Roll Call: Voinovich Pulls Out of Negotiations

Link here. From Benson:

Sen. George Voinovich (R-Ohio) has pulled out of negotiations on a bipartisan compromise on the Senate's economic stimulus bill.
Three Republicans -- Sens. Susan Collins (Maine), Olympia Snowe (Maine) and Arlen Specter (Pa.) -- continue to negotiate with Democrats, but Voinovich's departure could make it more difficult for Democrats to reach the 60 votes they need to pass the bill.
Voinovich left a meeting in Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's (D-Nev.) office around 2:30 p.m., saying he did not believe there was a deal he could agree to on an amendment that would cut as much as $100 billion from the more than $920 billion measure.
"I've really tried to work on this, but the three things that it should be timely, that it should be temporary and it should be targeted, that was something that I looked at," Voinovich said. "It just doesn't meet my criteria, and I feel very sorry because I think the Majority Leader has his responsibility, and he's got his Members that he has to take care of."

Susan Collins also says she's not as certain the bill will pass as she was.

Related to that, I quoted Collins yesterday from a print report, suggesting that Obama had won her over on the size of the package. I've since seen her full remark, and she didn't really say that. What she said was that Obama had convinced her on the need for a large-size stimulus, but, crucially, she added she was not convinced that we needed a spendulus of the size that the House passed.

I figure she'll still fold. But she didn't already give it up the way I'd thought she did.

Many commenters are pretty sure McCain will vote for the bill. I don't think so. I could be wrong, of course. But he's talking quite tough against this bill and, furthermore, this bill goes against one of the few things he actually seems to care about -- reducing pork and wasteful spending. Since that, and the war, was pretty much the only thing he ran on in the fall, I think there's a pretty good chance the Great Compromiser will find this a compromise too far.

Lindsey Graham, who seems to be McCain's poodle, is talking very tough against the bill indeed, so I'd take that as a window into McCain's thinking as well.

I think the pool of defectors is now limited to Snowe, Collins, and Specter. While Snowe and Collins are annoyingly moderate, I think what keeps them in the GOP at all is fiscal restraint. (Please correct me if I'm wrong.) So I don't see them as certain defectors.

I have no idea about Specter.

The Unbearable Lightness of Biden: Totally prepared to be VP. On top of all the issues and debates.

I think my favorite moment in Vice President Biden’s characteristically peculiar performance before the House Democrats’ retreat this morning is when, having traipsed absent-mindedly into a discussion of his concern about the deficit, he seems suddenly to realize that he’s talking to a group that just voted to vastly increase the deficit, and the shifting of gears almost breaks the transmission:

Anybody remember a time when we're talking about, if we don't make some real changes, deficits that are a trillion two hundred billion dollars a year for as far as the eye can see, if we don't, ah, get it right, which you guys have already?

Posted by: Ace at 03:25 PM

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1 Why does the bill "need" 60 votes to pass?

Posted by: Slublog at February 06, 2009 03:26 PM (qjKko)

2 It only needs 60 for cloture, which I think Republicans will be willing to give because they want to get Dems on the record voting for this.

I think that Reid is requiring at least 60 votes before pushing this through because he doesn't want to jump off a cliff by himself.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 06, 2009 03:27 PM (Ekjw6)

Related to that, I quoted Collins yesterday from a print report, suggesting that Obama had won her over on the size of the package.

It's twue, it's twue!!!

Posted by: Lili von Shtupp Collins at February 06, 2009 03:28 PM (WsTw8)

4 It only needs 60 for cloture, which I think Republicans will be willing to give because they want to get Dems on the record voting for this.

Is anyone filibustering the bill, though?

Posted by: Slublog at February 06, 2009 03:29 PM (qjKko)

5 One down....2 or 3 to go!

Posted by: 2Nightmares at February 06, 2009 03:30 PM (CZoVx)

No fucking way their getting 60 votes on this crap bill.

Obama better stand up and start trying to scare us some more because, right now, this bill will not pass.

Posted by: Toad at February 06, 2009 03:31 PM (kOQDM)

7 Susan Collins will give it up like a drunken prom date. Same with Snowe. Throw Specter a bone and he'll vote "yes under the Scottish rules" or some such crap.

Maverick will probably vote yes on behalf of his good friend Teddy, who can't be there but would have voted yes if he could be. Just to be collegial, you understand.

King Barry will get his 60, damn them.

Posted by: The worst is yet to come at February 06, 2009 03:31 PM (8/DeP)

8 Did Voinovich cry when he announced this?

Posted by: John F Not Kerry at February 06, 2009 03:32 PM (HF2US)

9 Wouldn't it be hilarious if more Dems voted against the damnable thing than Republicans vote for it?

Posted by: Techie at February 06, 2009 03:32 PM (906oR)

10 Voinobitch is fighting to remove $100Billion? That's it?

Yo! Senator! There's still about $500Billion or so left there that needs to be eliminated.

So we've pretty much established that you're a whore, but why you gots to be such a cheap whore?

Posted by: wiserbud at February 06, 2009 03:33 PM (IHbof)

11 don't be surprised when the Republican party backs somebody to run against Specter. He's a man without a party after this vote.

Posted by: Jim King at February 06, 2009 03:35 PM (ZM2Vo)

12 I don't trust Snowe, Collins, Specter, McCain or Graham...all of them are "checking to see which way the wind is blowing" right now...If Reagan was still with us, he would have cornered all five of them and put a cowboy boot up their collective asses...

Posted by: Buck Naked at February 06, 2009 03:36 PM (utes0)

Techie, yeah, I almost pissed myself when I saw the votes in the House on this POS. All the bipartisanship was on the opposition side.

This is where the wheat gets separated from the chaff, to put it in Biblical terms. Or the rinos from the elephants. Republicans who vote for this stinking shitpile masquerading as serious legislation are just begging to be defeated in the next election.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at February 06, 2009 03:37 PM (ZGhSv)

14 I don't think it will have any chance of a filibuster. Just getting all the dems on record for voting for it should be enough to destroy them in the midterms and hopefully POTUS when this FAILS! It will fail too. We all know it will destroy any chance the economy has of rebounding. There are going to be a lot of pissed off people in America when they find out what's really in this bill. The MSM can only hide information like this for so long. We can use Edwards baby as an example.

Posted by: 2Nightmares at February 06, 2009 03:38 PM (CZoVx)

15 That's a good sign, if even an easily-rolled dolt like Voinovich won't vote for it.

Posted by: Bud Norton at February 06, 2009 03:38 PM (6cOMd)

President Barack Obama said rising U.S. unemployment shows the urgent need for government action on the economy and any delay of his stimulus plan in Congress would be “inexcusable and irresponsible.”

But wasting all of that money is responsible? Barry sounds more and more like a spoiled brat every day.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 06, 2009 03:40 PM (1Jaio)

17 Now is the time to call and email your worthless senators.

They are worthless because we shouldn't have to write them to shun this disastrous bill. Shut this mother down. No negotiating. No coming up with another equally as dumb bill. Shut it down and stall.

Posted by: mare at February 06, 2009 03:40 PM (X1fsj)

18 And John Kyl is doing what right now ?! He should Whipping the crap out of these three to bring them back, though he should probably focus on Specter since he's the most easily compromised. Offer his sorry ass anything to get him off of this piece of crap.

Posted by: The worst is yet to come at February 06, 2009 03:41 PM (8/DeP)

19 OK, but stocks are up, which is always good. So - how do you figure that? They must like this bill.

Posted by: Alana at February 06, 2009 03:43 PM (JE2zV)

20 "I have no idea about Specter."

Clearly his constituents have the same problem, or they wouldn't keep renewing his lease on that senate seat.

Posted by: Stoop Davy Dave at February 06, 2009 03:45 PM (4/fFt)

I blame it on the Joos. Oh wait, I forgot, Specter is a Joo. I blame it on Global Warming or something, don't want the cocksuckers to think we don't like Joos.

Kemp

Posted by: kempermanx at February 06, 2009 03:45 PM (2+9Yx)

22 What was Joe Biden trying to say? Or did he just stumble out of a botox session at this spa retreat of theirs

Posted by: IC at February 06, 2009 03:46 PM (jZNCU)

23 They're really hammering that "timely, targeted and temporary" line aren't they? I wonder if it will work for Republicans as well as it does for Democrats. Tough to get a line to catch on if the press won't cooperate.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 06, 2009 03:48 PM (PQY7w)

24 Ordinarily, I'd welcome the comic relief Joe Biden represents, and then I remember he is Vice President. Verily, I would throw myself in front of a thousand garlic-tipped bullets and an army of zombie ninjas to protect the life of President Obama.

Posted by: troyriser at February 06, 2009 03:48 PM (NfkMy)

I was just up on the Hill for another reason, and Specter is going to be the whore. Nobod knows what Snowe is doing. My suspicion is that she will follow Collins' lead.

As long as the bill is going to pass, Reid will lose 3-4 Dems. Feinstein is the real wild card, between Obama, Reid, and Pelosi, she doesn't see anyone capable of getting anything done. If Obama and Pelosi are not careful she could put together a strong team, remember in addition to the Blue Dogs in the House - there are a lot of CA(D) congresscritters, who do not want to be pawns in a Pelosi - Feinstein fight, but will break to Feinstein.

Posted by: Jean at February 06, 2009 03:49 PM (L64A6)

26 "OK, but stocks are up, which is always good. So - how do you figure that? "

Let me put on a rubber glove, reeeeeeach back, and pull out Uncle Stoopy's theory du jour: Today the stinkulus looks LESS likely to pass than yesterday, and everybody left in the market who's actually able to smell any coffee is cheered up by this.
Excuse me, now, I have to go wash my hands.

Posted by: Stoop Davy Dave at February 06, 2009 03:50 PM (4/fFt)

27 We should be all over Specter, Snowe, and Collins like white on rice. Sorry..is that a racist comment?

Posted by: tkh at February 06, 2009 03:52 PM (pq986)

28 Unintentional joke of the day:
..."I quoted Collins yesterday from a print report, suggesting that Obama had won her over on the size of the package"...

No, seriously...we're all going to die.

Posted by: The Haimster at February 06, 2009 03:52 PM (h71yu)

the shifting of gears almost breaks the transmission:

Well, yeah, if you're cruising along at about 60 mph and toss the shifter in reverse, there's a little strain on the ol' gearbox. God love ya, Joe!

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at February 06, 2009 03:52 PM (ERJIu)

30 I just emailed my despised Senator, Dianne Feinstein, applauding her noises against this craptacular bill and urging her to vote no. Nothing would make me happier than to see a repeat of the House vote, with not a single GOP in favor.

On the other hand, God love him, that incomparable maroon Joe Biden is definitely fulfilling all of my expectations. “During the speech, some members read newspapers or checked BlackBerrys in the warm conference room.”

Comedy gold . . .

Posted by: CB at February 06, 2009 03:54 PM (9Wv2j)

31 Voinovich pulls out...shows balls.

Posted by: ricky at February 06, 2009 03:55 PM (fEu9T)

32 What decides the order of what party or who votes first to last? I don't have a clue, but if I were the Republicans I would make every Democrat vote first so they can see where they stand. Don't give them any chances to save their seats by voting no after they can see it will pass anyway...

Posted by: 2Nightmares at February 06, 2009 03:56 PM (CZoVx)

33 "OK, but stocks are up, which is always good. So - how do you figure that? "

The Corner speculates it's because the administration is getting rid of the mark to market rule on Monday. If true, that makes up for Gietners tax fraud, it's a great move. Now these banks can actually hold this bad debt and work it out.

Posted by: Judd at February 06, 2009 03:56 PM (Vu/kE)

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here's his email contact page:

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Posted by: Topsecretk9 at February 06, 2009 03:56 PM (cE4qF)

35 It's because of these motherfuckers* that I laugh when the RNC or senate campaign committees call me for donations. I give targeted donations to good candidates. No way these assholes get any of my money to give to half assed rino nitwits.

* just noticed ACE"s spell check doesn't highlight "motherfucker" Cool.

Posted by: dan in michigan at February 06, 2009 03:57 PM (88w67)

What about our illustrious red and purple state Dem Senators, like Raucous Baucus, Hairy Tester and Helmet Head Conrad? What about Virginia and the wonder twins: Mark "form of an ice dildo" Warner and Jim "form of a water buffalo" Webb?

I'll never figure out the love affair here in Virginia for that smug asshole Warner. I may have some grudging respect for Webb if he decides to be a Dem maverick.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at February 06, 2009 03:57 PM (w4rJE)

37 Joe's treating the vice presidency like most of us treat our rental cars.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at February 06, 2009 03:58 PM (w4rJE)

38 37 Joe's treating the vice presidency like most of us treat our rental cars.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at February 06, 2009 03:58 PM (w4rJE)

Oh, snap!!!

Posted by: CB at February 06, 2009 04:01 PM (9Wv2j)

From NBC's Ken Strickland
Here's the state of play at the moment ... more negotiations.

Everything seems to be revolving around the Nelson-Collins proposal to cut $100 billion from the stimulus bill and mustering enough Republican support to get the 60 votes needed to pass it.

The Nelson-Collins gang presented their proposal to Majority Leader Harry Reid. Reid has made a counter proposal to Republicans.

GOP Sens. Susan Collins and Arlen Specter will take Reid's offer to their Republican members so see if there's enough support to pass it.

That's where we are.

Posted by: 2Nightmares at February 06, 2009 04:02 PM (CZoVx)

40 screw this mess and our american royalty

Posted by: Wolverine at February 06, 2009 04:06 PM (hWDBy)

41 Radio just said a study found 68% find Obama's first weeks REALLY favorable. How the fuck is that possible?

Posted by: lovemyfreedom at February 06, 2009 04:08 PM (penCf)

42 I have a question.....

Dear Leader wants this signed on the 16th...one week from Monday. Didn't Dear Leader also make a campaign promise that he would all final bills online before signing it for 5 days so Americans have a chance to review legislation - transparency and all of that.

If it still takes a while to get to his desk, what's the line on him keeping that promise? Guesses, anyone?

Posted by: Pianobuff at February 06, 2009 04:10 PM (nZwEh)

43 Richard Burr (R-NC) was on the local talk radio station a little while ago. He said that there might be two or three Rs being courted by the Dems but he also said that he's not even sure if every Dem is going to vote for it. He said to keep burning up the phone lines.

Posted by: Jo at February 06, 2009 04:10 PM (oq7Qg)

44 Everything seems to be revolving around the Nelson-Collins proposal to cut $100 billion from the stimulus bill and mustering enough Republican support to get the 60 votes needed to pass it.

Anybody who votes for this shit because they've cut $100 billion should be bitch-slapped into another dimension. Sure, $100 billion sounds like a LOT of money . . . until you compare it to $900 billion.

Posted by: CB at February 06, 2009 04:10 PM (9Wv2j)

45 CNBC douchebags say the stocks are up because the traders don't want to get caught short on financial stocks on Monday when they expect Treasury to announce a definitive bank bailout. It has nothing to do with the Spending Bill and stock rally is in spite of it if anything.

Posted by: He Hate Me at February 06, 2009 04:11 PM (UsyG7)

41 Radio just said a study found 68% find Obama's first weeks REALLY favorable. How the fuck is that possible?

It sounds about right if they only polled dems in San Fransisco or N.Y. Otherwise NO FUCKING WAY is that accurate, and if it is we are truly fucked.

Posted by: 2Nightmares at February 06, 2009 04:12 PM (CZoVx)

47 So we are screwed basically since what we will get in a compromise between $100 billion off or something less....either way it sucks

Posted by: jason at February 06, 2009 04:12 PM (nRSv7)

48 "Radio just said a study found 68% find Obama's first weeks REALLY favorable. How the fuck is that possible?"

Anybody with any sense was posting here when the pollsters called, and didn't pick up the phone?

Posted by: Stoop Davy Dave at February 06, 2009 04:13 PM (4/fFt)

49 "...he did not believe there was a deal he could agree to on an amendment that would cut as much as $100 billion from the more than $920 billion measure."

Senator pitching to peer knowing the product actually costs him nothing: "So, how 'bout if I knock off 11% off the final bill. I'll even throw in some free paperclips and a fountain pen. Would you buy it then?"

Farmer selling bullshit to gardener knowing the product actually costs him nothing: "So, how 'bout if I knock off 11% off the final bill. I'll even throw in some free gloves and a pale. Would you buy it then?"

At least what the gardener buys will grow something other than debt. What a racket these Masters of the Universe are playing.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 06, 2009 04:14 PM (sI5Ho)

50 "Radio just said a study found 68% find Obama's first weeks REALLY favorable. "

What??? 32% will need to be sent to re-education camps??

Posted by: jason at February 06, 2009 04:14 PM (nRSv7)

i have to give Lindsey Graham his due. He was great yesterday against Mikulski... impassioned, struck the right tone, hit the right points.

Hell, even a broken clock blah blah blah.

Posted by: jdub at February 06, 2009 04:15 PM (t9pKb)

52 "...he did not believe there was a deal he could agree to on an amendment that would cut as much as $100 billion from the more than $920 billion measure."

Hilarious. Imagine, even knocking $100 billion, ONE HUNDRED FUCKING BILLION DOLLARS, off the current shit sandwich only brings it back to the level it was at ... last week.

Posted by: Waterhouse at February 06, 2009 04:24 PM (AkGDz)

53 A frustrated negotiation could not be reached for comment.

Posted by: toby928 at February 06, 2009 04:35 PM (PD1tk)

54 Dude, you've been Corneranched:

Voinovich Out

Roll Call is reporting that Voinovich was in negotiations with Senate Dems over the stimulus bill, but has since dropped out. The Roll Call link is subscriber only, but there's more of the article over at Ace of Spades.

Mercifully, it leads to the no comments page.

Posted by: toby928 at February 06, 2009 04:54 PM (PD1tk)

55 I'm starting to think this stinkbomb might get zero Republican votes. Or just Specter's. Same thing.

Posted by: Bugler at February 06, 2009 05:05 PM (YCVBL)

Rupublican leadership in the Senate needs to explain in no uncertain terms that if you vote for this bill, the search for a strong candidate to run against you in the next primary begins. If the rinos who use financial conservatism as a fig leaf to cover for going off the reservation on social issues can't be counted on to vote against a fiscal abomination of this magnitude, they're worthless.

Posted by: csa1226 at February 06, 2009 05:07 PM (gk4Cn)

Dear Leader wants this signed on the 16th...one week from Monday. Didn't Dear Leader also make a campaign promise that he would all final bills online before signing it for 5 days so Americans have a chance to review legislation - transparency and all of that.

His out on that is he said "non-emergency" bills will be put online for 5 days before he signs them. Not that he's been putting "non-emergency" bills online either or anything. So he is breaking a promise, just not in this case.

Good to see my crybaby senator Voinovich do something right for a change. Also fortunate for him he isn't running in 2010, no way I'd vote for him again regardless.

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