1 There will be no trade war - once they realize Obama's good intentions, there will be rainbows and skittles for all.

2 God this sucks.

3 It's a sad day when the commies know more about free markets than the Congress and President of the United States.

It's not that they know more about free markets than the Congress and the President.  It's simply that China is starting to warm up to the idea and its benefits whereas the United States is being run by people hostile to the results of a society that benefits from free trade.

4
Why all the concern?

Obama has no intention of abiding by it. What Obama and Congress say is going to be a lot different from what they actually do. They are not accountable to anybody -- not even their moonbat base.

5 It won't be a war. The US will not fight. Obama will rollover and go whatever - I don't care about capitalism anyway.

6 Except for Maxine Waters of course.  I'm pretty sure that she is both hostile to freedom and an ignoramus when it comes to economics and a plethora of other subjects.

7 I agree, this stance by the Obama administration is Draconian and has socialist overtones that will surely expedite America's fall into communism. I hope America wakes up before it's too late.

8 Obama just needs to get hooked up with the Chinese money train .... Hillary should be able to help him with that ... then he will sing their praises and send them military tech to boot ... I might surmise

But China has too many USD bonds to trash US, and we need them to keep filling up our WalMarts ... it's a marriage made in hell ...

9 It's a sad day when the commies Chicoms know more about free markets than the commies in Congress and commie President of the United States.

Fixed

10 I like the part where Turbo Timmy implys that he read the bill when no one else did, otherwise he doesn't know crap about what's in it.

11 Please don't make me move to freakin' China to enjoy the benefits of democracy....

12 Just this last week the Chinese said they will continue to buy our debt, bloated or not, and they also let out another secret: "...they hate us..." and still understand that only a complete tool like Urkel X, the Affirmative Action President could crimp the economic power of the US. They hope for a soft President who also understands how a free market actually works.  They didn't quite get what they wanted.

They probably wanted someone who is as gutless as Urkel but a little more ready-to-go out of the box with making the American economy healthy enough to buy cheap Chinese products. Including hookers...

Urkel X has a great book knowledge of commie-nomics©, which doesn't work.  Actual real world results of commie-nomics© has been poor at best.

13

"Go away sir, for you have already been too long among us."

Who said (sort of) that?

14 It's simply that China is starting to warm up to the idea and its benefits whereas the United States is being run by people hostile to the results of a society that benefits from free trade.

Familiarity does breed contempt, doesn't it?

Time to start brushing up on my Mandarin.

15 Commie-nomics© and ScamWow© are not trademarked for purposes of this blog and its content. You mileage may vary. Please contribute to the tip jar on your way out the smoky piano bar...thank you. Happy Hannukak.

16 I'm sure Maxine Waters knows EVERYTHING.  With Waters, Frank, Dodd and company in charge, we have nothing to fear.........hahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!

17
You all remember during the campaign how often Obama praised China for the way they do shit and how it was, in many ways, superior to ours?

Obama is a huge fan of China and will do nothing to piss them off or cost them money.

18 What's left in America's manufacturing base left to ship to China anyway? The only thing the Chinese have to fear is if a few corporations decide to return manufacturing back here to the States.

19 Who could have ever predicted this when the Chicoms split from the Comintern.

20 I wish its was just incompetance on his part. he is hell bent on doing purposely doing everything to cripple this country and cause its down fall. Not just him but his advisors as well. Not one of them have told him how damging this will be? They know, they want it to happen. This is calculated, to weaken us beyond the crippling effect the stimulus will do. he is doing everything both financially and militarily to open us up for easy hostile takeover. Making sure he pisses of our allies as well so we have no one coming to our aid either.

21 Hey, Barry, if we piss off the Chinese, who's gonna fund your massive debt?

22 What's left in America's manufacturing base left to ship to China anyway?

For approximately the ten billionth time:  The U.S. manufacturing base is alive and well to the tune of a trillion and a half dollars a year--that would make it around the eighth largest economy in the world, by itself.  We just don't make hula hoops and shoes any more.  Fine by me.

23 The only thing the Chinese have to fear is if a few corporations decide to return manufacturing back here to the States.

What should they fear if not the prospect of the US economy collapsing, and their burgeoning urban population is suddenly and massively thrown out of work and can not afford food, shelter or clothing?

I mean, what could go wrong?

24 @13

Cicero.

25

What should they fear if not the prospect of the US economy collapsing, and their burgeoning urban population is suddenly and massively thrown out of work and can not afford food, shelter or clothing?

I mean, what could go wrong

 

What's a few million(or more) dead?  The ChiComs have no problems killing people who kick up a fuss.  The world will piss and moan a bit, then back to business as usual. 

26 What should they fear if not the prospect of the US economy collapsing, and their burgeoning urban population is suddenly and massively thrown out of work and can not afford food, shelter or clothing

It ain't the urban centers they are worried about, Aggie.  It's the 800 million peasants.

27 "It was during Churchill's second premiership that Britain suppressed Kenya's Mau Mau rebellion. Among Kenyans allegedly tortured by the colonial regime included one Hussein Onyango Obama, the President's grandfather"

His grandfather was a commie? I guess like grandfather like grandson.

28 4

Bingo. Everyone is STILL locked up debating the pro's and con's of this idiot's "policies" and failing to see the big picture. They will continue to see only what is on the surface, and until the moment it actually happens, will fail to see what this is really about. We are watching the end of the world. Hahaha they laugh, get a grip. Why, in four years we'll just take everything back, when B Hussein fails spectacularly!

BS. In 4 years, the SCOTUS will be so drastically changed that nothing short of an armed rebellion will do. But very shortly, our second amendment rights will be changed so drastically, that that will not be possible.

Ah who cares? Back to funny quips and political correctness. And please, respect your new overlords, the former minorities who bullied even those who really really really thought they were hard core conservatives...

29 Barry has no right bringing his personal experience with Churchill's England into US-UK relations. The Presidency is not his private estate.

30 Just wait until the Chinese hack the one's Blackberry.

31 Just wait until the Chinese hack the one's Blackberry.
Posted by: solitary knight

They should tread carefully there. There could be candid shots of Michelle the Wonder Dog on that thing.

32 So, if we were to subscribe to the disordered and reflexive thought patterns that the lefty moonbats quaintly refer to as "logic":

Bush => Daddy Issues = War in Iraq

Obama => Grampa Issues = Trade War w/ the England and the rest of the EU?

33 Barry, meet your new overlords.

34

This morning on the bus (here in Shanghai) I saw said editorial, and a front page headline:  "Asia silently waits for Hillary" (亚洲静待希拉里）.  Vomit...  They are ready for the idiot to quit trying to interfere with policy and let Hillary (at least a pragmatist) run the show overseas.

The Chinese desparately wanted Hillary to win the election, since they bought Bill and 'Hil, and they are terrified of Obama.  It is really sad that our policies are now too socialist even for China.

35 I see amateur hour at the white house continues....

36 When's the expiration date on Timmy-the-Tax-Cheat's assurances? 

37 13
"Go away sir, for you have already been too long among us."

Who said (sort of) that?



I believe you did. Good work.

38

One minute they seem like a bunch of power hungry crooks scrambling in the dark, and the next I just don't think anyone could really be this stupid.  Is our entire gov't (both parties) setting us up for some big fall that will end with us being forced/rushed into some global system/gov't, or - who knows?  Dammit, I think I better get my lace wig, fast!

39 Can someone get Biden^ off of this thread please?

40 11 Please don't make me move to freakin' China to enjoy the benefits of democracy....

They have awesome food at great prices!

41 what a choice: the "pragmatic wing of the communist party" and the "idiot wing of the Democrat party". 

jackboot fascism gets stuff done.  bunnyslipper fascism is an unemployed couch potato.

42

Every time I see that fucking wig post, I always picture those white colonial wigs.

Fitting, huh?!

43

what a choice: the "pragmatic wing of the communist party" and the "idiot wing of the Democrat party". 

There, fixed.

44

They have awesome food at great prices!

Yeah, but Rickshaw Path Kill Grill doesn't quite roll off the tongue as easily as it should.

 

45 re: 43

I was gonna cut Heath Schuler some slack....  Even if he was a Vol and a flop in the pros.... but only cuz he was one of 7 to vote against the spendulus.

46

This is just sad.  The ChiComs lecturing us on capitalism.  How far we have sunk.  And you just know that even if John "the economy isn't my strong suit" McCain had won, he would have proposed something just as idiotic.  We are screwed.  We really are.

I am seriously beginning to think about emigrating to Australia.  My impression is that they have the whole 'rugged individualism' thing there a bit more down pat.  So who cares if they have nasty spiders.  Anybody care to join me?  Maybe that is where Galt's Gulch is really located.

47    I keep hearing on this, and similar sites, about people cutting up credit cards, paying off mortgages, driving junkers etc...Fuck that. I bought another un-needed SUV before Christmas. I'm gonna max out my credit card, to up the Horsepower on my boat.  Fuck it. If the shit hits the fan, I'll have cash, Gold and cool shit to barter with. I won't need a deed to wipe my ass with. I'll just steal my neighbors  property at  gunpoint. And his huge generator. Works for the Gov't.

48 US goes down = Australia gets eaten by the Chinese and/or Indonesians instantly.

So, no, I don't think Australia is a good bet, refuge-wise

49 Dudes, that was some scary, scary shit from Obama.  Cant watch the fucking All Star game without Obama popping up for 3 minutes of propaganda?

Simple message tho:

Anyone who is not on the "team" is socially undesirable.  Everyone must get on the same page with Obama to save the country, and of course, join in to
"remake this country"

It is amazing noone in America is calling Obama on the massive disrespect he is showing to American history to date.

Scary that it is working this well for him so far to be a charismatic demagogue.

50 The Chicoms are way more capitalistic than the U.S.. Russia has a flat tax. What the hell happened?

51 As a expert Risk player I can assure you that even if you Australia right off the bat and bank ALL your extra armies in the vicinity, you CAN'T keep it by yourself. Even if Asia is divided some bigger power moves on it and devours it...every time.

52

MikeB:

And who hasn't had the urge to shoot a couple of reporters here and there (like Putin).  Oh, Obama I guess...I forget that they would never stop sucking his d long enough to criticize "The One"

53 Mike B....DemocRATS happened.

54 But who really gives a shit about Australia, in the grand scheme of international diplomacy and intrigue?  Nobody.  And I think that's a good thing when the world eventually turns on Obama.  Would you rather be ignored or caught in the crossfire?  So I'm still liking Australia.  That, and the possibility of having barbecues on Christmas Day.  Oh and the nude beaches.

55 torabora @ 51: Oh it's really really hard to crack Australia if you are playing against a clueful Risk player.  And it's not like Australia has no enemies besides America.  What about the Indians?  They don't like the Chinese either.

56

What up wit da FLEE? This is the best country in the free(?) world to be a slacker bum. Not that I endosre it as a lifestyle, but the "poor" here have a tremendous quality of life.

So we go for another Revolution. The Paperwork is done, and we just get/hire people that can read, and more importantly, enforce the BoR's and Constitution.

How many Obamabots even own steak knives? What will you do when Vegans attack on 10 speed bikes?

57

er that should be "no ALLIES besides America"

58

hutch1200 @ 56: I guess I'm just more pessimistic in the long term.  Sure we might win the next election, but who's to say that the next R won't turn out to be another George Bush or John McCain?  I honestly don't think a Reagan could get elected nowadays.  Our fellow moronic citizens want their free government cheese and they won't vote for anyone who wants to take it away from them.  We ARE GOING to get nationalized health care and that is going to be impossible to undo.  Things ARE going to suck.

Oh fuck it.  I'm going to go get drunk instead.

59

Chemjeff. I agree. I've already done the rage/denial/aceptance thing. We're fucked. How do I get mine? That's my next question. Gov't grant to study the slutty nature of hippy chicks? $800 B? Gotta be someting there for me. No?

With a handle like that, can you help streamline my "lab"?

60 That's what we need! A stupid Gov't grant thread/contest. And know cheating by using all the stupid fucking ones that have been done already.

61 Maybe the Chinese will misread it as Buy America and realize they already did.

62 Hutch1200 can't help too much with the lab, DEA watches everything.  yeah i know we should just grab what we can. i just know that sometime in the not-so-distant future i'll get an email from one of my superiors saying something like "good news we got some money to expand the lab/start a new project/hire more people" and i'll just know that the money was tied in some way to this stimulus bill and it will just make my heart sink a little bit more.  it is like the black alien thing from spiderman 3: it eventually consumes your entire soul.

63 by the way, just in case you were wondering, just in case the curiosity is eating you up, just in the off chance that this is relevant information to you, round trip flights to Australia from LAX are now under $700

64 What about 1-way?

65

For approximately the ten billionth time:  The U.S. manufacturing base is alive and well to the tune of a trillion and a half dollars a year--that would make it around the eighth largest economy in the world, by itself.  We just don't make hula hoops and shoes any more.  Fine by me.

What is your cite to back up your declaration? Nationmaster lists the US down in 73rd spot in 2004 for Industry Statistics > Manufacturing, value added > current US$ (per $ GDP) > United States (historical data).

 

66 ... it eventually consumes your entire soul.
..and we have the winner! Name your prize. Australia?

67

I work in a Rural area for a huge Telecom. When I heard that "Investments" in high speed internet use for everyone was part of the deal, my ears perked up. As in job security/ overtime perked up. Yeah, I might see some cash for running fiber in the boondocks, seeing as how my union (CWA) gave 99% of their dues to Donks.

I still can't fathom being happy to get more Gov't money for shit that we were going to do anyway. Eventually, as these areas grew.

Fuck it. I contribute the max in my companies matching 401k. Maybe this will help the stock.

Still don't sit right though.

68

d'oh! one way flights are about the same price, maybe a little more. about $750

69 sickinmass sure that will work oh and the directions to galt's gulch. presumably it's in the outback somewhere

70 I will google for it chemjeff..oh wait..

71 dammit!

72 re: chemjeff ... hm.  i was gonna suggest a one-way, as that is all that would be necessary, but apparently a round trip is cheaper [that explains a lot].  at least on cheapflights.com its cheaper that way.

they have a fair bit of libtards down undah.  just elected one as PM.  going Kiwi is a possibility as well.  brisbane is probably the place to go, unless someone has a better suggestion.

73 Where are all of the John Cougar Mellencamps and the Bruce Springsteens now, to lament to us about the horrific downfall of the downtrodden middle American working man of the past, and to regale us with a renewed hope in the resiliency of the can-do human spirit?

74 ...or maybe i could respond quicker and not be distracted...

75
73..
**crickets**

76 We've come to the point in history that fucking Red China is lecturing the USA on free trade. The Russians think Obama is a socialist fool. The Europeans think we're drifting too far left.

Can someone please tell us WHAT THE HELL is going on???

This is just so depressively unreal, I just don't know if I can stand to continue reading blogs anymore. Maybe the best thing to do is just go to ground for the next 4 years, turn off the news, just cruise porn sites, and pray a lot?

I'm just really depressed at what is unfolding.

77 hutch1200 @ 67 yeah i was a bit excited too seeing as how i'm going to be moving to a rural area in a few months, and the idea of a 'smart electricity grid' sounds like a fine idea too at first...but then i had this vision. have you ever been to a nice-ish hotel, one that has ethernet ports in every room, but the hotel only offers wireless internet?  the hotel management obviously went to a lot of trouble to invest in all that ethernet infrastructure and now it's all useless because of the steady march of technological progress.  i fear that's what all of these investments are going to turn into, a huge amount of money spent on technology upgrades that in five years (or less) will be obsolete.  and then what, will we have to have another 'stimulus' bill to upgrade the not-so-smart electricity grid, for another $7 gazillion?

78 Comedy Central is showing Idiocracy now.  When did they start doing the news?

79 Didnt Obama say there was 3k miles of new power line being built?  there must be something super-special about that since there is what, 50k+ miles in a typical city?

80 AG @ 72 i thought about new zealand, but aren't they a bunch of enviro-kooks? yeah and i definitely wasn't suggesting moving to sydney or anything, i'm sure it's a nice city but it also seems like the aussie version of NYC and SF combined.  maybe perth?  hadn't thought about brisbane.  thanks for the tip.

81 coolczech i'm telling ya, come to australia.  we'll do some hobo hunting down under!

82 Holy crapping crap!  Even Krugman had a lucid moment about this shit!
_{"Nobel Prize-winning economist Paul Krugman wrote a column on the issue Friday in which he warned that the Obama "administration's response to the economic crisis is all too reminiscent of Japan in the 1990s." In the same issue of The New York Times, an article filed from Tokyo quotes officials wondering why the United States does not seem to have learned from Japan's mistakes. "}

83 Smart grids are a fantasy.  A couple of years ago, I participated in running an industrial cogeneration facility tied to a municipal grid, and it was as logistical and safety nightmare.  The number of interlocks required to render it safe would be insane.

Mark my words, electrocution statistics will skyrocket.

84 A.G.@79 "Didnt Obama say there was 3k miles of new power line being built?  there must be something super-special about that"

The super-special-stupidity of transmitting windmill voltage from Whereverville, Great Plains, USA, to the industrial northeast, with a ...what? ... 50% power loss.  60%?  Some insanely wasteful percentage anyway.
   These are the same geniuses that brought us ethanol ... now they're in charge of the electric power grid.
   We are so fucking fucked.

85 But wait ... there's a scintilla of a glimmer of hope ...
I just noticed that Darling is posting on this thread, and for a change NOT cheerleading for Protectionism.  So there's that, at least.

86

Chemjeff. Are you speaking of how cheap tech gets after a few years? Like cell phones? I've noticed Sat phones are coming down in $. Slightly.

I take the deep cycle batteries out of my boat for the winter. I also removed my  2 motorcycle batteries and have a few junk yard batteries I keep  charged with a 15watt solar panel. The pannel was $80 and is 30"x15". I have my portable battery jump box hooked up to this bank too. Last week we suffered an 18 hour power failure. I tandemed 2 cheap Harbor freight 2000w/400wat surge inverters ($75 each on sale, w/10% off coupon) to this system and ran my furnace, fridge, DSL modem, laptop and 1 room of lights/tv. Maybe could have powered more. I've got less than $250 in this rube goldberg setup but it worked fine. I have it set up in a shed. I ran my 27 HP tractor w/30 amp alternator just to make sure they would stay charged. But I didn't start the tractor until about 2 hours in.

I was surprised at how well this system worked, since we haven't had a lot of sun here in the North East. 

Something to consider w/o busting the bank. Keep in mind this is just a temp strom deal.

87

The super-special-stupidity of transmitting windmill voltage from Whereverville, Great Plains, USA, to the industrial northeast, with a ...what? ... 50% power loss.  60%?  Some insanely wasteful percentage anyway.

I thought it was going to be transmitted by special superconducting unicorns.

88 hutch well thanx for the tip but i was thinking more along the lines of what the morons-in-chief were thinking of when they set about to spend huge bucks design the "smart electricity grid".

89 brisbane is just inland from the gold coast.  Imagine a fancy version of AoS lifestyle.  even non-aussie advertisements make it out to be real-life baywatch. dont know much about perth, though I have a friend who studied there for a year.  cant get too much reliable info from her, as she is a sociology prof now with communist sympathies (of the lefty buddhist naive idealist type).  the economist made a list of the world's most liveable cities and had melbourne as #2 and perth as #4.

Its my understanding that NZ has a strict immigration policy.  So no fatties.  no hobos.  While I have no fondness for tree-humpers, I do like scenic land.  Dont know if they are overrun with them.

Yeah sydney is a no-go.  sydney is a cleaner version of frisco.  according to the theories of evolution and continental drift, the two were originally one, but drifted apart over millions of years.  the separation and lack of "intermingling" created two distinct, yet still quite similar, species of city.

90

Holy crapping crap!  Even Krugman had a lucid moment about this shit!

No, he didn't.  He did a painful BBCA interview (is there another kind?) in which his fundamental points were:

* The stimulus is far too small.  It needs to commit a full 50% more into the Democrat Payback, Slush Fund, and Electioneering Bill of 2009.

* Prince Barry should listen to Krugman and not allow his kind and conciliatory nature to be abused by unprincipled, evil Republicans.

* Republicans are apparently still committed to "voodoo economics" like the Bush tax cuts, which produced five of the stronger economic years in this nation's history.  By voodoo.  Which is bad and evil.  Command and control economies, on the other hand, have a proven track record of success.  Or they will as soon as they get their first success.  Which should be us.

* Tax cuts are bad because those damned taxpayers might do the unpatriotic thing and pay down their debts or even *gasp* put the money in the bank for a rainy day, but dumping tens of billions of dollars into the pockets of unions and in the creation of make-work bullshit jobs is real stimulus.  After all, paying a guy to fix a school's leaky roof (no, really, this is the example he used --because there is apparently now an epidemic of schools that are in imminent danger!!!!1111 of collapsing and killing everyone inside) is more productive than actually clearing debt or freeing up lending capital.  And since that new "job" will be filled with a union employee, he's guaranteed to still be fixing that roof long after he's dead and his wife is enjoying his lifetime pension and healthcare benefits.

Don't ever give that hyper-partisan pretend economist an ounce of credit.  Anyone who still cites Keynes without the intention of mockery is a committed idiot.

91 chemjeff, my hat is off to you. Go for it. Windmills seem like a bargain these days. BTW, I'm sure you researched stuff like hardwired phones (versus cordless), wind up clocks etc..We do that at our cabin. Good luck to you!

92 I just remember Thulsa Doom touting the 3k miles as something spectacular.  As if it were some great national project that would lead us all to emptiness err.. prosperity.  He must be planning on divinely inspiring C60 into mass-production.  Perhaps what scientists have been missing as a catalyst is the element unicornium. 

/sarc off
Now that I think about it, that sounds like a Pelosi-T. Boones' wallet stimulus plan.

Steel isn't strong, boy, flesh is stronger! Look around you. There, on the rocks; a beautiful girl. Come to me, my child... [coaxes the girl to jump to her death]  That is strength, boy! That is power! What is steel compared to the hand that wields it?
~ Thulsa Doom

93 mmm...real-life baywatch...if that isn't incentive enough to get in shape, nothing is

94 VJay "No, he didn't. "

Thanks, I'm all better now. 
Whew!

95 OT: chavez won the vote to scrap term limits

96 We all know China is such a free trading nation...you know, like when they don't let their own companies who want to buy US auto parts buy them? Or when they have their own standards for stuff to make sure Huawei gets the deals?

LOL.

If I were China now, I would order 50,000 USA made cars just for the PR effect.

97 Please don't make me move to freakin' China to enjoy the benefits of democracy....
Posted by: kal at February 15, 2009 07:25 PM (RQcne)

Already here, living the American dream.

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100 As bad as our new leader's trade policy is, let's not go crazy praising the Chinese.  I realize a lot of those comments are exaggeration/sarcasm, but let's be careful.  There's no form of trade manipulation or government intervention in business that the Chinese don't go in for.  Let's not forget that they actively subsidize exports, and do all they can to minimize domestic efficiency in order to maximize employment numbers.  They both inflate their exports and protect their domestic industry through currency manipulation of the grossest kind.  If you think those are bad things, quit talking about what great free marketeers they are. 

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They both inflate their exports and protect their domestic industry through currency manipulation of the grossest kind.  If you think those are bad things, quit talking about what great free marketeers they are. 

Many freemarket types say that starting and running a business in China is much easier than it is in the States. Their currency manipulation has seen them buying huge  amounts of United States Debt. Course I am not so happy about that since it enabled a lot of idiocy.

103 Good point Reactionary ...

China will use "capitalism" to achieve their ends, by soaking up our capitalist wealth, and pulling in capitalist investment, and stealing technology that emanates from free thinking capitalists.  But they will also nationalize anything they want when that scenario fits their goals, and do all those devious things you mention.

Cramer has sounded big on China, but he has clarified that he is not big on China stocks, but on their economic engine which may help propel some stocks like CAT and FCX.  (though he does recommend FXI)

China may fear peasant uprisings, but I'm not clear what they would properly be called now.  Faux capitalist skin with a ruthless steel skeleton, like the terminator? 

Many seem to assume they will be the premiere economic power in three to twenty years ... but I tend to think that only happens for countries that allow more real capitalism, and less heavy handed government. 

But with free markets taking it on the chin lately, and knees buckling, it is hard to discern if perhaps we really are the last great hope for freedom.  Hopefully the 2010 election will display a rebuke of the big socialist/Marxist swing ... or maybe there will be more chaos ...

104

"History and economics have told us, facing a global financial crisis, trade protectionism is not a solution, but a poison to the solution," the editorial said.

Jesus, the Chinese are giving us lectures about protectionism? The entire fucking Chinese economy is built on protectionism!

"Do as we say, not as we do." Maybe the chinks are liberals after all.

105

Many freemarket types say that starting and running a business in China is much easier than it is in the States.

 

Translation - it's easier to buy political favors in China without getting into trouble with the law. Freemarket types, my shiny metal ass.

106

China may fear peasant uprisings, but I'm not clear what they would properly be called now.  Faux capitalist skin with a ruthless steel skeleton, like the terminator?

I think it's called "fascism".

107 and speaking of chaos .. it seems team Obama/Ayers and the Alinsky way actually prefer more chaos, to further their ambitions. 

The US needs more economic activity, and less dependence on foreign energy, yet the left wants to curtail domestic exploration and rebuke nukes ... nuclear power plants I mean.Why not develop those small nuke plants that would power small towns for decades, or larger nuke plants that could power large cities?

Priority so far seems to be to turn power over to unions and ACORN and special interests ... and build up large government for decades to come.  With that dead body tied to "capitalism", it will be hard to get the US economic supertanker pulled out of the shallows, even if/when the tide comes back in.

yes, I'm mixing my metaphors

108 #106   I think it's called "fascism". 

That sounds right ... probably no reason to attribute more nuance to it than that.  All the "free market" capitalism talk is mere propaganda, though they are pulling capitalists into their web. 

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Many seem to assume they will be the premiere economic power in three to twenty years ... but I tend to think that only happens for countries that allow more real capitalism, and less heavy handed government. 

 

There is not a whole lot of evidence to support that theory. I know that a lot of people want to believe it, so thay can have their cake and eat it so. Or profit off tradng with China while telling themselves that by doing so they are advancing the cause of freedom.

Hitlers Germany is a good analogy here. Not remotely free, but the formost technological power of its day.

 

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Hitler's Germany didn't last long, and I don't know all the keys to their success, or if they were not remotely free.  I don't have wide historical scope, but it seems they spent their resources in a way that would not endure.  Of course maybe if they had won the war, we wouldn't be free to argue the point.

But there is certainly no guarantee that freedom and a fairly governed style of capitalism will prevail, even if it is the best system.

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