1 An "Emergency" created by the dems and stirred/faked by the MSM. FUCK EM, STOP THIS !!!

2 It's always an emergency when it comes to spending for DemocRATS.

They remind me of Imelda Markos at a Macy's shoe sale.

Putas.

3 Help me out here.  This was written as a defense FOR spending 900 billion quickly?

4

Yeah, that's what I was thinking too...I mean what 25 billion in waste here or there. especially if we can help fund ACORN and other progressive boondoggles that will help us cheat to get re-elected.  The whole debate with the American people is a distraction.

I want my 900 billion dollars or I am going to blow your fucking head off! Catastrophe!

Peace and Out,   Hope and Change, BHO

5 Right.  But every fucking penny in the Iraq war had to be accounted for, or it was a SCANDAL!  111!  (I don't know what that 111 shit means, but it looks kinda cool)

6 Since the VAST MAJORITY of the bill is for permanent entitlement spending, and for spending which won't kick in for two years, after the recession it's supposed to 'stimulate' out of is already over, why the FUCKITY FUCKING FUCK wouldn't a principled opposition vote against it, President I-Won's faux bipartisanship notwithstanding>

7 Hey, they could have passed this thing on a party-line vote in a day, but they didn't want the stink only on their fingers...

Even so, Obama has allowed Congress to grow embroiled in nitpicking over efficiency when the central debate should be about whether the package is big enough.

It's big enough-- that's what is being pointed out-- it's TOO big.  That's the debate right now, and it's not going their way, so they cry.

8 He played on our fears....................

9 The debate should go back to whether we need it at all, not the size of it.  It sounds more like that Nigerian scam than sound fiscal policy to me.

10  "a decidedly stale, Republican-style debate over pork, waste and overspending."  Otherwise known as:  coming to a rational decision based on analysis of costs and benefits in light of empirical facts. Republicans, poor dopes, haven't yet realized that, if your intentions are good, your actions are by definition beneficial. 

11 Nice to see them concede that a Keynesian machine is greased by graft and waste.

What are we, a banana republic now?

12

This is an emergency; the normal rules do not apply.

hahahahahaha

The last real Senator from Illinois is rolling over in his grave. it would be "ironic" if his rotting corpse were to get up and crawl to Washington and puke on the "One".

 

13 Economics: I think you're doing it wrong.

14 BTW, that last post was in reference to Everett Dirkson. You know, the old "A billion here; a billion there" fame.

15 I assumed that this was written at Kos of HuffPo, before checking the link.

Mind you, it seems to be Newsweeks fondest wish to muscle in on the Kos/HuffPo market. They're starting to make The Nation seem sane and sensible.

16 It never fails to amuse me how the Gramscian has only a handful of rote slots and grooves in which to operate. Once they start saying things like "decidedly stale debate" or "meaningless back-and-forth," you know you've won on the merits. One wonders, as a commenter at another blog opined, whether a Gramscian true believer can pass a Turing test.

17 Arrogant ignorance combined with the ability to deny any culpability when your plan fucks everything up is the most dangerous mixture in politics.

18 lol, this is from Newsweek? When I read it I assumed it was from some far left blog.  Please Newsweek, whore yourself out to the Democrats a bit more, if you possibly can.

The MSM has jumped the shark with this last election and is continuing to look more and more ridiculous every passing day.

19 Good lord, we should just *assume* that we can spend our way into a recovery? We can't actually debate it? GFY!

20

What the assholes at NewsWeak are really upset about is the fact that this so-called crisis exposed all of Obambi's weakness and his utter lack of managerial skills.

No longer the wise and all-powerful being Obambi is now a simple mortal - he's gone from Ben Hur to Barney Fife.

21 Barney Fife helped keep the peace in Mayberry.

The One Lightworker is going for Gomer Pyle.

22 The lack of basic common sense on the left is astounding. How is it that these imbeciles manage to even accomplish simple tasks of tying their own shoes and feeding themselves?

Can we see Newsweek to Russia, China or North Korea to help pay for Spendulus?

23 a trillion dollars, nitpicking?

thought Dear Leader's Halo would shine more light on this. oh, well

24 This is an emergency; the normal rules do not apply.

What emergency? You mean the people who took on mortgages they knew they could not afford? Or the auto workers who have been living above their means while no one buys their products? Or the executives who drove their companies into the ground while making themselves rich? Obviously, none of these things have ever happened in the past. /sarc

The banks are still open. The grocery stores are open. Most people have jobs. You can still buy gas. And gourmet dog biscuits. And go to the fucking yoga studio. This is not post Katrina New Orleans, or historic San Francisco earth quake.

This is what happens when you put overly emotional children in charge of a budget. country.

Fixed it myself.

25

"nitpicking over efficiency" ??????

WTF ???

 

26 Of course the rules don't apply, it's democrats. And, Nancy Pelosi said 500,000,000 Americans were losing their jobs this month. This is no time for debate or reason or oversight. Spend now  dammit!!

27 It sounds more like that Nigerian scam than sound fiscal policy to me.

+1

28 A recession is an emergency requiring the normal principles of prudence and sound government are unapplied. Panic now. Pay later.

It's so nice to have moved beyond the fear-mongering and Constitution-shredding that the Bush years exemplified.

29

I haven't heard anybody mention one major, major benefit of using tax cuts as stimulus instead of government spending: they don't pose a big an inflationary risk a few years down the road. If we're printing up $1 trillion new dollars (or thereabouts), that's going to drive up inflation massively two or three years from now. If we just cut taxes we aren't adding to the money supply, we're just changing who spends it. That more or less eliminates the risk of stimulus-induced inflation.

Another thing: one of the criticisms of tax-cut based stimulus is that people will just save the money or pay down debt, not go out & buy new things. How is that bad, though. If people pay down their credit cards, they shore up the credit market and lower personal debt. If they put it in savings, they make more money available for banks to loan, encouraging them to actually go out and loan the money instead of hoarding it. So how are tax cuts ineffective, then?

 

30 In light of the Update:

Well, gee, Barry, why don't you smartypants Dems just pass it already? Please.  Be my guest!

31 Hayao at #9, that's a Kenyan-ian scam to you.  Wow, that's too close to keynsian for comfort.

32 Yeah, Reynolds linked this yesterday. This dude's an idiot. The first paragraph is the tip off. See, Obama asked for Republican input (nevermind "I Won" and you have a 8 hours to discuss this thing before we pass it) and now they're taking advantage of Obama's bi-partisanship.

33 Even Brit and Eurotwit commentators are saying that BO's language vis-a-vis the economy is lamentable.  Of course, Barry is pushing the Pelosi Pork Package and has no idea how detrimental it will be.  Other countries are counting on a recovery in the US to help bail them out.  Ain't gonna happen with someone as clueless as Barry and someone as greedy as Pelosi.  As dim as they are they're now figuring out that not everything BO says is divinely inspired.  In fact, they're realizing that their support, no adoration, of the One is sadly misplaced.

Leftists are inherently stupid.  They never learn.

34 Buzz @5  "I don't know what that 111 shit means"

Check your keyboard.  It's a shorthand parody of overexcitable commenters who can't operate a shift key and a ! mark at the same time.  Except on HuffPo, where it's the normal mode of punctuation.

35

I'm really not following the logic here.  Obama's mistake was to court Republicans and listen to their ideas, but Republicans somehow took advantage of him by pointing out that the bill has major flaws and refusing to vote for it.  This is followed by the author admitting the bill has major flaws, ignoring Obama rejected the Republicans' ideas (as per the "I won" standard), and the Democrats juts passed the bill anyways.  So if the bill has major flaws, the Republicans pointing that out was ignored, and the Democrats just passed the bill anyways where's the problem with Republicans?   Republican arguments are swayng the public and moderate Democrats but given the author says the bill is flawed, isn't that an indictment of Obama-Pelosi-Reid's leadership and legislative skills in crafting this monstrosity and not Republicans?

Anyhow, I find it hilarious how the media is bending over backwards to blame Republicans in all this.  If Obama had the temperment, skills, and experience the media claimed he did then it would have been easy for someone with his poll numbers (2 weeks ago at least) and support to get a good bipartisan bill through Congress.  Don't blame Republicans because Obama isn't what the media said he would be.  I just hope the people are paying enough attention to see that the media is again nakedly cheerleading for Obama.

36 Somehow, the idea of the President of the United States writing an Op-Ed for the WaPo doesn't seem right to me. I'm not sure why. Is he lowering himself and his office or humbly entering the public debate? I dunno. Is there precedent on this, or what?

37 I think I've finally figured out Obama thanks to his clue that we need "action that's swift, bold and wise enough for us to climb out of this crisis."

As my family hails several band directors and I grew up in the world of orchestral music (before realizing how little they make and shifting to the business world), we would quickly notice and ridicule Hollywood actor representations of band, choir or orchestra conductors. They'd get up and flail their arms about forcefully, believing that's all it took with really no clue at all what conducting was about. The louder the music, the more "swift, bold and wise" they'd try to appear as if they were channeling Beethoven. The result was enough to fool the idiots (also known as the 52% Democratic electorate) but to totally make a maddening representation of conducting as total fraud.

Obama's that poseur conductor. He truly thinks he can go up on the podium, flail his arms about swiftly, feign that bold confidence and appear contemplative and wise to convince the economy to recover. Economics? Business cycles? Rational expectation theory that will deny Keynesian economic efforts? Baaaa... be bold and brave. That's how a leader acts.

We're led by the King of Fools.

38 Jarod, exactly. No matter how big this stinking pile is, the Republicans are to blame for this mess. Also, regards the update, isn't time for the press to start getting Obama for talking down the economy. I mean, isn't he only making things worse? I seem to remember Bush getting the rasberry for pointing out the economic down turn he inherited.

39

My personal favorite part of the Newsweak article is the first few words.

Barack Obama began making his comeback Wednesday...

As we all know from our media betters, Obama's transition has been going swimmingly, only a few hiccups really. (Pay no attention to those tax-cheats and millionaire-lobbyists in the Dept of Change.)

So why does he need a comeback?

He's been president for about 10 minutes and he already needs to makie a "comeback"?

Just curious, when can we start bleating about the worst economy since Hoover? 

40 Mephitis at #31:  That is too close for comfort.  The problem we have is that there's no way to opt out.  It's being sold to my broker and all he's doing is trying to figure out how he can make some money from it too.

41 You would think with how everything turned out after the last time we rushed to spend several hundred billion in baleout money, people would be a little wary about the "We got to spend it now, it's an Emergency!" sales pitch.

42

Yes, there are still some very legitimate issues with a bill that's supposed to be "temporary" and "targeted"—among them, large increases in permanent entitlement spending, and a paucity of tax cuts that will prompt immediate spending.

So we need to pass it NOW because it's a short-term answer to an emergency, but it contains permanent entitlement increases and not enough tax cuts to increase consumer spending now.

It's not right, but it's here! Pass it, because it won't help and is wasteful, but IT'S HERE!

My 3 year old argues better than this.

43 36 Well, it is not as if he actually sat down and wrote it himself and, in any event, I think it is more an attempt to corral the wayward MSM (including the WaPost) who have been increasingly willing to criticise the porkulus.

44

Hatless Hessian,

I have the same disdain for Hollywood portrayal of football coaches. In Hollywood all ya gotta do to coach is cuss, spit toabacco, and belittle everyone around you, and somehow they all bust their ass enough to win a championship in the end. Although I'd say that Remember the Titans kinda got close to getting it right.

45 In this emergency where the normal rules do not apply, I'm giving myself a stimulus and not paying any taxes.

I'm sure they'll understand.

46

@29

One of the major benefits of having people use the money is it won't distort the economy as much.  Throwing a trillion dollars at F.O.O-P-R's allows the government to pick winners and makes being close the government more important than say satisfying consumer wants and needs.  It can also cause mass inflation in one sector (say by doubling infrastructure spending causing construction good prices to spike) that could have very problematic ripple effects throughout the economy.  Letting taxpayers spend a little each prevents both problems and of course is muc more popular (I know I'd rather spend my $6,700 allotment over then next 2 years than have O-P-R spend it).

I keep making that point any time someone I know recycles the liberal canard that "savings = bad".  The big thing I think is the banks could use those savings to restore their balance sheets and start loaning again without needing government bailouts every year.  

47 I gave myself a stimulus already today.

48 Andrew @ 36, just remember the Anointed One had to "step down" into the presidency. What's another step?

49 T-web @ 29 "Another thing: one of the criticisms of tax-cut based stimulus is that people will just save the money or pay down debt, not go out & buy new things. How is that bad, though. If people pay down their credit cards, they shore up the credit market and lower personal debt. If they put it in savings, they make more money available for banks to loan, encouraging them to actually go out and loan the money instead of hoarding it. So how are tax cuts ineffective, then?"

That's the classic 1934 anti-tax-cut argument of John Maynard ('In the long-run we are all dead') Keynes, which is still in circulation, for no good reason whatsoever.  T-web just shredded it in five sentences, and that includes the set-up. 
How IS it that people are still falling for that shit?

50 D'oops, I hit SEND a bit quickly there.
To be a Keynesian in the 21st century, you have to either not believe, or not understand, that :
Saving ==> Investment ==> Employment.
To not get that, to even PRETEND TO not get that, you have to be as stupid as Barney Frank! 

51 Wow, so the POTUS is just another op-ed writer for the WaPo?

How the mighty have fallen.........

52

Barney Fife helped keep the peace in Mayberry.

 

He should have used his one bullet on Opie.

53

But now Obama needs to remind the American people that unless the Republicans get on board, they will bear political responsibility for failing to act in the face of the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression.

This is the crux of the bullsh!t and Newsweek should be ashamed of putting this drivel into print.  The fact of the matter is Obama and the Dems could pass this piece of shit bill today if they wanted to and they really believed it was necessary to get out of the "worst economic crisis since the Great Depression".  The Republicans haven't threatened a filibuster (to my knowledge) so the Dems don't need a single Republican vote.  Even if they did try for a filibuster they wouldn't sustain it.  What the Dem's and Obama are looking for is political cover because they know full well this is not going to work and they need to be able to say the bill was bi-partisan when it fails to do anything for the economy.  I personnally encourse the Republicans to allow the Senate Dems an up or down vote on this boondoggle.  This bill won't get 50 votes and they know it so now they are going to blame the Republican's.  I'll be reading bs just like this all day as it seems the Dem's obvious next talking point. 

 Instead the Republican Party—the one we thought lost the election—is doing that. And the confusion and delay this is causing could realize Obama's worst fears, turning "crisis into a catastrophe," as the president said Wednesday. 

This is also rich.  Apparently now that the Democrats are in charge they expect the minority party not only to just shut up but to also vote the way they tell them.  I really enjoy the sense of wonderment that the Republicans still around in Congress aren't just doing what they're told.  Apparently the fact that the current House Republicans actually won their elections last fall as Republicans and are expected to legislate as Republicans by their consituents is not on this assclowns radar.  Nope they are supposed to vote the way Mr. 52% tells them in order to give him and the other Dems the political cover they need to pay off all their various interest groups so that Mr. 52% is again able to rake in $750 million in 2012.  In the interests of bipartisanship and presumably the children as well.  If Mr. Hirsch was capable he would be ashamed of himself.

There's no way anyone can spend $800 to $900 billion quickly without waste and boondoggles. It comes with the Keynesian territory. This is an emergency; the normal rules do not apply.

And last the old Dem standby of acting like the "waste and boondoggles" just flew into this bill on their own.  As Mr. Hirsch well knows the "waste and boondoggles" are a feature not a bug and were deliberately inserted in the bill in order to pay off Dem special interests.  Or perhaps Mr. Hirsch believes Pelosi and Obama wrote a bill that was strictly tax cuts and competatively bid infrastructure spending and after she was done the Legistation Fairy flew in and inserted $4 billion for ACORN and $350 million for condoms and all the other "waste and boondoggles" that just happen to enrich all the Democrats best friends.  Whatever the case may be I encourage President Obama to use this argument with the American people.  I'll bet he could get the approval rating for this bill into single digits with a persuasive argument like "sure this bill is mostly 'waste and boondoggles' but this is an emergency, the normal rules don't apply and besides Chula Vista really, really, really needs a new dogpark". 

54

Heh, that update has me thinking 1984 for some reason,

"Winston Smith here, regarding Washington Post story "Losing Control", replace the follwing segment:  'quickly without waste and boondoggles', with: 'as swiftly, boldly, and wisely as Obama'.  The entire sentence should read: 'There's no way anyone can spend $800 to $900 billion as swiftly, boldly, and wisely as Obama'."

Someone better get Michael Hirsh up to speed on the newest version of reality from Obama, I'd hate for him to be unpersoned.

55

Greatest economic crisis since the Great Depression?  This President has to be the least intelligent President we ever had when it comes to history and geography. 

An sustained unemployment  rate over the one we have now has occurred in the late 50's, the  mid 70's, early 80's and early 90's.   We have had mortgage rates that exceeded 20% in the 70's.  We had wage and price controls.  We have had 2 hour waits at the gas pumps.  We bailed out auto companies before.  We've had major cities go bankrupt.  The name Rust Belt did not just get coined these past few years. 

Don't get me wrong, he definitely has the potential to make this the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression. 

Just a reminder Mr. President.  Illinois is closer to Kentucky than Arkansas.  The Americans did not liberate the Auschwitz concentration camp.  Iran is not a little country. 

56 In the future, when the MSM frames the failure of this bill to turn the economy around on the Republicans, if we say we're sorry and made a big mistake, will the MSM point out how refreshing and honest that is, exonerate us and say it should be forgotten and to move on?

57

That's a symptom, not a cause.

 

Yes, blame Bush. This idiot is still on the 2008 media agenda. He asswipe, your man won so you can stop the ass kissing and dick sucking now. Obama no longer needs your rim jobs to get the Whitehouse.

58 The reason Obama is getting so few votes is that he is no longer setting the terms of the debate over how to save the economy. Instead the Republican Party—the one we thought lost the election—is doing that.


Seriously, fuck you, buddy.  The real problem is that the Obama who won the presidency is not the Obama who is governing.  Of course, we would have known that if you media fucks had done your job and actually told us what we were getting.  Instead, you covered for him, and savaged those who questioned him.   You told us we were getting a pragmatic centrist.  You knew he was a leftist redistributionist.  Now, that the bullshit is out there for the world to see in the form of this shitty spending bill, you go back to try to play the "but he won" card.  Sorry fuck-o.  This shitty bill has served a valuable purpose...  doing what you refused to do during the campaign.  

59

action that's swift, bold and wise enough for us to climb out of this crisis.

perfect time to repost this: * I changed the first sentence from Spartans to conservatives and Athenians to Liberals.

*Conservatives are courageous but not bold.  Liberals are bold but not courageous.

Boldness is impatient. Courage is long-suffering. Boldness cannot endure hardship or delay; it is ravenous, it must feed on victory or it dies. Boldness makes its seat upon the air; it is gossamer and phantom. Courage plants its feet upon the earth and draws its strength from God’s holy fundament.

The bold man is prideful, brazen, ambitious. The brave man calm, God-fearing, steady. The bold man seeks to divide; he wants his own and will shoulder his brother aside to loot it. The brave man unites. He succors his fellow, knowing that what belongs to the commonwealth belongs to him as well. The bold man covets; he sues his neighbor in the law court, he intrigues, he dissembles. The brave man is content with his lot; he respects that portion the gods have granted and husband it, comporting himself with humility as heaven’s steward.

In troubled times the bold man flails about in effeminate anguish, seeking to draw his neighbors into his misfortune, for he has no strength of character to fall back upon other than to drag others down to his own state of wickedness. Now the brave man. In dark hours he endures silently, uncomplaining. Reverencing the round of heaven’s seasons, he does what must be done, sustaining himself with the certainty that to endure injustice with patience is the mark of piety and wisdom.

60 I think Obama should concentrate on the "emergency" of April 15th fast approaching and ensuring members of his administration actually pay their taxes.

61 The other question for the hack who wrote the original piece: What concessions did the republicans get before the legislation was voted on? I seem to recall 400 million for STD research getting removed. If you ask me, that doesn't sound like much of a concession. Did they get anything else?

62

Re: #20

I'd rather have Barney Fife as President than the Magic Negro.

63

It appears as though the O-Media is counterattacking in an effort to save Spendulus. Expect an orgasmic response to The One's speech in a week or so pitching the plan.

 

Seeing the media unite in this matter makes me want to see the plan fail even more. That way, their tears and lashing out will be hilarious.

64

The press is in full lament mode that Barry is losing the "stimulus message war". It is of course in full support of Barry and his pork plan and is rolling out the defense of it.

 

Funny how the greatest mind ever (Barry) in two weeks has gotten the shit smacked out of him by Republicans, his nominations, the Europeans, India, Iran and North Korean.

65 Nice try Newsweek.  You are just as complicit as the liberals in congress for this current situation.  You assisited them as their mouth piece preaching doom and gloom and did not do any true journalistic investigating as to what Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Charlie Rangle, San Fran Nan, or Harry Reid were doing with the banking and mortgage industry.  Yes Newsweek, YOU are to blame.  You got your fucking crisis so you could get your messiah elected.   Doh!  It grew too large too fast.  Kinda snowballed didn't.  And now you want to blame it on Repblicans.

We don't need anymore spending on bullshit earmarks and we sure as hell do not need anymore goverment employees.  Cut goverments, reduce the salary of congress to 1 dollar a year, end slush funds, eliminate governement pensions and give them 401K so they can save like the rest of us unwashed masses.  Oh yeah, 6 year limit in DC with a lifetime ban on lobbying.

Couple that with a Federal Income Tax holiday for the rest of they year and you will see change.  Otherwise we are so screwed.

66

"By now, it's clear to everyone that we have inherited an economic crisis as deep and dire as any since the days of the Great Depression."

Always about Barry.

Barry, you don't inherit an economic crisis, you and your idiot pals started the ball rolling, you idiot.

Did GW inherit a crisis in Clinton ignoring the terrorist threat?

Yes? No?

What a pompous liberal asshole. No surprise at all. Boo hoo, all about Barry.

I fucking hate Democrats.

67

Ah, those liberal touchstones - the Great Depression, and the Vietnam War. Just can't avert their gaze for a moment.

I'd let MoDo write these articles instead of this clown, because at least sophomoric snark is a better read.

68 so Barry can't get a bill passed even though his party has majorities in both houses?  That's some fine leadership!

69 #55
Doubleplus one.

70 #36, doesn't seem right to be either but DH, a walking history book, assures me that it has been done before.

71

In his eagerness to accommodate Republicans and listen to their ideas....

So that's what "I won" and "I'll trump you on that" actually means....

72

This is an emergency; the normal rules do not apply.

Right out of Saul Alinsky's playbook.

God bless the GOP refuseniks.

73 I remember the good ole' days when pointing out $1T in waste wasn't nitpicking.  If $1T is nitpicking, I cringe to know how much is worthy of fighting.  $1T is 5% of the entire WORLD GDP!

74 Strike that, 2%.  But still.

75

He rejected the argument that more tax cuts are needed in the plan and that piecemeal measures would be sufficient, arguing that Americans made their intentions clear in the election.

"I reject these theories, and so did the American people when they went to the polls in November and voted resoundingly for change," he wrote.

 

Kneel before Barry!!!! He is nothing more than a spoiled kid. And a stupid one too.

76 Today he's warning us that if we don't act now, that "we may never recover."

Got news for him and the Democrat Congress: the government can't "recover" this one.

And isn't a recession that never ends called a depression?

77 pendejo grande- regarding hollywood and football coaches- what about Friday Night Lights?

BigE:
"I'll be reading bs just like this all day as it seems the Dem's obvious next talking point."

Yep, you're right. Figuring on oh, 10 repeats of this same concept, with about 7 having virtually identical verbiage.

78 Minimum Wage in the US $7.25 Stimulus Package $900,000,000,000.00 Man-Hours at minimum wage to earn Stimulus Package 124,137,931,034.48

That's a lot of blood, sweat and tears.

79 An "irreversible recession"? And they said Bush was a moron.

80

A couple of items from Obama’s resume:

1. Member of litigation team, representing ACORN, that got the sub-prime loan (crisis) started in the Chicago area.

2. Spent / distributed $150million of Annenberg money in Chicago. Has no success to show for the $150million.

 

Why, then, given Obama's track record at spending money, are we even considering any spending bill supported by Obama, let alone considering passing one?

81 Washington-dot-comPost, with emphasis on the compost.
 Seems like The Øne True LightWorker^® is gettin' a little cozy with the LSM, don-cha know. Who wudda thunk it?

82 Dis Bush ever try the OpEd route when he was president? Do you think the Washington Post would have given him the bully pulpit?

83 CNN has been kissing Obama's butt the last few days.  They're "on board."  Yeah, and this ship be a goin' down.

But hey, The One needs lots of  mouthpieces (with many forked tongues.)

84 #2 torabora said: It's always an emergency when it comes to spending for DemocRATS. They remind me of Imelda Markos at a Macy's shoe sale.

Kudos, torabora. Oh so true, unfortunately.

85

Dick-weasel Susan Collins say “there are 10 or 11 centrists who will vote for the bi-partisan” bill. “Centrists a new term for Democrap(R)’s, otherwise known as fucking RINOs. (all per Fox)

 

And the communists say that they consider 60 yes votes “bipartisan”, another new meaning of the word.

 

Hell I knew congress had some special meanings to the words when writing bills and interpreting the Constitution but this is a new low for even them. They don’t speak English anymore.

86 A trillion dollars of nuclear power plants wouldn't be losing 300 million on Planned Parenthood.

A trillion dollar energy endowment would allow free electricity for all residences in America - in perpetuity.

Road spending, railroadspending, ship building, etc.

If the Pelosi-Obama-Reid-Kickback was actually "The New New Deal", at least we'd end up with infrastructure at the end (even as it failed to revive much). But the braniacs have decided 'contraception' is worthwhile infrastructure.

87

Fox News Alert:

 

There is a “bi-partisan” meeting going on behind closed doors to craft a “bi-partisan” stimulus bill. The meeting consistes of 12 communists and 5 Republicans. (One wonders which 5 this is probably Susan Collins and the like).

 

To quote the famous line from a few years ago at “Atlas Chemical”

 

“Look out boys We’ve been ratted out here”

 

I knew it was coming. Fox is calling them “centrist conservatives”. LOL, you can’t make this shit up folks.

88 The MSM Fellatio Media has jumped the shark with this last election and is continuing to look more and more ridiculous every passing day.

Posted by: kefka at February 05, 2009 09:35 AM (rnn8h)

It's the mismatched kneepads.

89 The One Lightworker is going for Gomer Pyle.

Posted by: Techie at February 05, 2009 09:38 AM (906oR)

At least Gomer Pyle was a Marine.  Obambi, not so much.

 

90 I think our unicorns are like that dog in "The Thing".

91

me fling poop at wall some stick make all better

92 Let's not "think", just let us "spend".  Yeah, that makes one hell of a lot of sense.

93

Well, we know Linseedoil Gramnasty is on Fox now defending his 400 billion dollar bill and he talked down the current “closed door meeting” in which he said the 5 Republicans are there discussing reducing the communist bill by 100 billion dollars as a “compromise”. His “bill” reduced it by half.

 

Fuck him – reduce it by 100% dick-weasel.

94 Seems like the "emergency" scenario was a one time use coupon.  Miss Nancy and Harry and Paulie pulled that one off that fateful night by coming out of that meeting looking as though they had seen FDR's ghost and everyone bought it hook, line and sinker.  Now, however, Americans are getting the message and asking those Who? What? When? Where? How? and WHY? type of questions and really "they are just messing up all the fun"!

95 36 Somehow, the idea of the President of the United States writing an Op-Ed for the WaPo doesn't seem right to me. I'm not sure why. Is he lowering himself and his office or humbly entering the public debate? I dunno. Is there precedent on this, or what?

Posted by: Andrew the Noisy at February 05, 2009 09:48 AM (V0QP1)

Writing an OpEd to explain your position means never having to answer any questions at a presser.

96 CNBC is saying "they made rookie mistakes" and people on Wall Street blogs are making very intelligent posts about the bill and our democracy.  Wow, are Americans finally coming out of hibernation?

97

Writing Having someone write for you an OpEd to explain your position means never having to answer any questions at a presser.

Rham is back in charge, yo.

98 Who is John Galt?

99 93,

Since Graham is not in the room, I'm guessing that the 5 RINO Senators involved include some of the following:

Collins
Snowe
Specter
Voinobitch
Maverick
Gregg


Of those 6, I'm feeling it's a foregone conclusion that Collins, Snowe, and Specter are in there. 

The other three are just good guesses.

100

Graham was "angry". hahahahaha

 

He was insulted because they didn't invite him.

101

How about instead of "spendulus" we call it "Spendzilla."

102 http://dealbreaker.com/  Mark to market rumor?

103 CNBC has a representative on who insisted that this bill would pass TODAY?

104

Writing an OpEd to explain your position means never having to answer any questions at a presser.

 

Like Barry is going to get any tough questions asked by his adoring fans in the press.

105 A point conservatives should be pounding Obama's ass about is the fact he derided the Bush Admin for governing by "fear" (rather than characterizing it as wisdom and vigilance in the face of terrorists trying to kill us)- yet now he's trying to use scare tactics to force the passage of an unnecessary, wrong-headed and potentially disastrous "stimulus" package of wasteful spending. Atrios, for one, was fond of calling out conservatives who warned we needed to fight the GWOT - now who is shitting their panties in fear? Obama is panicked and the only thing he's leading is the stampede of hysterical sheep over the cliff.

106 "As to the pricing of said assets? Mark-to-market looks to be history. This is good news as now my Fantasy Accounting League can thrive once more." http://dealbreaker.com/

107 By now, it's clear to everyone that we have inherited an economic crisis as deep and dire as any since the days of the Great Depression.

I thought people liked Obama because he was "cool" and unflappable.

Here he comes across as a hysterical little girl.

Obama has allowed Congress to grow embroiled in nitpicking over efficiency when the central debate should be about whether the package is big enough

Obama's big slogan is that we need to stop worrying about the size of government and worry more about whether it works.

Who cares if the package is big enough?  Sadly, Congress can pass another one next week or next month if they want to.  The focus on the size of the package is especially disingenuous when you take into account that the vast majority of the spendulus money won't even be spent in 2009.

Democrats are exaggerating the crisis so they have a fake EMERGENCY in which all the normal rules go out the window so they can gorge themselves on pork.  Republicans are right to say no--and the American people are right to be deeply suspicious of it.

Today, Barack Obama is totally committed to the spendulus.  The good news is, tomorrow he might not want it at all.  Republicans just need to hold out until he changes his mind again.

108 My big fear on this is that the Dems went into this KNOWING the spending was double what they really wanted. In other words, they did the usual government thing and asked for twice as much as their best and final offer, and they've been counting on Grahamnesty and the others to "step across the aisle" all along.  Now they're  just going through the motions until a compromise is reached, a few billion shaved off, and they've got their "bipartisan" seal of approval.

109 The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed and hence clamorous to be led to safety by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.

110 Played the RINO's like a fiddle, again

111

To me, the biggest advantage of tax cuts versus spending is that tax cuts don't come with any overhead.  Spending will require 47 levels of oversight, each one of which will suck off part of the money until only about 30% makes it to the actual project.

112 I suppose the 'right to taking an innocent' life resides with NARAL and the ilk he cozies up to with forceps.

113 Oops. Thread jump = moron.

114

That dealbreaker.com article uses the term Iodine-129 as an alternate term for “toxic”. I guess the anti-nukenicks have become so pervasive that we are supposed to be scared of I-129 because it has such a long half-life (15.7 million years).

 

Hey idiot turds it decays via beta and low energy gamma. Meaning that the only way it could harm you is if you ate a very large amount of it. It would all show up ion your thyroid and you would probably have to take it out.

115 Who ever said that the republicans are being played is probably right.  They keep underestimating this crew and the crew beautifully uses the republicans sense of superiority and "we know we are smarter than you" attitude against them.

116

We're so fucked.

117 #114,  they have MBA's, they avoided the engineering and science departments.

118 Susan Collins and Alan Spector on Fox now after "leaving the meeting".

119

Fucking "bi-partisan"

hahahahahahahahaha

120

21 Barney Fife helped keep the peace in Mayberry.

The One Lightworker is going for Gomer Pyle.

Obummer aspires for Gomer Pyle status.  He's more like Ernest T. Bass.

121 118 Susan Collins and Alan Spector on Fox now after "leaving the meeting".


Well, I called at least 2 of the 5.

I expect the names of Snowe and McCain to be leaked shortly as 2 of the remaining 3.

122 111: To me, the biggest advantage of tax cuts versus spending is that tax cuts don't come with any overhead.  Spending will require 47 levels of oversight, each one of which will suck off part of the money until only about 30% makes it to the actual project.
 
 
 
30%? You're an optimist.

123

Susan Collins(D-R) quote“I was looking at a $650B propsal yesterday but the President convinced me a bigger proposal was needed”. Also, “we don’t want too small of a bill because it would just be wasted money and increase the deficit”.

 

Gramnasty was wrong, they were NOT debating a 100 Billion dollar reduction; it was only $50B

 

Folks you just can’t make this shit up. A Republican defending OBama and a communist party bill.

124 "I'm from the government, I'm here to help.."

Where is zombie Reagan? Damn it, I wish I believed in reincarnation.

125 I don't think even Reagan can fix our shit now.

126

Obama, the false Profit...er Prophet, says we will fall if we don't follow his orders. Sieg Heil,  mein fuhrer 

127 You wouldn't be saying this if I wasn't black.

128 Jared Bernstein, chief economist? is on with Larry Kudlow.  Larry is trying to tell him about the Rasmussen poll and the fact that the people don't want this and he is begging him to table the bill until they (the administration) really know what they need to do.  Bernstein is saying that Kudlow has no clue of the emergency that is out there.

What is going on.  Why doesn't the administration define "the emergency"?

129

It was/is only a matter of time before the Demmys buy off enough Republicians to cover the number of their own that will vote no on the bill, who also happen to be running for re-election in 2010.

123

Susan Collins(D-R) quote“I was looking at a $650B propsal yesterday but the President convinced me a bigger proposal was needed”. Also, “we don’t want too small of a bill because it would just be wasted money and increase the deficit”.

 

Right, so $1trillion in wasted money and increased deficit is better. Political logic at its purest.

130 Ha! Told ya...Hope and Change - out...Swift and Bold - in!
We'll add a wise to to make it look like we know what we are doing.

131 The hubris of these people is astonishing.  The idea that one can replace the collective wisdom of millions of independent decision makers with edicts of a few politicians and autocrats is the self-esteem movement writ large.

This will all end badly.

Doooooooom.

132 The debate is over! Report to your assigned re-education/racial sensitivity/ gender identity/ religious equality class.

133

Barack Obama is just carrying out the plans of sinster men like KARL MARX and ALDAMIR LENNIN and MAO SI TUNG and other evil men

134 If the Republicans had any brains or guts they would see that Barry has shown in his first two weeks as king he will fold like a house of cards if there is any pressure. They should make their proposal and tell him to make a deal with them. Sure the press will back up Barry but the Republicans have managed to show that this is nothing but pork. They should keep up the offense and watch Barry whine.

135

"Just give me the trillion and no one gets hurt".

His latest chicken little press conference is that if it doesn't pass and right now, the consequences will be irriversable! Really? and how the hell would he know? He couldn't find his ass with a G.P.S. system! When he says the consequences will be irriversable, he is referring to it screwing his chances for a second term, for good!

The American people are seeng his desperation to get his shitfest passed increase with every passing day. He's hoping to scare the hell out of us into forcing Repubs to pass this turd no matter what is and ins't in it. His fear mongering has  reached global warming hysterics proportion. Everyone knows it's a turd and we know that he knows it's a turd as well

136

"Just sign this promissory note for $10,000." 

Is your response:

A) No

B) What for?

C) Sure, as soon as my $20,000,000 arrives from Nigeria.

"But you've gotta sign right now, or <strike>irreversible Global Warming</strike> unending economic decline will result." 

 

137 This is at least the second time Obama has stated that since he won, what he wants SHOULD happen.

Drudge has a headline - "The Fear:  Pass it Now or We May Never Recover" - which links to the Washington Post piece, "Obama warns of need for stimulus bill right away."

I don't know about you, but I'm getting sick of this guy telling us all what we have to do, and using a bunch of fear-mongering to do it. THEN saying, "Hey, I won!  That means the American people want everything I want from now on."

Talk about STUPID.  Listen, I don't think the guys running him are stupid, but I do believe he himself is rather . . . simple.  Or actually, his sound mind has been taken over by delusions of grandeur, dreams of glory.  Megalomania, in short.

I think he's also getting desperate.  His plan is to socialize everything, and "not let a good crisis go to waste," even if he has to manufacture the crisis.

And when push comes to shove, I don't CARE if we go down the tubes.  That is, I'd rather go down the tubes and let capitalism recover itself, rather than turn into a socialist country. 

But that is what he wants, and he's looking flat-out stupid about it right now.

From that article:

138

"manufacture the crisis"

Yes, Norm Chomsky knows exactly what this asshole Barry is doing...

139 Arrogant ignorance combined with the ability to deny any culpability when your plan fucks everything up is the most dangerous mixture in politics normal liberal politics.

Fixed.

140 Jennifer "Grand stand", the governor, was just on CNBC saying "get it out, just put something through."   She said there are things in the bill which allo workers (she meant assembly line)to "be re trained and have a free college education."    I began shouting expletives at the tv as most college grads are still paying their loans off and just because these people lost their jobs they are somehow entitled to a "free college education?"  this is way too much.

141 From that article:

(retyping, as somehow it contained a hidden url)

"He rejected the argument that more tax cuts are needed in the plan and that piecemeal measures would be sufficient, arguing that Americans made their intentions clear in the election.

"'I reject these theories, and so did the American people when they went to the polls in November and voted resoundingly for change,' he wrote."

I mean - is he just flat-out nuts, or what?  I think he's unhinged.

142 That is the same "phrase" he handed anerson cooper last night.  Guess neither of these two are interested in the Rasmussen poll that Larry Kudlow is shouting to the rafters about.  But, the poll has been marginalized as jared bernstein said they don't put much stock in these "flash polls".  Interesting how they touted Rasmussen when he had them way ahead in his polls.  Suddenly now Rasmussen needs to be marginalized along with the wishes of the people.

143

I mean - is he just flat-out nuts, or what?  I think he's unhinged.

Posted by: Alana at February 05, 2009 12:42 PM (JE2zV)

 

Meglomanic would be my best guess.

144

Zero sent out an email to everyone on his list last week, something like 13 million trolls. It was basically saying how great this timulus was and it was their jobs to convince family and friends of its greateness and to pressure their own Reps to support it

 Basically he was ordering his trolls to get in everyones face to bring enough pressure to get the turd passed. Same strong arm tactcis he used during campaign. This time the MSM isn't covering for his turd at this point and everyone knows what stinking garbage it is. Still, he goes right to his army to try and "force" change (at the local level) no one will accept,  while he uses fear in the media that just isn't working.

Transparancy -cuz everyone cna see right through this one

145 So Hirsch and Obama's plan is straight out of Animal House?

"Otter: D...... I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part.

Bluto: We're just the guys to do it. "

146 And Bluto became a senator.  Fitting.

147 They are saying the "mark to market rumors" are keeping the market up but Pisani just alluded to the fact that WS might think the bill is going down and that could be the impetus.

148

More from the Democrat Communist Party via Tom Harkin(C-Iowa)

 

Some Democrats bluntly challenged whether President-elect Barack Obama's proposed tax cuts would be a waste of money and not stimulate the ailing economy, which has been in recession for 13 months and is expected to last through 2009.

 

Now they want to remove the pitiful few tax cuts that are in the bill.

 

Oh, and BTW, have they released the fourth quarter 2008 numbers yet? The third quarter was the first negative quarter and we haven’t had the second yet.

149

Hmm. I just read about how one part of the bill would really help me out a bunch. I'm now going to try to remove 99% of my brain so that I'm stupid enough to start supporting it.

 

150

I kinda like the final sentence in this little piece of self-congratulation: What's the point of historical lessons if you don't learn from them?

The obvious implication nested in the question being that the only relevant interpretation of history belongs to this hyper-intelligent motherfuck. Or that of his messiah.

151 "Our nation will sink deeper into a crisis that, at some point, <b>we may not be able to reverse."</b>

I like the "we" stuff he uses in this *cough* hope and change address.  "But it's not me, it's the voices in my head saying, 'I didn't do it!'"  He dare not mention the over $600 million in questionable donations, foreign and domestic.  How do you reverse a crisis, but to go to the root cause, and he has no intention of doing that.  Fiat has many faces and it won't be long before a new currency is introduced to help take up the slack of excuses.  I say we tap on the Rothchild's or Rockefeller's door and get back what they ripped off from the people of this country, as well as the rest of the world.  Maybe the Murdoch's are home.

http://tinyurl.com/cxbvjb

152 Between the stupidity of the liberals running the Federal Government and the state of California (which by the way is getting folks real irate with their IOU on tax refunds, heh!), we are seriously thinking of relocating to Arizona or Texas. Enough is enough.

153 You peasants need to shut up and let Dear Leader do whatever he wants.

154 Sears poncho -

Where did that "step down into the presidency" thing come from?  Link?

155 Yeah, what the media said. You rednecks can just go cling to your guns and bibles and let your betters (that would be me you dumb hillbillies) take care of business.

156

On Fox, from Graham of all people. Makes Barry look like an ass and says what everyone is thinking

"Scaring people is not leadership. Writing an editorial that if you don't pass this bad bill we're going to have disaster -- we've had enough presidents trying to scare people to make bad decisions," Graham said. "I like President Obama, but he is not leading. Having lunch is not leading ... and doing TV interviews is not leading"

157

This is an emergency; the normal rules do not apply.

=

"I can't believe you jerks actually looked inside this Trojan Horse before bringing it inside...the nerve!"

158 @156

Well, I'll be damned. My senator got it right for once. Applause where applause is due.

159 FEARMONGER!!!!!

Does this count as "oogity-boogity economics"?

160

News Alert

 

Ruth Bader Ginsburg in hospital for surgery on Pancreatic Cancer. She is 75 years old so look for the “one” getting his first SCOTUS pick soon.

 

This is not unexpected,  she probably delayed this surgery so that it would not be done while Bush was in office.

161 Blah blah...BLAME BUSH...blah...blah...

Comment edited down to its essence.

162

My senator got it right for once

I voted against the SOB. Wrote in my own name.

163 Cause those of us cursed with memories recall the 2006 elections, and prior to that, the underlying factors of the credit crisis.

164 Where did that "step down into the presidency" thing come from?  Link?

Alas, it was a misquote

165 Governor grand stand wants to give free college education to the assembly line workers in her state and she doesn't really care what is in the rest of the bill. 

166 Ok, thanks, Greek Chorus.

167

 

Ruth Bader Ginsburg in hospital for surgery on Pancreatic Cancer. She is 75 years old so look for the “one” getting his first SCOTUS pick soon.

So the Messiah will get to replace one rabidly left-wing judge with another rabidly left-wing judge, only younger. So it's pretty much a push.

Could be worse, I suppose.

168 Read this somewhere on the web (maybe here) a while back:

A foreign group of tourists arrived at the US Capitol for a tour.  The tour guide began by explaining, "Here in America, we have two political parties:  the Stupid Party and the Evil Party.  I'm proud to be a member of the Stupid Party."

He continued, "Sometimes, the parties work together to come up with something that's both stupid AND evil.  We call this 'bipartisanship'."

169 I thank God that Jimmy Carter did not get to pick a Supreme Court judge.

170 Gabe - Also, your title: "What the left is thinking"

(1) The recent election pretty clearly supports that "the left" incorporates tens of millions of people. To suggest they all think with one mind is to mistake them for conservatives, which I doubt you intended.

As the spectacle of President Obama's penning an Op-Ed for the WaPo today shows, he is well aware that when it comes to points of view, "the left" sees that of every individual, even the president of the United States, as individual.

Should you wish to cast blame for the phenomenon of lefties thinking for themselves, then blame Nature, who so loves her humans she has ensured that not all of them act like lemmings.

(2) Flying spaghetti monsters: this was NEWSWEEK, not Mother Jones, let alone the Nation. NEWSWEEK is a 'zine extension of the running-off-in-all-directions-mostly-right-all-at-once mentality of the WaPo, both being owned by the same publisher. NEWSWEEK is the same 'zine that actually tried to label its editorial board chair a "liberal" last week - something which even lefties unified over for a good shared laugh.

Finally: you have an organic disability in approaching the question - and one far more daunting than I would should I invert it. Do you think that were I to boldly go and write "What the right thinks", the responses schphmucking up from the primal ooze here would be identical? Of course not.

(Mind you, I could go to Drudge first and reliably predict what position Ace and each and every one of his Tools here will take ... well, maybe not Dave from Texas, but otherwise.

171 Ginsburg has cancer. In hospital. Uh oh.

172 Ah, the Dog hits us with the "the media isn't really liberal, it's right-wing" argument.

The true sign of a deep thinkker, there.

!!!111!!111Eleventy!!!1111!!!

173 Ah, the Dog hits us with the "the media isn't really liberal, it's right-wing" argument.

I prefer his Argument from Frozen Fruit.

174 This is an emergency; the normal rules do not apply.

I'm sure that Jack Bauer and Dick Cheney will be relieved to see that the Left finally understand the rationale behind the need for the use of "torture".

175 What has the Donks in a tizzy is the fear that the recession will end before they get credit for ending it.

176

174 This is an emergency; the normal rules do not apply.

I'm sure that Jack Bauer and Dick Cheney will be relieved to see that the Left finally understand the rationale behind the need for the use of "torture".

Sure.  But since we are the enemy to Obama, he is going to torture us.

177

Free college education for assembly-line workers. Huh. Did anyone bother to ask those assembly line workers if they WANTED a college education?

See, I work for an insurance company, and we are always hiring for agents. We have interviewed hundreds of people since I started here less than 2 years ago. All you need to do to be an agent is (a) pass a multiple choice test, and (b) pay $300 or so in licensing fees. It's not surprising when people balk at the fees, or at the leper-status that comes with being an insurance agent, or at commission sales (like one memorable girl who asked "is this one of those jobs where you have to work if you want to get paid?") - but the vast majority of our interviewees - especially those from blue-collar backgrounds - are freaked out just by the TEST. They do not want to study for or take a test, period.

I'm sure that SOME people working low-pay jobs (or unemployed) wish they could have gone to college (not that that guarantees a high-paying job either) but it is a cold hard fact that many people who have not gone to college do not want to go to college. Most of them just want a freaking job that pays the bills and doesn't require too much effort on their part. And the less effort for the more pay, the better.

178 Diderot's Dog is kind of an idiot.

179

I think this is the first time that I've ever heard a liberal economist say that boondoggles are inevitable when Keynesian government spending is in operation.

What will this wunderkind come up with next? The discovery that time equals money?

180

To suggest they all think with one mind is to mistake them for conservatives, which I doubt you intended.

Oh, yes, the ideological diversity of your little cult is quite legendary.

Just ask Joe Lieberman.  Or any "liberal" that doesn't believe in a constitutional right to pre-birth infanticide.  Or any "liberal" who believes that Keynes was a buffoon whose ideas -- like Marx's -- have been uniformly disastrous each and every time they've been implemented.

Oh, and reliable liberal cheerleading organ Newsweek is "centrist" because a bunch of left-wing jackoffs got a big laugh out of its editorial board being accurately self-lableled as "liberal".  Or something.

181 @ 178 Alana has kind of a gift for understatement.

Trentk269 @ 179 "I think this is the first time that I've ever heard a liberal economist say that boondoggles are inevitable when Keynesian government spending is in operation."

If they weren't making a PRO-boondoggle argument, and supporting it with the proven uselessness of Keynesian econ, it would be a breakthrough moment for them.  But in the present context, not so much.

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