Obama Economic Speech

The President-Elect is about to give a "major economic speech" where he'll layout the rationale for his stimulus plan. Needless to say, it's pretty much the same demand side argument we've heard from him over the last year or so.

President-elect Barack Obama said Thursday that the U.S. recession could "linger for years" unless Congress acts to pump unprecedented sums from Washington into the U.S. economy, making his highest-profile case yet on an issue certain to define his early presidency.
"I don't believe it's too late to change course, but it will be if we don't take dramatic action as soon as possible," Obama said in a speech set to be delivered at George Mason University in Fairfax, Virginia, outside Washington. Excerpts from his prepared text were released in advance by his transition team.
"A bad situation could become dramatically worse," he said, painting a dire picture -- including double-digit unemployment and $1 trillion in lost economic activity -- that recalled the days of the Great Depression in the 1930s.

If spending were the key to prosperity, given all the increased spending the federal government has been doing over the last few years, especially over the last year, shouldn't we be rolling in the rainbows and unicorns by now?

Possibly complicating Obama and the Democrats plan, the Chinese don't seem so keen on continuing to play banker to us. Hmmm, I wonder why.

I'll update if anything interesting comes out of the speech but I'm guessing it'll be more scare mongering and demand for huge increases in spending.

Posted by: DrewM. at 11:14 AM

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1 The money quote from the article:

But China's leadership is likely to avoid any complete halt to purchases of Treasuries for fear of looking like it is torpedoing the chances for a U.S. economic recovery at a vulnerable time, said Paul Tang, the chief economist at the Bank of East Asia here

So, the Chicoms control our economy, and will continue to control our economy. Just lovely. However, I'm sure The One and his legions of libtards are completely OK with that.

Posted by: shibumi at January 08, 2009 11:21 AM (tZB/c)

2 Massive deficit spending is what Bush did after 9-11 to keep the economy out of recession. Obama is once again tacitly admitting that he (and the Democrats) think Bush was right.

Posted by: V the K at January 08, 2009 11:21 AM (PLvLS)

3 Also, I think Obama and the Dems have to talk up catastrophe since the best we can hope for under their plans is a long, deep recession. This way, they can claim they at least staved off Depression.

Posted by: V the K at January 08, 2009 11:23 AM (PLvLS)

4 Sure...let's just spend our way out of this -- that would work just swell for my business...for about a month.

However, if the gubmint promises me a Skittles Shitting Unicorn, I might reconsider my current position...oh yeah, they'll also have to toss in a Zombie Goat.

Posted by: billygoat at January 08, 2009 11:23 AM (WQqt3)

5 I, for one, welcome our benevolent Chicom overlords. May our sun ever continue to rise and set on their whim, as long as we can fight global warming and keep the rich from having more than their share.

Posted by: Ian K Agneato at January 08, 2009 11:24 AM (uiKEv)

6 Hai guyz. apparently only government can provide short term growth!! Wow Obama has completely changed my opinion of a strong government with this umm awesome umm speech.

Also computerizing medical records will save us all.

Posted by: MFn G I M P at January 08, 2009 11:25 AM (jyfTQ)

7 "I don't believe it's too late to change course, but it will be if we don't take dramatic action as soon as possible," Obama said in a speech set to be delivered at George Mason University in Fairfax, Virginia, outside Washington. Excerpts from his prepared text were released in advance by his transition team.

And btw, George Mason is currently turning cartwheels in his grave.

Posted by: billygoat at January 08, 2009 11:25 AM (WQqt3)

8 Posted by: V the K at January 08, 2009 11:21 AM (PLvLS)

Actually, I would argue it was the tax cuts that kept the economy floating after 9/11.

Tax cuts create wealth, spending can only 'spread it around' for awhile and then what happens when it runs out?

Posted by: DrewM. at January 08, 2009 11:26 AM (hlYel)

9 2 Massive deficit spending is what Bush did after 9-11 to keep the economy out of recession. Obama is once again tacitly admitting that he (and the Democrats) think Bush was right.

But they'll probably part ways when it comes to Bush's tax cuts.

I think the dems will be doing a lot of things they criticized Bush for doing.

Posted by: Dang at January 08, 2009 11:26 AM (Y5LIx)

10 I for one, feel the Change rushing over my body, like a 1 megaton York Peppermint Patty.

Posted by: Techie at January 08, 2009 11:26 AM (906oR)

Speech in short:

1. The economy is so bad that life as we know it will cease in a short time unless my socialism plan is passed.

2. We got here because of greedy Wall Street and Bush

3. We need to pass some more laws to make it harder to do business (while keeping the laws that created the problem).

4. We will give jobs to people making high priced alternative energy components and force all you broke taxpayers to buy them.

5. We will create unbridled inflation which will then require huge tax increases.

6. We will force through the new �smart grid� (a code name for building more high voltage lines so CA and NY can get power from cheaper areas and not have to build new plants). The utilities will pay for these lines so the rate payer will pay for them.

Bottom line: We are all hopelessly fucked.

Posted by: Vic at January 08, 2009 11:27 AM (f6os6)

12 10 I for one, feel the Change rushing over my body, like a 1 megaton York Peppermint Patty.

Probably need to degauss your monitor now.

Posted by: Dang at January 08, 2009 11:28 AM (Y5LIx)

Managing expectations by lowering them. "If I don't get my stimulus package then the economy will tank and it's not my fault".

I'm gonna try that at work. "If I don't max out my bonus this year my performance will suffer as a result. Sorry".

Posted by: Dave in Texas at January 08, 2009 11:28 AM (VEBC3)

You mean we aren't rolling in unicorns, or at least the horns, right now?

Posted by: steveegg at January 08, 2009 11:34 AM (LvEFt)

The problem is the type of spending. Different types of government "investment" yeild different results.

R&D (6.2 - 6.3) spending leads to large, transformal payroll growth. Bricks and Mortar might lead totemporary, localized reductions in unemployment; but are not sustainable. Pure Science (6.1) and Education spending is a crapshoot. Improvements in the manufacturing sector come from increasing consumer disposable income; through rebates or tax cuts, that lea to durable goods purchasing. Housing is all about lending rates and practices.

If Obama wants to reward his base; the manufacturirng, education, and urban sectors he needs a package of tax cuts with some urban Bricks and Mortar stuff. He might as well bring in Jack Kemp to present it.

The transparency and no earmarks stuff is just cover, Congress will rip those off and dive in like hogs on a new bushel of apples.

Posted by: Jean at January 08, 2009 11:34 AM (L64A6)

Possibly complicating Obama and the Democrats plan, the Chinese don't seem so keen on continuing to play banker to us. Hmmm, I wonder why.

They don't have to like, but they'll keep on funding us like the crack whore bitches they are; China is export driven primarily by the US consumer market - the moment they stop funding us, the buying capacity drys up (and no more purchase of cheap Chineese goods), thereby China's economy fails into a billion man civil war and their ruling elites swing from lamp posts.

They'll pay. They'll pay what ever the US tells them to buy. They can't say no at this point.

Paper tigers they are now. Expect them to whine bitch and moan all the while signing the checks to Uncle Sam. They may even try to rattle a sabre or two, but they'll blink.

Posted by: blogRot at January 08, 2009 11:34 AM (EKMxC)

17 Well I see none of the news agencies offered time for a Republican rebuttle as they did every time Bush gave a speech.

Posted by: Vic at January 08, 2009 11:35 AM (f6os6)

18 I love that Obama makes no mention of economic cycles as if the economy can ride high forever and any bad thing that happens is a result of the eeeeevil republicans and the Jooooos.

Posted by: MFn G I M P at January 08, 2009 11:35 AM (jyfTQ)

19 #11 Thanks, Vic. You saved me some time with your summary.

I'm off to Starbucks for a hemlock latte.

Posted by: George Orwell at January 08, 2009 11:37 AM (AZGON)

And trhat is a bad thing how? Just remember, it don't mean a thing if they ain't got that swing.

Posted by: steveegg at January 08, 2009 11:39 AM (LvEFt)

A trillion dollars in defense spending would be cool.

A trillion dollars for bridges in Montana/Ohio/Hawaii/West Virginia...not so much.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 08, 2009 11:39 AM (B+qrE)

22 Like the true Alinsky student he is Barak Hussein needs to manufacture and maintain a crisis.

Posted by: CUS at January 08, 2009 11:42 AM (wOGfT)

23 6. We will force through the new �smart grid� (a code name for building more high voltage lines so CA and NY can get power from cheaper areas and not have to build new plants). The utilities will pay for these lines so the rate payer will pay for them.

This is so Californian. The not-in-my-backyard state, on the cultural and technological leading edge... that can't produce enough energy to run itself. No more refineries or nukes here. It's just like us to run extension cords across state lines at ridiculous expense. After all, it's so fucking important to build that high-speed rail line between LA and SFO. I'm sure that won't go overbudget or underused. We're neck and neck with Minnesota for winning Most Retarded State in the Nation Below Canada.

Posted by: George Orwell at January 08, 2009 11:44 AM (AZGON)

24 Looks like Putin is doing a pretty good job of manufacturing one for him in Europe.

Posted by: Jean at January 08, 2009 11:47 AM (L64A6)

Repeat of the same mistakes we made in the 30's. Until the TARP became a piggybank for everyone and it was improperly used, it was the right thing to do if you look at the proximate cause of the economic turmoil after the 29' crash.

Now we are just compounding the bastardization of TARP with the type of government intervention that history shows extended the depression. Also if Democrats and protectionist Republicans get their way regard to trade agreements, we will really be in for a tough time.

Businesses need to develop through capitalism, supply and demand and not through make work programs. A business friendly government atmosphere needs to be in place where people won't be totally adverse to taking risks.

That will make the downturn cycle the shortest it can be.

Posted by: polynikes at January 08, 2009 11:49 AM (m2CN7)

MSM chorus:

This is all Bush's fault. This is all Bush's fault. No other president-elect has ever had to inherit difficult times.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 08, 2009 11:54 AM (1Jaio)

My solution:

Three month income tax holiday - no payroll deductions for 1 full quarter. Easy to implement, no refund paperwork, etc. More cash in peoples pockets, less payroll to cover for struggling businesses means fewer layoffs, no big admin effort.

Of course people might get used to that bigger check and start asking hard questions about our tax policies : )

Posted by: Jean at January 08, 2009 11:55 AM (L64A6)

28 Maybe it's just me, but wing nut ears came across as a sophomoric, smart ass... he's kind of like the dog chasing after a car... he caught the car.. now what?

Posted by: bobaloo at January 08, 2009 11:58 AM (CoOYX)

29 Reparations masking as pork, sold as Stimulus, will do exactly nothing to revive the economy. It's all just Kenyan giveaway economics. And when did he say the trillion dollar deficits would end?

Posted by: bill-tb at January 08, 2009 12:01 PM (7evkT)

30 The dueling teleprompters are baaaack, and he stumbled over them, out of practice I guess, nothing new..

update here

Posted by: MiM at January 08, 2009 12:05 PM (XzmTl)

31 PEBO says we can no longer say Anything Goes, too bad I love Cole Porter...

blogrot- China may stop buying Treasuries as they fund their pown stimulus to keep their billions of populace in check......

Posted by: MiM at January 08, 2009 12:08 PM (XzmTl)

32 "Chinese don't seem so keen on continuing to play banker to us."

So this would make Bush the husband who maxes out the credit card just before handing it to the spendthrift new wife going on a shopping spree.

Posted by: geoffb at January 08, 2009 12:08 PM (dWDyC)

33 McConnell giving rebuttal speech now, concentrating on not funding states needs....they want checks on that .....he wants to make state funding a loan, wellll that wont help local taxpayers avoid tax increases which is the whole point of the state funding, to avoid tax increases on the consumers at the state level...

Posted by: MiM at January 08, 2009 12:09 PM (XzmTl)

34 and Mitch does his best Harry Reid kowtowing to PEBO impression, we are eager to work with PEBO, gag me.....

Posted by: MiM at January 08, 2009 12:10 PM (XzmTl)

35 Maybe China isn't able to float our debt anymore - their entire GDP is only slightly larger than California's.

Also, the poor monetary policy of Bush, Greenspan, and Snow immediately after
9/11 is going to exacerbate our problems now, and Paulson and Bernanke are even worse. Normally what happens after a market bust is that bad actors (stupid investors, greedy investors, weak investors, the whole gamut) get wiped out. That leaves only the strong and savvy, so the market is actually healthier.

By making money cheap (absurdly low interest rates) and printing extra money to give to investment firms, people who should have been diminished or wiped out in the tech bubble instead were still solvent, and they rolled their government-funded capital from one investment venue (tech) into another (housing and real estate). Not the tech businesses, mind you, but the investment firms and brokerages and banks - Goldman, Lehman, Merrill, Bear Stearns, BofA, Citi. So all of the "bad" money that should have been gone was instead sanctified and blessed and multiplied into real estate. Which is now busting. And withe very bailout, the bad actors simply have their sins absolved and move forward, instead of being knocked out of the market.

Of course, it will be only worse under Obama. You sow the wind and reap the whirlwind, but let's not pretend Bush didn't sow the wind. He didn't halt the recession from the tech collapse and 9/11. He delayed it. Monkeying with the recession now won't stop it; it will make the future much, much worse.

Posted by: Ella at January 08, 2009 12:10 PM (jeP9I)

36 Didn't we have this conversation back in 1940?
I think more people need history lessons.

http://newdeal.feri.org/survey/40b14.htm

Posted by: izoneguy at January 08, 2009 12:11 PM (3k9TU)

37 I'm calling today "Happy Thought" day.

Posted by: Ella at January 08, 2009 12:11 PM (jeP9I)

38 So this would make Bush the old congress the husband who maxes out the credit card just before handing it to the spendthrift new wife new congress for going on a shopping spree.

Posted by: billygoat at January 08, 2009 12:21 PM (WQqt3)

39 27

My solution:

Of course people might get used to that bigger check and start asking hard questions about our tax policies : )

Jean, you're making way too much sense...

Posted by: billygoat at January 08, 2009 12:25 PM (WQqt3)

And, like clockwork, whenever Obama opens his mouth about the economy the stock market goes down.

I still haven't figured out if this is really the money guys nervous about Obama or if this is manipulation on the parts of the money guys so the market is fairly low when Obama is sworn in and then voila, like magic he's in office and the stock market goes up.

Posted by: ParanoidInSeattle at January 08, 2009 12:29 PM (AJ4xq)

41 Don't tell me The One would use FEAR as a political tool. Isn't that what President Bush has been accused of since 9/11? Where's all that hopey changey stuff?

Posted by: GarandFan at January 08, 2009 12:33 PM (237hA)

#22, you nailed it........Alinksy-ite, Marxist, they're all the same. Paulson is cut from the same cloth too which is why he was told to manufacture the economic panic at the precise moment McPalin had a lead in the polls......create the crisis and public panic in order to consolidare power..... maintain the crisis, consolidate more power. Just look south to that fat fuck Chavez and that's what's in store here....a duly elected official/administration hell bent on fucking the whole country over for power...pure, unbridled power. And what it is....is pure evil.

Makes you also wonder just what Joe Biden knows is coming our way that we need to girds our loins.

Posted by: TheAdmiral at January 08, 2009 12:35 PM (7umsY)

43 European leaders (oxymoron) now calling for a New World Order. ummmmm..

Posted by: sickinmass at January 08, 2009 12:38 PM (/i4dU)

44 42 & 22 Interesting aside, as the Alinskist's grab power from the big Government Republicans, the American people do what -- buy guns and abandon the mainstrean media channels. Maybe the populace is smarter then Washington thinks.

Posted by: Jean at January 08, 2009 12:57 PM (L64A6)

45 #22, you nailed it........Alinksy-ite, Marxist, they're all the same. Paulson is cut from the same cloth too which is why he was told to manufacture the economic panic at the precise moment McPalin had a lead in the polls......create the crisis and public panic in order to consolidare power..... maintain the crisis, consolidate more power. Just look south to that fat fuck Chavez and that's what's in store here....a duly elected official/administration hell bent on fucking the whole country over for power...pure, unbridled power. And what it is....is pure evil.

Makes you also wonder just what Joe Biden knows is coming our way that we need to girds our loins.

You are exactly right. What do we do?

Posted by: Capitan Hope at January 08, 2009 12:59 PM (0eJbm)

46 31: they fund their pown stimulus

Please tell me you misspelled "porn"; that would be a stimulus I could get behind.

Posted by: Anachronda at January 08, 2009 01:03 PM (3K4hn)

47 Could Obama tell us too many times how bad our economy is??? I thought the Hopemiester was all about making us feel good, hopey and kinda changey. Now all the sick unicorns might die....

Posted by: ford at January 08, 2009 01:11 PM (Ki7fm)

48 I thought the Hopemiester was all about making us feel good, hopey and kinda changey.

Not until the 20th.

Posted by: Anachronda at January 08, 2009 01:14 PM (3K4hn)

From Pravda:

Today President-elect messiah announce that if all of his economic plans weren't passed and followed then the world will come to an end. The messiah, who is the most intelligent person ever, said that these are difficult times but he will save us all. This sent a thrill up the anus of every member of Pravda.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 08, 2009 01:41 PM (1Jaio)

He's doing everything he can to make sure that it not only lingers but grows into such a proportion that can never, ever be paid off. latest comment from him is how "dire the consequences are if something isn't done". What he fails to mention in that fear mongering to get his horseshit passed is-the dire consequences are he won't get his daily dose of megalomania fed. pretender elects realizes if nothing gets done, even his most feeble minded supporters will realize how pathetic and unprepared he is. Like a magician, he wants you too keep an eye on this particular scam so you don't see his other scams coming.

I wonder how many in the MSM that have niether the power or control over the ass covering being done for him are saying to themselves "WTF did we do sweeping everything u nder the rug for this guy". The to are equally screwed as the rest of us.

Posted by: Road King at January 08, 2009 02:01 PM (lFi0+)

51 This kind of nonsense keeps up and pretty soon we'll have a nice Tetrarchy to smooth things over.

Posted by: Andrew the Noisy at January 08, 2009 02:25 PM (V0QP1)

52 Actually the money quote has been and will be "Only Government can fix this". Hang onto your wallet because the government gets it's money from you, the taxpayer.

Posted by: Fred W Hailar at January 08, 2009 02:59 PM (MG/Xm)

53 Look at the bright side. Now we have a Depression of our own to shake at the grandkids...

Posted by: richard mcenroe at January 08, 2009 03:11 PM (ScoG3)

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Posted by: Spurwing Plover at January 08, 2009 04:38 PM (XE3S+)

55 52 Actually the money quote has been and will be "Only Government can fix this". Hang onto your wallet because the government gets it's money from you, the taxpayer.

"Only the government can fix this" is the equivalent of "I promise I'll pull out"

Posted by: kbdabear at January 08, 2009 04:55 PM (miw86)

I cringed when Obama, blessed be his name, said "only the government can save us." Duh, just like it did in the Depression? Or in the War on Poverty, or healthcare or how the Dept of Energy has solved our problems in 30 years and over three trillion dollars resolved our energy problems?

Government is the enemy. Obama is the antichrist.

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