President (still!) George Bush Defends "Harsh" Interrogation Techniques

“The techniques…were necessary and are necessary to be used on a rare occasion to get information to protect the American people,” Bush said during an expansive exit interview that aired on Fox Sunday.
Citing an interrogation with Al Qaeda strategist Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, which included simulated drowning, otherwise known as “waterboarding,” the outgoing president said, “We believe the information we gained helped save lives on American soil.”

Roughing up scumbags (with sincere apologies to bags of scum, everywhere), kept more of this from happening.

Have we forgotten this horror?

I haven't.

The dirty little secret about hand-wringing over interrogation, and waterboarding, and Gitmo, and all the other things the left and their accomplices in the goddamn media have screamed about up until today, that have passed since that horrible day, is that we, by and large, we Americans, don't care what you have to do to these monsters to prevent this from happening again. To forestall another Beslan in Kentucky, or Indiana.

We. Don't. Care.

Fuck them. If they had to yank some fingernails to keep your children safe, which by the goddamn way they've NEVER done...

yank em.

Nail bombs, AK-47s and guided airplane missiles are unhealthy for flowers and other living things.

Posted by: Dave In Texas at 05:15 PM

Comments

1 "...to be used on a rare occasion..."

This is probably why Dems think that every brown-skin we stop and question is having toothpicks shoved under his fingernails and electrodes clipped to his genitals - the word "rare".

The only time Dems use the word is when describing abortions.

Posted by: Drumwaster at January 11, 2009 05:16 PM (Ymor3)

2 I'm thinking the only people that make a big fuss about water boarding are either a) fierce partisans b) pompous academia c) the media. Other than that I don't think people really care.

And a) is related to c).

Posted by: ohplease at January 11, 2009 05:17 PM (2EvwB)

3 I don't need to add anything to this. Dave spoke for me. Very fluently, I might add.

Posted by: katya at January 11, 2009 05:17 PM (oRJZj)

4 Is it "black is positive, red is negative" or the other way around?

Posted by: Official Gummint Torturer @ Abu Grabass at January 11, 2009 05:19 PM (Ymor3)

5 Drumwaster,

Interesting point. Maybe there should start a new motto "Harsh interrogations techniques should be rare but legal."

Posted by: ohplease at January 11, 2009 05:19 PM (2EvwB)

6 And what about late-term interrogations for underage terrorists?

Posted by: Drumwaster at January 11, 2009 05:21 PM (Ymor3)

7 Where was all of this 2 or 3 years ago?

Posted by: Vic at January 11, 2009 05:21 PM (f6os6)

8 Drumwaster,

Only if there is parental consent!!!

Posted by: ohplease at January 11, 2009 05:22 PM (2EvwB)

9 Whatever issues I ultimately have with George W. Bush, roughing up the scumbags is not among them, and the handwringing of narcissistic liberals over such things has been and continues to be repulsive to behold.

Worried about Guantanimo? Fuck you.

Fretting about "torture"? Fuck you.

Appalled by Abu Ghraib? Fuck you.

Tossing and turning at night over the possibility of rendition? Fuck you.

Horrified over the "demonization" of Islam? Fuck you, you delusional moron.

Posted by: Kensington at January 11, 2009 05:23 PM (fhJCy)

Posted by: pe_lex at January 11, 2009 05:27 PM (W51I0)

11 Of course we should torture terrorists, even if it doesn't work (though it obviously DOES).

It's a matter of simple justice.

Do it for kicks.

Do it for The Children!

Just Do It!

Posted by: Code Pink at January 11, 2009 05:28 PM (iafWn)

12 I can't believe he's stupid enough to even TALK to the press. hanzie

Posted by: hanzie at January 11, 2009 05:33 PM (a+Gqb)

13 I think that we all realize that it isn't the interrogation techniques or even the war on terror that the lefties object too. What they object to, is that a president with an "R" after his name is in the White House. Had a dem been in office and followed the exact same procedures and policies as Bush, he would be talked about as an American hero by the MSM and the left. It is impossible to ever convince anyone that holds onto the deep seated and misplace hatred and bigotry that the left is so proud to trumpet, of the common sense that waterboarding and Guantanamo make. They have held out hope for 8 years that we would be pounded into an embarrassing defeat.

Posted by: pe_lex at January 11, 2009 05:38 PM (W51I0)

14 Whats a little water-boarding among friends?

Posted by: Wolverine at January 11, 2009 05:42 PM (D9uVp)

My two cents. President Bush defends this because he's a good man and a decent human being who takes his job seriously. He's done a fine job as far as I'm concerned and I'm sure we can bitch all day about what he's done wrong but the bottom line is he has protected this country.

I would love for President Bush to give a big FUCK YOU to the media when he leaves but he won't because he has class. God Bless him and his family.

Posted by: ErikW at January 11, 2009 05:42 PM (hKtiw)

16 Is it "black is positive, red is negative" or the other way around?

Since the human body is acting as a resistor in this scenario (no polarity issues to speak of), I really don't think it matters much.

Just don't forget to break out the water pistol to wet down the miscreant's balls first.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 11, 2009 05:46 PM (MKNSy)

17 all about the "R"

Posted by: Wolverine at January 11, 2009 05:49 PM (D9uVp)

I hate to see what we have become. I can not express how much I hate the Democratic party for what they are doing to this country.

If I am in a position to capture some terrorist in order to protect my family, and he has some vital information, he better give it up fast because I will cut him up into little pieces if he does not. Then I will start in on his family.

Posted by: Harry at January 11, 2009 05:50 PM (1PrID)

19 If it takes a little juice applied to the 'nads of a terrorist to get him to give it up, so be it. He shouldn't have become a terrorist POS.

Posted by: Steve L. at January 11, 2009 05:56 PM (kft6v)

20 The Bush hatred from the leftist scum and their concern over torture is because Bush was successful in his job. Under ordinary circumstances one would thank someone for helping them but this would imply gratitude, a mild form of temporary subservience. No way for them. Thanks in their circle is only for a free lunch. Obama will ride on the back of Bush's success and some day take credit for it. The media will say, "see we told you it could be done without torture", conveniently forgetting how the enemy was so severely disabled by GW , Obama could ride for free for a long time. Someday too the One will resort to similar techniques when he thinks his ass is on the line. I don't like him, but I don't think he is so stupid as to not want to win, no matter how.

Posted by: mytralman at January 11, 2009 05:57 PM (26p91)

21 But "The One" and his Chicago thugs will be having "hearings" very very soon. Bleeping scumbags!

Posted by: MAJPATSHAM at January 11, 2009 05:58 PM (Y67gn)

22 We are back to the two paradigms again.

Liberals believe people are basically good and if you remove obstacles from their life they will act rightly. Thus torture or punishment are always bad and permissiveness and mercy are always good. They believe that evil is a simplistic word that ignores the nuances of behavior. That is unless you are talking about Cheney.

Conservatives, well most, believe that each of us have the ability to do great evil or good. That the human will effects greatly what kind of men/women we become. That reward and punishment have worked on civil behavior since the dawn of man. So, while we cringe at the thought of water boarding, we look to the truth of it. The prisoner could tell the truth and avoid said unpleasantness or prisoner wants to do worse to our loved ones the minute he is released.

So now the liberals want to hurt Bush to prove to the terrorists, who desperately want to be good, that we are a peaceful nation. Conservatives want to find the terrorists to explain to them that the carrot has been eaten and all we have left is the stick.

Posted by: Locus Ceruleus at January 11, 2009 05:58 PM (e2mBS)

23 But Obama's always been pro-torture. He supports allowing interrogators to slap people, doesn't he? Unless, of course, you think beating someone isn't torture.

Posted by: JohnJ at January 11, 2009 05:58 PM (7ElmP)

24 Kensington and pe_lex have it right.

Posted by: thebronze at January 11, 2009 05:59 PM (cwNXc)

25 For me, the most glaring omission from all of the talk about waterboading is a date. When did the process originate? We're supposed to all act like Cheney personally invented waterboarding at 8:45 pm 9/12, and the CIA never so much as purple-nurpled anyone in any previous administrations. I know that if that were actually the case, I'd have heard that specified, frequently.

Posted by: Dave M at January 11, 2009 06:00 PM (9qyzf)

26 Would it be torture if we forced them to sniff unicorn farts?

Posted by: touchy feely libtard at January 11, 2009 06:00 PM (U4DDN)

27 Is it "black is positive, red is negative" or the other way around?

Do it your way, the electricity flows from the left testicle to the right one.

Do it the other way, it flows from the right one to the left one.

Like it matters.

Posted by: David in San Diego at January 11, 2009 06:02 PM (GF+6V)

I'm with everyone else here. The way I see it, terrorists basically resigned from the human race when they decided to become terrorists. Anything whatsoever our President wants to do to them to save American lives is fine with me. Electrodes to genitals, hot bamboo slivers under the fingernails, waterboarding, if it works and gets us information, use it. I couldn't care less.

It will be fun indeed if the One decides keeping his voters alive is more important than satisfying the demands of a bunch of crybabies. Maybe he will close Gitmo, but I hope he has the smarts to outsource the terrorists to India or Israel or some other ally we can rely one, and not just let them out into the streets.

Posted by: BattleofthePyramids at January 11, 2009 06:04 PM (eE4X2)

29 26 Would it be torture if we forced them to sniff unicorn farts?

Correct.

It's inhumane that the government is forcing them to eat their peas at Gitmo.

Posted by: Your Friends @ The ACLU at January 11, 2009 06:04 PM (iafWn)

30 Just so you realize what this is about.

K

Posted by: Kestrel♠ at January 11, 2009 06:05 PM (10kar)

#22,

An absolute failing of the liberal mindset is that they do not understand human nature. You would think that they would notice how they themselves do not measure up to their own idealistic fantasies. Just an example. Liberals wanted the hate laws passed. This is supposed to usher in the Age of the Unicorn I suppose. Yet when I think of hateful people, it is always the liberals that come to mind. In the case of every liberal that I know, they are always dispicable creatures. They make a disaster of their lives, their families, even their neighborhoods. I would love to ship them off to an island in the Pacific, or even better a distant palnet.

Posted by: Harry at January 11, 2009 06:09 PM (1PrID)

32 Hey MSM, ask one of your own Daniel Pearl what he thinks about our "harsh" interrogation techniques! Oh wait, you can't you cant' because those barbarian ragheads chopped his fucking head off!! Gee, what's worse?

Posted by: CDR M at January 11, 2009 06:15 PM (TJoU6)

Don't tell me you have never been shipped off to a distant palnet. The worse thing that can happen.

In second place, being shipped off to a distant planet.

Posted by: Harry at January 11, 2009 06:16 PM (1PrID)

34 hell.. more US troops have been waterboarded than Gitmo detainees..

(for training and SEER or SERE school.. however that is spelled.)

Posted by: Dave C at January 11, 2009 06:16 PM (bU9ij)

Re-34

It's more rediculous even than that. Prisoners may not be put in stress positions. You know, the same positions that the average DI uses on recruits 15 times a day.

Posted by: kidney at January 11, 2009 06:18 PM (paaP3)

36 By any and all measures, I say. The muzzies don't place any value on human life, especially nonislamic human life, so anything should be fair game to get the information needed. The scumbag "goes to paradise" during interrogation? Ooopsie, - next!

Posted by: THeREsaD at January 11, 2009 06:19 PM (MO2LE)

37 The other thing is the faux outrage from certain members of Congress who were in the know beforehand..

Posted by: Dave C at January 11, 2009 06:19 PM (bU9ij)

Obama's been criticizing and moaning about how the war on terror's been handled so far.

Come Jan 20, they're gonna hand him a folder full of screaming nightmare and say "Here's what's going on. Good luck with all that, suckah!"

He'll be singing a different tune then, I'll bet. If he's not... he's even more incompetent than I thought.

Posted by: jana at January 11, 2009 06:19 PM (vSRlG)

39 Power is pretty nice once you are in control..

not going to change a damn thing.

Posted by: Obama at January 11, 2009 06:21 PM (bU9ij)

If they had to yank some fingernails to keep your children safe, which by the goddamn way they've NEVER done...

Okay, but we must change the laws that proscribe such actions.

The President swears to uphold the Constitution and the laws of the land. And rightly or not those laws prohibit the torture of human beings. It just isn't allowed. Period.

Do I like this? No. Do I agree? No.

Is waterboarding torture? To be blunt, I have no idea. If we allow our own personnel to undergo it, it can't be that painful and harmful which, for me, is what torture is. Reasonable people can differ.

In any event, we must change the laws if for no other reason than to protect those who must use the tactics. I think it's shameful to think that the brave men and women (okay, I guess is was just males) who interrogated these terrorists have the possible threat of prosecution hanging over them. Bush needs to pardon these men if no one else.

Posted by: ericH at January 11, 2009 06:23 PM (OgV6c)

41 Wanna have a laugh? Despite Obama's bleating about rejecting these techniques, the Dems won't legislate against them and we'll find out -- lo and behold! -- Obama's administration still does it.

The excuses...oh, the excuses.

BTW, did anybody else catch the "greater good" comment on Steffy's show and make the connection to the last Harry Potter novel? Rowling was channeling some Orwell and "The Greater Good" was the ironic slogan of the baddie before Voldemort.

The nasty stuff was all done in the name of "The Greater Good". I suggest holding onto that video until the relevant movie comes out.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 11, 2009 06:23 PM (T0NGe)

42 It's truly sad that Bush hasn't seen the light regarding the torture of poor Muslim dissidents.

However, the good news is that Jack Bauer on 24 has. Humane treatment of terrorists guarantees that this will be the best season of 24 evah!

Posted by: rinseandspit at January 11, 2009 06:24 PM (oEAm5)

43 I echo the outrage expressed above. The liberal left deserves what is coming their way as a consequence of their BDS. I just hate the fact that the consequences will also fall on a lot of decent people who don't see the world their way, people who knew that Bush was right all along. Damn it.

Posted by: turfmann at January 11, 2009 06:28 PM (yStT3)

44 "more US troops have been waterboarded than Gitmo detainees.."

Hell, more imbecilic NYU students have been waterboarded in Union Square (by each other, no less) than Gitmo detainees.

They think they're putting on a horror show, but it cracks me up every time I see it. If they put out a tip jar I'd even throw in a buck.

Posted by: Kensington at January 11, 2009 06:29 PM (fhJCy)

Every time I have posed the old "The nuke is planted and the terrorist knows where it is" scenario to a liberal (and to tell the truth I haven't even bothered in several years), I get the same response... then it is okay because it is an emergency, and the interrogator should break the law.

This is what I call the "lib-child" mindset. When the grownups try to prevent this from ever happening, the lib-child won't support them. When they try to convince him that there is grave danger, the lib-child won't believe them. When they ask for the protection of the law in order to protect him, the lib-child calls them despicable names.

But when the shit hits the fan, the lib-child wants only to find out who to blame, and (this is key) it is never himself, or his (in)actions ! Grownups and "rough men" were supposed to take care of him, but never by doing something he might feel bad about... unless it turns out afterward that they should have!

The lib-child is a worthless POS and a burden on society, and almost certainly a Democrat. I don't even bother trying to talk to them anymore - they are playing-acting that they are grownups, but they have no stomach for it. I just wish they could go play their game it on a planet of their very own, where only people like them would get killed by it.

Posted by: sherlock at January 11, 2009 06:30 PM (N7uu0)

46 "The President swears to uphold the Constitution and the laws of the land. And rightly or not those laws prohibit the torture of human beings. It just isn't allowed. Period."

Fine. That's good, and it should be illegal, but what's really needed are prosecutors wise enough to use their discretion and look the other way because it is sometimes necessary. It's an impossible position to be in, but, then again, the Constitution isn't a suicide pact.

Posted by: Kensington at January 11, 2009 06:34 PM (fhJCy)

47 "The liberal left deserves what is coming their way as a consequence of their BDS. I just hate the fact that the consequences will also fall on a lot of decent people who don't see the world their way, people who knew that Bush was right all along."

I've been thinking more and more lately that it might be wise to move out of New York now that the weenies are taking the reins in Washington. One 9/11 was more than enough for me.

Posted by: Kensington at January 11, 2009 06:36 PM (fhJCy)

48 This is why I hate liberals. They have forgotten what happened on that day in September of 2001. Or they just didn't give a fuck.

Posted by: Ginger at January 11, 2009 06:41 PM (nsb+C)

49 Too nice of a day to yank fingernails.

Went for a ride with the dog. He likes to stand on my leg with 3/4 of his body out the window, wind blowing his ears straight back, and a Beggin' Strip in his mouth.

Nothing more delish than letting the entire world know that you have a Beggin' Strip and they do not.

Posted by: A Plover In Every Pot! at January 11, 2009 06:46 PM (R9nd6)

50 I guess I wouldn't mind the "harsh interrogation techniques" if they actually produced some results like capturing one Mr. Bin Laden.
Oh, wait I forgot, they kept us safe in a second 9/11 didn't happen on their watch. Bravo!
http://democralypsenow.blogspot.com/

Posted by: wickedlittledoll at January 11, 2009 06:48 PM (nueED)

51 SERE school was a blast. Well, except the captivity phase anyway!

Posted by: CDR M at January 11, 2009 06:56 PM (TJoU6)

52 Liberals have a blind mindset of evolution. Doesn't matter what happened yesterday, let's just progress towards an ideal existence which is happening soon! Right? Right?

Posted by: ErikW at January 11, 2009 07:00 PM (hKtiw)

53 What kills me is that immediately after 9/11 - I live in NYC - I said to all my pinko friends that it was time to immediately end the pussyfication of the CIA that Carter started and start playing like men. F&%K this bullshit about not having human rights violators on the payroll if they serve our purposes, F&%K treating terrorism as a criminal/legal matter like spineless Clinton and F&%K the idea that they have any rights at all. They all agreed in a moment of clarity and seriousness, the latter being rare for lefties, but it didn't take all that long before they reverted to standard left-wing pussy mode.

Posted by: Steven P at January 11, 2009 07:01 PM (J/oUC)

54 Hopefully you scumbags will be tortured some day.

Posted by: Killer at January 11, 2009 07:06 PM (wQSiP)

55 they kept us safe in a second 9/11 didn't happen on their watch.

no small thing that

Posted by: toby928 at January 11, 2009 07:07 PM (PD1tk)

56 Hopefully you scumbags will be tortured some day. Posted by: Killer

No Beggin' Strip for you! And the car window stays up.

Posted by: A Plover In Every Pot! at January 11, 2009 07:10 PM (R9nd6)

57 Hopefully you scumbags will be tortured some day.

Terrorists shouldn't be subjected to harsh interogation, but we should be tortured; liberal logic at its finest.

Posted by: toby928 at January 11, 2009 07:11 PM (PD1tk)

58 Killer, I'd stick a terrorists balls in a vice, if it would save a single AMERICAN life.

even yours.

Posted by: Unclefacts at January 11, 2009 07:12 PM (M+Vfm)

59 Brings this memorable movie dialogue to mind:

District Attorney Rothko: You're lucky I'm not indicting you for assault with intent to commit murder.
Harry Callahan: What?
District Attorney Rothko: Where the hell does it say that you've got a right to kick down doors, torture suspects, deny medical attention and legal counsel? Where have you been? Does Escobedo ring a bell? Miranda? I mean, you must have heard of the Fourth Amendment. What I'm saying is that man had rights.
Harry Callahan: Well, I'm all broken up over that man's rights!

Damned straight, Harry.

I could give a flying fuck whether we offend the terrorists' delicate muslim sensibilities by taking pictures of prisoners with panties on their heads or **shudder** flushing a Koran down the shitter (although that didn't really happen - fine reportage there, Howie).

The terrorists are trained to use allegations of torture as a weapon against us. Thanks for enabling it to work, MSM and bedwetters.

Posted by: Andy at January 11, 2009 07:13 PM (B+HYX)

60 Off-topic (well somewhat), but is the "24" premiere being aired tonight the same one aired a few months ago? At least I seem to recall it being aired, but many brain cells have died from alcohol poisoning since then.

Posted by: heh at January 11, 2009 07:14 PM (1XErj)

61 Re: Killer.

I feel like one of the chimpanzee kids in Planet of the Apes.

Mommy, Mommy! Can I play with the dumb human?

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 11, 2009 07:14 PM (MKNSy)

62 There's an easy way to draw the line between torture and not-torture.

Anything your own military volunteers to undergo regularly can't be torture - by definition.

0500 wakeups? Not torture. PT? Not torture. Nasty Sergeants? Not torture. MRE's? Not torture. Shaming, noise, privation? Not torture. Blood samples, delousing, relocation-at-whim? Not torture.

Removing body parts? Torture. Stabs, electrocution, anything permanently physically debilitating? Torture.

Waterboarding actually still ends up in the middle, because -some- troops volunteer for it. I'm willing to just call it torture-but-justified myself.

But the biggest farce in here is all the hand-wringing over 'where do we draw the line?' And here's a pretty sane definition (IMNSFHO.)

Posted by: Al at January 11, 2009 07:14 PM (CyBUS)

63 Is it "black is positive, red is negative" or the other way around?

In the Obama administration, both "black" and "red" are considered good, positive things. (Except when referring to ink and states, respectively.)

Posted by: lmg at January 11, 2009 07:16 PM (A/vgC)

64 is the "24" premiere being aired tonight the same one aired a few months ago?

No. That was a prequel to tonight.

Posted by: Andy at January 11, 2009 07:16 PM (B+HYX)

65 "Killer, I'd stick a terrorists balls in a vice, if it would save a single AMERICAN life.

even yours."

Really, I'm disappointed you were not in the second tower, you piece of right-wing shit.

Posted by: Killer at January 11, 2009 07:17 PM (wQSiP)

66 Kensington re: #9 I'm thinking your kind of honest evaluation would be appropriate for the job of being our delegate to the UN. If it can't be John Bolton than your expressive nature is perfect. You would be kept busy telling the UN how rational people deal with terrorists.

FU UN!

Posted by: mare at January 11, 2009 07:17 PM (X1fsj)

67
Uh oh. Somebody! Hand me a rolled up newspaper quick!

Bad boy! Bad bad bad, boy!

Posted by: A Plover In Every Pot! at January 11, 2009 07:18 PM (R9nd6)

68 54 Hopefully you scumbags will be tortured some day.
Posted by: Killer at January 11, 2009 07:06 PM (wQSiP)

Oh, OK, I get it: torturing terrorists out to kill thousands or even millions of innocent Americans makes you wet your bed and your dick to go limp, but torturing your fellow Americans that happen to have brains enough to defend this country... well, that would be a pleasant prospect for you?

Hypocrite.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 11, 2009 07:19 PM (iafWn)

69 Check out the size of the cyber balls on the killer pussy

Posted by: toby928 at January 11, 2009 07:20 PM (PD1tk)

70 Sherlock-

You are absolutely correct about the perpetual adolescence of the left. Their child-like minds can't seem to comprehend that muslims want to kill ALL of us, from Michael Moore to Michael Savage.

And for all of the libs screeching about what sophisticated "citizens of the world" they are, they haven't seemed to noticed that the religion of peace is soaking the globe with the blood of innocents, no matter their home country.

The terrorists are extremely lucky I'm not the president. I would peel the skin off a thousand scum bag child murdering goat rapers to save the life of one American.

Even if that American was Michael Moore.

Posted by: nightwitch at January 11, 2009 07:21 PM (NXY/0)

71 Even if that American was Michael Moore.

Lets not go overboard now, I'd have to think about that one.

Posted by: toby928 at January 11, 2009 07:22 PM (PD1tk)

72 Unlike you killer, I haven't forgotten what was done to us on 9/11.

And, unlike you, I'd do whatever it takes to prevent another.

Posted by: Unclefacts at January 11, 2009 07:22 PM (M+Vfm)

73 EricH, the Constitution is silent on the matter of foreign nationals captured on the battlefield. We can grind them up into Soylent Green for all the Constitution has to say on the subject. The relevant law in this case are the assorted Geneva Conventions. However, even with the waterboarding, we're treating them better than the Conventions require. The best they could expect under the GC is a field trial followed by a bullet in the back of the head.

Posted by: Tommy Paine IX at January 11, 2009 07:23 PM (LNNk0)

74 Of COURSE I'm a Citizen of The World! I Have a Passport! I've travelled to the Middle East and Screwed a Goat!! I deserve to be listened to, I do, I do, I do, Waah! Waah! Waah!!!

Posted by: Killer at January 11, 2009 07:23 PM (iafWn)

75 Have we forgotten this horror?

Yes. Or, more precisely, it's not a horror. It's a tragedy, much like an earthquake or a tornado. I've had numerous conversations with friends from the Left who really, truly believe that 9/11 was some kind of lightning bolt out of the blue and that there was, apparently, no human agency behind it. When I point out that this treats the terrorists as less than human, as it posits they were not and could not be responsible for their own actions, I'm generally stared at numbly.

Posted by: alexthechick at January 11, 2009 07:23 PM (xUOXi)

76 Damn it, Killer left a steamer right in the middle of the carpet!

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 11, 2009 07:24 PM (iafWn)

77 I agree with you, Dave.

Posted by: Alana at January 11, 2009 07:25 PM (JE2zV)

78 Lets not go overboard now, I'd have to think about that one.

I know. I debated even calling him an American, since tools like him seem to be so offended by it.

Of course now that Jesus 2.0 is about to ascend to the big boy chair, I think it's cool for rectum jesters like him to love the USA again.

Posted by: nightwitch at January 11, 2009 07:26 PM (NXY/0)

79
What would Killer, the leftard Goat Fucker, do to stop Hamassholes from shooting rockets/mortars into Israel?

Posted by: A Plover In Every Pot! at January 11, 2009 07:26 PM (R9nd6)

80 79: We don't NEED to stop anyone anymore. We have HOPE.

Posted by: Killer at January 11, 2009 07:28 PM (iafWn)

81 "What would Killer, the leftard Goat Fucker, do to stop Hamassholes from shooting rockets/mortars into Israel?"

I'd teach them how to be more accurate and kill every nazi jew in the place.

Posted by: Killer at January 11, 2009 07:29 PM (wQSiP)

82 41 Wanna have a laugh? Despite Obama's bleating about rejecting these techniques, the Dems won't legislate against them and we'll find out -- lo and behold! -- Obama's administration still does it.

The excuses...oh, the excuses.

It'll be fun watching Olberman's forehead veins throb as he forces himself to pretend it's OK with him when the Big O does it!

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 11, 2009 07:30 PM (iafWn)

83 "Nazi jew"

/facepalm

Were you born naturally stupid, or is it something you have to work on daily?

Posted by: Unclefacts at January 11, 2009 07:31 PM (M+Vfm)

84 Killer,

Say this 5 times: "There is no scam but Allah and Mohammed was a con artist."

Posted by: AmishDude at January 11, 2009 07:31 PM (T0NGe)

Killer,

If we're going to start torturing scumbags, I'd suggest we start with Reid, Pelosi, Rockefeller, Harmon, and the rest of the hyper-cynical dem leadership who KNEW what the fuck was happening and ACCEPTED it. Then, when it was politically expedient, they suddenly start screeching about "torture" & "constitutional protections" for fucking non-citizens, bleeding from the horrible wounds to their delicate senses of propriety all over the Capitol floor. They KNEW. That makes them cold-blooded liars and shitbags of the first degree. Playing politics with the lives and safety of YOUR family. And YOU put them in power. And if you think this cabal is going to let a little thing like human suffering stand in between them and good press, you're dumber than you already sound. They'll do torture exponentially worse than anything we've done so far. They simply won't tell anyone. And lefty douchebags like you working in the CIA and at State and the NYT will keep their mouths shut like good little comrades. So, who's the fucking scumbag, scumbag?

Posted by: rickinstl at January 11, 2009 07:31 PM (dSJKg)

86 I'd teach them how to be more accurate and kill every nazi jew in the place. Posted by: Killer at January 11, 2009 07:29 PM (wQSiP)

That's the spirit! I knew you had it in you!

Scratch the surface of a Killer and you'll always find a Himmler.

Posted by: A Plover In Every Pot! at January 11, 2009 07:32 PM (R9nd6)

87 Let's stop feeding the troll. He's probably running out of napkins by now...

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 11, 2009 07:33 PM (iafWn)

88 "What would Killer, the leftard Goat Fucker, do to stop Hamassholes from shooting rockets/mortars into Israel?"

With any luck he'd go all Rachel Corrie on a bulldozer.

Posted by: Steven P at January 11, 2009 07:33 PM (J/oUC)

89 You just know killer is beating his dick like it owed him money

Posted by: toby928 at January 11, 2009 07:33 PM (PD1tk)

90 With any luck he'd go all Rachel Corrie on a bulldozer.

Oh, yes! That holiday is coming up...

Posted by: A Plover In Every Pot! at January 11, 2009 07:35 PM (R9nd6)

91 Have you ever noticed that nobody seems to care that we can launch Hellfire missiles at terrorists in Pakistan and nobody seems to care? I mean there is no due process there and we blow their terrorist asses to smithereens. No trial, no interrogation, just an immediate death penalty. Yawn.

Capture one of the pukes instead of reducing him to a pink mist via Hellfire and things change. Suddenly the same cocksucker you were allowed to kill outright now suddenly must be handled with kid gloves. He has rights you know. You can't make him kneel too long or turn the air conditioner on to high, that is torture. He needs to get his beauty sleep too. Sleep deprivation is a no no.

So let's review: Blowing terrorist internal organs all over Waristan: OK. Letting a dog bark at him: tortuous war crime.

Got it? Me neither.

Posted by: RD Walker at January 11, 2009 07:35 PM (MpcIY)

92 CoolCzech is right. Probably should stop feeding the troll. Although, I'm sure the only thing Killer has killed is a bag of frito's after smoking a doobie and working on his next ACORN scam.

Posted by: CDR M at January 11, 2009 07:36 PM (TJoU6)

93 48 This is why I hate liberals. They have forgotten what happened on that day in September of 2001. Or they just didn't give a fuck.

You are forgetting the key element: They think we deserved it.

Posted by: Alana at January 11, 2009 07:36 PM (JE2zV)

94 "That's the spirit! I knew you had it in you!"

You don't know anything. You are just another dumb, right-wing scumbag.

Posted by: Killer at January 11, 2009 07:37 PM (wQSiP)

95 I'd teach them how to be more accurate and kill every nazi jew in the place.

Hilarious bluster coming from someone who probably couldn't teach a four year old how to tie their shoes!

Posted by: nightwitch at January 11, 2009 07:37 PM (NXY/0)

96 You are forgetting the key element: They think we deserved did it.

FIFY

Posted by: Unclefacts at January 11, 2009 07:38 PM (M+Vfm)

97 It takes killer awhile to type his cerebral blasts one-handed

Posted by: toby928 at January 11, 2009 07:38 PM (PD1tk)

98 90 With any luck he'd go all Rachel Corrie on a bulldozer.

Heh, heh! I still get a chuckle over Rachel, LOL! Anarchy means never having to stop for protestors, sweetie! BWA-HA-HA-HA-Ha-Ha-ha-ha-ha!!!!!

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 11, 2009 07:38 PM (iafWn)

99 97 It takes killer awhile to type his cerebral blasts one-handed

Must suck, beating it with the other hand.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 11, 2009 07:39 PM (iafWn)

100 This "killer" poster's a real sweetheart, isn't he?

Posted by: Alana at January 11, 2009 07:40 PM (JE2zV)

101 This "killer" poster's a real sweetheart, isn't he?

meh, he's a fifteen year old orange dicked weiner. You can't expect too much

Posted by: toby928 at January 11, 2009 07:41 PM (PD1tk)

102 I think that we all realize that it isn't the interrogation techniques or even the war on terror that the lefties object too. What they object to, is that a president with an "R" after his name is in the White House. Had a dem been in office and followed the exact same procedures and policies as Bush, he would be talked about as an American hero by the MSM and the left.

This is happening today...O said he would close down gitmo in his 1st hundred days if elected and now he's saying it's complicated and twats like John Aviviaos or whatever the hypocrites names is, is saying - that's fair.

Posted by: Topsecretk9 at January 11, 2009 07:42 PM (9rtVF)

103

54 Hopefully you scumbags will be tortured some day.

Some in the S & M "community" actually pay for that opportunity. Just sayin.'

Posted by: genghis at January 11, 2009 07:42 PM (1XErj)

104 Killer would be one of those libtards that would be afraid to say anything about Mohammed but first in line to make fun of every other religion. Real man of valor there.

Posted by: CDR M at January 11, 2009 07:43 PM (TJoU6)

105 Oh, yes! That holiday is coming up...

I'll be whipping up a big batch of blueberry pancakes in honor of St. Pancake that day.

Mmmm, pancakes!

Posted by: nightwitch at January 11, 2009 07:43 PM (NXY/0)

106 Whatever happened to trolls like diderot's dog, who at least typed some interesting chunks of prose that were based in lunacy. Killer is just boring and dumb; I'm sure his/her whore mother feels the same way, which is one of the reasons it's making a pest out of itself.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 11, 2009 07:44 PM (ZW5eD)

107

96 You are forgetting the key element: They think we deserved did it.

FIFY

You're being narrow-minded, Unclefacts. A good liberal can easily believe both. Simultaneously.

Posted by: BKWillis at January 11, 2009 07:44 PM (WANBT)

108 Hey, anyone know if Michael Moore goes by the pseudonym "killer"?

Posted by: ohplease at January 11, 2009 07:45 PM (2EvwB)

109 "We have our own form of harsh interrogation," a Biden insider said today: "Have you ever seen a Judiciary Committee hearing on a Republican nominee?"

"Our problem is that most Democrats want to be terrorist defense lawyers but I'm sure we'll find someone. Hell, we can even send Frank and Waxman down there if it comes to it, of course we'll have to put something on their heads. Put little lights in Waxman's nose - two beacons from under a pair of Pelosi's panties in a dark room with Frank behind, dressed in drag. Heck, it would be scarier than Jason."

"Talk they must, and talk they will."

Posted by: Robert at January 11, 2009 07:46 PM (VotgB)

110 District Attorney Rothko: You're lucky I'm not indicting you for assault with intent to commit murder.
Harry Callahan: What?
District Attorney Rothko: Where the hell does it say that you've got a right to kick down doors, torture suspects, deny medical attention and legal counsel? Where have you been? Does Escobedo ring a bell? Miranda? I mean, you must have heard of the Fourth Amendment. What I'm saying is that man had rights.
Harry Callahan: Well, I'm all broken up over that man's rights!

You just reminded me how even a good idea for a story gets perverted by Hollywuss into an inversion of the original. With Dirty Harry it took only one sequel. The first movie was basically about a cop breaking good rules that "the system" made burdensome and absurd, in order to eliminate a really, really bad guy.

But in the sequel, the bad guy wasn't a kidnapping murderer... the bad guy was the police itself, the system of maintaining order. The real villains weren't murderers, mafioso or pimps beating up hookers... The real bad guys are cops themselves. The real "law and order" types.

So on the one hand the first film painted society as crippled by misplaced "compassion" and political correctness in the face of the uncivilized among us. On the other hand, the second film cast law and order itself as the true source of oppression in society. The actual criminals were incidental.

Which film proved to be more prescient? You get no extra credit for the correct answer.

Posted by: George Orwell at January 11, 2009 07:48 PM (AZGON)

111 Hey, anyone know if Michael Moore goes by the pseudonym "killer"?

Only if the word "donut" is added to the front.

Posted by: nightwitch at January 11, 2009 07:48 PM (NXY/0)

112 100 This "killer" poster's a real sweetheart, isn't he?

Posted by: Alana at January 11, 2009 07:40 PM (JE2zV)

Alana,

As Beyonce would say he's "Irreplaceable."

Posted by: ohplease at January 11, 2009 07:49 PM (2EvwB)

113

EricH, the Constitution is silent on the matter of foreign nationals captured on the battlefield.

The Constitution includes treaties that have been ratified by the Senate. And among those treaties include ones forbidding torture.

We also have domestic law forbidding the torture of anyone, including non-nationals.

As to whether waterboarding is torture, my thought is it's not since, as others have mentioned above, our own people undergo the procedure.

But the other suggestions - pulling out fingernails, et cetera - are clearly torture and not permitted under the law.

We need to change the laws. Especially to protect our people who carry out whatever we do. I'm not worried about Bush or Cheney. They have the money and resources to defend themselves. But the little guys don't have such resources.

Posted by: ericH at January 11, 2009 07:49 PM (OgV6c)

114

Close italics.

Close.

Posted by: ericH at January 11, 2009 07:51 PM (OgV6c)

115 These lefties who have forgotten all about 911 are the same people who have NO problem at all with William Ayers. They're idiots.

Posted by: Aleister at January 11, 2009 07:54 PM (f+gOj)

116 @111

Oh, killer problems eating some donuts right now.

Posted by: ohplease at January 11, 2009 07:57 PM (2EvwB)

117 I bet these same people that think that torturing terrorists is wrong, cheer when our soldiers are tortured.

Posted by: Ginger at January 11, 2009 08:00 PM (nsb+C)

118 You don't know anything. You are just another dumb, right-wing scumbag.
Posted by: Killer /i>

I knew you were a jew hater first and foremost, liebchen. You yearn for the good old days? Here's one of your heroes.

Posted by: A Plover In Every Pot! at January 11, 2009 08:01 PM (R9nd6)

119
You don't know anything. You are just another dumb, right-wing scumbag.
Posted by: Killer

I knew you were a jew hater first and foremost, liebchen. You yearn for the good old days?
Here's one of your heroes.

[I hate to ruin a joke.]

Posted by: A Plover In Every Pot! at January 11, 2009 08:03 PM (R9nd6)

120 108 Hey, anyone know if Michael Moore goes by the pseudonym "killer"?

Only when he's in the vicinity of a buffet...

Posted by: Unclefacts at January 11, 2009 08:04 PM (M+Vfm)

121 Posted by: Killer at January 11, 2009 07:17 PM (wQSiP)

My bet is that you live in a large area that stands a good chance of being targeted by a terrorist attack. My hope, should that happen, and dare I say it (I do) is that your life is adversely affected, directly or indirectly. What would you say if it could have been prevented by aggressive interrogation techniques?

Oh and PS, you're an idiot fucktard.

Posted by: THeREsaD at January 11, 2009 08:05 PM (MO2LE)

122 THeREsaD, you bring up a good point. Most of the Democrat support and anti-war, anti-terror, anti-torture crowd live in the most likely target areas. Oh the irony.

Posted by: CDR M at January 11, 2009 08:09 PM (TJoU6)

123 I am sure that Germans in 1943 had much the same to say about torturing people like the Jews, Gypsies and others they disliked. Torture is illegal and wrong, period. I thought we were a Christian nation.

Posted by: Hooseierbrad at January 11, 2009 08:13 PM (y/JJL)

124 Where were these cockholsters at when our troops have been captured and tortured/murdered by AQ or the Taliban? I never heard them once raise holy hell when our Soldiers were subject to being decapitated in the name of that camelfucker Osama. Fuck you, Teleprompter Jesus!

Obama is jealous that he wasn't the first one to torture one of the towelhead Alphas...

Posted by: Buck Naked - Pron Star at January 11, 2009 08:13 PM (utes0)

125 "These lefties who have forgotten all about 911 are the same people who have NO problem at all with William Ayers."

They're the ones slobbering all over him at Huffington Post like Chris Matthews getting a lapdance from Barack Obama.

Posted by: Kensington at January 11, 2009 08:13 PM (fhJCy)

126 I am sure that Germans in 1943 had much the same to say about torturing people like the Jews, Gypsies and others they disliked.

Understandable, considering the way the Jews flew those planes into the Reichstag and the Gypsies' suicide attack against that Munich elementary school, wait, what?

Posted by: toby928 at January 11, 2009 08:17 PM (PD1tk)

127 Does it fall under 'Irony' that the douche with the name 'Killer' is denouncing torture?

Next thing you know,
'War' will be crying out, 'Give peace a chance'..

Posted by: Dave C at January 11, 2009 08:17 PM (bU9ij)

128 I know nothing!!!!!!!!!!

I was on vacation!!!

I didn't see a thing!!11!eleven!!

Posted by: Typical German via 1943 at January 11, 2009 08:20 PM (bU9ij)

129 "My hope, should that happen, and dare I say it (I do) is that your life is adversely affected, directly or indirectly.

My hope is you don't make it.

Posted by: Killer at January 11, 2009 08:21 PM (Mz4tm)

130 Gonna have to agree with Hoosierbrad on this one. Holding/moving 800 or so prisoners through Gitmo and what, 3 recorded instances of waterboarding during that time, is the EXACT same thing as 6 million jews and 3 million other undesirables being sent to their deaths by the Nazis during WW II..........

Yep, the exact same thing.

Posted by: sears poncho at January 11, 2009 08:21 PM (uj/0b)

131 "The Constitution includes treaties that have been ratified by the Senate"

You know, I've heard that assertion before and I'm not sure that is really true. We've violated just about every treaty ever made with the American Indians, but I don't see the SCOTUS losing sleep over it. Treaties become the Law of the Land, THAT is true - but laws can be changed.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 11, 2009 08:22 PM (iafWn)

132 130 Sears Poncho..

Yup..

1 Water-board = multiple Gas Chambers and giant ovens..

Posted by: Dave C at January 11, 2009 08:24 PM (bU9ij)

133 I hope none of you is forgetting a simple fact. All of the people who we have detained and or tortured are allegedly terrorists, the vast majority have been convicted of nothing! Think how many times an American will be tortured in the future by their captives, because if we do it, they should, also.

Posted by: Hooseierbrad at January 11, 2009 08:26 PM (y/JJL)

134 Ya know, this is such a steaming load of horseshit. I've treated people worse on dates, for chrissakes. Only those who richly deserved it and, ya know, what? I bet most of you have, too.

Waterboarding. Jeez. Try a freakin' bikini wax sometime . . . make you wish it was just waterboarding.

Posted by: CB at January 11, 2009 08:27 PM (9Wv2j)

135

Ass! Piss! Ballbuffer! Pooper!

Posted by: Swearwing Plover at January 11, 2009 08:28 PM (avnTm)

136

OH MY FUCKING GOSH!!! When the fuck did we turn into a nation of pussies?

Posted by: Ginger at January 11, 2009 08:29 PM (nsb+C)

137 Ginger, we didn't. They did.

Posted by: CB at January 11, 2009 08:30 PM (9Wv2j)

138

Killer take's it in the POOPER and he like's it.

ASS! PISS!!

Posted by: Swearwing Plover at January 11, 2009 08:31 PM (avnTm)

139 Pantyhose Brad @ 133 allegedly terrorists

But they ARE unlawful combatants.. been caught on the Battlefield trying to kill US troops and others.

Coalition forces did not kick done a door at random and grab someone to send to Gitmo..

Posted by: Dave C at January 11, 2009 08:33 PM (bU9ij)

140 Hoosier,

would you be so kind as to point me to an example of AQ or any other terrorist group that follows the Geneva Conventions?

I'd appreciate it.

Posted by: Unclefacts at January 11, 2009 08:33 PM (M+Vfm)

141 done = down.

Posted by: Dave C at January 11, 2009 08:34 PM (bU9ij)

142 Looks like 24 is back. I wonder how long it will take for Obama to kill it.

Posted by: Robert at January 11, 2009 08:36 PM (VotgB)

143 Fuck all the liberal panty wasters. I am starting a petition that we use the pear of anguish and the rack. Oh and while I am at it, I am going to ask Sarkozy if we can have some of their guillotines.

Posted by: Ginger at January 11, 2009 08:38 PM (nsb+C)

144 Unclefacts, you beat me to it. C'mon Hoosier, the ragheads where making head choppin video's long before you knew what the hell waterboarding was. Not once have this fuck's adhered to the Geneva conventions nor would they since they do not operate on behalf of any nation.

Posted by: CDR M at January 11, 2009 08:40 PM (TJoU6)

145 Terrorists are not covered by the laws of warfare. Not to mention, anything is justified in a terrorist's action if it advances his aims (or just scares people). Terrorism isn't about political/military victory, it is about power over others.

All I have to do is remember that every time an American has been captured in Iraq, that American is tortured before being killed. It kind of puts things in perspective. If some low-life terrorist scumbag gets banged around a little to get critical information, too bad for him.

Posted by: Joseph at January 11, 2009 08:41 PM (SlDWP)

146 Killer and Hoosier Brad

What would you say if Obama should happen to announce that due to previous unknown information that was not available to him at the time, the need for Gitmo to remain open still exists?

and the waterboarding issue is a footnote next the * in the file calling for Gitmo to stay open for business...

Posted by: Dave C at January 11, 2009 08:41 PM (bU9ij)

147 Halle-fuckin-lujah and a-fuckin-men to that, Dave. My living room window looks directly south, barely a mile from where those towers stood. I couldn't care less whether we use pliers, blowtorches or whatever it takes - NEVER AGAIN!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 11, 2009 08:42 PM (9Cooa)

148 I hope none of you is forgetting a simple fact. All of the people who we have detained and or tortured are allegedly terrorists, the vast majority have been convicted of nothing! Think how many times an American will be tortured in the future by their captives, because if we do it, they should, also.

I swear to God I lose my lunch every time I hear this kind of prattle. I don't know why there are people too stupid to grasp the fact that this is neither a conventional military conflict nor is it a criminal justice matter. These are not tools of a state who are compelled to fight - which is the animating principle behind the Geneva Conventions - but nutbag savages who are not playing by the rules of warfare. What kind of moron clings to the abstract notion that these people take prisoners? What kind of retard can't absorb the reality that these people use the standards of the civilized world to their advantage while proceeding with no similar intent? The only thing you ensure with this kind of abstract masturbation is that the most efficient practice is to simply kill these cretins rather than risk court or a detainment situation where extracting information is impossible. Is that what you want mister self-righteous?

Posted by: Steven P at January 11, 2009 08:44 PM (J/oUC)

149 Hoosier, we have waterboarded 3 individuals. One of them is KSM. Are you saying he's not a terrorist until he is convicted in court? What rights do you suggest he has since he does not operate on behalf of a counry nor does Geneva apply to them? Do you honestly believe that if we treated them like royalty that our own troops would not be tortured, maimed and killed??? Really??? Damm, now I know why Obama won if you really believe that shit. Psst, there really aren't any unicorns out there, no matter what PEBO says.

Posted by: CDR M at January 11, 2009 08:44 PM (TJoU6)

150 Dave---

THANK YOU for mentioning Beslan.

Of all the terrorist atrocities since 9/11, I think Beslan is the worst---
and the whole world seems to have FORGOTTEN all about it
since NOBODY ever mentions it.

God bless you, Dave, for remembering.

Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at January 11, 2009 08:47 PM (2HSFo)

151 I hope none of you is forgetting a simple fact. All of the people who we have detained and or tortured are allegedly terrorists

Yep, like Madoff allegedly ran a Ponzi scheme or OJ Simpson is allegedly a murderer.

Posted by: Andy at January 11, 2009 08:48 PM (B+HYX)

152 Posted by: Steven P at January 11, 2009 08:44 PM (J/oUC)

Let us know if you ever run for office . . . you've got my vote!

Posted by: CB at January 11, 2009 08:49 PM (9Wv2j)

153
Do we get to torture them after we convict them? If not, fuck you!

Posted by: A Plover In Every Pot! at January 11, 2009 08:50 PM (R9nd6)

154 After an attack on U.S. soil, with thousands dead, the left would sleep like babies because at least they didn't wateboard a terrorist to get information. Sick cowardly bastards.

Posted by: Sparky at January 11, 2009 08:51 PM (J1f2W)

155 @13: They [the lefties] have held out hope for 8 years that we would be pounded into an embarrassing defeat.

Are these people so brainless as to think that such a defeat won't translate into more terror attacks on American soil? Do they think they and their children will be magically spared? Do they fail to give a shit about their own children? WHAT'S THE DEAL?

I remember what Golda Meir famously said: "Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us."

We'll have peace and sanity in THIS country when the lefties love their own children more than they hate the Republican Party.

Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at January 11, 2009 08:55 PM (2HSFo)

156 I am glad I don't live in an area where terrorists are most likely to attack.

Posted by: Ginger at January 11, 2009 08:57 PM (nsb+C)

157 OK. Take no prisoners, no one alive, no more overcrowding at gitmo or wherever. Problem Solved. Fuck the lawyers. Yeah!

Posted by: Hugh Jass at January 11, 2009 09:02 PM (Y1/2j)

158 All you commenters who think Obama will resort to some of the same techniques once his ass is on the line...
I sure hope you're right in your optimism about Obama's loyalties.

But there are so many things on the record that show his contempt for this country and his sympathy for radical Muslims and Communists, that I fear that the primary people who would eventually end up being imprisoned and tortured are the likes of you and me.

Remember the FBI informant who was in on the Weather Underground meeting--a meeting in which Obama bud Bill Ayers was a participant--they discussed sending the recalcitrant to re-education camps, and for the really, REALLY recalcitrant: DEATH. "Up to 25 million" might have to be "eliminated."

Sorry I can't share your optimism about B. Hussein.

Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at January 11, 2009 09:08 PM (2HSFo)

159 It was Bill BJ Clinton who started the precedent of handing off prisoners to foreign allies so they would use *ahem* ways to get them to talk so the US could do their cry of 'it wasn't us'..

it gave BJ and his team their mea culpa (I know I'm asking a bunch of morons^tm but is that in the right context? It's been several years since I've used that.. it seemed fitting tonight though)

Posted by: Dave C at January 11, 2009 09:08 PM (bU9ij)

160 Dave, you could also have used Clinton's CYA...

Posted by: Unclefacts at January 11, 2009 09:11 PM (M+Vfm)

161 Sherlock@45:

As we say around here, "No shit, Sherlock!"

You hit the nail ABSOLUTELY on the head.
Thanks for a brilliant post.

Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at January 11, 2009 09:15 PM (2HSFo)

162 it gave BJ and his team their mea culpa (I know I'm asking a bunch of morons^tm but is that in the right context? It's been several years since I've used that.. it seemed fitting tonight though)

Plausible deniability is the phrase you're looking for (although I'm not sure what the latin would be). Mea culpa is exactly what Bubba was trying to avoid.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 11, 2009 09:24 PM (MKNSy)

163 Hoosierbrad@133: Think how many times an American will be tortured in the future by their captives, because if we do it, they should, also.

PLEASE tell me you weren't really born yesterday!
You really think that if we're all nicey nice, so will the Muslims---whose "holy book" specifically authorizes them to use any means necessary, including theft, cheating, pillage, rape, and mass murder, to spread Islam??

Wow. And I thought I was naive!

Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at January 11, 2009 09:34 PM (2HSFo)

164 Thank you all..

next time I'll know better when I try to sound all smart and all

Posted by: Dave C at January 11, 2009 09:36 PM (bU9ij)

165

We'll have peace and sanity in THIS country when the lefties love their own children more than they hate the Republican Party.

So never, right?

Posted by: The Band at January 11, 2009 09:44 PM (QtRBc)

166 159: Mea Culpa means "my culpability (fault, or responsibility)." If there's one thing Bubba would never do, it would be to take full responsibility for something that was his fault.

What the liberal practice of exporting the dirty work really gives them is their High Dudgeon - the moral high horse they love to climb when a real American like Bush does what it takes to protect the nation, unapologetically and forthrightly.

In case anyone missed it, I deeply dislike liberalism and all it's moral pretence and arrogance.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 11, 2009 09:56 PM (iafWn)

167

We. Don't. Care. .... Fuck them.

Testify, Dave. Fucking testify.

Posted by: Blacksheep at January 11, 2009 09:57 PM (ZezB4)

168 If there's one thing Bubba would never do, it would be to take full responsibility for something that was his fault.

I remember now.. when the Branch Davidians raid went up south and then went up in flames.. it was Reno's fault.. BJ was just the guy sitting behind a desk..

Posted by: Dave C at January 11, 2009 10:02 PM (bU9ij)

169 What I don't understand is.... as Abdim...(sp?) and ther other Hezzbolah fella claim the Holocost was a PR stunt, a figment of our imagination...and Israel has no right to exist.....and all good Islamists will never stop fighting until Israel is wiped off the earth along with all infidels.....we are supposed to believe that Israel is the one guilty of genocide, they (terrorists) are the good guys who want peace, and torture is only bad if we do it against them? OK.....but somehow that line of reasoning does not seem reasonable, let alone intelligent?

Posted by: ItalianMama at January 11, 2009 10:05 PM (sCDCd)

170 20 The Bush hatred from the leftist scum and their concern over torture is because Bush was successful in his job.

Actually the origin of the enmity is the 2000 election. Bush had the temerity to not have the election stolen from him.

Posted by: baldilocks at January 11, 2009 10:12 PM (nymRr)

171

Oh, Killer ... I think we have a lot in common to discuss.

Meet me in the dark alley tonight.

Dress like a Hobo!

Posted by: Mephitis at January 11, 2009 10:23 PM (7rLjo)

172 They're the ones slobbering all over him at Huffington Post like Chris Matthews getting a lapdance from Barack Obama.

Posted by: Kensington at January 11, 2009 08:13 PM (fhJCy)

I hate you. However, we should try to plant that mental picture in the imagination of terrorists. They'll talk immediately. Well some of them will.

Posted by: baldilocks at January 11, 2009 10:45 PM (nymRr)

173 I hate you. However, we should try to plant that mental picture in the imagination of terrorists. They'll talk immediately. Well some of them will.

That's clearly a war crime.

Posted by: Al at January 11, 2009 11:45 PM (CyBUS)

174 133, Hoosierbrad, you're not normally an idiot. Look up what happened to SPC David Babineau, PFC Thomas Tucker, and PFC Kristian Menchaca of my regiment when they were captured by the enemy. Look how even their bodies were left and booby-trapped AFTER those subhuman savage fuckers executed my comrades. Look what the Somalis did to the bodies of our dead there. Most of the rest of the world came out of the trees last week, culturally speaking. Expecting Western European Christian decency is all well and good when the French and British are fighting the Germans, you throw that Asiatic cruelty in there and atrocities are the rule, not the exception.

Killer, again, I would also have done whatever was necessary to save American lives, even a troll douche like you. But since I just got off active duty and I live way the hell out in the country in a very red state, if New York City or some other lib-infested urban area vanishes in an Iranian-backed mushroom cloud, well, I won't get too upset over it anymore. They voted for a liberal peacenik, they reap the results.

Posted by: SGT Dan at January 12, 2009 12:23 AM (SK5U6)

175 Torture is illegal and wrong, period. I thought we were a Christian nation.

What if we were to become a Muslim nation, where clitorectomies are routinely carried out on little girls, rape victims are stoned to death for "immoral behavior" and homosexuals get to have walls pulled down on top of them? Would it be okay with you then? Or is your whole "torture is wrong" strictly an argument to be used against any nation that doesn't actually, y'know, torture people?

Kinda like blaming Israel for its "war of aggression" while completely ignoring the thousands of rockets fired into Israeli cities. And nursing homes. And elementary schools. Without a single word of complaint from liberal asshats like you.

Posted by: Drumwaster at January 12, 2009 01:28 AM (Ymor3)

176

Help me out here--I don't specifically recall (but then, I don't touch myself to the thought of our guys getting shot like some I know) any instance (with the possible exception of Pvt. Lynch et al) of our guys getting taken while still alive, they have foreknowledge of what they can expect from the tender mercies of our opponents and engage in the nasty tendency to fight to the death.

I thought most of the bodies of our troops were tortured post mortem--still inexcusable, but again, it shows the degree of courage of the enemy that they are afraid to try anything to a live troop for fear they will be bitten to death.

Not that I doubt such a thing would occur, I just don't think our guys got taken alive much. I know for a fact that the injuries of of Shugart and Gordon from Mogadishu were all post mortem, as none of the Somalis had the stones, brains or reflexes to do shit to them while they were still alive and had bullets, and both Shugart and Gordon took out several with their fucking knives before they succummed to wounds. As I recall. I believe our current troops are cut from the same cloth.

Posted by: nudge, nudge at January 12, 2009 01:30 AM (6BtMV)

177 My hope is you don't make it.

Posted by: Killer at January 11, 2009 08:21 PM (Mz4tm)

Thanks for the well wishes, you idiot fucktard! Same to you, only I hope the terrorists we didn't get a chance to question to prevent it from happening to you make a video so I can watch it before I go. Don't worry, I'll know it' you, you'll be the guy holding the "Just Say No to Torture" sign.

Posted by: THeREsaD at January 12, 2009 02:29 AM (MO2LE)

178 "Killer, again, I would also have done whatever was necessary to save American lives, even a troll douche like you. But since I just got off active duty and I live way the hell out in the country in a very red state, if New York City or some other lib-infested urban area vanishes in an Iranian-backed mushroom cloud, well, I won't get too upset over it anymore. They voted for a liberal peacenik, they reap the results."

What makes you think I give a shit what a country moron like you thinks. Eat shit hero. Now go back to screwing sheep moron.

Posted by: Killer at January 12, 2009 06:28 AM (pVMVH)

179 What makes you think I give a shit what a country moron like you thinks. Eat shit hero. Now go back to screwing sheep moron.

You say that like the right to bang livestock won't be next on the progressives' agenda after you've finished norming mano a mano Hershey Highway lovin' and rolled back the age of consent for chilluns.

Posted by: Steven P at January 12, 2009 07:45 AM (ItiwG)

180

Personally, I love it when college educated people say that the only reason the terrorists would torture our troops, or capture civilians is because we have tortured detainees. College must be sucking the common sense out of our richest members of the USA( obviously not the smartest).

The bible is an ancient manuscript, and clearly torture was practice 24/7 in the middle east all through the old and new testament.

The terrorists are going to torture our people, whether we do anything to their prisoners, or not.

It's war, moron. Did you not see Saving Private Ryan?...everybody who was given mercy, came back and killed a member of the group. Watch it again, and pay attention this time.

Posted by: ford at January 12, 2009 08:44 AM (Ki7fm)

181 Well said Dave

Posted by: Dudley Smith at January 12, 2009 12:37 PM (0S8Xt)

182 Still gets me how many people sincerely believe these techniques don't give good information on threats. Every non-conservative site I read about it says it doesn't give credible evidence.

Well geniuses, we are not looking for evidence, we are looking for leads to STOP TERRORIST PLOTS. I don't give a damn if we can't use it in court. That's what we have Gitmo for.

Posted by: Scandi Dirt at January 12, 2009 07:33 PM (x47Ed)

183 Killer, if I get captured in Afghanistan as a high-ranking member of Al-Quada, I WANT you to waterboard me. Please talk some sense into me.

Posted by: Scandi Dirt at January 12, 2009 07:35 PM (x47Ed)

184

What makes you think I give a shit what a country moron like you thinks. Eat shit hero. Now go back to screwing sheep moron.

LOLUMAD

Posted by: Olaf at January 12, 2009 08:02 PM (gh8L9)

185 When can we start using AGONIZERS on them?

Posted by: Spurwing Plover at January 12, 2009 11:07 PM (EZFD9)

186

What makes you think I give a shit what a country moron like you thinks. Eat shit hero. Now go back to screwing sheep moron.

Sounds like someone's a little pissed off about being one of the three guys who "won" the waterboarding lottery down at his federal island resort. Awwwwwwwww.

Posted by: VJay at January 12, 2009 11:25 PM (k87Wm)

187

Bush is an ass, not because he endorsed harsh interogation, but because he didn't use it. Worse he didn't tell the Supremes to fuck off when they decided that contrary to the rule of law that terrorists are to get the same treatment as jaywalkers. Now I realize US citizens who jaywalk deserve every protection but does mean we now have to treat them as we treat terrorists and George didn't have the guts to tell the court to stuff it.

Worse he sat back while Murtha slimed the Marines.

The sooner he leaves and joins hands with his buddy McCain the safer the country will be. Bush was nothing but an honest Obama.

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