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Mr. Obama- You can't end wars, they are won or lost


My biggest fear about a President Obama was that he has a totally flawed view of what to do about our two ongoing wars. He was spectacularly clueless about what to do in Iraq and had we followed his bad advice we would have lost there. His continual demand that we "end" that war is symptomatic of his misunderstanding of the gravity of having US troops on a battlefield.

It is just this simple Mr. Wannabe Commander in Chief, and I say wannabe because while you hold the title you haven't earned it or the trust of the troops yet. The first SF team room I walked into had a sign over the Captain's desk that said "Shut up sir, we'll throw you a pen when we need you to sign something". That sign stayed up for every new Captain assigned to a team of seasoned NCOs to serve as their Detachment Commander, and it only came down when he had gained the trust and became the Team Leader. Well so far Mr. Obama you can hang onto your pen for a while yet. You have a choice to make about your BS 16 month withdrawal from Iraq campaign promise. It was BS when you first came up with it and it's BS now. Your military leaders came to you and told you this and we'll see if you listen to them or play politics. You, Reid, Murtha and the rest of the defeatocrats did your level best to lose that war and if President Bush wasn't a real leader you might have prevailed. I hope you have learned from that but you still seem to be lost as far as what the job of CinC entails. Well as a courtesy from this NCO to a new Commander, I will give you a very important lesson.

You can't end a war, you either win it or lose it.

Did you hear me sir? There is no endgame, no exit strategy, there is victory or defeat. President Bush knew that when he sent our troops into both Iraq and Afghanistan and Iraq. He also had the intestinal fortitude to stay and win in Iraq, when you were counseling retreat.

You also made a lot of noise during the campaign about how tough you would be in the "right" war Afghanistan. You claimed you'd invade Pakistan if you could find bin Laden and you talked about how Iraq was a distraction from the real battle against al Qaeda. You now face a choice about those promises and you have blown the first step. You brought in your military leadership and then asked them what the end game and exit strategy was. I don't know if anyone left a manual on your desk, but that is your job. You see Mr. President you are the one in charge and you are supposed to tell them what the goal is and what constitutes victory. Then they tell you how to make that happen. It's called civilian control of the military and you are the civilian in control.

So back to my lesson sir, you have to decide if you want to win or lose in Afghanistan. I know a bunch of folks have told you how hard it is to do anything there and they are right. Like many of your campaign promises things are a bit tougher to actually implement. The problem is that to win in Afghanistan will take time and you would have to actually stand on principle. You have yet to show any inclination toward doing that, so I worry you will make a token gesture and then cut and run when you catch some heat from your left. They cut you some slack while you were running about all the tough talk on Afghanistan. They knew that with your defeatist attitude on Iraq you needed the cover so you wouldn't come off like a pacifist. Well now you are the decider and the question is victory or defeat. If you choose defeat it will be yours to own, and if you choose victory it will take guts and the ability to ignore the howls to pull out.

Our military is not a tool to be used to further your political goals. I assume that is starting to sink in, and you still have to make the tough decisions. So man up sir, make the call and then prepare to stand by it. We'll see if the sign over your desk comes down.

Posted by: Uncle Jimbo at 01:25 PM



Comments

1

But...but...YES WE CAN!  YES we can.  Yes we ca...

So:  His poots really don't smell like lilacs?

The world is a cruel and dangerous place; wishing it weren't so does not change anything except make it worse.  Bloodthirsty dictators will stop at nothing to get what they want and it is an abandonment of duty to act otherwise.  The use of force to protect the interests of the United States is a solemn duty, and one not taken lightly by many (or most) of the citizenry.  And in the world of mature and responsible adults it is expected that  one learns from the lessons of history and that one does not attempt to remake that history to suit a political agenda.

This fellow in the White House is in far over his head and what we have seen is only the beginning of our trouble.  A great, hot, orange ball may be the result of his foolishness and we must do ou rpart by keeping a close eye on him and his clownish associates.

 

Dan Patterson

Arrogant Infidel

 

Posted by: Dan Patterson at February 09, 2009 01:35 PM (dwSs2)

2 MAN UP?  You ask Obama to "man up"?  The truth is --he is incapable of manning up--and we're going to be stuck with the aftermath.  Obama may believe that it is possible to pick up a turd by the clean end---after all he thinks he can do it.  On the other hand, I know that that is not possible--and that's what he is going to leave us with.

Posted by: Michael J. Myers at February 09, 2009 01:38 PM (UHTK+)

3 "I worry you will make a token gesture and then cut and run when you catch some heat from your left."

Bingo!  I worry that O! will do exactly that.  Its like Clinton all over again.

Posted by: kefka at February 09, 2009 01:39 PM (uTg5e)

4 Our military is not a tool.  Obama, of course, is one.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at February 09, 2009 01:40 PM (xQ52y)

5 Amen, UJ.

Posted by: the real joe at February 09, 2009 01:41 PM (2t2zK)

6 The man is a former Indonesian citizen, he's not "natural born."  He is not eligible for the office.  If this fraud forces a loss in Afghanistan and then gleefully bombs white Christians to show the poor muslims we're not their enemy the way Clinton did, I'll fuckin go to the brig before this usurper sends me on another deployment.

Posted by: ccruse456 at February 09, 2009 01:48 PM (GHJ3w)

7 But, but, but... sending troops to counties doesn't respect their sovereignty! And, and... if we win in Afghanistan, other countries may not like us! What will this do to our relationship with our Muslim friends, not to mention, how does this help Michelle's children?

Can't we just send them some Skittles and ask them to register as friends on our Facebook pages? 

Posted by: Damiano at February 09, 2009 01:56 PM (cfKer)

8 Let's face it, the military, just like the general public IS SCREWED!

Posted by: GarandFan at February 09, 2009 01:57 PM (237hA)

9 This is just the kind of racist distraction the country doesn't need right now. 

Posted by: Barocrates Hussy Nobama at February 09, 2009 01:57 PM (uiKEv)

10 I really do question his leadership. I, for one, don't want to be left out to piss in in the wind, and I don't want my guys to either. The military isn't a political tool, we are human beings, and we all have fears, hopes, and dreams like the rest of the American populace. Please make a decision and stick to it, you'll get more respect if you do, Mr. President.  If you don't, there will be fuckin' hell to pay.

Oh, and I saw some hippies protesting on Saturday next to the post office where I live, and all there Iraq signs were gone only to be replaced by Afghanistan signs. So much for principles, and standing up for what you believe in. They can fuck themselves.

Posted by: josh at February 09, 2009 01:59 PM (xngBB)

11
Nice Knights of Columbus sword on the wall behind UJ. Where's the Fourth Degree Chapeau?

Posted by: Steve (aka Ed Snate) at February 09, 2009 01:59 PM (X/a/u)

12 I have a big crush on Uncle Jimbo.  Very fine. 

Posted by: kevlarchick at February 09, 2009 02:02 PM (TNuqz)

13

Uncle Jimbo,

You're doing a great job, but PLEASE don't turn Ace's place into HotAir with nothing but video posts. Unless, of course, they include T &A, or Valu Rite, or hobo hunting.

Just a suggestion cocksucker,

Kemp

Posted by: Kempermanx at February 09, 2009 02:02 PM (qvT/A)

14 @13

Uncle Jimbo,

You're doing a great job, but PLEASE don't turn Ace's place into HotAir with nothing but video posts. Unless, of course, they include T &A, or Valu Rite, or hobo hunting.

Just a suggestion cocksucker  cockholster,

Kemp


Fixed it for ya

Posted by: Michelle Obama's Ass Crack at February 09, 2009 02:09 PM (zqzYV)

15 Uncle Jimbo, you've been rockin' this place!  Blackfive has been one of my regular haunts for the past year or so, and it's nice to have you kicking around here, too.  Thank you for your service, thank you for your insight, and thank you for your conservative vigilence.

Posted by: Jazz at February 09, 2009 02:12 PM (hnq5i)

16 Man up? Haha, Uncle Jimbo makes a funny.

Posted by: ck at February 09, 2009 02:13 PM (GvE5p)

17 Soldiers do what they are ordered to do and go where they're told to go, so to those few of you who claimed you wouldn't go on another deployment or whatever because you disagreed with our government's policies: find another profession. Soldiering isn't for you. Like the man said: yours isn't to reason why. Like or dislike, approve or disapprove of the Commander-in-chief as you like, but Obama--God help us--is President, and those of you currently on active duty or under commission have taken an oath. Honor that oath. Keep your mouths shut and do your fucking jobs. And you, Uncle Jimbo? The sword, dagger, martial symbols on your wall do not give you the air of authority you were no doubt looking for. By addressing your vlog to the President himself, you come across like a self-important ass who might actually believe Obama is anxiously waiting to hear you weigh in on Middle Eastern geopolitics. News, lightweight: he isn't.

Posted by: troyriser at February 09, 2009 02:31 PM (NfkMy)

18

You also made a lot of noise during the campaign about how tough you would be in the "right" war Afghanistan.

Going to Iraq was actually a stroke of genius.  We were already officially at war with Iraq but had an ongoing armistice that Iraq had violated on a daily basis. 

Iraq has a seaport.  Afghanistan does not; It is surrounded by Pakistan, Iran and China.  Iraq has open battlefields that the US millitary can dominate.  Afghanistan has mountains and caves. 

Bushes advisors predicted that the enemies of America would come through Syria, Jordan and Iran to Iraq to get an express pass to see their 72 virgin goats.  They were correct.

Strategy wins battles; logistics wins wars.

Obama=Amature

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at February 09, 2009 02:32 PM (Nwbo8)

19

Uncle Jimbo,

You're doing a great job, but PLEASE don't turn Ace's place into HotAir with nothing but video posts. Unless, of course, they include T &A, or Valu Rite, or hobo hunting.

Just a suggestion cocksucker,

Kemp

As Obama would say, "Let's be clear..."

Posted by: reason at February 09, 2009 02:36 PM (V40IZ)

20 Finally, a smart military blog!  Hear, hear, Uncle Jimbo speaking truth to power; and not in a hippy-dippy bullshit way.

BTW, I'll just tell you about this weekend.  I went to west Oakland to shop some foreclosure rental props (3/1 duplex is ~$140k, rents ~$1200 each).   This is my first venture into becoming a slumlord exploiter of the poor.  I couch-surfed on my fellow slumlord's couch.  But since he's poor (over leveraged) he's had to take in a hippy roommate.  And this is how I got to witness a hippy courtship ritual.  Man, these young hippy chicks are smoking hot.  Must be all the organic stir fry w amino acids ("it's like soy sauce, w/o the bad stuff!").  Anyway, the roommate gives her some rolling papers and stir-fry and later that night... stoned hippy lovemaking.  whee.  because i'm clueless i tried to shove some stroopwaffles (google it) down her mouth, but like a good courtee she declined.

Go Jimbo!

Posted by: Contributor X at February 09, 2009 02:46 PM (+bxIM)

21 ref. 17

"The sword, dagger, martial symbols on your wall do not give you the air of authority you were no doubt looking for. By addressing your vlog to the President himself, you come across like a self-important ass who might actually believe Obama is anxiously waiting to hear you weigh in on Middle Eastern geopolitics. News, lightweight: he isn't."

Fuck you Troy. My authority comes from having conducted counterinsurgency operations in three countries not named Iraq or Afghanistan and having studied the subject most of my adult life. I am a citizen of this country and that bastard works for me. I will damn sure address any complaints I have to him, and he probably ought to listen. So mind your fucking manners the next time you decide to mouth off to someone who has earned his spurs, you pissant.

Cordially,

Uncle J

I take your point Kemp, but I always feel the written rants don't drip with the same venom as the spoken word. I'm channeling Dennis Miller & Henry Rollins.

Posted by: Uncle Jimbo at February 09, 2009 02:48 PM (BDrES)

22

"I am a citizen of this country and that bastard works for me."

Lime'd for TRUTH.

Posted by: reason at February 09, 2009 02:51 PM (V40IZ)

23

I wish Uncle Jimbo had used Obama's correct title:

Chickenlittle-in-Chief

Posted by: sherlock at February 09, 2009 02:54 PM (8V5Ut)

24 #17 - News, lightweight: he isn't. posted by troyriser


Your pathetic little rant actually reveals you to be as much of a lightweight right along with your president.

Posted by: Cheri at February 09, 2009 02:54 PM (cz6lG)

25

 troyriser at February 09, 2009 02:31 PM (NfkMy

You sound like an asswipe and will soon get your wish that many of these soldiers will find another profession.  And Jimbo has more military experience and knowledge in his beer's backwash than the President has in his entire body.  

Posted by: polyspector at February 09, 2009 02:54 PM (m2CN7)

26 Fuck you in turn, Uncle Jimbo. I don't care if you led the charge at San Juan Hill, your vlog denotes an ego bigger than any camera could capture. And yes, taking a transcendental, idealistic mountaintop view, the POTUS is a public servant, and does work for us/you/me, but you know the channels it would take to gain his ear, and fucking YouTube isn't it. So you're grandstanding. Why? You pushing a book, or what? No problerm with selling a book. I'm all about free enterprise. Just don't disguise a marketing effort as a patriotic gesture. Second thing: you don't know shit about me. If you did know me, you'd know I wouldn't decry yours or anyone else's Service or opinion. I do, however, decry attention whores.

Posted by: troyriser at February 09, 2009 03:03 PM (NfkMy)

27 Didn't Bush just prove that you can't really "win" this war either after he said we won it years ago?

It isn't as clear cut as you want to make it. Iraq will not suddenly become a paradise that we can leave and say, "we won".

All we can do is help them as much as possible and leave. The rest of saying we "won" or "lost" will be subjective.

Unless of course the country spirals into anarchy. But that will also have a lot to do with Iraq outside of American involvement.

Posted by: driftwood at February 09, 2009 03:06 PM (Vig5H)

28 Polyspector, military experience isn't at issue here. Service, unfortunately, isn't a requirement for high political office in this country. In any event, Obama has a whole array of high ranking military experts and civilian consultants whose opinions are at his disposal at any time, night and day. Uncle Jimbo here isn't one of them. So when he comes out with this YouTube 'message to the President' video, he's being disengenuous. And if you read my initial comment, I was expressing disgust at some of the Service members on here who claimed they wouldn't go on deployment or wouldn't fight in wars with which they disagreed, and so on. That attitude pisses me off.

Posted by: troyriser at February 09, 2009 03:12 PM (NfkMy)

29 Hey Troy, do us a favor and go fuck yourself. Nowhere did I say I would not deploy; I support what ever he does as my commander and chief. All I said is, I question his leadership abilities. I do not want to be left to piss in the wind, so he can save his own skin politically, dipshit. Just because you're the president, it does not mean you automatically know everything, and use real people as tools for your own gain. The government is for and by the people, you self righteous prick.

Posted by: josh at February 09, 2009 03:14 PM (xngBB)

30

Troyriser, my husband is in the sandbox right now, and from the both of us, a hearty FUCK YOU, you chickenhawk pussy.  My husband damn sure does follow his orders, you cocksucking pissant.

The point of UJ's post is :

So back to my lesson sir, you have to decide if you want to win or lose in Afghanistan. I know a bunch of folks have told you how hard it is to do anything there and they are right. Like many of your campaign promises things are a bit tougher to actually implement. The problem is that to win in Afghanistan will take time and you would have to actually stand on principle. You have yet to show any inclination toward doing that, so I worry you will make a token gesture and then cut and run when you catch some heat from your left. They cut you some slack while you were running about all the tough talk on Afghanistan. They knew that with your defeatist attitude on Iraq you needed the cover so you wouldn't come off like a pacifist. Well now you are the decider and the question is victory or defeat. If you choose defeat it will be yours to own, and if you choose victory it will take guts and the ability to ignore the howls to pull out.

Our military is not a tool to be used to further your political goals. I assume that is starting to sink in, and you still have to make the tough decisions. So man up sir, make the call and then prepare to stand by it. We'll see if the sign over your desk comes down.

It's not that difficult to comprehend, but you don't quite seem up to the task.  I suggest you mosey back on over to HuffPoo where the idiots will think you are a real tough guy and an expert in how to shit on the military, which is what they are hoping to help their Dear Leader accomplish.

 

Posted by: conservative movement at February 09, 2009 03:16 PM (xyyHG)

31 One reason I'm now such a Debbie Downer (not that way morons, my man's overseas) is that I'm convinced Obama has no interest in supporting the military either rhetorically or financially in a way that will allow them to succeed in Afghanistan.  Since he isn't going to do that, I say we need to get our people the hell out of there so no more lives are lost and no more bodies are maimed for no reason.

Posted by: conservative movement at February 09, 2009 03:18 PM (xyyHG)

32

I do, however, decry attention whores.

Which is why you've embedded a link to your blog in your handle here. And have got a blog in the first place. Yeah, right.

Posted by: andycanuck at February 09, 2009 03:30 PM (rtZbL)

33

Service, unfortunately, isn't a requirement for high political office in this country.

Right on, Troy. In a combat zone. Hey, how many Purple Hearts did you take home? I snagged three... that I know of.

Posted by: John Effin Kerry at February 09, 2009 03:33 PM (rtZbL)

34 Hey troyriser you come across like a self-important ass who might actually believe I'm anxiously waiting to hear you weigh in on your explanation of your rant against Uncle  Jimbo. News, lightweight: I'm not.

Posted by: polynikes at February 09, 2009 03:35 PM (m2CN7)

35 "My biggest fear about a President Obama was that he has a totally flawed view of everything."

Posted by: baldilocks at February 09, 2009 03:39 PM (SDAu2)

36 "It is just this simple Mr. Wannabe Commander in Chief, and I say wannabe because while you hold the title you haven't earned it or the trust of the troops yet."

-- Actually, he has earned the title Commander in Chief because in our system the one and only way to earn it is to get elected President, which he did.

Posted by: sissoed at February 09, 2009 03:44 PM (JTUYj)

37 troyriser, I mean this with all love, but fuck off, eh? Uncle Jimbo didn't sign away his First Amendment rights when he signed up for the military.

Obama would be well served to actually fucking listen to his experts, not tell them what his decision is and that they need to give him some cover for his already made up mind.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at February 09, 2009 03:45 PM (1hM1d)

38 #34: snap!

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at February 09, 2009 03:46 PM (1hM1d)

39 For fucks sake troyriser.

If you don't want to watch a guy on youtube vent a little, don't fucking watch it then.  Problem solved.

Then we won't have to listen to your bullshit and feigned righteousness.

K

Posted by: Kestrel♠ at February 09, 2009 03:47 PM (Pfhxf)

40 I really should have taken a gander at TroyRiser's website before I bothered responding to him. He specializes in pastel drawings of the asses of hobos passed out drunk on the Valu Rite vodka he feeds them.

Of course I am grand standing FFS, and I don't expect the Obama to deign to read or listen to my rants. But as part of the loyal opposition, I am rallying the troops and generally fucking about. It entertains me and a few of the morons and that is good enough. It also stands as some decent advice to our phenomonally inexperienced phenom who now sits the CinC chair.

I also recognize that the fight in Afghanistan is a classic long war, and there should be no expectation of a classic big war surrender ceremony. My point to the leadership is not to go in half-assed to cover your political ass. Go in to win or don't go at all.

Cordially,

Uncle J

Posted by: Uncle Jimbo at February 09, 2009 03:50 PM (BDrES)

41

So Jimbo, Ace giving you a little on the side eh? Money I mean to come over and go slumming around with him. Of course if I know him he is paying you off in beer, which I guess is a win - win situation.

Ummm, what were you like, uh talking about in this post?

Oh yeah wars are won and lost. Well we still have the wars on poverty and war on hunger, and war on drugs, and war on AIDS, and war on [insert favorite social cause here].

You see war doesn't mean quite the same thing to liberals that it means to conservatives.

 

Posted by: Just A Grunt at February 09, 2009 03:55 PM (lKGt0)

42 ...sigh. See what I meant about a blog needing fire insurance?

Anyhow, Troy, I gotta add my own Fuck You from a former Marine and current Guardsman. The double standards and sheer ignorance you employing boggle the mind.

Soldiers do what they are ordered to do and go where they're told to go, so to those few of you who claimed you wouldn't go on another deployment or whatever because you disagreed with our government's policies: find another profession.

As if we hadn't been subjected to nearly eight years of having every deserter and coward thrown in our faces as principled, upstanding members of society who saw the eeeeeeevils of the Bush administration and refused to play along. Such nobility! Where the fuck where you then, chump? As a soldier, I will follow my oath TO THE LETTER, but I don't have to like the ass on top. They should have done the same. Your deafening silence on that speaks volumes.

Keep your mouths shut and do your fucking jobs.

Kiss my ass and go back to doing yours, you know- nothing douchebag. I've got two Iraq tours under my belt, I reenlisted in order to deploy, and I CHOSE to serve again despite grave misgivings about the man elected POTUS.

MOST OF MY SOLDIERS HAVE DONE THE SAME!

By addressing your vlog to the President himself, you come across like a self-important ass who might actually believe Obama is anxiously waiting to hear you weigh in on Middle Eastern geopolitics

You are either grossly ignorant, disingenous, or both. One: any citizen may address whoever the fuck he feels like using a legal form of speech (growing smaller by the day, thank you speech codes) as is gauranteed by our beloved constitution. You know, that antiquated document I swore to defend with my life (as did Uncle Jimbo and several other commentors on this blog)? Two: whether or not he thinks the President will respond is absolutely immaterial, as well you know. If it weren't (as you seem to pretend), what about every whiny protest ever conducted in the past eight years? As I recall, many if not most of them were addressed directly to President Bush and Vice President Cheney. To call a CITIZEN out for making a political statement simply because YOU don't like to whom it is addressed smacks of totalitarianism. Your mask is slipping, you might want to watch that.

BTW, if your only intention was to throw out a "soldier, shut up and soldier," you might want to work on your delivery. Frankly, you come across as a whiny, arrogant, know-nothing lib who thinks he knows better than those who've been there, seen the elephant and know just how rotten war really is. 'Cause here's the funny thing: THAT'S why they want our President to NOT bungle the whole national security thing. Not because we love war so much that we can't get enough, but because a bungled war leads to more and bigger wars down the line (as evidence, I present the Versailles treaty and WWII, Isreal's fight with Lebanon and their current conflict, Desert Storm and OUR current conflict. All cases where someone went either squishy or insane at a critical point which led to more bloodshed a few years later).

But until I get confirmation on your motive, the Fuck You stands.



Posted by: Militant Bibliophile at February 09, 2009 04:00 PM (bl4xn)

43 Why are the trolls back? Don't they have $800 billion to spend? Dear leader Obama is anxiously waiting for their good, constructive, pork-laden ideas, after all.

Posted by: IC at February 09, 2009 04:03 PM (jZNCU)

44  So when he comes out with this YouTube 'message to the President' video, he's being disengenuous.

Didn't everyone get the memo that commoners are forbidden from directly speaking to his royal immaculate holiness now? BTW welcome aboard Uncle J!

Posted by: liontooth at February 09, 2009 04:04 PM (n3pxb)

45

I wish Uncle Jimbo had used Obama's correct title:

Chickenshit-in-Chief

Posted by: sherlock at February 09, 2009 02:54 PM (8V5Ut)

I fixed that for ya sherlock....you are welcome.

Posted by: Old Hippie Vet at February 09, 2009 04:12 PM (3IZGh)

46 Such disrespect for the Commander in Chief

Posted by: John ryan at February 09, 2009 04:17 PM (LHCAa)

47 Confirmation on my motive, Militant Bibliophile? I use my real name on this and other forums, so you can check me out, if you like. I lead a transparent life and tend to be outspoken on my views, so I'm not hard to find. But yeah: if you're a soldier and you take an oath, honor the oath. You have plenty of time later, as a civilian, to bitch and moan publicly about the state of the military and the government and the world--but not while you're in uniform, so my 'fuck you' to those who claimed they wouldn't deploy or fight if they didn't agree with government policy at any given point still stands, too. And liberal? I haven't been one of those since I was young and stupid, and now I'm neither.

Posted by: troyriser at February 09, 2009 04:23 PM (NfkMy)

48 Such disrespect for the Commander in Chief

Posted by: John ryan at February 09, 2009 04:17 PM (LHCAa)

I'll call him anything I want to. What's he going to do, send me back Nam?

Posted by: Old Hippie Vet at February 09, 2009 04:23 PM (3IZGh)

49 Sure, johnny ryan I'm sure you never said ugly things about Pres. Bush.
Fuck you , asshole.

troyriser your "art" sucks.My nine year old does better pastel work on the concrete slab out back.

Uncle Jimbo, it's obvious you're over the target . Continue to 'get some'.

Posted by: aubrey at February 09, 2009 04:28 PM (vk+LV)

50

Troywanker, you are a truly clueless asshole. I have a simple solution for you. Don't like Uncle Jimbo's post? Don't watch it. Then go fuck your mother.

BTW how did your egotistical little run at UJ work out? Lumps on your head?! It's raining shoes in your neighborhood??!! The hell you say. I agree 100% with UJ's thesis. Don't use our military as pawns in some political clown show. Fight to win or don't bother. Obama has a proven track record a douche leftist. Troywanker has a proven record as a shoe magnet.

Posted by: Shaitan at February 09, 2009 04:29 PM (65WaW)

51 #17   " Soldiers do what they are ordered to do and go where they're told to go, so to those few of you who claimed you wouldn't go on another deployment or whatever because you disagreed with our government's policies: find another profession. Soldiering isn't for you. Like the man said: yours isn't to reason why. Like or dislike, approve or disapprove of the Commander-in-chief as you like, but Obama--God help us--is President, and those of you currently on active duty or under commission have taken an oath. Honor that oath. Keep your mouths shut and do your fucking jobs."

Wow, thanks for saying that for me.

Because I was going to point out how *exactly* Obama thinks this is true and how he doesn't get the "Shut up, Sir, we'll throw you a pen..."  thang.    And I'm sure that's exactly why Jim included it.   

I think it applies to any executive action from the President, not just issues that involve the military.   No one rules without the consent of the governed.   Obama isn't going to be the first person in History to which this doesn't apply.

I don't think that many people, particularly liberals without military experience, and certainly not Obama, understand just how NOT top-down the US military power structure is.

Posted by: Synova at February 09, 2009 04:35 PM (NxP4A)

52

Looked at Troyriser's blog. My God. 

To be the individual depicted on that blog is neither here nor there. It's his business. But, to be that person and go out of his way to pontificate to a soldier about the duty of a soldier - my God. 

Absolutely an Obama supporter. Absolutely a big bug. Absolutely disingenuous.

I have no military experience - at least I am who I am.  I can't imagine shooting my mouth off like that.

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at February 09, 2009 04:35 PM (w41GQ)

53

Shaitan (and audrey), my 'egotistical little run' at UJ, that pompous windbag,  didn't work out only in the sense that I didn't articulate my point very well, obviously. I came across more harshly than intended, but those sunshine patriots posting here got under my skin. From my point of view, you take an oath and you see it through, bottom line. And the art I make, Audrey? I do what I like and get paid for it--kinda sorta like that job you work at the truckstop.

This is the Internets, dumbasses, and I can't be successfully trolled.

Posted by: troyriser at February 09, 2009 04:41 PM (NfkMy)

Posted by: Biscuiteater at February 09, 2009 04:43 PM (2JF/+)

55 I have military experience, Wm T. Sherman, but I don't have a blog, so I have no idea what you're talking about. I have an online portfolio showcasing my commercial and fine arts work, but that's the extent of it. An Obama supporter? lol. News to me.

Posted by: troyriser at February 09, 2009 04:43 PM (NfkMy)

56

The Yanks, the Brits, and the Canucks have taken the greatest losses in Afghanistan and declared the greatest successes.  Does Obama think he can convince them to send more troops to be blown to bits by the cowardly use of roadside bombs?  Does he have the guts and/or charm (!) to get other NATO members (since it is a NATO undertaking) to do their part?  Something tells me the answer is: NO. 

 

Posted by: violet at February 09, 2009 05:24 PM (5kfJy)

57

Troy,

I agree with you about enlistees doing their duty.  If you were a little bit less of a dick about making your point and attacking UJ maybe people wouldn't be piling on you.

C'mon guys, anyone who draws naked pictures of a chick with a beer belly in crayon can't be all bad.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at February 09, 2009 05:28 PM (CiVat)

58 All right! Who broke the fucking blog.

Posted by: Shaitan at February 09, 2009 05:36 PM (65WaW)

59

Troyriser writes:   And liberal? I haven't been one of those since I was young and stupid, and now I'm neither.

Well Troyriser, I'll spot you that.  Would you settle for "mendoucheous?

The American military does do what it's told; but it, and every member in it, quite properly, reserves the God given right to bitch about it.

The Commander in Chief--even a rookie like Obama, or a sleazebag with a wife who couldn't bear to have a uniformed  officer around her, also has the right to order that military to go where he tells it.  And that means that some of those military personnel may well get killed. But still they go.  But they don't want their lives to be thrown away because somebody giving them orders is scared, sloppy or just stupid.  Right now I think Obama suffers from all three of those conditions.

Now the left is fond of bumper stickers like "Question Authority".  But the menducheous among them say that a soldier should follow orders and STFU.

But then they also say that only a poor dumb, undereducated bastard with no other options would go into the military.  So they can, in their lordly civilian mendoucheous nature, tell him to STFU.

Right now our military deserves a citizen population they can be proud of--but with all the Troyrisers living in the mix, they don't have one.   And yes Troy, I served--I never got shot at, but that's true for a large percentage of the American military.

Posted by: Michael J. Myers at February 09, 2009 05:39 PM (UHTK+)

60 Sometime I think a bunch of us are going to have to get a private chatroom going and compare DD214's just so we members of what Web Griffin called The Brotherhood know who is holding what cards.

Posted by: SGT Dan at February 09, 2009 05:41 PM (WHCOZ)

61 My oath was to the Constitution, Obama violated it by the act of being sworn in.  He is not "natural born" as the Constitution demands.  I'm not re-enlistiing and if the fraud tries to deploy me to a cause I don't believe in I'll exhaust legal options and go to the brig if necessary.  But don't worry Troy et al, all those young people will enlist when Obama asks them to I'm sure.

Posted by: ccruse456 at February 09, 2009 05:45 PM (GHJ3w)

62

This is the Internets, dumbasses, and I can't be successfully trolled.

My, my, my...hubris. I could hire a queer in troyriser's town to dip his cock in cyanide and the dolt would be gone by sunrise.

Posted by: Shaitan at February 09, 2009 05:47 PM (65WaW)

63 " You can't end a war, you either win it or lose it."

That has been the problem with the entire UN World Mindset since the victory in WWII.  We are determined to END wars not win or even allow them to play out completely.  This leaves a lot of undefeated, aggrieved, disaffected individuals and governments that think they can still press on to eventual victory.

Don't even get me started on the new rules for the spoils of war or the constant moralizing of the new historians...
David

Posted by: LifeTrek at February 09, 2009 05:49 PM (tJTIW)

64 Anywho, Uncle J, I think you were spot on about your advice to Obama. I also think he's hell-bent on transforming this country into the same type of shithole our forefathers were trying to escape in the first place. Good on ya, but Obama isn't listening, he's busy destroying our way of life.

Posted by: ErikW at February 09, 2009 05:54 PM (hKtiw)

65

#55 Troyriser

You have no idea what I'm talking about because in haste I called a web site a blog? How easily your brain is disabled.

In general you are remarkably exacting about what others do and say. It is petty.

Military experience. Fair enough. You and Scott Beauchamp.

If you don't wish to be taken for an Obama-infatuated poseur, I suggest that you don't act like one.

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at February 09, 2009 05:57 PM (w41GQ)

66 #56   This is all assuming we can even maintain access to Afghanistan at all.

Obama convincing NATO members to send more troops to help carry the load in "the good war" won't be worth snot if we've got no access through Pakistan and no bases we can use in Tajikistan or wherever it was we just lost permission.

Posted by: Synova at February 09, 2009 06:00 PM (NxP4A)

67 <i>We are determined to END wars not win or even allow them to play out completely.  This leaves a lot of undefeated, aggrieved, disaffected individuals and governments that think they can still press on to eventual victory.</i>

And for how long has Korea been a problem?

We should have deposed Saddam in '91.   Would have saved a decade (or more) of grief.

Posted by: Synova at February 09, 2009 06:01 PM (NxP4A)

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Posted by: Bra'tac at February 09, 2009 06:04 PM (DG56/)

69

I have a Remington 20 gauge sitting in my closet.

Really? What else ya' got in there? Men use 12 ga.

Posted by: Shaitan at February 09, 2009 06:24 PM (65WaW)

70

It looks like Troy is a genuine conservative, guys, but we assumed you were a leftie troll, Troy, because they're the first ones to accuse people of being chicken hawks, as you pretty obviously did to UJ.

Posted by: andycanuck at February 09, 2009 06:36 PM (TpHGM)

71 "Really? What else ya' got in there? Men use 12 ga."

I've since upgrade to the aforementioned manly gauge. The 20 gauge was a present when I was 10. Thus the request to see if it still worked. Haven't touched it in years.

Posted by: Bra'tac at February 09, 2009 06:41 PM (DG56/)

72 Wow!

Someone seems to have mistaken irrationality and stubbornness for leadership.
So when the bravado blows your cover what have you got left?

"Our military is not a tool to be used to further your political goals" Sorry that is exactly what the Iraq war is/was. Nothing more, nothing less! It would be a nice sentiment but you are too experienced to truly believe that is how real life works.

Did you hold GWB to the same standards your are holding the current president to? Ya know its only been a few weeks?
 
You rant is so full of prejudice (not speaking of racial kind) that it really has very little merit. But as you said you're just grand standing.

And before you all jump to conclusions about me, my service or my politics..........don't hurt yourselves ;-)







 





Posted by: Soulwhat at February 09, 2009 06:41 PM (MA4kD)

73

So, what have you been saying about GWB for the past 7 years, Soulwhat? (And links to blog comments would be helpful.)

Posted by: andycanuck at February 09, 2009 06:58 PM (TpHGM)

74 "Our military is not a tool to be used to further your political goals" Sorry that is exactly what the Iraq war is/was. Nothing more, nothing less!

Saddam was a politician?

That HAS TO BE one of the most absurd things I've ever read on the intertubes.

Posted by: frandsalterego at February 09, 2009 07:08 PM (GKyIE)

75

Did you hold GWB to the same standards your are holding the current president to?

Actually, they are. The vets here and all of the new enlistments and all of the re-enlistments (what, something like 90%?) over the past 7 years show that they did trust GWB. And, if anything, the critiques here and tehre were over not being aggressive enough.

So will you be holding BHO to the same standards that you held GWB to?

Posted by: andycanuck at February 09, 2009 07:14 PM (TpHGM)

76

Thanks for being here Jimbo, and I'm sure you can handle the blowback.

I can't swear to it, but I think General Patton would be proud.

Posted by: solitary knight at February 09, 2009 07:28 PM (nhCSU)

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Hey Jimbo,

You Da Man. Keep up the good work Jr.

Posted by: Old Hippie Vet at February 09, 2009 07:38 PM (3IZGh)

78 To all the trolls taking Uncle Jimbo to task for daring to question His Most Magnificent Awesomeness:  Whatever happened to speaking truth to power?

Posted by: Reiver at February 09, 2009 08:00 PM (+Je7m)

79 Great post, Uncle Jimbo. 
 

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Posted by: Calix at February 09, 2009 10:12 PM (ksAHQ)

82 Li'l advice, Troy. When you defend Obama from his critics on the basis of ego, it may be time to change your name and move.

Also, UJ wasn't in uniform.

Also, since soldiers "do what they're told," I assume that means you're unfamiliar with the concept of an illegal order. Which military did you serve in?

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Which military did you serve in?

Troy was one of  Chavez' Choad Hogs, before that one of Fidel's Fudgepackers.

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