<font color="red">Cloture Vote: 61-36</font>

Cloture Vote: 61-36

The result is known-- except for how many squishes go along with this boondoggle.

By the Way: It's even more expensive now. It's up to $829 billion, ten billion more than the House bill it was "slimmed down" from.

Squish Bellwether? I haven't heard all the names and I'm not familiar with who's who among the freshmen senators, but the Republican senators I recognize are voting no. Kay Bailey Hutchinson, for example, is plainly a squish, but she voted no.

61-36. Final vote is 61-36. Not sure if we lost yet another squish yet or if Ted Kennedy cast that 61st. Three senators didn't vote -- I guess Gregg (abstaining), the undetermined senator from Minnesota, and one more. If it was Kennedy who was absent, we lost another one. If Kennedy voted, someone else abstained.

Another possibility is that someone like Mitch McConnell voted "aye," just to preserve some or other procedural right to ask to reconsider or that kind of thing. That happens a lot, and may have happened here.

Posted by: Ace at 05:45 PM

Comments

1 Ten billion more...good lord.

Posted by: The Obvious at February 09, 2009 05:52 PM (1g+FW)

2 do not tempt me.

Posted by: biscuiteater at February 09, 2009 05:54 PM (2JF/+)

3 It'll pass, and the deficit will be used as a reason to raise taxes next year. It's only been 19 days, you really think this wouldn't pass? Come on.

Posted by: lorien1973 at February 09, 2009 05:54 PM (IhQuA)

4 KB Hutchinson did the same thing with the comprehensive piece of shit. She wouldn't commit one way or the other until it was known whether her vote would make a difference. When it was obvious it wouldn't pass, she voted against it. Makes me sick that she's 'representing' my state.

Posted by: Cautiously Pessimistic at February 09, 2009 05:54 PM (ltwze)

5 61-36.

Real vote comes tomorrow at noon.

Posted by: LloydChristmas at February 09, 2009 05:55 PM (rRpzi)

6 The only squishies that I heard were the expected ones.

Special thanks were given to both Senators from Maine.

Posted by: mesablue at February 09, 2009 05:55 PM (5yNaE)

7 It's never too late to stop it or have a major impact on the bill, and a very effective way to do that is at my name's link. I've posted dozens of pleas like that before, and nothing ever happens, and I posted a variation of the latest plea to FreeRepublic and no one was roused enough to do anything.

The bottom line is that BHO and his allies are willing to get off their couches and do something. His opponents aren't. Think of it as Darwinism in action.

Posted by: How to stop it at February 09, 2009 05:55 PM (OLX6B)

8 Man oh man, this is fucking crazy. We have witnessed the largest bank heist in history and then they'll do it again with TARP II.

Posted by: CDR M at February 09, 2009 05:55 PM (TJoU6)

9 I'm assuming they have the 60 votes, but what happened to the tactic of forcing a "spoken word performance" of Spendulus Rex?

Posted by: Milesdei at February 09, 2009 05:55 PM (ACHxk)

10 I love how Spector justified his support for this abortion by saying that he also supports a balanced budget amendment.

Cocksucker.

Posted by: mesablue at February 09, 2009 05:56 PM (5yNaE)

11 So can we kick out these RINO's now???

Posted by: CDR M at February 09, 2009 05:57 PM (TJoU6)

12 Specter does not even know what fucking side he's on. I think this country is going to have some serious domestic issues soon with this when they realize that it's not what it's cracked up to be. Ammo sales are through the roof.

Posted by: CDR M at February 09, 2009 05:58 PM (TJoU6)

13 Is the final text of where all the money is going available to us peons yet?

This is a serious question, does anybody have a link to it?

Posted by: dan-O at February 09, 2009 06:00 PM (teb/C)

14 I guess the next question is will the House GOP still hold the line?? 3 Republican votes does not make it bipartisan.

Posted by: CDR M at February 09, 2009 06:00 PM (TJoU6)

15 Ninety seven people voted in the Senate and only thirty six of them understood even the most basic economics. A collection of numbskulls. Pernicious buffoons.

Posted by: The Obvious at February 09, 2009 06:01 PM (1g+FW)

16 No, CDR M, we can't. If we don't vote for the RINO's someone else might win. </sarc>

Posted by: Cautiously Pessimistic at February 09, 2009 06:01 PM (ltwze)

17 [Deleted, because seriously, we don't need vague threats bandied about, we aren't the Nutroots]

Posted by: Damiano at February 09, 2009 06:01 PM (cfKer)

A "lean" bill, Ben Nelson pronounces.

Like Sally Struthers

Posted by: payaso at February 09, 2009 06:02 PM (Qn5/z)

19 Am I correct now that they do not need a single Republican vote now going forward?? Or do they still need 60 tomorrow once the House and Senate have worked out their differences?

Posted by: CDR M at February 09, 2009 06:02 PM (TJoU6)

20 BHO voted present before he remembered he is President now.

Posted by: CAD Daddy at February 09, 2009 06:02 PM (U6x6j)

21 836 Billion Dollars, that includes provisions for - amongst other things - the socialization of American medicine by creating a central data base that doctors will be required to utilize, one that will allow eventually for the rationing of healthcare, particularly for our senior citizens, (as Rush discussed today)... can now be called "lean" with a straight face.

THINK about that - a centralized federally-controlled medical data base that will be kept "private," except (of course) when data is "accidentally" released about people like Joe the Plumber and Michael Steele. No, no privacy concerns there, huh, YOU FUCKING LIBERAL ASSHOLES. A naitonal ID card would be a menace, but THIS... why, this is not ever worth a bill of its own, but rather must be snuck into this gigantic glob of a liberal's wet dream.

I hope you liberals rot in hell, for what you want to do to this country.

Posted by: CoolCzech at February 09, 2009 06:03 PM (iafWn)

22 Fuck it, I'd rather a Dem sit in a Rino's seat. At least I KNOW which way they'll vote instead of getting stabbed in the fucking back. Either the GOP purges these dead beats or we need to start a real conservative party.

Posted by: CDR M at February 09, 2009 06:04 PM (TJoU6)

23 Damiano,

Respectfully, there 61 traitors on the senate. Please do not let the Dems off the hook.

Posted by: sears poncho at February 09, 2009 06:05 PM (uj/0b)

24 Good point Czech. We'll have people looking at our medical records like that chick in Ohio did with Joe the Plumber's records and giving them out to whomever they see fit. That'll go over well with the HIV crowd. What about those with herpes and warts. That'll mess up your online dating chances!!

Posted by: CDR M at February 09, 2009 06:06 PM (TJoU6)

25 >>>Am I correct now that they do not need a single Republican vote now going forward?? Or do they still need 60 tomorrow once the House and Senate have worked out their differences?

This has been something I've been wondering about. Common sense tells me that when the bill is reconciled, they have to invoke cloture again. But I don't know.

Does anyone? I'll email JackM. He knows such things.

Posted by: ace at February 09, 2009 06:06 PM (gEsIJ)

26 Where's James Bond when you need him? He was always punking Specter.

Posted by: ricky at February 09, 2009 06:08 PM (fEu9T)

27 From Coburn's site (sorry about the length):

� $2 billion earmark for FutureGen near zero emissions powerplant in Mattoon, IL
� $39 billion slush fund for "state fiscal stabilization" bailout
� $5.5 billion for making federal buildings "green" (including $448 million for DHS HQ)
� $200 million for workplace safety in USDA facilities
� $275 million for flood prevention
� $65 million for watershed rehabilitation
� $200 million for public computer centers at community colleges and libraries
� $650 million for the DTV transition coupon program
� $307 million for constructing NIST office buildings
� $1 billion for administrative costs and construction of NOAA office buildings
� $100 million for constructing U.S. Marshalls office buildings
� $300 million for constructing FBI office buildings
� $800 million for constructing Federal Prison System buildings and facilities
� $10 million to fight Mexican gunrunners
� $1.3 billion for NASA (including $450 million for "science" at NASA)
� $100 million to clean up sites used in early U.S. atomic energy program
� $10 million for urban canals
� $2 billion for manufacturing advanced batteries for hybrid cars
� $1.5 billion for carbon capture projects under sec. 703 of P.L. 110-140 (though section only authorizes $1 billion for five years)
� $300 million for hybrid and electric cars for federal employees
� $198 million to design and furnish the DHS headquarters
� $255 million for "priority procurements" at Coast Guard (polar ice breaker)
� $500 million for State and local fire stations
� $180 million for construction of Bureau of Land Management facilities
� $500 million for wildland fire management
� $110 million for construction for the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service
� $522 million for construction for the Bureau of Indian Affairs
� $650 million for abandoned mine sites
� $75 million for the Smithsonian Institution
� $1.2 billion for summer jobs for youth
� $412 million for CDC headquarters
� $500 million earmark for NIH facilities in Bethesda, MD
� $160 million for "volunteers" at the Corp. for National and Community Service
� $750 earmark for the National Computer Center in MD
� $224 million for International Boundary and Water Commission � U.S. and Mexico
� $850 million for Amtrak
� $100 million for lead paint hazard reduction

As a laid of IT guy who strongly opposes this beast, I don't see a single way this can help me or anyone like me.

Posted by: mesablue at February 09, 2009 06:08 PM (5yNaE)

28 @18 - So now we can squeeze, squeeze our way to a healthier, firmer economy.

Posted by: reason at February 09, 2009 06:09 PM (+hPIb)

29 By the way, that was a gay ass salute that Obama rendered before getting on Marine One today. I bet he has written on his hand which one to salute with! Probably why he hit his head. So focused on his palm prompter.

Posted by: CDR M at February 09, 2009 06:10 PM (TJoU6)

Makes me sick that she's 'representing' my state.

For a state that's so solid in some ways, Texas gives us some squishy GOP politicians. E.g. Perry, Bush, KBH.

Posted by: flenser at February 09, 2009 06:10 PM (jABQt)

31 Once the government takes over all medical records and controls medical care. Do you honestly think, similar to the USSR, those whom don't follow the party line will be allowed to remain outside of mental institutions?

Hell they'll probably move to sterilize all conservative males and abort our children to meet their demographic targets. It'll probably be justified as some sort of 'green population control initiative'.

Sounds bat shit crazy, but the actions of the government in the past three weeks, don't make me to optimistic about future decisions being grounded in any realm of sanity.

Posted by: Blue Falcon at February 09, 2009 06:11 PM (SMD8k)

32 This is a serious question, does anybody have a link to it?

Posted by: dan-O at February 09, 2009 06:00 PM (teb/C)

Have fun
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.+1:

Posted by: A. Weasel at February 09, 2009 06:12 PM (bqcfE)

Supposedly some of the "moderate" Dems were going to vote against this. Just goes to show you what "moderate" really means.

Posted by: flenser at February 09, 2009 06:12 PM (jABQt)

34 Wait until you try to get life insurance. I bet you a million dollars that the insurance companies will know more about your medical record than you will and it will cost you.

Posted by: CDR M at February 09, 2009 06:12 PM (TJoU6)

Y'all will love this:

For Immediate Release February 2, 2009
January 27, 2009
Presidential Determination

No. 2009-15

MEMORANDUM FOR THE SECRETARY OF STATE
SUBJECT: Unexpected Urgent Refugee and Migration

Needs Related to Gaza

By the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, including section 2(c)(1) of the Migration and Refugee Assistance Act of 1962 (the �Act�), as amended (22 U.S.C. 2601), I hereby determine, pursuant to section 2(c)(1) of the Act, that it is important to the national interest to furnish assistance under the Act in an amount not to exceed $20.3 million from the United States Emergency Refugee and Migration Assistance Fund for the purpose of meeting unexpected and urgent refugee and migration needs, including by contributions to international, governmental, and nongovernmental organizations and payment of administrative expenses of the Bureau of Population, Refugees, and Migration of the Department of State, related to humanitarian needs of Palestinian refugees and conflict victims in Gaza.

Posted by: myiq2xu at February 09, 2009 06:13 PM (Qn5/z)

36 flenser, now the "moderate" dems get to vote against the bill and go back to their constituents with their fiscally conservative cred. Senate only needs 51 votes to pass it.

Posted by: sears poncho at February 09, 2009 06:14 PM (1WJym)

37 Is the final text of where all the money is going available to us peons yet?

It's here if you can stomach reading it.

Posted by: mesablue at February 09, 2009 06:16 PM (5yNaE)

38
What's the problem?

Everyone knows that any successful business will borrow, spend, and hire its way out of a recession.

Right?

^right?

Posted by: Darling at February 09, 2009 06:17 PM (9PGpr)

39 So we started with $1.2 trillion deficit, are going to add $830 billion if not more, have at least another $1 trillion coming in a few days with TARP II, which a deficit of 22% of GDP (which is more than 7 years of Bush deficits). That's not to include next years deficit of at least $800 billion and over $1 trillion in extra interest. To top it all off by the end of Obama's first term the baby boomers will be retiring en masse sending the large SS surpluses into deficits. But hey, Bush was bad and the media tells us we hate him, it's all worth it to show him.

Posted by: jarod at February 09, 2009 06:17 PM (A23Gx)

40 So, who do we need to call to start proceeding to get rid of Collins, Specter and Snowe? There must be some immediate and firm recourse. Their votes for this are inexcusable. In better days, they would be publicly hung.

There has got to be something we can do about these assholes. I, for one, am cutting off all contributions and support to the RNC and anyone who does not publicly thrash these cockholsters.

Posted by: Damiano at February 09, 2009 06:20 PM (cfKer)

41 Thanks to Specter, Collins and Snowe, the lemmings have run off the economic cliff.

But look at the bright side. Democrats will no longer be able to use the phrase "It's for the children". Their actions today show them for the hypocrites they are.

They just fucked the next two generations and have embarked on a back-door implementation of social re-engineering.

Posted by: GarandFan at February 09, 2009 06:20 PM (237hA)

42
You know what we need? A monorail!

A monorail?

Monorail!

this spending bill = 10,000 useless monorails

Posted by: Lanley, Lyle Lanley at February 09, 2009 06:20 PM (9PGpr)

43 America is goin to wake up one day soon, with a sore asshole, lubed buttcheeks and a tender lump in the back of her head and wonder wtf happened last night.

Welcome to the New United Socialist States of Omerica.

Posted by: Adolf Gibbs at February 09, 2009 06:20 PM (rZa0e)

44 This is just insane. I keep waiting for some adults to finally show up and stop this but alas, we are doomed to repeat history once again. Will war with Iran be enough to get us out of this because we sure as hell don't have Nazi Germany to "stimulate" the economy.

Posted by: CDR M at February 09, 2009 06:21 PM (TJoU6)

Back in '92 people were going apeshit over Clinton's 30+ billion stimulus. That looks like nothing compared to this turd.

Posted by: The Oort Cloud at February 09, 2009 06:21 PM (nOQXA)

Is there a single Republican who is going to stand up and call bullshit on the claim that it was Republicans who caused this mess? Are they all gutless or stupid.

Maybe both.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 09, 2009 06:21 PM (VW9/y)

47 Keep pounding away. This monster still has to get out of conference. The Dems won't be able to help themselves. The outrages will pile up.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 09, 2009 06:21 PM (T0NGe)

48 Was listening to Burr (R-NC) again on the way home. Don't be surprised if Geithner asks for 2 trillion for the next TARP. Burr said it was a very real possibility.

Posted by: Jo at February 09, 2009 06:22 PM (oq7Qg)

49 So how much for reparations? Has that been formulated yet?

Posted by: Fritz at February 09, 2009 06:23 PM (ad8lc)

50 $1.2 billion for summer jobs for youth

Is brown a good look for the summer?

Seriously, what jobs are they talking about? Every store around where I live are hiring like crazy.

Posted by: Ginger at February 09, 2009 06:23 PM (VjELp)

51 I'm with you Damiano. What do we need to do to get rid of these 3 RINO's? I will not give a penny to the GOP until they purge these nitwits. Do they realize that not only did they fuck the country, they fucked their own party (unless of course they were going to switch to D anyway).

Posted by: CDR M at February 09, 2009 06:23 PM (TJoU6)

52 So what is the potential down the road (say 2010, 2012) where we could get back into majorities and undo some of this? Obviously would need 60 in the Senate if BHO is still the guy in the White House. I guess we would have to be willing to take away some of those "tax cuts" from those not paying taxes. How much of this undoable?

Posted by: CDR M at February 09, 2009 06:27 PM (TJoU6)

53 I feel like I am living in a dream high on morphine state. I can't believe what is happening to my country. When did personal responsibility become so detested?

Posted by: Ginger at February 09, 2009 06:27 PM (VjELp)

The crisis looms
upon our souls.
Give faith now.

the crises end
we must rejoice
I have but yet a tiny voice.

I bang my head against the wall,

than gather up before the fall.

Posted by: Biscuiteater at February 09, 2009 06:29 PM (2JF/+)

55 You know what we need? A monorail!

We already have a monorail in Detroit.

Yes, really. It goes in a big circle downtown around a bunch of abandoned buildings and bleeds money.

We call it the Mugger Mover.

Posted by: mesablue at February 09, 2009 06:30 PM (5yNaE)

56 Bush did some things I liked, and he did some things I didn't like. One of the things he did that I really, really didn't like was throw his support behind Specter during the primary season last time around.

Posted by: Ace's liver at February 09, 2009 06:30 PM (XIXhw)

$500 million for State and local fire stations

To do what? Give the engine, ladder and medic a wash and wax? That's about what it would pay for.

Posted by: ErikW at February 09, 2009 06:31 PM (hKtiw)

58 When did personal responsibility become so detested?

About 1995, that's when credit dept started out pacing income by something like 5 to 1.

Posted by: A. Weasel at February 09, 2009 06:32 PM (bqcfE)

59 Can we pay Canada to take Maine off our hands ?
A few years ago we could have given it away but now there's a conservative in charge and I doubt they'd take it without us greasing their palms.

Posted by: aubrey at February 09, 2009 06:34 PM (vk+LV)

60 Oh, and, nice legs, Ginger.

Posted by: A. Weasel at February 09, 2009 06:35 PM (bqcfE)

61 Can we give part of Michigan to Canada? Sorry to those who live in the Wolverine state.

Posted by: Ginger at February 09, 2009 06:38 PM (VjELp)

62 I dont care anymore, I have ammo and a 5 foot fence around my property. 7 when I put the razor wire up.

Posted by: Dan F at February 09, 2009 06:38 PM (78wW3)

63 Thanks, A. Weasel.

Posted by: Ginger at February 09, 2009 06:38 PM (VjELp)

64 Thanks A.Weasel for the link.

Maybe I'm not reading it right, but is the wording on the bill unbelievably vague?

Example: I'll walk you through some steps to look at a NASA item. I don't know how to get permalinks from the loc.gov link.

1) go to http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.+1:
2) Click on the #5 bill (the current one)
3) Search for the link titled "National Aeronautics and Space Administration". Click it.
4) Read the text for NASA. It is all of about 5 sentences, like: "For an additional amount for `Science', $450,000,000, to remain available until September 30, 2010."

Is this really as specific as the bill is? Funding for "science" in quotes? In other words does NASA have absolute freedom to spend this 450 million however they want as long as it is for "science"?

Just to be clear, this type of bill seems like a lobbyist's fucking wet dream.

Posted by: dan-O at February 09, 2009 06:39 PM (teb/C)

65 I'm trying to get hubby to buy some ammo, but he is such a procrastinator.

Posted by: Ginger at February 09, 2009 06:40 PM (VjELp)

So how much for reparations? Has that been formulated yet?

What do you think is going on? A rose by any other name and all that.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 09, 2009 06:40 PM (VW9/y)

67 Snowe, Collins, and Specter voted for it. And Kennedy was present.

So that makes 61. Snowe was waffling, but I guess she couldn't be outdone on RINO-hood by Collins and Specter.

Posted by: nighthaven at February 09, 2009 06:43 PM (ryiXN)

68 My only hope is that most Republicans will still distance themselves from this bill and all the others like it that will come along (this is only the beginning). The Democrats in charge are so greedy, so angry and so stupid that they won't be able to stop themselves from spending our nation into ruin - and the Republicans need to position themselves to take advantage of that when it does happen by not giving up in trying to futilely stop it from happening. If Republicans can stay on message as against this sort of irresponsible and insane spending they can hopefully prevent some of it and be the clear alternative when it all comes falling down.

Posted by: Bald Ninja at February 09, 2009 06:44 PM (4pdbX)

69 Congress is serving up a big old shit sandwich for YOU!

Posted by: huerfano at February 09, 2009 06:46 PM (knHvu)

70 #66 Oh. My mistake. I thought this was the "pay for play" reimbursement phase of The Global Heist.

Posted by: Fritz at February 09, 2009 06:46 PM (ad8lc)

The sad truth is that this crap sandwich is the change people believed in. What this bill really does is solidfy existing and create new Democrat constituencies.

A billion in summer job grants? Community organizers need resources to organize and energize the community. Check.

Billions for state fiscal stabilization? Government worker unions will see their employees secured. States will now become wards of Washington and further erode federalism. Centralization of power. Check. Check.

Deficits so high we can't but raise taxes just to meet debt service? Hide class warfare in the name of necessity. Check.

Any Republican who votes for this needs to be shown the door. Senators, why not just admit you are a Kos Kool-Aid drinker.

Posted by: Teleprompter Messiah at February 09, 2009 06:47 PM (+kP2/)

72 Maybe I'm not reading it right, but is the wording on the bill unbelievably vague?

No, you are reading it right.

My wife and I started going over it Sunday, there's some amazing shit in there. It's like a Lovecraft story, if you go in to deep, you go insane.

Posted by: A. Weasel at February 09, 2009 06:49 PM (bqcfE)

73 They will still need sixty votes on the final bill and sixty when the frankenstein version makes it out of committee. If you haven't called the three traitorous repubs who mortgaged our future there is still time to do so. Their desire to be seen liplocking the ONE's buttocks is disgraceful.

Posted by: eaglewingz08 at February 09, 2009 06:49 PM (qh8b9)

74 Specter, Snowe and Collins have helped Obama fuck all of us in the ass...God help us, now...

Posted by: Buck Naked at February 09, 2009 06:50 PM (utes0)

You know what we need? A monorail!

Somebody (JibJab?) needs to do a parody of the Simpsons' Monorail song'n'dance number about the Stimulus.

Posted by: The Band at February 09, 2009 06:51 PM (QtRBc)

The other point is that all of this is borrowed money. Borrowed from foreigners.

Lightworker's Magic Money Tree is made in China.

Posted by: Teleprompter Messiah at February 09, 2009 06:53 PM (30sQH)

And now, Rahm Emmanuel is in charge of the Census. And you guy thought I was paranoid for saying this was all planned as part of a far left takeover.

If I can just hang on about 10 more years, its back to the islands.

I'll miss you guys. Write.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 09, 2009 06:54 PM (VW9/y)

78 What ace? No flaming skull? what has this place come to man? I Demand a flaming skull!

Posted by: sithson at February 09, 2009 06:54 PM (K1+tY)

79 I'm embarrassed to live in maine. I never liked voting for those two before, but I'll never do it again.

Posted by: HHKirst at February 09, 2009 06:58 PM (1gkZi)

80 At this rate, there will be nothing left for Republican's to take advantage of. We will be done as a United States and will become something else that won't wait until 2010, 2012, 2014, etc. We will be too far gone down the socialist path to recover without some bloody fighting. The Dems have overreached and I fear there is internal violence a brewin down the road.

Posted by: CDR M at February 09, 2009 07:00 PM (TJoU6)

81 In case anyone wants to actually do something, I posted a very effective way to block the bill in #7 above. I really don't know why others would post impassioned appeals to block the bill here, since it looks like everyone agrees that it should be blocked. What's needed now is action. Unfortunately, I can't do everything myself. So, someone has to step forward to actually start organizing an effort to get someone to embarrass a supporter on video over the bill. A very good video - featuring a well-known bill supporter being "cross-examined" over the bill - would get hundreds of thousands or millions of views. Please spend your time on developing a plan to get that video. In order to do that, we need a large number of people to get out there with video cameras and with good questions. That means we need major bloggers to urge their readers to get out there. At the very least, contact major bloggers and urge them to support this plan. If you don't like my plan for some reason, then come up with an actual effective alternative plan.

Posted by: 24AheadDotCom at February 09, 2009 07:05 PM (CmcMj)

82 #80, "this is the way the world ends".

Posted by: SGT Dan at February 09, 2009 07:10 PM (/I/Y7)

83 OK, who's in DC that can do this?

Posted by: CDR M at February 09, 2009 07:10 PM (TJoU6)

You know who supported this bill? The US Chamber of Commerce, that's who.

Henceforth they shall be known as the US Chamber of Communists.

Posted by: flenser at February 09, 2009 07:12 PM (jABQt)

85 To think the entire Republican Party stood up to this en masse... but for three Quislings that have sealed the fate of the nation.

Shame, shame...

Posted by: CoolCzech at February 09, 2009 07:15 PM (iafWn)

86 $200M for Dept of Defense R&D....*all services combined*. Well, at least it's a little more than the $135M for Indian Health Services.

Posted by: Terry at February 09, 2009 07:17 PM (yGmLl)

there's a protest tomorrow in Florida. M Malkin has the info....Too bad I live in Ohio. But, on the bright side we are getting a downtown park in Columbus and a light rail connecting Cleaveland and Cinci because of the spendalus! Yahoo!

Posted by: outraged at February 09, 2009 07:29 PM (penCf)

88 See, there were things Obama could have done to make this "package" more popular with everyone:

IF you insist on the sort of spending he's talking about, then:

1. Greatly increase DEFENSE spending, on R&D but also production of aircraft & ships, new generation vehicles, etc. All those things:

a) Put money directly in the pockets of white & blue color (unionized) workers.

b) Support the country's industrial base,

c) Actually help make the country more secure

2. If you're ITCHING to put money directly in people's hands, support several hundred billion dollars worth of payroll taxes for middle class folks.

3. The $15,000 tax credit for new homebuyers seems like a good enough idea, Why not make it a $30,000 credit?

It's not like Republicans couldn't suggest ways to spend money. But of course... Barry "won," so he's too arrogant to even consider listening to suggestions.

Posted by: CoolCzech at February 09, 2009 07:31 PM (iafWn)

89 What 'kid' my age (20-3o crowd) is going to want to work their whole life to pay for this thing?!? Not me!

Posted by: '80sBaby at February 09, 2009 07:36 PM (zmiSr)

90 Military leaders might very soon have to start weighing when we have to act on our oath's to protect our Constitution. Obama has already violated the Constitution with the Census stuff. How much more before we have to act? I doubt anyone over the rank of 2 stars will have the stones to act since they are political creatures by that point. Seriously though, what would be the tripwire that would cause military intervention?

Posted by: CDR M at February 09, 2009 07:38 PM (TJoU6)

91 Cornyn was the second abstention. He's been going wobbly without Bush in the WH to stiffen his spine.

Posted by: Reiver at February 09, 2009 07:40 PM (+Je7m)

92 From the 48 to the 52...Go to hell!

Posted by: mare at February 09, 2009 07:42 PM (X1fsj)

93 I don't think Bo can get away with changing the census...it's in the Constitution.

Posted by: ford at February 09, 2009 07:48 PM (Ki7fm)

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