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Coulter v. Lauer

Was this a load of crap from the get-go?

Drudge quoted an "insider" as saying she was banned for life. Was that true? Seems very dangerous to make that up.

Perhaps there's a middle ground: NBC did bump her due to breaking news, not intending to ban her, but then she blew up at the slight, and some insiders decided "That's it for Coulter." And then they backpedaled.


Posted by: Ace at 12:09 PM



Comments

1 Who else do they have to compete with Fox's eye candy?

Posted by: Jean at January 07, 2009 12:12 PM (xCBQ4)

2 It was a Publicity Stunt from the beginning, though they really could have decided to ban her at first because of the pressure fro George Soros' Media Matters group.

Posted by: The Deacon at January 07, 2009 12:13 PM (7eTzA)

3 I appreciate the fact that she refused to allow NBC and Co. to blame HER for their decision to "Ban her for life".

I

Posted by: Techie at January 07, 2009 12:16 PM (906oR)

4 It was probably a stunt, but it makes NBC look bad so I'm all for it.

Posted by: Matt at January 07, 2009 12:17 PM (ecpMe)

5

I'm so shocked!  Ann Coulter made a big fuss to draw attention to herself and her conveniently, coincidentally timed book release!

Who would ever expect such a thing from this paragon of virtue and tact.

Posted by: Quality Control at January 07, 2009 12:17 PM (TOk1P)

6 Bought the book yesterday at BJ's - yes, BJ's - because ... well, I'm on disability and it's cheaper there. I'll start reading as soon as I finish the newest WEB Griffin novel.

Posted by: Bruce at January 07, 2009 12:18 PM (rdFaW)

7 I'm not a big fan of Coulter but for the most part I don't care about her one way or another. I do wish she wasn't the person so many non-conservative, non-political people seem to associate with conservatism.

Yeah, she's popular with a good part of the base and that's fine but she is not the person I'd pick to the most well known conservative pundit. She isn't going to win many people over. Of course that's not her job (her job is to make herself rich by selling books and good for her for doing it) but I'm guessing on balance she hurts more than she helps in forums like this.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 07, 2009 12:18 PM (hlYel)

8

Will we have another flame war today between the Ann supporters and opponents?

 

As for the issue of whether the whole thing was a put up job or not only Matt Drudge can answer that since he is the one who started that banned for life shit.

Posted by: Vic at January 07, 2009 12:18 PM (f6os6)

9 Not a big fan of Coulters tactics. While I appreciate her thoughts and ideology, she is kind of a douche bag.

she isn't that pretty either, although I like her legs. If I were a single man I would gladly go down on her.

Posted by: Uniball at January 07, 2009 12:19 PM (27iEn)

10

Cassius Clay vs. Clay Aiken.

I love AC.  I'd drink her bath water.

Posted by: FUBAR at January 07, 2009 12:22 PM (GZyPB)

11 Why isn't everyone talking about me?

Posted by: Barry Obamuh at January 07, 2009 12:22 PM (ivZjP)

12

I'm so shocked!  Ann Coulter made a big fuss to draw attention to herself and her conveniently, coincidentally timed book release!

Who would ever expect such a thing from this paragon of virtue and tact.


Asshole. Ann didn't make a fuss - Drudge went with a story get got from sources INSIDE NBC, and NBC created the mess. If they really needed to run the Blair piece they put in Ann's alloted spot, all they needed to do was move it to a later slot. Done all the time. But no - they inserted other meaningless spots in her stead. Wonder why that was? Ya think they wouldn't give shithead Lauer a chance to preen before the cameras if it wasn't decided by upper echelons - as Drudge stated - to keep her off?

Quality Control for "Daily Kos"?

Posted by: Bruce at January 07, 2009 12:24 PM (rdFaW)

13 I'd dribble a basketball through a minefield just to hear her fart through a walkie-talkie.

Posted by: FUBAR at January 07, 2009 12:25 PM (GZyPB)

14
Since when is Perez Hilton breaking news?

The only douchebags are the ones who can't resist taking cheap shots at her at the mention of her name.

Listen up Coulter hatters!:

*Most conservatives like Coulter; they don't like you.

*Coulter is smart and witty; you are not.

*Coulter is good looking and she would never hit you if you were the last men on earth.

Posted by: A Plover In Every Pot! at January 07, 2009 12:25 PM (wFYko)

15 Will we have another flame war today between the Ann supporters and opponents?

Well, hell yea.  Why not.

I love Ann Coulter.  Not because of her politics or ideology.  Not because of her looks.  Not because of her legs.

I love Ann Coulter, because she's a total bitch.  I like that in a woman.  It's a curse.

Posted by: SlaveDog at January 07, 2009 12:26 PM (H6Jyg)

16 hatters = haters

Posted by: A Plover In Every Pot! at January 07, 2009 12:26 PM (wFYko)

17 Whatever. She still ripped the balls off the Chia Pet. She toys with dunces like Lauer. Does anyone take him seriously?

Posted by: JWF at January 07, 2009 12:27 PM (29kbu)

18 Drew: Yeah, her job is making money and writing books. Her marketing pitch is brassy tantrum-chick. It's this latter that bothers most people about her, liberal and conservative. WFB made a mint by making conservatism seem appealing to all comers, and actually converted folks to the GOP; she alienates otherwise reasonable people who could be won to conservatism by being a shrill, off-putting provocateur who takes pleasure in sowing discord where there's already plenty.

The GOP would be better on the whole if she weren't in our tent, in the same sense that we'd be better off without a Michael Savage. Because we don't purge, though, I routinely hold my nose and take satisfaction in the fact that at least Ann and I have common ideological enemies.

Posted by: railwriter at January 07, 2009 12:27 PM (XcsD4)

19

she alienates otherwise reasonable people who could be won to conservatism by being a shrill, off-putting provocateur who takes pleasure in sowing discord where there's already plenty.

Screw the people who don't base their politics on logic.  And she's definitely NOT shrill.

I'd eat the beans out of her shit.


Posted by: FUBAR at January 07, 2009 12:30 PM (GZyPB)

20 I regard NBC and Drudge as "Main Stream Media"  Or maybe Super Market Checkout Stand Reading) and trust  neither.

Posted by: Larry Sheldon at January 07, 2009 12:31 PM (OmeRL)

21  

Oh, Wower can go on and one about how the MSM is supportive of the nuclear American family, yet the same people are always, always, always harping on and on and on about fucking gay marriage and alternative families.

He is a fucking lying sack of shit.

Posted by: Senator, Advisor Rev. Dr. E. Buzz Miller at January 07, 2009 12:31 PM (ZSDVz)

22 Screw the people who don't base their politics on logic.
Posted by: FUBAR at January 07, 2009 12:30 PM (GZyPB)

So, we'll put you down as a member and send you our newsletter.


Posted by: The Committee to Keep Conservatives Out of Power Forever at January 07, 2009 12:32 PM (hlYel)

23

Ann was interviewed by Hoda and Kathy Lee a few minutes ago.  At least, I think it was an interview.  Ann was talking but all I could hear from the other two were yips and barks.

Posted by: huerfano at January 07, 2009 12:34 PM (knHvu)

24

I watched this at the gym this morning without sound and read the closed-captions. Do yourselves a favor. Watch the video without sound.

The bitch-slappiong body language is awesome.

And for my likin's, Coulter needs to eat a lot more pizza.

Posted by: Gunslinger at January 07, 2009 12:35 PM (7FA9S)

25 whatever, Coulter haters.  You guys are just scared of a tough woman.  I mean, I get it that she acts like Julia Roberts (I personally believe that her portrayal of E. Brockovich was really her being her own bitchy self), but she's our Julia Roberts.

And, Treason was a good book.  Some of her books were just cashing in.  Deal with it.  She puts in a good amount of intellectual and researchical fire power into her writing, even though she also throws in a little snark and bitchiness.

The failure to defend Anne because she is too mean is more of the same Mackerel and Bush-like desire to be oh-so sweet to a group of people that have an insane hatred towards you. Anne at least has the ball to appreciate that her beliefs are worth defending and to not take insults with dignity and turning the other cheek, but to fire back.

Good jab at NBC, btw, anne, for their exploding truck news report that they had to retract.


Posted by: joeindc44 at January 07, 2009 12:35 PM (QxSug)

26 and meanwhile, let's not forget that the left's intellectual reservoir is an acidic lake of snark, ignorance, and personal attacks by talentless morons.
From Margaret Cho to Michael Moore to Jon Stewart, these guys and girls get away with all sort of ugliness.  They just never get called on it and noone puts on a pretend fainting spell after hearing it either.

Posted by: joeindc44 at January 07, 2009 12:37 PM (QxSug)

27 Say, where is this Swaziland Ms. Coulter is talking about. Do they have liberals there, too?

Matt Lauer is one gifted interviewer. Really looked in his element. He couldn't book some hollywood drifter who had something bad to say about conservatives?

Posted by: GW Mclintock at January 07, 2009 12:37 PM (OaUQL)

28 It's kinda hilarious that people claiming Ann COulter isn't a douchey jerk all act like douchey jerks.

In the last thread, where made the banal observation that Ann isn't helping us as much as she's helping the left by being so ridiculous, the argument against my POV was that Ann could buy or sell me (so could Tom Cruise and Whoopi Goldberg).

Just lazy thinkers.  That's why they prefer Sean Hannity and Ann Coulter... some have only the vaguest idea of why they are conservatives, so they listen to people who don't challenge their views at all.

Obviously, this is a lot more common on the left than the right.

Posted by: Shill at January 07, 2009 12:37 PM (8jYMc)

29 joeindc4, you are exactly right that the left gets away with Ann Coulter style hate and silliness all the time.

That's a great indictment of the left, that many of them act like Ann Coulter.  How can you then claim that some people, who are more fair in their thinking (And therefore more likely to be conservative), find both the leftwing and rightwing Ann Coulters annoying only because they are afraid of her 'strength'?  That's obviously not my problem with her.

Posted by: Shill at January 07, 2009 12:40 PM (8jYMc)

30 whatever, Coulter haters.  You guys are just scared of a tough woman.

There are many worthy defenses of Coulter available.

This isn't one of them.

Posted by: Slublog at January 07, 2009 12:41 PM (R8+nJ)

31 Coulter is eye candy?  That's rough.

She's an embarrassment to conservatives.  Surely we can do better than her insistence on using "B. Hussein Obama"

Posted by: Dan at January 07, 2009 12:42 PM (f0JFT)

32 Sure Ann is abrasive.  Which is why conservatives who like her like her - she fights back.  And of course the media like to hold her up as the 'Queen of Conservativism' because they get to take sound-bites from her books/speeches (often out of context) and portray the conservative movement as racist, homophobic, rabid, etc.  It's an unholy embrace the media have with Ann - she gets to promote her best-seller books and make money, they get to portray Conservatism as they see it through their liberal perspective.  On the whole, I like Ann and I don't think she really harms Conservatism because liberals will hate anyone who isn't liberal, moderates are unreliable and if any of them were to seriously consider what Conservatism has to offer they won't let any of Ann's rough edges be the deciding factor - liberals have plenty of assholes in their corner to counter-act any effect Ann has.

Posted by: Bald Ninja at January 07, 2009 12:42 PM (4pdbX)

33 What makes this so great is how Rachel Maddow replaced her in the 7AM time slot the first time she got bumped.

Posted by: JerBear at January 07, 2009 12:42 PM (mzfP0)

34 In the last thread....

In the last thread, you were a certifiable asshole. You left that part out.

Posted by: A Plover In Every Pot! at January 07, 2009 12:42 PM (wFYko)

35 There are many worthy defenses of Coulter available. This isn't one of them.
Posted by: Slublog


The fact that many men attack women who intimidate them is worthy of being pointed out.

Posted by: A Plover In Every Pot! at January 07, 2009 12:45 PM (wFYko)

36 Not a big AC fan, but she does make me laugh sometimes. I like that she really gets under liberals' skins but I do think she probably turns off a few people who might be tempted to the dark side.

Posted by: Farmer_Joe at January 07, 2009 12:45 PM (z4es9)

37 Look, the right has many voices.  We can have the pussy, cheek turners like Bush and Mackerel who refuse to even engage in a defense of our basic ideals.  We can have extremely talented guys like Rush who are nonetheless niche artists because they don't make the rounds.  We can also have our share of people that aren't afraid to mix it up. 
If Anne misbehaves, then we should try to be intellectual sound enough to criticize her, but to say oh dear, pointed barbs makes baby jesus cry is simply an emasculation of our side.  Because, sure as shit, the otherside has no problem ignoring their own filth.
And, no, this isn't a, the-other-side-is-mean-and-we-need-to-be-too argument, it's simply stating that she has a voice we need.

Posted by: joeindc44 at January 07, 2009 12:45 PM (QxSug)

38 #31 - B.Hussein Obama - that is his name is it not?  Hussein is a very common name among Kenyan Muslims and if we are truly as progressive and post-racial as everyone seems to think, why can't I call him President Barack Hussein Obama? BTW - Most folks abroad in Malaysia and Indonesia (they adore him there) refer to him as Hussein Obama.

Posted by: IC at January 07, 2009 12:46 PM (jZNCU)

39 The fact that many men attack women who intimidate them is worthy of being pointed out.

And you know for a fact that this is why some on this blog don't particularly care for Coulter?  If not, then it's simply a meaningless rhetorical device used to legitimize contrary opinions.

Posted by: Slublog at January 07, 2009 12:48 PM (R8+nJ)

40

Yes we all saw how successful “being nice” and “crossing the aisle” was for the pussyfied Republicans in 06 and 08. The fact is that if the Republican Party would grown a pair And act like real conservatives we wouldn’t need Ann Coulter.

Posted by: Vic at January 07, 2009 12:48 PM (f6os6)

41 Pah, meant to say make contrary opinions seem illegitimate.

Posted by: Slublog at January 07, 2009 12:49 PM (R8+nJ)

42 and meanwhile, let's not forget that the left's intellectual reservoir is an acidic lake of snark, ignorance, and personal attacks by talentless morons.From Margaret Cho to Michael Moore to Jon Stewart, these guys and girls get away with all sort of ugliness.
Posted by: joeindc44 at January 07, 2009 12:37 PM (QxSug)

I'm not sure Stewart belongs on that list. Yes, he skews way left but he is enough of a mainstream performer to play reasonably broad.

As for Moore...no shit (no one knows who Cho is). And don't you think Republicans have had a lot of success running against Michael Moore at times? That's the point, people who play exclusively to the base aren't the people you want as the face of the movement in general.


Posted by: DrewM. at January 07, 2009 12:49 PM (hlYel)

43 The fact that many men attack women who intimidate them is worthy of being pointed out.

Are you playing the 'sexism card' on behalf of Coulter? Any attack or more accurately stated disagreement with Coulter is automatically based in her gender?

Don't worry guys, Coulter has thicker skin than you do on her behalf.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 07, 2009 12:54 PM (hlYel)

44 whew, ok, now that we got that out of the way, I guess I will buy her new book.

Posted by: joeindc44 at January 07, 2009 12:55 PM (QxSug)

45 I'd eat her till her head caved in.  I know you read this Ann.  Really, Id do it!

Posted by: MAJHAM at January 07, 2009 12:57 PM (WvC5A)

46

Seems like most conservative critics of Coulter oppose her disproportionate attack against the other side.

Posted by: polynikes at January 07, 2009 12:58 PM (m2CN7)

47

Look haters, don't you understand that we are supposed to be the party of perfect tolerance (i.e. the Doormat Party), so that the progressives like Michael Moore can set the agenda and don't get their feelings hurt?  Look at how many times Johnny McComity set the example us by praising his opponent, apologizing for people who criticized him, and refusing to bring up sordid things like his racist spiritual mentor.  Gosh, don't you feel proud of how well we take it on the chin and politely ask for more, while admitting it probably is all our fault anyway.

Is there a political equivalent to battered wife syndrome... perhaps Battered Party Syndrome!?

That's why I like AC... she doesn't put up with the excrement the MSM likes to shovel out and call truth, like so many of our "leaders" do.

Posted by: Blago at January 07, 2009 01:03 PM (FsbnY)

48

I'm not sure Stewart belongs on that list. Yes, he skews way left but he is enough of a mainstream performer to play reasonably broad.

DrewM., I'm not following your point there.  What do you mean by that?

Posted by: Matt at January 07, 2009 01:05 PM (ecpMe)

49 Goddam sock puppets!  Blago was me.

Posted by: sherlock at January 07, 2009 01:06 PM (FsbnY)

50

Seems like most conservative critics of Coulter oppose her disproportionate attack against the other side.

I think for most its the fact that her disproportionate attack is to go nuclear.  Might win the argument but for everyone looking on its not getting their support and possibly turning them the other way.

Posted by: buzzion at January 07, 2009 01:06 PM (Lrsi6)

51

I love her bitch slapping NBC.  Drudge NEVER had to retract a story!  Oh, Matt, hear that again, I never had to retract a story like NBC.

How you like me so far asshole?

We need more of this, not less.  It takes a 90 pound woman to teach the rest of the conservatives to man up?

Let's not forget THIS is a WAR.  We lost that last battle, it is not over.  We need to regroup, and charge ahead!

Kemp

 

Posted by: Kempermanx at January 07, 2009 01:08 PM (qvT/A)

52 Coulter has more balls than the entire RNC.  She rocks!

Posted by: BillyBob at January 07, 2009 01:09 PM (7HyI+)

53

Too bad that this did not end with Matt Lauer getting hit with a chair.

It's a good day when he gets hit with a chair.

A very dood day.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 07, 2009 01:09 PM (B+qrE)

54 Debate Coulter and her validity as a representative of conservatism all you want.  She is an author and entertainer, not the face of a movement.  Her books are her opinions and she keeps the money from the sales.  If you don't like her, don't buy her books and don't listen to her talk.  I read her stuff because she is funny and she makes good points about topics I care about and I enjoy watching her metaphorically stomp tools like Colmes and Lauer into the ground.

Posted by: huerfano at January 07, 2009 01:10 PM (knHvu)

55 I saw the interview.  She definitely kicked ass.  Shame the conservative politicians aren't more confident in their positions.  Conservatives need leadership in Washington and the state governors, besides talk radio and other commentators.

Posted by: Scoob at January 07, 2009 01:11 PM (sUe66)

56 Ace, I don't get the point of this post.  Why would you even consider taking Matt Lauer's word about whether a brazenly partisan "news" network might believably ban a provocative conservative, particularly one who comes out so aggressively against their beloved Barack Obama?

These guys are drunk on their own power right now; overreaching is likely to become routine, at least for the next couple of years.  They think they've vanquished conservatism because the squish version of the GOP's had its ass kicked for two elections in a row.

By the way, I downloaded the unabridged audio version of the book from Audible last night for $20.  It's always a little odd to hear another voice reading Ann's words, but it's pretty good so far.

Posted by: Kensington at January 07, 2009 01:11 PM (fhJCy)

57 Well put, Polynikes... and exactly on target.  Maybe we could get Lauer and a bunch of his compatriots to stage a Pallywood-style docu-drama of victims of Ann's rapier wit suffering agonizing attacks of the vapors?

Posted by: sherlock at January 07, 2009 01:12 PM (FsbnY)

58 OT:  Prager's debating the woman who wrote that he supports marital rape on his radio show right now.  There will be a podcast available later today, I'm sure.

Guess what?  She sounds like an imbecile.  Go figure.

Posted by: Kensington at January 07, 2009 01:13 PM (fhJCy)

59

By the way, I downloaded the unabridged audio version of the book from Audible last night for $20.  It's always a little odd to hear another voice reading Ann's words, but it's pretty good so far.

Kensington a link please!

Kemp

Posted by: Kempermanx at January 07, 2009 01:13 PM (qvT/A)

60 And you know for a fact that this is why some on this blog don't particularly care for Coulter? If not, then it's simply a meaningless rhetorical device used to legitimize contrary opinions. slublod

Did I say that? Do you know for a fact that is not why some people on this blog dislike her? Otherwise, your response is a meaningless rhetorical device when you had nothing intelligent to say in rebuttal.

Are you playing the 'sexism card' on behalf of Coulter? Any attack or more accurately stated disagreement with Coulter is automatically based in her gender?

I'm pointing out what I have observed in my professional life, i.e., strong women get targeted and have to put up with a lot of shit from guys who have the need to prove something.

Are you claiming that no attack on Coulter is based on anything other than disagreement and that gender is never a cause? Yeah, right.

Don't worry guys, Coulter has thicker skin than you do on her behalf.
Posted by: DrewM.


It seems only the Coulter haters are thin skinned.

Posted by: A Plover In Every Pot! at January 07, 2009 01:13 PM (wFYko)

61 Seems like most conservative critics of Coulter oppose her disproportionate attack against the other side.

Coulter = Israel.
Conservative critics = Hamas.

Posted by: A Plover In Every Pot! at January 07, 2009 01:15 PM (wFYko)

62

I think for most its the fact that her disproportionate attack is to go nuclear.

buzzion at January 07, 2009 01:06 PM (Lrsi6)

Got an example of going 'nuclear' or at least what I expect we will disagree on as being 'nuclear' ?  

Posted by: polynikes at January 07, 2009 01:18 PM (m2CN7)

63 Actually, re Prager and the imbeciles (there's also a "man" parakeeting the feminist's rape claim): it is less a debate than an evisceration so far.

Posted by: Kensington at January 07, 2009 01:18 PM (fhJCy)

64 Don't care one way or the other about her.  But long live free speech!  And that includes Dan Brown.

Posted by: katya at January 07, 2009 01:19 PM (oRJZj)

65 Not a hater, just don't care for her. Regardless of what many people believe, when it comes to furthering the conservative/libertarian cause there is such a thing as style points. You behave like Coulter and people will question weather your opinions and behavior are sincere or only to sell books.
Having said that, I would hunt for the mythical clitoris in Coulters dark and damp places, if given the chance, and I wasn't married.

Posted by: Uniball at January 07, 2009 01:19 PM (27iEn)

66 "22 Screw the people who don't base their politics on logic.
Posted by: FUBAR at January 07, 2009 12:30 PM (GZyPB)

So, we'll put you down as a member and send you our newsletter.


Posted by: The Committee to Keep Conservatives Out of Power Forever"

Give me a break, please.  AC is notable because she's one of the very few conservatives who'll fight back.

There are so many assholes on the Left, it's not funny.  Do they ever worry about chasing people off?  Uhm, no.  Are they out of power forever?  Err, no.

There's about 2.1 bombthrowers on the Right.  There are millions on the Left.  Doesn't seem to be hurting their popularity.

Posted by: FUBAR at January 07, 2009 01:20 PM (GZyPB)

67

i.e., strong women get targeted and have to put up with a lot of shit from guys who have the need to prove something.

As opposed to weak women who aren't being targetted because they aren't even trying to put themselves out there?  Could it be possible that the guys are criticizing her because she is actually putting herself out there, and they are treating her with an equality in mind i.e., "I don't like her methods so I will speak my mind about her the same as I would another guy."

Posted by: buzzion at January 07, 2009 01:21 PM (Lrsi6)

68 "Kensington a link please"

Dude, what am I, an Internet operator?  It's Audible.com, search for Coulter, Ann.   C'mon, make a little effort, heh? 

The $20 price is for members, although you can probably get it for free if you join (which can cost as little as $10 for an annual membership).  It's a good deal whoever you slice it, really.

Posted by: Kensington at January 07, 2009 01:21 PM (fhJCy)

69 john mccain is abrasive as well, although primarily to his fellow Republicans and people who vote for him.  at least she points her abrasiveness in the right direction rather than sticking it to her fellow repubs.  in terms of attracting votes by attacking you own, could someone please ask president elect mccain how that worked for him?

Posted by: ed at January 07, 2009 01:22 PM (Urhve)

70 DrewM., I'm not following your point there.  What do you mean by that?
Posted by: Matt at January 07, 2009 01:05 PM (ecpMe)

I meant that Stewart is clearly a liberal and his 'humor' skews that way but, he's also trying to reach a big enough audience that he's not going out of his way to piss off conservatives.

Stewart does his show in a way that conservatives can occasionally laugh and watch without wanting to kill him.  In other words, he's not Olberman.

One caveat...I haven't watched Stewart regularly in years so that may have changed.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 07, 2009 01:23 PM (hlYel)

71 Ann Coulter; she brings the groceries to the Party. And, she doesn't ask anybody to reimburse her.

Posted by: solitary knight at January 07, 2009 01:25 PM (mcJsR)

72

Ann sure isn't going to help the GOP's outreach efforts to moderates and minorities.

Posted by: Tinian at January 07, 2009 01:27 PM (Ohodx)

73 Coulter = Israel.
Conservative critics = Hamas.
Posted by: A Plover In Every Pot! at January 07, 2009 01:15 PM (wFYko)

Wow, January 7th and we already have the Dumbest Comment of the Year winner.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 07, 2009 01:27 PM (hlYel)

74

Ann sure isn't going to help the GOP's outreach efforts to moderates and minorities.

The GOP tried that with McCain and look what that got us.

Posted by: katya at January 07, 2009 01:28 PM (oRJZj)

75 I've stopped watching Stewart, but my impression of him is that he runs out and attacks people but then hides behind the "I'm just a comedian" shield.  I stopped watching because his attacks were all one sided, clearly informed by BDS. 

Posted by: joeindc44 at January 07, 2009 01:28 PM (QxSug)

76

Back to the overarching point of the Coulter / Lauer face-off:

 Who had the prettier dress -- Ann or Matt?

Posted by: monsoon at January 07, 2009 01:29 PM (Fyntg)

77 I think Ace is saying that Anne is responsible for Drudge's reporting. 

And, surely, gasp, we can't have a self-promoting author. 

Posted by: joeindc44 at January 07, 2009 01:29 PM (QxSug)

78 I'm pointing out what I have observed in my professional life, i.e., strong women get targeted and have to put up with a lot of shit from guys who have the need to prove something.
Posted by: A Plover In Every Pot! at January 07, 2009 01:13 PM (wFYko)

Please, Coulter gets targeted because she throws things at people and then jumps up and down saying, "I did that, I did that, come and get me!!!!" And if they don't 'target her' she does it again only with bigger stuff and louder.

Her greatest fear in life is not to be a 'target'.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 07, 2009 01:29 PM (hlYel)

79 Matt L. is a little lost puppy full of himself. Ann= Pitbull II..and a pretty one at that.

Posted by: sickinmass at January 07, 2009 01:30 PM (/i4dU)

80 Obligatory I'd hit it post.

Posted by: Unclefacts at January 07, 2009 01:30 PM (M+Vfm)

81 Could it be possible that the guys are criticizing her because she is actually putting herself out there, and they are treating her with an equality in mind i.e., "I don't like her methods so I will speak my mind about her the same as I would another guy."

No. If you haven't notice that the criticisms of her in this thread are pathetic and if they were directed at a guy, they would be laughed at.

Posted by: A Plover In Every Pot! at January 07, 2009 01:30 PM (wFYko)

82 Wow, January 7th and we already have the Dumbest Comment of the Year winner.
Posted by: DrewM.


No, it was clever and topical. You would recognize it if you weren't so thin skinned. Go have yourself a good cry and you'll feel better.

Posted by: A Plover In Every Pot! at January 07, 2009 01:32 PM (wFYko)

83 Here's a workaround for the broken link:  take out the "l" at the end of the link.  It should end ".aspx"

Posted by: Kensington at January 07, 2009 01:33 PM (fhJCy)

84 Whoops, sorry, wrong thread!

But as for the central question of this thread:  yes, it was all a load of crap, but I still believe Ann.  The crap came from NBC.

Posted by: Kensington at January 07, 2009 01:34 PM (fhJCy)

85

If Ann Coulter is allowed on the channels owned by NBC Universal, then it's possible, just possible, that she's the twelfth Cylon.

Posted by: FireHorse at January 07, 2009 01:34 PM (5KNeJ)

86 BTW- if anyone who threw around the word 'hater' had me in mind, could you kindly point to anything I said on this thread that even remotely approaches 'hating' Coulter? Or have I slipped into some strange world where anything less than absolute devotion to her is 'hate'?

Posted by: DrewM. at January 07, 2009 01:36 PM (hlYel)

87

I can take Ann in small doses.  

But man did she hammer the liberal glorification of single moms.  LOVED IT.

Posted by: kevlarchick at January 07, 2009 01:38 PM (TNuqz)

88 72 Ann sure isn't going to help the GOP's outreach efforts to moderates and minorities.

We just got done trying that. Worked out REAL good for us didn't it.

Posted by: Unclefacts at January 07, 2009 01:39 PM (M+Vfm)

89

Please, Coulter gets targeted because she throws things at people and then jumps up and down saying, "I did that, I did that, come and get me!!!!" And if they don't 'target her' she does it again only with bigger stuff and louder.

Its only Jan 7th and we already have the most ironic post of the year winner.

Posted by: polynikes at January 07, 2009 01:40 PM (m2CN7)

90
Drew, you've turned into a big disappoint. Grow some balls and brains, please.

Posted by: Darling at January 07, 2009 01:41 PM (VA9X9)

91 "But man did she hammer the liberal glorification of single moms."

I would replace "glorification" with "fetishization", but yeah.  I've only gotten through that chapter so far, but it is devastating.  I expect most of the early response to this book to consist of shrieks from the Left that she hates poor women.

Posted by: Kensington at January 07, 2009 01:41 PM (fhJCy)

92

Ann sure isn't going to help the GOP's outreach efforts to moderates and minorities.

We just got done trying that. Worked out REAL good for us didn't it.

Posted by: Unclefacts at January 07, 2009 01:39 PM (M+Vfm)

I didn't say it was a bad thing.


Posted by: Tinian at January 07, 2009 01:43 PM (Ohodx)

93 DrewM., I haven't watched Stewart for years either, except I saw the one piece mocking Alan Colmes' retirement last month and it came off pretty mean-spirited to conservatives.  They were taking personal shots at Colmes for being an empty suit, but they got in some ugly lines-Colmes is "the only non-douchebag on the show," after a clip of Tim Pawlenty, he said "I should punch that guy in the face."  But like I said, I'm no expert because I never watch him.

Posted by: Matt at January 07, 2009 01:43 PM (ecpMe)

94

Got an example of going 'nuclear' or at least what I expect we will disagree on as being 'nuclear' ?  

Not really.  I'm merely applying your analogy of disproportionate attack.  Because it doesn't really seem that most of the critics are in disagreement with her or believe she is wrong.  So it would have more to do with methodology.  My reasoning of using 'nuclear' is because I believe if for instance the US were to have started dropping atomic bombs on afghanistan it would have turned more people away from the US than to them, while a more conventional disproportionate response wouldn't do that.

 

No. If you haven't notice that the criticisms of her in this thread are pathetic and if they were directed at a guy, they would be laughed at.

She's abrasive, is more of a hinderance than a positive in the promotion of conservativism, is more out for the promotion of herself and making money than in furthering conservativism as a whole, and the left likes to use her as a caricature to bash all conservatives, are all things that if they were directed towards a guy would be laughed at, huh?  Yeah sure.

Posted by: buzzion at January 07, 2009 01:44 PM (Lrsi6)

95 Tinian: so noted. I read it the other way. Blame a lack of coffee. Or alcohol. Your choice.

Posted by: Unclefacts at January 07, 2009 01:45 PM (M+Vfm)

96 Posted by: Matt at January 07, 2009 01:43 PM (ecpMe)

It'll be interesting to see what he does now that Obama is in power and the Democrats have control over everything.

Unlike the other late night guys, he relies exclusively on political humor. I don't think he'll get 22 minutes, 5 nights a week out of making fun of people who have zero influence over anything and will not have much visibility.

I'm sure he'll try but he's at risk if he tries to become a cheerleader for Obama when Obama won't have any Republican foils. My guess is that won't be as successful for him.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 07, 2009 01:48 PM (hlYel)

97 "I don't think he'll get 22 minutes, 5 nights a week out of making fun of people who have zero influence over anything and will not have much visibility."

I think there will still be plenty of visibility.  The Left is going to need scapegoats, particularly as their failures become self-evident.

Posted by: Kensington at January 07, 2009 01:53 PM (fhJCy)

98

I neither love nor hate Coulter.  She's an entertainer.  But I do like the fact that she has the balls to be entirely unpolitically correct and get right up in the grills of liberals and call them on their obvious bias and lies.  We sit and here and do it in a vacuum, Ann has the guts and yeah, talent even if you don't like the style, to do it with a national following.

Some of the stuff she does makes me cringe.  So what.  Some of the stuff lesser lights on our side of the aisle makes me cringe.  And much of the stuff our so called leaders makes me furious.  At least I don't have to worry what side Ann will come down on.

Plus, she's a Deadhead so that gets big marks with me.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 07, 2009 01:54 PM (VW9/y)

99 [This post fails to meet AoS editorial standards]

Posted by: icus at January 07, 2009 01:54 PM (Zvtms)

100 She's abrasive, is more of a hinderance than a positive in the promotion of conservativism, is more out for the promotion of herself and making money than in furthering conservativism as a whole, and the left likes to use her as a caricature to bash all conservatives, are all things that if they were directed towards a guy would be laughed at, huh? Yeah sure.

Definitely. She's promoting the book she wrote while on a book tour promotion. How dare her!

The left uses everybody as a caricature to bash conservatives. The problem is that she hits back and does so quite effectively.

And as far as furthering conservatism as a whole... have you quit your job to work for free promoting conservatism? If not, don't expect her to, pal.
And since most people can't even agree on what conservatism is, good luck. If anything, Coulter is one of the purists on that issue. Yet, she gets attacked because she allegedly doesn't attract the rinos and democrats. lol!

Posted by: A Plover In Every Pot! at January 07, 2009 01:55 PM (wFYko)

101
>>>Please, Coulter gets targeted because she throws things at people and then jumps up and down saying, "I did that, I did that, come and get me!!!!" And if they don't 'target her' she does it again only with bigger stuff and louder.<<<

We need more conservatives willing to do that. Not less. And, like Coulter generally, they need to do it in a funny but reasonably well documented way. That the only way to win in this media driven age.

Yeah, we'd all like a quiet debate where at the end libtards would smack themselves on the head and say "what the hell was I thinking?"

Look at John "Oldtard" McCain. Obama'd say the most ridiculous crap about the mortgage crisis being the Republican's fault and Nutless McCain would sit there with a sardonic smile on his face. My! How nuancey and subtle!

Whereas a humorous bitchslap followed up by statistics and facts would devestating to uh-uh-uh-Ob-now-wait a minute-uh-uh-Obama.

That Is in fact how you build support with the young. By mocking the beliefs of leftards and mocking them. By making them seem lame and uncool. It's worked for over fifty years for the left- why wouldn't it work for us?

More Coulter, Less McCain(nutlessness)

Posted by: rinseandspit at January 07, 2009 01:56 PM (ao5cQ)

102 So now we're worrying about what the fucking LEFT thinks of Ann?


Posted by: Unclefacts at January 07, 2009 01:56 PM (M+Vfm)

103

buzzion at January 07, 2009 01:44 PM (Lrsi6

I understand what you meant but for it to be a correct analogy there has to be an example of what you consider Coulter's 'nuclear' methodology as opposed to as you put it, a 'conventional disproportionate' methodology.

Posted by: polynikes at January 07, 2009 01:56 PM (m2CN7)

104
And here's the blog's cocksucker, icus, to quote a fraud from the fraud's fraudulent memoir.

Posted by: Darling at January 07, 2009 01:57 PM (VA9X9)

105

  I agree that Ann sticks her neck out there a bit more than a prudent person should, but the problem with that isn't so much what she says but the fact that damn few of the Media's "House Conservatives" are willing to back her up when the facts are on her side.

  And there's where she gets me:  The facts are usually on her side.  If the argument comes down to sizzle vs. steak, I'll take the steak every damn time.

  I don't think that every one of her critics is a misogynist, and I'll listen to their criticism with an open mind.  I'm just glad that Ann apparently doens't listen to their criticism.

Posted by: Russ from Winterset at January 07, 2009 01:59 PM (cdAdD)

106 Hey Icus, take that fraudulent rag written by a TERRORIST, and shove it page by page in your ass.

Posted by: Unclefacts at January 07, 2009 01:59 PM (M+Vfm)

107

No. If you haven't notice that the criticisms of her in this thread are pathetic and if they were directed at a guy, they would be laughed at.

True dat.  And from some of the same guys who gleefully call libs "cockholster" in the cozy confines of AoSHQ.  Fuck that.  If you're not prepared to say it to someone's face, don't act like you have a pair.  For example, I wore this shirt to the gym this morning and the girl at the desk got all pissy and said, "What is that supposed to mean?"  Self-explanatory, kitten.  Now gimme a towel and make me a fucking turkey pot pie while I get my swell on.

If the posters and commenters here had the audience that Ann Coulter does, would you be yourself or an NRO-style pussy who's worried about Peggy Noonan's disapproving gaze? 

Ann Coulter serves a purpose - energizing the base.  And HER readers get out and fucking vote.  Blame Noonan's readers for suppressing Republican votes.  If your fantasy is George Will tying you to the bedframe with his bowtie, fine.  I shit on you, but fine.  Ann Coulter is pulling freight for our team. How much do the country club conservalibs at NRO pull?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 07, 2009 02:00 PM (bu0Ek)

108

Jack Straw @ 98:  you wrote yours while I was writing mine @ 105.  Looks like we said the same thing only with different words.

 

Cool.

Posted by: Russ from Winterset at January 07, 2009 02:01 PM (cdAdD)

109

Feh.  As an aging childless female she may have issues with all moms, but knows that only single moms are an acceptable target.

Issues with ALL moms?   Dude, really. 

Posted by: kevlarchick at January 07, 2009 02:01 PM (TNuqz)

110

Who would by the memoirs of someone who's never done a thing in his life?

Present!  My Life and Times. 

Obama doesn't like Coulter?  That makes me like her.

Posted by: Eleven at January 07, 2009 02:02 PM (7DB+a)

111 We need more conservatives willing to do that. Not less.
Posted by: rinseandspit at January 07, 2009 01:56 PM (ao5cQ)

The old addage is 30% of the electorate is voting R no matter what, 30% is voing D no matter what and you have to win the other 40% to win natinoally.

I'm sorry but for all of Coulter's many talents and successes, she's not helping a lot with that 40% and even hurts somewhat. Again, it's not her job to help. That's my only point about her. I don't like that she is what a lot of people in that 40% group think of when they think of conservatives. That's simply a function of her success.

Does that really make me a Coulter hater?

Oh, you can all wirte about how you think we should screw that 40% but that's a temper tantrum, not a strategy for electoral victory.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 07, 2009 02:02 PM (hlYel)

112 Jeff, thanks for the link Awesome Shirt is Awesome, and ordered.

Posted by: Unclefacts at January 07, 2009 02:03 PM (M+Vfm)

113 "And here's the blog's cocksucker, icus, to quote a fraud from the fraud's fraudulent memoir."

It's hysterical.  He calls us "saps" who "fall for" things right before quoting from the biggest con artist fraud since Ponzi.

And then, as if they weren't enough, he perfectly demonstrates the validity of Coulter's "Guilty" premise by wrapping himself in one of the Left's favorite victim groups (single moms).

For the record, Ann's not attacking single moms personally or gratuitiously, but she argues convincingly (using lots of facts and statistics) that willful single motherhood has disastrous consequences on society and should not be celebrated and encouraged whilst demonstrating with example after example how the Left likes to do both.

Posted by: Kensington at January 07, 2009 02:04 PM (fhJCy)

114

Russ from W-

I love bacon so we he have that too.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 07, 2009 02:04 PM (VW9/y)

115

And here I thought you were talking about an equal comparison plover.  I didn't realize that my standing as a commenter on a blog was equivalent to Coulter's standing as a best selling author that gets television appearances.

If there were a guy out there doing what Coulter does, I believe he would get the same amount of negative views from conservatives, and even more from liberals since that joke comment about what calling Edwards a certain name, would have ended a guy's career.

A guy would receive the same criticism here, though I doubt you would be attempting to defend that guy by claiming something like: "Coulter is good looking" as you did in your defense of her.

Posted by: buzzion at January 07, 2009 02:06 PM (Lrsi6)

116 absolutely, ann coulter should be more appealing to everyone, kind of like a cross between norm coleman and john mccain. 

Posted by: ed at January 07, 2009 02:07 PM (Urhve)

117
Empire of Jeff made me of a think a question: Say you're scheduling guest speakers for a political conference. Would you rather invite Ann Coulter or Peggy Noonan to speak?

I think most if you, if you're being honest, would answer Peggy Noonan. And that's a damn shame. You'd take the safe option and choose Noonan. Admit it; you would.

Posted by: Darling at January 07, 2009 02:07 PM (VA9X9)

118

  Drew, I think you've got a point there with the 30/30/40 math, but what portion of the undecided vote do you REALLY think bases their vote solely on their disgust over Ann Coulter going too far?

  Now, if EVERYONE on the Republican side of the aisle were to act like Ann 24/7, that might work to turn off a significant portion of the base, if they said something that was blatantly untrue or flagrantly unfair.

  My theory on undecided voters who say things like "I was going to vote for (insert generic (R) here), but when Ann Coulter said that thing on Hannity and Colmes, I decided to vote for (insert generic (D) here) as a protest."?

  They really weren't all that "undecided" in the first place.  They just needed an excuse. 

Posted by: Russ from Winterset at January 07, 2009 02:08 PM (cdAdD)

119 Posted by: Darling at January 07, 2009 02:07 PM (VA9X9)

Depends on the venue.

If it's CPAC, I'd take Coulter. Nothing wrong with firing up the base.

If it's a forum of undecided voters I wanted to convince to become conservatives, I'd pick Noonan circa 1986. If my choice were Coulter or today's Noonan, I'd book somebody from American Idol and hope for the best.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 07, 2009 02:10 PM (hlYel)

120 Fuck Peggy, no seriously fuck her.


Posted by: Unclefacts at January 07, 2009 02:10 PM (M+Vfm)

121

Icus quoting Obama on Coulter. Delicious.   Obama's man tits couldn't even begin to fit in Coulters law school bra.  When she was the editor of the Michigan Law Review she wrote peer reviewed papers.  She doesn't have to hide her grades from her undergraduate school, Cornell, where was cum laude.  She didn't do half ass legal work when she graduated and let people think she was a full time law professor. 

Posted by: polynikes at January 07, 2009 02:11 PM (m2CN7)

122 Here's a prediction.  Whatever you think of Coulter today, after a couple years of the MSM tonguebathing The One you will be dying for someone like Coulter to be brash, forceful and unapologetic about calling the MSM on their crap.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 07, 2009 02:12 PM (VW9/y)

123 @111

DrewM,

I don't think you're a hater. I believe your assessment is wrong.

Coulter draws so much fire because she is a one and only. Not because her method is wrong.

Imagine a lot,hell, imagine twenty funny/ballsy entertainers calling bullshit on the libs and mocking them fearlessly AND able to get regular gigs on the MSM. That alone would get more people to our side.

Coulter's polarizing only because unfortunately she's unique.

The "look at the nutty chick being nutty" ploy of the left because she's the only one saying it has certainly worked for you. But the real defense is more successful Coulter-types, not fewer.

Posted by: rinseandspit at January 07, 2009 02:14 PM (ao5cQ)

124 With all the cries of "Resistance" and "Wolverines" on our part, isn't that what Coulter is doing? 

Posted by: katya at January 07, 2009 02:14 PM (oRJZj)

125 I'm sorry but for all of Coulter's many talents and successes, she's not helping a lot with that 40% and even hurts somewhat. Again, it's not her job to help. That's my only point about her. I don't like that she is what a lot of people in that 40% group think of when they think of conservatives. That's simply a function of her success.

Does that really make me a Coulter hater?

Oh, you can all wirte about how you think we should screw that 40% but that's a temper tantrum, not a strategy for electoral victory.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 07, 2009 02:02 PM (hlYel)

BZZZZZZZZT!!!  Dead fuckin' wrong, Drew.  The problem over the last 20 years is that liberals have been allowed to define conservatives.  And they have been tremendously successful at doing so.  Conservatives are old, white, male, square, rich, greedy, selfish, planet-raping assholes.  Turn on any channel.  It's in the zeitgeist.

And it happened while firebrands from the left screeched and jumped up and down like fucking howler monkeys, pissing all over the conservative brand - Completely. Fucking. Unchallenged.

Ann Coulter does what they do - she defines liberals.  Their worldview is immature, selfish and dangerous, and the actions they have taken to grab and maintain power are reprehensible.  So what's wrong with bashing them over the head with a fucking shovel?  I'm not saying that's the only tool in my truck, but it's a valuable one. 

Why don't you step back a bit - you're standing on her dick and that makes it harder for her to cockslap liberals like they so desperately need to be cockslapped.

 

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 07, 2009 02:15 PM (bu0Ek)

126

I understand what you meant but for it to be a correct analogy there has to be an example of what you consider Coulter's 'nuclear' methodology as opposed to as you put it, a 'conventional disproportionate' methodology

I was merely giving a possible view of why some people aren't in favor of her disproportionate attacks.  You yourself claim that is exactly what she does.  I'm looking more at "why" as opposed to "when."  I'm personally not really a fan of Coulter because her voice and laugh tends to annoy me, so I don't watch her on tv.  And political books aren't what I want to spend my additional free time reading so I don't read her books.  When I do catch blurbs of her writings or on tv I do tend to agree with her, but I can understand why others might be getting turned off by her methodology.

Posted by: buzzion at January 07, 2009 02:16 PM (Lrsi6)

127 but what portion of the undecided vote do you REALLY think bases their vote solely on their disgust over Ann Coulter going too far?

Russ,

Close to zero. The point I'm trying to make is I've had the experience of talking to some people who are in that 40% and when they think of conservatives many have thought of Coulter and they don't like her (or what they think they know about her based on a lot of negative media).

Now data is not the plural of anecdote but the fact is Coulter is the most visible conservative pundit and many people who pay attention to politics 3 months every other year or every four years, equate her with Republicans/conservatives and a lot of them don't like her. That's not good for the party or the movement.

I've never said she's bad for the conservative base, I just I wish she wasn't the most visiable conservative pundit in the country because her style isn't geared to winning people over. Ultimeately that's not the goal of an author but it is the goal in electoral politics and of poltical movements.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 07, 2009 02:16 PM (hlYel)

128
Where did A Plover go?  You're doing magnificent, bro.  Keep on.

Posted by: WonderWartHog at January 07, 2009 02:17 PM (LVT6e)

129 buzzion, I don't know what you are talking about most of the time. You're all over the place. As a blog commenter, who are you to say she can't promote her book on a book tour? As far as Edwards goes, Lord knows we never heard a joke regarding his sexuality before Coulter! Oh, no! Tell that to Ingram, Malkin, Ace, etc.

And I said Coulter is good looking as a response to the ad nauseum comments regarding her looks that are mandatory when her name gets mentioned. How many guys get called skanky? Seems like a double standard.

Posted by: A Plover In Every Pot! at January 07, 2009 02:20 PM (wFYko)

130 "What portion of the undecided vote do you REALLY think bases their vote solely on their disgust over Ann Coulter going too far?"

In a similar vein, a hardcore Leftist acquaintance told me prior to the election that McCain's choice of Sarah Palin finally pushed him irrevocably into supporting Barack Obama.  He claimed that he would have been okay with McCain but Palin was far too much of an extremist.

Mind you, this guy is a self-described Leftist who places himself in that magic 40% center because the Democrats aren't Left enough for him.  He also advocates Communism all but in name.  I didn't believe for one second that he seriously entertained supporting John McCain.  I don't think he was lying, mind you; I just don't think he was being honest with himself.

Posted by: Kensington at January 07, 2009 02:20 PM (fhJCy)

131
Drew, if we've learned anything it's that we should never compromise our principles. The biggest problem we have in the GOP is that our message has become mixed and incoherent.

Fuck the big tent. Tell the American, unapologetically, about Conservative ideals and let them decide to join us or not to join us.

There's nothing wrong with saying you're for small government, low taxes, elimination of social programs, deregulation of industry, impartial judicial system, marriage between a man and woman, a mother and a father for every kid, and a strong military for peace and security.

That's it. There's no reason to pander to anyone to get votes.

Posted by: Darling at January 07, 2009 02:20 PM (VA9X9)

132
Drew,
Reagan appealed to more than Republicans, based on his principles and fearlessness.  He was good for Conservatism, So's Annie C. for the same reasons.  Oh, wow, she scares off chicken shits; can't have that.

Posted by: WonderWartHog at January 07, 2009 02:20 PM (LVT6e)

133 The problem over the last 20 years is that liberals have been allowed to define conservatives. More like 50+ years ago. The conservative caricature was well established by the late 60s.

Posted by: geoff at January 07, 2009 02:21 PM (ppbFp)

134 You'd take the safe option and choose Noonan. Admit it; you would.

I'm good with that. While they are listening to the Nooner, me and Anne will grab a booth in the bar and toss down a few.

Posted by: A Plover In Every Pot! at January 07, 2009 02:22 PM (wFYko)

135
A Plover In Every Pot appeared almost at the same time Remember the Kat-Mo disappeared. Coincidence?

Posted by: Darling at January 07, 2009 02:25 PM (VA9X9)

136 ...but I think she's on the way out the MSM door, yesterday's news, yesterday's harridan.

The retard MSM always says this -- usually around the time she releases another best-selling book.

Predicting the demise of conservatives is a cottage industry on the left, but it's mostly just wishful thinking. They keep saying Ann (or Rush or whoever) is on the way out, but it's mostly myths they need to reassure themselves with.

Posted by: OregonMuse at January 07, 2009 02:25 PM (FO+YO)

137 As far as the 40% -- every 8 years or so, it swings. You can't do much about it. It's just the way it is.

Posted by: A Plover In Every Pot! at January 07, 2009 02:25 PM (wFYko)

138

I just I wish she wasn't the most visiable conservative pundit in the country because her style isn't geared to winning people over

How would you know, Drew?  That last time we "won people over" was in 1980 and 1984 with crushing landslides from Ronald Reagan doing exactly what Ann Coulter does:  defining liberals as the foolish assclowns that they are and contrasting it with solid conservative principles.

Sure, he used less hyperbole, but he took after liberals with a sharp fucking stick, let's not kid ourselves.  So now her style isn't geared to winning people over?  Horseshit.

Playing to the middle has been the biggest recipe for failure in the last two election cycles and only having a hot war kept Bush from losing to Kerry.  And the one before that was a squeaker almost dropped to a fucking insane man.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 07, 2009 02:25 PM (bu0Ek)

139 The problem over the last 20 years is that liberals have been allowed to define conservatives.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 07, 2009 02:15 PM (bu0Ek)

I'd argue the problem with conservatives is that over the last 10 years elected conservatives became big government advocates almost indistinguishable from big government liberals.

I don't think the media created image of conservatives is remotely our biggest problem. Our image problem was the same in 80 and 94 and that was before talk radio, FNC and the internet. We have far more communications tools now than before and yet we've virtually disappeared from government.

Quite frankly in a world of unlimited spending, regulations and bailouts* approved on Republican/conservative watches, we have a substance, not image problem.

Coulter is neither our biggest problem or best solution.


*Full disclosure, I reluctantly supported the original bank bailout.  I did not and do not support these other industry bailouts.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 07, 2009 02:25 PM (hlYel)

140

ABC Radio News just ran a story about how teen pregnancy was on the rise for the first time in years.

Why, they asked, was it on the rise?

ABC answered their own question with some expert who opined "Well, with things like Bristol Palin, Juno and [I forget what else he said] it makes it look like teen pregnancy is okay".

I wonder if he'd had brought up Bristol (who is going to marry the father) or Juno (a film about choosing adoption over abortion) if they had chosen to abort in stead of give birth to their babies

And no mention of the liberal victory in the culture war, early sexualization of girls, etc.

Posted by: Tinian at January 07, 2009 02:27 PM (Ohodx)

141 Posted by: Darling at January 07, 2009 02:20 PM (VA9X9)

Then enjoy being in the minority forever.

Look if you are a true movement conservative you have to make peace with the fact you are by definition outside the mainstream of politics. No pure conservative or pure anything can be anywhere but on the edge.

The goal is to keep the middle as far to our side as possible.

For example, if you only want Senators with 90%+ ACU Lifetime in the Republican caucus, the fact is you will only ever have 10-12 Republicans in the Senate. How's that advance conservative ideals and policies?

Don't compromise principles but be prepared to compromise on policy at some point or you aren't in the game, just screaming from the cheap seats.

American political parties have to be big tents. It's the way the system is set up...to keep things within a relative range.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 07, 2009 02:31 PM (hlYel)

142 I bet Maverick doesn't like Ann Coulter.

If you don't like Ann, you might be a John McCain Republican.

They hate her because she speaks the truth about them.  To the left (and their enablers), that's the worst possible crime.

I like her because she offends all the right people.

Posted by: tsj017 at January 07, 2009 02:31 PM (TBwnU)

143
A lot of people are put off by Ann cause she's got guts.  That conservatives could be afraid of her is bad enough, but I sure as hell hope they are not threatened by her intelligence.  Anyway, like A Plover says, (paraphrasing) a man can be a brawler but a little blonde woman can't be.  That's crap, we should be applauding her guttiness. And the fact that she scares off the wishy-washies is just gravy.

Posted by: WonderWartHog at January 07, 2009 02:31 PM (LVT6e)

144

I'd argue the problem with conservatives Republicans is that over the last 10 years elected conservatives Republicans became big government advocates almost indistinguishable from big government liberals.

FTFY.

Quite frankly in a world of unlimited spending, regulations and bailouts* approved on Republican/conservative watches, we have a substance, not image problem.
*Full disclosure, I reluctantly supported the original bank bailout.  I did not and do not support these other industry bailouts.

I agree with that, but then again, that makes YOU part of that substance problem.

Coulter is neither our biggest problem or best solution.

But she is part of the solution.  The problem is RINOs and wobbly "conservatives" who jump at liberal solutions when the going gets rough to make it look like they're "doing something."

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 07, 2009 02:33 PM (bu0Ek)

145

What I say:

 

When I see Ann Coulter or Sean Hannity Barry baying shuttering and bumbling across the television screen, I find it hard to take them him seriously; I assume they he must be saying what they do primarily to boost book sales or ratings he does to bullshit the braindead of this country into believing empty slogans, although I do wonder who would spend their precious evenings with such sourpusses be that fucking stupid to believe any of the stuttering bullshit that comes out of his mouth then remember all of the braindead Oprah followers and other assorted mindless wonders in this country.

 

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 07, 2009 02:34 PM (1Jaio)

146
It went up from 40.5% to 41.9%. You can blame this on black and hispanic teens in southern states. How many of them do you think went to see Juno or know who the hell Bristol Palin is? What bullshit!

Posted by: A Plover In Every Pot! at January 07, 2009 02:35 PM (wFYko)

147 [This post fails to meet AoS editorial standards]

Posted by: icus at January 07, 2009 02:35 PM (Zvtms)

148

buzzion, I don't know what you are talking about most of the time. You're all over the place. As a blog commenter, who are you to say she can't promote her book on a book tour?

Where did I say she isn't allowed to promote her book?  You're the one equating me to her in promoting conservatism.  And I was only using that as an example of the criticism of Coulter.  Are you really going to say that no one here has ever been critical of a male conservative because they are more about promoting themselves than conservative causes? 

As far as Edwards goes, Lord knows we never heard a joke regarding his sexuality before Coulter! Oh, no! Tell that to Ingram, Malkin, Ace, etc.

And they cracked the jokes on television when?  If it was a guy that had done what Coulter did in that situation it would have severely damaged him and likely have been career suicide.


And I said Coulter is good looking as a response to the ad nauseum comments regarding her looks that are mandatory when her name gets mentioned. How many guys get called skanky? Seems like a double standard.

Who has called her skanky here?  Or even close to that?  Most negative comments about her looks I've seen minus the trolls have come after multiple comments about how smokin' hot she is and not used as a reason not to listen to her.  Do you want to talk about all criticisms of her, or just those that are being brought up here?  Because I'm talking about criticisms brought up here, none of which would be laughable if used against a guy.

Posted by: buzzion at January 07, 2009 02:36 PM (Lrsi6)

149
Drew, then tell me how Bush won again in 2004?

He took the opposite approach McCain did in 2008 and Bush stomped on Kerry.  If you remember, Bush never gave an inch to Kerry, it was Kerry who was forced to Rightward.

McCain, on the other hand, kept going towards the Left and wound up in the middle. Obama stuck to his guns, stayed on the Left, and forced McCain to blink and move to the Left.

Moral of the story: The Middle is for losers.

Posted by: Darling at January 07, 2009 02:36 PM (VA9X9)

150 Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 07, 2009 02:25 PM (bu0Ek)


Regan made conservatism something to aspire to. Liberals were misguided people to be won over when possible, compromised with when necessary and mocked when appropriate.

They were were never evil and out to destroy the country. Yes, he pointed out their policies were wrong and could be dangerous. Most importantly, unlike G.W Bush, he called them on it but he never impugned their motives or denigrated them.

He was the most optimistic politician in my lifetime, the Obamassiah included.

I think the difference is, a polemicist like Coulter wants to destroy liberals (and don't get me wrong, that has its place), successful politicians like Reagan want to sell conservatism. There's a difference.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 07, 2009 02:37 PM (hlYel)

151
Suck on this Icky,
Ann Coulter was nationally known long before Bam Bam and will be a mover and shaker long after he limps off into the sunset.  And you and I will always be never rans.

Posted by: WonderWartHog at January 07, 2009 02:38 PM (LVT6e)

152 Anyway, like A Plover says, (paraphrasing) a man can be a brawler but a little blonde woman can't be. That's crap, we should be applauding her guttiness. And the fact that she scares off the wishy-washies is just gravy.

WWH: They don't even let her speak. They ask her a provocative question and then talk over her so she can't be heard. I've seen this done to her time and time again. I don't see this done to men on most talk shows. I've seen this done to Coulter and other women.

Ladies: Take voice lessons. Learn to speak extremely loud (I think it's a gut thing) so you can talk over the twits that are trying to silence you.

Posted by: A Plover In Every Pot! at January 07, 2009 02:40 PM (wFYko)

153

The left sure thinks Ann is damaging to conservatives, they have her on all the time.  I don't see the MSM calling Sowell up as the face of conservatism.

Posted by: Mighty Mick at January 07, 2009 02:41 PM (kOQDM)

154 Posted by: Darling at January 07, 2009 02:36 PM (VA9X9)

You aren't going to get me to defend McCain. I had plenty of fights around here with McCain supporters (btw-thanks guys!) arguing you need to be as far right as possible so when the inevitable compromises come you wind up right of center. McCain started in the middle so any comromises he made moved everything left.

As for Bush, you also aren't going to sell me that he was a hardcore conservative's dream candidate.

Was the Medicare drug plan a move to get the middle or conservatives? How about No Child Left Behind? Or all the Ag and Highway Bills he signed?

As for hammering someone, I'm not an idiot, politics is a full contact support. I don't think you win by being Mr. Fluffy, but I do know you attack your opponent, not the voters themselves.


Posted by: DrewM. at January 07, 2009 02:43 PM (hlYel)

155 Not to mention that Coulter couldn't get into Harvard Law.

So fucking what?  Is Harvard Law something other than the Rosetta Stone of Doucheness?  Do you think Bill Gates sits up all night despairing "I'm incomplete because I didn't get into Harvard Law"?  What unbelievable stupidity.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 07, 2009 02:43 PM (ZW5eD)

156 Posted by: A Plover In Every Pot! at January 07, 2009 02:40 PM (wFYko)

Just to shut up your sexist nonsense, I'd take Coulter over that fool Michael Savage any day.

If he ever becomes the leading conservative pundit, I assure you I'd be leading the charge to put Coulter back up there if that was my only other choice.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 07, 2009 02:44 PM (hlYel)

157

ABC answered their own question with some expert who opined "Well, with things like Bristol Palin, Juno and [I forget what else he said] it makes it look like teen pregnancy is okay".

Don't they count teen pregnancies based on births of children to teen mothers?  How is it that a girl who the world didn't find out was pregnant until the end of August making it look like teen pregnancy is okay causing the increase?  He'd have had a better argument if he used Britney Spears' younger sister as his example, but that wouldn't allow him to get his jab in.

Posted by: buzzion at January 07, 2009 02:44 PM (Lrsi6)

158
28 It's kinda hilarious that people claiming Ann COulter isn't a douchey jerk all act like douchey jerks.

In the last thread, where made the banal observation that Ann isn't helping us as much as she's helping the left by being so ridiculous, the argument against my POV was that Ann could buy or sell me (so could Tom Cruise and Whoopi Goldberg).

Just lazy thinkers.  That's why they prefer Sean Hannity and Ann Coulter... some have only the vaguest idea of why they are conservatives, so they listen to people who don't challenge their views at all.

Obviously, this is a lot more common on the left than the right.

Shilly is still sulking about this.  What a crybaby.  I copied his post because it was the closest this verbose jackass can get to brevity.



Posted by: WonderWartHog at January 07, 2009 02:51 PM (LVT6e)

159 icus at January 07, 2009 01:54 PM (Zvtms) -

When I see Obama blathering away on tv I likewise find it hard to take him seriously, and I have to wonder what kind of moron falls for fatuous empty promises with no basis in economic reality.  Turns out to be half the country.  And apparently, you.

To quote O Brother, I guess the hard times flush the chumps.

Posted by: Kerry at January 07, 2009 02:52 PM (a/VXa)

160 "I had plenty of fights around here with McCain supporters (btw-thanks guys!)"

For the record, I still think people should have voted for John McCain rather than sitting out the election, voting third party or voting for Barack Obama.

That said, when I got an email from John McCain a few minutes ago inviting me to join his new Country First PAC, I laughed and laughed and laughed before hitting the delete button.

Posted by: Kensington at January 07, 2009 02:53 PM (fhJCy)

161

Drew, I think you need a refresher on Reagan's philosophy and quite possibly some ideological spine-stiffening.  I recommend reading Reagan's "Time for Choosing" speech.

"They say the world has become too complex for simple answers. They are wrong. There are no easy answers, but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right."

Courage.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 07, 2009 02:54 PM (bu0Ek)

162 160-
Hear that.

Posted by: WonderWartHog at January 07, 2009 02:54 PM (LVT6e)

163 Posted by: Kensington at January 07, 2009 02:53 PM (fhJCy)

I should clarify that to be fights during the primary. I wound up voting for McCain in the general and despite much showering, I haven't felt clean since.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 07, 2009 02:57 PM (hlYel)

164

Plover:

I looked it up. From The Miami Herald:

The 2006 increase for teens 15-19 was from 40.5 per 1,000 to 41.9. The increases were greatest through the South and Southwest, and lowest in the Northeast.

Mississippi had the highest birth rate: 68.4 births per 1,000 teens aged 15-19. New Mexico and Texas trailed close behind.

From USA Today:

The federal data — largely from birth certificates — shows widespread statistically significant increases for 2006, the most recent year for which data are available.

...

Sarah Brown, CEO of the National Campaign to Prevent Teen and Unplanned Pregnancy, says she is less inclined to believe abortion is driving higher teen birth rates and suggests that increases in high-profile unmarried births in Hollywood, movies and even politics is a significant factor for impressionable teens.


"In the last couple of years, we had Jamie Lynn Spears. We had Juno and we had Bristol Palin. Those three were in 2007 and 2008 and not in 2005 to 2006, but they point to that phenomenon," she says.


So preggers teens can see into the future.

Who knew?

Posted by: Tinian at January 07, 2009 02:57 PM (Ohodx)

165 Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 07, 2009 02:54 PM (bu0Ek)

Dude,

Please tell me you didn't just compare Reagan's "A Time for Choosing" with anything Ann Coulter has ever said or written.

And no, that's not a knock on Coulter but come on man, "A Time For Choosing" is practically holy writ.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 07, 2009 02:59 PM (hlYel)

166
Well, since Shill must be serving 'fries with that', I'll go do my chores...if I know what's good for me.  You see, I have no problem with beautiful, intelligent women telling me what to do.  I'm married, don't ya know?

Posted by: WonderWartHog at January 07, 2009 03:01 PM (LVT6e)

167 165 Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 07, 2009 02:54 PM (bu0Ek)

Dude,

Please tell me you didn't just compare Reagan's "A Time for Choosing" with anything Ann Coulter has ever said or written.

And no, that's not a knock on Coulter but come on man, "A Time For Choosing" is practically holy writ.
No, I compared Coulter's lack of compromise on priniciples to Reagan's lack of compromise on principles.  All the handwringing has been over her style - I am comparing the substance.    The substance that would never support a government bailout.   Sinner.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 07, 2009 03:04 PM (bu0Ek)

168 No, I compared Coulter's lack of compromise on priniciples to Reagan's lack of compromise on principles.  All the handwringing has been over her style - I am comparing the substance.    The substance that would never support a government bailout.   Sinner.

Fair enough.

FTR-I've never advocated compromising on principle. On policy yes, but so did Reagan, a lot. It's an occupational hazard for a politician in office.

As for his not compromising principles...he did sign tax increases you know. Now he did that on the theory he'd lower the deficit and get spending cuts (which as it turned out, not so much) but two principles were competing and he did compromise one.

So you know, let he without since cast the first nasty blog comment, or something like that.


Posted by: DrewM. at January 07, 2009 03:10 PM (hlYel)

169

  Is it just me, or is there some significant irony in Drew Fucking M. getting called out here for being too much of a McCain-esque RINO?

  Jesus, if you go back in the archives here at the AoSHQ, you'll find multiple instances of Drew (and me, but since I don't post as much as he does, he caught the majority of the fire) being called out as a defeatist for not drinking the McCain Kool-Aid.

  C'mon people:  He's not calling her a tranny.  He's just saying that she's a little more polarizing than what he'd like to see from one of the public faces of the Republican Party.  Actually, more accurately as a public face of the "Conservative Movement", but since the (D) party has an atmosphere poisonous to conservatives at this time the two are unfortunately linked...for now.  He's not calling for everyone to bend over & lube up like McCain is getting ready to do for the Dems.  There's one hell of a lot of "thoughtspace" between Coulter & McCain, and the perfect republican advocate would be found in this area.

  (of course, this "perfect advocate" would be one HELL of a lot closer to Coulter intellectually and publicly than they would be to McCain) 

Posted by: Russ from Winterset at January 07, 2009 03:12 PM (dyz/7)

170 Jesus, if you go back in the archives here at the AoSHQ, you'll find multiple instances of Drew (and me, but since I don't post as much as he does, he caught the majority of the fire) being called out as a defeatist for not drinking the McCain Kool-Aid.

Not to mention that Drew only voted for McCain after a few of us threatened to kill his dog and drink all his beer.

Sorry about that, Drew.  Passions run high during a campaign, you know.

Posted by: Slublog at January 07, 2009 03:29 PM (R8+nJ)

171

I'd argue the problem with conservatives is that over the last 10 years elected conservatives became big government advocates almost indistinguishable from big government liberals.

 

I would argue that they were never conservatives to begin with. The ones who did that are like that asshole Lindsey Graham who ran as a conservative Republican then crawled up McLame’s ass and became just another liberal sellout. The when he had a challenge in this past election’s primary he rigged the election so that it became difficult for people to vote for his opponent. Not to mention the fact that the polls in one of the heaviest populated districts were shut down due to lack of ballots.

 

I also do not buy into that 40% myth, or even 30% as I have also heard. I think that if you really could look at what people do instead of what they say you will find that there are probably only about 5% of the regular voters who flop around like the brainless maggots that they are. My belief is that the other 95% of the voters are either registered with one party or the other or are independents who always vote for the same party all the time.

 

The things that decides the election is NOT whether you can get that last brainless idiot to make up his or her mind, its whether or not you can turn out YOUR party’s voters. If the people who normally vote for your party stay at home because the candidate is a fuckwad sellout then you are going to lose.

 

The squishy Republicans have tried to run to that squishy mythological center twice now and lost both times. If they try it again, they will in fact cease to be a mainstream party and go the way of the Whigs.

Posted by: Vic at January 07, 2009 03:30 PM (f6os6)

172 Not to mention that Drew only voted for McCain after a few of us threatened to kill his dog and drink all his beer.
Posted by: Slublog at January 07, 2009 03:29 PM (R8+nJ)

Says the guy who reconciled himself to the same fate about all of 12 seconds before I did. Nice.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 07, 2009 03:33 PM (hlYel)

173

@111

"I'm sorry but for all of Coulter's many talents and successes, she's not helping a lot with that 40% and even hurts somewhat. Again, it's not her job to help. That's my only point about her. I don't like that she is what a lot of people in that 40% group think of when they think of conservatives. That's simply a function of her success.

your proof is what?

i'll side with substance over personality everytime...drew you're a fuckin rino


 

Posted by: ugly kid joe at January 07, 2009 03:35 PM (QOu25)

174 Thanks Russ.

Besides it's all good, at the end of the day we're all morons here.

For example when a guy says something that seems negative to me I know he's really saying, "If I were as well hung as you and had as powerful sperm as you do, I wouldn't be arguing with you". Similarly women are really saying, "please, please father my children".

But now that I think about it, Russ you seem to think that's not what they are saying at all. You think they really mean that stuff?

Oh well then, fuck the lot of you!

Posted by: DrewM. at January 07, 2009 03:42 PM (hlYel)

175 Not to mention that Coulter couldn't get into Harvard Law.

I'd count that as a plus.

Posted by: Unclefacts at January 07, 2009 03:42 PM (M+Vfm)

176 drew you're a fuckin rino

If Coulter worship is the sine qua non of conservatism, then I guess I am.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 07, 2009 03:44 PM (hlYel)

177

Drew, would it be fair to say that Coulter herself and the MSM's caricature of Coulter are two separate people?

I think you're spot on in thinking that the caricature of AC is helping drive the mushy middle away from Republicans, but since that persona is a creation of the MSM then it's a little unfair to blame her for what the media's Eva Braun fembot does to the conservative cause.

Posted by: Russ from Winterset at January 07, 2009 03:44 PM (dyz/7)

178 she alienates otherwise reasonable people who could be won to conservatism by being a shrill, off-putting provocateur who takes pleasure in sowing discord where there's already plenty.

Yes, we've taken the country by storm with Peggy Noonan tea party chatter. Annie Baby might be one of the few on the Right who realize that no matter how nice you play with the bile spewers on the Left, they're going to paint you as a monster who uses live puppies as skeet shooting targets. Annie Baby knows that when the opposing pitcher aims at your head, you run out and shove the bat up his ass, not say "well, I want to be classy"

Posted by: kbdabear at January 07, 2009 03:49 PM (miw86)

179 I'm pointing out what I have observed in my professional life, i.e., strong women get targeted and have to put up with a lot of shit from guys who have the need to prove something.

That must be why conservative men dumped all over Margaret Thatcher and Jeanne Kirkpatrick, then.

Oh, but wait, they didn't.

Posted by: Alex at January 07, 2009 03:51 PM (fgyj8)

180

  I think that part of the perception of Ann being too extreme comes from her willingness to go ANYWHERE to argue politics with ANYONE.  When you end up arguing foreign policy with noted intellectual D.L. Hughley on the Bill Maher show, sometimes the ugliness exhibited by your opponents gets attributed to you.  It ain't fair, but it's fact.

  I'm not saying that she shouldn't take the hard jobs, but her public persona is going to be affected by who she matches up with; and unfortunately for her (and the rest of us on the right), the typical strategy of most of the cable screamers is to try to outnumber & outshout her instead of outthink her.

Posted by: Russ from Winterset at January 07, 2009 03:52 PM (dyz/7)

181 Drew, would it be fair to say that Coulter herself and the MSM's caricature of Coulter are two separate people?

The caricature of her is worse than she is but I don't think she's fundamentally different on the Today Show then she is on Hannity.

As you note, I don't have a problem with her in the least. I think every movement needs firebrands and rhetorical bomb throwers. I just don't see it playing well outside of those who already agree with her.

Imagine if Olberman were the most well known liberal in the country. Would he win votes for anyone? Change any minds? No, he's a creature of the base. They eat him up

Now, I'm not comparing Olberman and Coulter, I'm just pointing out what plays to the base works beyond it.

I know Coulter doesn't get the softballs on these shows that everyone else gets but I watched the Today Show and Early Show apperances (and have seen her on Fox a ton). No one who isn't already a conservative watches her and says, "yeah, that philosophy is for me"...mostly because she doesn't sell conservatism, she sells beating up liberals. That's fine and fun buth the two aren't the same.

You know who is dangerous? Maddow. She's a thousand times smarter than Olberman (admitedly a low bar), she's not affraid of the 'other side' and is willing to have differing views on her show. They are starting to move her out beyond the MSNBC echo chamber and her approach will draw support.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 07, 2009 03:55 PM (hlYel)

182 Says the guy who reconciled himself to the same fate about all of 12 seconds before I did. Nice

15 seconds.

And that was some damn tasty Kool-Aid.

Posted by: Slublog at January 07, 2009 03:59 PM (R8+nJ)

183

"I don't think she's fundamentally different on the Today Show then she is on Hannity."

  True, but at least Hannity will let her complete a sentence so that's she's not as likely to be taken out of context.  Everytime I see her interviewed by Matt Lauer or his ilk, it's like a Minnesota Senate Recount.  They want to hear what she says, right up 'til she utters a couple of words that they can twist around.  Then they stop listening.

 

Liberal Flack:  "So Ann, do you really think that liberals all hate America?

Ann:  "Well, when you say liberals hate America...

Liberal Flack:  "WAIT A MINUTE, DID YOU JUST SAY THAT LIBERALS HATE AMERICA?  HOW DARE YOU, MS. COULTER!  HOW DARE YOU!"

Posted by: Russ from Winterset at January 07, 2009 04:07 PM (dyz/7)

184

Plus, Maddow's a chick.  The minute someone starts to get the best of her intellectually, it'll be that scene in "Stripes" where John Candy's finally fighting back against the lady mud wrestlers.

 

  "You HIT me!  And I'm a girl!"

Posted by: Russ from Winterset at January 07, 2009 04:10 PM (dyz/7)

185 Sorry, I can't give any credit to Coulter for "fighting back."  It's partially her fault in the first place we have to fight back.  When you have to defend yourself as a conservative against people taking the crap she spouts and holding it up as the conservative party line, there's not really much motivation to thank her.  She's one of the reasons conservatives have to be so defensive. 


Posted by: Dan at January 07, 2009 04:17 PM (f0JFT)

186 at least Hannity will let her complete a sentence so that's she's not as likely to be taken out of contex

Right but her style,  argument by ridicule, is the same. All TV is soundbites but Coulter doesn't go for a thoughtful argument if there's a catchy jab to be landed.

I don't think she's stupid by any stretch of the imagination.  My point is there are a lot of smart conservatives out there.  They however don't get the attention she does because they haven't developed a shtick or the persona Coulter has.

Getting noticed and being influential at the same time is a tough trick to pull off.

As I see it, Colter has passed up influential for noticed and God bless her for it. I don't get why holding the opinion pisses so many people off.


Posted by: DrewM. at January 07, 2009 04:21 PM (hlYel)

187 Posted by: Dan at January 07, 2009 04:17 PM (f0JFT)

That's a great point.

Remember the whole Justice Stevens and rat poison thing? Well, there's obviously a very legitimate issue about liberal judges and we need to convince people other than conservatives about how dangerous they are.

Except we never get to that point because we have to defend Coulter's "joke". Now people can say, 'oh fuck 'em if they can't take a joke' but how does that help build the case against activist judges?

You have to ask yourself, what's more important, the fucking 'joke' or judges on the Supreme Court?

Posted by: DrewM. at January 07, 2009 04:26 PM (hlYel)

188 The reason I like Ann Coulter, Mike Church, and Andrew Wilkow is that they understand our enemies are just that, our ENEMIES. The history of the last eight years should prove that negotiation and co-existence is Not Possible.

We're talking about people who think we belong in re-education camps, and our side has a "Please don't hit me again" mentality even when we DID control the White House and both houses of Congress. The mainstream GOP has an inexplicable compulsion to suck up to people that hate us.

If we don't start exposing the Left for what it is, and start counterattacking on all fronts, we are going to be a perpetual minority and then be a couple election cycles and executive orders away from ending up in the boxcars for "gun crimes" or "hate speech".

I don't know about you guys, but I'd rather have Ann Coulter on TV attracting attention, selling books, and proving what fools our opponents are rather than have to help kill a couple million people in American Civil War Part II.

Posted by: SGT Dan at January 07, 2009 04:29 PM (CrO2/)

189
She's one of the reasons conservatives have to be so defensive.

Gotta call bullshit on that one, Dan.  Liberals are the reason we have to be defensive.

Posted by: WonderWartHog at January 07, 2009 04:35 PM (LVT6e)

190

Plus, Maddow's a chick. 

Posted by: Russ from Winterset at January 07, 2009 04:10 PM (dyz/7)

 

 

Prove it.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 07, 2009 04:39 PM (1Jaio)

191

I don't know about you guys, but I'd rather have Ann Coulter on TV attracting attention, selling books, and proving what fools our opponents are rather than have to help kill a couple million people in American Civil War Part II.

I don't know, SGT Dan, I started to plump a little from reading that, to be honest.  But I'm with you.  No slack.

Because Fuck Them, That's Why.™

Look, to show there's no hard feelings, I'm sending everyone a bootleg copy of the movie Milk.  I promise Sean Penn gets shot and killed.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 07, 2009 04:40 PM (bu0Ek)

192
After the kicking we have taking since invading Iraq, we should be applauding anyone our side that has balls, even if that person happens to be chick.

Posted by: WonderWartHog at January 07, 2009 04:40 PM (LVT6e)

193

Ann is the best.  She writes about what she believes which isn't far from my principles.  Her books are based on jarring yet intuitively truthful observations.  She is more exotic than beautiful but very feminine which seems to clash monstrously with her pronouncements sometimes.  That clash is hilarious.  The world would be a better place if she and P. J. O'Rourke formed a team.  Speaking of which, has the moonbat Maher ever booked either on his dhimmi-fest?  Suspect the craven metrosexual wouldn't dare.

Posted by: iowavette at January 07, 2009 04:40 PM (0JTac)

194 on our side.  dammit.

Posted by: WonderWartHog at January 07, 2009 04:41 PM (LVT6e)

195 P. S.  Save the crudity for the Kos kids.

Posted by: iowavette at January 07, 2009 04:42 PM (0JTac)

196  
I promise Sean Penn gets shot and killed.

I love a happy ending.


Posted by: WonderWartHog at January 07, 2009 04:43 PM (LVT6e)

197 You know who is dangerous? Maddow. She's a thousand times smarter than Olberman (admitedly a low bar)

Every turd that drops into my bowl every morning is a thousand times smarter than Olbermann

Posted by: kbdabear at January 07, 2009 04:48 PM (miw86)

198
Ruined a good soundbite on that one post.  Think I'll go back to my chores before my wife gets home.

"Coz I'm the man around here until you get home."

Posted by: WonderWartHog at January 07, 2009 04:49 PM (LVT6e)

199

She's one of the reasons conservatives have to be so defensive. 

I respectfully disagree.  Most conservatives (even those in the public eye) are polite, respectful and rational, yet libs and the MSM take the few extreme conservatives and purposefully uphold them to represent us all.  Or yet they even (!) make things up about us.

I repeat, being quiet and rational has gotten us nada.  We know we are right.  Why should we be quiet about it?

Posted by: katya at January 07, 2009 04:52 PM (oRJZj)

200

#101, rinse and spit,

Hear, hear. The left has many, many voices of venom and hate which are so prevalent and loud that someone equivalent to Coulter on the left would be considered a "moderate" voice. 

Just last night Letterman noted that Laura Bush is writing her memoirs. Then he oh, so cleverly informed the oh, so sophisticated, hip crowd that it will be called "I'm With Stupid."

I've read several of Coulter's books and have seen her on TV, heard her on the radio numerous times. I've never seen or heard anything from her on cable or radio that was more nasty than Letterman's remark on a national, big 3 TV show seen by millions. Ann is considered polemic because she is a conservative spokesperson. If she were a leftist she would be right in the middle of the pack somewhere.

Now, I know we are supposed to be better than they are and the voice of reason. But having a few people who can come out with quick, hard, cutting humor with an edge to it that can provide a counterpoint to this stuff is a good thing IMO. Just as Osama Bin Laden said, people will always look for a strong horse. And after a while, if bullies and jerks aren't shamed (libs have no shame, it can't be done) or put firmly in their place; the person or group being bullied begins to look weak and pathetic instead of reasonable. And the bullies, mockers, jerks, whatever attract more and more (weak) people to join in, the longer it goes on.

Get in my face once and insult my family and belief system, I might ignore you, thinking I misheard you or that you weren't worth listening to. Do it twice, who knows, depending on the situation, I might buy you a beer so we can talk it over and see if I've misinterpreted something and if we can find some common ground somewhere. Do it three times and I might just ruin your day so it will never, ever happen again. Sorry for the lack of nuance and compassion and poor analogy, but we are way past the third time with the libs.

 

 

Posted by: RM at January 07, 2009 04:55 PM (XWJh5)

201 Plus, Maddow's a chick.

Posted by: Russ from Winterset at January 07, 2009 04:10 PM (dyz/7)


Ha, ha! That's like that tired old joke that Hanson is really just three boys, lol!

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 07, 2009 04:59 PM (iafWn)

202 My problem with Ann is that she quite often goes over the line with something off the wall outrages, just to generate instant Liberal outrage and media publicity. She sometimes gives the impression that its all about her, as opposed to conservatism.

She could stand to gain a good 15 pounds or so, too.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 07, 2009 05:02 PM (iafWn)

203 Alex:
That must be why conservative men dumped all over Margaret Thatcher and Jeanne Kirkpatrick, then.

Oh, but wait, they didn't.

How old are you?  They certainly did.  Not Reagan, of course, but he's not everybody.

Posted by: Kerry at January 07, 2009 05:07 PM (a/VXa)

204 Just last night Letterman noted that Laura Bush is writing her memoirs. Then he oh, so cleverly informed the oh, so sophisticated, hip crowd that it will be called "I'm With Stupid."

Letterman wants to use Obama's dick to floss that gap in his front teeth

Posted by: kbdabear at January 07, 2009 05:08 PM (miw86)

205 Posted by: Kerry at January 07, 2009 05:07 PM (a/VXa)

Who? Liberal guys, sure but the statement was conservative guys.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 07, 2009 05:17 PM (hlYel)

206 Ass was kicked - Thank You Ann!

Posted by: Zelda Starr at January 07, 2009 05:19 PM (OLbi5)

207 Lettterman is worse than Ann... so is Maddow and many others on the left.

It's not just the tone of Ann's argument that bothers many on the right... it's the timing and manner.  She simply isn't trying to help the cause.  She's great at making publicity and money for herself, but she has no problem harming GOP or conservative efforts to do so.  She helped John Edwards more than any other commenter ever has, and she knew she would.  She just comes across as completely insincere.  I honestly don't think she's even a conservative... just a clever entrepreneur.

Read her book critically... it's boring and trite... only pointing out the most obvious crap.  Utterly unconvincing unless you've already been convinced, and utterly uninformative unless you have been living in a cave.  She could do a much better job, and really nail the left, but she never does... it's always boring well known criticisms or off the wall anger that makes no sense (against people who are barely even disagreeing with her, half the time). 

I just think she's ineffective and gives liberals an easy enemy.  Of course, some find her to be brilliant and think her anger is a great way to inform the country.  But I just don't.

Posted by: Shill at January 07, 2009 05:26 PM (8jYMc)

208
207-
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Posted by: WonderWartHog at January 07, 2009 05:29 PM (LVT6e)

209 I'd crawl across two miles of rusty barbed wire and broken beer bottles NAKED just to sniff the tire tracks of the truck that carries Ann Coulter's dirty panties to the laundry!

I have a really good picture of her in my screen saver scroll and she catches my eye every time her picture pops up on the screen.

Posted by: RFA at January 07, 2009 05:31 PM (SI1K/)

210

Um, people who complain that Coulter is the "queen of conservatism" don't get it. Its the MSM who makes her that. If she wouldn't do it, they'd find someone else. Would you really rather have the MSM select some stammering NRO wimp as their queen of conservatism?

As far as I'm concerned, the worst thing about Ann Coulter is she's so entertaining to watch she improves the ratings of the MSM shows she's on. Ron Paul would never do that.

Posted by: klrtz1 at January 07, 2009 05:32 PM (Q5asM)

211 lol... it's hilarious that I bother wonderwarthog so much after I completely destroyed him in the previous thread.

I get it, warthog, you don't have a substantive argument, probably aren't even conservative, and it really pisses you off when I hammer that dumbass Ann Coulter over and over again.  You probably feel completely helpless.  While you pretend you are bored by what I say, every time I say something, you show up within 2 minutes.

I haven't even been at a computer for more than 20 minutes today... you must have been F5ing this thread for hours and hours waiting to see my name!

What a pathetic asshole.  Didn't you say you were unemployed?  I gave you some sincere unjudgmental advice about that.  Is it that advice which has made you this obsessed with me?  You're only harming yourself by being so angry with me...

Posted by: Shill at January 07, 2009 05:33 PM (8jYMc)

212 How old are you?  They [conservative men] certainly did [dump all over Margaret Thatcher and Jeanne Kirkpatrick].  Not Reagan, of course, but he's not everybody.

Old enough to remember, and name one.

As I recall, conservative men most certainly did not disown Thatcher and Kirkpatrick, two very strong and principled women who were never afraid to advocate their principles forcefully.

That's because those two women did not resort to vastly overselling and overestimating their intelligence (or their sex appeal, for that matter), or to presenting their principles in the form of cartoonish shock-demagoguery for the sake of substituting controversy for substance.  They simply told it like it was, and kicked ass and took names in the process, and never descended to the level of a shrieking, feces-flinging baboon, unlike Ann (but very much like Reagan).  Yes, the liberals were nasty as hell to them, but they're nasty as hell to anybody.  But the lack of any "get off my side" type behavior towards them like we have today for Ann puts the lie to the ridiculous argument that opposition to Ann must be because men are threatened by a strong woman ... the same rationalization, by the way, that Maureen Dowd gives for her not being able to keep a man.

We could really use a couple of dames like Thatcher and Kirkpatrick today.  Sadly, I don't know of any.  And don't give me that lightweight from Alaska: she isn't fit to carry Jeanne Kirkpatrick's water.

Posted by: Alex at January 07, 2009 05:33 PM (fgyj8)

213
Who's angry now, junior?

Posted by: WonderWartHog at January 07, 2009 05:34 PM (LVT6e)

214
ticka, ticka tick.  Oh how those little fingers can fly!!

Posted by: WonderWartHog at January 07, 2009 05:36 PM (LVT6e)

215 Would you really rather have the MSM select some stammering NRO wimp as their queen of conservatism?

No, I guess I wouldn't.  Ann is probably better than many alternatives.  In fact, it's not Ann I'm really complaining about, I guess, but really the MSM that would never tolerate a real conservative who makes persuasive arguments.  The MSM will only permit the wimps or the rage-fest.

Posted by: Shill at January 07, 2009 05:37 PM (8jYMc)

216
What a pathetic asshole.  Didn't you say you were unemployed?  I gave you some sincere unjudgmental advice about that.

Gee, thanks.  Good luck with the advise biz, Shilly,  every pissant needs an ant hill to piss from.

Posted by: WonderWartHog at January 07, 2009 05:38 PM (LVT6e)

217
In fact, it's not Ann I'm really complaining about

Calling bullshit on aisle 215...bullshit on 215

Posted by: WonderWartHog at January 07, 2009 05:43 PM (LVT6e)

218

Do you smell that?

Posted by: Russell Ziskey at January 07, 2009 05:44 PM (LlaBi)

219 Wonder, you are like many trolls in that merely getting a reply is a huge victory for you.  Bravo!   Your last several comments on here have had absolutely zero effort put into them.  No substantive argument, not even a point, really, except to highlight that you have nothing better to do than obsess over me.

that's cool... this is aceofspades, where I fully expect to be called any number of vulgarities and laugh at it.  Certainly not every comment has to have a point beyond 'fuck you, cockholster!'  But don't confuse your efforts for the cleverness of others.  At some point, it must become obvious even to you that you simply have no argument whatsoever.

But yeah, you managed to get a response to one of your little comments.  How exciting that must be for you, after wasting yet another day on the internet instead of out in the world accomplishing something.  Even the idiot waiter who screwed up my lunch earned a few bucks today.  He at least deserves respect for trying to make his way.

Now, I have to go for the day, but I'll be back tomorrow, so keep your F5 key ready and maybe you'll get another response from me... probably again the highlight of your day.  I promise, I sincerely feel sorry for you and will even say a stupid little prayer for you instead for my arteries after the steak/sex I have planned for the evening.

Posted by: Shill at January 07, 2009 05:45 PM (8jYMc)

220
The key word there, sport, is planned.  You couldn't have sex in a Nevada whorehouse with 500 dollars sticking out of your ass.  But don't let me run you off.

Posted by: WonderWartHog at January 07, 2009 05:49 PM (LVT6e)

221
Did Shilly just say he was going to have steak sex?

Most people use A-1 sauce, sport.


Posted by: WonderWartHog at January 07, 2009 05:51 PM (LVT6e)

222

Shill, i'm also calling bullshit on your "book review."  You didn't address a single point in it, just copy-and-paste generalities before you move on to your intellectual superiority, making YOUR post boring and trite.

Al Franken at least attempted to fisk her.  He at least deserves respect for trying to make his way, toolshed.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 07, 2009 05:52 PM (bu0Ek)

223
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Posted by: WonderWartHog at January 07, 2009 05:58 PM (LVT6e)

224

Um, people who complain that Coulter is the "queen of conservatism" don't get it. Its the MSM who makes her that. If she wouldn't do it, they'd find someone else.

Same with Sarah Palin.  And for 99% of America, the ones who tune in 1 week before election time, she was portrayed as dumb, uniformed, uninterested with a freaky deaky family and despite her popularity with many core conservatives, she has a very negative appeal with the larger voting public.  That's partially McCain's fault, partially the MSM and partially hers.

You, Shill, should know this better than anyone.  You, er, shilled for her from the day she was named and fought against the MSM even when she shot herself in the foot with dumbass things like "the real America" or horrid interviews.  Did the MSM help her?  Of course not.  Name a conservative they do?  But you adore Palin, a woman of some accomplishments and bash the hell out of Coulter who has many accomplishments because you like one and don't like the other.  That's fair.  But it doesn't give you the postion to same who is a true conservative and who isn't.

Some contribute to the cause in different ways.  One is an entertainer and one is a politician but they get treated the same by the MSM whenever they say something that doesn't meet their bar.  Ann reacts as an entertainer, which is just what she is, and Palin reacts like a politician, which is just what she is.  And if the test is which attracts more people to the party, not excite the base, you'd be hard pressed to prove that Palin's politcally correct way is any more successful than Coulter's.  Hell, given her huge popularity and duration of her career, you'd be hard pressed to prove that Palin does more to excite the base.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 07, 2009 06:00 PM (VW9/y)

225 Hey. I wrote something about Ron Paul. Shouldn't there be Ronulans here already explaining why I'm not a real conservative?

Posted by: klrtz1 at January 07, 2009 06:12 PM (Q5asM)

226 215 Would you really rather have the MSM select some stammering NRO wimp as their queen of conservatism?

They try convincing us that "nice" conservative doyennes like Noonan and Parker are the "conservative voices". You know, the ones who only shit on their own plates and tell us that it would be wonderful to take that Ivy League black schlong up the ass.

Annie could be all sweetness and manners, and they'd still call her a hatemonger for the sin of advocating conservative positions. She won't drop to her knees and open wide for the Obama money shot, that's why they hate her.

Posted by: kbdabear at January 07, 2009 06:12 PM (miw86)

227
after the steak/sex I have planned for the evening.

Damn, Shill, steak sex.  No wonder you were so chirpy. 
Right during the early bird special too.
Seems like a good way to get banned from Sizzler, but who am I to say.
Little hint, when someone says, "Man, I love steak", it may not mean what you think.
Also, it really isn't good manners to bring your own sauce.


Posted by: WonderWartHog at January 07, 2009 06:37 PM (LVT6e)

228
Shill,

Bone Appetit!

Hog.

Posted by: WonderWartHog at January 07, 2009 07:02 PM (LVT6e)

229 I promise Sean Penn gets shot and killed.

repeatedly?

Posted by: Unclefacts at January 07, 2009 07:03 PM (M+Vfm)

230 219 Wonder, you are like many trolls in that merely getting a reply is a huge victory for you.  Bravo!   Your last several comments on here have had absolutely zero effort put into them.  No substantive argument, not even a point, really, except to highlight that you have nothing better to do than obsess over me.

You're going to LOVE me then.

Posted by: Unclefacts at January 07, 2009 07:06 PM (M+Vfm)

231
And now ladies and gentlemen, he's rude, crude and types in the nude...he's the man with the facts...He's...UNCLE...FACTS!!!!!

Posted by: WonderWartHog at January 07, 2009 07:15 PM (LVT6e)

232

A lot of pussy Republicans resented the twinkle in Sarah Palin's eye as she twisted the knife.

I senseing a "Republican Pussy Pattern".

Note to Drew and others:  Check your balls, they may have retreated into your body cavity.

Ann is on TV for one reason. Ratings. People watch her. No interest, no interviews.

Besides, Who is the perfect Conservative (living)?

Fuck!

Posted by: Russell Ziskey at January 07, 2009 07:19 PM (LlaBi)

233 '27 Say, where is this Swaziland Ms. Coulter is talking about. Do they have liberals there, too?'

I had a couple of Swazilandese exchange officers in my Officer's Basic Course. If that country still exists, it's no thanks to them...

Posted by: richard mcenroe at January 07, 2009 07:24 PM (yIy7z)

234 It seems that a lot of the "damage" that Ann does to "the cause" is a result of  the fact that so many ostensible conservatives react to her jokes as if she'd just advocated eating aborted infant stew and topped it off by giving the Virgin Mary a Cleveland Steamer.  If they just shrugged and said "Well, that's Ann," it would probably change a lot.  It's the bleating and slavish adherence to Queensbury Rules from what should be, if not her supporters, at least not her detractors, that really lets the Left present her as Evil Incarnate. 

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at January 07, 2009 08:40 PM (LxjSI)

235 As an aside, it would be really fun to watch Ann and R. Lee Ermey team up sometime.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at January 07, 2009 08:41 PM (LxjSI)

236 Sorry, I can't give any credit to Coulter for "fighting back."  It's partially her fault in the first place we have to fight back.

Uh, excuse me, Dan, but conservatives always have to fight back. Ann understands this. You don't. She would prefer to take it to the enemy, and stick it to them good and hard rather than cower in a corner and ward off blows.

Look, we're not having some kind of platonic war of ideas with liberals. They could care less about our ideas. They want to destroy us, pure and simple. Ann understands this. Many conservatives don't. So she's not going to waste her time "debating ideas" with an empty liberal fucktard like Matt Lauer, but will instead try to expose his chickenshit bias, his liberal agenda, and above all, not let him define the terms of the debate by accepting the bullshit premises of his loaded questions. And I thought she did a pretty good job in that video clip. Hell, she practically pantsed the guy, and he didn't even notice it. What an idiot.

Posted by: OregonMuse at January 07, 2009 08:43 PM (XUV9W)

237 So she's not going to waste her time "debating ideas" with an empty liberal fucktard like Matt Lauer, but will instead try to expose his chickenshit bias, his liberal agenda, and above all, not let him define the terms of the debate by accepting the bullshit premises of his loaded questions.

Bravo!!!

Coulter, love her or hate her (I have mixed feelings) GETS this.

This should be the template for all conservatives ALL THE TIME with the media. You can be more polite about it, if that's your style, but the basic approach here is the winning strategy.

And central to this is that not only should you NOT concede their bullshit premises, you should NOT concede their legitimacy as fair arbiters of the truth.



Posted by: Warden at January 07, 2009 08:51 PM (QoR4a)

238

I promise, I sincerely feel sorry for you and will even say a stupid little prayer for you instead for my arteries after the steak/sex I have planned for the evening.

Say hi to Rosie and her 5 sisters for me

Posted by: kbdabear at January 07, 2009 09:06 PM (4gHqM)

239

In all the above comments I haven't seen any post about how Matt Lauer would ask Coulter a question and not allow her to answer.  He interrupted her repeatedly.  I hate it when the host talks over the guest.  He was as hostile with Coulter and Gibson was with Sarah.  This is how the libs work.  They try to  defang the conservatives and they show their contempt more with women than with men.

I like Anne Coulter.  I don't think she is abrasive enough.  I want her to tell the libs what they are.. Every time her name comes up on the righty blogs there are some eople who say in so many words she's not "nice".  She's not "polite".  Nice and polite to these people means let the libs walk all over you and use you like a doormat.  As a oister abive saud "we need a hundred just like her"..

Posted by: BarbaraS at January 07, 2009 10:15 PM (FsZI/)

240

@ Warden, Hog, Unclefacts, kdabear, OregonMuse, et. al...

Harumph! Harumph!

What you said.

Because Fuck Them.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 07, 2009 10:15 PM (bu0Ek)

241
Harumph!  Harumph!

Posted by: WonderWartHog at January 07, 2009 11:05 PM (LVT6e)

242

Of course its all a lie, NBC wouldn't distort or ban conservatives.  What would ever give you such a silly idea when they can employ people like

Matthews and Obermensch?

Posted by: Thomas Jackson at January 07, 2009 11:18 PM (0Qynq)

243 I didn't get a HARUMPH outta that man!

Posted by: Unclefacts at January 07, 2009 11:24 PM (M+Vfm)

244
Quick, give the governor a harumph!


Posted by: WonderWartHog at January 07, 2009 11:29 PM (LVT6e)

245 >>How old are you?  They [conservative men] certainly did [dump all over Margaret Thatcher and Jeanne Kirkpatrick].  Not Reagan, of course, but he's not everybody.

Alex:
>Old enough to remember, and name one.

Edward Heath.  Re Thatcher v. Palin, interesting article for you by John Sullivan:
http://tinyurl.com/wsj-thatcher

>As I recall, conservative men most certainly did not disown Thatcher and Kirkpatrick, two very strong and principled women who were never afraid to advocate their principles forcefully.<

Well conservative men didn't really *own* Kirkpatrick, since she was a Democrat till Carter.

>That's because those two women did not resort to vastly overselling and overestimating their intelligence<

Nonsense.  They couldn't have risen to their positions of influence if they hadn't made bank on their brains.

> (or their sex appeal, for that matter), <

Hard to oversell what you just don't have. 

>or to presenting their principles in the form of cartoonish shock-demagoguery for the sake of substituting controversy for substance.  They simply told it like it was, and kicked ass and took names in the process, and never descended to the level of a shrieking, feces-flinging baboon, unlike Ann (but very much like Reagan). <

You overstate your case.  Medea Benjamin--that's a shrieking feces-flinger.  The most unbalanced I've ever seen Coulter was in the aftermath of 9/11, when she called for the western world to forcibly convert Muslims to Christianity.  Over the top, but understandable under the circumstances.

>Yes, the liberals were nasty as hell to them, but they're nasty as hell to anybody.  But the lack of any "get off my side" type behavior towards them like we have today for Ann puts the lie to the ridiculous argument that opposition to Ann must be because men are threatened by a strong woman ... the same rationalization, by the way, that Maureen Dowd gives for her not being able to keep a man. <

She's got man-hands.  That might frighten the metrosexuals, I suppose.  In any case, that's not my argument; I merely take issue with the hagiography of Thatcher and Kirkpatrick.  It reeks of nostalgic revisionism like the gilding of Reagan's sacred memory. 

>We could really use a couple of dames like Thatcher and Kirkpatrick today.  Sadly, I don't know of any.  And don't give me that lightweight from Alaska: she isn't fit to carry Jeanne Kirkpatrick's water. <

On the other hand, Sarah Palin never formed a Young Socialist's club Unlike Kirkpatrick.

Posted by: Kerry at January 07, 2009 11:35 PM (NyiUS)

246 harumph!

Posted by: OregonMuse at January 08, 2009 12:24 AM (XUV9W)

247 Far too late to this thread, but shit, I'm not sure I'm popping out pearls of wisdom either.

Let's call a truce a truce.

How about we stop trying to kick people out of the movement for minor policy issues or marketing issues?

11th commandment anyone?

New standard: Vote with us, one of us.

Posted by: counter at January 08, 2009 12:29 AM (0xhgx)

248 240 -  harumph!

Posted by: kbdabear at January 08, 2009 01:11 AM (miw86)

249 In all the above comments I haven't seen any post about how Matt Lauer would ask Coulter a question and not allow her to answer. He interrupted her repeatedly. I hate it when the host talks over the guest. He was as hostile with Coulter and Gibson was with Sarah. This is how the libs work. They try to defang the conservatives and they show their contempt more with women than with men.

BarbaraS: check out post 152. I wasn't referring to the interview with Lauer, I didn't watch it. But I have seen this tactic used on her every other time I have seen her on television. But, you're right. Very few people seem to notice that they treat her like shit by denying her common courtesy. If they would try that crap on a guy, punches would be thrown.

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