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| What Happened With HitchensLefty blogs have the details of this wrong. I wasn't there. I was there, however, for the immediate after-action report, and have heard it told ten times by now, including most of it from Hitchens. Although I didn't really bother asking much, as I'd already heard it. Hitch and two others were out on some or such errand. One guy was just telling Hitchens that the Syrian Nazi party had little support in the country but was paid by Syria to kill people, and that he'd been told they're the one party you don't fuck with. So five minutes later they come across the poster for the Syrian Nazi Party on an abandoned bagel shop -- abandoned, if I had this right, after Hezballah had attacked it last year due to the overly Jewish connotations of bagelry. So Hitchens immediately takes out a pen and writes "No, no, Fuck You" on the poster. I don't know if he'd digested the story and decided to fuck with them anyway, or else he was just reacting to the modified swastika on the poster. Now, the Syrian Nazis are not popular and neighborhoods have tried to get their posters taken down. But then they threaten people and cause problems. So the state leaves them up. To avoid getting their posters defaced or torn down, they post a paid Nazi watcher to keep an eye on their posters. Well, when this Syrian Nazi goon saw Hitch do this, he confronted him and kinda-sorta attacked him. I say kinda sorta attacked, because what his main intent was was to delay Hitchens from leaving -- until the ten Nazi goons he had just texted on his cell phone could arrive. There was some kicking and pulling and hitting. Hitch and the others attempted to get into a cab -- the Syrian Nazi goon got right in the cab with them, still hitting Hitchens. They could not force him out. Eventually they all exited, and attempted to get a fresh cab, but other cabbies were now hip to the fact the Syrian Nazis had been riled and wanted no business from them, so two cabs passed refusing their fare. Now at this point the ten Nazi goons showed up (about five minutes into this-- they came quickly) and Hitch and the other two were probably going to get the crap beaten out of them, at best. However, they finally managed to get a cabbie who was either brave or didn't know the trouble he was getting into and got in, this time without the goon, and left the other ten behind. Now, as far as the damage Hitch suffered, it wasn't much. He did get some lumps -- a knock on the leg, a scrape on the face. And also his writing hand had been stomped on. He'd been roughed up a bit, but didn't have "the shit beaten out of him." If I hadn't been told the story I wouldn't have known he'd been fucked with at all. Apart from a bit of pain walking and some more pain typing, he was fine. So, that's the story. I was holding off on it until we were out of the country, but some rat we ran into apparently began blabbing it to his rat-like kin. And to be honest, I'm personally kinda sick of hearing it myself, and it felt like gossip, but as the early reports are wrong in the details, I'll have a go. It didn't happen in a bar. It happened mid-day on the street. It wasn't a drunken brawl. I have no idea if Hitchens had drank at all, but if he had, it was like his typical lunch-time bloody mary. (I'm not saying he didn't get drunk-- just not then.) And no one had the shit beaten out of him. The lefty bloggers saying they've "confirmed" this are apparently talking to people not in a position to confirm it at all.Re-Posted: I took this down but I see it's everywhere, including Forbes, so I guess I'm not protecting anything. I'm not confirming any other details though. Update: I got it a bit wrong on how much Hitchens had been roughed up and the exact sequence here. He had underplayed it, I guess. From another witness I got that he'd been roughed up more than he let on. First of all, there weren't ten goons, but around six. Second, the goon squad, and not just the look-out man, did in fact get to Hitchens. They knocked him down to the ground, kicked him while he was down, and stamped on his writing hand (which I'd known). I had thought they escaped the gang, but they didn't, not quite; they got roughed up by them before a cabbie got them away. Oh, and the errand they were on: Well, they were on their way to a bar. But they hadn't gotten there yet. It was about, oh, 3 or so in the afternoon. We had downtime between events (which were scheduled around the clock pretty much) and I guess they just wanted to check out a local watering hole. Here's what I know word-of-mouth about the Syrian Nazis: They're actual Nazis, first of all, having taken inspiration from Hitler and sporting a modified swastika on their posters and flags. They're a small party, I'm told. They had been banned years ago but are back, but not in force. There are about 300 of them (again, this is what I am told) and are more of a street-gang of bullyboys than an actual party. However, they have the backing of Syria, and they do, when called upon, murder people. CommentsPosted by: Techie at February 18, 2009 07:44 PM (906oR) 2
At that moment, Hitchens had more balls than sense. Glad he is OK.
Posted by: shibumi at February 18, 2009 07:46 PM (tZB/c) 3
Glad to hear everyone is okay.
Posted by: The Obvious at February 18, 2009 07:47 PM (1g+FW) 4
Thanks, Ace.
Posted by: Dr. Manhattan at February 18, 2009 07:47 PM (ycGdA) Posted by: Joliet Jake Blues at February 18, 2009 07:48 PM (eiOZw) 6
My kingdom for an MP-10..
Posted by: mikey at February 18, 2009 07:48 PM (fvlUJ) Posted by: Rocks at February 18, 2009 07:48 PM (3RHzM) 8
Hitchens? Yawns...
Posted by: JS at February 18, 2009 07:51 PM (HzzwH) 9
Heh, too bad. I'd sure like to hear from you when obnoxious Hitchy really gets beaten good.
Keep us posted. Posted by: Acula at February 18, 2009 07:52 PM (joo7e) 10
Glad to hear you're alright, Ace. Someone had a talk with Hitchens about not being in America, right?
Posted by: Methos at February 18, 2009 07:54 PM (BDHFy) 11
Let's see, what's the word I'm not looking for. Something between shit and syphilis.
Posted by: GarandFan at February 18, 2009 07:54 PM (237hA) 12
5, great minds in the same gutter.
Jake: I hate Illinois Syrian Nazis. Seriously, Syrian nazis? Are they Aryan somehow or did Schickelgruber take in camel-fuckers too? He was a wonderful dancer, though. Posted by: Elwood at February 18, 2009 07:56 PM (0ntTS) 13
Hmm, I figured that in todays age of tech that it takes a fair amount of time for this sort of thing to get squared away. While I appreciate the speed of today's blogs to post stuff thats important, I some time think there is a rush to a conclusion or bits of gosip sewn in to give it that edgy did you hear mantra that gets it picked up by others listening to the ground. This aspect seems to be one of them, and im sure with the power of sluthyness interweb tubes that it will be all sqaure tommorrow, or friday. Untill then reading these kinda meshed up stories which set off my spidy sense is just ackward gawking, as I need more time to formulate a plan to A: lock and load, or B: kill a hobo. Either way, im set untill more facts roll in. Good to hear that hes not too teribly injured tho. Posted by: sithson at February 18, 2009 08:00 PM (K1+tY) 14
Glad you and Hitch are OK.
Posted by: Ed at February 18, 2009 08:02 PM (eEeT8) 15
Good to go, basic literary liscense with Hitch, but it doesn't change the threat of the moment.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at February 18, 2009 08:07 PM (ul7te) 16
Keep your head on a swivel, Ace.
Posted by: harrison at February 18, 2009 08:08 PM (Gv4O0) 17
And remember, Always serpentine.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at February 18, 2009 08:12 PM (ul7te) 18
What? No ninja-like wicked Shaq-Fu? No Slicing like a fucking hammer? Ace didn't deliver a serious beatdown "with his mind"?
And here I was expecting stories about Ace returning, still having teeth embedded in his knuckles. Posted by: johnd01 at February 18, 2009 08:15 PM (sG3C/) Posted by: Andy at February 18, 2009 08:18 PM (B+HYX) 20
the angry arab(spit) thinks its funny
Posted by: charlestn at February 18, 2009 08:18 PM (96o0c) 21
And here I was expecting stories about Ace returning, still having teeth embedded in his knuckles. Ace ain't a brawler. A stealthly hobo slicer perhaps, but not a brawler. I'm not sayin' he's a pussy. If push came to shove, I'm sure at the end of the brawl, ace would still be supporting his team, with his teeth sunk into the calf of one of the opponents, gnawing and shaking like a little rat terrier, making those ferel sounds. Kinda like the ferel kid from the road warrior.
Posted by: Ed at February 18, 2009 08:23 PM (eEeT8) Posted by: Dan at February 18, 2009 08:23 PM (2sVai) 23
One guy was just telling Hitchens that the Syrian Nazi party had little
support in the country but was paid by Syria to kill people, and that
he'd been told they're the one party you don't fuck with.
.......but decided to fuck wit em' on their turf anyway.The Hitchmeister is allright in my book. Posted by: Blazer at February 18, 2009 08:24 PM (+FzLa) 24
Aw, Ace, why ruin all the fun with a decent report? I mean, who expects the truth, anyway? (glad all are safe & sound, though).
J Posted by: Jess at February 18, 2009 08:24 PM (8KLkZ) 25
Stay safe.
Posted by: TheBigOldDog at February 18, 2009 08:24 PM (hJsZx) 26
Yeah, that little ferel fucker's teeth were sharp. Posted by: Wez at February 18, 2009 08:24 PM (eEeT8) 27
To avoid getting their posters defaced or torn down, they post a paid Nazi watcher to keep an eye on their posters.
I read this, and the word "ambush" comes to mind. Just saying. K Posted by: Kestrel♠ at February 18, 2009 08:27 PM (8G9NO) 28
Came to add the "I hate Syrian nazis" but I see it's been done so I'll just say thanks for the update Ace, and stay safe out there! Also, what is the Syrian version of ValURite? And is it as tasty and effective?
Posted by: Zombie Flanders at February 18, 2009 08:28 PM (fRxw0) 29
One guy was just telling Hitchens that the Syrian Nazi party had little support in the country but was paid by Syria to kill people, and that he'd been told they're the one party you don't fuck with.
And so he responded with , "Oh yea? Well, fuck them and the camel they screwed on the way in." Good for him. Posted by: Benson at February 18, 2009 08:29 PM (qzcNU) 30
Damn Ace, the only thing missing in that story are HOBO's. Where are the motherfuckin' HOBO's??
Posted by: CDR M at February 18, 2009 08:30 PM (TJoU6) 31
Ace you were calling your girlfriend weren't you?
Interspecies sexual relations aren't kosher, especially when one of them is a furry extraterrestrial. Arcturian poontang excepted, of course. Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 18, 2009 08:32 PM (X1/sS) 32
no one had the shit beaten out of him
So the shit is still in yous then? Is Syrian sanitation that bad? Seriously, glad to hear all are ok and keep watching your ass. Posted by: Rocks at February 18, 2009 08:33 PM (3RHzM) 33
It's a good thing Ace was passed out on a stoop with a bottle of Valu-Rite next to a recently devoured Beirutian hobo carcass, or else he would of came at the Nazi's like a spider monkey.
Posted by: Blazer at February 18, 2009 08:33 PM (+FzLa) 34
Those Syrian Nazis will eventually die and have sex with Hitler
Posted by: Neo at February 18, 2009 08:35 PM (Yozw9) 35
Well Ace. Glad you werent there. Who knew that choking chewbacca while in Mos Eisley could save a life?
Posted by: A.G. at February 18, 2009 08:35 PM (JoIvi) 36
Hitch, Hitch, Hitch...
-10 for common sense +10,000 for sheer balls! I still don't like his positions on religion and take exception to some of his politics, but baiting Nazis (and Syrian Nazis to boot!) on their own turf seriously boosts my respect for the man. I'll never buy his books, but if I ever see him in town, I'll definitely buy him a beer! Posted by: Militant Bibliophile at February 18, 2009 08:36 PM (bl4xn) 37
Oh, come on, everybody! Syrian "Nazis?"
What's next, Gay Nazis from San Francisco, hoisting a Rainbow Swastika? Gimme a break... those guys probably just mistook Hitchens for a particularly fetching camel... Posted by: CoolCzech at February 18, 2009 08:38 PM (iafWn) Posted by: Blazer at February 18, 2009 08:40 PM (+FzLa) Posted by: JDW at February 18, 2009 08:40 PM (V8P5p) 40
The Nazi's were rather actively recruiting arabs into the SS.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at February 18, 2009 08:41 PM (ul7te) 41
Hitch is ten thousand times the man of any of those glib lefty cocksucking motherfuckers. Screw every last one of 'em.
Posted by: Purple Fury at February 18, 2009 08:41 PM (OV9He) 42
"no, no, fuck you" That should become an omnipresent post on lefty blogs. Right of center folks shouldn't bother responding to this or that at Kos or Huffpo. Just armies of people simply penning "no, no, fuck you." Posted by: JDW at February 18, 2009 08:43 PM (V8P5p) 43
This is horseshit Ace. I thought you guys were running an Ace O' Spades Lifestyle operation over there, but apparently you forgot to bring some serious shit kicers with you!? Dude. My job sucks. I would gladly take an unpaid position with your stupid press junket to have (read: make) the opportunity to impact-mold my fist into some Syrian-Nazi Party member faces. I'm sort of let down that someone in the party didn't at least attempt to brutally assault one of the offending party with a bottle of Valu-Rite vodka. Posted by: shank at February 18, 2009 08:43 PM (HfjkQ) 44
Well... at least he probably won't write a pathetic Fisk-type piece on how he deserved a beating from the brown people for being an oppressive white Brit.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 18, 2009 08:44 PM (PQY7w) 45
Yes real Syrian Nazis, not only that: some of them are real terrorists and terror sympathizers. In 1987 3 SSNP tried to smuggle a homemade bomb from Canada to Vermont, they got caught and got sentenced to 16 years. There are murders and kidnappings in their past as well. I'm very happy that all came out of this with minor injuries. If you look at SSNP's wiki page you can see their flag, it's red black and white, and has a stylized Swastika. They support a "Greater Syria" meaning Syria gets Lebanon, Israel and Jordan. They are also aligned with the Baathist thugs in Assad's regime. Posted by: Thanos at February 18, 2009 08:47 PM (nAw/5) 46
Part of me thinks it's awful that someone could be attacked for defacing a Nazi poster in this day and age. Another part is glad there are people willing to do this without a second's thought. Thank god for people like Hichens.
Posted by: Mycroft at February 18, 2009 08:52 PM (UHSh9) 47
Ace, I think you should feel DIRTY. You'll now a junket taking MSM blogger? WTF. I am so embarrassed. Our valu rite, hobo killing, Ace passing on gossip like a cheap NY Post page 6 whore? Come home! Kill some hobos and do penitence. This is NOT the "Hope and Change" I was expecting. Kemp PS did you find that 6 mill in gold that dumb fuck from CA left in Beruit? If so, all is forgiven! Posted by: kempermanx at February 18, 2009 08:53 PM (2+9Yx) 48
Mycroft, I'm not sure about thanking "God". It is Hitchens after all, and he would have no such thing. Posted by: JDW at February 18, 2009 08:53 PM (V8P5p) 49
In 1987 3 SSNP tried to smuggle a homemade bomb from Canada to Vermont, they got caught and got sentenced to 16 years.
How much of a doofus do you have to be to get caught smuggling a bomb over the Canada/Vermont border pre-9/11???? Back in 2000 you could drive across that border and just leave a note at the unmanned Border Patrol booth. I did it twice in a week, coming back into Burlington from Montreal. Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 18, 2009 08:56 PM (X1/sS) 50
Heh, nobody said Nazi terrorists are smart. (lucky for us)
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49" In 1987 3 SSNP tried to smuggle a homemade bomb from Canada to Vermont, they got caught and got sentenced to 16 years."
How much of a doofus do you have to be to get caught smuggling a bomb over the Canada/Vermont border pre-9/11???? Back in 2000 you could drive across that border and just leave a note at the unmanned Border Patrol booth. I did it twice in a week, coming back into Burlington from Montreal. I guess they figured a camel convoy wouldn't attract attention. Posted by: Rev. Al Sharpton at February 18, 2009 09:01 PM (iafWn) 55
Seriously, wasn't Ace supposed to be in Syria?? Nazi's in the middle east?? Christ, next thing you know Ace will have found the Lost Ark of the Unicorn.
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Posted by: remy hair at February 18, 2009 09:07 PM (+FzLa) Posted by: Tinian at February 18, 2009 09:11 PM (Ohodx) 58
"Seriously, Syrian nazis?"
The Syrian and Iraqi Baath parties were founded as explicitly fascist parties, in imitation of European fascist parties. The Arabs have a <i>major</i>infatuation with Nazis and fascism. We make jokes about Chris Matthews feeling a thrill run up his leg, but he has nothing on the Arabs. Posted by: pst314 at February 18, 2009 09:11 PM (XP0Bd) Posted by: Blazer at February 18, 2009 09:16 PM (+FzLa) 60
See, what Hitchens really needed was a lace wig to wear as a disguise while he wrote on the poster.
Posted by: Brendan at February 18, 2009 09:19 PM (saRwI) 61
Thanks for the update. It seems Hitchens had more balls than brains. After being told not to mess with Syrian Nazi, he decides to deface their poster. Admire his courage but not his sense. Perhaps Hitchens learned lesson. It is no more than he would get in the states messing with gangs. At least it was only pushing. hitting and kicking. In the states the gangs may have knives or guns. He was lucky. You know the old adage a conservative is a liberal mugged by reality. Maybe this will help Hitchens world view, but I doubt it. He was already mugged by 9-11 and that seemed to be enough to change his view, but I have detected a bit of slippage, probably by the influence of the vociferous anti Bush trash from the lefties in the last few years.
Posted by: RAH at February 18, 2009 09:19 PM (qy4sC) 62
Well, when this Syrian Nazi goon saw Hitch do this, he confronted him and kinda-sorta attacked him. I say kinda sorta attacked, because what his main intent was was to delay Hitchens from leaving -- until the ten Nazi goons he had just texted on his cell phone could arrive. Texting? Everyone knows that getting your peeps together for a serious beatdown requires twitter...Syrian Nazi terrorists are soooo lame. Posted by: Domme at February 18, 2009 09:20 PM (7gChS) 63
Did Hitchens have his valiant chimp bodyguard with him?
http://www.jokeroo.com/video/funny/karate-chimp.html Posted by: Rev. Al Sharpton at February 18, 2009 09:20 PM (iafWn) 64
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Part of me thinks it's awful that someone could be attacked for
defacing a Nazi poster in this day and age. Another part is glad there
are people willing to do this without a second's thought.
Mycroft, glad about the defacing part (yea), right? Not glad about the Nazi "people" willing to attack without a second thought (nay)! Camel-fuckers like those can't be sent to toss Der flatulent Fuhrer's salad soon enough. But he was a wonderful dancer, though windy. http://tinyurl.com/bmqwsl Posted by: Antun Sa'adeh at February 18, 2009 09:22 PM (0ntTS) 65
I hope the Syrians Nazis realize the Real Ones would have eventually turned them into shampoo to coordinate with their nice Jew Brand Soap...
Human stupidity never ceases to amaze me. And let's not forget that Latin America to this day has a thing for fascism... Posted by: Rev. Al Sharpton at February 18, 2009 09:23 PM (iafWn) Posted by: Blazer at February 18, 2009 09:25 PM (+FzLa) 67
Dammit, why wasn't Senator Jospeh "Titanium Balls" Biden there to protect the Hitch? Iron Balls Biden regularly flies ops in that part of the world, on choppers and stuff. Posted by: Senator, Advisor Rev. Dr. E. Buzz Miller at February 18, 2009 09:25 PM (cTHpq) 68
An anti-fascist atheist in the Middle East. What could go wrong?
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Just an opinion, but I think its probably when someone says not to fuck with nazis that you probably should.
Posted by: Evil midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight at February 18, 2009 09:27 PM (gIga4) 71
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Posted by: Blazer at February 18, 2009 09:28 PM (+FzLa) 72
Just an opinion, but I think its probably when someone says not to fuck with nazis that you probably should. Couldn't have put it better. And if nothing else, his... guts, i dunno... have given us a valuable, visceral insight. I don't like all of the guy's politics, but he's more or less honest about them, and seems to have the courage of his convictions. Posted by: jdub at February 18, 2009 09:32 PM (lWcpJ) Posted by: Senator, Advisor Rev. Dr. E. Buzz Miller at February 18, 2009 09:34 PM (cTHpq) 74
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Dammit, why wasn't Senator Jospeh "Titanium Balls" Biden there to protect the Hitch? Iron Balls Biden regularly flies ops in that part of the world, on choppers and stuff. Didn't Ol' Smokin' Joe just get gunned down in Connecticut for attacking a woman he mistook for an enemy operative? Posted by: CoolCzech at February 18, 2009 09:36 PM (iafWn) 75
First rule of dealing with punks is to send punk #1 to the ICU or morgue QUICKLY and do it like a batshit crazy muthafucker screaming "get some!, get some!" while you bash his head into a gooey mess with a brick. There's a universal cross-cultural taboo against fucking with (apparently) genuinely crazy people.
If you're not mentally prepared to administer that initial vicious beating to punk #1, then don't fuck with'em at all. This is where Hitch fucked up -- he wasn't "all in" on this deal when he defaced the sign. Posted by: Purple Avenger at February 18, 2009 09:39 PM (Ygf78) 76
Well, Ace, I'm really sorry that this shit happened. You got to go somewhere and learn about a situation, all grown-up and shit, and all anyone's talking about is a street brawl that you were NOT involved in. Great.
Posted by: MamaAJ at February 18, 2009 09:40 PM (X6Zdh) 77
So Hitch just gets told, you don't spit into the wind, you don't tug on Superman's cape, you don't pull the mask off the ol' Lone Ranger, and you don't fuck around with the Syrian Nazi Party.
And first chance he gets, he does exactly that? Something ain't right, in that guy's head. Posted by: UncleFacts at February 18, 2009 09:40 PM (M+Vfm) 78
I guess they figured a camel convoy wouldn't attract attention.
Yeah, shivering dromendaries trudging through the Vermont snow... Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 18, 2009 09:45 PM (MlEgW) 79
Liberal God are Not Great. Should have waterboarded him.
Posted by: sickinmass at February 18, 2009 09:45 PM (/i4dU) 80
Gotta admire Hitchens's stones, but Arab mobs are not exactly like Bill Maher's audience: yes, both are brimming with shit eating cretins, but the Arabs WILL fuck you up if you give them the chance. Thanks for the details, ace, now get on with the Lebanese babe photo posts. Posted by: UGAdawg at February 18, 2009 09:45 PM (MDHAs) 81
If only Senator Lt. Col. Joseph "Smokin" Biden was there to administer some punishment and violence in defense of the Hitchster. He could have flown in, in a "helo", with his crack team of squadrons. Like... Senator Crisp "Saw Operative" Whitmeyer, Lead Intangbile, Delta Company Senator Chilt "Knifetooth Bastard" Scotchston, Insurgent Force, Mallet Orange Senator Harry "Heavy Weight" Laser, Insertion Madre, Captian Bowl Company Senator Pat "The Irishman" O'Flannery-McMallory, Thrush Purple Force Posted by: Senator, Advisor Rev. Dr. E. Buzz Miller at February 18, 2009 09:46 PM (cTHpq) 82
Holy shit.
Posted by: American Glob at February 18, 2009 09:49 PM (f+gOj) 83
lepipe or knife.
Back when I was balsy enough to do shit like that, I either had an 18" piece of grounding rod, or one of my knives. Take a hit, it gets ugly, I'd go for lepipe like it was nothing. Posted by: Wickedpinto at February 18, 2009 09:52 PM (ul7te) 84
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The Nazi's were rather actively recruiting arabs into the SS.
Yep and the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem spent most of WWII in Nazi Germany. Fascism and jew hatred have been very popular in the arab world long before Israel ever appeared. Posted by: Mætenloch at February 18, 2009 09:53 PM (3v7aT) 85
. . . Perhaps Hitchens learned lesson. . . .Posted by: RAH at February 18, 2009 09:19 PM (qy4sC) Ever hear of Robert Fisk?Posted by: Tinian at February 18, 2009 09:54 PM (Ohodx) Posted by: Senator, Advisor Rev. Dr. E. Buzz Miller at February 18, 2009 09:57 PM (cTHpq) Posted by: Blazer at February 18, 2009 09:57 PM (+FzLa) 88
Couldn't have put it better. And if nothing else, his... guts, i dunno... have given us a valuable, visceral insight. I don't like all of the guy's politics, but he's more or less honest about them, and seems to have the courage of his convictions. Posted by: jdub jdub, I feel the same. Don't like a lot of what Hitchens believes but he sure has some cojones to do what he did. Posted by: Domme at February 18, 2009 09:58 PM (7gChS) Posted by: Rev. Al Sharpton at February 18, 2009 10:00 PM (iafWn) 90
One could not wish for better news upon returning from happy hour. Thanks for the clarification and I hope you are having a really interesting time over there, at the very least.
Love you, miss you!!!! Posted by: CB at February 18, 2009 10:02 PM (9Wv2j) 91
No! Syrian National Socialists used as hit men and enforcers by a Syrian Baathist regime?
Who woulda thunk? Good thing the Obama administration is hope and changing this axis of evil member into partners in the war on terror... Posted by: monkeyfan at February 18, 2009 10:04 PM (cEE8N) 92
I guess it's safe to say that the Syrian Nazi's never looked in the back of Hitlers diary on the reference page and looked up useful idiot's.
Posted by: Blazer at February 18, 2009 10:06 PM (+FzLa) 93
Wildly off topic, but Steve McIntyre's latest post at Climate Audit reports on an article co-authored by Ross McKitrick (co-debunker of the Hockey Stick) called Check the Numbers: The Case for Due Diligence in Policy Formation.
Two of the examples of bad stats cited (in addition to the Hockey Stick) are: (1) the 1992 Boston Fed "redlining" study that led to the Clinton administration's ramping up the Community Reinvestment Act, causing banks to begin handing out subprime mortgages like candy and (2) the 2000 Michael Bellesiles study that said gun ownership wasn't common in pre-Civil War America. Posted by: Andy at February 18, 2009 10:07 PM (B+HYX) 94
Hezbollah History X
Posted by: Blazer at February 18, 2009 10:08 PM (+FzLa) 95
Arabs don't fight fair. They have no Western concept of honor or fairness or proportionality. Knifing you in the back in a crowded theater is perfectly honorable for these people. So a gang beating is nothing. Hitch and friends were lucky the watcher wasn't armed.
Westerners need to understand that these fucking savages live in the 7th century, and a cowardly version of it, at least from our perspective. Posted by: NJconservative at February 18, 2009 10:10 PM (nwJit) 96
I only read the first few lines of Ace's post.
I don't care who you are, what you represent, or what your sacred intentions are. You will always lose when you deal with wild animals. The best recourse is preemptive destruction of their comfort zone. Why are westerners going into SHIRIA ? These people think we are dogs. That's the equivalent of the pot calling the kettle black. It's time to euthanize the sub humans, they are no different than a Bovine with Mad Cow disease. Leatherneck out Posted by: Leatherneck at February 18, 2009 10:13 PM (h2rx7) 97
If my old man told me once, he told me a thousand times -- don't deface posters plastered on abandoned bagel shops in neighborhoods overrun by Syrian Nazis.
And if you do, bring back-up. And have a cab waiting. He always used to say that. We always thought Dad was just fucking crazy, but now I see just how sane he was. (P.S. Jesus H. Christ, what a world we live in. Glad to hear everyone is still intact.) Posted by: Phinn at February 18, 2009 10:17 PM (X6sgq) Posted by: Wickedpinto at February 18, 2009 10:18 PM (ul7te) 99
OK, to those on the left who are confused--these were not Israelis roughing up Hitchens while he told the true story of the brave Intifada fighters.
Some of us still have the compass to figure out who the bad guys are. Said compass also acknowledges the existence of bad guys in general. P.S.: As Steely Dan sang, they gotta name for the winners in the world and it damn sure ain't "Nazis", though telling Arab Nazis apart from Baathists is tougher than the whole human/cylon thing. Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 18, 2009 10:18 PM (ZylhF) 100
"It's time to euthanize the sub humans, they are no different than a Bovine with Mad Cow disease." And remember to have your pet spayed and neutered! Posted by: Senator, Advisor Rev. Dr. E. Buzz Miller at February 18, 2009 10:20 PM (cTHpq) 101
Geez, Ace, why dindja just clock the guy with that bag full of recommended books you took on the trip? That thing must weigh a ton........Plus, Hitch, that's why you always carry a half-empty bottle of booze around; it doesn't break your heart so much when you have to label someone on the melon with it.
Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at February 18, 2009 10:22 PM (YdNzl) 102
Sgt Dan, good thought. My personal policy has been to hire guys with guns as drivers - and pay them by transferring cash into their kid's, who are going to American schools, bank accounts.
Nothing keeps your shit out of trouble like having a retired local secret police thug as your friend. Didn't I leave post on Ace's bon voyage thread about avoiding cabs - nothing but trouble. Hire some drivers for the duration, with the big payday coming when you are on the tarmac. Hitchens, found that fine line between bravado and stupidity. Hopefully his wisdom score went up a few points, not his hubris. Posted by: Jean at February 18, 2009 10:24 PM (xCBQ4) 103
Hmm. Ace's version sounds bogus.
I heard Hitch tried to hide from the Syrian Nazis in a big basket, but a Syrian Nazi monkey ratted him out. Ace tried to rescue Hitch by following Hitch's cries for help as he frantically ran through a maze of village streets. Ace dispatched a grinning sword master with a a gun and a clever snark, but mostly a gun. But, when Ace used his gun to stop a truck getting away with Hitch in the basket, the truck over turned and exploded. Posted by: eman at February 18, 2009 10:29 PM (ZsOIJ) 104
O/T: Is Anderson cooper actually trying to be a journalist tonight? What happened? Where is the real Anderson Cooper? I mean david gergen just said "are we having a full monn tonight?"
Posted by: oh oh at February 18, 2009 10:30 PM (zplc6) 105
Plus, Hitch, that's why you always carry a half-empty bottle of booze around; it doesn't break your heart so much when you have to label someone on the melon with it.
My God, it was a half bottle of booze for chrissakes,....... bollocks, .....get ahold of yourself man ! Posted by: Chris Hitchens at February 18, 2009 10:33 PM (+FzLa) Posted by: richard mcenroe at February 18, 2009 10:33 PM (aZbxf) 107
Arabs don't fight fair. They have no Western concept of honor or fairness or proportionality.
Leatherneck actually said this better, but once you are in a fight, "fair" is the first thing to go. It's not about being the "better" person. If it's a fight, fight dirty. It's about the win. And I'm a little tiny blonde chick . . . Posted by: CB at February 18, 2009 10:35 PM (9Wv2j) 108
Ace of Spades Liquor Store Employee Tip of the Day:
Try Carolans instead instead of Baileys in your next cocktail. Same Irish quality, fraction of the price. /sips his Red Label Posted by: Dr. Manhattan at February 18, 2009 10:46 PM (ycGdA) 109
Leatherneck actually said this better, but once you are in a fight, "fair" is the first thing to go.
Always cheat, always win. Anyone going into rough places needs to read the USMC rules for gunfighting. Even if you're not carrying, there's a lot of wisdom there. Hell, read 'em if you're just going down to the local Gelson's. It'll do wonders for you when fighting off the trophy wives for the last bag of organic apples. Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 18, 2009 10:49 PM (MlEgW) 110
Is Anderson cooper actually trying to be a journalist tonight?
I'll take "I don't fucking think so" for 400, Alex. Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 18, 2009 10:50 PM (ZylhF) 111
And I'm a little tiny blonde chick . . .
Posted by: CB at February 18, 2009 10:35 PM (9Wv2j) Sounds good to me. How about a date? Posted by: Tinian at February 18, 2009 10:53 PM (Ohodx) 112
Well, Ace, I'm really sorry that this shit happened. You got to go
somewhere and learn about a situation, all grown-up and shit, and all
anyone's talking about is a street brawl that you were NOT involved in.
Great.
Bwahahahahaaaa!!!!!! Posted by: Israeli Tank at February 18, 2009 10:57 PM (SeUhj) 113
are the Syrian Nazis some ultra right wing party ?
Posted by: John ryan at February 18, 2009 10:58 PM (LHCAa) 114
Ace,
Glad to see the doctoral level course in international hobo hunting included a guest lecture on how to piss off a Syrian Nazi. Here I was fearing the trip would be nothing more than Hitch bitching at some poor waiter for daring to serve a chilled red wine. Continue to represent moron nation with pride. Posted by: Kevin in ABQ at February 18, 2009 10:58 PM (Qd57B) 115
I, too, hate Syrian bagel shop poster placing Nazis and their paid poster-watching lackeys!
Stay safe, Ace. Posted by: SamIam at February 18, 2009 11:00 PM (jl7C/) 116
" Is Anderson cooper actually trying to be a journalist tonight?" Is he covering little black babies in distress that he can hold and get nice little photo-ops while they cling to him? Posted by: Senator, Advisor Rev. Dr. E. Buzz Miller at February 18, 2009 11:01 PM (cTHpq) 117
I'm wondering if it had been Andrew Sullivan instead of Hitch, would the guy have been as aggro...considering those muscular glutes and all.
But one has to think these Syrian Nazis (WTF) must be a pretty sizeable organization if one guy's job is to stand in the shadows and guard a poster. Posted by: PC14 at February 18, 2009 11:03 PM (sasV9) 118
And I'm a little tiny blonde chick . . .
Perfect. I won't have to take the golf bag out of the trunk when I stuff you in it. Posted by: Chris Hitchens at February 18, 2009 11:04 PM (+FzLa) 119
>>But one has to think these Syrian Nazis (WTF) must be a pretty sizeable
organization if one guy's job is to stand in the shadows and guard a
poster.
Community organizing Syrian Style Posted by: sickinmass at February 18, 2009 11:13 PM (/i4dU) 120
Were they threatening to waterboard him? Posted by: andycanuck at February 18, 2009 11:13 PM (TpHGM) Posted by: eric holder at February 18, 2009 11:17 PM (TpHGM) 122
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" Is Anderson cooper actually trying to be a journalist tonight?" Is he covering little black babies in distress that he can hold and get nice little photo-ops while they cling to him? Posted by: Senator, Advisor Rev. Dr. E. Buzz Miller at February 18, 2009 11:01 PM (cTHpq)" No, he started out well and then it deteriorated. Of course they discussed the AG's remarks and this very erudite black man was on the program with another black man and david gergen. Suffice it to say, people in the comments were accsing the black man in the middle, the erudite one, of needing a reminder of the fact that he is black. The sad part is the guy was genuine and sincere but he wasn't spouting the message that a black man was supposed to be spouting so the audience and those in the studio tried to marginalize him. It was sad to watch. Posted by: oh oh at February 18, 2009 11:19 PM (zplc6) 123
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Leatherneck actually said this better, but once you are in a fight, "fair" is the first thing to go.
Always cheat, always win. Anyone going into rough places needs to read the USMC rules for gunfighting. Even if you're not carrying, there's a lot of wisdom there. I love the Naval Rules for Gun fighting: 1. Go to Sea 2. Send the Marines 3. Drink CoffeeGod Bless the US Marines. Posted by: MikeH at February 18, 2009 11:20 PM (1V2sa) 124
The three rules for living in Lebanon are never eat at a restaurant called Saddam's, never play poker with a man named Mustapha, and never deface a poster put up by the Syrian Nazis.
Posted by: Jack Bauer's Evil Brother at February 18, 2009 11:21 PM (2gNUq) 125
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And I'm a little tiny blonde chick . . .
Perfect. I won't have to take the golf bag out of the trunk when I stuff you in it.
Posted by: Chris Hitchens at February 18, 2009 11:04 PM (+FzLa) I'm here to help, man. Any way I can. No bitch-slapping. Promise. Posted by: CB at February 18, 2009 11:24 PM (9Wv2j) 126
Hitch, you were asking for it and I love ya for it. Now don't do it again and don't write a column like that Fisk twat about how it was all your fault. Silly honky.
Posted by: Fortunata at February 18, 2009 11:33 PM (P1A5m) 127
The three rules for living in Lebanon are never eat at a restaurant called Saddam's, never play poker with a man named Mustapha, and never deface a poster put up by the Syrian Nazis. And don't name your goat "Sue" unless you want him to grow up being the toughest Lebanese goat you've ever seen. (Or the most worn-out one.) Posted by: andycanuck at February 18, 2009 11:35 PM (TpHGM) 128
gald he's ok, but the beating reminds me of when Hitchens got his ass handed to him by Dinesh Posted by: ugly kid joe at February 18, 2009 11:44 PM (Lbpwj) 129
Hitch being beaten stupid by michelle is better, but she's less entertaining than him.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at February 19, 2009 12:00 AM (ul7te) 130
Watching Hitch get his nads waxed would be more entertaining, but also more nauseating. Get that Vanity Fair? Where's the beef, Christopher , sweetie?
Posted by: Fortunata at February 19, 2009 12:11 AM (P1A5m) 131
Hitchens is a lefty doofus and a drunken reprobate, but he's got guts and I admire him for his unrelenting stance on liberty.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 19, 2009 12:52 AM (PQY7w) 132
Ace is in Lebanon?
Posted by: Kevin at February 19, 2009 01:09 AM (CU2xx) 133
The forest moon Lebanon.
Posted by: oblig. at February 19, 2009 01:53 AM (Hc34T) 134
BTW, if that photo at HotAir really is of Ace, then nice teeth, Ace. Does Valu-Rite Vodka include a whitening agent? Posted by: andycanuck at February 19, 2009 01:59 AM (TpHGM) 135
In 1987 3 SSNP tried to smuggle a homemade bomb from Canada to Vermont, they got caught and got sentenced to 16 years.
How stupid do you have to be to get caught at the least guarded border on the planet?
Posted by: Seerak at February 19, 2009 02:25 AM (NZbNo) 136
Hitch sure hates him some Nazis. It's his one redeeming trait. Oh, and he knows real nazis when he sees 'em. Posted by: Ronsonic at February 19, 2009 03:06 AM (ywSvi) 137
I hope Hitchens is in pain. The key to this is in the statement “Hitch and two others…”. From the description it appears that he took it upon himself to deface this poster knowing that even the local government was scared to fuck with it. That should have told him something right there. Ace didn’t say anything about the other two people so I am assuming that they were not involved with defacing the poster. So Hitch marches in where angels fear to tread and invites a reprisal. That’s all well and good for him being “stupid-brave” but what about the other two people with him.
The reason this story stirs me up is because a similar thing happened to me once when I was in the Navy. We used to have this one trouble making fucker we called Okie (for obvious reasons). At any rate he liked to get into fights and when we went out steaming he went with us it seemed like we were always in a fight or dodging one.
To make a long story short one night we finished up a nice round of drunken debauchery and headed back to the pier. The ship was anchored out in the bay because there was no room at the piers. When we got to the pier we find that there are about 25 or so blacks waiting on one of the P-Boats and one officer who is in charge of the pier and the operation. The blacks are doing something or other that this Okie fucker find offensive and he precedes to start stirring the pot.
I pulled him aside by the collar and told him to shut his stupid dumb fuck mouth or I would leave his drunken ass on the pier by himself. The officer came out of his shack and asked me if I could control the idiot or did he need to call the AP. Anyway between the two of us we got the idiot to shut up and avoided being beaten to death.
Now if there had only been 4 or 5 of them and 4 or 5 of us maybe it would have been different but stupid is stupid. That was the last time I ever went anywhere with that idiot. Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2009 04:01 AM (f6os6) Posted by: Paranoid Polly at February 19, 2009 04:17 AM (YLNjm) Posted by: payaso at February 19, 2009 05:06 AM (OmyjM) 140
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Posted by: aaabs at February 19, 2009 05:39 AM (QOA2y) 141
This makes me wonder. At the end of WWII I'm sure there was some paperwork signed to the effect that it was no longer open season on hostile Germans. But did we specify that Nazis are no longer fair game?
I've always felt it there should be an eternal state of official hostilities with anyone claiming to be an active Nazi. Americans should be able to gun down such persons at will. As long as there are people who think it's cool to be a Nazi, it should also be cool to plug 'em. Posted by: epobirs at February 19, 2009 05:53 AM (xwSPs) 142
@139: I thought there were Nazis broadcasting on satelite radio. Shows how little b.
Posted by: CoolCzech at February 19, 2009 06:24 AM (iafWn) 143
Shirley we can't take these Nazis
Syriously! Posted by: CoolCzech at February 19, 2009 06:26 AM (iafWn) 144
are the Syrian Nazis some ultra right wing party ? They are a genetic experiment gone horribly wrong. German scientists were trying to create the perfect soldier for desert warfare by crossbreeding Aryan supermen with camels. Either that or some of Rommel's troops were very lonely back in the 1940's. Posted by: payaso at February 19, 2009 07:05 AM (OmyjM) 145
Hitch is a real street fighten man!
But I could he could kick Mother Theresa's ass!! (fuck Hitch...is this guy suddenly on our side or something? The prick supported the war on Iraq..high fives all around...but he deserves to have his ass stomped!) Posted by: TA at February 19, 2009 07:20 AM (AQj/2) 146
'Course the leftys are all rooting for the Nazis in this one. Classy!
Posted by: SGT Ted at February 19, 2009 07:39 AM (PdOj3) 147
BTW, if that photo at HotAir really is of Ace, then nice teeth, Ace. I don't think that's Ace, I think it's Hitchens making a face. Ace looks kinda cute and cuddly, like an Ewok. Posted by: estee at February 19, 2009 07:44 AM (xlYqZ) 148
American hobos = hide behind dumpsters, you hunt them. Syrian hobos = advertise on posters, they hunt you. Stay safe, Ace. Posted by: BackwardsBoy at February 19, 2009 07:53 AM (ZGhSv) Posted by: Phinnkoff Smirnoff at February 19, 2009 07:59 AM (X6sgq) 150
Glad to hear youre ok Ace. I hope Hitchens recovers quickly and fully.
Posted by: Mark at February 19, 2009 07:59 AM (fQWKI) 151
I wonder if the Godless rotund fucker was yelling out Hail Mary's as the Nazi idiots were kicking him in the vagina?
Posted by: Mr. Pissed at February 19, 2009 08:06 AM (KZKfb) 152
epobirs,
From my understanding, the Nazis "officially ended" when Germany surrendered and we executed a lot of their leadership and after mopping up a few pocket groups (the Werewolves, for example). Any Nazis thereafter were then Neo-Nazis. OOOOOOOOO, NUANCE. Personally, I don't see a difference. Posted by: Ranba Ral at February 19, 2009 08:08 AM (VNi6L) 153
I agree with Vic - way to fuck over the people you're with, asshole. God knows Hitch's flabby ass isn't going to be any help fighting off the assbeating he brought down on the entire group.
An ex-friend of mine got us in a fight with some skinheads at Mardi Gras when he poked one of them in the forehead with a finger and called him a "fat fuck." His entire contribution to the fight was to polish their Doc Martens with his ribs while the rest of us did the heavy lifting. This isn't America, asshole. The cops may not be coming to bail your ass out. In fact, they may not come at all, or if they do come, may toss YOUR ass in the hoosegow because you're the foreigner. Have some fucking sense when you travel. Keep a low profile and practice some fucking situational awareness. Put your ass on the line if you want, but don't presume to put everyone else's ass on the line without asking, you juicy soft-ass bitch. Posted by: Empire of Jeff at February 19, 2009 09:23 AM (xGIqT) 154
Drunk, fat, asshole, atheist COMMUNIST talks shit, tries to run away and gets stomped.
But said cowardly asshole supported war on Iraq. SO...Yay Hitch! We support you! Or something... Karl Rove? Are you out there? What right-o-sphere's Party Line on this? We are Hitch's buddy right, even though he would probably shit on our grandma's head if it got him media attention? Posted by: Confused on Party Line at February 19, 2009 09:38 AM (AQj/2) 155
Any hot Lebanese chicks so far?
Posted by: EC at February 19, 2009 09:40 AM (mAhn3) 156
They had been banned years ago but are back, but not in force. There
are about 300 of them (again, this is what I am told) and are more of a
street-gang of bullyboys than an actual party.
Sounds a lot like Hitler's SA. Posted by: ol-dirty-/b/tard at February 19, 2009 10:19 AM (IoUF1) 157
Well, Hitchens has proved he can walk his talk, anyway. Brass ones, for sure. Good thing he messed with the Syrian Nazis, since unlike Hezbollah they were too stupid to bring a gun to a fist fight. I am definitely looking forward to the next Totten and Hitchens columns.
Yeah, yeah, you console cowboys talkin' tough about stompin'/shootin' people who give ya 'tude, and then bitching out Hitchens when he takes a stand on a real case of 'tude. Sometimes standing up for what's right involves taking a beating. Just as long as you can do some back, eh Hitch? PS #99, I think the more relevant Steely Dan song for the occasion would be "Third World Man" or "Don't Take Me Alive". Posted by: exdem13 at February 19, 2009 10:36 AM (lYKj1) 158
Ace, You're smack dab in the middle of Islamofascist territory. You've got a fucking target on your chest, for christ sakes. None of this shit should surprise anyone. Posted by: sfc mac at February 19, 2009 10:43 AM (kNmyI) 159
Next stop: Peru, to go fuck with the Shining Path. After that, El Salvador and the MS13. A good rule of thumb is when in a foreign country, keep it cool. Glad everyone's okay.
Posted by: SalvucciFumbles at February 19, 2009 10:55 AM (n+wyB) 160
exdem13 at February 19, 2009 10:36 AM (lYKj1) Hitchen's should display is 'tude when it doesn't put other people in danger otherwise he is just displaying his 'tard. Posted by: polynikes at February 19, 2009 11:31 AM (m2CN7) Posted by: jcjimi at February 19, 2009 11:48 AM (mcN0K) 162
I'm glad Ace was not involved in this incident. I guess it pays to be off trolling for hobos... ;-)
I really fail to see the heroism in what Hitch did and think it's pretty ironic that a writer, of all people, would choose defacing a poster, irrespective of how repulsive its message, as his means of expression. It's not like the guy stood up to a gang of thugs who were in the throes of attacking someone. He picked a fight while a visitor in a foreign country with one thug, then reaped the consequences when that guy's running buddies showed up. And, has others have pointed out, he put his colleagues in danger in the process. Acting surprised or indignant that a bunch of thugs followed their nature, particularly when you are a visitor on their turf, is silly, frankly. Some hero. Nazis suck ass, but there are much more effective ways of addressing that issue. Posted by: Y-not at February 19, 2009 11:58 AM (aGyOp) 163
Glad you made it back.
I read in a Guardian article that y'all were rolling with the socialists? It's just a good reminder that things aren't so black and white in this world. I used to hate Che, until some of my Jewish friends pointed out that he was often fighting against South American Nazis, and, so, while he might not have been all that good... he was a lot better than the people who killed him. I suppose the same goes for Hitch and the Lebanese Socialists. Well, in any case, glad you are safe. Posted by: bt at February 19, 2009 01:16 PM (1WdUw) 164
Why are people blaming Hitchens for doing what he did? I mean, whenever I see nazi stuff or really any racist stuff.... I put my own message up. I mean, it might not be street smart, but it's certainly laudable as far as gestures go. Nazis are just plain punks. And it doesn't really matter if Hitch is an atheist or whatever.
Last time I was cornered by Neo-Nazis, I just ran like hell. I didn't tell them off. But, really, I probably should have. Posted by: bt at February 19, 2009 01:22 PM (1WdUw) 165
"I used to hate Che, until some of my Jewish friends pointed out that he was often fighting against South American Nazis"
STALIN ALSO FOUGHT THE NAZIS. That is why Stalin was a swell guy, right? (Your friend is a R-E-T-A-R-D) Posted by: Che still sucks at February 19, 2009 01:42 PM (AQj/2) 166
"Hitchens has different opinions on religion and politics than I do so I'm glad he got beat up! I only like him when his politics agree with mine!" Whiny-ass bunch'a girls. Posted by: ushie at February 19, 2009 02:07 PM (1kwr2) 167
I'll take Hitchens over Syrian Nazis any day.
And I'll take Che over South American Nazis. And, if you remember history, the United States chose Stalin over the German Nazis. (Even if it was only a temporary arrangement.) Stalin wasn't a good guy, but given the particulars of the situation, I think it was the right thing to do. And, the way you talk, I don't know why you are referring to yourself as my "friend." But I am glad that you are aware of your intellectual limitations... and I suppose it is courteous of you to identify your status in all caps. I'll make sure to explain things to you in simple terms that you can understand. Posted by: bt at February 19, 2009 02:15 PM (1WdUw) 168
"Seriously, Syrian nazis?" That's a crock of shit. The Syrian and Iraqi Ba'ath Parties were/are both socialist parties. That's why both countries were Soviet client states back in the day. It's also why the lefties spread around this dezinformatsia about the Ba'athists being "fascists", as opposed to the leftwingnut fascists they really are. Posted by: Cave Bear at February 19, 2009 02:20 PM (EKMxC) 169
Yeah, I don't know much about the baroque character of Syria's political system, but my hunch is that any "relationship" between Syrian Nazis and the Syrian Baathists is a recent development, if any such relationship exists at all.
Historically, the Baathists, as Cave Bear has pointed out, have been more closely affiliated to commies... and though they are also totalitarians... I could see some ideological conflicts with Nazis. Posted by: bt at February 19, 2009 02:26 PM (1WdUw) 170
I don't think that's Ace, I think it's Hitchens making a face. Mabye it's not Ace, but I refuse to believe that any Briton, even one who's been in the U.S. for the past 20 years, has teeth that good. Maybe it's the photo that came with the frame? Posted by: andycanuck at February 19, 2009 03:36 PM (TpHGM) 171
"And, if you remember history, the United States chose Stalin over the German Nazis. "
Stalin murdered ONE HUNDRED MILLION vs.12 million. How about that scoreboard! You can stick Che, Stalin, Hitler and Che up your ass. Fuck all socialists, national (nazi) or international (like Hitch). They all deserve beat-downs. Posted by: FK Che at February 19, 2009 04:19 PM (AQj/2) 172
Amen.
Posted by: monkeyfan at February 19, 2009 04:46 PM (cEE8N) 173
I'm pretty sure they are NOT Aryans... The Persian are Aryans, but Syrians are just Arabs - no different from Lebanese, Iraqi, Jordan, Yemeni or Iraqi (it was only after the Ottomans fell and the Brits & Friends started drawing lines and creating these artificial nations that they became 'Syrians', 'Jordanians', 'Yemenis'....Makes you wonder what the heck the "Palestinians" are on about, considering they already have SEVERAL HOMELANDS (again 99% of the midEast carved into new Arab lands post 1900s) Of course, the link between Nazism & Arabia is nothing new. The Grand Mufti GREATLY admired Hitler. He so supported the "man" that he met and praised Hitler MANY YEARS BEFORE THE STATE OF ISRAEL WAS REfounded in 48. I also believe (on this 1 I am not 100% sure) that Baathism (party of S.Hussein & Asad) traces idealogical roots to nazism... Not sure about that one though. Posted by: winter at February 19, 2009 08:02 PM (+Z1kU) 174
"The Syrian and Iraqi Ba'ath Parties were/are both socialist parties" ------ I'm no fan of socialism/communism. They are a lot of things, one thing they are MOST DEFINITELY NOT are Socialists. I don't care if they even call themselves socialists, there is no division of wealth, no power of the people, nothing but totalitarian rule. It's the same story as much of the Middle East - the richest nations in the world with the poorest, most illiterate, despondent, persecuted people in the world. And as their leaders continue to squander THEIR wealth and control every part of the peoples lives (esp education) these people look to mythical scapegoats. As their leaders live in lavish castles, and revise history the people blame all of their woes on Israel & America. (America being the greatest provider of aid in the world, and the greatest protector of Muslims in teh world (Somalia, Kosovo, Iraq, Saudi Arabia); Israel being the only place in the Middle East where Arabs can vote, sit in parliament (they do), sit on Supreme Court (1 Israeli arab did) and of course: have freedom of religion, sexuality, speech and association...) I digress: They may be tyranical, dictators - but socialists they are not (they don't spend money on anyone but themselves, that's NOT socialism, it's not even "Soviet socialism") Posted by: winter at February 19, 2009 08:11 PM (+Z1kU) 175
Now if only we could get David Mamet to go to Lebanon...
Posted by: NYC lefty at February 19, 2009 08:16 PM (yIy7z) 176
My Trip to Lebanon
by Ace The arab chicks are actually hot when they wear skimpy dresses. Not everybody there hates jews. Chris Hitchens didn't really get his ass kicked. Wait, the lefty blogs are basically right. Hitch got his ass kicked. The end. Posted by: ergastularius at February 19, 2009 08:44 PM (lBfuF) 177
Too bad they didn't really beat the shit out of Hitchens.
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Such a success this kind of attitude has been for Lebanon and Syria - third world shitholes - they really do get the government they deserve. Hitch comes home to the USA and the goons get ........ Third world shithole , richly deserved.
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