I came to my decision to remain child-free.

THANK YOU!!!!

I just want to see what this woman looks like.  Call it a purely unscientific, unstatistical guess that this woman resembles Helen Thomas crossed with Sanda Bernhard.

-- My understanding of reproduction is that it is the basis of the institutions of marriage and family, and those two provide the moorings to the structure of gender and sexual oppression.

You're doing it wrong.

-

Family is the social institution that ensures unpaid reproductive and domestic labour

I'll start paying my wife, then she can pay me for rent, gas, electricity, food, cell phone, health care, cable tv, rental car, clothes, internet....

My suspicion is that no one will fuck her.  This thread needs a photo.

My suspicion is that no one will fuck her.  This thread needs a photo.

See my comments at #17 above.

Ah, I love it when crazy people try to change human nature. Keeps them from accomplishing anything.

and that makes families as economic units selfishly pursue their own interests and become especially prone to consumerism.

"Darlene you ignorant slut...."

-Chevy Chase

...but how entirely appropriate, in light of the Chris Muir Day by Day panel of the past weekend.

I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: "Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown
And wrinkled lip and sneer of cold command
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed.
And on the pedestal these words appear:
'My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings:
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!'
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
The lone and level sands stretch far away."

 because my perception is distorted by unconscious confirmation bias.  And my penis.

but mostly, your penis.

And she claims to like kids? She doesn't know any, if she thinks gender isn't innate.

Um, please, no.

That bitch is prooof positive that you really can see any situation any way you want to. Any warped, twisted, surreal, imaginary, made-up way. Reality never intrudes into the emotional fantasies of people like her. I sincerely hope she never reproduces and convinces as many of her friends to do likewise. Too bad her mother didn't believe in abortion.

So...if I read this correctly only the Sarah Palins of the world would be reproducing.

I think they need to rethink the strategy.

My suspicion is that no one will fuck her.  This thread needs a photo.

Not possible. Since the beginning  of time, every woman has been fuckable to some or all men.  As the crooked DEA man in the professional said.  EVERYONE!

Finally! An unbelieving Western trollop finally gets it. Tie your tubes, accursèd, painted whore, so that Allah (PBUH) will rule the world.

So it makes sense to say that if the world has to change, reproduction has to go. Of course there is an ecological responsibility to reduce the human population, or even end it.  

I sincerely hope that this idea catches on in liberal circles.

I conclude that I came to a resolve not to reproduce through largely unconscious emotional reactions

Whatever your reasoning, the entire human race can breath a sign of relief over your conclusion. It saves us the trouble of sterilizing you.

I encourage anyone who thinks like this dimwit to get fixed. It seems selfish to breed (thus poising society's already diminished gene pool.)

I admonish this particular leftard never to breed. The faster her genes are extinct, the better off society will be.

Since the beginning  of time, every woman has been fuckable to some or all men. 

Or at least to public blowjobs, mate. Just look out for the coppers roughing you up in the arrest.

Idiocracy, here we come!

If she chooses not to breed, someone else has not. Quite a legacy she'll leave by abdicating her reproductive responsibilities.

Of course there is an ecological responsibility to reduce the human population, or even end it.  

I bet she is in favor of "free" gubament health care.

Because reproduction is seen as a psychological need, even a biological impulse, that would supposedly override any rational concerns arising out of a sense of responsibility, ecological or otherwise, I would like to propose emotional conditioning to counter such a need or impulse to reproduce.

You would think that at some point it would dawn on even these stupid people that they are fascists. Yeah, let's set up a Dept of Emotional Conditioning to help people feel the "correct" emotions.

So...if some guy gets a girl pregnant and decides to reduce the human population by killing her he's exercising ecological responsibility?

Why bother her pregnant - just screw her and kill her - that's one of the logical conclusions.

Since the beginning  of time, every woman has been fuckable to some or all men. 

True.  Just look at all of the pathetic liberal beta males who are desperate to cash in their virginity cards for 2 minutes of cold, mechanical, unsatisfying sex.  A week later they tell their parents that they are gay.

OK, I may be confused because this wades into science, which is at the deep end of the pool for me, but isn't it genetically coded within species to reproduce in order to keep the species going? I buy that some outliers in a species don't have the code that makes them have this urge, but by and large every biologically based species, from the flu germ to big old awful humans have the urge to reproduce.

Now, humans have evolved to live to do more than reproduce, I'll give you that. But, I think that the drive to keep our species going will, in the end, fight to overcome the morons who are now trying to end the human race.

I know a lot of women who have chosen not to have kids. Never have I heard such a load of selfish, narcissistic, holier-than-thou crap from any of them. In each case the women I know decided that having a child wasn't for them, not as a political statement but as a personal one. And never have any of them condemned me or anyone I know for choosing to have children.

I am thankful this bitch won't be reproducing, and if she can convince a bunch of likeminded souls to join her that would be awesome.

My understanding of reproduction is that it is the basis of the institutions of marriage and family, and those two provide the moorings to the structure of gender and sexual oppression.

There can be no such thing as equality within human relationships with these people. Every relationship must possess an oppressor and an opressed. I grieve for these people that they'll never know the joy and satisfaction of having a truly 50/50 relationship. Hell yeah, I'm loathe to load and unload the dishwasher, but on the other hand she's never mowed even one blade of grass. It's still 50/50 or close enough that we're both happy.

Gender as a male/female dichotomy is a social construct more than anything else

Yes, and I'll bet she also believes that sexual preference is biologically or genetically predetermined. What an idiot.

"If I want to change it, then it's a social construct. If I don't want to change it, it's genetic."

"And, you're racist. I just know it."

So, that bullshit about maternal instincts being a societal construct are just plain silliness.

Maternal instincts pre-date all societies.

Great post Ace.

I can comment because I am a woman.  I needed to have children, it was a very strong drive. It is the best thing I ever did...other than my husband.

This person has dogs or cats, and it dumb enough not to see the connection.

64-Too true.

I forgot or repressed that.

"Of course there is an ecological responsibility to reduce the human population, or even end it."

Tha's one twisted chick.

The unmarried, childless bachelor and spinster are staples of leisure fiction ...and not because they are fictional, but rather because they are common in real life.

...but it takes a special kind of lackwit to maintain that intellectual purity demands public heed to the call of childlessness as a soverign requirement for moral superiority.

She quite gets to join their ranks though.

What an abysmal, dishonest, trivial intellect she reveals.

It cracks me up that these 'progressive" chicks are so into ignoring traditional roles,  desires,  lifestyles and then spend so much time thinking about them.  Trying so very hard,  and in some cases making it a career,  to somehow justify to the world why and how they've made their choices.

Somehow I think they feel deep down inside that they actually haven't made their choices.  Life made things the way they are and they're just trying very hard to cope with that.

Kind of like the atheists who spend all their time talking about their atheism and how God can't exist.  Separate symptoms of the same disease possibly?

It cracks me up that these 'progressive" chicks are so into ignoring traditional roles,  desires,  lifestyles and then spend so much time thinking about them.  Trying so very hard,  and in some cases making it a career,  to somehow justify to the world why and how they've made their choices.

If everything is a choice, unmoored from tradition, morality and biology, then you have to justify every act.

Thank God I don't have to pretend to control everything. I have a role to play, given to me by biology, tradition and morality. There is no guessing who I am because I know.

"I'd rather have two girls at 21 each than one girl at 42." - W.C. Fields

When I was 21 that would have sounded good. Now that I'm closer to 42, I think it's ass backwords.

Couple of points.

Raised a mohammedean?  Guess her clit has been cut off, so she's not into sex.

If not, sounds like just another me, me, me, selfish bitch who at 21 knows it all, but at 40, will regret it all as an old spinster with no family.

Sweetheart loneliness is not much fun, nor is dying alone. 

When you grow up, and figure our how important family is, it will be too late. 

You'll be getting what you want, a depressing lonely life.

You'll be that bitter bitch at the library, complaining about noise, kids, holidays, etc.  

I would bet that in the US, people that AoS readers would label 'leftards' already have a severely negative rate of population growth.  Unfortunately, both their grip on the public education system, and non-leftard parents' lack of education (OK, let's be honest-lack of indoctrination) of their kids in conservative values keeps the number of child-converts to leftardation high.  It defies nature, but for all their professed love of nature and Gaia, leftards do a good job defying her.

I guess we won't see a real change to this until the social security and pension fund systems collapse and they find they no longer have anyone to care for them in their dotage.  So, maybe this condition won't last too much longer.

I've no problem with anybody's choices.  I have a big problem with people trying to force their choices on others.  Except for Mrs D, who decided we were going to have three.  I made an excellent decision when I deferred to her, and I didn't like kids at all when I was growing up.  Mine, however, are a joy.

while I'm sympathetic about the issue in some respects I can't get over the fact that someone who is going to die alone and has had no hand in creating our next generation wastes his life attempting to shape a future he'll haven nothing to do with

In the sense that we'll all be dead in the future it's something none of us will have anything to do with. Attempting to shape the future is everyones right, even this nutcase at Feministing.

We've dissected the right to choose to have children or not have them.  How about the economics of this certifiable person's theory?  Ace?  Gabe?  Somebody smart?

I'm still waiting to hear which one of you morons is going to have Ace's babies.

I was having a duel to the death with Ace once and he told me "I am your father". Thanks, Mom.

Well, I hope this chick is willing to look after herself when she's 85.  And I mean totally take care of herself.  Take her own meds.  Prescribe her own meds.  Manufacture her own meds.  Work the fields.  Drive the trucks.  Etc. Etc.  'Cause if there are no children to grow up and do these things, then old age is gunna really suck.

Of course, she'd probably call for mass euthenasia somewhere along the line just to avoid that fate....

153 Ewoks can't spawn by seeding their hand.

That's a damn lie.  If it wasn't Ace would have 100's of little Ewoks, we know he has only had 30, this year.  It's early.

VOTE!!

Kemp

if women were not conditioned into gender-appropriate behaviour that renders their bones and muscles week from disuse

There are people living in the deepest jungle worshipping old Coke bottles who have a better grasp of modern science than this silly twat. And they say the right is anti-science ...

From an economics point of view, her idea would work for a very (very) short term ala less competition for resources, although that does not necessarily mean lower prices.  For the long term it's a supply side disaster in terms of service items and a stable economic base, plus you are limiting potential advancement through lack of supply side.

Biologically/ecologically again, short term it might even look good due to less competition for resources, but then long term it would be a disaster -- biodiversity being a big issue, even from a Gaia first standpoint.  Gaia wouldn't be doing so swell if there was no thought to the future (aka. succeeding generations).  And again, limiting evolutionary advancement through supply side shortage.

A good look at China would be in order as to how limiting reproduction from the outside has worked.  I'll admit to not being intelligent, but it seems to me this sort of thing has been tried before and history is always a good teacher I think.

The feminist movement has really gone round the bend.  I believe women should get equal pay for equal work; I think they should be given every opportunity to expand their horizons.  I believe they should empower themselves as in not standing for abuse and being confident in their gender (which means acknowledging just what exactly you are and accentuating the benefits of it and coming to terms with the restrictions).  Now, however, having a family and/or children, or even wanting the same brands a woman as a traitoress and a ideological leper as far as the feminist movement goes -- example: Sarah Palin is a strong, aggressive woman who has gone places with her life; she also has kids, unapologetically so, and has a man in her life, unapologetically so.  This is the sort of woman feminists should be looking up to, but we saw how that went (I blame Margaret Sanger and her fellow travellers personally).  I won't even go into how this plays out within the relationship(s) between the two sexes -- other than to note it has made a total soup sandwich of the thing.  That could fill a book; same with the entire pet thing -- other than to remark I daily see more misunderstood, misappreciated, and ultimately neurotic critters thanks in total to their owners wanting something from them that they cannot give, a bit unfair imho.

The very frightening thing is, that , given the proper conditions (like a sympathetic society and government) this crazy twit's manifesto could get turned into law, or at least be socially sanctioned (which it has to a good deal already).

I have non-maternal instincts, and I don't feel guilty about it, either.  I like the fact that I have that choice. 

This statement is perplexing:

"...I felt pangs of guilt over how for this 'impulse' of mine, someone else would have to put their body on the line."

Like whose?

Though she is attempting a historectomy (like much of the left) and needs a hysteriectomy (again like much of the left)… she has yet to acknowledge a need for a hypocritectomy (again like much of the left) since she has not taken it to the next step and scheduled a hysterectomy…

Do they have issues or what? No wonder they are for universal health coverage!

I checked out her blog as I believe one should know thine enemy.  At the bottom of the page is an entry about what pro-lifers do not get about pro-choicers.  Point A is: "that motherhood is NOT natural to women, anymore than slavery was considered be natural to blacks".  Here's the link if you want a look inside the mind of someone who takes herself way too seriously: http://notesofafreethinker.blogspot.com/

I would like to propose emotional conditioning to counter such a need or impulse to reproduce.

Wait, is this a "modest" proposal, Jonathan Swift style? As in "We have a responsibility to reduce the human population, so let's eat the babies."

Wait, is this a "modest" proposal, Jonathan Swift style? As in "We have a responsibility to reduce the human population, so let's eat the babies."

Nope, that wouldn't work as many of these moonbats are vegans. 

 If I were in the blogger's position, I would be angry and bitter against marriage and "patriarchy," too. 

Except that, if your assumption is correct, marriage and the "patriarchy" are not her legitimate targets. Islam is. 

But I don't see her writing demented screeds against Islam.

On a side note, the type of people who believe in the "patriarchy "are the same sort who believe in the Illuminati or that the world is ruled by a cabal of Jews.

her nationality (she is Pakistani

How nice. What's she doing in America? Or Canda.

I don't see her writing demented screeds against Islam

She does mention that her "prudish family" would disapprove of a movie she watched.

 motherhood is NOT natural to women

Somebody remind me why the West is aggressively seeking to populate itself with people possessing the intelligence of a head of cabbage and the temperament of an angry killer bee.

her nationality (she is Pakistani

How nice. What's she doing in America? Or Canda.

Why, wailing against the patriarchy, of course. She's not wailing against the patriarchy in Pakistan, though.Wailing against the patriarchy in Booosh's Amerikka is more courageous.

Feminists aren't woman enough to raise kids.

Good choice for them to not have any. They can't handle it.

The *only* reason you're a female is to bear offspring.

Better to say that the role of every living thing is to reproduce itself. It's not restricted to females.

"No, it must be the case she is making the Best Possible Decision for all people, for all women."

She seems to think she's Kant. If so, I'd suggest a remedial course in spelling.

Except that, if your assumption is correct, marriage and the "patriarchy" are not her legitimate targets. Islam is. 

But I don't see her writing demented screeds against Islam.

Posted by: flenser at January 12, 2009 04:18 PM (hz80G)

I'm not saying she's right to generalize that all marriage/motherhood is horrible to women, or that she is able to recognize differences in degrees of "oppression" (e.g. a woman in the US choosing to give up a career to raise a family is exercising freedom, but a woman in Pakistan who is beaten to death in an "honor" killing for the crime of being raped is oppressed in one of the most horrid fashions). 

I'm just saying that the culture in which she was born and raised might explain why she thinks this way, not that she is able to recognize this is the reason.  

it's a reason, not a justification for her beliefs.

Despite the bravado, feminists are sniveling weaklings who don't know how to suck it up and do for others what needs to be done.

Everything is about them - their wants, their insecurities, and resentments.

They want to be thanked endlessly for the simple act of loving and caring for someone.

if women were not conditioned into gender-appropriate behaviour that renders their bones and muscles week from disuse

There are people living in the deepest jungle worshipping old Coke bottles who have a better grasp of modern science than this silly twat. And they say the right is anti-science ...

Somehow in the late 60s / early 70s this became the conventional wisdom of a sizeable percentage of shitheads in wacademia (although they usually knew how to spell "weak").  How do I know this?  Because my wife used to spout this tripe.  Instinctively I knew she was full of shit but I wasn't an authority like the fucking dipsticks that peddled it.  Fortunately we had a female neighbor who was an anatomy grad student to whom one day I addressed the situation.  She was like "Are you kidding me..."  End of problem.

.....Everything is about them - their wants, their insecurities, and resentments.

Posted by: Warden at January 12, 2009 05:51 PM (QoR4a)

And what does widdoo warden want? A pat on the head? Doesn't widdoo warden get enough wuv? 

That's right, warden. It's all about them. You don't count.

Don't forget that.

In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful,

Allah creates you inside the bodies of your mothers, in stages, one after another, in THREE VEILS OF DARKNESS " (39:6)

The Grand Design of Allah cannot be altered.  Those who ignore Genesis 1:28 shall reap what they sow.  (Sura 2:29)

One of the truly ironic things is that my grandmother and great grandmother, who did all manner of "gender specific" work, could probably kick nearly all of these feminists' asses and quite a few modern men's too.  Takes a lot of physical strength to cook, clean, and care for kids, grandkids, great grandkids, and the farm critters, especially without modern conveniences.  And damn, they were pretty well educated too for their day and age -- it was known as reading books back then; they taught themselves stuff (what a concept).

And they were hardly "oppressed" or "subjugated" by their men either (that's even laughable to think about).

These are the same women who are all about "choice"... unless the "choice" is to some woman to have a baby that they personally wouldn't want.  (see:  blind, illogical hatred of Sarah Palin).

I don't have kids.  I don't want kids.  I've never wanted kids.  I've spent my entire adult life answering busy-bodies who want to know "why?  why?  WHY?  How is that possible?  Are you a freak?  Can you not have kids?  Do you hate kids?"

For some reason people (women especially) can't seem to grasp the idea that the decisions they've made for their lives aren't necessarily the best decisions for others.  They only feel validated if EVERY PERSON ON THE PLANET agrees with them.

On a lighter note... Barack Obama is on the cover of Ms. Magazine... He's wearing a t-shirt that says "This is what a feminist looks like".  Hmmm, I think it should say "This is what an asshat looks like".  But maybe that's just me.

http://www.msmagazine.com/ 

I cast my vote in favor of the feminist movement/Roe Effect as well.

The aye's have it!

Chief of blessings for any nations is that it shall leave its seed to inherit the land. It was the crown of blessings in Biblical times and it is the crown of blessings now. The greatest of all curses in is the curse of sterility, and the severest of all condemnations should be that visited upon willful sterility. The first essential in any civilization is that the man and women shall be father and mother of healthy children, so that the race shall increase and not decrease. If that is not so, if through no fault of the society there is failure to increase, it is a great misfortune. If the failure is due to the deliberate and wilful fault, then it is not merely a misfortune, it is one of those crimes of ease and self-indulgence, of shrinking from pain and effort and risk, which in the long run Nature punishes more heavily than any other. If we of the great republics, if we, the free people who claim to have emancipated ourselves form the thraldom of wrong and error, bring down on our heads the curse that comes upon the willfully barren, then it will be an idle waste of breath to prattle of our achievements, to boast of all that we have done. No refinement of life, no delicacy of taste, no material progress, no sordid heaping up riches, no sensuous development of art and literature, can in any way compensate for the loss of the great fundamental virtues; and of these great fundamental virtues the greatest is the race's power to perpetuate the race.

"This, I submit, is puerile and simply fucking weird. This is childish."

You are too kind, Ace. What it is is totalitarian. She wants normal, happy well-adjusted people to buy into her self-loathing, and the only way to do that is to force them to.

It's the animating force behind the next four to eight years in America.

Liberals are determined to always think not merely well of themselves, but to think the absolute best of themselves.

Thank you for this line.  I'm sick of dealing with smug liberals ranting against our use of oil and claiming because one day they will do something good for the environment that they have free reign to drive their 4WDs in the city when they could have taken public transport.  But no one else is allowed to.  Smug gits.

The author claims that reproduction is the basis of (opressive) institutions such as marriage and family - they left out an important institution: humanity

If only the author's mother came to such a conclusion before giving birth - the author would only be a thought.

It seems that those who think it is "wrong" to bare children due to some perspective of societal woes are actually the product of a much more simple societal woe, themslves: selfishness and narcissism

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these ...folks have no grasp of the concept doing something out of love, do they?

sad."

Of late I've been doing a lot of unpaid domestic labour helping my recently disabled father cope around the house and garden. If I'd have known this constituted being oppressed by the patriarchy I wouldn't have bothered.

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