It’s Official…Dissent Is No Longer Patriotic

Mr. Obama called Ms. Collins and Mr. Specter, as well as Senator Olympia J. Snowe of Maine, another Republican expected to support the deal, to acknowledge they were acting against pressure from their party and, one official said, to thank them for their patriotism in helping advance the bill at a critical time.

Apparently not wanting to spend 800 billion to a trillion dollars (no one actually knows) is unpatriotic.

That of course is in contrast to the dark days of say, last year when voting to retreat in the face of the enemy in Iraq was a deeply patriotic act and daring to criticize the advocates of cut and run bordered on fascism.

In other news, we have always been at war with Eurasia.

Posted by: DrewM. at 01:05 PM

Comments

1 War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.

Posted by: DPR Hussein VIII at February 07, 2009 01:06 PM (4XUD3)

2 So much for courting NE "moderates".

Posted by: Sebastian I. B. O. Bunionstow, esq. at February 07, 2009 01:08 PM (NLtVk)

3 Liberal hypocrisy in action.

Is it time for another presidential election yet? It seems like President Fucking Moron Idiot Muslim Fascist Commime has been in at least four, possibly eight, years already.

Posted by: shibumi at February 07, 2009 01:10 PM (tZB/c)

4 The Obama boom reminds me of nothing so much as the dotcom boom -- trillions of capital invested in a business model with no rational way of succeeding.

Posted by: Johanna Hussein Lapp at February 07, 2009 01:10 PM (xqhoO)

5 As noted a few weeks ago, we have to neuter the conservative wing of the Republican party to preserve the standing of the NE wing of the Repub party. How far we've fallen from the model of John Adams....

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at February 07, 2009 01:11 PM (w4rJE)

6 Patriotism the last refuge of scoundrels. Heh.

Posted by: The Obvious at February 07, 2009 01:17 PM (1g+FW)

7 Oh and the sad thing is Spector and Collins will have the gall to pretend they are patriotic and most of the Republican caucus will agree with them.

Posted by: The Obvious at February 07, 2009 01:19 PM (1g+FW)

8 If I remember correctly, on my last visit to the to the doctor, they used a Collinspecter on my ass.

Posted by: biscuiteater at February 07, 2009 01:20 PM (2JF/+)

I'm in PA - voted for Specter his past three elections - fuck 'im.

Seriously, Specter won't survive a primary challenge from either Toomey or Santorum.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at February 07, 2009 01:23 PM (MKFU7)

10 Obama's true feelings about the spendulous.

From here.

Posted by: INCITEmarsh at February 07, 2009 01:24 PM (Ygy/Q)

Susan Collins and Arlen Specter are dead to me and should be to Michael Steele and the RNC, too. Is Olympia Snowe the third sell-out? If so, I bury her as well.

Posted by: maryanne at February 07, 2009 01:25 PM (A6Bqs)

12 Wonder what cheerleading school Susan Collins went to? Susan, we know you are wearing your "blue suit for televison" but the cheerleading is getting a little well, "old"

Posted by: hmmmm at February 07, 2009 01:26 PM (zplc6)

13 Would that proceedure have been a collinspecter snowostomy? Did they find any Obama polyps of the reid, kerry, pelosi strains?

Posted by: Dennis at February 07, 2009 01:27 PM (HPd5W)

14 Collins, Specter and Snowe.

Winkin', Blinkin' and Nod.

They're part of the "Jobs Squad" along with old Ben Nelson.

Pathetic.

Posted by: SlaveDog at February 07, 2009 01:27 PM (H6Jyg)

15 wonder how patriotic Specter will feel when PA votes his ass ouit of office! Go Toomey or Santorum or anyone who runs against that ass clown!

Posted by: Jim King at February 07, 2009 01:30 PM (ZM2Vo)

16 This has not been a good week in the sports world. First Phelps and now A Rod tests positive? No wonder he hit 70 home runs.

Posted by: hmmmm at February 07, 2009 01:31 PM (zplc6)

17 Hmmm,
For good or ill one can pretty much assume every baseball player on the field during the nineties was juiced. All sports flirt with the unsavory, baseball allowed itself to become an open sewer.

Posted by: The Obvious at February 07, 2009 01:38 PM (1g+FW)

Anybody up for two minutes hate against Sarah Palin?

Posted by: FireHorse at February 07, 2009 01:40 PM (5KNeJ)

19 As near as I can figure, "patriotic" to Michelle Obama means "that which benefits Barack Obama."

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 07, 2009 01:40 PM (PQY7w)

20 Yes but rooting against success in Iraq was actually rooting against the real enemy of America - Republicans - and for the only thing that is really important for any decent, patriotic American - power for the DNC.

Posted by: your Democrat party at February 07, 2009 01:42 PM (R+f+T)

1. Elect Obama.

2. ??

3. Proft!

Posted by: SGT Mike at February 07, 2009 01:45 PM (yxVII)

22 Firehorse,

Wrong site... you need to be at Hot Air.

Posted by: The Obvious at February 07, 2009 01:46 PM (1g+FW)

23 Republicans nearly killed me.

Posted by: Cher at February 07, 2009 01:46 PM (E3ea4)

Obama doesn't know the first thing about patriotism. He's a cowardly little weasel that can't back up his talk. He is an embarassment to America and the human race in general.

As for Specter, yeah, it's extremely unlikely I'll vote for him next year. I hope he gets tossed out in a primary.

Posted by: SpideyTerry at February 07, 2009 01:47 PM (9h/4a)

25 Republicans nearly killed me.

We'll try harder next time. Sorry.

Posted by: Republicans at February 07, 2009 01:52 PM (Ohodx)

26 Senator Sphincter takes great umbrage at posters who suggest his vote was unpatriotic, because it was simply motivated by his desire to suck O'Bambi's asshole.

Posted by: Fish at February 07, 2009 01:52 PM (CG+cG)

27 One of the most patriotic things to do is to vote Dims and RINOs out of office.

And to say, Fuck you Barry.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 07, 2009 01:53 PM (gWfQv)

28 It is patriotic to dissent to conservatism, you see.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 07, 2009 01:54 PM (i01iV)

29 Republicans nearly killed me.

Posted by: Cher at February 07, 2009 01:46 PM (E3ea4)

Nearly? Dammit. Can't Republicans do anything right?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 07, 2009 01:54 PM (gWfQv)

30 O/T: What the heck are 300 to 500 people doing on an "ice flow in Lake Erie" and how did they get stranded? (per Faux news breaking news report tht really was breaking news)

Posted by: hmmmm at February 07, 2009 01:54 PM (zplc6)

31
You know what's really fucking mindboggling?

Didn't Susan Collins get trashed by the Dems during her last reelection campaign in '08? Yet she takes the abuse and helps these assholes?

And how about Joe fucking Lieberman?

The Democrats (especially his colleagues in the Senate) have treated him like a piece of shit since '06 and Joe still caucuses with them.

Posted by: Darling at February 07, 2009 01:55 PM (+WJ5q)

32 Fish,
He accomplished both purposes. Multi-talented that Senator Spector.

Posted by: The Obvious at February 07, 2009 01:55 PM (1g+FW)

33 funny how the President who ordered charges dropped against those who bombed the USS Cole bandies about the word "patriotism"

Posted by: Jim King at February 07, 2009 01:55 PM (ZM2Vo)

34 No Jim,
It's not funny at all.

Posted by: The Obvious at February 07, 2009 01:57 PM (1g+FW)

35 Pennsylvania will never vote Specter out of office, nor will Maine get rid of Oly Snow.

Why?

Because just about the only people left in those states are people who are bitterly clinging to their unions, gubmint welfare and MSNBC or they are living off their trust funds. They vote the way their union bosses and Corruptocrat party machine ward bosses tell them to.

Just about everyone else has already bailed out of Maine and Pennsylvania and gone to Texas. At least it seems that way judging by all the "foreign" license plates I am seeing here.

Posted by: Nahanni at February 07, 2009 01:57 PM (S4wMM)

36 Don't miss the link at #10...

(insert usual screed about Obama here - my fingers are tired)

Posted by: turfmann at February 07, 2009 01:57 PM (4uQmv)

37 Absolute and unquestioning obedience to the Autocrat is the highest form of patriotism.

Posted by: kefka at February 07, 2009 02:00 PM (OZRiH)

38 O/T: Has anyone noticed that the comments sections on many sites have been unusually quiet this week?

Posted by: hmmmm at February 07, 2009 02:00 PM (zplc6)

39 "Apparently not wanting to spend 800 billion to a trillion dollars (no one actually knows) is unpatriotic."

...For example, the Ministry of Plenty's forecast had estimated the output of boots for the quarter at 145 million pairs. The actual output was given as sixty-two millions. Winston, however, in rewriting the forecast, marked the figure down to fifty-seven millions, so as to allow for the usual claim that the quota had been overfulfilled. In any case, sixty-two millions was no nearer the truth than fiftyseven millions, or than 145 millions. Very likely no boots had been produced at all. Likelier still, nobody knew how many had been produced, much less cared. All one knew was that every quarter astronomical numbers of boots were produced on paper, while perhaps half the population of Oceania went barefoot. And so it was with every class of recorded fact, great or small.

--"1984"

Posted by: George Orwell at February 07, 2009 02:00 PM (AZGON)

40 Looks to me like not paying taxes is patriotic ... I am all in on that, and by the way if the government can just print as much fucking money as they want, why do they need mine. Join the tax revolt, if you owe, don't file. Let them come get all of us.

Posted by: Wolverine at February 07, 2009 02:04 PM (o8qre)

41 Other than Drew, anyone left who does not believe Barry is a muslim? The only thing standing against the lie that he is a devout Christian, is his attendance at his new church. What was the name of that church again...?

We are screwed beyond belief...

Posted by: JS at February 07, 2009 02:05 PM (G5T2i)

42 What don't you fucking understand?

Posted by: Christian Bale at February 07, 2009 02:06 PM (g/h9/)

43 his church is the First Church of Murdered Babies and Muslim Ass Kissers....

Posted by: Wolverine at February 07, 2009 02:08 PM (o8qre)

Arod had to be using to keep up with wonderwoman Madonna! She is taking every drug she can to stay young, yet in her dance routines her pelvis is just freeky looking, looks like a skeleton dancing on stage.

BO is working his Alinsky props to move the country into facism. The first step in the loss of speech. Next will come his civilian army to spy on the rest of us. We need to fight this in a public format, and grab the high road right now.

Posted by: ford at February 07, 2009 02:08 PM (Ki7fm)

45 I don't think O! is a Muslim, I don't think he believes in a power greater than himself.

Posted by: kefka at February 07, 2009 02:08 PM (OZRiH)

46 What the heck are 300 to 500 people doing on an "ice flow in Lake Erie" and how did they get stranded?

Probably a global warming protest.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 07, 2009 02:09 PM (PQY7w)

47 This is something out of a cheesy movie. Obama is the evil emperor thanking the traitors for their duty to the people. The next scene is their faces in anguish over what they have done.

This is truly a shit sandwich because it achieves nothing. The CBO says it will make the economy worse, but unless the economy goes gangbusters before 2010, the massive deficits and pork involved here will be easy to run against.

I guess it's inevitable -- what president doesn't get his first legislative priority? -- but the way this was done, with two R votes in the Senate, none in the House and several Dem defections means that this is no victory for Obama.

The Clinton era is repeating itself. Between Carter and Clinton, we will see nothing new with Obama. I predict that Obama will not go the Clinton route and make overtures to the right to protect himself. Obama believes in his own righteousness, Clinton believed in his own survival.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 07, 2009 02:09 PM (i01iV)

48 Gibbs is on now telling us why Rahm Emanual should supervise the census instead of Gregg.. I guess they think Gregg is honorable and would not premit cheating..Rahm won't have that kind of problem. He should hire Blago right now, that way he could blame all the corruption of the lies he makes upon Blago ,again.

Posted by: ford at February 07, 2009 02:11 PM (Ki7fm)

49 This takes literally 2 clicks to complete.

Please vote on this gun issue question with USA Today. It will only take a few seconds of your time. Then pass the link on to all the pro gun folks you know. Hopefully these results will be published later this month. This upcoming year will become critical for gun owners with the Supreme Court accepting the District of Columbia case against the right for individuals to bear arms.
First - vote on this one.
Second - launch it to other folks and have THEM vote - then we will see if the results get published.

The Question is: Does the Second Amendment give individuals the right to bear arms?
Vote!

Posted by: sickinmass at February 07, 2009 02:11 PM (/i4dU)

50 http://defeatspecter.org

Woke up this morning pissed off that all of the calls, all of the contact forms all of it was for naught. I don't know if he is planning to run yet again or not, but it's never to early to get started. He must be defeated in the next cycle, he can not remain in the senate.

Maybe Toomey will challenge him again, who knows. I'd rather a Dem than this guy as my senator. Rumor has it that Franco Harris may run, even though he's a Democrat at least he helped win us a few SuperBowls.

Posted by: Specter must GO at February 07, 2009 02:15 PM (4ox4M)

51 >sickinmass: The Question is: Does the Second Amendment give individuals the right to bear arms?<

When I voted, there were 1,143,768 votes. 97% yes, 2% no and 1% dead undecided.

I'm not holding my breath on a USA article about this "quick question" poll. But that's just me.

Posted by: SlaveDog at February 07, 2009 02:17 PM (H6Jyg)

OK, we're nearing comment 50, so I thought I'd just say:

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LACE WIGS. LACE FUCKING WIGS.

That, and Obama's turning into a character from a Christopher Buckley novel (I know he's been kicked off the team, but some of his political stuff was spot on.)

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at February 07, 2009 02:17 PM (w4rJE)

53 The Question is: Does the Second Amendment give individuals the right to bear arms?

Well, that is an mucked up question - Rights pre-date the Constitution - The Constitutuion 'gives' nothing to the People, it does give certain powers to the Gov.

Posted by: Druid at February 07, 2009 02:18 PM (mdr+B)

54 Hey Thune where is my $5,000 check ....?

Posted by: Wolverine at February 07, 2009 02:19 PM (o8qre)

Does the Second Amendment give Michelle the right to wield her Batleth?

Franco's Conservative Army!

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at February 07, 2009 02:19 PM (w4rJE)

56 41 Other than Drew, anyone left who does not believe Barry is a muslim?

I don't think he's a Muslim. He doesn't have the modesty or the self-discipline.

But I can see why you're confused. He's a Muslim apologist. He has a romanticized view of the poor, oppressed Islamic people. It's much stronger than the view most lefties have because of Obama's daddy issues. He has a sense of noblesse oblige toward Muslims in particular.

A good analogy is the Communist era. Communist sympathizers were called "pinkos". Quite rightly most of them were not genuine Communists, they weren't underground "reds" but they couldn't muster the intellectual and ideological opposition to them and apologized for the less egregious sins of Communist regimes.

Since Muslims identify with the color green, that would make Obama light green. Say, chartreuse.

Of course, he's a pinko too. He's very much an apologist for Communists (his father wasn't a practicing Muslim but was a Communist if not in name, then in practice). So I guess Barry's light purple. Fuchsia?

Posted by: AmishDude at February 07, 2009 02:20 PM (i01iV)

57 sickinmass - technically, it grants nothing, it merely recognizes an existing right.

But we know what you mean.

Posted by: Merovign at February 07, 2009 02:24 PM (or0jG)

58 He's evil black. Darkworker

Posted by: sickinmass at February 07, 2009 02:25 PM (/i4dU)

I believe the term they use in Europe is "watermelons," green on the outside, red on the inside. But I do believe Ace has banned the use of the word "watermelons" on this site unless they refer to abnormally large breasts...I thought the joke was pretty funny myself. I told it to Michael Steele, and he laughed.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at February 07, 2009 02:25 PM (w4rJE)

60 Is he going to thank all those Dems voting against it?

Posted by: Vic at February 07, 2009 02:27 PM (f6os6)

61 I believe the term they use in Europe is "watermelons," green on the outside, red on the inside.

Some varieties of watermelons are yellow on the inside.

Just sayin'.

Posted by: SlaveDog at February 07, 2009 02:28 PM (H6Jyg)

62 Democrats are obsessed with the word "patriotism", and they are the ones who always use it. They either accuse the Republicans of questioning their patriotism, or they question the Republicans' patriotism.

Or they claim it's your patriotic duty to agree with them.

They've made a mockery of the word.

Posted by: Nice Deb at February 07, 2009 02:29 PM (L9mi3)

63 48 Gibbs is on now telling us why Rahm Emanual should supervise the census instead of Gregg..

If Gregg permits this, he is such a tool.

The intellectual gymnastics you have to do to argue that the Chief of Staff (doesn't he have enough to do?) should run the census instead of the duly appointed and confirmed Secretary of Commerce is astounding.

The insane amount of attention that Obama's administration is putting into this is telling you that they intend to cheat and cheat bigtime.

Think about it -- if you don't get counted in the census, so what? One Congressional seat here or there. As far as illegals, they'll get missed in Texas as much as California.

The census is just for apportionment. Right?

Posted by: AmishDude at February 07, 2009 02:30 PM (i01iV)

So on Monday evening, when they actually get to vote for this bill, they are confident all the Dems are going to vote in favor? I ahve been looking but I cannot find any comments from the Blue Dog Democrats on their new and improved bi-partisan piece of shit..

Posted by: IC at February 07, 2009 02:31 PM (dp7UW)

Well, we have to look at this shite sandwich as a done deal. What's next on the Lightworker's agenda?

It's best to prep the battlefield ahead of time so that you can generate a message to your esteemed congresscritters--all of the contention regarding this bill may have sounded like background noise and clamor to our easily confused Gang a Trois. What is Comrade Zero preparing next--is he going after the Kulaks?

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at February 07, 2009 02:32 PM (w4rJE)

66 Michael Steele reportedly fired nearly all the RNC staffers.

....insert popcorn munching noise here....

Posted by: torabora at February 07, 2009 02:38 PM (Tf8EQ)

67 IC @64. Yeah, see that's the thing. They call themselves blue dogs, but when push comes to shove, they'll vote the party line. Don't expect any Dem to vote against. People who vote for a Dem and expect a fiscal conservative are pretty fucking stupid (although the same thing can be said for most republicans nowadays).

Posted by: sears poncho at February 07, 2009 02:41 PM (uj/0b)

68 I wonder how many will vote for cloture but then vote against the bill. It will pass, of course, but I'm sure they can't help but remember Marjorie Margolies-Mezvinsky

Posted by: AmishDude at February 07, 2009 02:42 PM (i01iV)

69 anyone left who does not believe Barry is a muslim?

That's immaterial to the present situation. Suppose you discovered incontrovertible proof that BHO was a Christian, would that change your opinion of the mess we have before us? Of course not. Douchbag.

Policies and actions matter, everything else is irrelevant and makes us look like lunatics if we continue down that path.

Posted by: adamthemad at February 07, 2009 02:42 PM (aUyuV)

70 Putting the census under White House control makes this look more like a slow motion coup than a presidential administration.

Posted by: the real joe at February 07, 2009 02:43 PM (2t2zK)

71 Dissent is only patriotic if you're a liberal arguing with conservatives.

Posted by: Tom at February 07, 2009 02:48 PM (ayj45)

72 So - any guesses as to what the market closes at on Monday? By the end of the week?

Posted by: Jo at February 07, 2009 02:52 PM (r8swt)

73 I don't think Barry's a muslim, but I think Joe Biden is an escapee from Jonestown.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at February 07, 2009 02:52 PM (w4rJE)

74 To "The Obvious" @ 6: You probably know the person who coined this aphorism was referring to McCarthyism.

It's something of a comfort to watch the Republican party cement itself firmly as the 21st century's version of the No Nothings.

To the extent history is a guide, that's actually good news for true conservatives (as distinct from radical reactionaries): Once the No Nothings of the 19th century fully emerged, their presence on the national stage died out fairly quickly along with their base, and eventually what emerged was split of Democratic-Republican coalition that was formed under Thomas Jefferson into the two party system we had from Woodrow Wilson's first victory through to Barack Obama's first.

It's important to recall that in the intervening period, there were lots of short-lived parties, some derived out of sliver movements (for example: the Progressives, and the Farmer-Labourer coalition), and others out of electoral expediency (for example: the Bull Moose coalition). It stands in credit to the diversity of the American experiment that each of those movements and coalitions endures in some form even unto today, albeit typically as a remnant or an atavism or both.

The problem, as Ace recognized a few threads back (then, having quickly realized he'd stumbled in betraying his Know Nothingness, tried to retreat from), is getting elected at any time through the period of reformation.

Governor Sarah Palin of Alaska, for example, has shown a remarkable ability to energize most if not all elements of the Know Nothing base, particularly nativists (symbolized in McCarthy), Christianists (Robertson, Bush II), devolutionists (Nordquist), imperialists (Reagan), and executive unitarians (Nixon, Cheney).

That ability is something that many liberals, progressives, moderates and centrists (all of whom have at least a foot in Obama's coalition today) don't appear to appreciate. The 'Palin base' is not as populous as the 'Obama base', but I would expect the former is (Time and events may prove this out.) far more cohesive in terms of its capacity to re-form again (and again and again) under not just her but others; whereas the latter is far more a function of historical and social vicissitudes, some of which might (and clearly Ace and his Hole Cards are among many others on the right working to make this happen) might actually diverge under his presidency.

The problem with what I'll call here the "Ace Plan" (the effort I just referred to) is that it leaves out two sets of factors:

A) It leaves out several large elements, among them being Progressives and True (as distinct from Movement) Conservatives, and the amorphous Center that may (1932, 1964, 1984, 200

or very much may not (1948, 1960, 1968, 1980, 1988, 2000, 2004) coalesce into being a discernible factor.

Right now Progressives have a powerful big tent vehicle, mostly embodied in the Daily Kos, but also to some lesser extent in blogs at Fire Dog Lake, Talking Points Memo, Salon, the Nation, Mother Jones, and from there a boatload of individual (Hullaballoo, Eschaton, Balloon Juice, Jesus' General etc) and group (Open Left, Democratic Underground, Left Coaster, AntiWar etc) blogs which go to no pretense in their support of the "progressive" policy agenda for governance.

And right now the Progressive blogs are behind Obama. But if you bother to read them, they are watching his every move, because they don't actually trust him to follow up on some of his broad promises. They have their good reasons and evidence: despite the GOP PR effort, he was far from being the most liberal of Senators, and they are simply not able to forgive his vote on telecomm immunity on the FISA Amendment Act of 2008.

The Progressive blogs have their counterparts on the "Right". But those counterparts are split among the various elements of the Movement Conservative Base, very much unlike the unified Progressive blogs.

For decades, the National Review under WF Buckley, and to a lesser extent the Wall Street Journal, provided a means both to reach out to and to gather up True Conservatives. But with the death of WFB and with Murdoch's acquisition of the WSJ, both have ceased being effective in those functions.

Now the TCs are so inadequately served as a factor they have nothing to coalesce around, particularly since the presidency of GW Bush tossed out traditional TC values like incrementalism, long-view fiscal vision and managerial competence. As we know, it got so bad many TCs actually voted for Obama, on the notion that his pre-presidential image was so formlessly based on "hope" that it seemed more likely than the one chosen by the GOP candidate to allow for a return of these values.

The Soft Selfish Center is both the battleground and really seems not worth bothering defining. They're the folks who believe what's written in the local paper and that governance is something that just happens. They were for the Iraq War until they were against it. They're the folks who skew the polls into meaningless pretzels, always overwhelmingly negative on Congress but overwhelmingly positive on their own Congressional representatives; feeling strongly one way or the other about the particular sitting president but often just the opposite on what they understand of his policies.

B) Obama's deep understanding of the "Daddy's Home" image for the American president that starts in the Soft Selfish Center but spills over to some degree into most if not all other elements, plus his abilities in activating it. This guy isn't about instincts: he's about theatrical calculation.

But then, to a lesser degree, so was Bill Clinton. And despite the depth of hatred and despising of him on the Right; despite impeachment, for crying out loud, he left office with huge overall popularity, and with much of his mojo magic intact. The key is: he left office. He didn't stay on after two terms, like FDR did. He had to go, because of the constitutional amendment limiting presidents to 2 terms.

There is no getting around this Obama. He's got everything Bill Clinton had, with none of the negatives and more positives. The Ace Plan seems predicated on the idea that if the Stimulus fails, it can be made into Obama's Failure, and Obama limited to one term, like Carter. That's just silly; it wasn't the Right's ability to project Carter a failure that had him lose to Reagan: he lost on his own failures. FDR inherited the Great Depression, and it was still there when he was re-elected TWICE.

Even were Obama for some reason to die in office, he would be promptly martyred into a positive for the Dems. Look what happened when JFK was assassinated. The only reason LBJ wasn't re-elected in 1968 was that he didn't run due to the war in Viet Nam. As it was, Nixon barely beat Humphrey, no better than the Dems second choice, and with today's demographics Humphrey would have won anyway.

So what's happening now with the Republican party showing itself as the Know Nothing party is particularly perturbing, given that Obama and his gifts and his ability to hold the Soft Selfish Center alive or dead is going to be gone in 2016 regardless, in that it's so short-sighted and self-destructive.

Posted by: Diderot's dog at February 07, 2009 02:54 PM (TSTvF)

75 Uhh, Reader's Digest version, DD. None of what you say helps Michelle's children.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at February 07, 2009 02:56 PM (w4rJE)

76 That's exactly what this is... a slow motion coup-d'état, with permanent funding of ACORN and rejiggered Congressional districts, only the Democrats will ever hold power in DC. 2010? Are you kidding? With the games Dems are playing with voting (Franken, ACORN, unrestricted credit card donations to Unicorn websites), and the total war the MSM will wage upon Repugs starting late 2009, we will become in practice Mexico. With the PRI (DNC) holding perpetual power. It may be two or three decades before the Democrat Fascist Party crumbles from internal rot or enough people refuse to listen to MSM propaganda and start to think for themselves.

But I doubt it.

Posted by: George Orwell at February 07, 2009 02:59 PM (AZGON)

77 Pepto bismol is good for diarrhea, DD.

And Gregg would be a fool to take the job.

Posted by: nickless at February 07, 2009 03:03 PM (MMC8r)

78 Fuck those turd eating cock sucking mother fuckers. We are so fucked and the only avenue left is a fucking revolution starting with not paying any fucking taxes just like those motherfuckers. Now I feel better.

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at February 07, 2009 03:04 PM (79xNF)

79 Jo, I agree. The market closes on Monday. No more need for capitalism.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at February 07, 2009 03:05 PM (w4rJE)

80 "Boycott Maine ~ Socialist Sellouts" bumper stickers up: http://www.cafepress.com/dissentfromday1.356305007

Posted by: ex-Democrat at February 07, 2009 03:07 PM (YPV4C)

81 We're marching on DC May 30th. . Sign the fuck up: www.resistNet.com

Posted by: ex-Democrat at February 07, 2009 03:09 PM (YPV4C)

82 This would be a good day for Pat Toomey or Rick Santorum to announce their candidacy.

Posted by: Wheeler at February 07, 2009 03:10 PM (iHCjy)

83 God dammit, still no fucking unicorns shittin' Skittles in this fucking stimulus plan!! WTF Over?! The least Sen Collins could've asked for before taking a bukkake to the face lead by Reid is a skittle shittin' Uni!!! Good god. GOP'ers are such cheap whores!

Posted by: CDR M at February 07, 2009 03:12 PM (TJoU6)

84 #81, I hope you can find a million pig masks.

Posted by: Dan Collins at February 07, 2009 03:15 PM (SohFK)

It's scary how this is unfolding like Braveheart...

When asked about the Scottish nobles who betrayed Wallace on the field...
Longshanks: I gave Mornay double his lands in Scotland and matching
estates in England. Lochlan turned for much less. Archers.

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