Polling Data and Other Lies

Once again, blatantly ripped off from Hot Air. Here's the source material from The Politico.

Essentially, a poll taken by Democracy Corps shows that Rush Limbaugh has unfavorable ratings among the infamous "likely voters" of 51% (favorable is 23%), second only to the 59% unfavorable rating held by President George W. Bush (who has a favorable rating of 31%). Others in the same survey include Newt Gingrich (25% favorable: 48% unfavorable), and Sarah Palin ( 41% favorable: 47% unfavorable).

To paraphrase the guys from "The 40-Year Old Virgin": You know how I know this polling data is bullshit?

Senator John McCain.
48% favorable.
37% unfavorable.

Let's make it clear: I have no idea who "Democracy Corps" is and what their agenda consists of; but any poll that shows John "Maverick McClusterfuck" McCain with a favorable rating higher than Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, Fox News AND the generic label of "Conservative" just HAS to be completely FUBAR. I might believe that McCain beats "generic Republican" by 11 points, but the others? You're shitting me here.

This goes way beyond the "I don't believe the numbers" shadow of a doubt. This is well into "Goddamnit, I'm pissed that you think I'm that fucking stupid" territory. There's no way in hell that this polling data wasn't HEAVILY weighted towards Democrats. I'm thinking something like a 60/20/20 split of Dem/Rep/Ind "likely voters". Plus, the data's referenced as being from "last fall". That's a big span of time. Are we talking September? October? November?

And before anyone starts in on Allahpundit for "Eeyorism", please remember that these aren't his polling numbers. Plus, he's looking at this with a New York State of Mind, which makes the distaste for social cons shown in this poll believable. I do think that he's chuckling at being able to throw out more red meat to the blogosphere, but he ain't the guy responsible for this crap. He's just the messenger, so please don't turn the comments into a "two-minute hate" on the man.

One thing I'd like to know: Where the fuck was this poll taken? David Frum's office? Christopher Buckley's vacation cottage? Peggy Noonan's favorite male strip club?

Posted by: Russ from Winterset at 05:51 PM

Comments

1 Democracy Now = James Carville's operation IIRC.

Nuff said.

Posted by: Techie at January 30, 2009 05:54 PM (906oR)

2 er......Democracy Corps., of course.

Posted by: Techie at January 30, 2009 05:54 PM (906oR)

3 I have a book on my shelf called "How to Lie with Statistics." I think I need to reread it.

Ironically, I bought it for my "Econ for Journo Majors" class. Only openly conservative professor I had there. Also my favorite class. Hmmm ...

Posted by: Joanna at January 30, 2009 05:56 PM (qBRUE)

4 Even if it were true, so what? Limbaugh's not running for anything.

Posted by: Eddie the CIA Shyster at January 30, 2009 05:57 PM (qZFLO)

5 What are the numbers for for "Random mongoloid syphilitic retard" vs. "generic Republican"?

That'll really tell a story.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 30, 2009 05:57 PM (kJisp)

6 I'm pretty damn sure the only poll that matters for Rush is the ratings. Those seem to be doing just fine.

Posted by: alexthechick at January 30, 2009 05:57 PM (DMkhn)

This is like having someone present you with polling data that conclusively proves that Jeanine Garafalo is considered to be 32% more sexy than Scarlett Johanssen. Just because someone's got a fancy letterhead and has a nice suit, doesn't mean that they're not trying to sell you a bag full of magic beans, youknowwhatImean?

Posted by: Russ from Winterset at January 30, 2009 05:59 PM (dyz/7)

8
Michael Steele will get wind of this poll and believe it.

Mark my words, Steele's first order of business is to marginalize the conservatives in the party and move the GOP to the center.

Posted by: Darling at January 30, 2009 05:59 PM (736T6)

Are we talking September? October? November?

Nov 4-5,2008.

rtfa.

Posted by: blogRot at January 30, 2009 06:01 PM (EKMxC)

"Democrat Stan Greenberg and his Democracy Corps project".

seriously, rtfa.

Posted by: blogRot at January 30, 2009 06:03 PM (EKMxC)

11
btw, remember that dccc online petition to "stand against Rush?"

yeah, well, Rush-supporters overwhelmingly chimed in with their support. So much so that the dccc had to purge their comments...twice.

Posted by: Darling at January 30, 2009 06:03 PM (736T6)

12
correction: they didn't purge the comments.

Posted by: Darling at January 30, 2009 06:06 PM (736T6)

WTF Ace? Did you actually believe the bullshit polls making Dems and anything Obama looking overly favorable? Its just as much bullshit now as it was when he, they and the MSM did these crank polls. Give the appearance of success depsite the reality.

No effin way is Pres. Ego or his clisterf*ck stimulus favored by even 42%!

The good side of the artificially false polls to boost him is, there is no where else to go but down and down larger numbers! A fake percentage boost for approval means a larger than would have been normal % drop of support.I don't know a sole who believes those polls, even among my friends and coworkers that voted for the fraud.

Posted by: Road King at January 30, 2009 06:07 PM (hphNR)

14 oh god i hope not.....i'm not feeling his 2nd amendment stance but can he really be worse then mike who or mehlman.

Posted by: unamerican libertarian formerly known as e.koenig at January 30, 2009 06:08 PM (2J+Vs)

15 See. This is exactly the type of insightful analysis I've grown to love, have come to expect, and am willing to subscribe for from Ace.

Wait, what? It's Russ from Winterset's?

So, RfW... gotta blog? I might have some pesos and some spare paper clips rattling around my drawers and looking for a home. And I don't mean my desk. Do you have a tip jar, or do you just siphon it off of Ace's?

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 30, 2009 06:08 PM (sI5Ho)

16 8
Michael Steele will get wind of this poll and believe it.

Mark my words, Steele's first order of business is to marginalize the conservatives in the party and move the GOP to the center.

Posted by: Darling at January 30, 2009 05:59 PM (736T6)

Which is a complete seachange from the previous guy. Wait a sec, it might very well be, since I still have no idea what the last guy's basic business plan was, though I suspect it might have looked something like this:

1. Passively take it up the butt from Howard Dean.

2. ?

3. Win Elections.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at January 30, 2009 06:09 PM (wgLRl)

Allahpundit is a dickhead.

Posted by: Barack Barry Hussein Soetero Obama Dunham Fuckhead bastard spawn of a white whore. at January 30, 2009 06:09 PM (RrNq3)

18
That's Numberwang!

Posted by: Dang at January 30, 2009 06:10 PM (Y5LIx)

"These observations are based on the 2,000 sample post-election survey that Greenberg Quinlan Rosner conducted for the Campaign for America�s Future and Democracy Corps on election night and the night afterward. Since 1996 these organizations have collaborated to field a large post-election study and explore why Americans voted the way they did."

and a rather informative observation of the polling group:

"While McCain made the race close at one point, voters ended up with many reasons to be against him. Rather than being the independent and strong leader you could trust, he picked Sarah Palin, and became totally negative and erratic."

I have no idea who "Democracy Corps" is and what their agenda consists of

read the fucking article. its not that hard. click the link, then click the link, then click the link. really simple.

Posted by: blogRot at January 30, 2009 06:11 PM (EKMxC)

20 I'll hate who I want, for as long as I want.

Posted by: right at January 30, 2009 06:11 PM (EquV1)

I would be real careful with the "the polls are bullshit" meme. I recall that many of us were singing that tune in October and November. How did that work for us?

"I won, and I will trump you on that" comes to mind.

That said, if the poll is from November, or even more than a few days ago, it is old news, and therefore....bullshit, as far as we need be concerned.

Methinks His Most Gloriously Jug-Eared Majesty and his adoring courtiers have already reached their apogee.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at January 30, 2009 06:14 PM (wgLRl)

I would be real careful with the "the polls are bullshit" meme.

This poll is bullshit - asking peeps the day after the election "Obama won (and will soon be retaliating against his enemies) - do you feel warm or cold towards Rush Limbaugh?"

Posted by: blogRot at January 30, 2009 06:19 PM (EKMxC)

#20 hate me.

I can take it or leave it and your conscious will be free and unencumbered.

Posted by: The Great Satans Ghost at January 30, 2009 06:20 PM (MLeTE)

Oh, God love ya, Russ, you've shit the bed. Everybody get up. Stand up for Russ.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at January 30, 2009 06:21 PM (wgLRl)

25 sheesh. i need a nap i guess

Posted by: The Great Satans Ghost at January 30, 2009 06:21 PM (MLeTE)

26 I hate to break up another meeting of the Allahpundit Admiration Society, but even though it's not his poll, he sure is acting like it's the gospel truth.

Yes, Limbaugh's been marginalized. Fucking moron.

Double for all the piling on cockholsters in the comments - "I'm a conservative and I HATE Rush. He's a windbag, blahbity blah blah blah."

Ann Coulter would break her dick off inside Allahpundit.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 30, 2009 06:22 PM (bu0Ek)

27 AP is an ass, since you brought up the subject.

The Left is full of themselves and forecasting the 'death of Conservatism,' as if Barry's win in November signals some fundamental shift in the electorate. They ignore, however, the fact that conservatives were alienated from their party because of its behavior over the last number of years and because of the candidate that was nominated. It was less a matter of liberal ascension and more one of conservative disenchantment with the meal on their plate.

For instance, when did Bush's approval ratings really tank? After the amnesty debacle. The number of approval's plummeted because they had finally pushed the base too far.

This poll is just more propaganda trying to write reality rather than represent it. Ignore what your enemies are telling you and trust your own lying eyes.

Posted by: nickless at January 30, 2009 06:22 PM (MMC8r)

28 He's just the messenger, so please don't turn the comments into a "two-minute hate" on the man.

Sure thing! We'll wait until tonight's open thread.

Posted by: Herr Bl�cher at January 30, 2009 06:27 PM (E559v)

29 Rush usually makes a point of ignoring media (radio)competitors but now he's working the circuit?

Has Rush decided that the three hours of his show aren't enough and in fact needs to increase his own media exposure? ( I think hes been on Fox, Levin, Hannity, Larson, NRO and a few others?)

This is slightly puzzling because I don't ever recall him doing this type of thing ( NFL/racist controversy excluded). Does this point to Rush believing he WILL be marginalized if he doesn't step-up and combat this Obama/MSM constructed meme immediately?

I don't listen to Rush so its hard to get a grasp on whats really happening.

Posted by: 13times at January 30, 2009 07:22 PM (HJbd7)

The one thing I abso-fuckin-lutely hate is the undecideds? WTF. Election day had like 12% undecided...Jock itch, pro or con? With 17% undecided. Fuck the undecideds...They should not even count them..."Undecided, sorry sir, fuck you, I have another call to make, asshole"

Posted by: hutch1200 at January 30, 2009 07:22 PM (gZdr2)

31 Poll is obviously skewed. If people liked McLame that much, he would be sitting in the White House right now.

Posted by: '80sBaby at January 30, 2009 07:43 PM (zmiSr)

32 The problem here is the question. It's completely meaningless -- or more precisely, so absolutely able to mean whatever anyone wants it to mean as to make it meaningless.

I can't imagine very many people who voted Obama having an "unfavorable" view of McCain -- the dude rolled over and played dead -- the only "tell" that he was still alive was that he drooled enthusiastically when Barry scratched him near his withered genitals.

Back in '91 or '92, when Gorby came to the US, he made a quick trip through the Twin Cities. The Star-Tribune ran a headline that I still use in my statistics classes: "Minnesotans prefer Gorbachev to Bush." The headline, of course, referred to one of these stupid "favorable/unfavorable" polls. They never bothered to ask: "Whom would you rather have as president of the United States," which, of course, is the only way to measure the issue addressed in the headline.

(Although, after this stupid 2008 Franken debacle, I'm not sure how that question would have turned out, either.....)

Posted by: notropis at January 30, 2009 07:44 PM (2eXPC)

33 What? A misleading/skewed/faked poll? The deuce, you say!

Posted by: Cautiously Pessimistic at January 30, 2009 07:45 PM (ltwze)

Posted by: Muledriver at January 30, 2009 07:47 PM (0GEVN)

35 Another democrat bought and paid for poll, telling us republicans and conservatism is bad.

/yawn

Posted by: UncleFacts at January 30, 2009 07:47 PM (M+Vfm)

36 I stopped reading HotAir months ago because of AllahPundit.

I see she hasn't changed at all.

Faggit.

Posted by: Muledriver at January 30, 2009 07:48 PM (0GEVN)

37 If polls were accurate, they would all agree! Polling has morphed into a media tool used to support agendas.

Posted by: CharlieDontSurf at January 30, 2009 07:57 PM (DyXYG)

38 This poll is also from November '08, so it's old data.

Posted by: '80sBaby at January 30, 2009 08:09 PM (zmiSr)

39 That's already been said; my bad.

Posted by: '80sBaby at January 30, 2009 08:11 PM (zmiSr)

OK, Allah, we'll all just shut up and follow you "enlightened" Republicans.

It worked out so well in November, didn't it?

We did what the moderates wanted--we nominated McCain. Ooooh, right-wingers are scary! We must move to the moderate middle!

And we went down in flames.

I'm pretty sure that Rush reaches more people on his worst day than Allah has in his entire blogging career.

STFU.

Posted by: tsj017 at January 30, 2009 08:32 PM (TV9JE)

41 28 He's just the messenger, so please don't turn the comments into a "two-minute hate" on the man.

Sure thing! We'll wait until tonight's open thread.

Hell I don't even dislike AP, but I do so enjoy the occasional AllahPundit two-minute hates.

Posted by: M�tenloch at January 30, 2009 08:44 PM (BZALp)

42 "Even if it were true, so what? Limbaugh's not running for anything."

No, but it's a way to apply Alinsky's rule to marginalize, imo.

Posted by: Twinks at January 30, 2009 08:48 PM (KGbOi)

43 Fuck with Rush at your own peril.

Posted by: joh at January 30, 2009 09:22 PM (1DPb/)

44 Isn't Democracy Corps the same James Carville who was pulled out of Bill Clinton's whoring ass and now holds morning conference calls with the White House and every major news outlet?

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 30, 2009 10:10 PM (EJmQG)

read the fucking article. its not that hard. click the link, then click the link, then click the link. really simple.

Posted by: blogRot at January 30, 2009 06:11 PM (EKMxC)

You see, Einstein, I don't HAVE to fucking click all the links to find out who the fuck Democracy Corps really is. Their fucking poll saying that John McCain has higher favorability ratings than EVERY other person/organization in the poll tells me that they're full of shit. That particular data point is the "adams apple" of this poll - and after seeing it, I know enough to back off and let less observant 'tards like....well, YOU...continue to buy "her" drinks in an attempt to get some nookie tonight.

It's sort of like how I know not to buy Acme Corp. products from all those years of watching Wile E. Coyote get squished.

Posted by: Russ from Winterset at January 30, 2009 11:43 PM (cdAdD)

46 Hmmm.

"What are the numbers for for "Random mongoloid syphilitic retard" vs. "generic Republican"?"

Hey motherfucker, I am NOT a caveman so don't start that GEICO shit on me!

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48 Polls lie.

Posted by: katya at January 31, 2009 01:09 AM (oRJZj)

and a rather informative observation of the polling group:

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Yeah, that's very informative. It's identical to the Dem talking points from the last month of the election, and it exposes this "poll" as liberal propaganda.

Posted by: Mr. Wednesday Night at January 31, 2009 02:13 AM (FD3EH)

50 About Democracy CorpsDemocracy Corps is an independent, non-profit organization dedicated to making the government of the United States more responsive to the American people. It was founded in 1999 by James Carville and Stanley Greenberg. Democracy Corps provides free public opinion research and strategic advice to those dedicated to a more responsive Congress and Presidency.

The organization was born out of outrage over the impeachment of President Clinton when the leadership in Congress preferred radical partisanship to addressing the issues which really matter to American families. Following the 2000 election, Democracy Corps rededicated itself after the presidential candidate with the most votes and the most popular policy agenda did not become the President of the United States.

Posted by: fg at January 31, 2009 02:23 AM (FUeUa)

51 So, a Democrat front group then. Unsurprising.

Posted by: toby928 at January 31, 2009 09:24 AM (PD1tk)

Dems and RINOs would LOVE to draw a bright line and create a war between the grassroots, Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin, AoS crew, type of conservatives on one side; and the McCain, Peggy Noonan, "we're conservative but we hate Rush & Coulter they're a pox on conservatism", elite Republicans on the other.

We followed the lead of the media and the squishy moderates this past election cycle. That worked out pretty well for conservatives and the Republican party didn't it? On the other hand, the furthest left moonbat Kos kids, blogosphere lunatic wing of the Democratic party never blinked. Geez, who's running things now?

And BTW, they have the most liberal guy in the Senate with his boffo stimulus package in the WH, and they're getting pissed, it's still not near enough for them.

I normally believe you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar, but look at the results. Bile and vitriiol have done the Dems pretty well recently.

Posted by: RM at January 31, 2009 10:32 AM (XWJh5)

53 Come on now, you're saying that James Carville has an agenda other than getting the truth out there so people can make informed decisions? Wingnut.

Posted by: RM at January 31, 2009 10:36 AM (XWJh5)

Democracy Corp was founded to propagandize against Pres Clinton's impeachment proceedings. It is 100 percent suspect just like Media Matters another Clintonite propaganda group.

Posted by: eaglewingz08 at January 31, 2009 10:48 AM (qh8b9)

Allahpundit deliberately picked an old poll to mislead people about the present. So this isn't just a case of shoot the messenger.

It's a case of shoot the LIAR.

While we're on the subject, lying seems to be a constant among these RINO's. Case in point: Ryan Sager claims to be a libertarian. He even claims to support gun rights. So who does he want for President? Michael Bloomberg. While he claims this is because Bloomberg is pro-choice, this doesn't distinguish him from any other half-assed Republican from the coasts. What does distinguish him is the only thing anyone outside NYC knows about him: that he leads a group of gun-control mayors. Sager, and every other closet Communist claiming to be a libertarian, hates gun owners because she (yes, that was deliberate) knows every last one of us is a real man who can kick his parasitic gun-fearing ass. But since guns are enormously popular, he lacks the balls to say so.

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