1

35 years ago there wasn’t a Rush Limbaugh show, a Fox News or the rightosphere and the narrative after Vietnam became those who served were broken men, who were nothing but mind numbed baby killers. We shouldn’t and can’t let this happen again.

 

There was just the "most trusted man in America" lying through his commie teeth Walter Cronkite. I can't wait for that son of a bitch to die. His is one of many graves I want to water and/or fertilize.

2 So, let's see...I think I'm going to need a location, a unit, a reason Cpl. Washburn used a grenade launcher as a first step on one individual and how a corporal did three tours in Iraq...can't quite make the math work on the last one.

3

"and how a corporal did three tours in Iraq...can't quite make the math work on the last one."

 

Could he be aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa  Moron?  I've know plenty of career E 4s and they were mostly morons.

4

3 combat tours and motherfucker is still an E-4?  Maybe he should have hit her with a Javelin if he wants to make Sergeant.  Fucking lying cocksmoker.  This asshole has been watching Bunny from the movie Platoon crack open a villager's skull a few too many times.

"And then I was all like, 'Let's do her, man.  Let's do the whole fuckin' village!'"

 

 

5

The minimum safe range on a Mk 19 is at least 50m (I'm sure the "book" is much farther out, but anything less then 50m gets an NCO boot up your ass) - so you engaged a women carring a bag at an extended range with a fire support device designed to deny areas at a kilometer away.  Hmmm - thats the kind of decision making that gets you 3 tours as corporal.

Bullshit story.  He wouldn't get to touch the Mk19.

6

Oh, and fuck Anthony Swofford, too.  I read his piece of shit book Jarhead and by the time I was done, I was fully locked in the pissed off position.  More bullshit about how stupid the Army (or Marines) are and how they're so much smarter and better than the troops around them.

All written by a bunch of pussies who eventually get chaptered out or busted down in rank because of the aforementioned pussylike condition.

 

7 I think I saw this story somewhere else a year or so ago. Maybe, it was something similiar. I am trying to remember where I  heard it from.

8 Could he be aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Moron? I've know plenty of career E 4s and they were mostly morons.
This would be the mouth breather type of Moron, not the AoSHq type.
Or he could just be Winter Soiler Lier Lier Pants on Fire BOS.
And believe me I know of what I speaks when I talks about BOS.

9

...the aforementioned pussylike condition

Needs this:

^tm

 

 

10 is this just like the New Republic guy who wrote all these stories about running tanks through buildings and running over dogs and changing a Humvee tire in waist deep sewage (in the desert!)?  When the guy was scrutinized suddenly it changed from "things I saw" to "things somebody told me about" stories.  In other words bullshit stories.

11

Let me preface this question by saying that I obviously have never been in the military and I haven't been around much military hardware so forgive me if this is stupid, but wouldn't a grenade launched into someone at fairly close range pretty much blow them and what they were carrying to smithereens? Or is that some Hollywood movie bullshit? Because I can't imagine there was much left of her or what she was carrying to make the determination that she was bringing them groceries.

12

One wonders if this asshole was actually in Iraq or if he was actually in the Army or Marines at all.

13 Scott Thomas Beauchamp is the douche that was from 'The New Republic' 

that lied about doing things to seeing things to not being in Iraq after all.. 

14

Ginger- You heard it a year ago when they did their silly "Investigation" in Maryland and he told this assinine story then.  What is interesting is that the same story appears in a different guys testimony and he was in a different unit.

A mk19 is no joke.  You wouldn't use it against a single person in the open.  Total waste of ammo.  The story really makes no sense, but as I sat in the back of the room, I was laughing out loud as all these aging hippie types were stiffling sobs. 

Some of the other stories are classics too.  Like the guy who claims his CO offered a 4 day pass to the first person that dropped a Iraqi with a bayonet.  Yeah, sure he did.

Thanks for the linkage Drew.

15 #7 Ginger:

That was Washburn's testimony at Winter Soldier last march. TSO and I were there live blogging from inside the hearings.

16

the recurring feature of stories which involve The Military and the Atrocities Which They Inflict is the unstrained credulity of the Reality-Based Community.

 It is as if they have no acquaintence with, you know, reality.

-

_{for example, a lib friend of mine was criticizing the delay in having helicopters arrive in New Orleans after Katrina made landfall.  He railed on and on about the lack of preparation, the evil of Boooosh, lack of regard for the Blacks, et cetera.   I finally asked him if he was aware that landfall is when the front half of the hurricane reaches land and that you still need to wait until the back half clears before it's safe for the helicopters to land.  Unicorns could have landed right-away.  Helicopters, not so much.}

17 Methinks someone's been watching a bit too much "Platoon"

18 Thanks, TSO and Jonn.

19 Speaking of "Platoon", was that supposed to be a real story from Oliver Stone's life?  Somehow I can't see him any closer to Vietnam before the fall than an anti-war protest at Berkley.

20 These are the same fucks that think 9/11 was inside job and the government killed all the prisoners in New Orleans during Katrina.

21 Paranoid, that's the thing, there's usually 17 things that are so obviously not right in these stories. You have to really be desperate to believe them. Unfortunately, there's no shortage of people desperate to believe.

22 I get so pissed when some rat bastards try to undermine the heavy sacrafices our men and women in uniform make in order for the rest of us to keep our freedoms. I swear this is a generation of fucking spoiled brats.

23

...and then me and my buddies were stumbling out of the hooch after smoking some hash and listening to Smokey Robinson singing his new song "Tracks of My Tears," and we see one of those Iraqi water buffaloes walking by, and I'm like, "Dude - pass me that phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range."

Totally melted a hole through it, man.  Then I realized that without their water buffalo, how are those Iraqis gonna bring in their crops from the rice paddies, man?  I was ashamed, man.  That's when I knew I had to tell people how the shit was going down in Iraq, man. 

- excerpted from Private Chad Throckwerp Ballscrunch's upcoming novel Gooks in the Wire:  Gettin' My Atrocity on in Bush's Illegal War for Oil.

 

24 [After consulting with Nielson company, our focus groups, and our sponsors, it has been determined that it is not in our interest to allow icus to retain commenting privileges]

25 @ 16

the recurring feature of stories which involve The Military and the Atrocities Which They Inflict is the unstrained credulity of the Reality-Based Community.


God Obama.. 

these stories are going to turn out worse than that hook man/couple making out  urban legend..

26 [After consulting with Nielson company, our focus groups, and our sponsors, it has been determined that it is not in our interest to allow icus to retain commenting privileges]

27

There are lots of instances of the wrong people getting killed in Iraq

And many, many more instances of the right people getting killed.  So the system works.

28

I saw M19s mounted on lots of HUMMVs in Iraq.  It looks like the Army likes to have one in every convoy.  No special fire direction equipment attached.   Manned by SPCs and junior.

That's Mk19s mounted on HUMMWVs.

"Special fire direction equipment?"  you mean other than the tripod, mounting pintle, and T&E (traversing and elevating) mechanism it's issued with?

And the Army issues Mk19s to units that have them in their TO&E, not to "every convoy."

So it doesn't seem incredible to me, but what do I know, I'm not some Desert Storm three day hero, I've only been to Iraq.

Thank you, Laundry and Bath Specialist Icus, for not only displaying your lack of knowledge on matters military, but for disparaging our veterans.  Please regale us with your eyewitness accounts of ear and penis necklaces being worn by our baby-killing stormtroopers in Iraq. 

Eat shit and fall on a rusty spike.

29 I remember when I was stationed  in Poon-Tang....

30 ...I was issued the standard AK16-47M. One night during operation "Hobo Hunt",,,,,very, very hush hush mission, we came across a group of unicron shepards...What, you think I'm full of shit? Wait 'til my book comes out you mutherfuckers!

31

icus,

a.  Washburn was supposedly a Marine.  Thanks for the nonseq on Army convoy practices.

b.  Try not to hurt yourself in figuring out why the Mk19 would be the weapon of choice against a solitary woman at a distance close enough where the bag whe was carrying would be a concern.

c.  Tell me again how much Saddam paid in condolence cash through the years.

d.  I've been to Iraq, too.  So get thee off the high horse.

32

Asswipes just can't help themselves, can they?

Wish it'd been different for me, but I'm thinking that they won't be able to get the necessary traction THIS time around.

Not THIS time, bastards.

33 I hate myself for making light of this bullshit,,but, fucking wow! When you are a stateside laundry gaurd I guess you have all kinds of time to dream this shit up....Plus it helps you bang filthy hippy chicks. Personally I'd rather be on the wrong end of an MK19, than face down in that skank.

34 Icus, you're full of shit.

35 I think this shit falls into the same general category of douchebaggery, that Harry "I'm a fuckin' cockholster supreme" Reid pulls.

It's what they want in their tiny little minds to be the truth, to hell with reality.

36 I told you icus is Reuter's military advisor.  By the way icus, what was it that you did when you were in Iraq? Your post seems to want to indicate you were serving in the military. 

37 #11 You aren't being silly with your questions, because if she is carrying explosives the last thing you want is to set those explosives off, which a grenade hit would likely do (I am not military myself, but shooting explosives sounds like a bad idea unless you are far, far away).

38 As a three day hero of Desert Storm, (it seemed more like 8 months, 22 days at the time)  let me assure you that my company commander told us to smoke everyone we saw.  So I would set on the roof of my building in Dammam while on guard and shoot bikers, random people, people and their kids.  This one time we went into town during shot the and entire family.  See, I can make up stuff too!

I don't know what Army, Marine or Stormtrooper unit you were in but in my unit if you would have fired up the MK-19, M-16, M-4 or any weapon system without permission or being under attack you would have got you ass handed to you.  If it was some woman with a bag, passing by you and not a threat, God help you.

39 See, because our Armed Forces aren't highly trained, organized, inter-connected forces, but rather random hicks and retards that we strap grenade launchers to and point in a general direction.

It explains a lot of how Lefties think that A) this stuff actually happened and B) if it did, how anyone would get away with it.

40 These guys are late to the game.  The New Republic already ran this story...

41

We had a "winter soldier" douchebag-SPC Jason Hurd-in the medical platoon of our squadron.  He comes home, does his spiel at the hearings and becomes a hero to the local left.

CID comes and interviews those who were with him (F trp 2/278th ACR) and no one else's version of events matches Hurd's-not even close.  Hurd is still a hero to credulous campus lefties and alternative journalists-one of the free papers did a piece praising him and failed to publish my comment on their website saying that it would be very easy for them to talk to almost anyone else who was there and get a different version of the events described.

The only comfort to those who know better is that he is shunned by the rest of us to a man.

42 I hate when he shows me.

43 I remember on the moon of Endor, I had to go into a village of this little furry creatures and burn every last one.  Not shoot to kill. Only burn. 

Looking back, I wish I would have burned more.

44 #41 CavMedic;

Hurd broke down and cried during his testimony at Winter Soldier because he ALMOST shot a woman. He slung snot all over the panel and the dusty old hippies in the audience started sniveling, too. Because he ALMOST shot a woman.

45 Don't forget the part Jonn where he wanted to melt all weapons down to make jewelry. That still cracks me up to this day.

46 I really wish some MP's would march in and arrest these clowns while they are testifying to war crimes.  I wonder if their story would change then.  If they really felt guilty then they wouldn't mind doing the time, right?

47

I worked in Iraq as a Police Advisor for two years, which meant daily travel in Army convoys going to various Iraqi police stations, as well as joint patrols with Iraqi police and the occasional escort mission. In that time I think we had a Mk19 in the convoy maybe two or three times. They always wanted as least one M2 (preferably two), and one M240B, usually the rest of the gunners would have SAWs.

There were a couple times when we came under small arms and RPG fire at night, and the gunners didn't return fire because they couldn't get PID (positive identification) on a target and wouldn't start spraying an Iraqi neighborhood without a definite target. I was and am in awe of the self discipline of those young men, to stand up in that turret while RPG rockets and bullets are flying by, ready to defend the convoy, but not fire unless they had a definite enemy to shoot at.

Icus is a lying piece of shit.

48 War stories.

49 ... but was it done in a fashion reminiscent of Jenjis Khan?

50 Too bad icus' comment was removed. That was one lame-ass defense of this sorry excuse for a book.

51 Icus basically said that the grenade launcher was standard army issue.. even the cooks had them..  and fired grenades at each other for gits and shiggles..

but what did he know.. he only served in Iraq or something to that effect.

52 Hi, my name is Icus, and I'll be your server tonight.

53

For the younger folk less familiar, and us older folk that may have missed it, I personally believe Charles Kuralt's autobiography, "A Life On The Road", should be required reading.  If you want some understanding of how TV news was developed, from the very earliest days when he was the anchor, long before Walter Cronkite, find it and read it.  Ask yourself the question he asks in that book, something like, "I wonder how Lt. Soon would have felt about that."

In that book, you will see the very earliest days of the communists taking control of the news media, then understand how Walter Cronkite took over and declared defeat, after he took over as anchor.  Charles Kuralt knew news and new Vietnam; he had been embedded with Lt. Soon.  However, CBS replaced him with Cronkite and Cronkite declared the Tet Offensive as a devestating defeat for South Vietnam and America, even though we won.  I lived there, then, and couldn't believe what I had heard.  In 1968, Johnson declared defeat, because Cronkite, a cushy-butt communist, said so.  That's funny, because we had good troops in the field and I was only 8 years old, yet could see we were making an impact.  And, unlike Cushy-Butt, I lived in Vientiane, every day.

I would also commend a book I don't particularly agree with, John Campbell's "Are We Winning?  Are They Winning?"  Campbell was a family friend and a social scientist, and he tried all of the whacky things to make evil go away, but his respect and admiration for what was being attempted comes through.  John Campbell is a good man and a great friend of my father's, but is definitely a Marxist.  He meant the very best, as a fucking commie (sorry, sir), but he eventually saw that his charades were not what the A Teams brought to Laos and Vietnam, which was real security and devotion, while he dragged around actors.  When we sold out the A Teams and quit, we became less.

We are in the same place that we were, 40 years ago, because we won't move forward and we won't dismiss the communists.  Conservatives are too nice.  Communists count upon that.

Or so I read in this month's "Highlights".

54 CJrun nails it.

The left has been re-writing history as long as it's been around, and that's why they have such a hard-on for academic and press credentials. They move in, gain authority, push everyone else out, and start scrubbing to make themselves the heroes.

Why do you think your kids think that Democrats are "the party of minority rights" when they're actually "the party of slavery" that opposed the Civil  Rights Act. They never had a revelation, they just excel at PR.

They lie at every turn, the younger generations are so inured that they don't even know it's a lie. That's why they got so red-faced at the "Black Book of Communism." It's why they get so apoplectic when someone goes "off-reservation," the only thing they really fear is reality.

As long as they can gain and hold a lock on the academy and the press corps, they can pretend that reality is what they want instead of what it is.

Our biggest battle is to correct the record - so difficult because they've managed to gain enough of a majority in the press and academy that the lie is the official record.

55 6

Oh, and fuck Anthony Swofford, too.  I read his piece of shit book Jarhead and by the time I was done, I was fully locked in the pissed off position.  More bullshit about how stupid the Army (or Marines) are and how they're so much smarter and better than the troops around them.

All written by a bunch of pussies who eventually get chaptered out or busted down in rank because of the aforementioned pussylike condition.

Fuckin' A, Empire of Jeff.  I stood in line at Powell's in Portland where Swofford was doing a book signing right after this piece of shit was published.  Just to call him a pussy to his face.

 

56
An earlier Jason Washburn sighting.

57

“She was carrying a huge bag, and she looked like she was heading toward us, so we lit her up with the Mark 19, which is an automatic grenade launcher, and when the dust settled, we realized that the bag was full of groceries.

But then the pyrotechnics guy grabbed his arms and pulled them off revealing that he had real hands under his hookhands.

Washburn's just another Mall Ninja:

http://tinyurl.com/228925

 

58 Washburn:

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack Toyota's on fire off the shoulder of Sadam Highway. I watched Cigarette embers glitter in the darkness at Sadr City Gate. All those moments will be lost in time like tears in rain. Time to die.

I then stabbed the Malamute puppy in the throat and ate its effin lungs and giblets. Raw. And I wasn't even in Iraq yet.

Good times.

59 Quagmire!  Impeach Bush!

60 The sad thing is I am going to have to get my hands on a copy just so I can shoot holes in it (figuratively) in my own book.

Cav Medic, if you were with the 278th ACR, you still living in Tennessee?

61

SGT Dan-I actually live in NC, but I work (ADSW) in Newport TN.  I am (M-Day) in the HHC for the 194th EN Bde in Jackson.  I had to leave the Cav when I got promoted to E-7.

I still have my Stetson though.

62 Jesse MacBeth again?  Jesus, where do these asstards come from? 

I stood in line at Powell's in Portland where Swofford was doing a book signing right after this piece of shit was published.  Just to call him a pussy to his face.

SALUTE!  Thank you!

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