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| Democrats and "Torture:" In for a Penny, In for a PoundYes, by all means, let us get to the bottom of who was responsible for this unconstitutional, illegal, barbaric regime of "torture." The briefings [about aggressive interrogation techniques of high-level Al Qaeda, including, specifically, waterboarding] were first available to the Chairmen and ranking Members of the Intelligence Committees. From 2003 through 2006, that gang of four included Democrats Bob Graham and John D. Rockefeller in the Senate and Jane Harman in the House, as well as Republicans Porter Goss, Peter Hoekstra, Richard Shelby and Pat Roberts. Senior staffers were sometimes present. After September 2006, when President Bush publicly acknowledged the program, the interrogation briefings were opened to the full committees. If Congress wanted to kill this program, all it had to do was withhold funding. And if Democrats thought it was illegal or really found the CIA's activities so heinous, one of them could have made a whistle-blowing floor statement under the protection of the Constitution's speech and debate clause. They'd have broken their secrecy oaths and jeopardized national security, sure. But if they believed that Bush policies were truly criminal, didn't they have a moral obligation to do so? In any case, the inevitable media rapture over their anti-Bush defiance would have more than compensated. Ms. Harman did send a one-page classified letter in February 2003 listing her equivocal objections to the interrogation program. She made her letter public in January 2008 after the CIA revealed that it had destroyed some interrogation videotapes. After lauding the CIA's efforts "in the current threat environment," she noted that "what was described raises profound policy questions and I am concerned about whether these have been as rigorously examined as the legal questions." Ms. Harman also vaguely wondered whether "these practices are consistent with the principles and policies of the United States," but she did not condemn them as either torture or illegal. This wasn't the only time a politician filed an inconsequential expression of anti-antiterror protest. Mr. Rockefeller famously wrote a letter to Vice President Dick Cheney objecting to warrantless wiretapping, but then stuck it (literally) in a drawer. Like Ms. Harman, only after the program was exposed did he reveal his missive to show he'd been opposed all along, though he'd done nothing about it. According to Mr. Goss, some Members at the time even wondered if our terror fighters were harsh enough as they tried to extract potentially live-saving information. Mr. Goss, who later served as CIA director from 2004 to 2006, told the Washington Post in 2007 that, "Among those being briefed, there was a pretty full understanding of what the CIA was doing. And the reaction in the room was not just approval, but encouragement."The article is about Democrats' likely push for "Truth Commissions" to get to the bottom of the "Torture Regime." As is common, Congress will be looking to scapegoat others for its own decisions. More at Hamilton, Madison, and Jay. Comments1
Just imagine the screeds of unintentionally hilarious stupidity that will emanate from Excitable Andi during such Truth Commmissions. He'll be so focused on the proceedings that he might forget, for once, to fuck his Beagle. Posted by: Sharkman at January 07, 2009 11:40 AM (69J41) 2
Ahhh, memories. This is where the Democrats did an about-face and went from mocking the Terror Alert Color Code System and demanding that we "connect the dots" to prevent future attacks to granting Geneva Convention rights to Al Qaeda and opposing interrogations. Posted by: Darling at January 07, 2009 11:41 AM (t9vIz) 3
Ace posting in the AM??? WTF?
Posted by: right at January 07, 2009 11:50 AM (EquV1) 4
I look forward to the Republicans asking Panetta at his confirmation what he knew about Clinton's rendition program of sending suspected terrorists to Egypt. Waterboarding would have been like a day at a water park compared to the techniques that the Egypt secret police use. Ok, I know they won't bring it up. But I can dream. Posted by: JackStraw at January 07, 2009 11:52 AM (VW9/y) 5
Who knows, maybe the Repubs will finally show some balls again. Maybe not Blago-sized balls, but at least HRC sized balls.
Posted by: In Exile at January 07, 2009 12:01 PM (NOk/i) 6
Look for more Democratic nuance. They were for it before they were against it.
Posted by: GarandFan at January 07, 2009 12:06 PM (237hA) 7
Wow, show trials already? Usually Dear Leader waits and consolidates his power before the purging.
Posted by: PJ at January 07, 2009 12:26 PM (fyFnu) 8
>" As is common, Congress will be looking to scapegoat others for its own decisions." We'll surely see some tortured logic here. Posted by: Speller at January 07, 2009 12:38 PM (2Hv5h) 9
Well if nothing else works, divert their gaze.
Posted by: bill-tb at January 07, 2009 01:56 PM (7evkT) 10
Man, you've got to be really careful. Imagine Rockefeller pulling the wrong letter from the drawer- the one that said he fully supported security measures and their secrecy. 'Top Democrat accidentally supports the President...'
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I buy car/home/boat/paternity insurance hoping I'll never need it...JStones issued himself an asshole policy, but never paid the premiums. Now he wishes to cash it in?..I had last weeks powerball numbers, but for got to play. Wish me luck at the 7-11
Posted by: hutch1200 at January 07, 2009 02:02 PM (yyXfK) 12
Before Christmas, Cheney said Democrats signed off on everything--sometimes asking for stronger measures. Not a peep, not one little peep, was heard from Democrats denying it. I promise you he has the tapes to back it up. If the Bush/Cheney Junta are war criminals, then so is all the Democrat leadership including Nuremberg Nancy. Good Germans shouldn't grandstand. Posted by: Noel at January 07, 2009 02:42 PM (4gHqM) 13
Boy, what a great way to encourage our counter-terror agents. Democrats: "Right, you do whatever you think is necessary to stop terror attacks. Interrogate terrorists throughly with all the methods we agree you can use. Try as hard as you can to prevent future terrorist attacks on American soil. If you are successful and prevent attacks for a period of 7 years or so, then we will not only not continue to support you, we will condemn and put you on trial for using the interrogation methods we said you could use. You could go to jail." Do these people even understand the concept that actions have consequences? Posted by: BattleofthePyramids at January 07, 2009 03:00 PM (8cDlN) 14
First, waterboarding ain't good enough. I've dreamed up additional methods during periods of road rage good enough to separate Nancy from her jet. Second, if the 'Pubs don't now give as good as they've been receiving during these hearings, I'll join my better half as an Independent, regardless of the craven and unprincipled position that reflects.
Posted by: iowavette at January 07, 2009 04:48 PM (0JTac) 15
You know, there's only one means of interrogation to make a torturer confess...
Posted by: comatus at January 07, 2009 05:11 PM (CMi/T) 16
Mr. Rockefeller famously wrote a letter to Vice President Dick Cheney objecting to warrantless wiretapping, but then stuck it (literally) in a drawer. Like Ms. Harman, only after the program was exposed did he reveal his missive to show he'd been opposed all along, though he'd done nothing about it.
Heh. That's exactly what Charlie Rangel did with his federal income tax return, lol. "I actually did fill out my income tax reform, before I decided against mailing it." And these are the great Liberal Moral Authorities in the Democratic Congress... Posted by: CoolCzech at January 07, 2009 05:16 PM (iafWn) 17
Its understandable that these folks just wrote some vaguely critical letters. After all, its not like they were in a position to pass laws about it or something.
Posted by: Harun at January 07, 2009 08:32 PM (mG9Ce) 18
May I also suggest the GOP Congrescritters vote for the bail outs and then they write thoughtful, questioning letters they keep just in case it doesn't work. Maybe a form letter would be easiest.
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You know, I've been thinking for some time now that there's an imbalance between the parties in terms of symbolism. I mean, for now we have the Republican Elephant and the Democrat Donkey. Or, Ass.
For an elephant, about the worst thing you can say is that they're kind of lumbering. And afraid of mice, which isn't really either here or there. As to the Democrat Ass, well, it's an ass. Braying, stubborn, kind of stupid - that's what people think of when they see a donkey. I think the Democrats need a new animal to represent them. Maybe something big, not as big as an elephant, of course, because that would mean sea creatures and huge aquariums at rallies, and that just won't fly. Maybe a Hippopotamus. Shorten it to hippo. The animal has no great public precedent, so prejudices will be minimal. And a name change could go along with it, at least at the logo/mascot level. Perhaps change the initial vowel in honor of the Womyns Myvement. And drop the double P, because there's no sense in wasting letters. And to balance the equation, we can change -crats to -crites, because we dropped an I and the ending is to vowel-light. Hypocrites. What do you think? Posted by: Merovign at January 07, 2009 09:22 PM (or0jG) 20
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