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Poll: 44% Say Global Warming Due to "Planetary Trends" Rather than Humans

"Planetary Trends" being a catch-all for natural processes like cyclical warming and cooling periods, oceanic and volcanic effects, and (I hope, though it doesn't say so in the question) for variations in that big ball of fusion-fire hanging right over us. The last theory--that solar input has overwhelmingly the largest effect on average global temperatures--just roared into the public mind this past year with the discovery that several solar cycles seem stuck at historic minimums.

The poll:

Forty-four percent (44%) of U.S. voters now say long-term planetary trends are the cause of global warming, compared to 41% who blame it on human activity.

Seven percent (7%) attribute global warming to some other reason, and nine percent (9%) are unsure in a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey.

Fifty-nine percent (59%) of Democrats blame global warming on human activity, compared to 21% percent of Republicans. Two-thirds of GOP voters (67%) see long-term planetary trends as the cause versus 23% of Democrats. Voters not affiliated with either party by eight points put the blame on planetary trends.

In July 2006, 46% of voters said global warming is caused primarily by human activities, while 35% said it is due to long-term planetary trends.

In April of last year, 47% of Americans blamed human activity versus 34% who viewed long-term planetary trends as the culprit. But the numbers have been moving in the direction of planetary trends since then.

What a pity that just as we started winning the information war global warming alarmists have taken the White House and Congress.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at 08:08 PM



Comments

1 The other 56% believe global warning is man-made. They also reported they love the taste of ass.

Posted by: jaleach at January 19, 2009 08:14 PM (gHrZU)

2 "What a pity that just as we started winning the information war global warming alarmists have taken the White House and Congress."

Not only that, but after a few years of unnecessary and costly programs to "fight global warming", they will say "It's working" when the planet continues to cool as it has been for the last so many years.

Posted by: Jim Digriz at January 19, 2009 08:14 PM (JXVdw)

3 Man, this planet does need some culling of the herd.  There are too many in this country that have gone full retard.

Posted by: CDR M at January 19, 2009 08:16 PM (TJoU6)

4 Yes, but that means an increasing number of voters will see their activities as unmitigated foolishness.

Posted by: Methos at January 19, 2009 08:16 PM (u78my)

5 the Sun and the El Nino/La Nina cycle is responsible for the cooling we're seeing.

That's why those scumbag science fakes are claiming that the effects of global warming won't show up for ten years or so.
I.E. - about the time the El Nino/La Nina cycle flips again so they can panic libtards and the ignorant over the next ten or so year period.

Posted by: rinseandspit at January 19, 2009 08:23 PM (oEAm5)

6 More than any other issue in Human existence, global warming demands direct democracy for solutions. Anything else could result in the world's destruction due to the selfish interest of special interest groups and lobbiests.

Posted by: Druid at January 19, 2009 08:26 PM (mdr+B)

7 I wonder what their plan to stop advancing glaciers will be when AGW all falls apart?  A lot of New York used to be under a sheet of ice about a mile thick.

Then again, fuck'em.  I plan to stay in Florida.  The whole north east can glaze over and I won't care.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 19, 2009 08:28 PM (Z0HFQ)

8 in that big ball of fusion-fire hanging right over us.

Not that I would know, since I haven't seen it in weeks.  Not that I'm getting SAD or anything.  If you'll excuse me, I have to return to rocking in the corner and chanting "fire bad, tree pretty".

Posted by: alexthechick at January 19, 2009 08:33 PM (GY1/+)

9 Not that I would know, since I haven't seen it in weeks.

So this would be the wrong time to mention that it's been in the 80s here all week?

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at January 19, 2009 08:35 PM (rWvvO)

10 What percent say Global Warming is due to James Hansen fudging the numbers?

Posted by: notropis at January 19, 2009 08:35 PM (MGs0J)

11 So this would be the wrong time to mention that it's been in the 80s here all week?

Look.  I was promised that y'all would catch on fire.  I'm bitterly clinging to that with all my might.

Posted by: alexthechick at January 19, 2009 08:37 PM (GY1/+)

12 >>So this would be the wrong time to mention that it's been in the 80s here all week?

Gabe,

I hate you.

Sincerely
Tushar

Posted by: Tushar at January 19, 2009 08:40 PM (PTWes)

13 The Cardinals are the NFC Champs, and it will probably snow in Phoenix.

Posted by: Pelayo at January 19, 2009 08:41 PM (nw+cE)

14 The planet had a FEVER but now its got CHILLS

Posted by: tobwing plover at January 19, 2009 08:41 PM (PD1tk)

15 Just because we've had temps in the 80's doesn't mean life is perfect here. We get IOUs for our state income tax refunds...

Posted by: XBradTC at January 19, 2009 08:41 PM (+5ux/)

16 Look.  I was promised that y'all would catch on fire.  I'm bitterly clinging to that with all my might.

There's still time. Supposed to be warm this next week too, though we might have some rain on Wednesday.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at January 19, 2009 08:44 PM (rWvvO)

17

Great article that needs more exposure:

http://tinyurl.com/9qb2j5

And an excellent site with posts totally contemptuous of "global warming":

http://tinyurl.com/7fgb9u

Check out some of the links at SeaBlogger for much much more on the global warming scam.

Posted by: maxxman at January 19, 2009 08:45 PM (OYeDg)

18

13 The Cardinals are the NFC Champs, and it will probably snow in Phoenix.

That would be awesome! We're on FIRE here at 80-sumpin degrees. I hate having to run the A/C in January.

Posted by: Cyn (C In Az) at January 19, 2009 08:47 PM (GiRra)

19 If the Planet had a Fever, I'm guessing that Cow Bell Thingy worked.

Posted by: Cyn (C In Az) at January 19, 2009 08:49 PM (GiRra)

20 So this means by a 3-to-1 margin that Democrats are effing stupid, right?

Posted by: Fresh Air at January 19, 2009 08:49 PM (dlX/M)

21
It was just a couple of years ago that the eco-freaks were citing data which showed the earth's mean temperature rising and the ice-caps melting as evidence of global warming.

Do those data still hold up, or what?

Posted by: Darling at January 19, 2009 08:49 PM (Gsf+S)

22 We're on FIRE here at 80-sumpin degrees.

Are you still naked?

Posted by: toby928 at January 19, 2009 08:51 PM (PD1tk)

23

toby928 at January 19, 2009 08:51 PM

HAHAHAHA!!!! Yes; it's that hot here and I'd really love to see the Cards win in 2 weeks [not that there's a snowball's chance in hell Phoenix of this happening, though.]

Posted by: Cyn (C In Az) at January 19, 2009 08:55 PM (GiRra)

24 I blame the tides on the gravitational attraction of Michelle Obama's fat ass.

I mean good lord, Luke Skywalker would be awed by that badonkadonk..

Posted by: Unclefacts at January 19, 2009 08:55 PM (M+Vfm)

25 Darling--

(a) Define "global mean temperature"?
(b) The ice caps aren't melting. Antarctica ice is expanding in some areas and contracting in others. The Arctic Circle is not melting at all. Iceland is a disaster.

Posted by: Fresh Air at January 19, 2009 08:56 PM (dlX/M)

26 Darling--

Also, if you do define global mean temperature the same way the eco-freaks do, then the planet has been cooling since 1998. Take a while for the news to penetrate the Chamber of Stupidity they live in.

Posted by: Fresh Air at January 19, 2009 09:00 PM (dlX/M)

27 It's really nice that less and less believe in something that has yet to happen.

But, that doesn't help me here in Michigan.

It's fucking cold!!!

Bring on some of that man made global warming -- now!

Posted by: mesablue at January 19, 2009 09:00 PM (5yNaE)

28 Global warming is caused by Algore's lard ass.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 19, 2009 09:02 PM (HPH1q)

29 The planet had a FEVER but now its got CHILLS

I'll never forget when I heard that scientifically illiterate cocksucker saying that garbage in a cloying, NAMBLA-goes-to-nursery-school voice on television and thought "Who could be fucking dumb enough to listen to that shithead about anything?"

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 19, 2009 09:02 PM (ZW5eD)

30 What percent say Global Warming is due to James Hansen fudging the numbers?

And just yesterday he came out with some other ridiculous statement. 

How long before he gets a cabinet appointment?

Posted by: mesablue at January 19, 2009 09:03 PM (5yNaE)

31

"And just yesterday he came out with some other ridiculous statement."

Cracks finally appear in the Bush Administration gag orders.  This great scientist has been silenced by Bush for the last eight years.  Just ask him.  The poor man has been screaming about how his free speech rights have been taken away by the anti-science Bushies since 2001.  Don't know why nobody thought of firing his ass; guess they were having too much fun oppressing him by, umm, silencing him quieting him demoting him shunning him giving him a taxpayer-funded forum to promote his unscientific ideology.  The science-hating Bushies refused to give Dr. Hansen unlimited powers over our economy, foriegn policy, and homeland security.  Goddamn Christianists, anyway. 

Posted by: notropis at January 19, 2009 09:15 PM (MGs0J)

32 I just wanted to take a moment to tell all of you that Obots are all cocksuckers. This has nothing to do with the topic of global warming, it's just how I feel.

Their continued douchefuckery makes me laugh. I hope they all cry tears of misery and fear tomorrow when Mr. Hussein Obama is inaugurated and doesn't give'em a damn thing they hoped for

Posted by: Nick at January 19, 2009 09:15 PM (BkTzm)

33 I think that poll vastly overstates the strength of the global warming view, at least in my neck of the woods.  I'm surrounded by lefties and nuts here in PA, and its tough to find anyone who takes this jive seriously.

Posted by: james23 at January 19, 2009 09:17 PM (Vc/xe)

34 drop dead, Nick

Posted by: james23 at January 19, 2009 09:19 PM (Vc/xe)

35 Hey Nick, you are the one that is going to be choking on the choad when all of your dreams fall apart over the next couple of years as Bambi panders to the polls and never accomplishes a single thing.

We'll just sit back and laugh while hippies start lighting themselves on fire in protest.

And, without a fraction of the hate the insane left has shown over the last eight years.

Posted by: mesablue at January 19, 2009 09:21 PM (5yNaE)

36 I live in Hawaii. Neither global warning nor global cooling will affect us...much...Obamessiah will fuck up traffic when he visits us to "commune with the aina", this is my biggest concern - that and the fact my IRA is being wiped out. I gotta get a gun.

Posted by: HawaiiLwyr at January 19, 2009 09:23 PM (SEBPF)

37 Nick's dreams have already fallen apart given Obie's plethora of Clinton retreads and backtracking on major promises.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 19, 2009 09:24 PM (Z0HFQ)

38 Good one, James.

Ok, all kidding and insults aside, I'd like to ask one question: Do you guys honestly believe that John McCain and Sarah Palin were the best choice this election? Would you feel all warm and fuzzy had they won and were being sworn in tomorrow? With a Dem congress, the partisan gridlock would get us nowhere. At least this way when the Dems overreach, you'll have targets to shoot at and point to and say that they are wrong.

And for the record, I'll agree with you. I still think you're all cocksuckers, but you'll be right. Eat shit and die, all of you.

Posted by: Nick at January 19, 2009 09:24 PM (BkTzm)

39 The Boy Who Cried Wolf and Chicken Little's lesson should be taught in school but no there's more money in fear mongering.  By the way its colder than shit here in Cincinnati.

Posted by: Dan at January 19, 2009 09:25 PM (ygjiI)

40 >>Nick:  I just wanted to take a moment to.....<<

be an ungracious lout. 

I doubt I'll feel like Nick felt in 2000.  Or any other year, for that matter.

Thank God.

Posted by: SlaveDog at January 19, 2009 09:25 PM (Dn0LG)

41

"I hope you all cry tears of misery and fear tomorrow when Mr. Hussein Obama is inaugurated, and you all can feel how I felt in 2000. Oh wait, it won't quite be the same, because you didn't get ripped off."

So, you cried tears of misery and fear in 2000?  That makes my day, or possibly even week.  And you think we'll cry?  No, Nick, we're not PUSSIES.  But it's affirming to know that you are.

Posted by: notropis at January 19, 2009 09:26 PM (MGs0J)

42

Now Nick, stop trying to be difficult.  I know it's been hard on you, and you were desperate for attention, but fear not because even though you have made very unkind remarks about the Moron Nation, I will continue to fuck you up the ass on demand. 

Stop being the bitch, and just accept it for what it is.  It's me mounting you for a great conservative liberal ass pumping, even with your moaning and groaning like a bitch.  It's just cock Nick, and it's all you ever wanted.

PS Love when you swallow!

Posted by: Fish at January 19, 2009 09:28 PM (CG+cG)

43 Nick, you say gridlock lick its a bad thing.  The less government can accomplish the better off we are, Dan

Posted by: Dan at January 19, 2009 09:28 PM (ygjiI)

44 Given the poll-driven nature of the Democratic party, I'd say having the people learn the truth and move against Al Gore's lies will change their minds too.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 19, 2009 09:30 PM (PQY7w)

45 where does john mccain stand on the issue?  he's having his ass kissed for being a great public servant tonight-with the stroking he is receiving, you know what side of the issue he'll be voting as the media "rediscovers" his wisdom.

Posted by: ejo at January 19, 2009 09:30 PM (oOHC5)

46

Do you guys honestly believe that John McCain and Sarah Palin were the best choice this election?

The true best choice was Bob Barr.  McCain and Palin were second best. With a Democrat controlled congress, gridlock is the best we can hope for.

Posted by: Pelayo at January 19, 2009 09:32 PM (nw+cE)

47 Do you guys honestly believe that John McCain and Sarah Palin were the best choice this election?

McCain, obviously no, he was one of the worst possible R choices, and if you ever followed this blog the least little bit, you'd know there was a LOT of McPain thrashing going on here.

But you clearly never followed this blog, so I'll just write you off as a drive-by ill-informed  asshole.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 19, 2009 09:33 PM (Z0HFQ)

48 Hey little Nicky. Yeah you with the Barry dildo jammed up your ass. Do you believe that punk ass bitch Obama has any fucking clue as to what he's doing. Don't give us the party line be honest. That is if a brain dead lefty wanker can be honest.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 19, 2009 09:33 PM (HPH1q)

49 Do you guys honestly believe that John McCain

No on McCain. That was a joke dumped in our lap by Huckabee.  

If an actual Republican had been our nominee, Republicans would not have stayed home.

Posted by: mesablue at January 19, 2009 09:35 PM (5yNaE)

50 I thought Global Warming was caused by the need to end Capitalism?

Posted by: jep at January 19, 2009 09:41 PM (2WxaD)

51 I'm waiting for the "test" Biden talked about.  Gonna be a lot of buyers remorse after that one.  The only thing that might save Obie's bacon is Hillary.

I believe she's capable of looking some miscreant thug in the eye and telling them "you really don't want to do that", and have it sound credible.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 19, 2009 09:41 PM (Z0HFQ)

52 I've always understood why politicians like former Sen James inhoffe and other GOP policy makers have argued against global warming - Simple dollars and cents and kow-towing to the Oil industry and other industries' need to pollute to save money. But I can't for the life of me understand why you guys take up your opposition so vigorously. I mean what's in it for you? Nothing. Nothing but a chance to parrot GOP talking points like a bunch of blathering idiots. There's no campaign funds or support in it for you. There's no jobs as oil and coal industry lobbyists waiting for you at the end of your rant. Your a bunch parroting, contrarian lemmings spouting a postion that does nothing for you in the end. Every single respected atmospheric scientist in every world  has come to the same conclusion. You continue to spew Co2 into the atmosphere, the world will get hotter. Simple. You guys are like saying "Polly Want A cracker" with no cracker in the end... Sad... Every hack willing to spout unscientifically sound nonsense just to make a buck ought to have a peanut gallery like you...

Now go on..  keep spouting your nonsense and helping (blowing) those on the take who will never do anything to let you in on it... Ready Go!

Even cheap whores refuse to work for free... morons!


Posted by: Tim at January 19, 2009 09:41 PM (UiUdR)

53

I've mentioned my background in an earlier thread; I worked for 32 years as a meteorologist for the U.S. Air Force, so I feel this is a subject I can address with some reasonable understanding and authority.

 

A couple of things are true: we have created "heat islands" centered around our major population centers, where the temperatures are and will remain several degrees warmer than they would be if we weren't pouring hundreds of square miles of concrete, chopping down trees and burning fossil fuels. Also, we're spewing gaseous byproducts into our atmosphere at alarming and unhealthy levels, particularly in places like Los Angeles, where the gaseous wastes of 11 million people are trapped in a shallow basin with no effective venting mechanism other than an occasional outbreak of the Santa Ana Winds. These aren't good things, and I'm not against some reasonable efforts to restrict and control these human activities. But that isn't the same thing as "global warming" (which is now being referred to as "climate change", in case some of you didn't get the memo).

 

All of the actual data I have seen suggests to me that the global atmosphere is in fact able to pretty efficiently process the worst we can throw at it, with almost no net effect on the global scale. It's kind of like a treeful of monkeys crapping on each other and thinking - through delusions of grandeur - they've soiled the entire forest.

 

In spite of human activity over the past hundred years, the single largest source of atmospheric carbon dioxide (aka "plant food"), is and will remain the Pacific Ocean. This increases and decreases globally as the ocean heats and cools around a roughly 25 year natural cycle. This is called the "Pacific Decadal Oscillation" in case any of you are interested in further reading. A secondary source of naturally occurring carbon dioxide is volcanic activity. Oddly, one of James Hansen's primary sources for monitoring atmospheric CO2 is an observatory located next to an active volcano on an island in the Pacific Ocean.

 

As well, the biggest single factor affecting the global heating/cooling pattern is the Sun, which is why scientists have discovered the same warming/cooling cycles on Mars as they've identified on Earth.

 

None of which is to say we should have no concern for our environment. Localized efforts to clean up, say, the Hudson River don't need to have the status of a global movement in order to remain valid on their own merits. And this is the problem inherent to the "global warming" true-believers: it isn't enough any more for them to just clean up New York and L.A. They've appointed themselves as the guardians of the world, and have crossed the line from real science to religion.

 

So let's develop some great new technologies. When they come up with a flying car that runs on cold fusion and carries a $20k pricetag, I'll buy one. But cutting NASA funding for space research (which is most likely to actually produce a flying car) and channeling the money into obstructionist eco-warrior programs is not the way to get there.

 

Here's my policy statement: if you live someplace like Detroit or Newark (or Beijing for God's sake), clean up your mess. But don't blame me for it; I live in Tennessee.

Posted by: Old Tom at January 19, 2009 09:42 PM (f1yKn)

54

Nick, you obviously haven't been paying attention to us.  Most of us love Palin.  Most of hated the thought of voting for McCain.  He was the lesser of the two evil's we had to choose from.

Posted by: katya at January 19, 2009 09:44 PM (oRJZj)

55 But I can't for the life of me understand why you guys take up your opposition so vigorously.

I don't suppose that thinking AGW is bullshit ever occurred to you eh?

Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 19, 2009 09:46 PM (Z0HFQ)

56 I still get a kick out of seeing Democrats, with the most cartoonish idea of what Republicanism and conservatism is, try to argue politics.

You seriously expect anybody on any major conservative websites, much less this one, to feel offended and defensive over John McCain?

Have you followed the other side at all?  Ever?

Dude, I know you guys avoided actual debate with the other side throughout school and as much as possible for the rest of your life (hence, why you're still a liberal), so it can be difficult and I applaud you for actually attempting it - but at this point it just looks silly.

Posted by: AD at January 19, 2009 09:46 PM (sjcEM)

57 This election proved that the creators of "American Idol" were geniuses.  They understood the decayed state of a overly-wealthy nation who lost there way. "Lets vote for the guy with the weird hair doo", the populace cried. "Lets vote for Obama", whoever he is, and they voted.
It is the last throws of a dying empire. 300 years, that's it, get your social security now, remember the "greatest generation", they are about gone.

Posted by: NortonPete at January 19, 2009 09:48 PM (fVuwW)

58

I believe she's capable of looking some miscreant thug in the eye and telling them "you really don't want to do that after all the money you've donated to my husband's double-wide presidential library?", and have it sound credible.

FTFY

Posted by: VJay at January 19, 2009 09:51 PM (k87Wm)

59 Tim , I'm fairly sure that you're what's known as a useful idiot.

Every single respected atmospheric scientist in the world is on board with this
scam ? Bullshit.

Posted by: aubrey at January 19, 2009 09:52 PM (sRIn2)

60 Is this the same James Hansen...cause I'd love to see something like this tomorrow.

Don't worry about the solar output--DoD's Skynet Protocol is working on a Trilithium satellite to extinguish that great cause of skin cancer and morning glare. 

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at January 19, 2009 09:55 PM (n2eCn)

61 Nick, nice to see your owner let you out of his ass, so you could come here and post.

Posted by: Unclefacts at January 19, 2009 09:57 PM (M+Vfm)

62 "Lets vote for the guy with the weird hair doo", the populace cried. "Lets vote for Obama", whoever he is, and they voted.
It is the last throws of a dying empire. 300 years, that's it, get your social security now, remember the "greatest generation", they are about gone."

...
But no president has brought us closer to a dying empire like your guy, Bush, Norton Pete...No one. The GOP is currently holding the trophy for Most Disastrous President of the Millennium... I'm tired now. You angry republicans are a bunch of moonbats... I'm outta  here, This place is caustic....and sad.


Posted by: Tim at January 19, 2009 09:57 PM (UiUdR)

63

Every single respected atmospheric scientist in every world  has come to the same conclusion.

Except for, you know, the "all of them" that aren't in the modeling community and actually collect data and employ the scientific method, right?  Because the list of "scientists" willing to sign on to the same bullshit, laughable-on-its-face theory (CO2 is a toxin!!!!!111) that you've apparently signed on to is shrinking, shrinking, shrinking by the hour.

Because, dumbass, the world is getting colder.  And it sucks far worse than any imaginary wet dreams you've had about "global warming".

You continue to spew Co2 into the atmosphere, the world will get hotter. Simple.

You certainly are simple, retard, because there's no evidence that CO2 is a causal factor in global warming.  CO2 increases lag climate warming by an average of 800 years, using the same data with which multi-time college dropout Al Gore suckered your dumb ass with his propaganda flick.  And why, using the same data again, was the CO2 concentration of the atmosphere 10 times what it is now during the height of the last ice age if your CO2+ = temp+ equation is so clearly sound?

Posted by: VJay at January 19, 2009 09:59 PM (k87Wm)

64 53 Old Tom, Well stated. I agree with everything you have written.

Posted by: NortonPete at January 19, 2009 10:01 PM (fVuwW)

65

Tim-

 

"Most Disastrous President of the Millenium"???

 

That sounds really, really bad, until you consider that he's been, so far, the only president of the millenium.

 

God in heaven, man. Work on your insults. You live liberals a bad name. And, you will be back. Your narcissism can't handle not knowing if anyone answered you.

Posted by: Old Tom at January 19, 2009 10:02 PM (f1yKn)

66 I'm outta here,

-

Steps 1 and 2 of the 2-step Democrat debating playbook:

1. Shut up! . . . Shut up, shut up, shut up! Lalalalala, I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!!!!

(repeat as necessary)

2. Screw you guys, I'm going home.

Posted by: AD at January 19, 2009 10:03 PM (sjcEM)

67 Every single respected atmospheric scientist in every world has come to the same conclusion.

Wow, you mean even Dr. Spock on planet Vulcan?

Well. That settles it, then!

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 19, 2009 10:03 PM (iafWn)

68

...But no president has brought us closer to a dying empire like your guy, Bush, Norton Pete...No one.

Buh buh buh -- we've never been an empire, Tom.  Right?  Even considering ourselves as such was symptomatic of the racist, provincial, hegemonistic thinking that required us to elect an unaccomplished, mediocre, hyper-corrupt machine politician from a banana republic like Chicago to the highest office in the land simply because 6% of his blood claims origin in the biggest cluserfuck of a continent the world has ever known.  Right?

Posted by: VJay at January 19, 2009 10:04 PM (k87Wm)

69 But no president has brought us closer to a dying empire like your guy, Bush

Yeah, I remember that loser empire that tried to overthrow the Taliban and Saddam's government but epically failed only a month into those endeavors...oh wait.

The GOP is currently holding the trophy for Most Disastrous President of the Millennium.

I think it's already been mentioned in previous posts that Bush is both the Greatest and the Worst President of the 21th century, since he was the first one elected in the 21th century.  But we're pretty sure that Messiah is going to contest Bush for your title of the "Most Disastrous President of the Millennium" with what we've seen and heard from him so far.

"I'm tired now. You angry republicans are a bunch of moonbats."

Your Kos-fu is weak, grasshopper.  We should be described as "wingnuts".  And don't tell me that you aren't the one who was driving around my campus with "Impeach Bush!" and "Not my President" bumper stickers proudly on display.

I'm outta  here, This place is caustic....and sad.

I think that was a bit of projection for either Huff Po or Kos...

Posted by: mitthrawnurdo at January 19, 2009 10:06 PM (otlXg)

70 @63: none of that matters, VJay. All that matters to the climate change moonbats is that we all engage in their new religious rites: you know, like ritually separating newspapers from cardboard and cans from glass, etc., and all the other observances their strange new gods demand.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 19, 2009 10:07 PM (iafWn)

71 62 Norton Pete...No one. The GOP is currently holding the trophy for Most Disastrous President of the Millennium... I'm tired now. You angry republicans are a bunch of moonbats... I'm outta  here, This place is caustic....and sad.

Did I actually accomplish something? He's outta here? I know I'm annoying and I have been fairly successful in causing tele-marketers to jump out windows but did I actually cause a Obamation to jump ship? No, I'm just not that good, got to work on the delivery, got to work on the prose.....

Posted by: NortonPete at January 19, 2009 10:08 PM (fVuwW)

72 Well, I see that Nick and Tim stopped pumping each other long enough to come in and spew their "Obama is the Messiah, we have our Unicorns already" bullshit.

Old Tom...thanks for the info.  I'm one that believes that the solar sunspot cycle also ties into the heating/cooling cycle of the planets Increase in sunspots and solar activity = increase in surface temperate).  We're coming to the end of a solar sunspot cycle, so i would expect surface temperatures to be lower for the next couple of years.

Algore is nothing but a pimp...trying to make himself relevant since he couldn't get himself elected to be POTUS...AGW is his "cross to bear" to keep himself in the spotlight.

Posted by: Buck Naked - Pron Star at January 19, 2009 10:08 PM (utes0)

73 This place is caustic

Go fuck yourself.

Posted by: mesablue at January 19, 2009 10:11 PM (5yNaE)

74 "I know I'm annoying and I have been fairly successful in causing tele-marketers to jump out windows but did I actually cause a Obamation to jump ship?

Heh, heh... that reminded me of my favorite tele-marketer game in pre-Don't Call List days...

"Yes, I'm very interested... oh, oh... someone's at the door... can you hold just for ONE minute, please?"

Heh, heh... as far as I can tell, some of them are STILL waiting for me to get back to the.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 19, 2009 10:12 PM (iafWn)

75 The problem with that 44% number is that 56% see global warming as man-made, if I am reading that right. That's disturbing. Because that 56% is dumb enough to believe the global warming hype while the portions of the world are seeing record cold.
Worse, there's not a thing the electorate can do about it. The Congress under Pelosi is drunk with power and they're going to pass whatever the please - voters be damned.
One may be able to understand that a few congressional members may be foolish enough to actually believe in the global warming hype, but many are feeling the cold temperatures firsthand. They don't believe it. So the only other explanation is that they are doing what Democrats always do - using this to move money from our hands to someone else's.

Posted by: bse5150 at January 19, 2009 10:13 PM (3D+A0)

76 "This place is caustic"

Oh no! The Truth!!! I'm melting!!!!

Posted by: Wicked Witch of the Liberal West at January 19, 2009 10:14 PM (iafWn)

77 Your Kos-fu is weak, grasshopper.  We should be described as "wingnuts".

This is Ace of Spades.  We're "foaming at the mouth Ceasarists"!

Posted by: AD at January 19, 2009 10:15 PM (sjcEM)

78 @74

My sister used to inform telemarketers that the person they were trying to reach has recently died and then start crying.


Posted by: mitthrawnurdo at January 19, 2009 10:16 PM (otlXg)

79 "The problem with that 44% number is that 56% see global warming as man-made, if I am reading that right."

Or you could have read a sentence farther:

"compared to 41% who blame it on human activity.
Seven percent (7%) attribute global warming to some other reason, and nine percent (9%) are unsure in a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey."

Posted by: notropis at January 19, 2009 10:18 PM (EsVXv)

80 @75

It's not that bad...

Forty-four percent (44%) of U.S. voters now say long-term planetary trends are the cause of global warming, compared to 41% who blame it on human activity.

If the story is correct, that 41% used to be 47% in April 2007.  Progress, baby.

Posted by: mitthrawnurdo at January 19, 2009 10:18 PM (otlXg)

81 Mitthrawnurdo, I always thought the best response to telemarketers was to start trying to sell THEM shit, which really freaked them out.

Posted by: Dave J at January 19, 2009 10:19 PM (qsGH+)

82 Or you could have read a sentence farther:

Indeed.

Posted by: Teal'c at January 19, 2009 10:19 PM (rWvvO)

83 I can't help thinking that Hansen's dire warning  - that Obama must take action on GW in his first term to save the planet - is a further sign that the evidence is turning against him.

Expect more hyperbole as the forces of the left see that the President and Congress are aligned on this issue and ready to act.  Let the race begin.  Can they pass caps and trades in time to take credit for the obvious cooling that will occur?

Posted by: Robert at January 19, 2009 10:19 PM (VotgB)

84 75 The problem with that 44% number is that 56% see global warming as man-made, if I am reading that right.

I suspected it's closer to, 20% see global warming as man-made, and the rest don't give a fuck (not unreasonably, I might add).

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 19, 2009 10:20 PM (iafWn)

85 I can't even read anymore.  I guess I'm a moron now too..

/"April 2007" should be "April 2008".

Posted by: mitthrawnurdo at January 19, 2009 10:20 PM (otlXg)

86 Oh oh... if we don't pass the bank bailout in ten days, it's the End of the World

If we don't pass Obama's stimulus package in 30 days, it's the End of the World.

If we don't pass Obama's AGW Abatement PLan in 4 years, it's the End of the World.

What's with all the Fear Mongering, Lefties?

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 19, 2009 10:22 PM (iafWn)

87 Wow, you attack the GW scam, and the moonbats come out of the wood work..

Posted by: ford at January 19, 2009 10:26 PM (Ki7fm)

88

I don't know how many of you saw this item, as it was pretty much limited dissemination to hard-science publications and a few websites, but Hansen's lab actually published Oct '08 as the warmest October on record for the past 100 years, then had to print a retraction when it turned out that their data was skewed by the fact that the Russian observation sites had all re-sent September's temperature data by mistake.

 

The punchline is that the error wasn't caught by anyone on Hansen's team. They had to eat crow as it was discovered by a self-appointed anti-global warming watchdog who keeps a website for that sole purpose.

 

Remember, I spent 32 years processing and analyzing that same global met database, and I don't believe that kind of mistake would occur only once. It is the kind of thing that happens due to systemic bad quality control. How much of the rest of their data is tainted by human error and sloppiness?

Posted by: Old Tom at January 19, 2009 10:27 PM (f1yKn)

89 Every single respected atmospheric scientist in every world has come to the same conclusion.

Heh. This is perversely true in the warped world of Planet Gore (apologies for the theft from NRO), since the warmists make a point of disrespecting scientists like Richard Lindzen, Roy Spencer, John Christy, Freeman Dyson, John Coleman and countless others who dare to point out that their emperor isn't wearing any clothes.

After all, ad hominem attacks are so much easier than refuting the many thoughtful arguments that devastate Jimmy Hansen's PlayStation Climatology.

Posted by: Andy at January 19, 2009 10:27 PM (B+HYX)

90 Old Tom, I bet if the error had gone the other way, they'd have found it inside of 5 minutes. It's very clear that Hansen's predisposed to find warming.

Posted by: Andy at January 19, 2009 10:30 PM (B+HYX)

91 Nick, I say bring on the Skittle-shitting unicorns and ass-rape Shepherd Fairey. Anyone with such a cockholstery name is begging for it.

Posted by: Tattoo de Plane at January 19, 2009 10:37 PM (EJmQG)

92 And, a very, very, very happy 0bamas eve to all. This globull warming crap will be shoved into our necks like John Holmes giving it to Seka, or, someone..Deep Throat style.

Posted by: Hugh Jass at January 19, 2009 10:41 PM (Z9ikA)

93

Wow, you attack the GW scam, and the moonbats come out of the wood work..

You have attacked their Christ. Be prepared.

Posted by: ErikW at January 19, 2009 10:42 PM (hKtiw)

94

The problem with that 44% number is that 56% see global warming as man-made, if I am reading that right.

It's still 44% vs 41% (planetary vs man)  The other 16%  don't know or blame something else, like maybe God. 

44+41+7+9=101 (Somebody rounded a number in the wrong direction.)

Posted by: Pelayo at January 19, 2009 10:44 PM (nw+cE)

95

Andy -

No doubt.

climateaudit.org is a good resource for any of you who are genuinely interested in this subject. I'm trying to figure out how to put in a link to McIntyre's original article.

Posted by: Old Tom at January 19, 2009 10:50 PM (f1yKn)

96

"Somebody rounded a number in the wrong direction."

Not necessarily:

43.8  + 40.6 + 6.8 + 8.8 = 100

44 + 41 + 7 + 9 (nothing rounded in the wrong direction....) = 101

(Many other correct answers are possible....)

Posted by: notropis at January 19, 2009 10:50 PM (MGs0J)

97

How much of the rest of their data is tainted by human error and sloppiness?

One problem was that all these modeling (computer) programs had a constant solar intensity input.  No one dared vary that input lest their pet theory be destroyed.  

I know it is a worm out cliche, but garbage in = garbage out.

Posted by: Pelayo at January 19, 2009 10:50 PM (nw+cE)

98

Hmmm-

Don't know how to use "tinyurl". If anyone wants to see it, click on my name.

Posted by: Old Tom at January 19, 2009 10:51 PM (f1yKn)

99 Speaking of global warming and The Goracle, the ultimate...An Al Gore Ice Sculpture. In Alaska. Perfect.

Posted by: Cyn (C In Az) at January 19, 2009 10:53 PM (fXg2Q)

100 Isn't a poll asking people what is causing global warming equivalent to a poll asking whether Rosie O'Donnel gets her hawtness from her mom or dad?

Globe
warming

Next scare: CO2 doesn't cause warming, but it will cause massive plant growth. We'll hear about the ever-shrinking Sahara and how Gaia is chocking on the imbalance of vegetation. Fucking charlatans.

Posted by: Immolate at January 19, 2009 10:54 PM (CbG1a)

101

Old Tom:

Just paste it into the little window at TinyUrl.com:

http://tinyurl.com/9va24x

That's about all I know about it, and it seems to work.

Posted by: notropis at January 19, 2009 10:55 PM (MGs0J)

102

43.8  + 40.6 + 6.8 + 8.8 = 100

Golly! 

Posted by: Pelayo at January 19, 2009 10:56 PM (nw+cE)

103

43.8  + 40.6 + 6.8 + 8.8 = 100

44 + 41 + 7 + 9 (nothing rounded in the wrong direction....) = 101

How many times do I have to remind you that there's no math on this blog?

Posted by: alexthechick at January 19, 2009 10:59 PM (GY1/+)

104

"Golly!"

Hey, now, I spent many minutes concocting that example! 

Posted by: John Wayne Gacy at January 19, 2009 11:00 PM (MGs0J)

105 OK it's arithmetic, then.

Posted by: Pelayo at January 19, 2009 11:00 PM (nw+cE)

106 Um, probably as often as you have to remind me to turn off my sock puppet?

Posted by: notropis at January 19, 2009 11:01 PM (MGs0J)

107

Hey, now, I spent many minutes concocting that example! 

And  fine job, too.  I said golly because I thought one of the numbers should have had a fraction that was less than half.     

Posted by: Pelayo at January 19, 2009 11:05 PM (nw+cE)

108
All these assholes have is an alleged increase of 1 degree Celsius in the mean temp in the last 100 years. That's it.

Oh, and here's a great example of *proof* that some of these asshole are peddling to the ignorant. It's a perfect example of how this global warming crap is just a mass attempt to strike a blow on Western capitalism and redistribute wealth to the poor.

Posted by: Darling at January 19, 2009 11:06 PM (Gsf+S)

109 The hard part of AGW is wrapping one's skull 'round the fact that global warming will cause an ice age, said global cooling will end in a hot era...

.. sit 'round for a few tens of thousands of years and see for yourself.

Posted by: Druid at January 19, 2009 11:08 PM (mdr+B)

110
If the Earth thawed out from an ice age, why is it so implausible that the Earth will experience some significant natural variations in temperature?

Posted by: Darling at January 19, 2009 11:09 PM (Gsf+S)

111 @92: Yes, a Merry Obamas Eve to you! If you hear someone climbing down the chimney, you need not be alarmed - it's just Barney Frank coming to see if he can leave a little something up your... umm, "stocking". So to speak.

God Bless Us All, Everyone!

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 19, 2009 11:10 PM (iafWn)

112
oh look at the Druid pulling the rug out from under me

don't you have some pagan ritual to go to?

Posted by: Darling at January 19, 2009 11:11 PM (Gsf+S)

113 It's a perfect example of how this global warming crap is just a mass attempt to strike a blow on Western capitalism and redistribute wealth to the poor.

Actually it is an attempt for a few to gain political power at the expense of many. Everything else is incidental.

That old Fascist Mussolini once said he was an 'environmentalist' just to gain power. [that was when saying you were an environmentalist was cool]

Posted by: Druid at January 19, 2009 11:11 PM (mdr+B)

114

http://tinyurl.com/9va24x

Thanks, notropis. Gee, I saved ten whole characters. I'll count that as my contribution for the fight against global warming.

Posted by: Old Tom at January 19, 2009 11:11 PM (f1yKn)

115 I'm tired now. You angry republicans are a bunch of moonbats... I'm outta  here, This place is caustic....and sad.


Timmy,

Before you go to bed make sure you say your prayers to your messiah to keep you a brain dead zombie. Then jam your Barry butt plug as far up as it can go and then have mommy tuck you into bed. Stooge.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 19, 2009 11:13 PM (HPH1q)

116 don't you have some pagan ritual to go to?

Been hugging trees and sucking sap all day now... also enjoying the wonderful experience of downing some old rotten barley and rice water... quite nice nature is.

Posted by: Druid at January 19, 2009 11:14 PM (mdr+B)

117
It's funny that you mention Mussolini because Rush was right -- Obama simply recycled the same old Leftist populist crap from the 20th century.

The only reason why it resonated so well with the ignorant masses was because Obama and his handlers repackaged the crap and sold it very very well. Obama is a slick son of a bitch who could sell stupid to Nancy Pelosi.

Posted by: Darling at January 19, 2009 11:17 PM (Gsf+S)

118 I can't help thinking that Hansen's dire warning...

That MMMM BOP! scare was so 1990s.  I'm listening to the fuckin' song!

Speaking of models, Cheryl Tiegs.  No wait, I'm currently reading Greenspan's Age of Turbulence--at the beginning of W's term, when we were running budget surpluses and projecting massive flows into the treasury, Greenspan gave one of his densely worded concurrences that tax cuts would stimulate the economy.  Unfortunately, with the 2000 recession, stock market crash, fishy accounting, and loss of business tax revenues due to corporations escaping 35% rates, tax revenues plummeted well below estimates.  This negated that surplus/lockbox. 

Drawing from that, I'd say an economic model's more easily constructed than a climate model.  Even so, the economic model was substantially off (which answers the whining about the Bush economy). 

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at January 19, 2009 11:19 PM (n2eCn)

119 I've always understood why politicians like former Sen James inhoffe and other GOP policy makers have argued against global warming - Simple dollars and cents and kow-towing to the Oil industry and other industries' need to pollute to save money. But I can't for the life of me understand why you guys take up your opposition so vigorously. I mean what's in it for you? Nothing. Nothing but a chance to parrot GOP talking points like a bunch of blathering idiots. There's no campaign funds or support in it for you. There's no jobs as oil and coal industry lobbyists waiting for you at the end of your rant. Your a bunch parroting, contrarian lemmings spouting a postion that does nothing for you in the end. Every single respected atmospheric scientist in every world  has come to the same conclusion. You continue to spew Co2 into the atmosphere, the world will get hotter. Simple. You guys are like saying "Polly Want A cracker" with no cracker in the end... Sad... Every hack willing to spout unscientifically sound nonsense just to make a buck ought to have a peanut gallery like you...

Now go on..  keep spouting your nonsense and helping (blowing) those on the take who will never do anything to let you in on it... Ready Go!

Even cheap whores refuse to work for free... morons!


Posted by: Tim at January 19, 2009 09:41 PM (UiUdR)


Maybe we don't believe in global warming because it's been getting COLDER for the last ten years, you dumb shit.

Posted by: Watcher at January 19, 2009 11:19 PM (F71hD)

120

I know it is a worn out cliche, but garbage in = garbage out gospel out.

Posted by: Javems at January 19, 2009 11:22 PM (/IQA9)

121

Tomorrow, Michelle's code name will offically become "First Badonkadonk." 

As Barack himself has acknowledged, "the bigger the cushion the better the pushin'."

 

 

Posted by: fulldroolcup at January 19, 2009 11:22 PM (fXKCV)

122

fulldroolcup-

 

Geez, that's an image I didn't need in my head. Thanks for sharing.

Posted by: Old Tom at January 19, 2009 11:25 PM (f1yKn)

123 If the Earth thawed out from an ice age, why is it so implausible that the Earth will experience some significant natural variations in temperature?

The AGW crowd apparently believes Earth was created only 4000 years ago.  The previous supposed "geologic record" stuff was created and planted there by Al Gore.  None of it actually happened.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 19, 2009 11:47 PM (Z0HFQ)

124 O-bama night
With skittles softly falling,
From unicorn sphincters in the sky

O-bama night
The ocean's are receding
Now that the One has been anointed king

All gather round and joyful toss his salad
Then pledge to be a servant to his needs

Down on your knees
And gladly pay high taxes
O-bama night,
O-bama night, now you will work
O-bama night!
O-bama night!
O-bama night!

Posted by: rinseandspit at January 19, 2009 11:55 PM (oEAm5)

125

"The AGW crowd apparently believes Earth was created only 4000 years ago.  The previous supposed "geologic record" stuff was created and planted there by Al Gore.  None of it actually happened."

PA, that's about the funniest shit I've read in....well, probably 4000+ years.  Way to turn the nonsense on its head!

So, why did Al bury the dinosaur skeletons?  Just so he wouldn't appear as fat, by comparison?

Posted by: notropis at January 19, 2009 11:56 PM (MGs0J)

126 Thirty per cent of our adults believe the earth is only six thousand years old.  It's a good thing we don't rely on polls to decide science, isn't it?

Posted by: Hooseierbrad at January 19, 2009 11:57 PM (y/JJL)

127 The GOP is currently holding the trophy for Most Disastrous President of the Millennium... I'm tired now. You angry republicans are a bunch of moonbats... I'm outta  here, This place is caustic....and sad.

Tim, since the Millenium started in 2001, I can say he's the tallest, shortest, whatever.  As for angry, tell us the key to your sunny disposition other than jerking off to pictures of Obama

Posted by: kbdbear at January 20, 2009 12:09 AM (miw86)

128 Oh bullshit, Hooserdaddy.

By the way, Florida has decided to join in on the new ice age. Right now it's raining heavily (in places hailing), and tomorrow night -- the night, mind you, when his Holiness ascends the throne -- is going to drop below freezing. I have about thirty half-grown tomatoes on my plant right now, I hope I don't lose them to stupid frost. On the other hand, I guess this means Florida won't simultaneously burst into flame and drown under the rising seas. Darn.

Posted by: Andrea Harris at January 20, 2009 12:10 AM (N3OrG)

129 Way to miss the point, Hoosierbrad.  Global Warming was always a silly idea.  The important fact now is that finally a plurality of Americans have seen past the propaganda.  Which means they won't support wannabe fascists' crusade against it.

The silver lining of the next 4 years is all the pointing and laughing we'll get to do at the expense of the Left's various cults.

Posted by: Methos at January 20, 2009 12:11 AM (u78my)

130 Obama is a slick son of a bitch who could sell stupid to Nancy Pelosi.

Now why on earth would that be considered difficult?

Posted by: OregonMuse at January 20, 2009 12:23 AM (XUV9W)

131

To stupid-fuck Tim:

That's CURRENT (as in reelected in 2008 by a 57 % - 39% margin) Senator James Inhofe to you, douchebag Tim. The same Inhofe that heads the minority of the EPW (look EPW up if it's too much above your pay-grade, chief) that released the report titled:  

More Than 650 International Scientists Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming Claims

Scientists Continue to Debunk “Consensus” in 2008 

Since you've received your "parroting" dumbass talking points right out of your Barackass lemming mothership- try to educate yourself- fuckstick...

BTW- If you actually believe that Co2 is a pollutant- stop your sad-assed excuse of a fucking attempt of life and stop breathing...

Please don't forget your butt-plug so as to contain the methane from oozing out of your dumb-ass before you go...

Posted by: AlGore is your fat bastard daddy at January 20, 2009 12:27 AM (wzbjn)

132 Now that global warming is being revealed as the fraud it has always been, maybe I can go to Canada and kill a polar bear.

Posted by: BigBoreCore at January 20, 2009 12:28 AM (dp7UW)

133

Obama is a slick son of a bitch who could sell stupid to Nancy Pelosi.

Now why on earth would that be considered difficult?

Bacause she already owns truckloads of it.

Posted by: katya at January 20, 2009 12:33 AM (oRJZj)

134  When these fucked up Libs stop flying all over the country, maybe things would clean up some.  If they are so hell bent on saving the world, why not stand in front of a firing squad and end it all. I am so tired of listening to these pieces of shit crap out of their mouth on our dollar.

Posted by: Navyvet at January 20, 2009 12:56 AM (Ex9gk)

135

And here in Central California, living on the glacial outwash from the ice sheets that carved Yosemite Valley 1,000s of years ago, no one seems to wonder 'where did all that ice go?  What made THAT melt?'

And not understanding, that the warming that occurred in that era was only a chapter in the history of the surface of the earth.

 

Posted by: Jerry K. at January 20, 2009 01:14 AM (T9e0l)

136 Carbon credits will be the new word for snake oil in 50 years.

Posted by: Kranix at January 20, 2009 01:26 AM (Tg7Lv)

137 But I can't for the life of me understand why you guys take up your opposition so vigorously.

This, from a lefty who probably thought George Bush was the second coming of Hitler, Mao Tse Dong, and Pol Pot combined.

Posted by: cheshirecat at January 20, 2009 02:41 AM (0t5bv)

138 ...But no president has brought us closer to a dying empire like your guy, Bush, Norton Pete...No one. The GOP is currently holding the trophy for Most Disastrous President of the Millennium... I'm tired now. You angry republicans are a bunch of moonbats... I'm outta here, This place is caustic....and sad.

Damn, I guess he hasn't been here long enough to see what happens when we chit-chat about Andi Heartbreak Sullivan.

Please let the door slam you in the arse when you go. And thank you.

Posted by: cheshirecat at January 20, 2009 02:44 AM (0t5bv)

139 Thrawn, the Grand Admiral spake:
If the story is correct, that 41% used to be 47% in April 2007. Progress, baby.

Well, if the margin of error is about +-4% then, it's at best a 2% shift.

Posted by: cheshirecat at January 20, 2009 02:46 AM (0t5bv)

140 Tim, Tom, whatever:
This place is caustic

Mesablue:
Go fuck yourself.

Me:
...with the barbed cock of Satan, lubricated with sodium hydroxide (how's THAT for caustic!).

Caustic--Dude, you haven't seen caustic unless you been on one of Laura(The Hump)W's open flame threads.

Posted by: cheshirecat at January 20, 2009 02:49 AM (0t5bv)

141 How many times do I have to remind you that there's no math on this blog?

Times?! That's that maths thingie! You promised!

Posted by: cheshirecat at January 20, 2009 02:54 AM (0t5bv)

142 Been hugging trees and sucking sap all day now... also enjoying the wonderful experience of downing some old rotten barley and rice water... quite nice nature is.

Druid: The Euell Gibbons of AoSHQ

Posted by: cheshirecat at January 20, 2009 02:56 AM (0t5bv)

143

CO2 is a piss-poor greenhouse gas. It absorbs infrared radiation in only three narrow frequency bands. The wavelengths are 2.7, 4.3 and 15 micrometers. The absorption percentage is very generously estimated at 8 percent, which means 92 percent of all infrared radiation passes right on through without being absorbed. And in truth, two of those frequencies don't get a lot of that wavelength anyways.

So the truth is that CO2 absoprtion of IR is only about 4-5 percent. Meaning 95 percent gets passed through. And considering CO2 is such a small component of the atmosphere, it is an even poorer greenhouse gas.

So, with all this warming we have had (supposedly) how big of a rise in sea level have we had? It is not measured in meters, not in feet, not in inches, not in centimeters but in millimeters. With all this warming, Sea Level has risen one millimeter! Oh noes, start building Arks, the Flood is coming!

But here is the catch. Thermal Expansion. The Seas have also heated and when you heat matter usually its volume expands and thermal expansion explains all or most of the rise.

And here is another catch. Heating the seas via convection with hotter atmosphere is inefficient to the extreme. With all heat transfer, radiant heat is the best heating. What does that mean? Solar Radiation, that big thermonuclear fire ball in the sky!

There you have it.

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