1 A Godwin, in the flesh

2 As much as think his kids names are creepy, I don't want governments seizing people's children because someone who works there doesn't like the parents' beliefs.

If the state took away little healthy well-cared for Sham'eeqkwazz because her parents were Black Panthers who gave her a stupid name, I wouldn't be the only person concerned about the precedent.

3 Look, despite all the well-meaning and probably justified howls from the libertarians here, it's pretty clear that they were setting up their kids for a world of hurt.  Physical abuse, who knows, that's for the courts to investigate, but mental abuse, highly likely.

4

Gee Ace, I disagree completely. Child services has a duty to give him a ring because of what he named his kid??? Are you kidding me? I've seen Child services in action and a more liberal group you can't imagine. A mom who is a crackhead gets many chances, but if it's some strange religious homeschooled home, no second chances.

I  might remind you that many on the left think of George Bush as Hitler. What is someone named their kid that? What if someone named their kid 'Ann Coulter?" Sorry, a name is not enough of a reason AT ALL.

5 Will a Nation of Islam member's kids be taken? How about the kids of tenured radical profs named after Communist mass murderers? I thought so.

6
Any kids named Osama in the area?

I smell a civil rights lawsuit in the works.  ACLU?  Care to comment?  They probably will take it.

7
Good.

Maybe Joey Buttafuoco can adopt the kids. Or Jim McGreevy can take the boy under his wing. New Jersey is full of great people who would make great parents.

8 I'd just like to think there's more to the case.  I'm fully capable and willing to believe the worst about DFACS.  I'd like to think that someone has something that, you know, keep the agency from being laughed out of court.

9

It doesn't matter what the children are named or if the parents are white supremacists. They are within their rights.

IF the children were taken away because of the names they were given it would be an extreme violation of rights and a really bad precident. WHO decides what is an acceptable name? WHO decides what the acceptable philosophies taught to children are? Sure, I would love to see people who name their children Shithead, etc., have their parental rights taken away but I can't. Because I don't have that right. I would also love to see people not be allowed to raise their children as neo-Nazis or extremist muslims. But I can't. I don't have that right.

If the state can take away these kids because of their names it sets a precident that could mean BIG trouble for home schoolers, conservatives, Evangelical Christians, etc. The left LOVES to compare all these people to Nazis. This would be just the first step in deciding that these same people are abusive for teaching their children a philosophy contrary to what they think is acceptable. 

10 That's wrong and tyrannical, and the government does this sort of thing all too often. We know better than you as parents, and we'll take your children if you disagree.

11

Once again child protective services flaunts the Constitution and they will be backed up by the Family Court. One wonders where these nimrods are for all of these children who have been left at home and on the streets unsupervised while their mothers go out hooking for drug money. This is how street thugs and hoodlums are raised up in an uncivilized manner.

 

It doesn’t look like this kid has too bad of a problem compared to some of the others that they are ignoring. Once the kid gets older he can petition the court for a name change which is really simple.

12
My name is Sue!  How do you do!

13 That is all, you may proceed to call me any manner of fascist NWO tool

(Look, If a parent decides to name their kid "Fuckhead Dickface", then yes, I'm going to begin to question their mental fitness to parent)

14 Genghis Hitler would have been much better.

15 Damn, #12 beat me to it.

16
Meanwhile the family of Elian Gonzales in Florida just called and said, "WTF???"

17

Too bad they didn't name him after Lenin, Marx, Engles, or Stalin. They would have never touched him.

Assholes.

 

18 I meant "precedent." No, I can't spell worth a damn. I went to public school.

19

I listened to the interview.  Lying or not.. the guy sounds retarded.

20 They should have gone with Hister

21 Who's next, kids named Haysoos or Hewsane?

22 No one should be cursed with a name like that

23 Reminds me of the mass seizure of kids in the Texas separatist compound last year.

The state argued that since some of the kids had likely been abused, it was proper to take them all until the state sorted everything out.

The courts basically said, "I don't really care what you think you were doing, the next thing that's going to happen is you're going to return all those unlawfully seized children to their parents."  For better or worse, those kids are now back home.

Like the separatists, I have no sympathy for the parents in this case.  However, that doesn't mean the state should be able to traumatize your kids because some do-gooder nanny prick doesn't like the way you're leading your life.

24 20 They should have gone with Hister

You are one esoteric mutha fucka!!!

25 Are they members of the National Bocialist Workers Party?

26

Short of some sort of claim or evidence or real actual abuse, CPS has no business talking to them because of the kids name. 

The problem with government getting involved in this type of thing is where do you draw the line and who decides where that line is.

27 This is fucking crazy.

It does not take a village to raise a kid and it's none of the state's fucking business what people name their kids.  How many kids are named Mohamed in this country?  He's a pretty uncool guy so sure Child Protective Services has some sort of interest in that, right? No? How come?

If you like freedom you have to accept that fact that some people will be stupid about it. If you think government knows better then you haven't been paying attention.

28

Maybe the kid'll do miraculous things . . . .

I'm just thinking of the ceremony 500 years from now when Pope Barack III canonizes Saint Adolf Hitler.

(Could happen.)

29
So was I wrong to name my boy Hobo Nut Sack?

30 I regret not naming my children Thing One and Thing Two.

31

Ace, you are as wrong here as you were on the bailout.

32

When I first heard about this story I thought the guy was a dolt, but no big deal. Now I really feel sorry for him. Once Child Protective Services gets on your trail, you are SCREWED.

I have often thought in my less charitable moments that a fitting punishment for hypocritical moralizing from various high profile folks wouldn't benefit from having a dime dropped on them to these bloodhounds. Only works if they have kids, but man if they do...

 

33

I regret not naming my children Thing One and Thing Two.

How about Monster Zero-One and Monster Zero-Two?

34 Sounds like part of the plot from "Boys of Brazil."  Have to separate the young Adolph from his father, you know.

35

No one should be cursed with a name like that

Amen, brother.

36 I'm surprised that the ACLU hasn't stepped up and said that they would help the parents out...must have more important things to do...like help the people out in Gitmo...

37 I'm sorry, call me a Compassionate Conservative (barf!)... but yeah, damned straight I would take that kid away from the assholes that named him that.

First of all: Talk about a poor kid screwed from birth! What can possibly grow up with a name like that??

Think of the shame and pain he must feel every day of his life, when he has to give his name.

And the parents... well, Why didn't they just name him, "My Parents are Racist, Moronic, Vile Scum!: and get it over with?

Frankly, I would fire whoever it was at the hospital or town hall that let them put that name down on the birth certificate to begin with.

38 Is it wrong to name my new adopted son Bol Icker Sullivan?  He's the spittin' (ahhem) of his new guardian.

39

I regret not naming my children Thing One and Thing Two.

How about Monster Zero-One and Monster Zero-Two?

You two have made my day. Now excuse me while I clean the tea off my monitor.

*eats*

40 I had a friend named Himmler. Named after, Himmler, of course. His dad was a big fan. Arab, I know you're surprised.

My friend was nice, though.

41

I have often thought in my less charitable moments that a fitting punishment for hypocritical moralizing from various high profile folks wouldn't benefit from having a dime dropped on them to these bloodhounds. Only works if they have kids, but man if they do...

Problem is, the good leftists can generally get away with just about anything. Even Paula Poundstone just got a slap on the wrist.

 

42 The town police sergeant says he's dealt with this family for years and has seen NO signs of abuse physical or emotional and that he seems like a really good dad. It's BS that they took these kids away, even if they have crappy names.

43 Quote from the police Sgt.

"DYFS has their reasons and they normally don’t release any information, so we kind of have to go on faith with them," Harris said. Police were not told what the agency was investigating.

"I’ve dealt with the family for years and as far as the children are concerned, I have never had any reports of any abuse with the children," Harris said. "As far as I know, he’s always been very good with the children."

Now why he's dealt with them for years is the question, but it obviously wasn't because of abuse with the kids.

44 Frank Zappa is probably rolling in his coffin.

45

But there's apparently no evidence of that, suggesting this is just about disapproval of his, erm, fascophilia.

That seems a bit, well, Hitlerian.

46

Smells like bullshit.

47

The sad thing is that most kids probably don't even know who Adolf Hitler is (unless they watch the History a/k/a Hitler Channel), so it won't make much difference as far a peer abuse.

I vote for the state staying out of this and leaving the kids at home absent other evidence of abuse.

48 Child Services has no 'duty'. That's crap. Why not pre-emptively remove all children until their parents prove they are Right Thinking Citizens?

Sure, it'll be rough for him. He'll be the first kid who ever got made fun of because of his name.

49 The dad should have changed his own name to Adolf Hitler if he thought it was so fantasic and left his kid out of it.

50 I don't support taking the kids away for this.

But giving a call and sniffing around? i think that's appropriate.

51 wtf? so maybe they'll zoom in on those Obama youths' parents next....
The though police are at work.
Although I don't agree with either the Hitler parents nor the parents who let their children sing the one's praises, this is wrong.
Sickening.

52 You guys who are saying the kids can get their names changed when they are adults are overlooking the fact that they're being raised as white supremacists, they won't want their names changed and they'll most likely will be a big hit when they go on Jerry Springer.

I still don't think they should be taken away from their parents however.

53 What about all the ridiculous names that many blacks come up with for their children? NJ is a police state. I hope in the end he gets millions awarded to him for this abuse and people are fired and/or jailed. This is state sanctioned kidnapping in the name of political correctness. This is unapologetic tryranny.

54

giving a call and sniffing around? i think that's appropriate.

Only if you think that the state has a duty to monitor peoples thoughts.

 

55 I don't support taking the kids away for this.

But giving a call and sniffing around? i think that's appropriate.

Problem with that is, once they get to sniffin', they don't stop. You're on the list. If little Adolph gets a broken arm on the playground with 80 gajillion witnesses it won't matter, they'll swoop in.

56 Nanny guvmint at it's best. NJ sucks - (I know I live here). Don't move here, in fact, don't go anywhere the Northeast. It's a cesspool of libtards, obiebots and PC fascists.

57

For the record, I don't think that NJ has any business taking children away from parents who name them "Osama Bin Laden" either. (Or "investigating" them)The difference being that it would never occur to them in a billion years to do that, and they'd be instantly fired if they ever did it.

 

58 Why not pre-emptively remove all children until their parents prove they are Right Thinking Citizens?

Guy on the radio discussing this this morning thinks it's only a matter of time before teachers are required to notify CPS when children mention their parents lawfully own guns.

59 Sorry, I've seen Children & Youth in action too many times to give them credit for being anything other than utterly freaking incompetent.

I've seen both sides of this, when I was in junior high, friends of my parents had their kids taken away on accusations of abuse based on the fact that they were very religious and home schooled.  They did not believe in corporal punishment.  But someone saw them out at a store, saw the mother grab her son to keep him from running out into the parking lot, saw how they were dressed (think Amish) and immediately put 2 and 2 together and got purple.  It took 14 months to get the kids back.  The children were in therapy for years after.

I've also been involved in helping some clients get custody of a grandchild whose parents are complete crackheads, in the literal sense.  This child has been physically abused, neglected, the whole nine.  And CYS keeps doing everything possible to give the child back to parents who shouldn't be in charge of a pet rock.

So.  No.  I don't believe they have other evidence, sorry.

60 This is what's scary

Forensic psychologist N.G. Berrill said naming a boy Hitler could be considered child abuse.

"Part of it is the infantile nature of the parents’ behavior," Berrill said. "You can name your dog something weird, but they think they’re making some kind of bold statement with the children, not appreciating that the children will have separate lives and will be looked at in a negative light until they’re able to change their name. It is abuse."

Now I agree that naming their kid that is infantile, but commenter "Roy" also makes the point about how retarded naming your kid Moon-Unit is. Gee, what about Soleil Moon-Frye, Or "Apple" oh that a gem right there. Granted, they don't have the horrifying association, but they're still lame. I think pajama momma is a great name personally.

61 Sam I resent that.  Funny names, what funny names, mutha fucka?

62

Posted by: pajama momma at January 14, 2009 03:09 PM (kWQTL)

Or the creme-de-la-creme of horrible kid names: Clamydia

63

They came for the neo-Nazis and I was silent, for I was not a neo-Nazi .....

People better start standing up for some basic principles of liberty and limited government power, or we're all fucked.

 

 

64 Yeah yeah, everyone knows the drill - live and let live - free to be stupid, it's the American way and all that, of course. 
But, while we are not living up to such ideals and breaking our own principles all the time anyway, isn't it nice to see a fan of using others to provoke others through fascism actually get a taste of the real thing.  Dork was actually forced to toe the line and parrot the same 'difference is beautiful and American' line on the radio!  Awesome!  Sure, you can be scared of the fact that bureuacracies act on whims with no apparent consistency and with the full authority of der State, but you probably already were before this (if you read).
But while its going on, I say it is supersweet that that nazi-provocateur might have to team up with ACLU to get his kids back just for being an unserious dink about one of the few things he controls in his impotent wasted life.
You like nazi names, funnyman?  You like pushing the envelope and using your rights to pollute public rosters and data banks with your unthinking lame acts of rebelliousness?  Feel the state's true power!  Adolf's going into the System!  We will raise Aryan to serve the volk in our Youth Cleansing Program.  Thank you for your service, loser.  Now go make some more means for your tasteless agenda for us to put to some better use.
Now your joke has a punchline, funnyman.  Now your life has meaning.  Feel it fascist fanboy!
Hilarious.

65 No. you. Dint.

66

Mind you, NJ DYFS has left emaciated children with parents, and was unable to locate one kid until he turned up dead in a sealed box in the parent's basement.

So, it makes me sick to hear them chasing people who do reprehensible but legal things.

67 Or the creme-de-la-creme of horrible kid names: Clamydia

Come on now, they removed the "H" that makes it ok, right?

68 I won't tell you this person's name, but I am currently working with someone who has a name that is so incredibly close to one of Hitler's top advisers, it's tough to ask for him when I call.

69 Berrill thinks gender switching is okay but assholes naming their kids after murderers is bad.  Call the Poe leese.

70 Guy on the radio discussing this this morning thinks it's only a matter of time before teachers are required to notify CPS when children mention their parents lawfully own guns.

Isn't it in NJ that part of the pediatrics exam is for the physicians to ask the kids about their parents alcohol consumption and whether or not any firearms are in the home?  For the kid's safety, of course.

Hell, I get freaking pissed off because my primary care physician is supposed to ask if I feel threatened by others in my home environment.  He asked me once.  I think my vehement response of "It's none of your damn business whether or not I even have a partner and I know it's part of VAWA and I think it's utter bullshit" took care of my ever being asked again.

71

I won't tell you this person's name, but I am currently working with someone who has a name that is so incredibly close to one of Hitler's top advisers, it's tough to ask for him when I call.

His name is Heinrich Himmler, but they switched the initials on the first and last names, so it's okay.

72

Roy (#44) - you beat me to it, dagnabit.  I don't suppose DFACS has come a-knockin' at Demi Moore's front door yet, either.

HOWEVER... if they were to round up every family with a kid named Mohammed, Ahmed, and the like - and them provide them a loving, caring, family atmosphere at the soon-to-be-vacated Guantanamo Family Theme Park and Resort...

That makes me think, when they start grabbing kids with overtly religious Christianist names, the parking lot at my local Home Depot is going to be empty.  What'll they do with all those kids named Jesus?

73 >>>For the record, I don't think that NJ has any business taking children away from parents who name them "Osama Bin Laden" either. (Or "investigating" them)The difference being that it would never occur to them in a billion years to do that, and they'd be instantly fired if they ever did it.

The last part is undeniably true.

74 I dated a girl named Society, every time someone said 'hi' there was a chuckle.  Her parents were hippy.  I also went to school with a chick named Sugar Sweet.

75 I don't mind the investigation because where there is one pathology, there are likely (but not necessarily definitely) more.

This guy obviously has one pathology. (And no, I don't consider it just a political choice-- it's a pathology.)

I think the state has the odds on their side when they suspect maybe there's other bad shit going on here.

However, having not found any more bad shit (which apparently they didn't), they can't just use the name as a reason to take the kid away.

76

#58 Oh, you knew that would eventually be coming to a school near you.

I think the parents are absolute morons (the real kind) for naming their kid that (rather like the woman who wanted to name her daughter "Placenta" back in the day when my mom was a nurse, and felt the liberty to hint strongly that Placenta probably wasn't such a great name no matter how pretty it sounded).  However, being an idiot or even a racist, or a racist idiot, does not automatically make you an abusive nor neglectful parent -- certainly not compared to the hundreds of kids DCFS doesn't investigate each year who are legitimately abused and neglected (and yes, that includes a fair few foster homes).

 

77 We should take Barak Obama away from his parents because they named him Hussein.

78 I think we have a Dr. Mengele on staff here.  At least that's what it sounds like on the overhead.  Dr. Mengele to emergency, Dr. Mengele

79

I'm going to name my firstborn "Durka Durka Mohammed Jihad" just to offend everybody.

80 What'll they do with all those kids named Jesus?

They take us already.  It's all arbitrary.  I mean come on - technically 95% of parents don't know what they're doing and fuck up their kids somehow and most kids could be raised better by someone.  That's freedom and unfettered, arbitrary bureaucracy colliding.  Happens a lot.

It's just that this time it's so poetic.  Maybe not just, but poetic.

The real Hitler would've advocated the same thing - degenerates shouldnt be allowed near kids, let alone near them.
So I still say HA!

Isn't fascism funny?  What's the big deal right?  Just a name with no connections to anything unAmerican and fascist.  Until now, loser.
Feel it.  Now this loser's life has meaning.

81

This guy obviously has one pathology.

You do realise that the Democrats consider conservative political views to likewise be a "pathology"?  The Soviet Union also dealt with poltical dissidents by sending them to the mental institutions. It's a concept with a bad history.

The guy presumably has some kooky political views, but that's not supposed to be a crime in this country, or an excuse for the "mental health professionals' to step in.

82 63..or we're all fucked.

Where.have.you.been?

83

It's just that this time it's so poetic.  Maybe not just, but poetic.

It's not poetic, you jackass. Injustice is never poetic.

Just a name with no connections to anything unAmerican and fascist.  Until now, loser.

You seem pretty un-American and fascist yourslf, "Jesus".

 

84

I'm going to name my firstborn "Durka Durka Mohammed Jihad" just to offend everybody.

*SNERK!!!*

85

Ironically, the Nazis did this to Jewish kids.

Let me get this straight: Some parents give their kids some names the DYFS doesn’t like, so they implement jack-booted methods to take them their home.

There was no physical, mental, emotional abuse or neglect on the part of the parents.

Just kids names the authorities didn’t like.

Are they nuts or just stupid? What they’ve done is tantamount to child abuse. There’s just no limit to the government’s propensity to abuse its authority.

If they had named the children after Josef Stalin, Vladimir Lenin, Karl Marx, Mao Tse Tung, or Osama bin Laden, they would have never been touched.

86 >>> The guy presumably has some kooky political views, but that's not supposed to be a crime in this country, or an excuse for the "mental health professionals' to step in.


it's not a crime. But it is deeply fucked-up.

In many states, until recently, it wasn't a crime to fuck animals, either.

Now, if you found out a guy was fucking animals, would you look into his children's welfare? Even though screwing animals is NOT a crime in many states?

The threshhold, I don't think, is "Is this a crime?" the threshold is "Does this give rise to reasonable worries?" Here I think it does. He's already committed one act which will harm his kid later in life - calling him Hitler. i think he's allowed to do that and all, but that is, in fact, *harmful.*

I'm not bothered that someone down at CPS thought he should look into this.

But having found nothing, that should be the end of it.

87 Maybe not the best example, ace.  Beastiality is one of those diversities liberals want to make everyone embrace.  Your dad fucked the dog last night?  We should read the rest of the kids a book about it so they can learn about this valid form of self-expression and you don't feel so alone.  Your dad went to target-shooting league last night?  We need to call the nice social worker to take you to the shelter where you will be safe.

I really don't want people's political views being a legitimate reason for the state to control people's lives and families.  I voted for Bush in 2000, and I'm allergic to re-education camp.

88 Where's the fucking ACLU??

89

Was the name Pussy Galore harmful to her?  She did work for that evil dude for awhile so maybe so.

Seriously, the namesake of Lear jets named his daughter Christa Chanda.

90 Why not pre-emptively remove all children until their parents prove they are Right Thinking Citizens?

Don't be silly.  Under Obama, it will be necessary to keep children in the home, so they can spy on their parents. 

To confirm they are complying with carbon taxes, for example. 

91

So Ace, what other perfectly legal things that parents might would you consider sufficient grounds for CPS to start investigating?

The parents are clearly idiots but that is still not sufficient reason to take the kids away, investigate or simply start "sniffing around".

92 This is where the slippery slope argument makes perfect sense.

93 Hey, Dick Trickle, now that kid should've been taken away from his parents!

94 "(and, frankly, I think child services has the duty to give him a ring in this situation and see what other interesting ideas about child rearing the guy might have)"

plus

supporting the first bailout

equals

no conservative blogger of the year award.

95

If we're going to bring animals into this, then the Venn diagram's third ring is CatsThatLookLikeHitler(dot)com.

 

96 Meanwhile, NJ Child Services will no doubt hold a ceremony honoring the parents of Josef Stalin Jr. and Fidel Castro Jr.

97

Ace, if someone's father was fucking animals he wouldn't be a father. That is an irrational deductive fallacy.

98 I think child services has the duty to give him a ring in this situation and see what other interesting ideas about child rearing the guy might have

The threshhold, I don't think, is "Is this a crime?" the threshold is "Does this give rise to reasonable worries?" Here I think it does. He's already committed one act which will harm his kid later in life - calling him Hitler. i think he's allowed to do that and all, but that is, in fact, *harmful.*

I'm not bothered that someone down at CPS thought he should look into this.

But having found nothing, that should be the end of it.

Stop digging, son.

99 Flenser,

Get a little sense of proportion.  Not every loss of freedom is the same.  
 If no injustice is funny or poetic then nothing is. 
You act as if this doesnt happen all the time to the wrong people.  This time it's funny because of the context.  I think you mistake cynicism for fascism (you should get that checked).

I pity your apparent lack of humor and misplaced self-righteousness but I'm not going to call you a fascist or moralistic prig because of it. 

Sometimes, when people don't appreciate their rights, it is even good for them to feel the harsh reality of why people are actually offended by fascist names to begin with.
Injustice might be bad, but if dude was wronged, I'm sure it will be righted.  And probably by the ACLU.  But lacking all decency is also pretty bad and its nice to see it get its comeuppance once in a while.
 Loathing the indecent doesn't make me fascist, just somewhat conscientious of my fellow man, and somewhat better than some guy who names his kids Hitler, but can whine about his rights and diversity when he has too as well as any leeching hippy when he has too.

I don't think I'm fascist because I laugh at idiots who don't realize they live in fascist NJ and think this is a free country because they say so.

Give me a break.  It's not like he put his kids in the line of fire of rockets in order to get them killed.  That's just sad and deliberate.  Tragic.  not really my kind of humor.

But this moron lives in America and has no purpose so he inadvertently puts his kids in the line of the Child Services and loses his power to make them obnoxious people for a few weeks.  Sad, but not tragic.  Just weak.  There are plenty like you who will jump to defend his right to be pathetic, but I would too, but only after first laughing at the pathetic and defending more important liberties first.  (is that still a right? to have priorities? to disdain scumbags who make their kids names fighting words for no purpose but to be a dick?)

But you keep labeling the decent fascist, because until there are no standards our right to live as an ass will never be secure.  Fight on brother.  In every direction.  Indiscriminately.

100 Look, despite all the well-meaning and probably justified howls from the libertarians here, it's pretty clear that they were setting up their kids for a world of hurt. Physical abuse, who knows, that's for the courts to investigate, but mental abuse, highly likely.

I got two names for you:

Dweezil
Moon-Unit

QED

101

(and, frankly, I think child services has the duty to give him a ring in this situation and see what other interesting ideas about child rearing the guy might have)

Sigh.....really?  I'll bet a large number of the CPS "professionals" find highly religious people, people who home school or probably just flat out Republican voters weird and wonder what interesting childrearing ideas they might have (gasp!1!1! They may even spank their children!).  I'm sure they'd love to poke around, they'd probably just start with OpenSecrets.org and see whose donating to the obviously racist and terrible Republicans in the area.  Plus they do such a great job already what with leaving obviously abused children with their parents or taking children away and then losing them that they definately have all the time in the world to investigate people based on the names they give their children.  I could tell you stories about when I lived in the 'hood back in the day (3 years ago) and how child rearing went around there and what CPS did about it (nada).     

Seriously though, you really want the government looking into parents based on their political views (however retarded)?  I'm surprised at you Ace.  Shocked really.  You do understand that CPS is nothing but a bunch of liberals like every other "social service" agency?       

102 I'm sorry, call me a Compassionate Conservative (barf!)... but yeah, damned straight I would take that kid away from the assholes that named him that.

Wait till they start taking your kids away from you because you're teaching them...wait for it...conservative values.

That's child abuse, dontcha know? all the moonbat jr's are going to pick on your little offspring.

What? you don't think it could happen? what do you think those studies where about conservatism as mental illness is about? to classify conservatives as mentally ill.

103 So if I named my twin sons "Shithead" and "Dumbass," this would be a bad idea?

104

This is'nt going to stop until some of these DFS motherfuckers end up dead on a doorstep.

As far as I'm concerned,that would be a good start.The pain that I would inflict on someone who came too take my child would make what we do to Gitmo detainees seem like pattycake.

Oh yea,gotta just love these freedom loving assholes who have no problem with the government snooping around looking for an excuse to kidnap your child,fucking asshats.

105

Most likely cause: after he made himself and his kids famous, his neighbors started dropping dimes on him.

106

This is'nt going to stop until some of these DFS motherfuckers end up dead on a doorstep.

It's happened a few times. Usual endgame is that the parent(s) wind up dead courtesy of a SWAT raid and the children are in foster care until they reach majority.

107 Recently watched "Horsefeathers" a Marx Brothers movie from 1932, and some dude who owned or directed or somesuch had "ADOLF" as his name. How times change.

108 It cannot be that they were taken from their family just because if their names. Yes, the names are horrible and thoughtless and cruel not only to the children but to others who have to say, hear or read the names - but I do not know of a law that states you cannot name you child whatever you wish (except no numbers or overt swearing - and even that is open to interpretation).

There has to be more, like proof that they were emotionally, mentally or physically abusing or neglecting the kids in order for them to be removed.

I hope the state didn't over-step. And if they didn't and there was abuse or neglect - then the state id the right thing. We may never know for sure. What I do know is I feel bad for those kids to have such losers as parents. Unless the kids grow up to be as stupid as their parents, they will give themselves nicknames and go by that (like how David Bowie's son, Zowie, called himself Joe as a kid and later had it legally changed.)

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I don't nuthin 'bout nuthin but I do know this: Anybody who claims to be a part of Aryan Nation should be watched very, very closely. This guy that named his kids the way he did is thumbing his nose at us. This is an early warning sign as far as I'm concerned.

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It's ironic.  Two parents demonstrate a fondness for Nazis in their use of names.  NJ responds with its love of Nazis in its actions.

It would be sweet to see an enormous lawsuit filed and won by those parents.  Technically, since it wasn't against the law to put the names on birth certificates, what would the charges be?  Maybe such a lawsuit would put NJ out of business altogether.  Then the state would be full of abandoned places, all written up in Weird NJ.  Then PA could annex NJ, and get that beachfront...

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Sorry, but you people supporting what DYFS did have your heads firmly up your respective asses. Was it weird and creepy that the parents choose those names? Sure. Do they have every right to do it? Damn right they do.

If you change your name to Adolf Hitler right now, does that people are allowed to harass you an victimize you because you have the name of history's most hated person? Fuck no.

I double dare these government asshole bustbodies to try and take little Joseph Stalin or Pol Pot from their parents! 

Never fucking happen!   

 

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Ace,  speaking as someone whose entire biological family went through Washington State's fantastically fucked up CPS, eat a dick.

These children will be destroyed in the system.  That's what the system does:  destroy children.  The infant might have a shot, if she gets placed with a family immediately, but that 3 year old is broken.  Years 0-5 are the formative years, and if they were not being beaten, sexually abused, or starved, then the only real psychological damage that is going to be visited on these kids is what the state is doing to them right now.

*If* they manage to find parents that will glom onto them, they will still carry memories of their parents with them, and will have great dificulty with inter-personal relationships down the road.  What usually happens is that these kids will be passed around in holding families until they start acting out in the teen years, during which they will enter the institutional system (boy's ranches, juvenile detention, etc etc).  With this boy's name, which can't legally be changed unless his parent's rights are terminated and someone else becomes his legal guardian, he will definitely end up on somebodies shit list even if he is Mr. Peaches and Cream.

Unless these kids are returned to their parents, who might hold fucked up but not illegal ideas, their future outlook is grim regardless of what the state tries to do.

No one wants to adopt a 5 year old.  That's why people pay exorbinant fees to adopt Chinese babies, even though they could get paid for adopting American.  People want babies.

I got removed when I was 5 and took years of beatings but kept my f'ing mouth shut because it beat digging in trash cans for food for myself and 3 siblings.  Government sucks at this sort of thing because dicksuckers get promoted who care only about their careers and forget that they are public fucking servants.

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