1 That thumping your hearing is from all of Afghanistan going under the bus.

2 I said it the day we went into Afghanistan...it is not a real country as we understand the word and it never will be.

We are going to have thousands of troops there for years and the best we can likely hope for is that whenever we find terrorist scumbags, individually or in groups, we blow them up.

3 We agree, DrewM. It's a frankly nigh-impossible war to neatly conclude.

But PS, Bush fucked up..

4 Is this just another "unwelcome distraction" for the messiah?

5 DrewM,

It'll never be a country as we understand the term, I agree. But if we can address (somehow) the flow of insurgents back and forth across the Pakistani frontier, we can stabilize the area pretty well. But that's the real trick. The Russians faced the same problem of Pakistan being a sanctuary. And any insurgency that has a sanctuary is bound to last a long time. How to do that, I don't know. We'll see.

6 No more childish neener-neener sniping and baiting from the MSM.

The Post is leaving the Viagra-related neeners to the commentariat they recently primed for them.

Like I said then, that story of theirs was a sure (but subtle) signal of their soon turning their coverage of Afghanistan negative. And lo.

7

Bush has been saying that for seven fucking years.

Yes, well, everyone knows that Bush is stupid and evil and only wants to make money for Halliburton.  We couldn't trust him like we can an unknown, untried junior senator from a corruption filled state whose primary accomplishments are voting present in the state legislature and raising money for his campaign.

8

Totally Off-Topic- but, ya gotta read this.

Government Incompetence in High-Def.

Funny and insightful look at the DTV conversion.

Example: "the government has once again made the Three Stooges look like the U.S. Marine Corps Silent Drill Team"

LOLZ

9 My amateur opinion is that Afghanistan will not be pacified in the sense of being a single, coherent nation.  It will be inchoate barring a massive infusion of troops or the arrival of a large black monolith that causes them to evolve into a modern civilization.  However, we can tolerate the existence of semi autonomous areas as long as they don't increase in size or align themselves with external powers. 

Or, at least deploying additional troops to Afgaahneeeestan will keep 0bama from deploying troops to Darfur/Congo. 

10 What you said, DrewM.  I think we should get an apartment. 

11 Name the new bunket buster "Dialog", and the daisy cutter "Diplomacy". Then, Obama can tell the Euroweenies that we're going to start using dialog and diplomacy with both the Taliban and the Iranians.

12 "…arrival of a large black monolith…"

Are you saying the Rev. Al Sharpton needs to move to Afghanistan?

13

Guess what?  I'll defer to David Petraeus and his brain trust and not the WaPo.

That includes pizza orders, movie picks and counterinsurgency strategy.

14 I propose that we divide Afghanistan into 3 partitions.  The Pastuans, The Taliban and The Mohawks.  Once that is done we offer each 5 billion dollars with no strings attached.  Whata ya guys think?

15 The left has been using the alternative Afghanistan strategy of "massive invasion," just like the Soviets did (how'd that go anyway?) as an illusory correct option.  Bless Bush that he never saw fit to defend the successful, small force, high tech, rely on the locals path he choose. 

Iraq was never a distraction because those extra troops would be an impediment, not a bonus.  See the soviet invasion.

16 It'll never be a country as we understand the term, I agree. But if we can address (somehow) the flow of insurgents back and forth across the Pakistani frontier, we can stabilize the area pretty well. But that's the real trick. The Russians faced the same problem of Pakistan being a sanctuary. And any insurgency that has a sanctuary is bound to last a long time. How to do that, I don't know. We'll see.

Carpet bomb along the border with dirty bombs?

17 Acey old sod, you buried the lede a bit on this story. 

Think about this:  The Commander in Chief (presumptive) just told 60,000+ troops that he is committing them to battle, ordering them to risk life and limb, and yet he already knows that they cannot possibly win this battle, and that at best they can buys some time for some late-night study sessions in the White House!

Am I the only one who thinks that this is the day the first shot was fired in the coming war between the Obama administration and the military?  How insane is this statement?  Can you imagine how Bush would be excoriated - and rightly so - if he said that.  You simply CANNOT commit a multi-division force to intense combat and TELL THEM at the outset that you don't think they can win!

I say pre-impeach the fucker now for treason.

18

I'd have loved to have been a fly on the wall inside The Vapid One's first national security briefing to watch the sweat break out on his forehead while he's listening to very serious people explain very seriously some very serious plans our enemies have to seriously hurt us.

Maybe, just maybe, he had an uncontrolled bowel movement along with the cold chill up his spine when he realized that we actually have real enemies.

19 Ace, that was a serious post.  Good stuff.

20 I find it a pre-failure that Obama's been president elect for nearly two months now and he still hasn't found Bin Laden.

all the snark of the past 8 years is going to come home to roost.

21 So Obama endorsed Bush's plan for Afghanistan. Funny, Biden just endorsed Bush's plan for Iraq.

http://tinyurl.com/a6uwbf

22 #17 This is precisely why in my fantasy world, not a single person reenlists or volunteers for the military in the Era of the Unicorn. If the left hates the military so much, let them enjoy a world free from out military for a few years. And don't help Obastard spill blood for the sake of looking tough. I would sooner trust a den of vipers than our new "C-in-C" with the military.

23

Holdfast at January 13, 2009 02:48 PM (Gzb30)

My same thoughts in addition to how ridiculous that statement is in light of the left's years of analyzing Vietnam.

24 Give all the Jihadis unlimited free high speed internet and introduce them to internet porn.  They won't have time to be assholes anymore.

25 Honestly. That bubble was unprecedented in American history. Every economist said, at the time, it was a historical anomaly that would not last long. And it didn't.>>>

Similarly all during the real estate bubble, people were predicting the impending collapse thereof, but it didn't stop them from buying more and more expensive houses.  These bitches predicted rain for 7 years and now feel vindicated.

Think of what Bush has tried to do,
Open up drilling in 2001 to prevent gas supplies from causing price spikes.  That was killed, so we get $4gal gas 6 years later.
He tried to reform Fannie Mae, etc.  and then we get the collapse of last year.
Oh what else, he tried to reform Social Security.  Hmm, he was stopped on that one too, when will that bomb go off?

26 haha, how long before the left trots out Teddy Roosevelt's quote about the critics and what not.

27

Die Joe Biden .  I mean die Joe Biden sockpuppet.

28

It's only now the media suggests he was telling the truth. Just as he walks out the door.

Agreed. But we knew how this shit was gonna evolve many months ago. Like they've been saying lately over at PW: The future is known. It's the past that keeps changing.

Soft bigotry of low expectations and all that, but I'm kinda pumped that the pussy (pbuh) is currently contemplating something other than loading up every last US assett and bringing them to the house, in effect abandoning the whole middle east to Iranian, Russian, and Chinese meddling and influence.

The best we may be able to hope for is an unstated agreement with these types of govts such as Afghanistan and Pakistan seem to field, that  any training of militias anywhere on their territory will be considered to be fair game for anything from predator drone attacks up to cruise missle attacks. They can either control what goes on within their borders in terms of terrorist training and organizing or they can expect their airspace to be violated on a continuous basis. And asprin factories are not off the target list if the president happens to have perjured himself under oath recently.  

29 #24 Where the hell will they get goat porn in Afghanistan? Maybe the UN needs to grant funds to Kabul in order to jump-start the shovel-ready cloven hoof pornography industry in that benighted nation.

30 Any WAR can be WON if you keep the State Depatrment OUT of it!

31

29 #24 Where the hell will they get goat porn in Afghanistan?

Oh, silly! It's really not that difficult to find! Come check out my library...

32 Tells Us that US "Will Never Have Enough Troops" to Eliminate Taliban

That's what fragmenting submunitions are for.

or:
A MOAB IS FINE TOO

33 George,

If re-enlistment drops considerably, I expect the Donks to cheer, since they now have a new "Peace Dividend" that they can drool over and shift to their various non-military policies.

And if the recruitment levels get too low, they'll just have "Cholly" Rangel re-introduce his legislation to re-institute the draft.

34 The additional troops aren't there to win a war, but, it seems, to provide breathing room for a "comprehensive new strategy."

I can't disagree with this principle, and if they are smart about it, they'll shift the efforts in Afghanistan like they did in Iraq to better deal with the troubles there.

Look, the battlefield changes, and you adapt to it, that's just smart. It doesn't mean what you did before was wrong, just not sufficient to the task now. And maybe it was wrong, but if you fix it, that's not a problem. People make mistakes and change their approach, if they're wise.

I just don't trust the Obama administration to do it right.

35

If they don't nuke us today, they'll nuke us tomorrow.  They have the determination to eradicate us from the planet, determination that we lack.  They may have won; we may just have not realized it yet.  If we do get serious about eliminating them, it will likely be after we have paid a horrendous homage to our sense of propriety.

36
Every economist said, at the time, it was a historical anomaly that would not last long.

Um, not necessarily, ah, there, little goyl. The talking heads and their guests on CNBC and the Democrats were touting it as the "New Economy." Clinton loved it because it implied that he, Rubin, and Reich had created this "new" economy and it was going to take the U.S. into the 21st century.

37 And now for something completely ridiculous:

Treasury Department Can Help Fight Global Warming, Says Paulson

Am I the only one who thinks this motherfucker should hang from a lamppost?

38 #33 In a fit of pique, I say I would be thrilled if Rangel brought back the draft for the legions of young'uns to serve Lord Obastard's Stormtroopers of Change. Let the demographic that voted for this spoogebucket get what they asked for. Even the brain-damaged twentysomethings that sigh like readers of Tiger Beat over Barry will not like being forced to live in barracks, dig carbon-sinks (ditches), and eat government cheese.

I did qualify my wish as "in my fantasy," since I know people will still volunteer, and lots of very shitty things would come to pass if the military were seriously defanged and sheathed. But sometimes you just want fools to get their wishes granted. Unfortunately fools can visit their decisions upon the rest of us.

39 So it seems that Afghanistan is the New Vietnam, only we have Johnson succeeding Nixon this time.

That should work out great.

40 And now for something completely ridiculous:

Treasury Department Can Help Fight Global Warming, Says Paulson

Am I the only one who thinks this motherfucker should hang from a lamppost?

Can we bring back drawing and quartering?

41 I remember why I quit paying attention to the media after the election.  I was all psyched about following the news since it was the first election I ever had truly paid attention to before.  But once it was over, I suddenly realized how absolutely disgusted I had become with the entire process, and especially with the media.

So here I am, two months later, checking in.  And it's still as disgusting as when I left.  God damn it, I am sick of this bullshit.  And I am sick of this lack of leadership on the part of Republicans.  Before this election, I'd been considering a job in fields that are now being cut due to Democrat control.

Wonderful.  I'm fed up with the entire process, and I'm not even 25 yet.

42 Can we bring back drawing and quartering?

Posted by: George Orwell at January 13, 2009 03:19 PM (6uMRO)

For Paulson, we should seriously consider it. He's either criminally incompetent or a goddamn traitor.

43 For Paulson, we should seriously consider it. He's either criminally incompetent or a goddamn traitor.

Give the man credit... he's both.

44 As Ace notes, its how they surround a story that matters

45

You simply CANNOT commit a multi-division force to intense combat and TELL THEM at the outset that you don't think they can win!

Whoa!  If you're a Democrat, that's the only way you do it!  If you go in with the military empowered to win, that's disproportionate!!  I can see the new CiC is gonna have to do a lot of culling of the upper ranks to re-establish the kind of leadership Murtha gave in Somalia!

/s cocksucker thy name is Murtha.

46

Does anyone expect the MSM to insist that Obama match that eighteen months of overheated and unsustainable expansion to be deemed a success?

Is this a trick question?

47 @17.  Those were my thoughts exactly!  If he doesn't think it will help, THEN WHY THE FRICK IS HE SENDING TROOPS??!!!!!!  This may overtake the "Winnie the Pooh seems to me to be a fundamental text on National Security." statement as the dumbest thing said in the history of politics.

48 You simply CANNOT commit a multi-division force to intense combat and TELL THEM at the outset that you don't think they can win!>>

Uh, Obama tells one room one thing and one room another thing.  It doesn't matter.  There is no plan and really no idea what to do.  Words to democrats don't mean anything.

49 "He had to specifically match the eighteen-month unsustainable bubble economy Clinton enjoyed for a very brief time at the the tail end of his expansion. Failing to do so would make him a miserable failure."

You aren't kidding or exaggerating, either.  At a certain non-political message board I recently abandoned (once the BDS got too impenetrable) I had the, er, pleasure, of observing the comments of an anonymous Michigan journalist (low level, I presume -- just a typical Joe Reporter type) on matters political over the last six years or so.  The relentless intellectual dishonesty of this guy was breath-taking.  Name any anti-GOP/conservative cliche you can imagine, and this cocksucker would swear by it.  Consider any doublestandard that would benefit Democrats or hurt Republicans, and this asshole would champion it, including the specific thing you're citing above.  Reagan was a failure who deserved no credit for the Cold War victory.  Clinton was an economic genius.  Bush is a miserable failure.  Obama is a genius.  Without fail.  In six years I never observed one hint of nuance or clear-headed thinking on this guy's part.

50

Totally Off-Topic- but, ya gotta read this.

Government Incompetence in High-Def.

Funny and insightful look at the DTV conversion.

Example: "the government has once again made the Three Stooges look like the U.S. Marine Corps Silent Drill Team"

LOLZ

Actually, the writer got it totally and completely wrong.  The current problem stems from the fact that more people applied for vouchers than the government had anticipated.  Right now, all the money allocated has been committed.  Not spent; committed.  Therein lies the rub.  There are approximately 100,000 names on the waiting list for a voucher.  Vouchers are good for 90 days.  Until one of two things happens, people on the waiting list are stuck.  First, previously-issued vouchers can expire.  When that happens, the money allocated to them is released to be re-allocated in  new vouchers.  People on the waiting list then get one.  Second, Congress can allocate more money.  Vouchers can be sent out immediately in that case.  If this happens, there could (and likely would) end up being an excess of money in the program as vouchers went unredeemed.  That would sound great on the surface, except that there is no such thing as money given back to the Treasury.

The reason for possibly delaying the date is to allow more vouchers to expire and then get the people on the waiting list a voucher.  This is an issue primarily because the voucher system was designed poorly.  For instance, the vouchers MUST be used at the time of purchase.  Rather than designing it as a rebate system where a person could get the box, then get the $40 refunded, the voucher can only be redeemed at the time of sale.  If I shell out money today, I don't get it back.  If I wait for my voucher, I could miss the conversion date and lose all television signals.

While I'm not saying that the govenrment didn't screw this one up, I am saying that the author of the piece missed the point completely.

51

Can anyone seriously be surprised at anything the press does anymore?  Even Fox toward the end when they saw their boy going down switched over into the full Obama ass-kissing mode and have been there ever since. There is no free press anymore. We have a liberal propaganda machine now.

 

But, don’t you dare question their journalistic integrity.

52 Name any anti-GOP/conservative cliche you can imagine, and this cocksucker would swear by it.  Consider any doublestandard that would benefit Democrats or hurt Republicans, and this asshole would champion it, including the specific thing you're citing above.  Reagan was a failure who deserved no credit for the Cold War victory.  Clinton was an economic genius.  Bush is a miserable failure.  Obama is a genius.  Without fail.  In six years I never observed one hint of nuance or clear-headed thinking on this guy's part.

You were on a message board with Paul Krugman?

53 Even Fox toward the end when they saw their boy going down switched over into the full Obama ass-kissing mode and have been there ever since.

Hey, wait a second, maybe Obama is really that great.  Has anyone considered that?   I mean, come on, he ran a job bank before becoming Senator.  He taught kids to be pissed off.  Maybe we should just realize that we are insane?

54 "You were on a message board with Paul Krugman?"

Krugman would have been criticized by this guy for being too right wing.

55 "Hey, wait a second, maybe Obama is really that great."

Look, I really hope that we're all wrong.  I'd love to share the convictions of my imbecile Obamabot roommate that we really are heading into an era of glorious unity and prosperity.  He is convinced that four years from now unemployment will be at historic lows, and the economy will be booming.  No wars, no domestic strife, nothing but rainbows.  I'm not kidding, he believes this, serenely.  And it will all happen because Barack Obama is everything he claims to be.

56 And it will all happen because Barack Obama is everything he claims to be

The only claim he made that I remember is that he doesn't look like the other presidents on the dollar bill. 

And the seas will stop rising.  So, I take it that he will destroy the moon.

Other than that, noone really has any clue.

57 Krugman would have been criticized by this guy for being too right wing.

The little j-school shit-stain probably holds up Krugman, and the rest of the NYT, as an idol to be emulated. He already knows what opinions he has to hold if he wants to be known as a cool person, and get ahead in his chosen profession. To do otherwise is to risk career suicide.

58
I'd love to share the convictions of my imbecile Obamabot roommate that we really are heading into an era of glorious unity and prosperity.  He is convinced that four years from now unemployment will be at historic lows, and the economy will be booming.  No wars, no domestic strife, nothing but rainbows.  I'm not kidding, he believes this, serenely.  And it will all happen because Barack Obama is everything he claims to be.

You ought to buy a bunch of Skittles and scatter them around your house/apartment when he's asleep. When he wakes up, say, "oh look, the unicorns have been here."

59 "The little j-school shit-stain"

He was anonymous but revealed certain details about his background.  He was an adult with three children in Michigan, so youth was no excuse.  He also stringently denied there was any liberal bias in the media, of course.  I once asked him to post some of the stories he wrote, but he refused, presumably because he didn't want anyone to use the stories to determine who he was, although that was of no interest to me.  I just found it fascinating how much he was willing to anonymously reveal about his own biases (which also included being reflexively anti-religion, anti-military and anti-Israel!  Surprise!) without even realizing it.

One time, as proof that he personally had no liberal bias, he claimed that Oliver North, a man he despised (of course!) once sent him a thank you note after an interview.  I assume that North was probably just being polite.

60 yeah, well one lunatic I know was pissed that banks were forced to give loans to people that couldn't pay them.  Somehow, BHO's involvement in this practice never penetrated his skull.
Nor could he relate to why making it easier for people to foreclose on their homes lead to more foreclosures.

61 There's a shitstorm going on in New Orleans on the Mediterranean (Gaza City) with two corrupt and brutal gangs killing each other and stealing whatever isn't nailed down. Ask any "expert" in the DemSM and it can all be fixed with some Magic Envoy.

Things look much better in comparison in Iraq and Afghanistan, yet the "experts" say "it's hopeless, run awaaaayyyy"

"The bilious bastards who came up with that stuff about individuality know as much about battle as they do about fornicating." - Gen. George S Patton

62 Nor could he relate to why making it easier for people to foreclose on their homes lead to more foreclosures.

Heh! That cluelessness reminds of the newspaper headline I occasionally see; "Crime Rate Drops Despite Increase In Prison Population."

63 I just found it fascinating how much he was willing to anonymously reveal about his own biases (which also included being reflexively anti-religion, anti-military and anti-Israel!  Surprise!) without even realizing it.

He'll grow up to be a good member of the liberal hive. It's the Christian religious kooks who are mindless robots, though. Idiot. I'll bet he doesn't even know he's a cartoon character.

64 great post Ace.  couple things though.  1st, as was kinda mentioned earlier, i recall the talking heads running around calling it a new paradigm, that the old rules were out the window, especially in regards to the stock market.  It was their way of explaining the dot-com bubble.  only a very few said stuff like "irrational exuberance".  2nd, it wasnt exactly unprecedented in American history.  Look at the late 20's.  The late 20's paralleled the late 90's.  non-existent inflation, housing boom, productivity boom, loose monetary policy/credit boom, market growth that far exceeds what would be expected based upon gdp growth (3% avg).  The market in the 20's increased 4-fold in 5 years; in the 90's, it tripled in 4.  Its a theory I have been working on, but if the govt had done alot of stupid stuff like it did back then, Bush would have been handed a gargantuan economic downturn due to the excessive stimulus of the 90's. Anyone remember him talking about a major impending economic problem during the 2000 race?  I do.  Monetary policy delayed it a bit, and started to create a 2nd bubble to prop the economy up, but 9/11 was well-timed and almost tanked things.  The housing bubble, the tax cuts Bush urged, and the deficit spending had recovered things and stalled the crash until now.

As for Afghanistan, I think that is why we went into Iraq in the first place.  Afghanistan is a logistical nightmare.  It was bad for the Brits, really bad for the Ruskies, and horrific for us.  We never put a large force in there because we couldnt supply it.  And the supplies would be exceptionally vunerable; the enemy has been ramping up its targeting of our supply lines through Pakistan.  (A few allies of ours have relations with Iran, and can use them as a supply route, but all we have is a tenuous-at-best route through the mountain passes of Pakistan).  Iraq is far easier because of friendlier neighbors and sea-access.  It is also mostly flat and not as backwards a country.  By going into Iraq, it wasnt us that was distracted by it but the enemy.  We chose a far easier battlefield for us and forced them to fight on it.  It drained their resources from Afghanistan and elsewhere.  That left Afghanistan an easier mission for coalition forces.  (I say coalition b/c they have a larger footprint and better logistics in afghanistan).  Things have started to sour in Afghanistan b/c the enemy has largely given up in iraq and shifted operations elsewhere.  So when the Dems lose Afghanistan, hopefully the american populace will have sufficient memory and intelligence to actually blame them and vote out these incoming incompetent pinko-fascists. 

65

Come on Ace, draft?

Where did you think all those jobs were?

Civilian military, little jackboots, red books at home?

 

 

 

66 Need to experiment a little... good place, a dead thread, to do it in...

big

67 color

68 cross out

69 shit, none of the html commands that work everywhere else work here except bold and italic...

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