Israeli Shelling Kills 40 (?) In UN School<br>Bumped: Of Course Hamas Has Fired Rockets from Schools Before

Israeli Shelling Kills 40 (?) In UN School
Bumped: Of Course Hamas Has Fired Rockets from Schools Before

The number cited is 40, but this war, like so many before, is Pallywood production. A "heightened reality" of magic and fantasy.

Although there is a good chance that this was a pure mistake -- such happen in war -- there's also a pretty good chance that Hamas, as usual, is attacking from amidst civilian populations, counting on the enemy's morality to prevent a counterattack.

Eh. Sometimes that works. Sometimes it doesn't. You can avoid this by doing what every decent army does -- stay the hell away from civilians.

Israel Defense Forces tank fire killed up to 40 Palestinians at a United Nations school in the Gaza Strip on Tuesday, medical sources at two hospitals said.

I take "40" as Hamas' claim, which sets the upper limit for the casualties. The reality, I'm guessing, will turn out to be something like 10.

The attack brought the Palestinian death toll to nearly 600 in Israel's 11-day offensive on the Hamas-ruled coastal territory.
Two tank shells exploded outside the Gaza school, spraying shrapnel on people inside and outside the building, where hundreds of Palestinians had sought refuge from fighting between Israeli soldiers and Hamas militants. In addition to the dead, several dozen people were wounded, the officials said.
Medical officials said all the dead were either people sheltering in the school or local residents.

All of them. And you can trust Hamas' medical staff to give you the straight dope. Not a one of them sticking an RPG out a window or anything.

Here's some good stuff:

Also on Tuesday, Israel Air Force warplanes struck a building in Gaza in which the head of Hamas' rocket division was staying. It was not immediately clear whether Ayman Sayam was hit in the attack, which occurred in the Jabalya refugee camp in the northern Gaza Strip.

And now -- terrorism.

"There's nowhere safe in Gaza. Everyone here is terrorized and traumatized," said John Ging, the top UN official in Gaza, blaming the international community for allowing the violence to continue.

I blame the international community for allowing the violence to start. Where was the UN when Hamas was launching rockets into Sderot for a year?

48 Hour Rule: It's not as if Hamas deliberately takes women and children to their hide-outs or anything:

U.N. officials say they provided their location coordinates to Israel's army to ensure that their buildings in Gaza are not targeted. The Israeli army had no comment on the latest strikes, but in the past has accused militants of using schools, mosques and residential neighborhoods to store weapons or launch attacks.
Munitions depot? Terrorist hideout? In any of these events, under the Geneva Convention, Israel has the right to hit the spot. In fact, Israel Radio is reporting that Hamas terrorists have been seen in Gaza dragging children by their ears into hiding places in the hope that the children's presence will prevent the IDF from targeting the terrorists.

No Way! Video shows that Hamas has launched rockets from the sadistic safety of a school before, back in 2007.

Posted by: Ace at 01:03 PM

Comments

1 Lie down with dogs, wake up with fleas.

Posted by: Roy at January 06, 2009 12:18 PM (cB77O)

Medical officials said all the dead were either people sheltering in the school or local residents.

This could actually be true. Hamas fighters probably were sheltering in the school, and some of them might have been local residents.

Posted by: buzz at January 06, 2009 12:19 PM (kwhut)

3 At least the JPOST reported this with the appropriate skepticism, instead of fact as did Haaretz.

Posted by: Amused Observer at January 06, 2009 12:21 PM (xuxiF)

4 My guitar gently weeps.

Posted by: railwriter at January 06, 2009 12:22 PM (nwEiU)

5 I've read that when the Israelites announce intent to bomb an area, the Arabs pack the target buildings with children to enable just such announcements.

I don't think the MSM reported that.

Posted by: Larry Sheldon at January 06, 2009 12:23 PM (OmeRL)

6
Why are the Zionists deliberately targeting weddings, schools, and hospitals?

Posted by: stupid typical fucking moonbat at January 06, 2009 12:24 PM (wq3+H)

7
brb proppin' up Rachel Corrie's dying carcass for a photo-op

Posted by: palsetinian hamas barbarian at January 06, 2009 12:25 PM (wq3+H)

8 Given the soldiers wear no uniforms nor otherwise identify themselves as military personnel, how do we know the dead are civilians?

Posted by: steve at January 06, 2009 12:26 PM (jyVye)

9
Asymmetric warfare, man. WTF?

Does disproportionate response mean anything to you people?

Posted by: stupid typical fucking moonbat at January 06, 2009 12:27 PM (wq3+H)

10 No mention of children in the story. Just people "sheltering" in the school. And since we do know that U.N. buildings are used as weapons depots for Hamas, well, shouldn't the story actually read "Israeli's Shell Hamas Hideout in U.N. School?"

Posted by: shibumi at January 06, 2009 12:29 PM (tZB/c)

11 Jerusalem Post -At least thirty people were killed in an explosion in a UN-run school in the village of Jabalya in the northern Gaza Strip, according to Palestinian reports. There were reportedly also scores of wounded on the scene. The Israeli military said it was looking into the reports. The military denied having attacked the school, as Palestinians claimed, and was probing to find out the source of the explosion.

Posted by: A Plover In Every Pot! at January 06, 2009 12:30 PM (wFYko)

12 Cue self-righteous troll in 5..4..3..

Posted by: adamthemad at January 06, 2009 12:30 PM (kIjlp)

13 Rockets fired from Gaza? It never happened. I never saw a single rocket fired from anywhere in Gaza. Oh, I did see some fireworks on the Fourth of July. Hamas authorized those to show their solidarity with America. But rockets? Never happened. If rockets had been fired, I would have seen them, I have an excellent view of Gaza from underneath my bunk.

Posted by: UN Observer at January 06, 2009 12:31 PM (QMGr1)

Paging Green Helmet Guy!

Posted by: eddiebear at January 06, 2009 12:32 PM (wnU1W)

15 What's next, the Passion of The Toys, Vol. 2?

Posted by: eddiebear at January 06, 2009 12:32 PM (wnU1W)

16 You know those productions they have, when they parade some dudes body around, and a giant crowd of people chant like rabid monkeys?

Napalm.

K

Posted by: Kestrel♠ at January 06, 2009 12:33 PM (10kar)

17 $50 says Flat Fatima is coming out of retirement tomorrow.

Posted by: EC at January 06, 2009 12:34 PM (mAhn3)

18 And how many Palestinians would be alive today if Hamas had stopped shooting missiles into Israel months ago?

Posted by: V the K at January 06, 2009 12:37 PM (d2fuu)

19
Probably a Rocket Firing/Bomb Making school.

Posted by: Dang at January 06, 2009 12:49 PM (Y5LIx)

20 "There's nowhere safe in Gaza. Everyone here is terrorized and traumatized,"

Good.

Posted by: lmg at January 06, 2009 12:54 PM (A/vgC)

21 From Muqata: "7:34 PM The Truth Comes Out: IDF Spox - Mortar Fire at IDF soldiers was coming from UN School in Gaza. (Ch 10, Israel TV)"

Posted by: JB at January 06, 2009 12:54 PM (KlSTV)

22 Breitbart: "Israeli Official: Militants Fired from UN School"

http://tinyurl.com/8kkkvd

Posted by: Bugler at January 06, 2009 01:00 PM (YCVBL)

23 Very good news... I've just learned that Israel has accepted "proportionality of engagement" rules which put the United Nations, France and the other interested parties at ease. Israel promises that they will not attack any class of location that Hamas has not targeted with their missiles. For instance, had Hamas restricted the targeting of their missiles to Israel military targets only, Israel will proportionally restrict its attacks to the same.

Good news to know!

Posted by: HatlessHessian at January 06, 2009 01:14 PM (3/V8w)

US President-elect Barack Obama said Monday was deeply concerned by the fighting in the Gaza Strip, while stressing he would not intervene in "delicate negotiations" carried out by 'outgoing administration.

When will these distractions end for the messiah?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 06, 2009 01:15 PM (1Jaio)

Yea, you morons beat me to it. Olmert's PR guy was just on the tube saying that the initial reports were that the IDF was taking fire from the school and they returned fire.

Seriously, in what sort of retard parallel universe would any sane person who has even the most tenuous grasp on either reality or terrorists tactics, think that the IDF would deliberately target a school without some sort of provocation?

Posted by: JackStraw at January 06, 2009 01:18 PM (VW9/y)

26 This is war. Innocent people die. Israel is almost comical in its efforts to warn non-combatants to get out of the way. I believe in acting honorably but at some point war is really about killing the enemy and thats what you have to do if you are serious about protecting your interests. And it's kind of important not to put that shithole the UN's interests before your own.

Posted by: mare at January 06, 2009 01:20 PM (X1fsj)

27 I saw a report on the news where terrorist spokesman was saying Israel was mowing down anything that walks while in front of large group of palestinians clearing rubble in broad daylight.

Posted by: ed at January 06, 2009 01:24 PM (Urhve)

28
in what sort of retard parallel universe would any sane person who has even the most tenuous grasp on either reality or terrorists tactics, think that the IDF would deliberately target a school without some sort of provocation?

That's how the Zionists do. They all about the extermination of Palestinians. What better way to wipe out a people than to kill its children?

Posted by: stupid typical fucking moonbat at January 06, 2009 01:25 PM (wq3+H)

The Green Helmet Guy will not be seen in this war. He is too busy covering the Hindenburg crash in NJ and he doesn�t want you to waste your questions.

Posted by: Vic at January 06, 2009 01:25 PM (f6os6)

It's called Occam's Razor, yankee. We use it all the time to slash through the lies of those hook-nosed diamond merchants.

Posted by: The BBC at January 06, 2009 01:26 PM (gQ+XA)

In (rapidly) descending order of likelihood:

1. Could be that the Pali's were using the school for cover - this has been their MO.

2. Could be that the Pali's were in the school reading Bill Ayers "Bombmaking for Dummies" and had a little "OOPS!" moment.

3. Could be that it is a legitimate school and Israel screwed up.

4. Could be that it is a legitimate school and Israel is just vicious and blew it up for giggles.

Posted by: innominatus at January 06, 2009 01:27 PM (jH4Q1)

Not as if the Russians aren't freezing millions of their former slaves and serfs this winter, or something ...

http://www.mererhetoric.com/ has a nice round up.

Posted by: Jean at January 06, 2009 01:27 PM (L64A6)

4. Could be that it is a legitimate school and Israel is just vicious and blew it up for giggles.

Yes, yes! That's the spirt, mate! Fellow journalist, are you?

Posted by: The BBC at January 06, 2009 01:29 PM (gQ+XA)

34 Was there any explanation for that half report Fox was worried about last night?

Oh, and fuck the cocksucking UN.

Posted by: Methos at January 06, 2009 01:33 PM (Wf8fc)

35 The irony of a UN official lamenting that terrorists are being terrorized is priceless.

Given the Israeli's efforts to warn Hamas leaders when they are going to bomb a building to allow them to vacate civilians and given that Hamas responds by putting civilians on the roofs of those buildings, what can you expect.

Israeli attacks may appear disproportionate but given its relationship with its neighbors, its history with Hamas, and how those who hate Israel would capitalize on the mere appearance of a hesitation, nothing short of an unwavering defense is its only option. Hamas "only" attacks Israel with random rockets. So what if they can�t aim or that they launch infrequently. Without a showing of overpowering and crushing dominance, Israel subjects itself to appearing weak which would hearten Hamas even more.

Posted by: Hythloday at January 06, 2009 01:33 PM (qfNFY)

36 I kinda wish the UN was a legitimate IDF target. Would anyone in NYC really mind?

Posted by: ushie at January 06, 2009 01:37 PM (XWJh5)

37 Simple math lesson.

Disproportionate response = Peace through superior firepower

Posted by: Blazer at January 06, 2009 01:39 PM (+FzLa)

The death toll is down to 30 now according to UN douchemouthed spokesasshole, plus this from the article:

An IDF spokesman said that troops had fired mortar rounds at the school, after militants barricaded inside shot mortar shells at the Israeli forces.

Shocker!1!!111! I now wonder how many of those 30 killed were Hamatards and when the UN was going to mention that their school was being used to attack the Israelis?

Posted by: Big E at January 06, 2009 01:40 PM (CBGRs)

39 Would anyone in NYC really mind?

Heh. I'll drive down there and paint a fucking target on the roof for them, if they promised to at least try to take it out.

Posted by: wiserbud at January 06, 2009 01:41 PM (IHbof)

The israelis really should have just let them fire away at their tanks.

How much damage can a bunch of 5th graders do?

Posted by: TMF at January 06, 2009 01:43 PM (waaUg)

41 Well said, mare. And the UN nothing more than an incestuous orgy of hand-jobbin' and fingerbangin' feel-good anal massage-inists who think the world's problems can be solved with a moving campfire chorus of "Kumbaya."

Posted by: Jazz at January 06, 2009 01:43 PM (hnq5i)

42
The majority of the deaths and injuries were caused by secondary explosions, i.e., booby traps and weapon stashes, within the school.

Posted by: A Plover In Every Pot! at January 06, 2009 01:47 PM (wFYko)

43
Those fucking bastards! I just accepted the offer of a tenured position at that school!

Posted by: Ted Kaczynski at January 06, 2009 01:48 PM (Y5LIx)

44
Wait for the photos. A bunch of dead third grade girls... with full beards.

Posted by: Ted Kaczynski at January 06, 2009 01:51 PM (Y5LIx)

45 I'm sure the MSM will exercise proper due diligence and not just take the word of the Hamas spokesperson at face value.

Right?
Right?
Hello?

Posted by: Gulible Douchbag at January 06, 2009 01:53 PM (SPSOE)

PRESENT!

Posted by: Brak Hussein at January 06, 2009 01:57 PM (wOGfT)

47 The IDF has ground troops in Gaza. Why didn't they send in ground troops to verify the school was being used as a base for Hamas before they decided to blow it up. This is the kind of event that leads to life-long hatred by the innocent victims of such arbitrary violence. Israel should do what is necessary to protect itself, but it should also try to insure that collateral damage (loss of innocent civiliam lives) is limited.

Hamas should be eliminated but Israel will still have to live beside the people of Gaza forever. Each side should realize that killing innocents only creates future antagonists, like we have found to our regret in Iraq.

Posted by: Hooseierbrad at January 06, 2009 02:00 PM (y/JJL)

48 The majority of the deaths and injuries were caused by secondary explosions, i.e., booby traps and weapon stashes, within the school.

I would be willing to bet that Hamas itself detonated those explosives. Two tanks rounds impacting outside a building ain't gonna kill 40+ people.

Posted by: CUS at January 06, 2009 02:03 PM (wOGfT)

Each side should realize that killing innocents only creates future antagonists, like we have found to our regret in Iraq.

Brad, you're wanted in the other thread where tired leftist tropes about "cycles of violence" and "killing terrorists only creates more of them" are rightfully mocked and laughed at.

We should try to keep this thread a little more serious.

Posted by: The BBC at January 06, 2009 02:04 PM (gQ+XA)

50 #38 the death toll down to 30

Nah . . .the toll should remain at zero until an equal number is removed from the UNRWA 'refugee' dole.

Posted by: heroyalwhyness at January 06, 2009 02:06 PM (Afo1p)

51 Israel should do what is necessary to protect itself, but it should also try to insure that collateral damage (loss of innocent civiliam lives) is limited.

Yes, let's make sure that only Israel has it's hands tied by your arbitrary and idiotic rules, so that Hamas can once again survive to randomly toss missiles at schools, hospitals, or whatever else they feel like destroying that day.

Go play somewhere else, child. The adults are talking here now.

Posted by: wiserbud at January 06, 2009 02:08 PM (IHbof)

52 The IDF has ground troops in Gaza. Why didn't they send in ground troops to verify the school was being used as a base for Hamas before they decided to blow it up.

One, they did. Hamas began shooting mortars from within the school at them. Two, they didn't decide to blow it up. There were secondary explosions from inside the school, i.e, Hamas blew up the school, either inadvertently or deliberately.

Each side should realize that killing innocents only creates future antagonists, like we have found to our regret in Iraq.

No, it only creates dead people. Note that the Krauts and the Japs have not declared war on us since Dec. '41.

Posted by: A Plover In Every Pot! at January 06, 2009 02:09 PM (wFYko)

53 We have used UN ambulances to transport deadly weapons guns, ammo, and rockets of truth.

Just saying. You know. From sea to shining sea Palestine will be under our command or something like that.

PS: Schools are the only things the Zionists won't target. Isn't it reasonable to store weapons and militants in our military barracks schools?

PPS: I'm new. It's my first day. My predecessor was delivered to his virgins.

PPPS: Bring money.

Posted by: Hamas Spokesperson at January 06, 2009 02:11 PM (AHrTm)

54 Hoosierbrad, you might want to make some effort to remain informed. IDF sources are already stating that mortars were being fired from the school. Plus anything with a UN flag should be considered a legitimate target until proven otherwise.

Posted by: Methos at January 06, 2009 02:11 PM (Wf8fc)

55 Hey BBC:

Try your argument with the widows and survivors of the Iraqi widows who have acted as suicidal bombers, killing our troops, after their spouses were killed by us, whether rightly or wrongly. Violence begets violence and thank God we have a General Petraeus who could see that the cycle of violence could only be stopped by trying to make friends of our enemies, not make more enemies.

Posted by: Hooseierbrad at January 06, 2009 02:13 PM (y/JJL)

56 "Why didn't they send in ground troops to verify the school was being used as a base for Hamas before they decided to blow it up."

Good question. I've alway's wondered why the 9-11 hijackers didn't fly around the towers and the Pentagon a few times to make sure they were empty. If they had known they were full of people, I just know in my heart of hearts they would have turned around and landed those planes.

Posted by: Blazer at January 06, 2009 02:13 PM (+FzLa)

57 Last I checked there were about 600 casualties of which 140 were estimated to be civilians. Of those 140, a number were human shields and you can blame Hamas for their deaths.

Israel to it's credit has bent over backwards not to kill civilians. Also, they are shipping in food and medicine and opening a pipeline for oil.

Posted by: A Plover In Every Pot! at January 06, 2009 02:14 PM (wFYko)

58 ...the cycle of violence could only be stopped by trying to make friends of our enemies, not make more enemies.

And where was your hand-wringing and condemnation of Hamas creating more killers as they indiscriminately killed Israelis for years and years and years? At least Israel is trying to avoid killing civilians, despite Hamas' insistence on intentionally putting them in harm's way.

Is it only wrong to fight back, Brad?

Posted by: wiserbud at January 06, 2009 02:19 PM (wWwJR)

59 "...the cycle of violence could only be stopped by trying to make friends of our enemies, not make more enemies."

In an alternate Universe that would probably work. Unfortunately being friends with most of our enemies in this world mean's dhimmitude and they will accept no substitute.

Posted by: Blazer at January 06, 2009 02:22 PM (+FzLa)

60 The IDF should have used unicorns. The unicorns could have gone into the school wearing magical capes that make them invisible to terrorists. After handing out fun size packages of Skittles� to the children not wearing suicide vests, they could have led them through the valley of gum drops and into the cotton candy fortress of safety.

Posted by: Hooseierbrad at January 06, 2009 02:22 PM (Y5LIx)

The IDF has ground troops in Gaza. Why didn't they send in ground troops to verify the school was being used as a base for Hamas before they decided to blow it up.

Uh, they verified that mortar shells were being fired from the school. That's why the IDF attacked it. Secondary explosions ensued because it was full of bubble gum smiles and volatile munitions, but mostly volatile munitions. What good would have come from putting IDF troops in extreme danger to verify what was already painfully obvious to anyone paying attention?

This is the kind of event that leads to life-long hatred by the innocent victims of such arbitrary violence.

There's that word "arbitrary", just like Hamas's lickspittle spokesman would say. Good little liberal poodle.

And no, Brad, their bullshit death cult of a "religion" is what leads to "Palestinian" life-long hatred of Jews. They hate you too, dipshit. Best to get on your knees and apologize for all the ways you've wronged them.

Next up on Brad's speaking tour: What They Did Wrong. Why the Jews Kinda Asked for the Holocaust.

Israel should do what is necessary to protect itself, but it should also try to insure that collateral damage (loss of innocent civiliam lives) is limited.

You mean like giving advance public notice of the targets they're about to attack so that the innocents have an opportunity to flee the area? The same innocents who are being packed into targets so that soft-headed fools like you will well up with sympathy for the Palis?

The Israelis are going way, way, way out of their way to minimize civilian casualties, perhaps to the point of putting themselves at an inadvisable military disadvantage. But dammit, people are somehow still getting killed in a war, so they've got to do more.

Each side should realize that killing innocents only creates future antagonists, like we have found to our regret in Iraq.

No, killing people just creates corpses. And the only people "regretting" our overwhelming victory in Iraq are the Islamonazis and "progressives" that were so heavily emotionally invested in the losing side. You'll get over it.

General Petraeus who could see that the cycle of violence could only be stopped by trying to make friends of our enemies, not make more enemies.

Yeah, I'm sure that's how he would describe his strategy. It's all about making friends of our enemies; that's how wars are won. If only we'd organized a mixer with the VC in the 60's, that whole 'Nam spat would have turned out quite differently, I reckon.

Conan, what is best in life?

To cuddle your enemies, drive them to Pottery Barn, and watch What a Woman Wants while sharing a big scoop of Rocky Road.

Posted by: The BBC at January 06, 2009 02:29 PM (gQ+XA)

/sock

Posted by: VJay at January 06, 2009 02:31 PM (gQ+XA)

Conan, what is best in life?

To cuddle your enemies, drive them to Pottery Barn, and watch What a Woman Wants while sharing a big scoop of Rocky Road

Priceless

Posted by: Vic at January 06, 2009 02:34 PM (f6os6)

64 Israel Matsav: "First official response to explosion at UN school"

http://tinyurl.com/8dtyaj

Posted by: Bugler at January 06, 2009 02:34 PM (YCVBL)

65 Widows of Iraqi widows?

Shit, when did Iraq get gay marriage? Has someone told Andi?

Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 06, 2009 02:34 PM (fGDhl)

H-brad must be having a little fun with us. Not even the most demented leftard is that earnest and serious in their moral equivalence when they post here.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at January 06, 2009 02:35 PM (wgLRl)

67 Violence begets violence and thank God we have a General Petraeus who could see that the cycle of violence could only be stopped by trying to make friends of our enemies, not make more enemies.

Would you mind citing the article that records when Petraeus ordered all US troops in Iraq to switch over to non-lethal weapons when engaging insurgents? I was under the impression that the basic surge strategy was to separate out those who were dedicated to the fight and eradicate them to the last man, woman, or camel. But I could be wrong.

I think someone else has already made the point about the flood of German and Japanese suicide bombers we've had to endure since 1946, but it bears repeating. Violence only begets violence when you leave the war unfinished. When you win decisively (by massively running up their body count) you get peace, and not a day sooner.

Posted by: Methos at January 06, 2009 02:36 PM (Wf8fc)

68 HoosierBrad, correct me if I'm wrong, but have the Apaches attacked any white settlers lately?

Posted by: ushie at January 06, 2009 02:37 PM (XWJh5)

69 We have worked on splodefying the horn on the unicorn. Unicorns are pretty hard to find these days. We've settled for using humans.

We also hear the Zionists like their matzoball soup. Attempts to splodefy the soup are yet unsuccessful.

Does anyone know Mel Brooks? We'd like to splodefy his films for maximum reach into Zionist communities worldwide.

Posted by: Hamas Spokesperson at January 06, 2009 02:37 PM (AHrTm)

70 Try your argument with the widows and survivors of the Iraqi widows who have acted as suicidal bombers, killing our troops, after their spouses were killed by us, whether rightly or wrongly.

Unclear antecedents are a bitch. In this instance, your unclear antecedent also clothes your nonsense in a cloak of nonsense.

Posted by: Al Gore at January 06, 2009 02:39 PM (hnq5i)

71 The IDF found a mortar and at least two dead Hamassies in the school:

http://tinyurl.com/5k68ua

Posted by: Bugler at January 06, 2009 03:27 PM (YCVBL)

72 Maybe I'm a moron, but I've always thought that the main intent of armed conflict is not to make friends of your enemies, it's to make corpses of your enemies. You can make friends with the survivors, but while the war's still a going concern, we should spend more time worrying about killing them than worrying about whether or not they like us.

Posted by: Russ from Winterset at January 06, 2009 03:30 PM (dyz/7)

73 Does disproportionate response mean anything to you people?

Hamas hasn't be annihilated to the last man, so, yes the response as been disproportionate. When they've killed or captured every last member, then it will be proportionate.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at January 06, 2009 03:41 PM (1hM1d)

74 Violence begets violence and thank God we have a General Petraeus who could see that the cycle of violence could only be stopped by trying to make friends of our enemies, not make more enemies.

Only in the sense that he borrowed from the Marines:

No better friends, no worse an enemy.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at January 06, 2009 03:45 PM (1hM1d)

75 The UN is now reporting that the IDF has taken out 4 of their buildings in the last 24 hours. Assuming the IDF is targeting these buildings because they are hotbeds of terrorist activity, what's it going to take for the obvious to be stated by one of our so called leaders, the UN is actively supporting terrorists.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 06, 2009 04:18 PM (VW9/y)

Don't give a shit-

For the sake of argument lets say 40 kids were killed.

40 less future Palestinian suicide bombers.

I hope they (Israel) turn Gaza into a large parking lot.

Posted by: gdonovan at January 06, 2009 04:26 PM (sl3iH)

77
75 The UN is now reporting that the IDF has taken out 4 of their buildings in the last 24 hours.

You know the UN left a key under the welcome mat for Hamas. Probably left a note on the fridge, "Make your self at home!" ( But the note would probably be in French. )

Posted by: Dang at January 06, 2009 04:40 PM (Y5LIx)

Update from Gateway Pundit

IDF says antitank missiles and two dead terrorists found in "school".

Posted by: andycanuck at January 06, 2009 04:45 PM (55TIb)

79 I gotta give Israel credit. They have started to learn how to play the media game well, unlike the last time.

Posted by: wiserbud at January 06, 2009 04:49 PM (IHbof)

80 and muqata blog has up an AP story in which the residents admit Hamas was using the location as a firing position ... and btw sca-rue proportionality

Posted by: Wolverine at January 06, 2009 07:12 PM (rX9zj)

Schools, hospitals, places of worship and other places normally on the do not target list according to the Geneva Convention lose their protected status when used for military purposes. So, if Hamas is firing mortars from a school, that school is a legitimate target. Same if the school is being used to store weapons, as it was given the secondary explosions when Israel returned fire.

Of course, none of this matters to Hamas or their allies in the libs and MSM. The goal is propaganda to make Israel look bad, and the UN is happy to help them in this.

Posted by: BattleofthePyramids at January 06, 2009 08:25 PM (JJAbv)

82 The UN Hamas is now reporting that the IDF Evil flying JOOOOOOOZ have taken out 4 of their buildings in the last 24 hours. And they're officially bummed out now...

Fixed that for ya. Yer welcome.

Posted by: Enter sandman at January 06, 2009 09:33 PM (zxaA2)

lose their protected status when used for military purposes.

And those using the civilian sites for military purposes are to be charged with War Crimes, not those attacking the sites.

Posted by: andycanuck at January 06, 2009 11:10 PM (55TIb)

Given Hamas' penchant for absolute honesty in the past, I'm sure that the school was being used as a military installation. However, every corpse becomes a combatant when you put a weapon next to them. An RPG makes as good a "drop gun" as anything.

Not that I particularly care either way. Gotta figure most Gazans would realize that the safest place there is going to be behind Israeli lines, not in front of them.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at January 07, 2009 12:33 AM (8MuSQ)

Personally, when the Gazans elected Hamas as their government they all became terrorists to me, and therefore legitimate targets for the IDF. It sucks for Gazans who voted against the party of terrorism, but that's how representative democracy works-- the winners are the government of all the country, and all the country gets to suffer the consequences if the winners enact suicidally stupid policies.

As far as proportionate response goes, my belief is that Israel should mount a response proportionate to Hamas's intentions. As far as I can tell, that means they're pretty much OK to kill every man, woman, child and dog who so much as expresses support for Hamas, and from everything I've seen Israel is about 9,999,879,345,678.3245 times more careful about protecting civilians than Hamas has ever been.

Remember, "There is no 'overkill'. There is only, 'Open Fire,' and 'I need to reload'."

Also, another part of just war theory is that you must have a reasonable belief that your war goals are achievable through the military means you can employ. If Hamas has such a belief about the weapons and tactics they have so far employed, they are totally batshit fucking crazy.

Posted by: Calix at January 07, 2009 04:49 AM (8d3U/)

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