35 years ago there wasn’t a Rush Limbaugh show, a Fox News or the rightosphere and the narrative after Vietnam became those who served were broken men, who were nothing but mind numbed baby killers. We shouldn’t and can’t let this happen again.

There was just the "most trusted man in America" lying through his commie teeth Walter Cronkite. I can't wait for that son of a bitch to die. His is one of many graves I want to water and/or fertilize.

"and how a corporal did three tours in Iraq...can't quite make the math work on the last one."

Could he be aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa  Moron?  I've know plenty of career E 4s and they were mostly morons.

3 combat tours and motherfucker is still an E-4?  Maybe he should have hit her with a Javelin if he wants to make Sergeant.  Fucking lying cocksmoker.  This asshole has been watching Bunny from the movie Platoon crack open a villager's skull a few too many times.

"And then I was all like, 'Let's do her, man.  Let's do the whole fuckin' village!'"

The minimum safe range on a Mk 19 is at least 50m (I'm sure the "book" is much farther out, but anything less then 50m gets an NCO boot up your ass) - so you engaged a women carring a bag at an extended range with a fire support device designed to deny areas at a kilometer away.  Hmmm - thats the kind of decision making that gets you 3 tours as corporal.

Bullshit story.  He wouldn't get to touch the Mk19.

Oh, and fuck Anthony Swofford, too.  I read his piece of shit book Jarhead and by the time I was done, I was fully locked in the pissed off position.  More bullshit about how stupid the Army (or Marines) are and how they're so much smarter and better than the troops around them.

All written by a bunch of pussies who eventually get chaptered out or busted down in rank because of the aforementioned pussylike condition.

...the aforementioned pussylike condition

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Let me preface this question by saying that I obviously have never been in the military and I haven't been around much military hardware so forgive me if this is stupid, but wouldn't a grenade launched into someone at fairly close range pretty much blow them and what they were carrying to smithereens? Or is that some Hollywood movie bullshit? Because I can't imagine there was much left of her or what she was carrying to make the determination that she was bringing them groceries.

One wonders if this asshole was actually in Iraq or if he was actually in the Army or Marines at all.

Ginger- You heard it a year ago when they did their silly "Investigation" in Maryland and he told this assinine story then.  What is interesting is that the same story appears in a different guys testimony and he was in a different unit.

A mk19 is no joke.  You wouldn't use it against a single person in the open.  Total waste of ammo.  The story really makes no sense, but as I sat in the back of the room, I was laughing out loud as all these aging hippie types were stiffling sobs. 

Some of the other stories are classics too.  Like the guy who claims his CO offered a 4 day pass to the first person that dropped a Iraqi with a bayonet.  Yeah, sure he did.

Thanks for the linkage Drew.

the recurring feature of stories which involve The Military and the Atrocities Which They Inflict is the unstrained credulity of the Reality-Based Community.

 It is as if they have no acquaintence with, you know, reality.

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_{for example, a lib friend of mine was criticizing the delay in having helicopters arrive in New Orleans after Katrina made landfall.  He railed on and on about the lack of preparation, the evil of Boooosh, lack of regard for the Blacks, et cetera.   I finally asked him if he was aware that landfall is when the front half of the hurricane reaches land and that you still need to wait until the back half clears before it's safe for the helicopters to land.  Unicorns could have landed right-away.  Helicopters, not so much.}

...and then me and my buddies were stumbling out of the hooch after smoking some hash and listening to Smokey Robinson singing his new song "Tracks of My Tears," and we see one of those Iraqi water buffaloes walking by, and I'm like, "Dude - pass me that phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range."

Totally melted a hole through it, man.  Then I realized that without their water buffalo, how are those Iraqis gonna bring in their crops from the rice paddies, man?  I was ashamed, man.  That's when I knew I had to tell people how the shit was going down in Iraq, man. 

- excerpted from Private Chad Throckwerp Ballscrunch's upcoming novel Gooks in the Wire:  Gettin' My Atrocity on in Bush's Illegal War for Oil.

There are lots of instances of the wrong people getting killed in Iraq

And many, many more instances of the right people getting killed.  So the system works.

I saw M19s mounted on lots of HUMMVs in Iraq.  It looks like the Army likes to have one in every convoy.  No special fire direction equipment attached.   Manned by SPCs and junior.

That's Mk19s mounted on HUMMWVs.

"Special fire direction equipment?"  you mean other than the tripod, mounting pintle, and T&E (traversing and elevating) mechanism it's issued with?

And the Army issues Mk19s to units that have them in their TO&E, not to "every convoy."

So it doesn't seem incredible to me, but what do I know, I'm not some Desert Storm three day hero, I've only been to Iraq.

Thank you, Laundry and Bath Specialist Icus, for not only displaying your lack of knowledge on matters military, but for disparaging our veterans.  Please regale us with your eyewitness accounts of ear and penis necklaces being worn by our baby-killing stormtroopers in Iraq. 

Eat shit and fall on a rusty spike.

icus,

a.  Washburn was supposedly a Marine.  Thanks for the nonseq on Army convoy practices.

b.  Try not to hurt yourself in figuring out why the Mk19 would be the weapon of choice against a solitary woman at a distance close enough where the bag whe was carrying would be a concern.

c.  Tell me again how much Saddam paid in condolence cash through the years.

d.  I've been to Iraq, too.  So get thee off the high horse.

Asswipes just can't help themselves, can they?

Wish it'd been different for me, but I'm thinking that they won't be able to get the necessary traction THIS time around.

Not THIS time, bastards.

We had a "winter soldier" douchebag-SPC Jason Hurd-in the medical platoon of our squadron.  He comes home, does his spiel at the hearings and becomes a hero to the local left.

CID comes and interviews those who were with him (F trp 2/278th ACR) and no one else's version of events matches Hurd's-not even close.  Hurd is still a hero to credulous campus lefties and alternative journalists-one of the free papers did a piece praising him and failed to publish my comment on their website saying that it would be very easy for them to talk to almost anyone else who was there and get a different version of the events described.

The only comfort to those who know better is that he is shunned by the rest of us to a man.

I worked in Iraq as a Police Advisor for two years, which meant daily travel in Army convoys going to various Iraqi police stations, as well as joint patrols with Iraqi police and the occasional escort mission. In that time I think we had a Mk19 in the convoy maybe two or three times. They always wanted as least one M2 (preferably two), and one M240B, usually the rest of the gunners would have SAWs.

There were a couple times when we came under small arms and RPG fire at night, and the gunners didn't return fire because they couldn't get PID (positive identification) on a target and wouldn't start spraying an Iraqi neighborhood without a definite target. I was and am in awe of the self discipline of those young men, to stand up in that turret while RPG rockets and bullets are flying by, ready to defend the convoy, but not fire unless they had a definite enemy to shoot at.

Icus is a lying piece of shit.

For the younger folk less familiar, and us older folk that may have missed it, I personally believe Charles Kuralt's autobiography, "A Life On The Road", should be required reading.  If you want some understanding of how TV news was developed, from the very earliest days when he was the anchor, long before Walter Cronkite, find it and read it.  Ask yourself the question he asks in that book, something like, "I wonder how Lt. Soon would have felt about that."

In that book, you will see the very earliest days of the communists taking control of the news media, then understand how Walter Cronkite took over and declared defeat, after he took over as anchor.  Charles Kuralt knew news and new Vietnam; he had been embedded with Lt. Soon.  However, CBS replaced him with Cronkite and Cronkite declared the Tet Offensive as a devestating defeat for South Vietnam and America, even though we won.  I lived there, then, and couldn't believe what I had heard.  In 1968, Johnson declared defeat, because Cronkite, a cushy-butt communist, said so.  That's funny, because we had good troops in the field and I was only 8 years old, yet could see we were making an impact.  And, unlike Cushy-Butt, I lived in Vientiane, every day.

I would also commend a book I don't particularly agree with, John Campbell's "Are We Winning?  Are They Winning?"  Campbell was a family friend and a social scientist, and he tried all of the whacky things to make evil go away, but his respect and admiration for what was being attempted comes through.  John Campbell is a good man and a great friend of my father's, but is definitely a Marxist.  He meant the very best, as a fucking commie (sorry, sir), but he eventually saw that his charades were not what the A Teams brought to Laos and Vietnam, which was real security and devotion, while he dragged around actors.  When we sold out the A Teams and quit, we became less.

We are in the same place that we were, 40 years ago, because we won't move forward and we won't dismiss the communists.  Conservatives are too nice.  Communists count upon that.

Or so I read in this month's "Highlights".

Oh, and fuck Anthony Swofford, too.  I read his piece of shit book Jarhead and by the time I was done, I was fully locked in the pissed off position.  More bullshit about how stupid the Army (or Marines) are and how they're so much smarter and better than the troops around them.

All written by a bunch of pussies who eventually get chaptered out or busted down in rank because of the aforementioned pussylike condition.

Fuckin' A, Empire of Jeff.  I stood in line at Powell's in Portland where Swofford was doing a book signing right after this piece of shit was published.  Just to call him a pussy to his face.

“She was carrying a huge bag, and she looked like she was heading toward us, so we lit her up with the Mark 19, which is an automatic grenade launcher, and when the dust settled, we realized that the bag was full of groceries.

But then the pyrotechnics guy grabbed his arms and pulled them off revealing that he had real hands under his hookhands.

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SGT Dan-I actually live in NC, but I work (ADSW) in Newport TN.  I am (M-Day) in the HHC for the 194th EN Bde in Jackson.  I had to leave the Cav when I got promoted to E-7.

I still have my Stetson though.

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