Life on Mars? Some Scientists Claim Methane Haze Around Red Planet Must Be Produced by Martian Microbes

ALIEN microbes living just below the Martian soil are responsible for a haze of methane around the Red Planet, Nasa scientists believe.
The gas, belched in vast quantities in our world by cows, was detected by orbiting spacecraft and from Earth using giant telescopes.

Nasa are today expected to confirm its presence during a briefing at their Washington HQ.
And the find is seen as exciting new evidence that Martian microbes are still alive today.

I think this is bunk, pushed by either crank or at least incautious scientists. The evidence seems to be that methane is usually produced by volcanoes, but there are no active volcanoes on Mars, and voila... alien life.

I'd wait to check to see what else might be producing methane before jumping to this big conclusion.

It doesn't help that this is being reported by the headline-happy Sun.

Thanks to Circa.

Posted by: Ace at 11:40 AM

Comments

1 It's the space cows that are hiding in those "vast forests" that the government claims don't exist. Further proof, right there.

Posted by: April at January 15, 2009 11:44 AM (2B3NC)

2 Life on Mars. It was a very good British tv show.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 15, 2009 11:44 AM (1Jaio)

3 Well, NASA employs plenty of "crank" and "incautious" scientists. See "James Hansen"

Posted by: prolix at January 15, 2009 11:46 AM (Q5asM)

4 They here HOOFBEATS and think of ZEBRAS.

Posted by: tobwing plover at January 15, 2009 11:48 AM (PD1tk)

5 Caused by Martian farts.

Posted by: Jed at January 15, 2009 11:48 AM (5I0pu)

6 This would explain why Mars has suffered about as much global warming since the 1970s as earth has. Here it's SUVs, there it's bacteria farts. Oversized, inefficient capitalist bacteria.

Posted by: Bob Hawkins at January 15, 2009 11:50 AM (eZ0vq)

7 It's all about $$$. I'm tired of being played by NASA shills.

Posted by: cassandra at January 15, 2009 11:53 AM (GdalM)

8 The math is quite simple: life on Mars = no God, no true religion. It is the same stuff that Scientific American pushes all the time. 24/7 anti-religion, anti-capitalism, anti-West; never changes with these folks.

Posted by: Brad at January 15, 2009 11:56 AM (LZs5x)

9 It's got to be carbon 12 based methane. Titan is full of methane but it's mostly carbon13 based and not biolobical in origin.

Posted by: cahmd at January 15, 2009 11:58 AM (3pL1u)

10 life on Mars = no God, no true religion

Check the DNA. God is nothing if not conservative.

Posted by: toby928 at January 15, 2009 11:58 AM (PD1tk)

11 Does this mean that the guy who shares my office is a Martian?

Posted by: Kasper Hauser at January 15, 2009 11:59 AM (ZPwZl)

12 Hey if I learned one thing from Red Planet - other than not to let Benjamin Bratt fly my spaceship thingy - it's that there are killer bugs on Mars. Obvs it's them.

Posted by: the void at January 15, 2009 12:00 PM (SHHaV)

ALIEN microbes living just below the Martian soil

Dream on, losers.

Posted by: katya at January 15, 2009 12:00 PM (oRJZj)

14 Check the DNA all you want.

I ain't the daddy!

Posted by: Doc Holliday at January 15, 2009 12:01 PM (t82SL)

I think this is bunk

Maybe it is. So?

Posted by: FireHorse at January 15, 2009 12:01 PM (5KNeJ)

Does this mean that the guy who shares my office is a Martian?

If so, then my dog must be a Martian.

Posted by: katya at January 15, 2009 12:01 PM (oRJZj)

17 I like to study about the un-know. Scientists really do stay within facts of discovery for the explained. There is nothing new under the sun, but there many things we can't explain... Prehistory is anonymous, but there are many evidences of intelligent human habitation. That is something I have been exploring.

Posted by: Tipi at January 15, 2009 12:03 PM (zaflR)

18 So if Mars' whisp of methane is caused by vast civilizations of socially cooperative and mutually nurturing alien microbes, what awaits us on known balls of methane Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune? (I'm not leaving out Pluto to be a planet prick, it's just that it's not a gas planet)

Mark me down for subterranean cows raised by a benevolent species. I've seen no evidence that disproves my theory.

Posted by: t-bird at January 15, 2009 12:04 PM (FcR7P)

19 I grok it

Posted by: Michael Valentine Smith at January 15, 2009 12:07 PM (PD1tk)

20 Pull my finger, bitch.

Posted by: Mars at January 15, 2009 12:07 PM (YCVBL)

I think this is bunk

Maybe it is. So?

The "so" is because these are the same losers who, along with the rest of the liberals, are telling us that their opinion is law, God, history, proven science, etc and that they are the ones who should decide how we should live every stinking facet of our lives even if it WRONG, as PROVEN by true science and recorded history (and I'm not talking about public school textbooks). That's "so".

Posted by: katya at January 15, 2009 12:07 PM (oRJZj)

Scientists really do stay within facts of discovery for the explained.

Like Global Warming?

Posted by: katya at January 15, 2009 12:09 PM (oRJZj)

23 This is reason enough for a manned mission to Mars, well actually, any reason is good enough for me, but I digress

Posted by: toby928 at January 15, 2009 12:09 PM (PD1tk)

24 I think this is an excuse to explain the finding of another 600 Franken ballots.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 15, 2009 12:12 PM (DVVXZ)

Uh, Brad--reign it in a little. If anything, I think more life indicates less randomness in the universe, and therefore an architect.

At least we'll be able to deal with the coming Martian invasion by sloshing around a little Lysol and lighting a match.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 15, 2009 12:13 PM (B+qrE)

26 Hey space cows, you need to purchase some methane offsets if you want to keep farting. Step into my office...

Posted by: Al Gore at January 15, 2009 12:13 PM (fGDhl)

27 We should never, ever have let them send up that Martian surface probe the morning after the all-you-can-eat beef and bean burrito night in the NASA cafeteria.

Posted by: Keith at January 15, 2009 12:14 PM (Jdtsu)

28 If there's H2S on Mars and then the place stinks and is fit for habitation by Democrats.

Posted by: Conservative Chemist at January 15, 2009 12:16 PM (/Ft4q)

This is reason enough for a manned mission to Mars, well actually, any reason is good enough for me, but I digress

This has a lot of implications though. Let's open up the theoretical Pandora's Box here.

Manned mission to Mars succeeds. Last I heard, at our fastest speeds on vessels capable of carrying humans safely, a trip to Mars would take around two years. So after two years of being holed up on a ship with two or three other people (unless they pull "Rocket Man" and have everyone go to sleep, which I'm pretty sure we haven't perfected the tech for) they FINALLY reach the Red Planet. Lots of "if"s and "maybe"s in there that I'm not gonna bother delving into.

Best case scenario: group makes it to Mars orbit, starts setting up stuff. Mission goes down to Mars surface, has a look around, perhaps does some stuff, "I claim this land in the Name of the Earth", that sort of thing. Go back to orbit and get in the ship (which is gonna be a task in and of itself, nowhere near as easy as getting off the Moon was), another two years getting back to Earth.

That's just the little bit we see from cracking open the lid and having a peek. Miss Pandora has a lot more in store for us if we decide to turn the box over and start dumping stuff out.

This is, of course, assuming we can even pull this off. Do we even have the capability to make a rocket that can carry enough fuel on its own to make the two year journey, TWICE, and sustain three or four humans for that time?

Am I overthinking this?

Turn off that light.

*eats*

Posted by: Grue in the Attic at January 15, 2009 12:19 PM (k58xs)

30 One more thing! The Orbs are unexplainable, but they leave evidence. We really need to be open minded. For the past 4-5 years I have caught Orbs on film in certain locations with frequency. Many others have photographed and filmed these sources of energy, and some scientists will still disclaim. There is life in other dimensions that certainly has been proven.

There have been too many good scientists that have disappeared and or their files and documentations destroyed or confiscated, because they chose to expound on their research and discoveries. I would be afraid too.

Posted by: Tipi at January 15, 2009 12:19 PM (zaflR)

31

The math is quite simple: life on Mars = no God, no true religion. It is the same stuff that Scientific American pushes all the time. 24/7 anti-religion, anti-capitalism, anti-West; never changes with these folks.

Posted by: Brad at January 15, 2009 11:56 AM (LZs5x)

I used to argue politics on Usenet (we're talking 15 years ago) and lefties freaked on the political newsgroups every time "evidence" of life on Mars was announced. I asked them why they were so obsessed with life on Mars in political newsgroups and a few confessed it would disprove God and therefore religion. Lefties have a burning hatred for western religions.

Posted by: Tinian at January 15, 2009 12:21 PM (Ohodx)

32 30: cue the Twilight Zone theme...

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 15, 2009 12:22 PM (WcPBj)

At least we'll be able to deal with the coming Martian invasion by sloshing around a little Lysol and lighting a match.

Water. They're afraid of water.

Posted by: katya at January 15, 2009 12:23 PM (oRJZj)

34 11: one of the supervisors here is definitly not human...

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 15, 2009 12:24 PM (WcPBj)

... a few confessed it would disprove God and therefore religion.

I fail to see how life elsewhere would disprove God. Always have thought that arguement was silly.

Lefties have a burning hatred for western religions.

And as much as they claim "no, we hate all religions" you don't see them bashing on Buddhism now do you...?

*eats*

Posted by: Grue in the Attic at January 15, 2009 12:26 PM (k58xs)

I asked them why they were so obsessed with life on Mars in political newsgroups and a few confessed it would disprove God and therefore religion.

As I said above, such a discovery does no such thing. I believe that if we are completely alone in the universe (insert Douglas Adams quotes about "big" here), that indicates we're a mistake and/or the result of mind-boggling randomness that actually argues against the presence of a creator.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 15, 2009 12:28 PM (B+qrE)

37 30 One more thing! The Orbs are unexplainable, but they are coming to take me away leave evidence Ha Ha. We really need to be open minded. For the past 4-5 years They are coming to take me awayI have caught Orbs on film Ho Ho He He Ha Hain certain locations with frequency. Many others have photographed and filmed these sources of energyto the funny farm, and some scientists will still disclaim where life is beautiful all the time. There is life in other dimensions that certainly has been proven. Ha Ha!

There have been too many good scientists those nice young men in their nice white suits that have disappeared who are coming to take me awayand or their files and documentations destroyed or confiscated Ho Ho, because they chose to expound on their research and discoveries. I would be afraid too. because they are coming to take me away!

Posted by: Smoke in my Tipi at January 15, 2009 12:29 PM (wgLRl)

If anything, I think more life indicates less randomness in the universe, and therefore an architect.

My husband has said that if scientists discover extraterrestrial life, he couldn't believe in God anymore. I don't think that discovery would alter my faith any. Maybe that's just because I do not believe in life outside of this planet so it's not a problem for me.

Posted by: katya at January 15, 2009 12:29 PM (oRJZj)

39 Epic HTML Fail. Goddamned energy orbs.

Posted by: Smoke in my Tipi at January 15, 2009 12:29 PM (wgLRl)

40

I fail to see how life elsewhere would disprove God. Always have thought that arguement was silly.

Lefties claim it would disprove Genesis. They would extrapolate from there.

Posted by: Tinian at January 15, 2009 12:30 PM (Ohodx)

41 Maybe the methane came from Uranus...

/obvious

Posted by: jeff at January 15, 2009 12:34 PM (2YeUe)

Lefties claim it would disprove Genesis. They would extrapolate from there.

See, there's a necessary word missing from Genesis that would need to be there for this disproving to occur... "only". As in "God ONLY created the things on Earth."

Do I believe in life elsewhere? I've actually never thought about it. It's not important. That's one thing I've noticed in the Bible - it only really lists things it considers important to its message. The long, tedious geneologies of the OT and the nearly-endless reciting of laws were considered important and still are (such as tracing the geneology of Jesus to assure his prophecied ancestry, for one, among other things... I've regularly seen it used to support an Earth age estimate as well, though that one catches a lot of flak from you-know-who), but there are sections where they say "Other stuff happened too but it's not really important, everything you absolutely need is written here already".

*eats*

Posted by: Grue in the Attic at January 15, 2009 12:35 PM (k58xs)

43 I fail to see how life elsewhere would disprove God. Always have thought that arguement was silly.

Lefties claim it would disprove Genesis. They would extrapolate from there.

Of course, the simple rebuttal of that lefty argument is to observe that God might have omitted some irrelevant stuff from Genesis, namely the creation of other worlds.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 15, 2009 12:38 PM (InMdt)

44 'Titan's thick cloudy atmosphere is mostly nitrogen, like Earth's, but may contain much higher percentages of "smog-like" chemicals such as methane and ethane. The smog may be so thick that it actually rains "gasoline-like" liquids.'

As it being colder than a witch's tit there, and witch's tits to be known incubators of bacterial sludge, Titan must be teeming with life... according to science.

As for lighting a match, Ive seen what that does in the movie Evolution.

Trapped methane deposits? naw, could never happen. it's not like that happens here. oh wait, natural gas?

Part of science is pushing beyond the facts into theory. Those are called hypotheses. Hell, that is the bulk of biology, quantum mechanics, and cosmology. Things need to be new and wondrous for interest to be maintained - by the populace, the scientists, and the wallets.

Posted by: A.G. at January 15, 2009 12:48 PM (JoIvi)

45 'Titan's thick cloudy atmosphere is mostly nitrogen, like Earth's, but may contain much higher percentages of "smog-like" chemicals such as methane and ethane. The smog may be so thick that it actually rains "gasoline-like" liquids.'

As it being colder than a witch's tit there, and witch's tits to be known incubators of bacterial sludge, Titan must be teeming with life... according to science.

As for lighting a match, Ive seen what that does in the movie Evolution.

Trapped methane deposits? naw, could never happen. it's not like that happens here. oh wait, natural gas?

Part of science is pushing beyond the facts into theory. Those are called hypotheses. Hell, that is the bulk of biology, quantum mechanics, and cosmology. Things need to be new and wondrous for interest to be maintained - by the populace, the scientists, and the wallets.

Posted by: A.G. at January 15, 2009 12:48 PM (JoIvi)

46 I hate to break it to you, but they may be right.

As near as I can figure, methane can't exist, unless some form of life is involved somewhere in the process.

I'm not a chemist, so I could be wrong.

Posted by: franksalterego at January 15, 2009 12:54 PM (GKyIE)

47 I was talking to a friend yesterday who started spouting this stuff. It's REALLY important to a certain breed of agnostic scientist to be right about this. I guess evangelism is a personal calling.

Just because you prove to your satisfaction that your concept of someone else's (someone beneath you intellectually, of course) concept of God is false does not mean there is no God.

However, if I destroy the planet by buying an SUV, I might be convinced that there is no God. Or that he's really wimpy.

It'd be funny if St. Peter himself took one of these guys aside and said, "you know all that stuff you discovered- quarks, evolution, other planets, Big Bang, etc. which proved there's no God? Well, that IS God. We dumbed it down enough to put in a book for farmers to understand, but we've never been able to make it simple enough for you scientists. Sorry about that..."

Posted by: t-bird at January 15, 2009 12:55 PM (FcR7P)

48 So I guess when the Huygens probe descended into the atmosphere of Jupiter's moon Titan, and found methane and then landed on the shores of a sea of methane, that is proof positive that there is life on Titan.

Sloppy sloppy science on this one. My best guess is that some crank is doubling down on his theory of microbes on Mars and wants to gin up support for the theory and put his name on the record for "discovery".

Not that there may not be significant life on Mars, the jury is still out. However trying to base a firm claim of evidence of life solely on methane is ridiculous.

Posted by: Jason Coleman at January 15, 2009 12:56 PM (ZJEB6)

Part of science is pushing beyond the facts into theory. Those are called hypotheses. Hell, that is the bulk of biology, quantum mechanics, and cosmology. Things need to be new and wondrous for interest to be maintained

But "science" often claims hypotheses to be fact. That's when I want to spit and throw things at them. Losers. Don't get me wrong, I love science and am fascinated by it, but I think scientists, like politicians, democrats and movie stars, take themselves and their personal opinions too seriously and forget their purpose.

Posted by: katya at January 15, 2009 12:56 PM (oRJZj)

50 Well, he who smelt it dealt it, so NASA is going to have to go ahead and pony up the carbon tax on gassing up Mars.

Posted by: MarkS at January 15, 2009 12:56 PM (RTU8D)

It'd be funny if St. Peter himself took one of these guys aside and said, "you know all that stuff you discovered- quarks, evolution, other planets, Big Bang, etc. which proved there's no God? Well, that IS God. We dumbed it down enough to put in a book for farmers to understand, but we've never been able to make it simple enough for you scientists. Sorry about that..."

BASTARD!! You owe me a Pepsi now!

*too busy laughing to eat*

Posted by: Grue in the Attic at January 15, 2009 12:58 PM (k58xs)

52 Ace- This deserves a post: From Pamela Gellar at Atlus Shrugs: "Poetic justice! Ace, snarky misogynist (this is the guy, when introduced to me at CPAC 2007, the first thing he ever said to me was 'you got nice jugs ' - true story. Needless to say, it was the last time I ever spoke to him). Ace was beaten by a girl. I love that." My respect for Ace has increased 100 fold! Um, why is Pam so upset? That was a high compliment by a very much respected and loved blogger. Most dames would swoon at such high praise! Most guys would pay real money to be beaten by a girl. Ace is so lucky!

Posted by: USS Ben USN (Ret) at January 15, 2009 01:01 PM (zzVly)

Well, I was just askin'...

Posted by: Fermi Paradox at January 15, 2009 01:01 PM (8V5Ut)

54 Don't make me angry.

Posted by: The Red Planet at January 15, 2009 01:04 PM (eiOZw)

55 whoops. it was telling me there was some server error when i was posting.

Posted by: A.G. at January 15, 2009 01:09 PM (JoIvi)

56 This is the biggest crock going. It's a pathetic attempt to keep exobiology going as a real science when there isn't a minute shred of evidence for life in the galaxy which isn't on or related to earth. These are a bunch of turds hanging on thanks to Carl Sagan, Nasa's Rasputin.

John Murray � a member of the Mars Express European space probe team � believes the mini-Martians may be in a form of suspended animation and could even be REVIVED.

Well, if it was in suspended animation why would they be emitting all this damn Methane which suddenly is a sure sign of life?

Congress should make a rule as part of NASA's funding that projects to other planets should be chiefly concerned with terraforming. There's plenty of life in this galaxy already and it's going to need more room. That should be Nasa's primary concern now.

Posted by: Rocks at January 15, 2009 01:10 PM (Q1lie)

space cows>all. I mean, they were the first in space. It was written:

"Hey diddle diddle, The cat and the fiddle, The cow jumped over the moon..."

Posted by: shank at January 15, 2009 01:11 PM (+H1yK)

58 Strike #46.

I made an incorrect assumption, organic chemicals couldn't be produced without life.

Posted by: franksalterego at January 15, 2009 01:13 PM (GKyIE)

Congress should make a rule as part of NASA's funding that projects to other planets should be chiefly concerned with terraforming. There's plenty of life in this galaxy already and it's going to need more room. That should be Nasa's primary concern now.

Wouldn't that be a conflict of interest, though? I mean, most of the NASA folk are hardcore leftists, and the typical leftist trype is that humanity is a blight upon an otherwise-pristine world... would they really want to spread that blight to other worlds that may or may not have life of their own to also be ruined?

Not that conflicts of interest have ever stopped them before, mind you....

*eats*

Posted by: Grue in the Attic at January 15, 2009 01:13 PM (k58xs)

60 Wow, there seems to be some real hatred for scientists from some people on here. Not all scientists think that the world revolves around them, and they're definitely not anti-religion. I'm quite religious, I'm as scientist, and I work at NASA. I know that a lot of people don't like the idea of NASA because it's a messed up bureaucracy, but those are the people at the top. The people on the ground are good people who are doing good work. Whether you think that it's important or not is a different story, but to make general statements about "scientists" is pretty weak.

As far as finding life on another planet disproving God, I can't see why it would. As someone mentioned above, Genesis relates to Earth. If it related to everything, we'd look up and see nothing.

Posted by: prolix at January 15, 2009 01:16 PM (Q5asM)

61 I put a lot of methane on Titan -- oceans of the stuff. It gathers into oceans because I made it rather cold on Titan. Nothing has ever lived on Titan.

I am not telling you whether life has ever been on Mars. But please note the variety of climates on your planet in which life is found, including temperatures ranging from below that at which water freezes to above that at which water boils. Now note that you have not found life on Mars. If you find markers for life, such as evidence of water, carbon dioxide, or methane, and you are tempted to declare life on Mars, consider your logic again. Because if one says:
"A causes B. I find B. Therefore, there must be A."
he could be in error.

Further, given the variety of places on your planet in which life is found, you may infer that if life ever did in fact exist on Mars, it would still be there in some form. If you do not find it, you should assume it never existed rather than that it was destroyed (while the evidence for it was not).

Posted by: God at January 15, 2009 01:16 PM (uiKEv)

62 Well, if it was in suspended animation why would they be emitting all this damn Methane which suddenly is a sure sign of life?

Because they're snoring.

Posted by: Anachronda at January 15, 2009 01:18 PM (3K4hn)

Well, he who smelt it dealt it, so NASA is going to have to go ahead and pony up the carbon tax on gassing up Mars.

Dude that was good

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at January 15, 2009 01:18 PM (E6GUg)

64 What is exobiology?

Posted by: katya at January 15, 2009 01:20 PM (oRJZj)

65 Correction: I said galaxy before but meant to say Solar System.

Posted by: Rocks at January 15, 2009 01:23 PM (Q1lie)

Wow, there seems to be some real hatred for scientists from some people on here.

Like I said on #49. I have the utmost admiration and respect for true scientists. There are "dirty" scientists just like there are "dirty" cops, politicians, teachers, preachers, insurance salesmen, lawyers, etc. Unfortunately, the dishonest ones sully the reputations of the honest ones.

Posted by: katya at January 15, 2009 01:23 PM (oRJZj)

67 John Bolton agrees with Ace about Pam.

I bet she doesn't dis the 'Stache.

Posted by: Rocks at January 15, 2009 01:24 PM (Q1lie)

68 What is exobiology?

The study of imaginary life on other rocks. Sort of a I don't know if King Arthur existed, but if he did he would have had red hair and limp kind of science.

Posted by: toby928 at January 15, 2009 01:28 PM (PD1tk)

69 Last I heard, at our fastest speeds on vessels capable of carrying humans safely, a trip to Mars would take around two years.

Your orbital mechanics is a bit rusty, back to school with you! It would take two years if you launched at the wrong time, when Earth and Mars are farthest apart. It only takes 6 months if you launch at the right time.

A manned mission is completely possible with current technology, but the financial and political will is missing. Humans will eventually land on Mars but it won't be anytime soon.

As for methane on Mars and other planets, it depends on what form of methane was detected. Sure, other planets have methane but they don't have one of several biological methane products. I'm waiting for NASA to announce what form of methane they found and if it is elemental or biological in origin.

Why must every public discussion of astrobiology involve the inevitable argument that science is out to disprove the existence of a God? Science aims to explain the unknown, to explore our universe and gain knowledge. It has absolutely nothing to do with religion. If life is confirmed to exist on Mars then any religious fan could simply say their God created those organisms for us to find, thereby maintaining their belief in religion while marveling at scientific discoveries.

Posted by: CR at January 15, 2009 01:29 PM (Ow4Af)

70 I'm not a christian so I really do not understand the argument that aliens invalidate god. Can some one explain that one to me? I mean it is god we are talking about here, the dude who supposedly created a vast, unending universe but only decided to populate a single planet? What's that about?

Posted by: AndrewGurn at January 15, 2009 01:30 PM (BX9uS)

71 Its turtles, all the way down

Posted by: that's my belief and I'm sticking to it at January 15, 2009 01:32 PM (PD1tk)

72 Exobiology is the study of novel forms of life, and not necessarily life from other planets. Novel forms of life means not carbon based life as we know it but silicon based life and others.

Posted by: CR at January 15, 2009 01:33 PM (Ow4Af)

73

I think all of us morons should visit Pam's site and tell her she's got a nice rack.

Posted by: Tinian at January 15, 2009 01:34 PM (Ohodx)

74 In the unlikely event that they ever find life, or even the precursors of life, on Mars you can be sure that they'll immediately declare the whole planet to be a 'fragile ecosystem' and it will promptly be certified as the first extraterrestrial wildlife sanctuary. Thus forever eliminating the possibility of ever terraforming that barren rock and actually making it habitable in a few thousand years.

Posted by: Plain Simple Garak at January 15, 2009 01:34 PM (zRnyc)

75 Exobilogy is a broad term which is suppose to encompass the application of the sciences to the origin of life. In reality it pretty much does nothing but an attempt by a bunch of guys trying to get their names in the papers and science books by finding life outside of AND not related to Earth. After all if they got to Mars and found microbes exactly like ones on Earth it would be pretty damn hard to prove they didn't come from here wouldn't it?

All this would be so bad except for how much damn money they waste.
Do you know how much money Nasa spends to "triple sterilize" everything to make sure we don't pollute other planets with our microbes and perhaps destroy indigenous life there? You know, the ones nobody can find?
That was Carl Sagan's bright idea BTW. Apparently we live a on small blue speck in space but we have to spend many billions to protect even small specks somewhere else that no one can find except for their farts.

Posted by: Rocks at January 15, 2009 01:34 PM (Q1lie)

I'm not a christian so I really do not understand the argument that aliens invalidate god. Can some one explain that one to me? I mean it is god we are talking about here, the dude who supposedly created a vast, unending universe but only decided to populate a single planet? What's that about?

I am a Christian and I don't think the proof (I said PROOF) of extraterrestrial life invalidates God. There are probably believers and athiests alike who believe it invalidates God, but the so-called athiests seem to be the most hysterical about it.

Posted by: katya at January 15, 2009 01:35 PM (oRJZj)

77 Your orbital mechanics is a bit rusty, back to school with you! It would take two years if you launched at the wrong time, when Earth and Mars are farthest apart. It only takes 6 months if you launch at the right time.

Thanks, figured I was out of date at the very least.

Why must every public discussion of astrobiology involve the inevitable argument that science is out to disprove the existence of a God? Science aims to explain the unknown, to explore our universe and gain knowledge. It has absolutely nothing to do with religion.

While at base you are correct, many of the "more prominent scientific minds of the day" have made it so. In "science" at it is most commonly, most publicly portrayed today, it is constantly at odds with the very basic concepts of religion and faith, because these "prominent" scientists espouse the most extreme points of view regarding the issues where religion and science do not agree.

It's a rather vicious cycle, especially on those scientific minds who do not fit into the mold of their more prominent, more humanist peers. I know and have known several who fall into this beleaguered category... viewed with skepticism or suspicion by religious people who don't know them well because of their association with science, but disdained by their "betters" in the scientific community for "clinging to religion" in the face of their "proof" against the truth of such.

*eats*

Posted by: Grue in the Attic at January 15, 2009 01:35 PM (k58xs)

Its turtles, all the way down

No, the turtle's only at the bottom. The elephants are on top of that, and the world's on top of them. Everybody knows that.

*eats*

Posted by: Grue in the Attic at January 15, 2009 01:37 PM (k58xs)

79

I'm not a christian so I really do not understand the argument that aliens invalidate god.

Like I said above, lefties would claim it invalidates Genesis. That, in turn, would invalidate the Bible and God.

I agree it's faulty reasoning, but that never stopped a lefty.

Posted by: Tinian at January 15, 2009 01:38 PM (Ohodx)

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Posted by: Rocks at January 15, 2009 01:38 PM (Q1lie)

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Posted by: Rocks at January 15, 2009 01:43 PM (Q1lie)

What is Mars? Mars is Ours, that's what Mars is. Unless somebody shoots back I'm homesteading baby.

Good old glory days of conquest.

I think that's half the problem with some of society today... the lack of any form of frontier. There's nowhere left to expand without taking someone else's land, so everyone's gone and gotten settled... at least in North America and most of Europe anyway.

Of course there's Russia but that's a whole other kettle of fish.

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Posted by: Grue in the Attic at January 15, 2009 01:44 PM (k58xs)

85 Pigs in Space!

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at January 15, 2009 01:52 PM (ECEuH)

Rocks-

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Posted by: USS Ben USN (Ret) at January 15, 2009 01:54 PM (zzVly)

87 Wouldn't the methane help explain that Martian global warming problem?

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The manned mission to Mars is the biggest hoax perpetrated by NASA. Of course headlines like that are good for funding (and journalists are all too willing to carry their water)

No human being could sustain life in a zero gravity environment for much over 200 days... Heart only 33% efficient (atrial systole) ; causes all kinds of serious problems over time. I've never seen anything even proposed to seriously deal with this. (sorry this one pisses me off)

Posted by: Are you asleep, Brutus? at January 15, 2009 02:05 PM (HN2YO)

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Posted by: USS Ben USN (Ret) at January 15, 2009 02:19 PM (zzVly)

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93 She's just mad that was the first thing he said. if it had been the 5th thing after two drinks she would have forgotten it already. That is Ace's whole problem, always thinking ahead. Sometimes you gotta live in the now Buddy.

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Rock-

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UK Mars expert Professor Colin Pillinger believes the methane can only point to the presence of life on the planet.
His ill-fated Beagle 2 probe was carrying a laboratory that would have looked directly for such signs of life when it crashed on Christmas Day 2003.

Wasn't Beagle 2 ill-fated because they forgot to convert landing measurements from metric? Yeah, I might not take the guy so seriously.

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Yes, AFTER 2 drinks. But you have to say it in girl talk which translates as "You have lovely eyes, really."

Posted by: Rocks at January 15, 2009 02:36 PM (Q1lie)

That is Ace's whole problem, always thinking ahead of head.

And LGF isn't worth it any more except when there's some major, major event to cover in the GWT, like currently in Gaza, as Charles has gone nuts over creationism and looking for Nazi sympathisers and finding them everywhere.

Posted by: andycanuck at January 15, 2009 02:38 PM (55TIb)

99 Maybe it's Martian Global Warming from that filthy polluted planet...call Al Gore.

Posted by: ford at January 15, 2009 02:39 PM (Ki7fm)

100 ALIEN microbes living just below the Martian soil are responsible for a haze of methane around the Red Planet, Nasa scientists believe.

Then they say IDers are nuts -- these scientists often have the most ridiculous of theories that rarely have any justification whatsoever. Don't forget it was a NASA scientist who promoted this global warming foolishness.

Posted by: Richard Romano at January 15, 2009 02:42 PM (kycO9)

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Rock- I see, two nips and THEN make a secret coded subliminal compliment. That's pretty shrewd thinkin' right there.

Posted by: USS Ben USN (Ret) at January 15, 2009 02:50 PM (zzVly)

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Posted by: USS Ben USN (Ret) at January 15, 2009 02:53 PM (zzVly)

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I TOLD you we should have sent hybrids...

Posted by: Al Gore at January 15, 2009 02:58 PM (ScoG3)

105 People, people, this is nothing but the out-gassing from the Skittle Shitting Unicorns.

The staging area is on Mars.

Don't you people read the memos?

Posted by: Unclefacts at January 15, 2009 03:28 PM (M+Vfm)

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There's a herd of Cowstronauts on Mars. They feed on the BullShevik broadcast by earth's PRESSSSident and cover Mars with red manure and fill the air with flatulence.

Knocked that one out of the park...

Posted by: drfredc at January 15, 2009 03:43 PM (ljMiA)

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Okay, guys, who cut the cheese?

Posted by: one martian microbe to all of the others at January 15, 2009 03:54 PM (55TIb)

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At least we'll be able to deal with the coming Martian invasion by sloshing around a little Lysol and lighting a match.

The guy at the counter at the roadside diner said the guys from Venus have their fleet up there to cut off the invasion

Posted by: kbdabear at January 15, 2009 03:58 PM (miw86)

110 Like I said above, lefties would claim it invalidates Genesis

I will spare your ship and your crew, if in addition to yourself, you provide to me all the information on the project called.... Genesis

Posted by: Khan Noonien Singh at January 15, 2009 04:02 PM (miw86)

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Yes, AFTER 2 drinks. But you have to say it in girl talk which translates as "You have lovely eyes, really."

That's what you say as you're staring at her nipples

Posted by: kbdabear at January 15, 2009 04:04 PM (miw86)

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The proper thing would have been to say "Hey Pam, how about them Golden Globes"

Posted by: kbdabear at January 15, 2009 04:07 PM (miw86)

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- Jack Nicholson, Mars Attacks

Posted by: kbdabear at January 15, 2009 04:11 PM (miw86)

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Genesis allowed is not! Is planet forbidden!

Posted by: McCoy's Charter Pilot at January 15, 2009 04:14 PM (miw86)

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We're still big. It's the music that got small

Posted by: Phil Collins at January 15, 2009 04:16 PM (miw86)

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Posted by: kbdabear at January 15, 2009 04:25 PM (miw86)

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I've come a long way for the power of Genesis, and what do I find? A weakling human, a Vulcan boy, and a woman!

Posted by: Commander Kruge at January 15, 2009 04:29 PM (miw86)

118 The guy at the counter at the roadside diner

Nice Twilight Zone reference. Wasn't that Ross Martin aka Artemus Gordon? Or was it just some guy that looked like him?

Posted by: Girl From Ipanema at January 15, 2009 04:44 PM (PD1tk)

119 Good grief, Ace. It's getting to be like LGF around here. Crowded. As to life on Mars, until scientists come clean on climate change, they have the same level of veracity as Katie Couric and co.

Posted by: iowavette at January 15, 2009 04:52 PM (0JTac)

120

Wrack, wrack, wrack, wrack-wrack.

- Martian, Mars Attacks

Posted by: iowavette at January 15, 2009 04:53 PM (0JTac)

121 Given that they're still finding volcanoes on earth, it is a bit premature (shall we say) to declare Mars volcano-free.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 15, 2009 05:10 PM (PQY7w)

122 If I say they're volcano-free, that's what they are. I explained it all in my PowerPoint presentation at Davos and Melissa Etheridge sang a song about it. That's all you need to know. Now give me your offsets or I shall taunt you again

Posted by: Gaia High Priest Al Gore at January 15, 2009 05:19 PM (miw86)

123 119 Good grief, Ace. It's getting to be like LGF around here.

No we're not. We don't insist that Moses fucked orangutans

Posted by: kbdabear at January 15, 2009 05:21 PM (miw86)

124

Katya at #21:

I lost something in my quest for brevity. By "So?" I meant to ask, "So, even if it's all bunk, it's just another story featuring scant evidence leading to dubious conclusions about the state of the atmosphere and how it got that way. We should all be used to stories like these by now. The only novel quality about this particular pile of hooey is the planet it addresses."

OK, that's not really a question. But I liked your answer, even if I didn't intend to ask anything.

Posted by: FireHorse at January 15, 2009 05:23 PM (5KNeJ)

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Nice Twilight Zone reference. Wasn't that Ross Martin aka Artemus Gordon? Or was it just some guy that looked like him?

No, that was Jack Elam, a well known character actor of that time. He was in just about every other Western back then.

Posted by: kbdabear at January 15, 2009 05:23 PM (miw86)

126 It's Bush's fault!!!!

Posted by: Algore at January 15, 2009 08:25 PM (hg28P)

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I have no doubt that intelligent civilizations are everywhere in the universe. Why create a universe of infinite size and just allow our little planet to be alive?

God works in ways we don't understand, heck I believe ghosts are real.

I would like to think that I have the intellectual capacity to resolve every mystery that befuddles us as humans but I don't.

Besides, who doesn't like a a mystery?

Posted by: ErikW at January 15, 2009 11:53 PM (hKtiw)

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They've been claiming that ever since Phil Collins replaced Peter Gabriel.

Posted by: GrayLoess at January 16, 2009 06:58 AM (eifYH)

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No, but NASA's budget depends on keeping hope alive. It's a fund raising gimmick. Over the years we've gone from the possibility of advanced Martian civilizations covering the planet, all the way down to trying to scrounge up a microbe or two, but the idea is still being milked for all it's worth. Next stop on the life on Mars gravy train: a bold attempt to find the precursors of life deep within the Martian soil! Spare me the expense.

They're your tax dollars on this wild, Martian, goose chase, but you've got the cash to spare, even in this economy, whether you like it or not. The folks at NASA are smarter than you are and they have a lot of experience at milking Uncle Scam for your money. They propagandize well. The government believes that it needs your money more than you do, and you'd just spend it on something stupid anyway, like paying for your kids' education.

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