Health care rationing for elderly slipped into stimulus

Note to democrats: four years from now, boomers=="seniors"

...If the Obama administration’s economic stimulus bill passes the Senate in its current form, seniors in the U.S. will face similar rationing. Defenders of the system say that individuals benefit in younger years and sacrifice later...

Of course, everyone looks forward to a debilitating, painful, (and soon to be impoverished,) old age so this is sure to be a real vote getter in the future.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at 12:22 AM

Comments

1 I am boiling mad about this. Boiling mad. Let's just take it all the way, Logan's Run baby, Logan's Run.

Posted by: ParanoidInSeattle at February 10, 2009 12:23 AM (AJ4xq)

2 Of course, everyone looks forward to a debilitating, painful, (and soon to be impoverished,) old age so this is sure to be a real vote getter in the future.

Normally the AARP would be up in arms about this. Nowadays, they're more interested in pimping their insurance products.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 10, 2009 12:26 AM (MKNSy)

3 If you're too old to ride a unicorn, then ZAP!
Now THAT'S healthcare, Barry-Style.

Posted by: Barack Obama PBUH at February 10, 2009 12:27 AM (t5329)

4 I heard Rush talking about this today.

I love how taxcheat daschle basically told the elderly to accept their fate and die.

Posted by: Ginger at February 10, 2009 12:28 AM (VjELp)

5 Fish, and plankton. And sea greens, and protein from the sea.

Posted by: Box at February 10, 2009 12:28 AM (IFNNU)

6 I refuse to believe this.

Posted by: Alana at February 10, 2009 12:32 AM (JE2zV)

7 I wonder how many of the 52 are saying "Oh shit, why the fuck did I vote for the nice speaking man?"

Posted by: Ginger at February 10, 2009 12:33 AM (VjELp)

8 So, The One Lightworker is throwing a significant portion of the population under the bus.

That must be some bus.

Posted by: Techie at February 10, 2009 12:35 AM (906oR)

9 They should have thought about the Social Security and Medicare obligations before starting this bailout and stimulus crap.

Soon, there literally will be no way out to cover the interest on our debt besides devaluing our currency which will cause an international monetary collapse. Trade will stop.

The clock is running backwards now - and accelerating.

Posted by: Old Sailor at February 10, 2009 12:36 AM (/Ft4q)

10 Normally the AARP would be up in arms about this.

AARP isn't about seniors, its all about AARP as a business that benefits its executives and staff. Any benefit for seniors is strictly accidental.

Dumbasses keep sending life insurance offers every month for my mom who died back in June and I've told them repeatedly that she's dead, but the offers keep coming. One of these days I swear I'm going to take them up on their offer to insure the life of a dead woman.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at February 10, 2009 12:36 AM (Ygf78)

11 We will of coarse be changing to a Quatloo based economy to make this all work. There will be no elderly since the older thralls will be eliminated through combat.

Posted by: Barak of Triskelion at February 10, 2009 12:37 AM (id7IM)

Dumbasses keep sending life insurance offers every month for my mom who died back in June and I've told them repeatedly that she's dead, but the offers keep coming. One of these days I swear I'm going to take them up on their offer to insure the life of a dead woman.

Try and pick up a life insurance policy and then immediately produce the death certificate and try to collect.

Funny about the mail. My Dad still gets some mail for my Mom and she died back in August 2006.

Posted by: jaleach at February 10, 2009 12:39 AM (gHrZU)

13 This will go over like a ton of bricks when families demand to know why Grandma's treatment for arthritis and cataracts were denied, while the POTUS dines on Wagyu steak.

Posted by: Techie at February 10, 2009 12:40 AM (906oR)

14 I mentioned this over at dpud's - if you thought leaking Joe the Plumber's info was bad, just you wait until some government functionary has as his/her fingertips all that personal info you gave to your physician for health care.

Posted by: alexthechick at February 10, 2009 12:41 AM (NuqWW)

15

@5, Box: Secret artificial reefs with naturally increasing fish stocks; garden, chickens, rabbits. Winter cold frames for vegetables all year.

Posted by: Old Sailor at February 10, 2009 12:41 AM (/Ft4q)

I should also add I read an article a few weeks ago about a couple that kept getting harassing phone calls about their adult son's unpaid credit cards and other debts. He died about a year previous.

Why in the fuck are creditors calling his parents for collection? If he's an adult, they aren't liable.

Posted by: jaleach at February 10, 2009 12:42 AM (gHrZU)

17 I guess with all the unprotected sex, illicit drugs, and Vietnam the government didn't expect so many boomers to live this long.

Posted by: Aaron at February 10, 2009 12:46 AM (gftD1)

18 The Party of Death leading the Culture of Death into a Brave New World.

Posted by: Kensington at February 10, 2009 12:48 AM (90mpl)

19 Soylent green, anyone?

Posted by: CODEKEYGUY at February 10, 2009 12:49 AM (+WuRB)

It's basic economics: If something is free, eventually, somehow, it has to be rationed. Living in Canada, I accept it as part of the healthcare system here. It's rationed insofar as I have to wait an extra day or so to get a doctor's appointment for something routine.

In college I went to a presentation by former Surgeon General C. Everett Koop. The money quote was when he said, "Americans want their health care high-tech, fast, and cheap. You can have any two of those, but not all three."

Posted by: logprof at February 10, 2009 12:49 AM (tjUml)

21 17 Aaron

They didn't expect so many of the Depression/World War II generation to live so long either. The 2000 census noted that there are now a significant number of two-generation households consisting of 70-year-olds taking care of parents in their 90s.

Posted by: PA Cat at February 10, 2009 12:51 AM (PGeV7)

It should also be added that the customary retirement age of 65 dates from Bismarck's Germany. The Hohenzollerns! It was chosen not to be comfortable, but because it exceeded the life expectancy of the time, so over half the population died by then.

That needs to be bumped upward.

Posted by: logprof at February 10, 2009 12:55 AM (tjUml)

23 http://tinyurl.com/5auf8p

Posted by: Biscuiteater at February 10, 2009 01:01 AM (2JF/+)

24 Funny about the mail. My Dad still gets some mail for my Mom and she died back in August 2006.

At my business I get mail and phone calls for my dad who died in 94. even though I had bought the company from him in 92. One dipshit even said that he had just talked to my dad a couple of days earlier. (that was in 05).

Posted by: mrcaniac at February 10, 2009 01:02 AM (Rbulg)

The Hohenzollerns!

Hey! Who are you calling a ho, punk?! Hope and change! Change and hope! Brains!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Average Voter at February 10, 2009 01:05 AM (PLmsY)

26 Gulags and concentration camps were to passe for Zero. Is it no wonder that the millionares in Washington that pass this criminal legislation are so rich they never have to worry about healthcare

Posted by: drop dead at February 10, 2009 01:07 AM (hphNR)

27 The 52% have enrolled us in a literal suicide pact. And they have done so without compunction. They would rather commit themselves to medical neglect and unnecessary death rather than see themselves as "selfish." Unfortunately they want to take the rest of us with them to the grave of socialist sacrifice.

Posted by: George Orwell at February 10, 2009 01:07 AM (AZGON)

28 ¹⁶

^{I should also add I read an article a few weeks ago about a couple
that kept getting harassing phone calls about their adult son's unpaid
credit cards and other debts. He died about a year previous.}

^{Why in the fuck are creditors calling his parents for collection? If he's an adult, they aren't liable.}

^{Posted by: jaleach}

If they have a phone number in their files, they call it. My father in law gets calls and letters about his deadbeat son's (my bro-in-law) debts.

Posted by: mrcaniac at February 10, 2009 01:09 AM (Rbulg)

29 At first I thought Obama had a donor whose business converts medical records into data, but now I see the real reason he keeps talking about e-records: he's spying on us so he can ration our health care!!

Posted by: PJ at February 10, 2009 01:10 AM (fyFnu)

30 And of course Daschle is not an "ordinary American", so he won't be subjected to "accepting" conditions that come with old age. He's also free to just drop this sucker in without scrutiny.

Equally scary:

The bill’s health rules will affect “every individual in the United States” (445, 454, 479). Your medical treatments will be tracked electronically by a federal system.

It's just about time to hit the highway...

Posted by: Duesa at February 10, 2009 01:14 AM (Srqga)

31 I like the provision that says the government dictates how your doctor treats you, and they can be rejected if the treatments aren't cost effective--thereby, putting your life in danger.

Posted by: nighthaven at February 10, 2009 01:16 AM (ryiXN)

Defenders of the system say that individuals benefit in younger years (when they don't need it) and sacrifice later (when they do need it)...

Sign me up!!! And for your government records, I like green skittles

Posted by: Ted K. at February 10, 2009 01:26 AM (EMpUe)

33 The good news to this bill and the "cull the seniors" provisoin... we'll finally be able to get rid of Arlan Specter.

Posted by: HatlessHessian at February 10, 2009 01:27 AM (7r7wy)

34 "Your medical treatments will be tracked electronically by a federal system. Having electronic medical records at your fingertips, easily transferred to a hospital, is beneficial."

Yeah, just think how beneficial it would have been for Helen Jones-Kelley if they had had some sort of pilot program set up in Ohio last fall.

Posted by: Deety at February 10, 2009 01:28 AM (1jglO)

35 I'm going Home.

Posted by: Edward G. Robinson in Soylent Green at February 10, 2009 01:30 AM (AZGON)

Singing disembodied head zombies is always a good thing.

Posted by: Biscuiteater at February 10, 2009 01:32 AM (2JF/+)

37 Not long now, eh Comrade?

Posted by: LC at February 10, 2009 01:34 AM (9zic7)

38 I'm supposed to give a shit about old geezers who don't pay for their own healthcare and depend on the government?

Posted by: pirate of the perineum at February 10, 2009 01:35 AM (pz0CV)

39 "Sanctuary!" I love Logan's Run. Sign me up for that crazy Farah lasering machine. Short skirts, feathered hair, fancy palms, Sandmen... squee! Early tortuous death? So, worth it.

Posted by: Amanda at February 10, 2009 01:40 AM (SXosX)

40 The way out of this is the creation of hard currency, and a structurally sound economy based on a sound and reasonable scheme of taxation that provides enough money for a government to manage its proper affairs, and for economic freedom at a sufficient level to generate growth and prosperity. The accumulation of wealth and capital in the United States is not a bad thing when it is done in actual terms. The growth of the American economy is only a threat to the world when the growth is fraudulent and financed by an ever-increasing pool of fraudulent debt instruments known as the federal reserve note.

Posted by: sickinmass at February 10, 2009 01:43 AM (/i4dU)

41 The only thing that helps me maintain my slender grip on reality is the friendship I share with my collection of singing potatoes. Why shouldn't I run the national health care system?

Posted by: Tom Daschle at February 10, 2009 01:43 AM (Ymor3)

42 I wonder how the rationing will be carried out? Will the government officials decide solely by cost, or will other factors come into it, like race, gender, etc;? After all, why should health care be decided on any different from hiring, retention and education rationing, all of which involve favoring some groups over others.

Posted by: BattleofthePyramids at February 10, 2009 01:44 AM (tdGVA)

43 I still get mail and calls for relatives who have died in the last fifteen years. The most annoying are the very official ones who have been notified many times over.

Hello, Marine Corps. I am talking about you.

...but I otherwise love you. Kiss, kiss!

Posted by: Amanda at February 10, 2009 01:45 AM (SXosX)

44 I wonder how the rationing will be carried out?

By political purity, of course. Didn't you get the memo, Comrade?

Posted by: Drumwaster at February 10, 2009 01:50 AM (Ymor3)

45 "Americans want their health care high-tech, fast, and cheap.

That pretty much applies to any saleable product.

Posted by: cheshirecat at February 10, 2009 02:04 AM (2aPxr)

but but but

I thought it was the eeeeeevil Rethuglicans that wanted to take Grandma's health care!

This is...UNPOSSIBLE!!!!!

Posted by: Larry at February 10, 2009 02:12 AM (xa1/W)

47 Unfortunately, most americans (as well as most other western countries) see health care as an absolute right, not a product. Unless that changes, we will have a permanent "health care crisis". One that will not be allowed to go to waste.

Posted by: gebrauchshund at February 10, 2009 02:13 AM (ACDor)

48 Well, everyone was saying "how will all the working young support social security for the baby boomers?" I guess they decided that if they ration health care the baby boomers will die that much faster and they won't be taking social security. Remember when google wanted you to voluntarily sign up for electronic health records? Guess no one signed up voluntarily.

Posted by: hmmmm at February 10, 2009 02:27 AM (zplc6)

Tom Daschel, not even being a medical doctor, designed a system for rationing healthcare? no way. So he's being driven around ala 'grey poupon' while dining on lobster tails while at the same time telling me that condition xx no longer specifies any type of treatment? uhu. Imagine the scenarios this could bring. I don't see how this is remotely possible today. Politically or socially

Be a good Obama cultists and DIE a horrible painful death so octo-mom can be sent her weekly food stamps.

Posted by: John Frum at February 10, 2009 02:36 AM (skmdJ)

Alana re: message 6 Why?

Side bar. As I watched the premium of my $5000 deductible policy rise from $33 a month 25 years ago to its present $1000 per month, the one upside of getting older was in a few years medicarewould be available. Don't worry, I've paid plenty for my healthcare and for the healthcare of others. When I dissolved my tiny 2 man corporation the State of Ohio kept tens of thousands of $'s from the workmans comp. premiums I paid into and never once made a claim on. I'm lucky, in spite of it being difficult to plan for retirement when the dollar I earned at 20 is worth 10 or 15% of its original value at retirement age, I'm okay. So you guys bitching about old people not paying for their healthcare can fuck off.

You gotta love the Social Security premium that was originally only a few percent on the first few thousand of earnings has gone to 14% of the first $100,000. They want to raise the upper limit to any and all wage levels and then means test it because those who paid the most, obviously, don't need the money. Its my fucking money, whether I need it or not. They started this ponzi scheme. Its theft plain and simple, only the hard working and even rich people don't have sufficient numbers to grab a pitchfork and clean the Bullshit out of the halls of congress.

As the assholes who won't let even a percent or two of Social Security be invested in the stock market, they are trying to find a way to socialize you 401's and IRA's. Thank you 52%. Oh sorry I meant to say fuck you 52%

Posted by: Dan at February 10, 2009 02:55 AM (ygjiI)

51 They will not stop, they will not be complacent with the damage they manage to do until this country is a smoking crater. Only then will they sit back and smile, because then the United States will have been reduced to ashes by their hand but they will say it was Bush's fault so they can complain about that, too. These liberals are not happy unless they're miserable, and unless everyone else is miserable like them. They look not for solutions that uplift, but problems that will prolong the problems they can create more problems for.

After all, should the problem be solved, there would cease to exist the modern liberal.

Posted by: Bedtime stories at February 10, 2009 03:01 AM (KyqYb)

52 The best thing about this is who needs the care when they get older? The black males! So the dems are going to kill off one of there major voting blocks. Way to go OB

Posted by: Biker_George at February 10, 2009 04:18 AM (9BiU0)

53 As a side bar, my brother died in 1993. Every so often I get a phone call or letter requesting payment on his student loans(addressed to him). I had sent the state of NJ a copy of his death certificate within six months of his passing so they would know they weren't getting any more money. Now I just give whoever the address of the cemetery and use his plot # as his Unit # and give them the cemetery's phone #. Works until they sell the debt to someone else.

Posted by: red131 at February 10, 2009 04:28 AM (p9cod)

54 53 red 131

Any chance that your brother is still on the NJ voter rolls?

Posted by: PA Cat at February 10, 2009 05:59 AM (PGeV7)

55 I should also add I read an article a few weeks ago about a couple that kept getting harassing phone calls about their adult son's unpaid credit cards and other debts. He died about a year previous.

We were getting calls first from a hospital, then a collection agency every day, sometimes twice a day, for 6 months, looking to collect on medical bills accrued by some guy we'd never heard of. Every time, we'd tell them they had the wrong number and address. Every time, they'd say they'd removed the information from the system. We even went to the hospital and the collection agency. It took us meeting the presidents of each TWICE, in person, once with the deeds to the freaking house, to get it to stop.

Their excuse was "well, maybe that person lived in the house before you did".

We'd lived there for 16 years and were the first owners of the property after it was sectioned off from a bean field to create the subdivision we lived in (and my parents still live in).

It's shit like that, and the constant computer database entry and merge fubars I've encountered personally and hear about from my friends that deal with such things that scare me about this electronic tracking database. All we need is to have our personal information merged with random pedo #2453453, or some dude with AIDS, or even worse your records get wiped in a merge and they lose the list of meds you're allergect to, to fuck up our medical treatment. At least with physical records you can go "That never happened" they look at the records and see someone else's name on that sheet. With e-records it all just goes into your name, or someone else's, when they mess up. And that's not even mentioning the potential for abuse a-la Joe the Plumber.

Posted by: Ranba Ral at February 10, 2009 07:18 AM (VNi6L)

56 All citizens: please report to Carousel.

Posted by: tsj017 at February 10, 2009 07:29 AM (TV9JE)

57 I get at least one phone call a day over mom's unpaid debts, sometimes several. I even made a good will payoff offer of ten cents on a dollar to all creditors to make the constant harassment go away.

Every creditor declined my 1/10th offer, so I told'em "Good luck chasing the dead woman. That was the only offer you'll ever get from me and it just expired."

Posted by: Purple Avenger at February 10, 2009 07:32 AM (Ygf78)

58 I concur with Dan re: social security. It infuriates me that I will never see that 12.8% of my income ever again (I'm 26). Do you have any idea how much good I could do with that money? And even if I wanted to have a bonfire with it, it's MY fucking money. That should be my call, not theirs.

You know what I think the problem is? I think lefties assume that the rest of us give as little to charity as they do, and that's why they insist on government-funded charity. Last year, I was making very little money, I had to buy a new pair of hearing aids ($4400, no help from insurance), and I bought my first house. I still gave more money to charity in that one year than Joe Biden and his wife have given in the last ten years. And I don't mean slightly more. I mean 50% more.

Posted by: Mrs. Peel at February 10, 2009 07:55 AM (nSsz2)

Seniors were one of the few demographic groups to support McCain more than Bush. So obviously they need to be punished. It's all good, their numbers are about to explode in a few years.

Posted by: jarod at February 10, 2009 08:01 AM (A23Gx)

60 This is insane. Considering the close-minded dogma of medicine these days, it's conceivable that a successful treatment of my fiance's fibromyalgia will be denied or increase dramatically in cost.

And let's not forget that many doctor's don't understand hormone replacement therapy for men.

assholes!

Posted by: Mark at February 10, 2009 08:02 AM (UtJ/f)

61 Ouch, Mark. I have a professor whose got fibromyalgia, and she was talking about the costs one day. It's already bad enough...

So, who wants to take bets on how long it is before we see a new, official* eugenics movement per the early 1900's?

*by official, I mean out in the open, calling it eugenics, not the current "eugenics' existence will be denied if brought up in conversation but we still want abortions for kids who have a genetic marker that says they have a 15% chance of developing down syndrome"

Posted by: Ranba Ral at February 10, 2009 08:14 AM (VNi6L)

62 I won, so fuck off, racists.

Posted by: BarryO at February 10, 2009 08:28 AM (udP/u)

63 The current crop of elderly are useful idiots, though not as much as Christians who voted for Obama.

The "young workers" benefit from the program only in that THEY PAY INTO IT.

There is a reason we have millions uninsured: you don't generally need it from 18-30 years of age. Its not until we get kids or get older that health insurance becomes a priority.

Of course you pay into it all you life then when you NEED IT, its rationed to you.

Posted by: DavidM at February 10, 2009 08:31 AM (R/e5b)

64 "GET THE GOVERNMENT OUT OF MY UTERUS!!!

What's that?

Oh, never mind."

If Bush had pushed for a system, in as disingenuous a manner as President False Idol is doing here, where a bureaucrat under his control would be in charge of "monitor[ing] treatments to make sure [a woman's] doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate", half the country would be aflame.

Taste the Hopenchange!

Posted by: Bruce at February 10, 2009 08:37 AM (+Mc2f)

65
I'm kind of for it. Should clear out a lot of seats in congress.

On the other hand...

GET THE GOVERNMENT OUT OF MY DEPENDS!

Posted by: Dang at February 10, 2009 08:45 AM (Y5LIx)

66 The good news is that Jack Kevorkian just became a preferred ObamaCareâ„¢ "healthcare" provider, so all those problems with pain won't be a problem anymore.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at February 10, 2009 08:51 AM (Ygf78)

67 The bill is no longer porkulus ... based upon what it will do to healthcare etc, it should be called Destructulus!

Posted by: Wolverine at February 10, 2009 08:53 AM (gVt4j)

68 This abstract theory of cost effectiveness is appealing when you're 20, not so much when it's your demise being hastened.

The Tom Daschles of the world will always have health care. Due to their immense contributions to mankind (sarc), their cronies will always find it cost effective to provide their care. It's the rest of us who are expendable.

I wonder if palliative care will at least be deemed cost effective while we're under the death order.

Posted by: obladioblada at February 10, 2009 08:54 AM (NELG1)

69 Holy Shite Batman,

About the Senate's Health Care disaster for us older Ace acolytes, I just phoned the AARP and the nice lady didn't know anything about the provisions for getting rid of us older folks. On the AARP site they have a filled-in letter to send to your Senator and this is what it says about the health care provisions: ''In particular, I am very pleased that the legislation approved by the House: reforms health care through health information technology and comparative effectiveness research;''

I'm sure this provision will not affect those in power, like the Senate and the House and the President and his Cabinet. I'm getting pretty dam tired of these dihimiKKKrats and The One already, and it ain't even a month in yet.

I'm going to call the Washington, DC office (typically open from 9-4, ET) in a few minutes to see if they have any knowledge about this part of the bill.

Washington DC Phone: 1-866-554-5384

Phone them and give them a piece of your mind!!!

Posted by: TennDon at February 10, 2009 09:01 AM (o6Yv2)

70 Now here's how to kill a package of pork!

Posted by: William Miller at February 10, 2009 09:03 AM (snLLU)

71
Wasn't it the freaking Damn O Freaking Craps thet tried to push the fact that Bush was against old people?

Who the hell built this great country with the sweat off of their backs? "O" Dumbo Ears with his present?

Well hes HNIC now!

Posted by: Rick007 at February 10, 2009 09:06 AM (0wZTX)

72
Hey all you Dumb Fucking Non-Union construction workers, Wheres your Idol now?

Ha Ha Ha Ha .

Posted by: Rick007 at February 10, 2009 09:08 AM (0wZTX)

OT Did you hear what Beck just said? They are talking about rationing air travel? Dear God. I can't believe this is our country.

What is different between these last 3 weeks and the last 8 years? The left was scared of the possibilities, we are scared of the facts.

Posted by: outraged at February 10, 2009 09:20 AM (penCf)

74 They are talking about rationing air travel?

The notion was floated in Britain to [snort] counteract global warming.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at February 10, 2009 09:45 AM (Ygf78)

Don't assume you understand what will be eventually classified as "senior citizen" when the government has a monopoly on health care. My father got a cancer diagnoses when he was 57. His doctor was raised and trained in the Netherlands - a county known to be a cutting edge, "progressive" society. She told him that he was "too old" to justify spending the money needed to treat him. We were stunned and heartbroken. and spent a night as a family, cloistered together, deciding how to face our future. Fortunately for us, we were free Americans and rallied to give her a collective middle finger and moved along to a new doc. What would it have been like if we had nowhere to run but another government doc?

I will never, ever understand people who want and trust government control of their lives. These people are do NOT deserved the title of "liberal." They are leftist fundamentalists and quite dangerous to freeborn citizens.

Posted by: Ginger at February 10, 2009 09:48 AM (mFy2u)

76 Seniors, it's time to do your patriotic duty and just DIE already.

Posted by: tsj017 at February 10, 2009 09:50 AM (TBwnU)

77 TD @ 9:01:
I'm sure this provision will not affect those in power, like the Senate and the House and the President and his Cabinet. I'm getting pretty dam tired of these dihimiKKKrats and The One already, and it ain't even a month in yet.

Reminds me of that awful scenario they always forced on us in ethics classes: You are on the medical review board and can only provide surgery for one patient:

1. The 35 year old mother of three, known for her international humanitarian efforts and saving puppies.
2. The 45 year old single man with AIDs, currently living in a federal penitentiary.
3. The 60 year old chain smoking US Senator, who has CPD.

We all know the 35 year old better start getting her affairs in order.

Posted by: obladioblada at February 10, 2009 09:53 AM (NELG1)

78 TD @ 9:01:
I'm sure this provision will not affect those in power, like the Senate and the House and the President and his Cabinet. I'm getting pretty dam tired of these dihimiKKKrats and The One already, and it ain't even a month in yet.

Reminds me of the dreadful scenario they always forced on us in ethics classes. You are on the medical review board and can only provide surgery for one patient:

1. The 35 year old mother of three, known for her international humanitarian efforts and saving puppies.
2. The 45 year old single man with AIDs, currently living in a federal penitentiary.
3. The 60 year old chain smoking US Senator, who has CPD.

We all know the 35 year old better start getting her affairs in order.

Posted by: obladioblada at February 10, 2009 09:53 AM (NELG1)

79 Double post, mea culpa. Fingers slipped.

Posted by: obladioblada at February 10, 2009 09:54 AM (NELG1)

This should not surprise anybody. I've been yapping about this for about 20 years to my kids and anyone else who would listen to me. This is how Canada and Britain handle their nationalized health care, people! Doesn't anybody pay attention anymore? Or are Michael Moore and Oprah your only sources of information?

The elderly are the first to go. You have out-lived your usefulness. You no longer contribute to society and are a drain on the resources of your country. God does not exist. We are no longer made in his image. There is no sanctity of life. Life is dealt with in a triage mindset.

Posted by: katya at February 10, 2009 09:58 AM (oRJZj)

81 Thank God Drudge is headlining this right now. Maybe word will get out in time to stop this nightmare.

Posted by: Kensington at February 10, 2009 10:09 AM (90mpl)

Well, I may as well die. My Social Security is fucked anyways.

Posted by: SalvucciFumbles at February 10, 2009 10:11 AM (RYgzF)

83 What else is hiding in the thousands of pages that no one has read?

Posted by: obladioblada at February 10, 2009 10:15 AM (NELG1)

84 So, our health records will be kept digitally by the federal government
‘‘(1) ensures that each patient’s health information is secure and protected, in accordance with applicable law;"

Yea, I believe that......

"WASHINGTON – Hackers broke into the Federal Aviation Administration's computer system last week, accessing the names and Social Security numbers of 45,000 employees and retirees."

I assume others can see what's REALLY been happening over the past 2 weeks?

Posted by: bizjetmech at February 10, 2009 10:24 AM (lIKGg)

85 What else is hiding in the thousands of pages that no one has read?

I got about 1/3 of the way through the Senate bill before my eyes glazed over and I lapsed into a coma. Even ignoring all the "small stuff" (under $1B) its big enough to stop the replicators in their tracks and make them flee the Milky Way galaxy in horror.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at February 10, 2009 10:29 AM (Ygf78)

86 Dan @50 - well, I was refusing to believe it because maybe this really just meant doing heart transplants on 85-year-olds or something, and wouldn't really restrict more common, necessary care for older people.

I was also thinking that even if it did, it would apply only to those on government insurance (assuming there were still a thing as affordable private insurance), and even if not, you could still pay for the whole thing to get treatment on your own (and hopefully that wouldn't be too much).

Would that be true?

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