1

Dude, it's all good.  Barack is back on the campaign trail.  We're saved!

Seriously though, this crap is bad, bad, bad.

2 Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.

- H. L Mencken

3 Let Obama buy the Recession.  Lets show that even a God King can bleed.

4 It would help if the media would report something other than how wonderful Obama is, how miserly and obstructionist Republicans are and how Spendulus will cause immediate wealth for everyone except evil CEOs, world peace and equitable distribution of unicorns.

Reporting on Spendulus= 100% and 100% positive
Reporting on Republican alternative bills= 0%

Until we can actually get the media to report reality, we are lost.

5 See, this is what drives me insane, WHY are the Congressional Dems vapor-numbers higher?  Who's been running this Congress since 2006?

Did I just imagine the last mid-term elections?

6 I would just call it a fraudulent Poll.....

Period.

7 Spin it that people like me don't approve of the way the Republicans are handling this because they are not demanding more cuts in the pork bill.

8 I work with some scary frothing liberals, and some genuinely moderate Democrats. The moderates did support Obama in the election. However, they realized last week that this bill was a sh*t sandwich, and are against it. However, they were not polled by anyone because they are actually working for a living and not home to answer the phone.

Something to at least keep in mind.

9

Eh, the American people are idiots now.  It's heartbreaking but true.  As such, IMHO it's time to get our military people the hell out Afghanistan and Iraq.  The American people don't deserve the sacrifice, and military families need our soldiers at home. 

The media in our country ensured the election of a horrible human being, with a strong assist from "true conservatives" who thought they were sending some kind of brilliant message by refusing to vote for McCain.

 

10 When we have to borrow to pay interest on our debt, it's all over.

11

America is hopeless.

12 WTF!?!?!?!?!

U.S. Taxpayers Risk $9.7 Trillion on Bailout Programs

13 Gentlemen, in the words of the great moral philosopher Bender Bending Rodriguez:

"We are so friggin' boned."

14 There's also the fact that the headlines have been: "Obama meets with House Republicans on Stimulus", and "Obama urges Senate Democrats to be flexible" or some other such bullshit.  They're framing him as being willing to negotiate on the size, and the others as not.  So its not really surprising that the average uninformed layperson is going to say "Yeah I like how Obama is handling this, he's being all bipartisan and stuff."

15 Just an alert that we will, as is often the case, get no political benefit from doing the right thing. Quite the opposite.

It's not just political benefit.  It certainly seems at the moment that doing the right thing, such as paying your taxes, obeying the law, living within your means, attempting to be self-sufficient, etc. etc. is a fool's errand.  I'm getting to the point that I can't bear to listen to the news because all it emphasizes is that I'm a fool for not standing there with my hand out. 

16

Repubs will get pilloried regardless of what they do. I'd like to see them all vote "no" on this in the Senate and let the Dems own this boondoggle.

BTW, I think there's a Rasmussen poll that shows some real opposition to the Obama-Reid-Pelosi Pork Package. Fight fire with fire. And let those Senate RINO's know their days are numbered if they vote in favor of this shitpile of a bill.

17 Its because the general public is completely ignorant.  Fiscal responsibility is a foreign term to them.

18 #9 The military people are the ones I feel sorry for. They're too good for us. All this nation does is craps on them.

19

Arlen always does this (as do the Mainerd Sisters).  They think they can get relected (and do) by being squishy on union/dem issues.

As far as the poll goes, this is one of those meaningless lead questions.  Afterall the public doesn't like the bill and O has played hands off.

There is a real angle for Republicans this time around in playing that the bill only benefits government employees.    They local state budgets are all being raped by public employee unions who will not give an inch.  The perception of a privleged class is growing steadily.  Even the local dem papers here in CT are noticing.

20 Why should I pay my taxes this year?  It's not like I'm planning on being a high-level appointee in the The One Lightworker's administration?

What's the point?  It wasn't a problem for all the Democrats until it was politically damaging to The Democrat Party.

21

The reason our numbers suck is our members, except for DeMint, suck.

If we stood up for something, we would get support.  McRhino and his Bullshit are killing us.

No Guts, No Glory.

Kemp

22 When you get reporting like:

Evil Racist Republicans hate your State and Your Children: 3 Reps Strip Billions in Heathcare Assistance and State Aid from Glorious President Stimulus Plan in the Name of Compromise, Rest of the Greedy Old White Men Refuse to Help You At All

polls like this must be expected. Remember, the majority of the public depends on 30 second soundbites during commercial breaks of American Idol and Wife Swap. These same idiots consider themselves to be well informed on all issues.

23

Its because the general public is completely ignorant.  Fiscal responsibility is a foreign term to them.

Why would they be fiscally responsible?...they've had unlimited access to credit all of their lives?  Most of them don't yet have any concept of having no money at all.

24 Maybe if R's stay consistent for a change, then and only then the public might believe them.  Right now, lots of people probably figure that the Rs will posture and then cave, and who's to say they are wrong?

25 The Gallup poll was taken on the 7th and 8th, when Collins and Specter were hammering out their deal. Meaning GOPers who were polled were probably pissed off at them.

I'd take the Rasmussen poll with a lot more standing.

26

How about a hobo hunting posts, I am sick of this depressing shit.  Let's drink some valu rite and hunt hobos!

YES WE CAN!!

Kemp

27 It's easy to explain why Gallup favors Obama's support for the bill Ras shows as being unpopular.

It's personal.

Obama's still in that 'give him a chance' phase, but the bill is an obvious turkey. It's a disconnect, yes, but it's pretty clear, too.  There's a good stripe in the center of the electorate that's able to engage in two opposing behaviors at once.

28 It's the wording of the poll. Didn't ask if they knew the details. Just how BO is "handling it". If they were asked, "Do you think the USA should spend $600 million on contraceptives", most people would cough up a lung.

29 This is just residual from the election that dems just won, they'll get higher numbers on everything for a while. Bottom line is, we're winning the argument, and three dipshit rino's can't change that fact.

30

Speaking of framing an argument, I wonder why the Repubs aren't comparing this pork package to a family who responds to a mountain of bills by spending beyond their means and accumulating more debt with more finance charges. The end result is the same, only the numbers are larger when done in Washington.

Another golden opportunity lost for the clueless GOP.

31

I question the intellect of the people actually polled.  I also think this poll contradicts the poll that says the majority of Americans think this stimulus stinks.  Can we have it both ways?  Americans need to wake up and do some of their own research before they jump into bed with this trillion dollar crap.  What are those polled going to think about TARP II as Ace mentions above. 

BTW I'm waiting for Harry Reid to now say he loves polls and supports them whole-heartedly. 

I'm so angry.  What the hell is going on and why are we letting it happen?!  Oh wait, we LOST so we must suck it up. 

32

Sooo how come Rasmussen has support for the bill at 37% - vs. 43% opposed...  I guess polls are like a box of chocolates...

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/

33 Solution:  All that vote for Obama's Circus should move to Callifornia and New York.  The rest of can live the American Dream.

34 If I were to spin it I would say the same that would be said of Bush's low numbers.

The Democratic Congress positive numbers reflect every staunch Dem plus some independents. Dems are not going to give a Dem a bad rating no matter what.  The Republican Congress numbers reflect a a certain percentage of Repubs and some independents. There is a very large percentage of Repubs, virtually all Conservative, who are not going to give a good rating to the Repubs and raise their numbers until many votes like those against the stimulus in the House happen. One vote is not going to cut it. Obama's numbers are good, but dropping rapidly, for the same reasons he won, good will alone.

The Republican party in Washington has got to get back to cutting government as their main goal with a passion, an uncompromisable passion. No compromise, at all on spending for social programs. Not nothing, but anything they vote for should be minimal and temporary by design. Just what is needed  to get the job done and there is a specific time period at which it ends.

35
Really?

Fucking really?

How does the public feel about Obama appointing tax-cheats and liars to his cabinet?

How does the public feel about that cocksucker-in-chief taking a 747 on a 155 mile trip?

36 Trish --- Currently, a majority of Americans blame Republicans for EVERYTHING.  The facts do not matter.  Polls constantly contradict each other.  Its because people are dumb.

37

Here is an idea:  Let the people who support the stimulus pay for it themselves.  I think it is a ruinous idea, and don't want, under the force of government, to have to pay for it. 

I have another idea:  Let's divide up the country into two.  The people who think socialism / collectivism is a good idea can take one side of the country, and those of us who understand that the economic freedom is the best way to ensure prosperity for the most number of people can take the other side.  Then we can see who is really right about these issues.

 

38 "...with a strong assist from "true conservatives" who thought they were sending some kind of brilliant message by refusing to vote for McCain."

Yeah.  We all know McCain would have not voted for things like bailouts.  Oh, wait, didn't he suspend his campaign and end up doing just that?!  Yeah.  Shoulda voted in that dumb bastard.  I voted for him, but really, c'mon, he's only gonna be a couple billion less socialist that Comrade Barry and the Unicorn Gang.

Refuse to sanction the stupidity by voting for the lesser of two stupid candidates, or two stupid plans.  Me-too-just-less-ism is for pussies.  Be a man, refuse to buckle to this stupid shit.  Don't pay taxes, consider the conditions under which our Continental forebearers decided armed revolution was necessary.

39 IF the economy improves.  With the amount of money being pumped into the economy, the Democrats had better worry about inflation just about the time the economy picks up.  Having a job is one thing, having your money devalued by 20-30% is something else.  Anyone care to remember the late 70's-early 80's.  People talking about a $50 ticket to see a movie?

40 Time for the Geithner Tea Party of 2009, be patriotic, don't file, don't pay! They can use their own damn money to finance their crap. Including their congressional pay raise during a recession!

41 You know things are bad when Canada is looking good.

42

I'm probably fuckin' stupid for asking this question on a message board inhabited mostly by morons, but who wants to hang out with intellligent people?

Anyway.....here's my thinking. I could pay off my morgtage, lock stock and barrell, by borrowing against my 401k. I figure with all of this spending, the fed will have to crank up the printing presses which will trigger some pretty staggering inflation. Which means that the $200k in my 401k will be worth low five figures ten years from now. Should I "invest" the money in something concrete figuring that the value of the paper will decline faster than driving a brand new Lincoln out of the showroom  into south Dallas on a Saturday night? Seems like the last time we had bad inflation, during the JC years, real estate was the only way to hold the value of your money. Whatchu financially literate morons think?

43 This close to the inauguration, a poll of anything about anything is going to have Obama beating congressional Republicans by a wide margin. This can easily just be a case of people giving their reflexive answers vs. actually looking at the way both sides are acting. Without knowing it's the latter, I honestly wouldn't worry too much.

44

The "economy" isn't going to recover anytime soon.  And that's not really going to help Republicans, either.

The dollar is in a very long, slow, unstoppable death spiral.  Watch for it to speed up when the world stops pricing oil in dollars and China starts buying more euros.

45

You know things are bad when Canada is looking good.

We just went though an attempted coup by the left and the Conservatives, being a minority government, had to put 'stimulus' in the budget to keep power...at least they get to control what it's spent on ie: infrastructure and stuff like that  Hopefully it's a short term thing.

46 The day this thing passes, I am cashing in my kid's piggy banks and buying food, water, salt, t. paper, soap, tooth bushes, etc. Their change is worth 50% more now than it will be in a year.  Coinstar is going to be making a killing . . .I know I'm not the only one that is going to be doing this. Except, I am smart enough to roll my own change. 

47

"However, they were not polled by anyone because they are actually working for a living and not home to answer the phone."

Bingo.

48 Actually to whatever extent you trust polls, the numbers tell a different story than the Gallup numbers seem to (and the press is trying to spin). The numbers are divergent: GOP numbers up, Obama and Democrat numbers down. What does that say?

49

Obama truly is the teflon dousche.

Rasmussen says 62% of public wants stimulus to be mostly tax cuts and only some spending. Obama is pushing the opposite, and still has support.

People is stupid.

50

if you were to spin the approval ratings? Come on, they are bullshit numbers inflated to make Zero look good despite the reality.

Screw Spector and Nelson. There is no defense for supporting this turd. The will pay the price

51 67% of The People may view Obama favorably, but the percentage of The People who think the stimulus is wasteful is approaching that number. Looking to The People for leadership is not an excuse. I'm sure a lot of people who want us out of Iraq also want us to "finish the job." A lot of people want free markets, and at the same time want to soak "the rich."

Screw the polls and do what is right. And after all, the fall from 67% is a lot more painful than the fall from 31%.

52

WHY are the Congressional Dems vapor-numbers higher?  Who's been running this Congress since 2006?

I got three words:  B. D. S.

53 I'd love to see the results of a pole that asks only Obama voters, "So, are you having voter's remorse yet?" Or, "On a scale of 1 thru 10, how badly do you think you fucked up?"

54 sorry poll, not pole ...unless we are talking about oBOMBa

55 BTW that is a stupid article by Peter Beinhart. No one remembers the Dems who voted for Reagan's tax cuts because they lost. They got eaten alive from within.

56 One thing that we will likely have this go-around that the 80s didn't  hyperinflation.

57 Republicans will learn to do everything in their power to cripple the MSM and academia or they will cease to exist.  Of course they'll probably out last the Republic at this rate, which I think, has been their only ambition. 

58

PG - wow, big question for a buncha morons!

- When do you expect to retire?

- What is your interest rate on your mortgage?  What would you interest rate be on your 401k loan?

- How has your house value been changing over the past five years?

Currently, I'm still repaying a 401k loan I took out two years ago to consolidate a bunch of debt.  I guess I'm pretty glad I did, because I was able to get a larger loan then than I would be now that my portfolio dropped a good 25%.  I'll admit that I'm slightly stupid on the details of 401k loans, even though I have one.  I know I'm basically repaying back on money that I already had saved away, and that makes me feel a little better about it...like somehow I'm repaying myself instead of a bank.

59

Or --

None of it matters politically. A lot can -- and surely will -- happen over the next 22 months, and no one will remember any of this by Election Day, 2010.

As for the Chief, he has until the campaign season in 2012, and he'll run uncontested in the primaries. So he has about three full years to let this fade from memory. A grave international crisis would surely facilitate that.

60 This is and should never be about poll numbers.

It is wholly about Republican cover for a deeply flawed pork bill. The Democrats have always had the wherewithal (majorities in both houses) to vote this bill into existence.

So, why have they dragged it out and taken so long to perform the inevitable?

Because they no that this bill has no chance of actually stimulating an economy. So, they want the useful idiot RINOs as cover and thereby point to them when the bill fails to do what it was sold to the American people as doing.

Why else do you think the Democrats have changed the name of the bill from stimulus to the "Economic Recovery...Bill?"

The economy is projected to rebound in 2Q-2009 anyway. That is why the Obama is trying to scare people into enacting this bill in February.

In reality, the bill is nothing more than a enormously large reelection fund for Obama 2012 and Democrats.

61

Anyone else feel like Monk?  Damb, I need a wipe....

62

Life is, in fact, a battle.  Evil is insolent and strong; beauty enchanting, but rare; goodness very apt to be week; folly very apt to be defiant; wickedness to carry the day; imbeciles to be in great places, people of sense in small, and mankind generally unhappy.  But the world as it stands is no illusion, no phantasm, no evil dream of a night; we wake up to it again forever and ever; we can neither forget it, nor deny it, nor dispense with it.

-Henry James, 1874

As conservatives we understand this.  As conservatives, we carry on.

63

Lets face the fact that the MSM will never be fair to any Republican (except the RINOs). The party has been portrayed as "obstructionist" since January 20 and will continue to do so. There is no downside hanging together on principles. We are never going to win over those guys. Better to simply mock the Lightworker and his fan club than give them cover.

If you really believe this is a crap sandwich (which it is), no use in cutting off the crust before taking a bite.

I have not given money to Republicans for years because I concluded they had abandoned limited government. Now, I will consider cutting checks to anyone who can knock off the RINOs.

 

64 Simply put...you cannot co-opt the media, you cannot be nice to it, you cannot count upon its better nature, you cannot co-exist with it, you cannot pretend it is a noble profession or exists for the good of the country.  You cannot divide your loyalties between it and your principles.   You can only put it down or let it put you down.  To this point the Republican's choice has been to play victim... not arguing just saying...  given time that will change, because there won't be any of them left.

65

I don't believe this poll. Even people I know who think Obama is a GOD on earth don't think the stimulus bill is being handled well. They are willing to cut Obama some slack because they loooooove him, but I don't think they would have said they approve of the way he is handling this. So where are these 67% of the people coming from? Also, remember he only won the election by 53% and I think there's been a drop in the number of independents who voted for him who still support him and an increase in the number of Republicans who sat out the election who are now saying "what the fuck have I done?" so 67% doesn't add up. At. All.

66 Another striking similarity between the stimulus bill and our past battles against amnesty bills is that the more the public learns about what is actually contained in the legislation, the more public support decreases and opposition to the bill increases.
I wonder what is in that stimulus bill we don't know about yet?

67

I agree this is mostly residual goodwill as far as Obama is concerned.  The key issue is not approval numbers today (who will care in 2 and 4 years) but who is making the better argument.  To the extent approval numbers matter the sharp drop in Obama's numbers and the improvement in the congressional ballot are more important than nominal figures at this point.  The people oppose the Democrats policies and so long as Republicans are positioned to say "told you so" in 2 years they will be fine.

Also, as I've mentioned before, don't count on a quick economic recovery.  Many countries around the world are falling into outright depression and when that hits us along with the Dems sucking all private investment out of the economy things won't be going very well.

Obama truly is the teflon dousche.

Rasmussen says 62% of public wants stimulus to be mostly tax cuts and only some spending. Obama is pushing the opposite, and still has support.

People is stupid.

Don't forget that since 2007 people have given the solidly Democrat Congress the lowest approval in polling history and what did people do?  Elect more Democrats.  Makes perfect sense.

Eh, the American people are idiots now.  It's heartbreaking but true.  As such, IMHO it's time to get our military people the hell out Afghanistan and Iraq.  The American people don't deserve the sacrifice, and military families need our soldiers at home. 

One of the things I wonder about is what will happen should the military conclude the country is no longer worthy of it.  I fear we are not to far from that day though barracks presidents can't be any worse than what the people are electing these days.

68

latter-day Francis Townsends and Huey Longs promising all manner of populist rescue schemes

Lemke 2012!

69 Well, that article makes the case that if the economy recovers, he's fine, if not, he's not.  Just think about this.  We are in this situation mostly because we spend what we don't have.  Now we are looking at borrowing even more to jumpstart the economy.  How the hell are they going to pay for that?  At a certain point the government will have to continue to pay for these programs.  What then?  Another stimulus?  Or raise taxes through the roof on anyone who actually makes a living?  I just don't understand the thought process of "this will either work, or not work."  No, it will either work, or we're fucked.  People need to stop treating this like it's just some petty cash sitting in the couch cushions.

70

the economy will get worse, the sheer amount of currency being dumped into the system insures that there will be inflation at some point, and since the amount is staggeringly huge the corresponding inflation will be equally huge. By the time B.O. runs for re-election we will be firmly in the grip of the disaster being caused by this cluster-f*** of a "cure"

god help us all

 

71 Mr. Obama is using ever-heightening hyperbole to hammer home his message. But the strategy brings great risk for the "Yes, We Can" man, who just three weeks ago told America in his inaugural address that despite "a sapping of confidence across our land," his election meant Americans had "chosen hope over fear."

President doom and gloom asswipe.

72 That doesnt make sense.  only 36% support the stim. bill, yet, the main opposition gets lower marks then the person and leader of the party wanting it. 

Either those polled are entirely retard <----   very likely

Or they just dont understand that the repubs are in the minority and opposing the bill, which brings me back to...  they are retarded. 

73 This poll is BS.

74 A point on Beinart, he's a South African liberal, meaning they lost the argument in 1948, to the founders of Apartheid, and never gained it back for 46 years; you know how weak your side has to be at all levels to lose that badly. the ANC wouldn't have turned to terrorism, and ultimately Mandela had been elected if the Liberals had brought not their A game at least the C game. Another point, FDR got everything he wanted and he still ended up with Townsend and Lemke and LK Smith, and the Depression didn't recover either.

75 By the way, Rush stated just a bit ago that an inside source tells him calls to Congress against the stimulus are 100s to 1, similar to the amnesty bill.

76 Compare/contrast the Gallup poll with Rasmussen; they are mutually exclusive. More often than not, Rasmussen is right. I say this Gallup poll is b.s. [Any poll that says that the Obama Administration has shown great competence is b.s.]

77

F the public. How were they supposed to handle it? When you are locked out of the negotiations all they can do is vote for it or against it. Thank god they voted against it.

78 Besides, why is Obama's approval rating in free-fall if he's doing such a brilliant job? I say no way. This is a poll designed to change public opinion, not to reflect it.

79 And of course also one of the problems Repubs have is people remember their initial support of TARP and figure now they've switched just for politics sake... I don't believe that is the case, but it is easy to make that case after the way they acted on the original TARP spending.... just saying.

80

Furthermore, by definition the Gallup poll is BS. There was nothing to handle! At no point were they allowed to "handle" the bill.

81

This debate over the stimulus makes us look so weak.  Our enemies see the lack of common sense in Congress and they are ready to seize the moment. 

I still say that we should fax, phone, e-mail, etc., during the Pres. speech tonight.  We should not limit our response to Congress.  We should contact our mayors, goveners, etc.  Spend the hour between 8-9 PM getting your opinions heard.  There are lots of sites that allow you to send free faxes, mass e-mails, etc.  While oBOMBa is on his soap box, we need to be on ours.

82 Can someone repost relevant fax and phone numbers?

83 Today Barry is saying that the 'stimulus' is the right size and scope yet last week he said he wasn't perfect. So is it just right or not perfect or is it just don't ask any questions and pass it?

84 Obama isn't teflon. When your popularity numbers drop about 1% per day in office, you're all hat and no cattle, not immune to criticism.

Again: if you must fixate on polls, look at trends not numbers. Where's Obama's and the stimulus polling headed? Where are GOP polling numbers headed? That's your story.

85

Feb. 9 (Bloomberg) -- President Barack Obama said the country can’t afford to wait for an economic stimulus while businesses continue to shed jobs, as he sought to put pressure on Congress to get legislation to his desk this week.

“We can no longer posture and bicker and resort to the same failed ideas that got us into this mess in the first place,” the president said in Elkhart, Indiana, an area hard-hit by manufacturing job losses.

Obama is going on the offensive to get economic stimulus legislation finished, using his personal popularity and the presidential bully pulpit to overcome Republican opposition and some second-guessing in his own party. He plans to hold a news conference tonight and other campaign-style events this week.

 

It's going to be 4 years of the traveling Obama show because the wanker has no idea on how to govern. Let's see how long this whiny bitch's personal popularity lasts. Well some zombies like the media will always be in adoration mode.

86 Also, if Bambi & his bill have all this support, why must he campaign for it? Why is he going on TV to lobby for it? Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

87

interesting, i have to say though that gallup has shown a clear bias with barry, on election day barry won i believe by 7 or 8% and most polls had it there, but gallup had it at about a 12-14% win for barry. also, every day when i check out gallup i see them with big headlines worshipping O with good poll numbers and taking shots at W during the transsision. Most polls ive seen have the stimulus supportat anyhwere from 37-45, yet gallup herelds some incredible support for it...funny. Plus Ace you keep mentoning Allah's HotAir posts, come on it's Allah. The guy couldn't say a positive thing about the side he claims to support if you paid him to, thus why only Ed is the reason i read HotAir. I wouldn't freak out too much, it's only the 1st 2 or so weeks in and this guy is already calling anybody who disagrees with him unpatriotic...not good. plus we're due for a 1 term president. all in all, gallup has shown clear bias IMHO more than any "independent" poll, O has approvals from 62-68 in average, preety average for a POTUS at this time into his administration after a non-tight election. that means even reps are giving him good approvals, but the way he's acted he won't keep that up.

 

ps: is it me or every time i turn around barry'smaking a speech? he does realize the campaign is over right? that now he must actually DO something.

88

The Democrats needed America to lose in Iraq in order to win.  Obama needs the American economy to crater in order to win, and he has assume the role of Chickenlittle-in-Chief to make it sure that happens, after which his friends get to pick up the pieces.

Congratulations, all you fuckwipes that voted for this asshole.  Seriously, I wish you ill, deeply and sincerely.  And pain, too.  Lots.

89 Yeah, polls like this have me wanting to slit my wrists.

I liked the Rasmussen poll a lot better.

90

It's going to be 4 years of the traveling Obama show because the wanker has no idea on how to govern. Let's see how long this whiny bitch's personal popularity lasts. Well some zombies like the media will always be in adoration mode.

the media turned on Carter, then when the great communicator came in to save us from that dofus, they had done too much to help him get re-elected. i still think they'll turn on barry but not much later when things are all screwed up, even chris matthews is starting to take little shots at O here and there

91 Republicans have a problem with mixed messages. This can change, but not easily.

If every conservative voice, including the ones in Congress and talk radio and blogs, started talking about the Thune Amendment (change the stimulus to no spending but give tax rebates for every tax filer in the amount of $5,000, or joint filers $10,000), and kept talking about it for a week, Republican approval ratings would shoot through the roof and Defeatocrat ratings would come back to earth.

92

Don't forget that since 2007 people have given the solidly Democrat Congress the lowest approval in polling history and what did people do?  Elect more Democrats.  Makes perfect sense.

you forget most people saw the R next to bush's name and it was a republican witch hunt all over again, plusmost reps didnt vote in 08, it was one of the worst turnouts for our side since 96, and a massive minority vote helped O as well as independents who bought the kool-aid. not to mention minorities run around thinking reps are always in power. don't worry with a dem in the white house it'll start hurting them, low approval numbers eventually hurt you...ask our side these last 2 years. case in point...the 94 mid-terms, ofcourse O can pull a clinton and comeback from a 94-like hit, but history says he won't...those are rare. as is 3 straight 2 terms presidents...last time that happen? jefferson, madison, monroe (our 3rd, 4th, and 5th presidents)

93 Oh, and I no longer trust anything.  From elections to polls.  It makes no sense to trust things which defy all common logic.

Particularly when you know about things like ACORN and foreign donations.  And the bought-off (or whatever) media, that reports only one side of things.  And when the government in power is working to shut off conservative media, and bring charges against the former president, among other things, such as power grabs, etc.

After a lifetime, I simply can't turn off my common sense and decide that either I've gone mad, or the whole world has suddenly gone mad.  Likely not with this particular poll, but I do think trickery is involved, on a massive scale, along with massive hubris and audacity.

Nope, I don't think it is me who has gone nuts.  I think the reason things don't add up is . . . they don't add up. 

Even when you factor in all the understandable reasons why most people aren't too informed on these matters.

It's a coup, and the American people are being scammed, so badly and in so many ways, it's hard to keep up with them all.

94

It's interesting that the GOP's actual positions are so much more popular than the GOP itself. I can only assume that this is due the media. The voters know what they want and don't want, but they are poorly informed as to where the parties stand.

The problem is made worse by the inability of the average Republican politican to explain the GOP positions.

95 The poll if accurate reflects demographic reality.

Blacks, Hispanics, and Women overwhelmingly support Obama's attempt to transfer money from White men to them. That's part of Robert Reich's "No White Guys Need Apply" for the spendulus bill, or the removal of work for welfare rules by Clinton, or the backdoor move to put in reparations for Slavery, or the various pork for La Raza and other stuff.

Mixed in with that is the US Magazine type blitz of Obama as Savior. He's all over the Media and Tabloids as the Messiah, so what do you expect. The audience of the View etc. loves that stuff.

But Obama is like Brad Pitt or Shia LaBouef. Beloved of women, hated by men. The more the Media pushes him as a teen idol dreamboat, (it's clear his identification with Congressional Democrats pushed them up) makes him just like those guys.

96 "They knew that with your defeatist attitude on Iraq you needed the cover so you wouldn't come off like a pacifist."

I prefer the term Quisling, thank you very much.

97

But Obama is like Brad Pitt or Shia LaBouef. Beloved of women, hated by men. The more the Media pushes him as a teen idol dreamboat, (it's clear his identification with Congressional Democrats pushed them up) makes him just like those guys.

well im a guy and i like Shia's work, im also hispanic and dont want white guys money and voted for Mac/Palin, and im 19, so that really made some dems mad i wasnt buying the kool-aid. i have to say though hype=downfall, happen to carter and might happen to O

98

I prefer the term Quisling, thank you very much.

if people stop buying ur hype soon after it comes down to action, as it did with Carter, i'll enjoy the term 1 termer for your ass in 4 years

99 flenser,

The average Republican politician...the one that gets invited on the networks, doesn't espouse Republican positions.  That's why they get on television.  And why they see no benefit at all in actually promoting those Republican positions.

100 If the economy recovers -- as it usually does

Usually it doesn't have a trillion dollar boat anchor attached to its ankle, pulling it under. I wonder what interest rate will be paid to those who actually fund the porkulus package?

101 I know that the media and the Democrats have been harping on Bush being a tyrant, that all miseries are a result of the failure of conservative policies, and they never had any input...

I know the Republicans never did anything to counter those easily-refutable arguments. (social security reform shot down by the left, McCain-Feingold, McCain-Kennedy, medicare expansion opposed by conservatives, NCLB opposed by conservatives, unanimity in support of the WOT, et al.)...

The stupidity of the electorate is astounding...  but then, all Obama has said thus far is that "we need bipartisanship", "we need speed", "previous failed policies", et al.  And the electorate is too short-memoried to recall the prosperity of the 80's-'08, not to mention the strong economic growth pre-progressive era and during part of the 20's, when those ideas were successful.

People turn to populist approaches when times get tougher, expecting the former bliss to be a permanent fixture.  I have much greater concerns that this left-wing insurgency is more than just a blip.  It took decades of stupidity to be corrected by Reagan.  Conservatives do not win if this fails; it will be spun into that it would have been if the conservatives hadn't shrunk it to an ineffective size.  Even if those ideas were shown to be triumphant, the Republicans still wouldnt because their outreach to voters is pathetic.

102 Yet another reason why I don't fly the flag anymore...if this attitude pervades thru the nation's populace, then I have nothing in common with the majority of the people who happen to occupy the same stretch of the North American continent.  

103 I think we need to push that new head of the RNC, Steele, to start identifying talking points and insisting they get pushed all over.

If there's one thing that I constantly hear from our side, it's "Why don't they mention [some simple, obvious thing that anyone could identify with] over and over?"

They need to start doing that.

104 Here's something positive.

I know that people are going to get tired of Obama yelling at them.  They're going to get tired of the pointing.  And most are going to get tired of the "preacher" style.

They're going to get tired of hearing the same phrases over and over ("failed policies" is one), and tired of seeing Obama everywhere they turn.  They're going to get tired of being constantly lectured by this guy nobody heard of two years ago.

Mostly, though, they are going to get tired of being yelled at.

Of this, I am certain.  (So let's hope he doesn't change his style!)

105 A few points about this crap Gallup poll.

1)  It had a sample of ADULTS, not even Registered voters.  Rasmussen's poll is among Likely Voters, weighted by Party ID. 

2)  Gallup had Obama up +11 in it's final pre-election poll.  Rasmussen was dead-on with +6 the day of the election. 

3)  Gallup is in the tank for Obama.  Rasmussen is not. 

4)  Rasmussen has been right in 2004, 2006, and 2008.  Gallup has been wrong EVERY TIME. 

Why do we continue to worry over a CRAP poll done by a polling firm that hasn't gotten it right in years? 

106

It will probably take 10 or more years before this monstrosity really blows up the economy and by then they'll just blame it on Republican deregulation or something (see Community Reinvestment Act/Fannie/Freddie etc).  Truly by taking over the teachers unions and making sure kids today don't learn shit in school liberals have created the unthinking/unquestioning masses they'll need in order to never be held accountable for anything they do.  I myself doubt that the economy will be much better by 2012 but Obama will still be reelected because the Media will simply blame the whole thing on some other yet to be decided bugaboo and the great mass of moron Democrat voters will nod their heads and keep marching in lockstep towards the cliff.  It's unbelievable to me, decades upon decades of unheard of levels of prosperity and quality of life and these morons are ready to chuck it for an economic/political system that has only ever produced poverty and stacks of dead bodies because of one recession (caused by socialistic government intervention in the financial markets in the first place). 

 

 

107 Alana, all conservative-leaning people were sick of that stuff as soon as he hit the national stage.  The one caveat I have to what you are arguing is that, to give an example, I have been sick of OReilly's and Hannity's schticks for probably 6 years now, but havent changed my core beliefs.  We can only hope that the squishy/winnable part of the electorate is only pro-Obama because they temporarily like his schtick.  If they have become convinced that Republican/conservatives do not equal prosperity, then we have a much harder road to travel.

108 Ace and Peter Beinart seem to think there's a reasonable chance the economy will recover despite passage of the stimulus bill and other actions Obama will take (like letting the tax cuts expire).

I'm not smart enough to figure out how that's gonna work. I think businesses will factor in higher tax costs, higher energy costs (the alternative energy stuff will fail) and higher inflation that everyone knows is coming. Some are not old enough to remember what happened in the '70's, including Beinart. I remember the conditions that led to the election of Ronald Reagan. I don't see an economic recovery coming. There are too many bad fundamentals.

109 Just a quick note on borrowing from your 401k...DON'T DO IT.
You are replacing pre-tax money with after tax money, and the way the accounting rules are setup there is no way to break out what is what afterwards. Therefore you end up paying income tax twice on money you borrow from your 401k....once as you are paying off your loan...and once when you get a distribution. 

110

I'll spin it for you Ace.  How many, who, where and what political persuasion did Gallup poll these numbers from?  I don't believe it is an accurate representation.

Here's an even better question, who is paying for the poll?

How about this, is there anything in this spending bill that will support the future work of Gallup either directly or indirectly?

111 The whole recovery issue depends on the rest of the world believing that the US will recover. If we enact the Spendulus, and everybody else sees the beginning of an American "Lost Decade" similar to the Japanese, we may not recover at all. If the world decides that the dollar is a bad bet, they will bail on us, and our currency will go to shit. Already, the Japs are bidding up the price of gold in the past month. Maybe they know something that we are ignoring.

112

I am supporting the economic stimulus package for one simple reason: The country cannot afford not to take action.

Does this asshole ever read the CBO report?

113 I still talk to people who think the R's run congress and are shocked to learn that the Dims could easily pass the piece of crap without R help.

And by shocked, I mean don't believe me at all. It's just some bullshit cause CNN isn't reporting it.



Ergo, we're fucked. The news blackout continues and will continue for the next 4-8 years. Public ignorance = Obama's awesome!

114

The spectre of death lay before them

The Democrat bill breathed its last

The GOP, let us adore them

Had vowed it would never be passed

Then happened expected behavior

A few GOPs joined their hands

And danced as the Democrats savior

Accompanied by tootling bands

The oompahs played Hail Pennsylvania

Accordions played Lady of Maine

Cheering Dems joined in the mania

With mostly Olympian disdain

The spectre of death had been banished

Replaced by the Specter of old

The GOP win quickly vanished

The vict’ry thrown out in Maine’s cold

So now we are stuck with Obama’s

Bloated old pork spending bill

That even your dads and yo mommas

Would recognize as stinking swill

What can we do with such people

Always on the other side

Why can’t they be swung from a steeple

Or staked to a beach at low tide

Of course that is frustration seething

Of course we’d do naught of the kind

But as long as there’s patriots breathing

I think we should keep it in mind

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Haven't had that combination in at least 20 years - maybe more like 108.

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I dunno, man.

I think the Republicans MUST oppose this, if only for purely political reasons.  This stimulus is going to pass, whatever they do.  If the economy recovers quickly and robustly and the stimulus appears to have succeeded, the Republicans are hosed.  The Dems will get all the benefits at the polls, because  Rep supporters will be seen as cheap imitation Democrats and Rep opposers will be labeled as trying to tank the economy, and both of those labels are losers.  The only way there's an upside for the Reps is if they oppose the stimulus, and the economy doesn't recover, or recovers very sluggishly-- then they can blame the Dems and the stimulus, and make the point that the Dems had a clear shot to do absolutely anything they wanted and they fucked it up.

119 The Meatballs Postulate: "It just doesn't matter if we win or lose."

Ah, c'mon Spaz, you know she wants it...

120 Japan tried this stimulus idea when their real estate market collapsed in the 80s. Because of their government stimulus efforts, the Japanese call the 90s the "Lost Decade". I daresay we are in for a lost decade if this thing passes.

121 Until we can actually get the media to report reality, we are lost.

They will not. Alternatives?

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