1 Clearly they need a bailout. Will a billion suffice? Nah, let's make it two just to be safe.

Or alternatively, we could just disband the whole fucking thing and let the private sector do it.

2 What an awesome deal the postal service has. It's a lot like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in that it gets to electively function like a private sector business or a goverment entity to suit the needs of the moment.

3 Bonuses and corporate airplanes for me, but not for thee.

We are officially serfs living in a socialist monarchy.

Life sucks, then you flee to Canada, even though you'd never, ever thought you would entertain a crazy idea like that.

O' Canada  -  where I can escape the socialist revolution birth pangs since you've already fallen, O' Canada!

4

Only the government could fuck up delivering the mail.

5 Wow, and I thought that mail delivery was a function that the Government was supposed to have down pat.

6
I bet one of those perks is getting a fucking sweet little white jeep to cruise his ass around.  How awesome would that be?  Going through peoples personal shit?  How much is that worth?  A lot.  That's how much.  Old school porn mags there for the taking.  Who's gonna call the Post Office and ask where their latest edition of Sun Tanned Tits,  or Prison Skank is?  Not me.  "Working" the front counter would be fun.  Doing that slow motion walk,  acting like you're pushing buttons that actually do something on that old Commodore 64 "remote data entry station",  telling the customer you'll be right back before retiring to the back for a few Zs - all perks.  All.  Hard to put a price on that shit.

7 Newman!

8 Well see what happens when you want government to do a bunch of things it has no business doing? It can't do those things it is supposed to be doing anymore. I expect that the next things to suffer (even more, that is) will be the military and the national road system. I was wrong -- we're not going back to the Seventies, we're going back to the Thirties. I hate Art Deco almost as much as I hate disco and platform shoes.

9 Neither rain nor sleet nor snow....fuck that, where's my cuppa coffee?

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Newman: Work? It's raining!
George: So?
Newman: I called in sick. I don't work in the rain!
George: You don't work in the rain? You're a mailman! "Neither rain nor sleet nor..." It's the first one!
Newman: I was never that big on creeds.

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For all of you civilians commenting at this site, it's like this... A herd of buffalo can only move as fast as the slowest buffalo and when the herd is hunted, it is the slowest and weakest ones at the back that are killed first. This natural selection is good for the herd as a whole, because the general speed and health of the whole group keeps improving by the regular killing of the weakest members. In much the same way, the human brain can only operate as fast as the slowest brain cells. Now, as we know, excessive drinking of alcohol kills brain cells. But naturally, it attacks the slowest and weakest brain cells first. In this way, regular consumption of beer eliminates the weaker brain cells, making the brain a faster and more efficient machine. And that is why you always feel smarter after a few beers.

12 Interestingly enough, the guy actually looks kinda like a fat, mustache-free Cliff Clavin.

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It's a little known fact, jakeman, that the extra pay and extra fat help keeps the bureaucrat warm during winter, especially during recessions.

14 Fastest way for the Post Office to reduce payroll without layoffs:

Eliminate Anger Management seminars and allow carry and conceal for the postal workers

15 Get ready for them to come after your email.  Seriously.

16 I'm just wondering why the $500,000 pay limit doesn't apply to this clown.

17 Do you like golf, Mr Kramer?

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18 HOLD THE PHONE!!!

I thought that any business receiving taxpayer funds was to force all pwople in said firm to work for less than 500,000. 

I know, I know unless you work for the government then all bets on sky high salary and perk packages are okey-dokey.  BTW, how much did the private jets of Obama cost us for the little jaunt to chicago denver phoeinix cost the taxpayer that is paying the way?

19 Lysander Spooner FTW!

20 The USPS does not receive "taxpayer funds". It operates on revenue generated through postage and fees. If you could show me where the money goes from the government to the Post Office, I'd be interested in seeing it. As a former mailman (10.5 years in Minneapolis and its suburbs), I can say that most of the PO's problems come form a bloated middle management that micromanges workers to ridiculous levels. Many people asked me why I didn't go into management, especially with my foot problems (don't get me started about government worker's comp). I would always tell them I didn't want to become a person I didn't like, forced to impose stupid rules that on the surface were supposed to enhance productivity (designed by those who had never done the job, of course), but instead sapped morale.

21 As of 2006, the City of Palo Alto, with a population of 60,000, had six employees of its own earning over $200k and more than 300 employees earning over $100k.

The USPS, an incredible operation, has only *five* guys earning a quarter mil? That's a steal.

22

hey maybe open heart surgery is easier then delivering a fucking birthday card.

23 There are private sector equivalents to the Postmaster General.  The CEO of Federal Express had a fiscal year 2009 base salary of $1.48 million, not including bonuses, benefits and perks.  It sounds like the Postmaster General may be slightly underpaid compared to his peers.

24 Yes, and today I stood in line at the post office - on a Tuesday after a federal holiday, which if you go to the post office as often as I do, you know how bad that is - and there was just one clerk at the counter the whole fucking time I was there.  Add to that the inefficiency introduced when half the customers want to bullshit about anything and everything other than the business at hand.

25 If he gets a bailout from Congress won't the Postmaster be limited to like 400,000 in salary?

26 "And he gets compensated (if the Washington Times is correct) $800,000 in pay, benefits, and perks."

Has the Washington Times so little credibility that they merit such caveats?  Yes, they're owned by a kook, but the paper itself seems pretty credible.

27

JF Not K, good luck. I hope this thread runs all night so you can get a good look at how little people know about postal operations, or give a shit. The rural guys used to have a little joke: It doesn't matter if the customer just got his taxes audited, or his disability turned down, or his draft notice--you're the only federal agent he's going to see this week, so you're the Government to him.

Everybody, when you've shot your wad and the spooge is dry, come back and let a couple of veterans put you some information about the largest single venture on the planet.

And hey, my mailman is so slow...

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@20  The USPS does not receive "taxpayer funds". 

 especially with my foot problems (don't get me started about government worker's comp).

 

hmmm.... not taxpayer funded, yet it's a government job... I'm gonna need a little help with that.

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@23 The CEO of Federal Express had a fiscal year 2009 base salary of $1.48 million, not including bonuses, benefits and perks.  It sounds like the Postmaster General may be slightly underpaid compared to his peers.

 

Does Fed-x lose $2B a year?  If it did, that CEO would be drawing a base salary of whatever unemployment pays.

30 The Unicorn Express is the reason why my mortgage bailout voucher hasn't arrived.

31 And why not salary caps?

32 I'm sorry, am I the only laughing my ass off that we have a "Postmaster General"? How teh ghey...

33 John FN Kerry...   Receiving Federal benefits and being subject to a Federally-created and protected monopoly that creates artificially high wages and prices at the expense of the consumer IS a Federal benefit. It's just more direct than seizing the money in collected taxes and then giving it to the USPO.

But don't feel too bad. We in the private sector know it's nice to have a place for workers to go that otherwise couldn't hack it in the real world. We know who the real servants are and it sure ain't the public ones.

34 Why compare the Postmaster General's salary to Obie's? The PG has to oversee a massive organization, while Rainbow Britches is receiving on the job training.

35

If you people using the four letter words and the childish crap really have an interest in" how stuff works" remember the name Regan and Bush!  These were people headed in the direction of privatizing the Postal Service took the PO off budget in hopes of killing it?  However, the PO managed to survive and has paid for it self ever since (try this with NASA).  That did not work so they GU then required the PO had to pay 10 years ahead for its retired employees medical funds, 10 YEARS.   Who else does this---U GOT IT--NO ONE__NO ONE--.  Yet until the rest of this mindless mismanagement of the rest of our goverment Sh-- hit the fan the PO still survived.  *****The finicial industry just SUCKED----SUCKED Americans DRY and no one responsible for looking after us to avoid that is either fired or jailed and you people are crying about the Post Office. 

When the hell are You People Going To Wake UP.

Why are you paying for AIG, Leiman Brothers, B of A to purchase another bank, mortage lenders who gave adjustable rates to people of whom 65% qualified for regular loans. 

1.  LOOK AT C-SPAN

2. THINK PEOPLE****OUR FINICIAL INDUSTRY DID NOT JUST COLLASPE***PEOPLE WERE DOING WRONG*** AND THEY WILL BARLEY SKIP A BEAT***WHILE YOU CAN NOT BORROW A DIME THE CREDIT CARD COMPANY WILL USE YOUR MONEY FOR FIVE % AND CHARGE YOU 9%-29% TO USE IT ON YOU CREDIT CARD.

ANY YOU ARE WORRIED ABOUT THE DAM POSTMASTER GENERAL

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@35  If you people using the four letter words and the childish crap

 

dude.  I'd rather read the four letter words than your all caps screaming.  Also, using dashes in place of the last to letters in shit does not mean you didn't just say shit.

37 "And hey, my mailman is so slow..."

Mine have been thieves.  I have learned that if I don't insure a package (and get that stamp on it), consider it stolen.  Guaranteed.

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Good.  Now I won't have to haul myself out to the mail box on Saturday to see if another set of bills came in.

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Let's hope.  But based on how bank execs are paid to run shit into the ground I'm starting to wonder.  Not to mention most auto industry execs.  Then they come hat in hand to the government to get us (taxpayers) to pay for their incompetence (largely encouraged/abetted by the government, of course) and expect to continue to get a 7 digit annual salary as a reward for outright failure.  Then we have folks complain that if those bailed out walking-dead banks can't pay absurdly high dollars then they'll be forced to make due with "lesser minds."  Yeah, right.  Heaven knows there's no bright guys out there willing to do the work for a measly half mill a year.  People who can run banks are just so damn rare.  I think a little fresh blood would do more good than harm when the odds of successfully reviving these screwed up banks is already close to zero.

Anyway, as annoying as that huge pay number is, I'm thinking that our over paid postmaster is the least of our problems. 

My only real complaint against the post office (unless they've been intentionally losing my mail) is that they are protected from competition.  That's why the bozos in management are able to get away with "managing" it into the ground.  I've known postal workers who were fully aware of how good they had it and worked to do a good job, but were still driven to distraction by the number of counter productive and outright stupid things that their managers forced down on them.  If the PO was forced to become genuinely efficient or die out, then they'd have to get serious.

40

HatlessHessian,

If you knew how to read, I did say that I had left the Post Office. Also, if you think carrying mail is easy, I challenge you to spend 6 hours a day in subzero weather while carrying mail, avoiding falling on your ass on the ice and snow, and not getting frostbite, in Minneapolis. I did that for 10 f'ing winters. My ankle is permanently damaged. The so-called "real world" has been somewhat of a refuge for me, although I do miss carrying the mail in the summer. Maybe you live in a nice warm climate and have lazy mailmen, but be careful about painting groups of people with such a broad brush. With the POS management the Post Office has had for years, the letter carriers are the only thing that has kept it from sinking.

41 Not yet, JF not K. Their spooge hasn't dried. Let them wallow a while more.

42 I'm willing to fuck up the post office for only $200,000/yr - a bargain at twice the price.

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42 I'm willing to fuck up the post office for only $200,000/yr - a bargain at twice the price.

Hell I'll do it for free, just for the yucks.  Oh wait, it's already been done.

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45 Naturally there is no exact equivalent in private industry to the postal monopoly.  One expects the Libertines to focus upon the point.

Now, if the argument were over privatizing mail services, or at least relaxing or eliminating government monopolies over them, we might find common ground.  This is NOT the question at hand, however.

The question is only whether, given the exigent circumstances, we ought hire executives to run the USPS at one level or another.  Do we want someone who could command $800K+ in the private sector, or ought we settle for some $200K bureaucrat? 

Or we could settle on some Libertarian candidate who, while lacking in any real experience, might bring some particular knowledge of BSG and video gaming to the table.

The mail is going to be delivered by some quasi-government entity for the foreseeable future, and someone will run the operation.  Those who profess allegiance to the free market ought understand that in executives, as in any other commodity, you get about what you pay for.

Now, if the executive recommends cost-saving measures, isn't that guaranteed to disappoint someone?  How does this deserve different treatment than the cost savings proposed by the CEOs of private enterprises?  Are they to be mocked for their salaries, as well?

It is naturally difficult to maintain any consistency in such disjointed philosophies as Libertarianism.

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That's well argued, Adjoran, but if you read the typical postal comments, they are seldom libertarian in nature. They'd be faux-conservative, get-off-my-lawn, stamps-used-to-be-two-cents arguments. Which is to say, no argument at all.  They'd be "ventative" in nature.  You get a lot of that.

The PMG's salary seems to be inflating at the rate of $50K/4 hours. One questions whether the price of his parking space ought to be charged against him. And he did cut the Inspection Service (which had furnished security for previous PMG's and a few other things), whence he arose, to the bone--gave most of it away, actually, and thereby hangs quite another tale. Nobody wants to hear it, though, because we're having too much fun. Hasn't settled down yet.

 

 

48 If he was so focused on making what people in the private sector make, why not just go look for a job elsewhere?  ...Wait, I think I answered my own question.  That would be too difficult for him. 

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