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A Drunk Pilot or Mass Psychosis?

Fly the friendly skies: Aeroflot passengers refused to let their plane leave because they believed the pilot was drunk.

His slurred and garbled comments ahead of a flight from Moscow to New York convinced passengers that he was drunk. When he apparently switched from Russian into unintelligible English, fear turned to revolt.

Flight attendants initially ignored passengers' complaints and threatened to expel them from the Boeing 767 jet unless they stopped "making trouble". As the rebellion spread, Aeroflot representatives boarded the aircraft to try to calm down the 300 passengers.

One sought to reassure them by announcing that it was "not such a big deal" if the pilot was drunk because the aircraft practically flew itself.

Eventually, the pilot was persuaded to come out of the cockpit (he refused for a good hour) and when he did the passengers described him as unsteady with bloodshot eyes. He protested that he was not drunk, but they demanded that they get a new pilot even after he promised not to touch the controls (there were three other pilots in the cockpit). In fact, they decided that they wanted four new pilots. After a few hours Aeroflot finally agreed, but they're still sticking to their story:

An Aeroflot spokeswoman said that tests had revealed no trace of alcohol in the pilot's blood. She blamed "mass psychosis" among passengers for the decision to replace the crew, although the company later issued a statement saying that Mr Cheplevsky could have suffered a stroke just before the flight.

Exit Poll: The passengers overreacted or the passengers did the right thing?

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at 08:58 PM



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1

"Exit Poll: The passengers overreacted or the passengers did the right thing?"

Had to be there...

Posted by: Lt. York at February 03, 2009 09:02 PM (u3pgy)

2 The did the right thing.  I'm not afraid of flying, but I admit that if my pilot was slurring his words and refusing to come out of the cockpit, I'd be revolting too.  "It flies itself" is not a concept I want to hear outside of a Transformers movie.

Posted by: Elena at February 03, 2009 09:03 PM (30eg4)

3 One [Aeroflot representative] sought to reassure them by announcing that it was "not such a big deal" if the pilot was drunk because the aircraft practically flew itself.

Well, that's the point where, if I were a passenger, regardless of my previous stance, would demand a refund and never return.

Okay, I can buy it if there are no complications and there are three other pilots to cover. On the other hand, it's mind-numbingly unprofessional, and it only deepens my suspicion that this is a sort of standard practice and that the complicit parties (entire plane staff) shouldn't be trusted to keep me alive.

Posted by: Anonymous at February 03, 2009 09:03 PM (EtTEh)

4 Aeroflot representatives boarded the aircraft to try to calm down the 300 passengers.

One sought to reassure them by announcing that it was "not such a big deal" if the pilot was drunk because the aircraft practically flew itself


I would not have stayed on a flight operated by a company with this philosophy.

Posted by: Y-not at February 03, 2009 09:04 PM (aGyOp)

5 Refused to come out of the cockpit for an hour? Drinking pots of black coffee, no doubt.

Posted by: Harry Callahan at February 03, 2009 09:04 PM (GSuFl)

6 After learning about Super Pilots like Capt. Sully, I think everyone would have died if he was drunk. So, I'd have to vote to get rid of the motherfucker because you never know what's going to happen mid-flight. I wouldn't have replaced the whole flight crew though, that's overreacting.

Posted by: Brendenty84 at February 03, 2009 09:06 PM (54lqZ)

7 That guy should never fly again. There is, however, a Senate seat opening up in Massachusetts soon...

Posted by: t-bird at February 03, 2009 09:08 PM (FcR7P)

8 It's an ambiguous situation at best.

There is a problem that proceeded the passengers' actions, however. The problem is that airlines and other companies that hire such critical personnel whose performance is dependent upon being sober and awake need to implement an alternative to drug testing. The pilots should take simple hand-eye coordination and dexterity tests before every flight. If they fail, they shouldn't be allow to fly. It wouldn't matter whether the failure is the result of booze, drugs, illness or plain old exhaustion.

Posted by: adamthemad at February 03, 2009 09:08 PM (kIjlp)

9 I'm a very tolerant person (really!) of employees not measuring up to high standards but there are a few areas where nothing short of excellence is expected.  Airline pilots are one of those.  The passengers called it right this time.

Posted by: katya at February 03, 2009 09:10 PM (oRJZj)

10 When I flew into Moscow back in 2003, we had to pick up an Aeroflot Navigator to go with us on into Chita, Siberia.  Being on a US Navy aircraft, we couldn't drink but I'll be damned if "Ivan" was sitting on the radar cabinet slugging away Russian Standard vodka (which if you can get is damn good vodka)!  That was only the Navigator.  I take a very dim view of drunk pilots or ones that violate the 12 hour rule from last bottle to brief time.

Posted by: CDR M at February 03, 2009 09:10 PM (TJoU6)

11

That guy should never fly again. There is, however, a Senate seat opening up in Massachusetts soon...

AHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Posted by: katya at February 03, 2009 09:11 PM (oRJZj)

12

"One sought to reassure them by announcing that it was "not such a big deal" if the pilot was drunk because the aircraft practically flew itself

I would not have stayed on a flight operated by a company with this philosophy."

I think that we are in a similar situation, though we can't leave...

 

Posted by: blackrockmarauder at February 03, 2009 09:12 PM (GvgvT)

13 We're not talking about US law here. We're talking about the passengers, who made a business agreement with Aeroflot, deciding that Aeroflot didn't hold up its end of the bargain.

A 767 is a fine bird, but any aircraft that you trust to fly itself is asking for an accident.

If you wouldn't get in a car with a driver whom you assume drunk, why would you get into an aircraft, where the chances of survival are even lower in an accident?

tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at February 03, 2009 09:13 PM (AO9vh)

14 Here's to hope and change and worldwide peas.
They did the right thing.

Posted by: sickinmass at February 03, 2009 09:14 PM (/i4dU)

15 "She blamed "mass psychosis" among passengers for the decision to replace the crew"

Soviet-era PR from Aeroflot.

Pilots should provide a quick demonstration of being in possession of a sound mind in sound body eg. by juggling or cartwheeling down the aisle whilst answering questions from people who raise their hands. I think that would convince me.


Posted by: o.u. at February 03, 2009 09:16 PM (EMaKs)

16 7 That guy should never fly again. There is, however, a Senate seat opening up in Massachusetts soon...
Heh.

Posted by: sickinmass at February 03, 2009 09:17 PM (/i4dU)

17

"One sought to reassure them by announcing that it was "not such a big deal" if the pilot was drunk because the aircraft practically flew itself

I would not have stayed on a flight operated by a company with this philosophy."

I think that we are in a similar situation, though we can't leave...

Well, we could.  Wonder what all the Hollywood lightweights would do if a bunch of us left the U.S.  It'd be worth is just to hear the shrieking.

Posted by: katya at February 03, 2009 09:19 PM (oRJZj)

18 Airline passengers have been dicked around for ages.  You're practically a slave once you get on that plane.  Its about time people started getting together.

But come on, Russians being upset with the pilot being drunk?  I'd think they'd be more upset if one of their countrymen WASNT drunk.

Posted by: james at February 03, 2009 09:22 PM (M+D80)

19 If you're flying Aeroflot, a drunk pilot is a net plus.


Posted by: alexthechick at February 03, 2009 09:24 PM (DpFuw)

20 There are Russians who are not drunk?


Posted by: mesablue at February 03, 2009 09:25 PM (5yNaE)

21 The passengers first suspected that the pilot was drunk when they found out that he was a Russian.

Posted by: Dave M at February 03, 2009 09:26 PM (jlm3+)

22 "demanded that all four pilots be replaced"

According to Janes, the 767 has an operating crew of 2 (pilot and copilot/navigator/radio operator, I suppose), plus an observer's seat and an optional second observer's seat. Presumably the 2 additional pilots are there to relieve the first 2 on such a long flight, allowing them time to sleep. If one of the 4 were drunk, then somebody would have to be at the controls for longer than safety rules allow. If another pilot were to be incapacitated then the situation would be even worse.

I vote for replacing not just the pilots but the entire staff of Aeroflot. Preferably in mid-Atlantic. :-)

Posted by: pst314 at February 03, 2009 09:27 PM (XP0Bd)

23 Mass Psychosis? How about a mass ass kicking?

Posted by: UncleFacts at February 03, 2009 09:29 PM (M+Vfm)

24 Somewhere in there is a metaphor for Obama's first two weeks as occupant of the Oval Office.

Posted by: Winston at February 03, 2009 09:32 PM (tBF6E)

25
In Russia, plane crash you.

Posted by: Yakov Smirnof at February 03, 2009 09:37 PM (MJoDX)

26 I love the follow-up -- that the guy might have had a stroke was considered, somehow, "better".

Posted by: cthulhu at February 03, 2009 09:37 PM (Kxfhj)

27 Aeroflot?  AEROFLOT?  The  passengers did the right thing.  After all, I bet every Rooshian in the country knows the story of Aeroflot Flight 593 : LINK


Posted by: mrp at February 03, 2009 09:39 PM (HjPtV)

28 Flying Aeroflot is prima facie evidence of mass psychosis.

Posted by: ricky at February 03, 2009 09:42 PM (muUqs)

29 It wasn't a 767... the media got the type wrong.

Aeroplot suggested that the pilot may have had a stroke, and then suggested that the passengers were hysterical.  It doesn't matter if it's the pilot's fault that he's mentally gone; he should not have been flying.  If the paying passengers all agree that the pilot needs to go, then the pilot needs to go.

Posted by: Boogersnax at February 03, 2009 09:42 PM (8jYMc)

30 Flying Aeroflot is prima facie evidence of mass psychosis.

Beat me to it.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 03, 2009 09:43 PM (ZylhF)

31 I'm not getting the mass psychosis thing. If he was slurring whether from a stroke or drunkeness then he was unfit to fly. I appears (based on the flight attendants statements) that Russia has lower standards for pilot behavior but that doesn't mean the passengers should. Good for them.

If he wasn't drunk or impaired he wouldn't have hold himself up in the cockpit. He would have gone out and calmed the passengers fears by speaking and appearing rational.

And when they say "Aeroflot spokesman" I assume the readers here know that a PR presentation is being made. DUH!

Posted by: mare at February 03, 2009 09:45 PM (X1fsj)

32 We flew Aeroflot in Russia back in '06, and our pilot definitely had a "ruddy" complexion. This wouldn't surprise me in the least—Well, other than the part about the passengers speaking out against it, that is.

Regards,
Brian

Posted by: Brian L. at February 03, 2009 09:45 PM (gHC4P)

33

You only get one shot at life. No sense in letting a Russian airline fuck it up.

On the other hand, it's not like the airline was doing something discriminatory.......like eyeballing a bunch of swarthy, goatsmelling muslim fuckers who insist on laying on the floor to face meckos and praying for death to all infidels while in flight. So...no blood, no foul I guess.

Posted by: pendejo grande at February 03, 2009 09:46 PM (Qhz26)

34 A Russian? Drunk? Nah....Shit, that's like saying the Irish are drunk.

Posted by: SGT Dan at February 03, 2009 09:47 PM (x3vvv)

35 The best part of his day must have been flying a 767 drunk - it kind of sucks for him, when you think about it.

Posted by: o.u. at February 03, 2009 09:48 PM (EMaKs)

36 Well given the Russians long history of respect for the truth, I'd say the "no alcohol" finding is pretty much a crock and inconsistent with the facts.

And alcohol is not the only possible intoxicant.

Posted by: Larry Sheldon at February 03, 2009 09:49 PM (OmeRL)

37 Exit Poll: The passengers overreacted or the passengers did the right thing?

Hard to say for sure...

One sought to reassure them by announcing that it was "not such a big deal" if the pilot was drunk because the aircraft practically flew itself.

Mr Cheplevsky did little to ease passengers' fears by refusing to leave the cockpit to show that he was sober.

Ok, maybe not that hard to say.  Either the pilot was drunk, or for unknown reasons the pilot wanted people to think he was drunk and he was/is just stupid/crazy.

Either way, I wouldn't ride in a car with someone that stupid; much less in a plane.

Posted by: Gekkobear at February 03, 2009 09:49 PM (J0hIL)

38 What's the matter with you don't you know how to mix a good Martini? Here take over the controls I'll show you ( Hackett and Rooney ).

Posted by: Jim Backus at February 03, 2009 09:50 PM (fVuwW)

39 I have flown Aeroflot before. I was drunk.

Posted by: Javems at February 03, 2009 09:52 PM (/IQA9)

40 Off topic.

Did you guys see this promo? Could it be that Hollywood is actually putting out a film that has patriotism at it's core?

http://tinylink.com/?OCTEpCY4JC

Posted by: Locus Ceruleus at February 03, 2009 09:53 PM (e2mBS)

41 http://tinyurl.com/

not !Tinylink!

Posted by: 13times at February 03, 2009 09:57 PM (zqbLb)

42 http://tinyurl.com/

not !Tinylink!

Sorry. Relative rookie when it comes to this stuff. What's the difference?

Posted by: Locus Ceruleus at February 03, 2009 10:01 PM (e2mBS)

43

Anybody that climbs on to any Aeroflot flight is taking his life in his own hands. They led the world for decades as the most unsafe airline. When have Russian pilots not been drunk?

Bottom line, the passengers are alive because they did not want a drunk pilot. Good for them.

Posted by: Harry at February 03, 2009 10:04 PM (RxSlU)

44 Da, we Russians love our Vodka! Das vidanja! Now please fasten your seat belt, tovarish, put your seat in the upright position, and pour yourself a nice Stoli!

Posted by: Captain Ivan Ivanovich Ivanoff at February 03, 2009 10:04 PM (iafWn)

45

Speaking of psychosis, Primetime is airing one of those "What would you do shows?" where lots of folks keep walking by a crying 'baby' left alone in a hot car. Most people just cpmpletely ignore the situation.

What I'm waiting for is the next segment where they leave a dog locked up.

My guess: many more people will be outraged by the dog.

Posted by: jmflynny at February 03, 2009 10:08 PM (iGZNP)

46 tinylink redirects the page while tinyurl is a direct link.

Posted by: 13times at February 03, 2009 10:08 PM (zqbLb)

47

#10 'that violate the 12 hour rule from last bottle to brief time'

In engineering, that rule means you need to have a bottle in your hand within 12 hours of putting the last one down.  Many bilges have been visited by me on duty day mornings back when I was just a little booter.  Sorry to all the guys in Main 4 on the FID back in 85-88.

Posted by: navycopjoe at February 03, 2009 10:10 PM (HVg7Q)

48 13times

Thanks for the upgrade.

Posted by: Locus Ceruleus at February 03, 2009 10:10 PM (e2mBS)

49

I have flown Aeroflot before. I was drunk.

 

I have flown Aeroflot before. I wasn't drunk enough.

Posted by: Prufrock at February 03, 2009 10:11 PM (QMJqR)

50 Oh yeah well here's a thought for you all. How many of our elected officials are alchy's. Maybe this could explain some of the absurd behaviour coming from DC. Ya think?

Posted by: Bill W. at February 03, 2009 10:13 PM (K4Zxt)

51 > the company later issued a statement saying that Mr Cheplevsky could have suffered a stroke just before the flight.

Oh, that's ok then.

Ref the Flight 593 link. I recently watched the "Air Crash Investigation" episode on that flight. Another one of those planes that would almost fly itself. There are no planes that Aeroflot can't crash if they put a little effort to it.


Posted by: Arthur at February 03, 2009 10:14 PM (V4Hp+)

52

A drunk is next to a sacred cow in Russia.  In Moscow, people get up from their seats on the metro to allow a drunk to sit down.

I trust the Russians to know a drunk when they see/hear one.

I don't trust Aeroflot.  Not one bit.

Posted by: SWLiP at February 03, 2009 10:29 PM (IHt34)

53 Aeroflot is fun.  I flew them from East Berlin to Moscow as part of a student exchange during the Cold War years.  The pilots had been ferrying troops in and out of Afghanistan (after the Mujhads got Stingers), so the landing in Moscow was a combat descent.  We went from 30,000 feet to the tarmac in the space of a horizontal mile, it seemed. 

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at February 03, 2009 10:29 PM (LxjSI)

54

Not mass psychosis. This passenger's statement pretty much sums it up:

" I don't think there's anyone in Russia who doesn't know what a drunk person looks like. "

So true comrade. Da.

Posted by: Domme at February 03, 2009 10:32 PM (3xHU0)

55 Aeroplot suggested that the pilot may have had a stroke, and then suggested that the passengers were hysterical.

Stroke or drunk, he can't fly the plane competently.  The 767 might practically fly itself, but pushing the wrong button could disengage the autopilot or change other settings.  I think Aeroflot figured the co-pilot would perform the takeoff, put it on autopilot, and hope the captain had slept it off by the time the plane entered NY flight control. This may be common with Aeroflot and other foreign airlines except this time the captain made the mistake of mumbling over the PA while the plane was still on the tarmac.

Posted by: kbdabear at February 03, 2009 10:32 PM (miw86)

56 Take over, Monty....I'm in the bag.

Posted by: Pilot 1st Class Edvard Doyleski at February 03, 2009 10:35 PM (LxjSI)

57

I once started a passenger revolt on an airplane by accusing the pilot of being a witch. Would've worked too, except he passed the dunking test.

Seriously though, we live in an age where airplane passengers are pretty quick to express their reservations, or beat the crap out of a would-be terrorist if needs be. No more Rawhide Roundups by airliner staff on planes, at least for quite awhile.

Posted by: Squatch at February 03, 2009 10:40 PM (COZb8)

58 Oh yeah well here's a thought for you all. How many of our elected officials are alchy's.

Preshhent!

Posted by: Sen Ted Kennedy (D-Chivas) at February 03, 2009 10:42 PM (EPTWm)

59 I think the passengers were drunk for flying on Aeroflot.

Posted by: Jean at February 03, 2009 10:44 PM (xCBQ4)

60 Being on a US Navy aircraft, we couldn't drink but I'll be damned if "Ivan" was sitting on the radar cabinet slugging away Russian Standard vodka (which if you can get is damn good vodka)!

Russian Standard is pretty easy to get - kind of. BevMo carries it, but the Russian Standard that's sold for export isn't as good as the Russian Standard made for "internal consumption."

Posted by: ErikTheRed at February 03, 2009 10:56 PM (erlfI)

61 There is a great story of Boeing engineers going over to Russia after the fall of the USSR for the purpose of helping improve Airflot maintenance.   They all rode back to Europe on a train, then flew home from there.

Posted by: In Exile at February 03, 2009 10:59 PM (Dw6L6)

62

"State induced learning" - I got money that says the pilot went through flight school drunk; thus, the only way he could possibly fly the aircraft is totally hammered - sober he wouldn't know how to fire up the turbine.

All Aeroflot pilots should have an open bar in the cockpit. All all customers should get double mileage on the 'frequent survivor' program.

Posted by: William at February 03, 2009 11:04 PM (9SBja)

63 Being on a US Navy aircraft, we couldn't drink but I'll be damned if "Ivan" was sitting on the radar cabinet slugging away Russian Standard vodka (which if you can get is damn good vodka)!

Is it better than Val-U-Rite?

Posted by: PA Cat at February 03, 2009 11:18 PM (PGeV7)

64 What is most interesting about this entire story is the fact that the passengers made their opinions known.   That's great.

Posted by: hmmmm at February 04, 2009 12:10 AM (zplc6)

65 DRINKING AND FLYING CAN KILL A LOT OF FREINDSHIPS Oooo Too much suarian brandy and romulian ale

Posted by: Spurwing Plover at February 04, 2009 12:19 AM (DVIZl)

66 People who think for themselves?
And question authority?
Won't take shit from some idiot bureaucrat?

Let's offer these people citizenship.

Posted by: RayJ at February 04, 2009 12:30 AM (o2Td/)

67 What's the matter with you don't you know how to mix a good Martini? Here take over the controls I'll show you ( Hackett and Rooney ).

Go on back and make me an Old Fashioned like Dear Old Dad used to make! 

Just press the button marked, "booze"...

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at February 04, 2009 12:34 AM (d4LHu)

68 Doesn't putting cheap vodka through a filter turn it into quality vodka, since the difference is filtering? (Of course, the last time somebody ran the numbers, the process didn't necessarily pay for itself.)

Posted by: Anonymous at February 04, 2009 12:53 AM (EtTEh)

69

"In engineering, that rule means you need to have a bottle in your hand within 12 hours of putting the last one down.  Many bilges have been visited by me on duty day mornings back when I was just a little booter.  Sorry to all the guys in Main 4 on the FID back in 85-88."

That explains a lot.  I was on the flight deck, not in 4MMR, but it still explains a lot.

Posted by: Larry at February 04, 2009 01:26 AM (xa1/W)

70 This is why you want to avoid "russian airline" :


http://tinyurl.com/d4npgj

Posted by: kal at February 04, 2009 02:01 AM (aa3/Y)

71 I'm getting rather...uh...impatient with this sort of thing. Russian, American, Congolese, Taiwanese, Chinese, Eskimo, whatever... breathalyzer, blood test, piss inna bottle, run the tests, then just take the pilot out back and double-tap him. If ya don't, two years from now, tomorrow, a decade from now, he's just gonna kill somebody. If a feller wants to be drunk/addict, he can do it someplace else. A drunk flyin' an airplane is an unguided missile in disguise.

Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at February 04, 2009 02:02 AM (8h9jD)

72
The passengers did not go far enough.... they should have stoned the pilot to death. Clearly he's an infidel and deserves no less.  Where was their sense of outrage and bloodthirsty communal spirit?  I fear no return to the halcyon days of spontaneous airline traveler sharia...



Posted by: Scott in OC at February 04, 2009 02:04 AM (IWrbC)

73 You know the old Aeroflot joke?

In America, the rule is 24 hours, bottle to throttle.

In Russia, the rule is no drinking within 24 feet of the aircraft.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 04, 2009 02:36 AM (MKNSy)

74 27 Aeroflot?  AEROFLOT?  The  passengers did the right thing.  After all, I bet every Rooshian in the country knows the story of Aeroflot Flight 593 : LINK27

You can still catch that flight too!


Posted by: scaramouche at February 04, 2009 03:48 AM (bNCCK)

75 What's the matter with you people, no sense of adventure? Go ahead, live your boring little uneventful lives. Come on, you only live once.

Posted by: PoconoJoe at February 04, 2009 04:29 AM (qs1Y8)

76 just take the pilot out back and double-tap him

I'm OK with that.  Examples need to be made.  Airliners already take off and fly with far too many booked defects/problems.  We don't need the guys in the seats added to what is likely an already too long list.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at February 04, 2009 06:04 AM (Ygf78)

77 The pilot should've calmed the passengers by telling them his son & daughter were gonna fly the plane.

Posted by: Corona at February 04, 2009 07:00 AM (pI8vF)

78 @77: you mean his drug addicted 12 year old twins?

Posted by: CoolCzech at February 04, 2009 08:05 AM (iafWn)

79 Maybe he was just preping for the Russian version of "Soul plane."

Posted by: Rob B at February 04, 2009 09:13 AM (q32Ly)

80

"68 Doesn't putting cheap vodka through a filter turn it into quality vodka, since the difference is filtering? (Of course, the last time somebody ran the numbers, the process didn't necessarily pay for itself.)"

The Mythbusters tried this and even the novices were able to rate them basically as well as the hired vodka expert.  Filtering made no difference.

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