1 My give-o-shit meter registers the same as yours.

2 -
Pussy.

3 Don't take them alive - should be the only policy. (yea, and I know we need the intel)

4 "was told that his mother and sister were whores" - sorry, but if he's from Saudi Arabia, I'd bet my life that he's never known his mother or his sister by any other name than "whores". 

5 You want torture? Do a google search on 'pear of anguish.' Those medieval guys sure knew how to do it old school.

I'd provide a link, but the last time this came up on a thread, Ginger's nipples got so hard, they turned into little black holes and threatened the very fabric of the universe.

6 Maybe, maybe.............almost...............nope, not quite.  I couldn't bring myself to care, even though I tried.

7

Pathetic.  Not just that we're even able to define his treatment as 'torture', but this is the first of many squishes in the Bush administration that will be so called whistle blowing.

If we've dumbed down the definition of the word 'torture', then I am being tortured every day that I see Schumer, Dodd, Pelosi in office.  Not to mention the new thug overlord, B-Ho and his merry pranksters.

 

8 So now it is a problem?  Fuck you Crawford!

9 I agree. The first thing I thought about when I read this is how the Falling Man had been tortured. The second was is why is that SOB still breathing.

10

Sorry this may sound sexist but you can't have a woman make an accurate determination on what is torture for a man just as a man cannot make an accurate detemination on what is torture for a woman.  

11 Remember this rule of thumb: if Andi Sullivan can go to NYC and pay to get it done to him, it ain't torture.

This rule should be incorporated into the Geneva Conventions.

12 "was told that his mother and sister were whores."

OMG! We need to drop some leaflets along with those humanitarian MRE's that explain that "sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me."

Seriously, I can agree that a reasonable person could disagree and say torture of some kind took place, but name-calling?

13

Well said. I have more sympathy for the squirrel I accidentally ran over a few months ago than I do for whatsisfuck.

And again I must rail against the legal definition of torture. He was treated harshly, and rightly so, but at no time was he subjected to power drills in his kneecaps, wrists and elbows, and he never had his fingers smashed repeatedly, he didn't have eyes gouged out, nor he was slowly skinned with a filet knife. Fuck the legal definition. Torture is maiming out of pure glee or malice and serves only to prolong the pain before inevitable death. We don't do that. They do that!

14

Susan J. Crawford is HAWT!

15 I think Tourtue is TOO GOOD for them, and alls FAIR in Love and WAR, so God Bless Bush/Chaney, I too could give a shit less, and the fact that we allow them to breath is a gift.

16 Great commentary, couldn't agree more.

17

They think standing naked in front of a female is torture? Yeah, maybe for her. Ditto everything Drew M. said...their job is to prevent another 9/11, and I care not if the animals responsible or ones that would carry out such attacks are a little uncomfortable as they're questioned.

18 What a brave woman.Fight the power!

19 Ok, where's the part where some American got a Blow torch and some pliers out and went to work?   Rubber Hose?  Truncheon?  Did someone give him a pink belly?   How about an Indian Burn (or is it Native American burn?)   

20 Obama will force good men to make a choice they otherwise wouldn't.  Kill them all and let God sort them out.  There will be a dramatic drop in prisoners in the War on Terror beginning in one week.

21

Somewhere, a worried David McCumber silently rejoices.

These lefties are the same cunts who just LOVE to be all radical and shit, love CHe...

Fuck them.

22 AMEN! (I can still say that, right?)

23 That's.  Not.  Torture.  It's rough, it's intense, it's harsh but it's not torture.

My issue with defining torture down is how do you describe actual torture, you know, like being dipped into a vat of oil or acid or having fingers cut off and the like.  Superdoubleplusbadtorture?

And, look, I'm going to be perfectly blunt here.  I can make a very strong educated guess as to how he views women.  I *want* all of his interrogations to be conducted by strong, capable, armed, intelligent women.  I want all his medical care to be provided by women.  I want to throw in his face, at every possible damn opportunity, that women aren't less than dogs. 

Boo freaking hoo he got upset during the interrogations.  I think my give-o-shit meter is in negative numbers. 

24 This cardiac arrhythmia can be underlain by several causes, which are best divided into cardiac and non-cardiac causes. Non-cardiac causes are usually secondary, and can involve drug use or abuse; metabolic or endocrine issues, especially in the thyroid; an electrolyte imbalance; neurologic factors; autonomic reflexes; situational factors such as prolonged bed rest; and autoimmunity. Cardiac causes include acute or chronic ischemic heart disease, vascular heart disease, valvular heart disease, or degenerative primary electrical disease. Ultimately, the causes act by three mechanisms: depressed automaticity of the heart, conduction block, or escape pacemakers and rhythms.

25

Another thing. If you want to test some leftist who believes basically any non physical harsh interrogation technique is torture, ask them whether they would have any problem in administering a drug that will make the detainee tell the truth with the only side effect being flu like symptom for 48hrs.  They will stammer for a second trying to think of a reason why this would be bad before they give up and just say it is torture just because it is.

26 First they came for the man who plotted to cause the fiery deaths of tens of thousands, and I said nothing, for I was not plotting to cause the fiery deaths of tens of thousands..........

Then I went out and bought a 2L bottle of Coke Zero.  The End.

27 "neurologic factors" - maybe.

"situational factors such as prolonged bed rest" - sitting in cell. sitting in chair. not moving, etc. possibly.

28 OT - but there's a lawyer here in my home town named Susan Crawford. And she's kinda cute I guess. But her 50 y/o mama is better looking than she is. Kinda strange how that works sometimes.

29 Funny how no one on the left expressed much if any sympathy for the treatment McCain and other US POWs received from their buddies in North Vietnam.

30 Sorry this may sound sexist but you can't have a woman make an accurate determination on what is torture for a man just as a man cannot make an accurate detemination on what is torture for a woman. 

I don't think that's sexist, I just don't know if I totally agree.  I mean, blowtorching, acid baths, having a squirrel put into an orifice, that kind of crosses gender lines.  If you're trying to say that there are specific things, such as the pear of anguish, that a man can't really understand, okay.  But I wouldn't go so far as to say that a man (or woman) is incapable of formulating a comprehension as to what the opposite sex would find tortuous. 

I do agree that they may not be able to comprehend what the pain is like, but I am leery of the idea that only women know what harms women and only men what harms men. 

31 I understand that on 9/1/01, 3,000 of his potential victims had their heart rates drop below 35 beats per minute. Way below.

32 Bush and Cheney should write some letters questioning their own decisions in really vague ways, back date them to 09/12/2001 and then "find them in a drawer."

See, its okay now!

33 We have reached some point beyond the singularity of the absurd.  I, for one, would like to get Ms. Crawford's definition of torture after she was forced to spend just one 18-hour period in the company of the Taliban.

34

Not to be too legalistic, but I think the proper name is "Give a Shit-o-meter".

Anyway, back to the point, it's not like we gave him the 'atomic wedgie' or a 'swirlie', so what's the problem?

35 Maybe America is on the wane. We are so in decline if we can't muster the cultural confidence to make murderous Islamists feel uncomfortable. I mean seriously, calling his bitch of a mother a whore. Threatening him with a dog named Zeus (would the name "Fluffy" have made it more acceptable).

If our enemies aren't laughing at us, they should be.

36 Qahtani "was forced to wear a woman's bra and had a thong placed on his head during the course of his interrogation" and "was told that his mother and sister were whores." With a leash tied to his chains, he was led around the room "and forced to perform a series of dog tricks," the report shows.

Qahtani must think he's now a brother of Delta Tau Chi.

37 We don't know what to do with him?  I suggest that we blow him up and burn him to constituent carbon atoms.  That's what he ultimately wanted to have happen to him on 9/11; I say just give it to him.

38 I will say this. She waited until after the election to say this. She may have had true qualms about this. and maybe they did go over a few lines.

I think this is all a planned roll-out for O's day one "closure of Gitmo" and banning of water-boarding (only.) This is designed to jog the populaces memories.

39 Her kind of 'bravery' would have been even more common if McCain had won.

Drew has it right: put on a uniform and conform to the Geneva Conventions, or be treated as a test subject.  If we treat terrorists and lawful combatants the same, what benefit do they get out of playing by the rules?

40 Joshua H. Christoferson!  If insulting mothers is "legally" torture, they gon' have ta lock up half the population of all the inner cities!  (Yo mamma so fat, yo momma so loose....)

41
I guaran-fucking-tee you this ignorant bitch thinks she just got some karma points of being compassionate toward a piece of shit.

42 Torture? We got neighborhoods in Los Angeles where that counts as a traffic stop...

43 Now that "24" is back on, it's time - time to reveal Jack Bauer's timepiece and why He does the things He does ....

Jack Bauer's Watch

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44

alexthechick at January 14, 2009 10:45 AM (SHHaV

I  agree that there is obvious torture that can be discerned by both men and women. I'm talking about the differences in the mental and physcial ability to withstand certain expanded interrogation techniques between men and women.  I venture to say that a woman undergoing these interrogation techniques would break down faster than a man in most cases.

45 And insults to his mother and sister.

Uh oh. I think I've opened myself up to a class action lawsuit from any lawyer willing to represent the Ace of Spades trolls.

Fortunately, I've come up with a brilliant strategy to throw them off my trail.

46 I just wish they would have tortured them all.  Slowly.  Over weeks and weeks.

47  Whatever happened to an eye for an eye. Or a threat for a threat.  These animals have no problem beheading , cutting off parts, anything to get their message out. Who say's we need to be bigger and better than them morally? Hell, if we would start giving these animals what they dish out, bet they would be get the hell out of town.  Oh, and by the way, when you idiots leave, please take Pelosi and Reid with you just for shits and grins. We don't want them!!!

48 Gee, we're going to be protected by a dumb gubmint cunt that can't see the forest for all the trees in her way.

Yay.

49 If name-calling is torture, then every leftist in America has been eggregiously guilty of torturing most of their government for the past eight years.  I say it's time for some war crimes tribunals.

50

Gee, when I was a triathlete back in the day, I was proud of a resting heart rate of 43-48 BPM. 

So really, we're not just making more terrorists, we're also making them stronger and fitter.  Fuck 'em.  I'm sure my friend Mark would love to have a heart rate at all, but thanks to this fuckwad's buddies that ain't gonna happen.

Load 'em all on a C17 and drop them off at home.  From 10,000 feet.  If allah wills it, they'll survive both the fall and the sudden stop at the bottom.  But prolly not. 

51 sounds like a fraternity initiation to me

52 I should have added that crossing the line to torture using these same techniques on a woman or a man is different and Crawford as a woman has her gender as her only baseline as to what that line is.

53 Just think about this...

7 years after 9/11, the American people put in charge of our country a man who agreed with his spiritual mentor of 2 decades that 9/11 was the chickens coming home to roost in this nation. This man in charge of our country also made his political career on the back of a domestic terrorist.

I have no other option but to believe that 52 percent of the electorate in this country agrees with those sentiments of Rev Wright and Bill Ayers. And the whatever percent of the electorate which stayed home and didn't bother to vote, voted anyway with their apathy to allowing this man to take over the reigns of our country.

There was a lot of talk about what gas price would be the breaking point for consumers. Well, similarly, some wondered when would the nation forget 9/11/2001. I'd have to say that the elections of 2006 and 2008 showed that the American people's attention span lasts all of 5 years. 9/11 has been forgotten by the majority of Americans.

Pathetic.

54  I'm talking about the differences in the mental and physcial ability to withstand certain expanded interrogation techniques between men and women.  I venture to say that a woman undergoing these interrogation techniques would break down faster than a man in most cases.

Well, as Queen of All Women, I wouldn't agree with that! 

No, actually, that is a good point.  There's nothing improper or sexist about discussing the facts that men and women are biologically different, experience pain differently and perceive situations and stress differently.  One of my pet peeves is when "feminists" attempt to simultaneously claim that there are no biological differences between men and women and that women have a superior way of knowing.  Yeah, no.  It's one or the other, baby.  Either men and women are exactly alike or there are differences.  Pick.  One.

Which, um, wasn't exactly what you were discussing.  Sorry about that.  It just really ticks me off.  There are differences between men and women, up to and including how the brain processes data.  One is not better than the other, it's just different is all.  It's not demeaning to me, as a woman, to discuss those facts.

55 Naked, in front of a woman, with a bra on and a thong on his head? For some of us, that's a really good Saturday night.

56 It does sound like a fraternity initiation, and/or something rich pervs would pay for.

Jeez, most men I know wouldn't even admit to being scared or hurt by that (though the sleep deprivation would probably bring out the whiny in 'em), let alone consider it torture.

Talk to me when we start lopping off body parts. I *may* reconsider.

57 Gee, I feel just terrible that Joe Jihad was made uncomfortable.

Hah. As if.

58 Oh, the inhumanity. Man's beastly nature to man! How could we possibly to this to a fellow human being -- I mean a THONG? OMG! Was it used or new> this type of information is vital in forming an opinion, you know.

Where were the acid baths [so popular under Saddam Hussein]?  No medical amputations? What is this world coming to?

I mean, CALLING HIS MOTHER A WHORE?  This type of sick treatment would cause almost any junior high school geek to giggle.

And making him COLD -- at GITMO? What were they thinking?



When MY heartbeat drops to 35 bpm it means I am ready to kick ass in a marathon.

59

Sorry this may sound sexist but

My first thought was that this is why you shouldn't have civilians or women involved in this kind of crap.

60 I've never asked anyone to torture someone on my behalf.

I can do that myself.  Just let me in the cell with a smallish suitcase filled with some ordinary household items.  Oh and have an EMT standing by.

K

61 DrewM, thanks for putting it so clear and concise.  I would rather wipe out the entire Muslim population than lose one American life.  That's the truth.

Angry White Dude

62 Jo Dee Messina said it best - My Give-A-Damn's Busted.

Boo Freaking Hoo.

63 @59--

I dunno. I'm a woman and I would have done far, far worse things to anyone I suspected of having a hand in 9/11 or possible subsequent attacks.

Then again, I probably would've killed them within an hour, which won't get much information...

64

was told that his mother and sister were whores

We aren't supposed to use this kind of treatment on terrorists yet this kind of language is used on Sarah Palin and her children daily.  Hypocrites.

65 My fraternity initiation would qualify as a crime against humanity compared to that little bit of fun.

66

As I said earlier, I throw the bullshit flag and I expect to see a lot more of this shit in the coming weeks and months. I expect quite a few “tell-all” books as well in a few months. At least with those you can pretty much determine what the motive for all the lies and spin is.

 

The question here is what is her motive? Is she trying to set up an “I was against it” defense if the Obamites decide that she was an organizer for torture? We do know that the Dems have promised many show trials and investigations for what they see as Bush infractions.

 

One thing to remember about this woman is that she is the evil person that caused the Gitmo Lawyer to resign because she was so bad on the terrorists.

 

The other thing that gets me is that there is already talk that the assholes who were aggressively questioned will most likely walk because the evidence can not be used in court and the SCOTUS in their infinite wisdom decided that Gitmo was U.S. soil. Given that, and the fact that no other country wants these scum within their borders, we may even have to turn them loose inside our borders.

67 See this squished between my fingers? It is two and a half tons of compressed give-a-shit, all for the scum sucking, motherfucking, son of a motherless goat.

68 Has the media yet determined whether or not his mother and sister were, in fact, whores?

69 Oh for fucks sake....   Expect McCain to jump on top of this and parade him self around as the Mav again.  I am sick of watching my country punish itself for doing nothing wrong.

There is  fundamental disconnect between Patriots (Us Morons) and Liberals.  I don't give two fucks if we did torture.  That side of the world has produced nothing but death and despair for everyone including themselves.  All they know how to do if murder, maim, and rape.  FUCK THEM ALL.

Yes ALL OF THEM.  Until they can prove to the world that the above mentioned is false, then I will continue to view Islam as the vile excuse for murder it is.

Fuck that 'religion' and all who follow it.

70

AngelEm at January 14, 2009 11:10 AM (tbIup)

I'm with ya sister.

71

ZOMG! They called his Mommie a what?!?

This means AOSHQ flamewars are war crimes.

72 Wow, all of those techniques have been endorsed by Obama! I wonder when Democrats will ask about his pro-torture position?

73

Qahtani "was told that his mother and sister were whores."

And, if he is allowed to return to his home he will gladly kill his mother and sister to protect his family honor.

74

Not a single action in the entire tale is torture. Is it harsh treatment? Is it humiliation? Yes. IT IS NOT TORTURE!

Fucking candy-ass lawyers who got their feelings hurt during fraternity and sorority hazings should not be defining what constitutes torture.

75 Gitmo detainees are the most protected species on the planet. It may have been uncomfortable and humiliating, but by now they know that they are the Untouchables, and no real harm will come to them. So yeah, all those saying that torture doesn't work have created such a safety net as to render this milquetoast concept of torture useless.

Now, hammering toes? That's never killed anyone but would be much more effective. I'm just guessing, here.

76

Forty-eight of 54 consecutive days of 18-to-20-hour interrogations.

This sentence makes no sense to me.   Either it's 48 consecutive days, or 54 non-consecutive days, unless I'm missing the "logic" in her "America is bad, Muslims are good" dhimmitude argument.  (Which is what it ultimately comes down to.)

As for this ass being "tortured" I, along with the others here, don't give a broken damn with a dent in the side panel.

77 My definition of "torture" would be having the fruit of my labor taken away from me by threat of force and used to promote ideas or behavior with which I don't agree.

Maybe I'm just weird.

78 Daniel Pearl was unavailable for comment.

79

by now they know that they are the Untouchables, and no real harm will come to them

You know they're all sitting in their cells laughing their butts off at us.  And planning their revenge when they get out.

80 Next time Muslim terrorists kill Americans, let's not bother with torture to get information.  Just kill them.  All of them.

81 Native New yorker-my give a shit meter did not budge.  Anytime I start to feel the slightest compassion for these people I think back to my fellow New Yorkers, trapped in the flames, holding hands with strangers, and stepping off the 110th floor to escape burning to death.  My heart turns back to stone.

82

If someone is going to claim torture it's too bad that we didn't go for the gold. I mean, if people really want to see torture I'm sure that we could deliver it in spades. The possibilities are truly endless if you put the right sick fuck in charge of said torture.

That being said, I really don't give a shit about this fuck. I'm sure we've extracted everything we can from him. Why is he still alive? And he isn't worthy of prosecution because of perceived torture? I know a LOT of people who would think otherwise. Something tells me they'd all still find him worthy of prosecution if they'd ripped off his fingers and toes one by one while playing catch with his testicles.

83

sustained isolation, sleep deprivation, nudity and prolonged exposure to cold, leaving him in a "life-threatening condition."

This is what internet porn does to you.

84 First they came for the man who plotted to cause the fiery deaths of tens of thousands, and I said nothing, for I was not plotting to cause the fiery deaths of tens of thousands..........Then I went out and bought a 2L bottle of Coke Zero.  The End.

Reading that is worth every minute I cheat my employer browsing this site.

Bravo.

85

Joshua H. Christoferson!  If insulting mothers is "legally" torture, they gon' have ta lock up half the population of all the inner cities!  (Yo mamma so fat, yo momma so loose....)

Yo momma so hairy bigfoot takes pictures of her

86 The jihadi of the future will be a cross-dressing nudist trained in fetch, rollover, and play dead. He will have a whore for a mother and a slut for a sister.

"Can't torture me, sons of pigs."

87 Yo momma glasses so thick, when she looks at a map she can see people waving.

88 Yo momma so greasy, she uses bacon for bandaids

89 Yo momma's teeth are so yellow, when she smiles traffic slows down.

90 My issue with defining torture down is how do you describe actual torture, you know, like being dipped into a vat of oil or acid or having fingers cut off and the like.  Superdoubleplusbadtorture?

I think what we're seeing is moral equivalency in effect.  If blasting rock music all night while they're in a cell with no bed is the same as slowly skinning someone and rubbing salt in their open wounds, then we HAVE to go purely the legal system route on terrorism.  AKA The Bill Clinton method.

Which then begs the question...when I lived in the dorms at college and my next door neighbor would blast rock all night, and I had the equivalent of a board with styrofoam cheese on top to sleep on, can I retroactively sue the school and my neighbor?

91

That POS better be thanking whichever false deity he prays to that I wasn't in charge of his "interrogation".

"You've read the report, I start with the right eye.." Jack Bauer.

92

Yo momma is so ugly even Ted Danson wouldn't fuck her.

(Ted Danson fucked Whoopie Goldberg)

93

Like one of the guys I flew with in the USAF once said,

"some people just need killing."

 

94 Yo momma's armpits are so hairy it looks like she  has Don King in a headlock.

95 Ms. Crawford, what evidence do you have that the 9/11 misfits even contemplated hooking-up heart monitors to all of their victims so they could stop their torture? In rationalizing your "tortured" determination, you are quoted by Bob Woodward saying, "How can we complain? Where is our moral authority to complain? Well, we have lost it." Perhaps you could tell that, not just to the families of the tower victims, but also to those two brave soldiers kidnapped by the terrorists in Iraq, then carved-up into little pieces and left by the roadside. I'll bet they would have preferred wearing a woman's bra.

96 Yo Mamma sucks only circumcised cock because the whore can't resist 20% off.

97 Yo momma is so stupid she had to study for a drug test.

98 "was told that his mother and sister were whores."


I've heard worse at a street basket ball game

guys going through the dozens.. (yo mama's so fat.. so ugly.. so easy  )

99 Wonder what Crawford's opinion of torture will be when this comes to fruition:

Counter Terrorism Update by Juval Aviv

(moron disclaimer=I'm in Chrome & have no idea if the link will work. Asking for forgiveness in advance. Please don't make me run around with a thong on my head.)

100 Do not care.

101 Hey Ed..Fillet him up into little pieces and make Michael Moore eat it. Fat bastard.

102 I heard on the radio this morning that the terrorists we've released from Gitmo have all returned to their terrorists ways (my words) which as the news clown said presents a dilemma for PE Barry as to what to with the little darlings when he closes Gitmo. Of course it wouldn't dawn on any of them that not closing Gitmo would keep these wonderful guys where they belong.

103 Yo momma is so stupid, Joe Biden beat her on Jeopardy.

104 Damn, didn't work out right. Oh well. If you care to cut & paste....

http://tinyurl.com/89wcfs

105 We are Americans, and we shouldn't torture. Not because of what it does to the terrorist scum, but what it says about us. However, the Geneva Conventions allows battlefield executions of "combatants" not in uniform or fighting under the flag of a sovereign nation. We should exercise this to the fullest. There would be much less of a clamor to fight against "The Great Satan" when several hundred of those who preceded you were shot a few minutes after being captured. No limelight, no publicity, no chance to strut around like the cock of the walk, spouting Islamic filth. Just a quick bullet in the back of the head, and an anonymous grave in some middle eastern shithole.

106 I'm so concerned about this report that I'll donate a .45 bullet for this asshole.

107 Let me at the fucker's nuts. He'll wish that pussy, Zeus, was back in the room with him after I get through with him.

108 Catch this b4 it's taken down

109 Waitaminute...

Guy has all his digits, all his limbs, his nose, his lips; no scars, didn't bleed, still has both testicles (if he came in with both), ears, eyes; no burn marks, no whip marks, didn't go through the wood chipper...

We (the US) really suck at this "torture" thing.

110 With very few exceptions, the words "top Bush administration official" are a euphemism for backstabbing gutless weasel.

111 So, Not insults to his mother and sister!

All he did to me was fly a Boeing into my building, splashing burning jet fuel over my co-workers until their skin came off like hose off a leg. My last living memory is of holding a poor girl's hand on our way down after we jumped to escape being incinerated alive. Her screams will haunt my eternity.

So PLEASE don't tell me were insensitive to the people responsible for widowing my wife, costing the kids I'll never see grow up their Dad, and taking that girl's life in the most horrific way you can imagine. Poor Mika on MSLunacy couldn't take that!

112

hell, I went through worse when I became a Shellback.  And that was under the watchful eye of our commanding officer.  (if I ever find that fat Chief who played the royal baby, i'm gonna kill him) 

Really, we can't use bad words in front of them any more?  I've heard worse at a football game, and that was from the home fans.  Ask a couple guys from SERE about this and they be crying with laughter.  if only they had it so "rough".

I'm so tick off about this shit, it's amazing.  Way to fucking go you douche, Crawford.

113

I heard on the radio this morning that the terrorists we've released from Gitmo have all returned to their terrorists ways (my words) which as the news clown said presents a dilemma for PE Barry as to what to with the little darlings when he closes Gitmo.

Maybe that GPS chip we stuck up their ass will come in handy to help our UAV drivers improve their aim. The military won't repeat their mistakes.

114 Yo mamma's pussy's so big, she uses a C-130 as a vibrator.

....okay, it's funnier when you're on your 3rd day without sleep, wearing filthy BDUs and carrying 70 lbs of gear on your back.

115 Yo momma is so ugly, Helen Thomas doesn't want to be seen with her.

116

If the Congress wants a really good revew of Gitmo perhaps they should ask the family's of 9/11 to participate.

Wonder if their definition of torture is the same as some gutless shoe clerk from Washington, D.C.

117 "Your momma is Helen Thomas."

That would cruel on SO many different levels...

118 The 40% are really not going to like this!

119

Setting the stage for investigations into war crimes by the Bush admin.

And you thought winning an election would calm their nary asses down.

120 Drew, thank you for this extremely well-done post. You covered the salient points. When I read the original story this morning off Real Clear Politics I just about puked. Such agonized delicacy about the treatment of this poor terrorist POS. As you said, if these guys decide to play the "international man of mystery" game, all bets are off. If you are considering mass civilian murder, you ought to know this fate may await you.

When it comes to terrorists who can be positively identified (as Crawford affirmed in this case), they should be interrogated by the best methods available to ensure reliable results. They should not be treated sadistically, but only because that's not us, because they deserve whatever they get. However, once the interrogations are finished, however many hours, days, months or years that takes, they should be taken out and shot with the proper military formalities.

121 Did someone say, "pear of anguish"?

122 Yo momma so fat, she jumped up in the air and got stuck.

123 "was forced to wear a woman's bra and had a thong placed on his head during the course of his interrogation" and "was told that his mother and sister were whores." With a leash tied to his chains, he was led around the room "and forced to perform a series of dog tricks,"

I paid for that, twice. Lucky lil' ballgargler.

124

If you want to see fucking torture. You should hear what the North Korean government does to their people when they disobey.

These next four years are going to suck. We are going to go back to the way that clinton handled muslim terrorists. Just give them a little slap on the hand. That will teach them a lesson. /sarc

I am going to miss President Bush, yes he pissed me off a lot, but at least he kept me safe.

125 This sounds like incompetence to me.

Is there any evidence that putting a bra on a man leads to information?

126

Is there any evidence that putting a bra on a man leads to information?

This had nothing to do with the interrogation.  Dude just has really big man-tits.

127

If the Congress wants a really good revew of Gitmo perhaps they should ask the family's of 9/11 to participate

Nah, they're too busy trying to force the erecting of meaningful memorials on privately owned land.

128 126: And THAT is your definition of torture?

Your whines are giving me a torturous headache.

129 Dude just has really big man-tits.

you mean Bob with the Bitch tits?

130 Oh, I guess 125 posted that dumb question.

131 120: Bambi is no slacker in the man-fit department. What a pansy.

132 But did they make him eat PORK RINDS?

133 Breaking News: In the spirit of previous anti-war protests which included demonstrations of waterboarding, this year's Folsom Street Fair will be turned into an anti-torture protest and include demonstrations of nudity, men wearing bras and thongs on their heads, and men being led around on a leash and forced to perform dog tricks.

Please spread the word on this, otherwise the organizers are afraid nobody will notice the difference.

134 The appelation "Stupid C*nt comes to mind for this nitwit.

135 If we are going to be this upset about discomfiting brigands who do not meet the standards of the Geneva Convention, then we are going to have to shoot them on sight or hang them for piracy, whatever works.

136 If you have to say "His treatment met the legal definition of torture", then that means it is not torture.

137 @125 This sounds like incompetence to me.

Is there any evidence that putting a bra on a man leads to information?<<<<<


They snapped his bra, man!

THEY. SNAPPED. HIS. BRA!!!!111!!!11!!

138

Thank you Sir, may I have another!!

I wonder if dip-shit can still do the tricks we taught him.

139 Yo momma so ugly, Stevie Wonder said "Hell NO!"

140
Is she referring to a legal definition of interrogation? Shouldn't she be honest and say that it is just her personal opinion that it is torture?

Ahhh, semantics and word-choice. So very useful in propaganda.

141 Excellent post Drew, thanks.

142

Your MOMMA is UGLY and STUPID!

143

>Standing naked in front of a female agent, was forced to wear a woman's bra and had a thong placed on his head during the course of his interrogation, was told that his mother and sister were whores, with a leash tied to his chains, he was led around the room  and forced to perform a series of dog tricks.

Some Saudi Princes have paid big money to be treated like this in Paris. I don't see the problem.

144 BO will just send prisoners to another ally country where torture is no concern at all. Countries that make water-boarding look like extra sprinkles on your double dip ice cream cone.

The bad part - we lose the ability to gather time urgent info.

But hey if a few thousand Americans get murdered, at least BO and the libtards can strut and preen about their moral superiority. Yay!

Once again, Dim politics will lead to dead Americans.

145 They need to string up the GITMO chumps by the balls and leave them hanging out to dry.

146

These next four years are going to suck.

Yeah! Me sucking Obama's cock. Mmm. Mmm. Sweet, just like terrorist cock. Mmm.

147

Both sides are talking past one another.  Yes there was torture.  Detainees in Iraq and Afghanistan were beaten to death.  Out of more than 100,000 detainees over the last eight years, there are about thirty deaths that are suspicious, probably some of them are in fact cases of going to far with interrogations.  Torture?  Yeah.  A major crisis, no.  Virtually all of those cases were DoD interrogations or in a few cases CIA officiers working with the DoD in the field.  Shit happens.  Mostly we ignore it because prosecuting it does not help. 

Does it shock my conscience?  Am I sad that al Qaeda scum died in custody?  No, not particularly.  But it was stupid to expand these interrogation techniques to the Department of Defense?  Yes.  Rumsfeld fucked it all up.  This shit led directly to Abu Ghraib and idiotic inbred sexual deviants who decided to photograph their shennanigans.  That was a propaganda failure of epic proportions that almost cost us Iraq.  It hurt Bush's presidency.  It was a major major fuck up.  It cost American lives by firing up the Iraqi insurgency. 

Now let's get to the issue at hand, waterboarding KSM and his ilk by the CIA.  Now I hope these interrogations were professionally done, although if you read Suskind it suggests even these were fucked up.  Again, it does not shock my conscience.  But we are apparently not waterboarding anyone anymore.  It is arguably a form of torture, although a relatively beign one as torture goes. 

So I would prefer getting away from this shit and getting back to old school interrogation, which involved slowly but surely breaking down high value targets we get like KSM with carrots and isolation.  It worked wonders with Saddam.  It would probably work on a KSM (who weakness is his ego).  And in the meantime, I want to get back with not taking al Qaeda captives for the most part.  Send them to allah express from the battlefield and avoid this whole detainee problem. 

148 108 Catch this b4 it's taken down

Hey sickinmass,  I so remember that bitch at 7:30 in the video.  If her fat ass is Fatah then step back while Hamas kills her.  Evil killing evil.  Then when they're done,  kill Hamas.  Those are some seriously demonic,  death cult mother fuckers.

God Bless Israel.

149

These are the same pollyannas that don't like lethal injection for a death sentence, because the "subject may feel a burning sensation for a few seconds" before the subject dies.  Like what was said above:  boo-freakin'-hoo

Libs ALWAYS forget the victims and the crimes

The guy was NOT tortured - he was merely made to be uncomfortable.  I guess you can't play street basketball with him either - he couldn't take the trash talk.

150 >Standing naked in front of a female agent, was forced to wear a woman's bra and had a thong placed on his head during the course of his interrogation, was told that his mother and sister were whores, with a leash tied to his chains, he was led around the room and forced to perform a series of dog tricks.

LOL, that's torture? Shit I PAID good money to have that done to me. I could have saved a fortune, all I need to do is get arrested and let the good times roll!!!

151 "So I would prefer getting away from this shit and getting back to old school interrogation, which involved slowly but surely breaking down high value targets we get like KSM with carrots and isolation. It worked wonders with Saddam. It would probably work on a KSM (who weakness is his ego). And in the meantime, I want to get back with not taking al Qaeda captives for the most part. Send them to allah express from the battlefield and avoid this whole detainee problem."

Cutting off a guys nut and making him eat it will usually get some results.

152 Well, at least he wasn't smeared with fake menstrual blood or draped with an Israeli flag.  Thank Allah for small mercies!

153

I have no problem with sleep deprivation or extremes of cold and hold (within reason).

But to force a human being (yes, an evil and vile human being) to wear a dog collar and leash and do dog tricks is just sick and unacceptable.

If that is true, then someone needs to be held responsible.

Fire away.

154   I went through worse during JV Hockey...If we don't have the will to do this, let's throw in the towel now. How soon will Barry just say "Fuck it, we give up". ..Seriously. Get the troops home. Cancel all foreign ops. Panetta is gonna gut the CIA much worse than he tried to do under Klinton. Pelosi is gonna chop the DOD budget. And no teh ghey in the services? So 1) No Intel. 2) No future weapons. 3) Super low morale and a mass exodus of competent soldiers and spooks. 4) An open admission to the world that we are pussies....No I'm not a troll. I am however disgusted. Tell me how this is gonna keep us safe...Hopefully Universal healthcare will cover Anthrax vaccine, and head re-attachment surgery. How are we gonna pay for this shit when all women are unable to leave their homes to work. Oh, that's right no education for women. Forgot that part. 

155 So, based on this standard, fraternity pledges all around America are being tortured every day?  And Bush, as well as Olympic athletes suffers from chronic bradychardia, since his heart beat is below 60?  And a man standing naked in front of a woman, and having his mommy insulted, is now torture? 

Gee.  I thought pulling fingernails, mutilations, and rape were torture.  Silly me.

156

I have no problem with sleep deprivation or extremes of cold and hold (within reason).

SteveMG  --  It is absolutely disgusting that you are okay with that.  You should be ashamed of yourself.  How do you sleep at night you vile little man?

157 You wanna see torture..Take a look at Aces' Liver Scan.

158 I say we bring  back this guy to deal with these motherfuckers. http://tinyurl.com/7fbp2

159 I think what we're seeing is moral equivalency in effect.  If blasting rock music all night while they're in a cell with no bed is the same as slowly skinning someone and rubbing salt in their open wounds, then we HAVE to go purely the legal system route on terrorism.  AKA The Bill Clinton method.

I think you nailed it.

160

Susan Crawford, who is the person appointed by the administration with charging Gitmo detainees, used the 'T' word.

Bush sure knows how to pick them, doesn't he?

Why do I get the feeling that he picked most of the people in his administration from a list provided by his friend Ted Kennedy?

Does Bush know any conservatives? This man cannot exit the WH soon enough for me. Then we can get back to blaming left-wing policy on the Democrats, which is the natural order of things.

 

161

>Standing naked in front of a female agent, was forced to wear a woman's bra and had a thong placed on his head during the course of his interrogation, was told that his mother and sister were whores, with a leash tied to his chains, he was led around the room and forced to perform a series of dog tricks.

A large part of the population of San Francisco has been tortured.

162

a man standing naked in front of a woman, and having his mommy insulted, is now torture? 

Eliot Spitzer paid good money for that.

163 YO MAMA'S ARMPITS SO HAIRY, SHE LOOK LIKE SHE GOT DON KING IN A HEADLOCK.  SHE SO UGLY, THEY FILMED "GORILLAS IN THE MIST" IN HER SHOWER

164 SHE SO FAT, AFTER SEX SHE SMOKES A HAM

165

I agree with you completely.  But what can you say?  Liberalism is definitely a mental disorder.  May God help us.  I fear we shall lose it all.

166

*YAWN*

167 Yo momma so fat, when she wears high heels, she strikes oil!

168 This woman needs to shit some teeth.

169 You mommas so fat....when she shakes her ass after a shower it looks like two pigs fighting over a milk dud!

170 We're supposed to cut the terrorists some SLACK!  These motherfuckers kill innocent people every fucking day, they cut off the heads of our soldiers when they capture them, and these "leaders" in our government are upset because hijacker #20 work a pair of panties on his head???  Where is the outrage when our people are mistreated???

Fucking government pussies don't needs to be around Navy CPO initiation (SELECTED AND INITIATED in 1994!)...

171

If you want to make friends with Arabs say this: 

Koss um mack.

These helpful phrases are useful too, pretty much all the time. 

Elif air ab dinikh

Elif air ab tizak

Waj ab zibik

Ebn el metnakah

This is a good one to say to a guy who has sisters or his mother with him: 

Bi kem el sharmoota di?

Try them.  I think you will like them. 

 

172 Joe, if these sayings fuck up my Slurpee(tm), I'm blaming you!

173   Maybe we should have U.N. "peacekeepers" ass-rape these tangos first.

174 171: Or you can use Klingon, right? I always thought Arabs sound like Klingons with a bad nasal condition.

175 interrogating him with techniques that included sustained isolation, sleep deprivation, nudity and prolonged exposure to cold

Except for the nudity, she just described my last job--and I've never tried to kill anyone.  Am I supposed to feel sorry for this guy?

176

"Did someone say, "pear of anguish"?" - don't get too charged up, Excitable Andi.  The thing goes in your mouth, not in your ass. 

Oh, wait . . .

177

If you want to stop this holy war, start feeding the dead terrorist to Pigs, maybe even a live one now and then. Broadcast on this television to the middle east, I guarantee the recruitment of terrorists will come to a screaming halt when they realize that they will not be getting 70 Virgins, but burning in hell instead. There millions are of feral pigs in the U.S. that need to be eliminated or put some kind of use, I say feed the terrorist to the pigs.

178 We are going to define "lawful interrogation" right out of existence.

179

SteveMG  --  It is absolutely disgusting that you are okay with that.  You should be ashamed of yourself.  How do you sleep at night you vile little man?

I sleeep very well thank you.

Sleep deprivation or cold temperature environments (closely monitored to prevent injury) of AQ terrorists are acceptable methods to extract information about imminent attacks.

That treatment on non-terrorists or those who follow GC rules are not acceptable.

Ah, I'll sleep good tonight.

 

180 Just let the ACLU get this and they,ll sue in his behalf knowing what a bunch of dirty no good bunch of socialists scum the ACLU is

181 If it prevents another 9-11 or WORSE, I don't care if they're taking them apart with a chainsaw. Now, that might upset some dinner party elitists with European friends who cluck their tongues. Of course the Europeans don't have to tell their people what happens to their prisoners, they have a neatly controlled government press.

182

Hell, we should have sawed their heads off.  Now that would be proportionate.

And I still ask:  What numbnut(s) decided terrorists not wearing uniforms or country identity captured on the field of battle (trying to kill our military) were deserving of Geneva Convention protections and a cushy existence (halal meals, etc) in Gitmo?  That's torturing me to this day.

183

Her expertise is what?  She's a lawyer.

I say we emulate the way FDR handled the Nazi saboteurs.  Harsh interrogation followed by execution.  It took a week, if I recall correctly.   Not a lot of legal or political gamesmanship was involved.  We won that war, which is probably not entirely coincidental.

 

184 Ace, you cross dressing faggot. Grab your socks for O'Sambo.

185 What kind of dog tricks?  I can't even get my terrorist to fetch.

186 I see the AoSH has the right, as in proper, perspective on this, but it's apparent that too many in the U.S. don't think we have a serious enough problem with terrorists yet. We obviously didn't experience enough carnage on 9/11 and events prior.

If only more people were murdered, more families directly effected, and more politicians, particularly of the Liberal flavor, incinerated on that day, then we might have gotten some rational response.

It's going to take a dirty bomb or worse in a high population center, and probably several over an extended time, for America to collectively wake the hell up to defend itself and stop this navel-gazing, self-flagellation.

187 you're an idiot.

188 that was to shaitan.

189

We are fighting an enemy that doesn't play by the Marquis of Queensbury Rules, and can't find Geneva on a map.

They understand our way of thinking better than we ourselves. They don't hesitate to use children as suicide bombers or human shields.  They've got good occupational experience at torture, mutilation, and gratuitous executions. Feeling sorry for these shit bags is tantamount to weeping over a little humiliation meted out to former Nazis.  Whomever makes the decision to release any of them to pick up where they left off; planting IEDsthat kill American troops, targeting the West, and slaughtering innocent civilians, has a crap factory for a brain. (Read: B. Hussein Obama). He wants to 'negotiate without preconditions'. The Islamofasicts and the rest of the world's malefactors are salivating for a 'change they can believe in'.

If connecting a terrorists' testicles to a 12 volt battery will save American lives, I've two things to say: The RED is POSITIVE. The BLACK is NEGATIVE.

I won't lose one fucking minute's sleep, either.

190 Yo mama's like a radio station - easily picked up, especially at night.

191

Uh oh! Looks like those of us who believe Ms. Crawford is a bit mistaken are also war criminals. Don't just take my word for it. So says John Cusack over on Newsbusters.org

I think he's an actor or something. Anyone know where we can contact this guy?

 

192

A large part of the population of In San Francisco has been tortured. they call that foreplay. There. Fixed.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at January 14, 2009 01:27 PM (ujg0T)

193 @191: Yeah, by happy coincidence, I know where Cusack's office is.

194 Hey, Curmudgen says: Standing naked in front of a female agent, was forced to wear a woman's bra and had a thong placed on his head during the course of his interrogation, was told that his mother and sister were whores, with a leash tied to his chains, he was led around the room and forced to perform a series of dog tricks.

"A large part of the population of San Francisco has been tortured."

I'd just like to say "outstanding observation" there. You betcha! Naked in front of a female interrogator? Make the interrogator Sarah Palin and they'd all shut up...and come to attention.

195 Wah. I could give less than a fuck about this guy. I could almost give less than a fuck about whatever Democrat-voting urban area the next batch of Islamics blows up. If we have to lose three million people as the object lesson that will cause the other three hundred million to recognize the fact we are at war with expansionist Islam and have been for hundreds of years, I'll make that trade. I live way the hell out in the country and and risked my ass enough for ten years.

196 Yo mama's so fat, when she wears black she looks like outer space!

197

If we have to lose three million people as the object lesson that will cause the other three hundred million to recognize the fact we are at war with expansionist Islam

 

Perhaps they will crash planes into the Trans-America Building in SF.

198 That guy's mom is a whore. Wait... am I now guilty of War Unpleasantries?

Shit.

199 Vic, I would trade San Francisco to keep NYC. Not that I care too much about a lot of Manhattan libs, but if the museums in NYC get nuked out of existence that would break my heart and I'd want to return the favor by turning the Kabaa in Mecca into a Hooters.

200 "Forty-eight of 54 consecutive days of 18-to-20-hour interrogations. Standing naked in front of a female agent. Subject to strip searches. And insults to his mother and sister."

That sounds kind of harsh, but just a little cut and paste gives us:
Subject to strip searches. 18-to-20-hour interrogations. Standing naked in front of a female agent. Forty-eight of 54 consecutive days.

Add a Las Vegas or Mid-Town telephone number and uptight executives would balance the debt for that kind of custody.

201

My friends, I wish I could've worn a bra and panties on my head, instead of being tied up in ropes and hanged from my elbows for 12 hours at a time.

Hell, I'd have even settled for my mother being called a whore.

202

153 Well, at least he wasn't smeared with fake menstrual blood or draped with an Israeli flag

What an awful thing to do!

To the Israeli flag, that is. I wonder if their version of the flag code has a perscription for when a flag has been irrevocably soiled in such a fashion.

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