1 Now she qualifies to be speaker of the house.

2 Good Alaskan stock.

Hopefully he won't be cookin' meth like his other set of grandparents, or whatever...

3 Good for them!

4 And now she's America's hottest Grandma.

5

6 Congrats to them...and God bless, really.

I guess the guy really loves hockey eh?

Easton sticks and Mitchell pads.

7

I wish them the best, but I don't think unplanned, out of wedlock births are really something for the community at large to celebrate. The marriage, if it happens, will face steep odds. The child is more at risk for developmental challenges than one born in marriage and planning. (Even with a famous grandma.)

It's the number one social problem in the country. The message has to be that 'this is not the way to do it.' Maybe not actually state it, but certainly demonstate it by a restrained reaction.

 

8 Sully will want blood tests to see if Todd Palin is the kid's father.

9

And now she's America's hottest Grandma

GILF?

10 Let the paranoia continue.

11 CJ,

It seems to me that you've had three months - when we all found out that Bristol was pregnant - to express disapproval over the way young Tripp was conceived. The healthy birth of a child, under any circumstances, is to be congratulated without qualification, in my book. Hold the finger-shaking for another day.

12 The infant then broke out of the neonatal care facility and led police on a three-county snowmachine chase...

13 Sullivan?  Math?

BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Lefties don't do math.

14 The grandmother has been charged with drug dealing, and they name the child TRIP...???

You just cannot make that stuff up!!!

15 13 Sullivan?  Math?

BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Lefties don't do math.

Seriously.  It's amazing how smart these people think they are and they wouldn't last a day in Calculus I, let alone a course that isn't remedial.

16

17
Oh, look! The same trolls are copy and pasting their stupid remarks from the other thread into this one. Where is the "aoshq editor" when we need one?

18 You stay classy, Palin's a hick.

19 #11
Indeed!

20 ggRRRrrRAAAAAGGHhhhhAAARRRRGGghhhnn nnnuuuugnnnRRRAAAAHH!!!

21 Congrats to both mom and dad. I just had my second daughter in August and its a joyous feeling that you can fully explain.

22 Oops. I meant to say its a joyous feeling that you can't fully explain.

23

Unfuckingbelievable.  Did anyone read even the TITLE and the FIRST sentence of that Yahoo article?  No pretense of objectivity.  Whatsoever.  Why even pretend anymore?  They hate who they hate, and they don't need to have, you know, reasons for it.  And why am I still having such a visceral reaction when this is nothing new?  It's not like I'm surprised.  They should have just gone with the title they all wanted to: "Unmarried, hilbilly teenage whore pops out kid, making stupid Palin a stupid grandma". 

24 Yep. I'm Axlerod's but-boy. He lets me play on teh interwebs when I'm not busy taking his cock into my ass and mouth.

25 Fuck I thought it was a joke. They actually named the kid Trip, with the kid's grandmother facing drugs charges. Also, my homo president did coke and can't man up and quit smoking, but let's not talk about that mkay?

26 14-
Noticed you fixed the spelling this time, stinky lips.

27 Good grief Charlie Brown, is Sarah Palin still scaring the liberals?

28 ...although, if I'm reading between the lines correctly, then I am to now assume that it's no longer Sarah Palin's fault for losing the election--it's really Bristol's.  Oh, I see.  Thanks, Yahoo and ilk.

29 Glad the baby is healthy. They say the second pregnancy and birth is easier then the first. Trig must be happy to have a baby brother.

30 There's an AP reporter based in Anchorage named Rachel D'Oro who has been the writer of some of the more outrageous AP articles about Palin. Vendetta doesn't even begin to describe D'oro's approach to covering all things Palin.

31 29-You need some new material stinky lips 2.

32 And another thing, don't you just hate it when you're talking to yourself and you decide to record it to share with the world. I know I do but then again, I eat dogshit for kicks.

33 Posted by: Veronica at December 29, 2008 09:26 PM (710om)

Hi Bill.

34 The internet is where you can safely say things that would get you punched out anywhere else.

35

You know how smart Veronica and Brian are? They misspelled the name "Tripp."

Ha ha! Tripp sounds like trip, which is like a slang drug term, so it's like those hillbillies named their bastard son after a drug trip. Ha ha!

The "Trollop" crack was a nice joke, too. Alliteration is tres funny.

36

I bet Bristol gave birth to Tripp in Sarah's tanning bed while wearing one of the outfits that the RNC bought for Sarah. I think we need to get someone to check on this right away. I mean, this is for national security and all.

/sarc

37 Where is the placenta??  WHERE IS THE PLACENTA?!?!

38 #25 Veronica, that there is one of the benefits of a high school diploma. Hard to believe neither of the parents have one isn't it. (That is of course if Levi is actually the biological father).

39 Sorry for the outburst, I must get back to sucking that tranny crackhead's cock now.

40  but, of course, you already knew about this, working  in a Republican Senator's office and all, right Bill Veronica Cockholster? Got the internal memo and shit...

41 Hi y'all!  I've never accomplished anything important and I know deep down I'm never going to accomplish anything important, so if you don't mind, I'll take a second to shit over a little kid being born because I'm still bitter over a person who's in every way my superior.

42 OMG!

The Palins are marsupials!

I knew it!

43 Relax folks,
The fanny bandits are just mad about the Prop in Ca outlawing gay marriage.

44 Ok, you caught me! I am really homeless crackwhore just pretending to be a liberal. Hah! I had you fooled, didn't I?

45 38 #25 Veronica, that there is one of the benefits of a high school diploma. Hard to believe neither of the parents have one isn't it. (That is of course if Levi is actually the biological father).

Posted by: Brian at December 29, 2008 09:34 PM (YrCzB)

Another benefit is that I can spend all my time on the internet!

Imagine if I had a decent job - Think I could do this?  Hell no.  But without any serious career prospects, I can fart all over a thread about a kid being born because I hate her grandmother!

46 Speaking of biological fathers, the best part of me ran down his leg. I try to make up for my numerous deficiencies by taking strangers' cocks into my mouth and ass, but my pink sock usually turns them off.

47 Trolls are bizarre.

48 I am really homeless crackwhore just pretending to be a liberal.

Isn't that just another way of saying hobo?
I hope you aren't in NYC tonight. There is a moron meetup tonight. A hobo hunt we be a nice way to wrap things up.

49 GMILF IN THE HOUSE!!

50 47 Trolls are bizarre.

Posted by: katya at December 29, 2008 09:41 PM (oRJZj)

DON'T BE HATIN' ON ME CUZ I CRAVE TEH COCK!!111! ANDI SULLIVAN SAYS I GOTS TEH PURDIEST MOUTH HE EVAH DONE SEEN!

51 God, I just love the taste and texture of balls in my mouth...I can't get enough of it!!!

52 The great thing about being a moderate liberal is we don't have to come from
perfect families because unlike hypocritical Republicans, we don't profess to be the moral majority. We live in reality.

Conservatives, on the other hand, tend to idealize and preach about how perfect families have a mommy and a daddy who are married and teach abstinence to their hormone soaked teenage kids.

That is why this is so enjoyable.

53 I love balls in my mouth, too!!!

54 Actually on that point I just love "abstinence-only" sex education. Worked out nicely here, didn't it? Also, maybe Levi's Mom hasn't exactly been "saying no to drugs."

55

#52

Proves that you really don't know any of us.

56 The great thing about being a moderate liberal is we don't have to come from perfect families because unlike hypocritical Republicans, we don't profess to be the moral majority. We live in reality.

-

Absolutely, you should know better, conservative!

"The reason any conservative's failing is always major news is that it allows liberals to engage in their very favorite taunt: Hypocrisy! Hypocrisy is the only sin that really inflames them. Inasmuch as liberals have no morals, they can sit back and criticize other people for failing to meet the standards that liberals simply renounce. It's an intriguing strategy. By openly admitting to being philanderers, draft dodgers, liars, weasels and cowards, liberals avoid ever being hypocrites."
-Ann Coulter

I think my hero said it best:

There are no more barriers to cross. All I have in common with the uncontrollable and the insane, the vicious and the evil, all the mayhem I have caused and my utter indifference toward it I have now surpassed. My pain is constant and sharp and I do not hope for a better world for anyone, in fact I want my pain to be inflicted on others. I want no one to escape, but even after admitting this there is no catharsis, my punishment continues to elude me and I gain no deeper knowledge of myself; no new knowledge can be extracted from my telling. This confession has meant nothing.

57 Congratulations to the Palin family!!  Andi Sullivan should have been discarded in a condom, but since he wasn't, well, we'll just have to deal with it.  Sigh.

58 Conservatives, on the other hand, tend to idealize and preach about how perfect families have a mommy and a daddy who are married and teach abstinence to their hormone soaked teenage kids.

Brian's right...from now on my message to my teenagers is "Screw away, kiddies!"

My, this IS enjoyable.

Any more words of wisdom for us, Brian?

59

Brian #52

You know what is enjoyable? Knowing you are so fucking stupid that you are going to forget to breath one of these days and that will be the end of you.

60 I see "Palins a hick" STILL hasn't figured out how to use an apostrophe.

Sad....and very "hick"-like.

61 katya,

True dat!

62 The great thing about being a conservative is not having to call yourself an oxymoron like "moderate liberal".

63 59

Brian #52

You know what is enjoyable? Knowing you are so fucking stupid that you are going to forget to breath one of these days and that will be the end of you.

Posted by: Ronster at December 29, 2008 09:55 PM (o8S99)

My HIV has blossomed into full-blown AIDS, and I have numerous other STD's, so I probably won't be around much longer anyway.  I just can't resist having strange men's cocks rammed bareback up my distended anus!

64 Geez Brian, give it a rest.

65

Sorry Robert,

I'm not addressing this to the family. It's not about them. It's about our response to it.

The healthy birth of a child, under any circumstances, is to be congratulated without qualification, in my book.

I'm sure you don't mean "any" circumstance. You don't congratulate someone for doing what a dog can do. You congratulate them for doing it right. Again, no one wants to 'shun' the parents. Or be anything but polite. But congratulations for fucking (up) doesn't seem right. How else do we encourage people to take this shit seriously?

66 I (heart) Veronica!

67 You trolls, are you just that small, that pathetic, that infantile? Why, yes, it seems you are that small and infantile. Gads, you folks are less than zero, aren't you? I mean, you got the dude (dud?) Nobama, you were all yammering over, and you still can't be gracious even with a RezkoAcornGerrymanderedDistrictCrooked ass Secretary of State "victory" can you?
As a concerned leftist agnostic atheist gaia worshipper, I just want to invite you all to go to your center, focus on your breathing, think green thoughts, and warm hugs, and then...PULL YOU FRIGGIN HEADS OUTTA YOUR ASSES, you miserable clowns.
For God's sakes, if you believe in that sort of thing, you would give  your Teleprompter Messiah a moment or two to wipe the residue off his crank after he finished sodomizing Axelnut, wouldncha? Well, maybe not, and you'd probably genuflect at the rerun video on Youtube...so, no, I guess expecting anything better from you sorry pieces of human waste is an exercise in stupidity. Mine for expecting some decency from human hemorrhoids, yours for being just who you are.
Give the Palin family, all of them a littel breathing room. Go breath down Blago's hairy ass neck and ask him how Gutterball's nuts taste. I'm sure he or Rahm can givew you a vivid description of that. Maybe they'll let you smell their fetid nutlicker  breathe.
Buck up leftist camper, soon you'll have Franken to look up to, a Senator so dumb he makes you and your ramblings look Professorial.
Damn, ain't being a leftist sock puppet swell?
Ain't it just?

 

68 #56 I'm sorry I forgot how much Christian conservatives hate the word hypocrisy. How about casuistry, pharisaicalness or sanctimonious.

All words that suitably apply to your average republican on these issues.

69 I think I saw Brian the other day.

He was brown and had a fair amount of peanuts and corn stuck in him. We didn't have time to talk. He had to go down to the river.

70 My HIV has blossomed into full-blown AIDS, and I have numerous other STD's, so I probably won't be around much longer anyway.  I just can't resist having strange men's cocks rammed bareback up my distended anus!

Posted by: Brian at December 29, 2008 09:57 PM (Yf3BU)

That's mean! You're engaging in a personal attack!  That's what distinguishes us liberals from conservatives! We'd never do something like that!!

71 I'm the cockholster's Cockholster!

72

#68

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!  Calling us hypocrites!

73 #58 Deb, or you could tell them what a condom is in case they ever stray from the ideal. There's a reason southern christian teenagers have much higher rates of pregnancy then the national average.

74 Hey Brian, I love your work on Family Guy!

75 Libs never celebrate birth, they only celebrate if the mother was underage, the father was 3 to 4 times her age, and Planned Parenthood was permitted to suck the material out of her womb with one of their super-special eugenic vacuum cleaners.

Oh, and preferably one of the parents would be a minority.

76 68 #56 I'm sorry I forgot how much Christian conservatives hate the word hypocrisy. How about casuistry, pharisaicalness or sanctimonious.

All words that suitably apply to your average republican on these issues.

Posted by: Brian at December 29, 2008 10:01 PM (YrCzB)


I'm not a conservative, you idiot! I'm a liberal! Hypocrisy is for people with standards!

I'm sanctimonious about Sarah Palin even though I think Caroline Kennedy is awesome! How dare you call me a hypocrite!

The Palin family is a bunch of inexperienced degenerates unfit to lead this country.

That's why we need the Kennedys!

77 So, Brian, Bristol having sex is ok, as long as she uses a condom?

78 68 #56 I'm sorry I forgot how much Christian conservatives hate the word hypocrisy. How about casuistry, pharisaicalness or sanctimonious.
All words that suitably apply to your average republican on these issues.

DANG!!!  Yo quat usin tham thar bige wards here Brain!!!...weahl dun ant that smart an suuuch.

79

 

You hick's are so dumb you dont even realise I am using a computer program to post under different I P address's.

Dumbass hick's!

80 Brian, on the other hand will never have to worry about getting a girl pregnant because he's a fanny bandit.  Still, keep that condom idea in mind Brian, if it's not too late, it might save your life.

81 There's a reason southern christian teenagers have much higher rates of pregnancy then the national average.

Hmmmmm....very compelling....wait.... you think that may be because they have fewer abortions?

82 A couple of misspellings there, but my typing blows, so who cares?
As a concerned fellow, atheistic, agnostic, Gaia- worshipping, meat-free, Vegan Anti-nuke pacifist, I have to say you trolls are nothing less than feces. Actually a step below that, whatever that maybe.

I'll leave that to the rest of the folks on this blog. I'm sure they'll come up with something colorful, if not downright offensive.
And I say this with all the concerned atheistic blah blah blah in my heart...
oh, just fuck off you pigs. Let a young lady have a baby in peace, you shithooks.

Yeah, you trolls suck.

83 He was brown and had a fair amount of peanuts and corn stuck in him. We didn't have time to talk. He had to go down to the river.


Brian is Mr Hankey!?!?! Not surprised...Christmas is over.

84 Easy, Sandy.  Nothing but a couple of big talking sissies.

85 68 #56 I'm sorry I forgot how much Christian conservatives hate the word hypocrisy. How about casuistry, pharisaicalness or sanctimonious.

All words that suitably apply to your average republican on these issues.

Posted by: Brian at December 29, 2008 10:01 PM (YrCzB)

In case you haven't noticed, AOS Morons aren't exactly your typical Pubbies. We don't give a fuck about shit like this. And BTW, you mixed verbs and adjectives in your alternative word list. Minor transgression perhaps, but I'd think an enlightened genius such as yourself would know better. Unless your just a dumbfuck who never heard any of those words until you looked them up in a thesaurus just to post that, since (based on some of your previous posts) too much of your time seems to be occupied with taking strangers cocks into your mouth and ass for any real education.

86

you think that may be because they have fewer abortions?

Just what I was thinking, Deb.

87

Palin would not even know what HTLM is.!!

I use it every day in my profesinoll work as a computer profesinal.

Ignorant hick's! lol!

88 Way to go guys, now Brian's crying.  Meanies.

89 CJ: It's about >your< response to "it," not ours. And when you can say that a birth isn't about the family in question but about the community's judgement of them, well, you're showing a bit too much of the herd's ring in your nose.

If there's one thing the GOP could use, it's a bit less of the nanny and a bit more of the MYOB.

90 It's alright sandman and others I can understand why you're upset. I mean you've got to admit its pretty fucking embarrassing when your preferred 2012 presidential candidate's daughter names her child Trip at the same time as the other grandmother is facing drugs charges. The nation's comedians are going to dine out on this one for a very long time.

91 Deb, or you could tell them what a condom is in case they ever stray from the ideal.

HEY, RETARD, what makes you think that I would be interested in taking advice from some amoral troll on a website???

And what is this "ideal" you speak of? Abstinence? You small minded, hypocritical hick, you.

92

Trolls, Obama's kids grew up listening and learning from a racist; they have learned that our troops are murderers, the CIA created AIDS, that God Damn America is in the Bible, and that our chickens were coming home to roost on 9/11.

This kid's uncle is a patriot protecting our rights to act like morons on the internet.  I think Tripp Palin is going to turn out better than the Obama kids who have been brainwashed to hate white people from growing up listening to Jeremiah Wright and babysat by a unrepentant domestic terrorist.

93 Brian? Good name. From now on, instead of refering to taking a shit as "Voting Dem" or "Taking a Bill, and wipiing my Hillary" I'll just say I'm taking a "Brian."
And wiping my Obama.
With lotion softened ass wipe , no less. Nothing is too good for the O.

94

Sorry,

I went too far with that last comment.

My apologies.

95 "I just want them to love me.  Why won't they love me.  Look at me!  Look at Me!!  For the love of the great Obama, LOOK AT MEEEEEEE!!!!!  ahhhhhhhhh!
There, there Brian/Twat, etc.  there. there.

96 You, know, I think the Dems have pretty much spent their Bipartisan capital no matter what they old guy from Arizona says...

97 I mean you've got to admit its pretty fucking embarrassing when your preferred 2012 presidential candidate's daughter names her child Trip at the same time as the other grandmother is facing drugs charges.

Yeah, that's so much more outrageous than having a half brother who lives in a ramshackle shack, or accepting illegal campaign donations from an aunt who's an illegal alien living in a Boston slum. Nothing embarrassing about any of that.

Shame on Sarah Palin for not being able to choose her in-laws.

98

 

You know,

some people were born with a silver spoon in their mouth.

Obama was born with a little one on his necklace.

99 Brian seems to think Conservatives like teenage pregnancy. I kinda thought Conservatives like trying to do the right thing and they know humans sometimes fail. So, Conservatives leave plenty of room in their hearts for forgiveness and love of the innocent.

100 You know what's cool about being a liberal! We can attack a newborn infant for having a grandparent arrested for drugs . . . even though we elected Barack Obama as our President!

That's what makes us cool: no hypocrisy and all class!

101 54 Actually on that point I just love "abstinence-only" sex education. Worked out nicely here, didn't it? Also, maybe Levi's Mom hasn't exactly been "saying no to drugs."

Posted by: Brian at December 29, 2008 09:51 PM (YrCzB)

Since Palin has never supported "abstinence only" education, I fail to see how that's relevant.

102 Palins a hick at December 29, 2008

Hey, Ass hat: you do realize your most famous Senator is going to be the biggest failure in the History of SNL, Franken, right?
I guess they won't make jokes about him since he's not funny, his career isn't funny, and no one wants to hear that asswipe lisp his way through a speech that could kill black mold.
That wouldn't be funny either. Having Chris Matthews and Queef Odorman come out of the closet, now that would be funny. Disgusting, but funny.

103 #72

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!  Calling us hypocrites!

Dumping on the circumstances of the birth of Palin's grandchild while droolingly awaiting the coronation of Barry Dunham/Obama/Soetoro/this-space-available-for-random-jizz-donor.  No, not hypocritical at all.....

104 "13 Sullivan?  Math?

BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Lefties don't do math."

Meth.

The word is Meth,  M  E  T  H  Meth.

105

embarrassing when your preferred 2012 presidential candidate's daughter names her child Trip at the same time as the other grandmother is facing drugs charges.

I couldn't care less what someone else names their kid.  And some of my blood relatives have had run-ins with the law involving illegal substances.  Far be it from me to judge anybody based on their relatives' actions.

106

 

Oooh, dont tell anyone about Obama's father dying from alcohol abuse.

Late night comedians might dine out on that forever.

107

Brian @ 54 "Actually on that point I just love "abstinence-only" sex education. Worked out nicely here, didn't it?"

about as well as the garbage mans rubber did in your case bro. 

Brian @ 54 "Also, maybe Levi's Mom hasn't exactly been "saying no to drugs."

gosh my friend so many similarities between your mom and Levi's!

108 And yes, the whole thing is, the baby has no responsibility for his conception.

From  that point on, the babey has a right to a long, trouble-free life.

109

Congrats to the family!!!

Senator Tripp (R-Alaska) in 38

110 Hmmm.

What I find amusing is the double-standard that lefties apply to drug offenses.  RFK gets stopped for driving while high as a kite?  No prob.

*shrug* we'll just have to see what happens at trial.  Not every accusation made by police can be proven and in that highly political atmosphere, where a state trooper can threaten the father of the Governor with death and get away with it, I'd almost believe anything at this point.

111

 

What do Obama and Osama have in common?

They both have friends who bombed the Pentagon.

112

Late night comedians might dine out on that forever.

Late night comedians are a pack of hypocrites who won't touch anything Obama and his disciples do.

113 I would apologize but I don't have anything I regret saying here. And you Trolls still have to spend 6 glorious years with the knowledge that Al Fuck-up Franken, the first guy the SNL people fired in the history if the show, is you best candidate in the state of Minnesota.
He's your INTELLIGENTSIA, you nimrods, your BEST, and that dufus is a lisping knucklehead.
All insults aside, he's the very best you can do. And you're having to cheat to get him in.
You're cheating to get a guy in office that you probably wouldn't want driving your kids to school in the morning. A guy too stupid  to drive a school bus.

That's your BEST, and that's pathetic.
Anything you say pales next to that simple fact, asshats.

114

 

'Pot had helped, and booze; maybe a little blow when you could afford it'.

Barack Obama - 'Dreams from my father'.

115 pathetic...democrat...cheating...so many ways to say the same thing.
My typing still sucks but I don't care.

116 #106 "Oooh, dont tell anyone about Obama's father dying from alcohol abuse."

Hey, he saw what was coming...

117 maybe Levi's Mom hasn't exactly been "saying no to drugs."

You know who else didn't say no to drugs?  Barack Obama.

118

 CJ: It's about >your< response to "it," not ours. And when you can say that a birth isn't about the family in question but about the community's judgement of them, well, you're showing a bit too much of the herd's ring in your nose. If there's one thing the GOP could use, it's a bit less of the nanny and a bit more of the MYOB.

Give me a break, rail. Don't hide behind the baby. It is precisely because I don't like the nanny state that I don't cheer the circumstances that BROUGHT THAT STATE ABOUT.

If you're afraid to "judge" (which in this case involves nothing more than not putting on a happy face) then you need to get behind those Great Society programs designed to support the new, nontraditional family.

119 And by "didn't say no", I mean Barack Obama could join Rick James in saying cocaine is a helluva drug.

120 My favorite part of the story has always been that at the time the pregnancy was announced Levi and Bristol had been "dating" for 3 years. ie he'd been hitting that since she was 14.

121 120-
still here, stinky lips?

122 120 My favorite part of the story has always been that at the time the pregnancy was announced Levi and Bristol had been "dating" for 3 years. ie he'd been hitting that since she was 14.

So what's wrong with that?  You've been hitting your Mom since you were 11, right?

123 #117 So Redfox basically what your saying is that Obama was too smart to get caught unlike the families the Palins hang out with.

124 90 It's alright sandman and others I can understand why you're upset. I mean you've got to admit its pretty fucking embarrassing when your preferred 2012 presidential candidate's daughter names her child Trip at the same time as the other grandmother is facing drugs charges. The nation's comedians are going to dine out on this one for a very long time.

Posted by: Palins a hick at December 29, 2008 10:13 PM (B5k/5)

Almost as embarrassing as considering appointing somebody to the Senate whose family includes a bootlegger, several notorious drunks, a drug-and-STD-addled President who nearly ignited World War III with his inept diplomacy, an idiot who couldn't ski down a hill without crashing into a tree and dying, an drunken moron who couldn't drive a car without drowning his passenger, a dunce who catastrophically failed at piloting a small aircraft, and a girl who was lobotomized so she'd keep quiet about the abortion her dad got her after she got knocked up. And, speaking of hypocrisy, how about that last one? Good, upstanding Irish Catholic gets his daughter lobotomized to cover up the abortion he got her after she got knocked up. I tell ya, those east coast blue-bloods are so morally superior! And even more hypocrisy: The Saviors of the Earth have among their ranks one Edward Kennedy, who, among other transgressions, got a wind farm project which could have provided clean, sustainable energy killed because it would interfere with his view while sailing. Sailing, I might add, the very same yacht on which he illegally ordered a crew member to pump leaked oil from the engine room into Nantucket Sound. I thought wee had to save our Mother the Earth?!?! And here we have a leftard icon like Ted Kennedy dumping oil into Mother Earth's precious oceans, and blocking a project which would have helped us become independent of Evil, Greedy Big Oil. Damn, that's what I call hypocrisy.

125 Oh and by the way, AssHat...correct grammar would be 'Palin's a Hick'...not that it would matter to you...

126 Palins a hick,

Look, Pal, not every guy treats his girlfriend the same way you treat your hamster.

127 120 My favorite part of the story has always been that at the time the pregnancy was announced Levi and Bristol had been "dating" for 3 years. ie he'd been hitting that since she was 14.

Posted by: Palins a hick at December 29, 2008 10:43 PM (B5k/5)

-

My favorite part of the Obama Presidency is I elected a guy who was conceived out of wedlock with a 18-year old, abandoned at 2, and yet I make fun of other people's families!

128 #123  Yeah...Obambi's too smart...have you ever considered that your precious media supporters buried all of his transgressions?  No?...yes, I thought not.

129 123 #117 So Redfox basically what your saying is that Obama was too smart to get caught unlike the families the Palins hang out with.

Posted by: Palins a hick at December 29, 2008 10:46 PM (B5k/5)

That's the other cool thing about being a Democrat! Breaking the law is only wrong if you're caught!

130 My favorite part of the Obama Presidency is I elected a guy who was conceived out of wedlock with a 18-year old, abandoned at 2, and yet I make fun of other people's families!

That's my Negro!...I mean, erah, erah African-American!

131 My favorite part of the Obama Presidency is I elected a guy who was conceived out of wedlock with a 18-year old, abandoned at 2, and yet I make fun of other people's families!

Posted by: Troll at December 29, 2008 10:48 PM (8BgQw)

Not to mention "mentored" by Frank "Pops" Marshall-Davis. Think Barry has some lingering sexual issues perchance?

132 Obama's "too smart" to "get caught" in the same way any typical Hollywood actor is too smart, I suppose.

133 Osama Obama, I mean Obumble bin Laden...I mean! I mean...

134 You hick's are so dumb you dont even realise I am using a computer program to post under different I P address's.

For his next trick, Brian will make an entire block of Velveeta disappear up his ass.  And if you are trying to makes us think your an idiot Englishman, well, it might be working.

135 But he is OUR Smart Negro Harvard educated African-American, isn't he?

136 Posted by: Teddy in Hyannis at December 29, 2008 10:52 PM (WQqt3)

We need your moral guidance Teddy!  Palin presents a cancer to this republic, please show us the way!

137 And yeah, I did the "your" on purpose, asshat.

138

I'm sure you don't mean "any" circumstance. You don't congratulate someone for doing what a dog can do. You congratulate them for doing it right. Again, no one wants to 'shun' the parents. Or be anything but polite. But congratulations for fucking (up) doesn't seem right. How else do we encourage people to take this shit seriously?

Posted by: CJ at December 29, 2008 10:00 PM (JQtNT)

You just did a two-for, CJ -- you shunned the parents and while being very impolite.

Make that a three-for, equating Bristol's daughter to a puppy conceived by a bitch in heat.

Stay classy, CJ.

139 For his next trick, Brian will make an entire block of Velveeta disappear up his ass.  And if you are trying to makes us think your an idiot Englishman, well, it might be working.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 29, 2008 10:56 PM (ZylhF)

I'm afraid little Brian is unavailable for comment, as he's busy worshiping one of Caroline Kennedy's used tampons (which I suspect he'll shove up his ass at some point in the evening).

140 Bristol & Levi , Congratulations. Soldier on.

141 I'm a big fat pussy trolling the internetz.

142 136 We need your moral guidance Teddy!  Palin presents a cancer to this republic, please show us the way!

This way to the bah...TO THE BAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!MAHHHH CHIVAAAASSSSS!!!!

143 #141 If they wanted a name starting with "T" they could have at least called the kid Thebaine instead.

Gee, B5k/5 knows drug lingo -- now there's a shocker!

144

Pop quiz:

Guess what impeached democratic President shares a birthday with Tripp?

Hint: Its not bill iliedunderoath clinton.

145

hick

If you want to be perceived as being funny, you should go to a lib blog where IQ is below room temperature digits. I'm talking Centigrade asshole.

146 Guess what impeached democratic President shares a birthday with Tripp?

Does Al Gore count in this category just for fun, Alex?

147 Ginger, who no idea?

148 Missed the word impeached, so Andrew Johnson.

149 CJ's right, of course, that having kids in stupid ways is having huge consequences and we need to communicate to our society how important it is to wait to have kids until you can take great care of them.

And the other folks are right that this child is still a wonderful thing full of potential, and doesn't deserve to be tarnished by the way he was conceived.  It's not fair to be lukewarm in welcoming a child.  The kid could be president one day.

Oh well.

Did the Yahoo article change?  I don't see a problem with the title or opening sentence.

150 Ginger,
You never said what your New Years plans were.

151

 

Now you know why Barry O's lips are blue.

Coke O/D.

152

 

What's the difference between a Toby jug and Barry Obama's head?

nothing.

 

153 What is wrong with you trolls?  Can't you just wish them well and move on?
My Lord you people are little and petty and mean.

This is what comes from having no soul.  I pity you.

154

Stay classy, CJ.

When you want to actually challenge what I said, rather than engage in PC, web-approved preening, let me know.

Again, my radical, draconian suggestion is that this approach to starting a family should not be encouraged, and that national 'huzzahs!' probably undermines our longheld stance on healthy families.  

Conservatives don't usually applaud these kinds of things. I don't think fear of looking anything but totally supportative of Gov. Palin in every facet should change our values.

155 They/It doesn't care about anything except getting us all riled up.  Very needy attention freak (s).  Look at Meeeeeeee!!!!!  sob.

156 CJ,

Just for today, separate the out of wedlock part from the birth part.

A new innocent life is here. His family loves him and wants him.

Save the social policy stuff for another day.

157 Well, congratulations on the healthy baby to the parents and grandparents.  I'm sure the baby will be loved and welcomed, and isn't it nice that the baby won't be considered a "punishment" like he would be in the One's family.  Welcome to the world, little one, and may our dark lords Bush, Rowe and Cheny bless you with the full power of the dark side.

158

WWH,

That's between albert jr and me.

 

159

CJ's right, of course, that having kids in stupid ways is having huge consequences and we need to communicate to our society how important it is to wait to have kids until you can take great care of them.

And the other folks are right that this child is still a wonderful thing full of potential, and doesn't deserve to be tarnished by the way he was conceived.  It's not fair to be lukewarm in welcoming a child. 

Well Shill, at least you gave me that much. I think your second point (tarnishing the child??) undermines the first one. But I'll have to take it I guess.

160 Guess what president elect had his first 2 hour interrogation with a federal prosecuter in a criminal investigation before Bristol Palin had her baby? Barack Obama

161 158-
heh.

162

What did that Soviet economist say about the US disintegrating in 2010?  When I see the rats and pigs emerge from their nests to use the birth of a little kid to stir up shit, I'd gladly consider selling off their plot of land to Sudanese slave traders. 

163 Isn't it time for the trolls to retire to their mother's basements and put their retainers on?

164 I'd gladly consider selling off their plot of land

Meanie,
About the best you could do with these flies is sublet the basement out from under them.

165 Dammit, Mrs. P beat me to it.

166 Sorry WWH.  I will let you do the honors next time.

167 Good for them.   Tripp will be pretty fuckin adorable on the campaign trail in three years.

168 The trolls believe the tragic rumor up north that Sara Palin shot Rudolph.
That.is.all.
^{(when ace is 'away' children misbehave)}

169

Save the social policy stuff for another day.

eman, I know I sound like a dick. As the father of two beautiful kids I don't need to be schooled on how amazing the birth of a child is. This isn't the old days...the family won't be shunned. They won't even be aware of our conversation. I'm just asking conservatives be consistent. If the couple who took it seriously enough to do it right is treated no better than the one that didn't, what's the point in doing it the right way?

The social policy stuff directly impacts the political. If every couple is equal and deserves equal respect, let's register Democrat. In the party where individual responsibility doesn't matter.

170

 

Most corrupt President elect admin ever.

P.S. May Rev Wright's earholes turn to assholes and shit on his shoulders.

171 So, Ginger, all that begging paid off, I guess.

172

I think I type for myself when I type:  CJ your are indeed a dick.

173 CJ,

I guess only liberals can make mistakes.  Conservatives, especially young ones, should be shunned, right?

174

 

May the hairs on Obama's ass turn into hammers and beat the shit out of him.

 

175 Congrats to Gov. Palin and her family..

176

WWH,

We are actually going to play Trivial Pursuit. That al is fucking genius in the science and technology section. He told me so himself.

177 I, for one, look forward to Trig licking his hand to 'comb' the baby's hair on that campaign trail in three.

178 The Left's foul reaction to this boy's birth should light a fire in Conservatives. What better answer to tonight's trolls could there be than Sarah Palin taking the Oath of Office in 2013?

(And Barry facing his sentencing hearing on the same day.)

179 Tripp is a better name than Tijuana Hooker and Tijuana Cocaine. Yes, I actually know people that knew people that named their babies those names.

180 I suppose the trolls and libs think Barack Hussein Obama is a better name than Tripp?

181 I knew a kid whose given name was Critter.  Beats the hell out of Tijuana Hooker, tho.

182 CJ,

I know what you mean, Dude/Dudette.

But, not today.

Peace.

183 This just in...Tripp Easton Mitchell Johnston is going to be a father...

184 Critter.

I like that one.

Boy or girl?

185 Thanks WartHog.. Now I know to pack a 'critter' when in Tijuana.

186

Speaking of bundles of joy.

I am now going to go feed my four month old baby girl.

187 Boy.  future ax murderer.

188 OT,

Jawa has some war porn.

Jooz: 10; Hamas: 0.

189 #187 WWH
They'll say..."but he was sooooo quiet and such a good neighbor"

190 Ginger, have you ever heard the song "Jizzed In My Pants"?

191 Ha ha ha ha, they name the little sprog Tripp (given grandmoms circumstances) and we're the mean ones. That kid is going to cop such a flogging when he gets to school. Not to mention that there's about as much chance of Levi marrying Bristol as there is of Jamie Spears marrying her child's father so the kids going to be brought up by an uneducated single mother.

192

OK eman.

Not that we'll take it up tomorrow, or the next day. Peace

193

Conservatives don't usually applaud these kinds of things. I don't think fear of looking anything but totally supportative of Gov. Palin in every facet should change our values.

Posted by: CJ at December 29, 2008 11:19 PM (JQtNT)

I don't applaud it.

But unlike you, I don't equate Bristol's daughter to a puppy conceived by a bitch in heat.

There's a difference, y'know.

Or do you?

194

I think I type for myself when I type:  CJ your are indeed a dick.

I beat you to it. Come up with your own lines.

And make a coherent argument.

195 That kid is going to cop such a flogging when he gets to school.

Now that has got to be the voice of experience.

196 Steven King would make "Critter" the freak who looks like a killer, but is really a gentle spirit.

"You kids quiet down and go to sleep or Critter's gonna come for ya!"

"Critter ain't real!'

"Is too! Joe-Bob seen 'im last winter up by the old mill. He was eatin' a badger."

197 #191
You are crude, vulgar little person and I will answer you the only way you could possibly understand.....FUCK OFF YOU USELESS DOUCHEBAG. 

Have a nice day.
That is all.

198 sickinmass, I thought you picked up critters in Tijuana.

Mrs. P.  Do you know, has there ever been a murder where afterward, the neighbors said, "yep, no surprise...crazier than a road lizard, that one"

I was banging on a guys window in an intersection today.  Hell, maybe I'm normal.

199 WWH,
Not that I can recall.  The latest sad-crazy episode is that awful Xmas Eve massacre out here in SoCal. Neighbors had no problems with him he just went batshit.  What a nightmare for the survivors. 

200

I guess only liberals can make mistakes.  Conservatives, especially young ones, should be shunned, right?

People! I specifically said I was advocating any silly shunning. All I freakin said was let's not celebrate a poorly planned birth. We need a way to encourage couples who do it the right way, and discourage irresponsibility.

How, if have to treat both couples the same?

201 The Palins are hicks  (B5k/5) was dancing with his boyfriend the other night..
 B5k/5 told his boyfriend that he is a shitty dancer..

the boyfriend said, 'how come you always get an erection when we dance then?'

B5k/5 said, 'Because you dance like an asshole'

202 Remember folks! Democrats care about marriage!

203

THAT IS ....I specifically said I was NOT advocating any silly shunning.

Late. Need to get to bed.

204 B5k/5 asked his was talking to his mom one day,..

Mom? can I ask you a question?

Mom:  Sure thing pumkin..

B5k/5:  why is it that  Stan has a dad, and Kyle has a dad.. and even though Kenny is poor, he has a dad.

Mom:  So what's your question, poopsycoo?

205 So we shouldn't celebrate the birth of this child because of the circumstances of his conception?

Don't forget to wear your special Sunday Go To Meeting Clothes when you stone the mother for her abhorrent behaviour.  We all know that young hormone crazy boys are in complete control at all times.

206 CJ,
Yes, go to bed and sleep the sleep of the self righteous. 

Here's a tip for the new year...lay off the Thunderbird, it makes you stupid. 

207

People! I specifically said I was advocating any silly shunning. All I freakin said was let's not celebrate a poorly planned birth. We need a way to encourage couples who do it the right way, and discourage irresponsibility.

...

Posted by: CJ at December 29, 2008 11:54 PM (JQtNT)

If that's the message you were truly trying to convey, I suggest you choose your words more wisely.

Dick.

208 Hey, Democrats!

You do realize the Republicans are now the party of the "little guy" right? Champions of the common man?

And speaking of hypocrisy: Hate much?

209

 

I like to poo poo pee pee

 

210

 

Lol!

Obama called his dead white grandmother 'TOOT'.

Toot toot! that aint a rock man! that a pebble bitch!

Obama dont want no pebble!

He Dr Rock! know what i'm sayin'?

 

211 What's a spurned teenaged crush to do..

after all,  Palins are hicks did everything right to win Bristol's heart..

kidnap the family pet and mail the heart to her,  write 'I love you, Bristol' with it's blood on the door of the house..  call and hang up because your love for her is suffocating and your vocal cords stop working..

and when she starts to date that good looking hockey player (Levi being everything that B5k/5 isn't) ..   what can you do but start trolling the nearest blog trying to bad mouth the girl you use to love..

212

Johnston, who dropped out of high school to take a job on the North Slope oil fields as an apprentice electrician,

So, Levi's not dropping out to travel to Europe and "discover" himself or to get onto welfare young, he's gone into a skilled-labour, apprencticeship program. Yeah, those are the exact same.

213 Remarkable!! Palin Derangement Syndrome is much worse than B.D.S.!!

214

Have any of these numbnut trolls considered the notion that Piper can set them on fire...with her fucking mind?

I would be treading real carefully in my public comments vis-a-vis all things Palin.

215 i know the math doesnt work, but that just means someone else is trigs mother.  piper, maybe?  did you see when she licked her palm and smoothed his hair down?  wasnt that disgusting?  only a mother would do that.

216 The only math I am interested in is fractions: The number of orifaces available, and the number of cocks that require servicing.

217

Valerie, call on me!

I will try to live from one credo from now on:  I will not be angered by ignorance, nor will I fear knowledge.

I am no troll.  I do think that the Democrats being in power is awful, but all that I can do now is try to reason with them.  This may seem to be a novelty to some of our audience here, but I insist on doing it anyway.

Let us be loveable losers whose thoughts are well grounded in tradition and in reason.  Someday, I hope to tell many tales to my children and they will know that preservation is my motive.

I have enough confidence in my ideas to remain calm and that their validity will be seen in the future.  I live for "the now" in many ways, but I know that there are other goals that will be appreciated by future generations.

Yes, I realize that I may sound like our "enemies", but I am trying to get laid.

218 Oh, it isn't "Valerie", but Veronica.

219 These kids had an awful situation.  It would have been SOOOOOO easy to abort this child, and this mother, Bristol, in particular, weathered a hell of a storm from every MSM outlet because she wanted to save her son's life.

So when we recognize that it's a shame that another unplanned pregnancy occurred, we should also recognize that Bristol is a tremendous hero to this child.

Caroline Kennedy, Chelsea, Obama's kids... they would have terminated this problem specifically to avoid the kind of criticisms Bristol has weathered.

220 CJ, you shouldn't feel obliged to temper your opinions just because it pisses some folks off.  You aren't doing anything wrong in noting the problem.  And of course not celebrating this birth to the same degree as another would have some kind of unfair effect that I would call tarnishing.

Life isn't fair though.  It was a good argument to be made, and the defenses also needed to be made.  There's no delicate way of saying "gee... births like this suck.. let's not give kid's the idea this is a great thing".  But it does need to be said... and the "gee... all babies are miracles and wonderful" also needs to be said.

You conceded the second point after noting the first.  I think that's fair enough, but a lot of people won't.  That's probably why it's so hard to convince kids that having kids is a shitty idea.  It's just hard to explain  that kids are burdensome without sounding like Obama talking about how he doesn't want to punish his kids.

221 RAWR! FAMILY PROBLEMS ARE ONLY APPLICABLE WHEN IT HAPPENS TO A REPUBLICAN.

Christ. If I have to hear another Leftard headline their diatribe with "These are Republican Family Values?" I'm going to fucking bash my brains out.

Hey douchenozzles. I'd rather have a VP whose only negative associations include a woman with a prescription drug problem and a teenage mother. As opposed to a Pres whose negative associations are defined with keywords like "bomb", "Chicago", and "GOD DAMN AMERIKKKA".

Christ. Welcome to this world little one!

222 Here is the letter to the editor link to Atlantic

think it would be a really, really good idea if y'all emailed the editor to explain how Bristol Palin was able to birth all these babies in this miraculous time frame as their famed blogger Andrew told you otherwise - like you thought Bristol birthed Trig cuz Andrew said so and so does Bristol have a miraculous uterus and placenta or something big smart Atlantic editors?

http://www.theatlantic.com/a/submissions.mhtml

223 Palin was a grandmother before today, the day her daughter gave birth. Otherwise abortion means nothing.

224 CJ--I get what you're saying.  When I get ridiculed for not having children I explain that it's because I've never been married, and everyone under 80 replies, "So what does that have to do with anything?"  It's insane. We live in a culture where planning ahead and self-discipline are for squares and losers--see also "mortgage crisis"--and child-bearing has been completely decoupled from marriage.  Or even long-term relationships.  

But Bristol Palin isn't "glamorizing" or "normalizing" out-of-wedlock babies--certainly not in the way that Hollywood, schools that revolve around students' babies, and 40 years of the welfare state do.  Sarah Palin's statement was (paraphrasing) "she told us we were going to be grandparents, so we're going to help her and the baby" to the celebrities and teenagers who get pregnant on purpose because all their friends/rivals are having babies. 

If Bristol sells Tripp's pictures to a teeny-bopper magazine, or has another baby next year with a different daddy, then we can all be concerned.

225 Shill, you're a lot more coherent and reasonable than I am (I think I left out a verb in my second paragraph).

Caroline Kennedy, Chelsea, Obama's kids... they would have terminated this problem specifically to avoid the kind of criticisms Bristol has weathered.

...when I imagine this happening to 17-year-old Chelsea or Sasha or Malia, I imagine their mothers marching them down to the clinic whether they want to go or not.

226

 

As Obama's Preacher for twenny odd years, all I can say is

Goddamn America!

 

 

227 I hope this little "punishment" has an awesome life and brings joy to all who have the pleasure to know him.

228 CJ, while being less of a prick than the vile trolls on this thread, is nonetheless a prick Puritan indeed. Go fuck yourself, you sanctimonious asshole.

229

"27 Good grief Charlie Brown, is Sarah Palin still scaring the liberals?"

Of course! They still cringe and twitch when they recall how she ran them over with a snowmachine! She scares the crap out of them because she's an authentic American, and they're just eurocommie fantasy clones.

230 Come on, CJ hasn't risen to the level of "go fuck yourself". 

231 teach abstinence to their hormone soaked teenage kids.

Many would prefer that than for society to teach obstinately selfish indifference which merges with cruelty under the ironic guise of self righteousness in this hormone soaked world.

Abstinence is one virtue. The downside of abstinence is virtue that self righteous morons would disrespect. Those with malice should deal privately with their own sour grapes. There are other preventive measures for those "ready" for the maturation process that accompanies sexual activity. But only abstinence prevents every hardship embedded in promiscuous multiple partnering. The emotional warp from perpetual celibacy, however, should not be summarily ignored or dismissed, either. It seems that judging others becomes the pastime of fools.

TEMJ is a sweet and innocent baby with loving and hard working young parents and grandparents. We wish them all well in their lives! Tripp gets to be the first wonderful grandchild in a family with a big heart. He is well loved by great-grandparents to bless him, too.

Happy New Year to the Palin Family!

232

Come on, CJ hasn't risen to the level of "go fuck yourself". 

No, but he has shown a fondness for calling on others to collectivize in their disdain of a young woman's pregnancy.

So, in keeping with the trend: "Come on, people! We shouldn't be praising CJ; we should be telling him to go fuck himself!"

233 9 + 9 = 17, right Andy!

234

re: sullivan...the root of it all is still vagina envy....cause if he could, he would but he can't so he'll continue on his shrillish vagina/utero investigations

btw--if sullivan does come to read this---it feels like a bowling ball coming out of your pee hole or a house coming out of your ass

235

Heh.  Somebody, Carol Burnett I think, said "try to imagine pulling a pot roast through your nostril".

 

236 a house coming out of your ass

into my ass, out of my ass, as long as it's huge and it's in my ass, I'm good.

237

I don't applaud it.

That's all you needed to say tinian, without the PC posturing.

238  pain could be sullivan's game and he has yet to experience the ultimate ....argh---the sweet agony of it all !!! and sullivan is to be denied it all

239

Yes, go to bed and sleep the sleep of the self righteous. 

Damn fishstick. I had a dream I came to AOS last night and it was infested with PC liberals who accused even the most gentle defense of family valuses as being "self righteous."

And you were there. And tinian was there and...well, it was weird.

240 i myself had a c-section so i don't know the pain either (really prefered not to know either) .....it's like a handjob to actual sex, the result is the same ----just no orfices involved in the former.... sullivan has really opened himself up to alot of crap to be shoved up his butt over this whole Palin Mystery Birth Tour.....#235---pot roast i assume is not cooked.

241

"Puritan" nikkolai? Really?

For suggesting that a high-profile outofwedlock birth is probably not the event "conservatives" should be applauding? Read up on Puritans and get back to me. Or go hang out at Huffington Post, where they love employing the same exact tactic.

Fuck people, not EVERYTHING that deviates from your Palin-worship is the word of Satan. We need to have consistent values, defended consistently. Or we just chant "GO TEAM" and hope for the best.

The culture is OURS. We encourage bad choices, or discourage them, but how we react to them. It's our responsibility.

242

CJ, dude (dudette, whatev), take a chill pill, and consider an alternative other than "Palin-worship" already.

Like people who value life, and respect a difficult choice in a bad situation, a couple of kids choosing to bring a child into the world rather than destroy it, despite youth and public criticism and an abrupt change of life plans, one that affects them for the rest of their lives.

It's an admirable choice.  Difficult, you know, the road less traveled and all?  Worthy of consideration.

Let it go already.

 

243 CJ,
Sorry you got called names & told to FO (not by me), but give it up, it has nothing to do with PC or turning lefty (as if).  Most on this thread just DON'T AGREE with you.  Get over it.

244

Shit, you going to give all this up over 40 cents?

Kemp

245

You conceded the second point after noting the first.  I think that's fair enough, but a lot of people won't.  That's probably why it's so hard to convince kids that having kids is a shitty idea.  It's just hard to explain  that kids are burdensome without sounding like Obama talking about how he doesn't want to punish his kids.

Shill,

Sure it's hard. I've argued this point on liberal sites. Talk about hard. The thing is, for conservatives/Republicans, it's absolutely critical. If we aren't going to actively discourage outofwedlock births, we need to support the liberal social programs created to deal with the fallout. Our whole philosophy is based on the concept that bad choices -- not capitalism, or racism, or sexism, or underfunded programs -- determine whether or not a family will be poor, do poorly in school, end up in prison, etc....

IF we really believe that, we have to:

1. Openly discourage bad choices, or
2. Say 'fuck'em' to kids born to a cycle of poverty and an encyclopedia of at-risk behavior, oppose liberal social programs and their costs, and watch from the sidelines as our country continues its slide.

I guess if you�re Libertarian, you oppose both speaking up and paying the taxes necessary to cover the cost of not speaking up. I�m not a Libertarian. I oppose government social programs, mainly, because there is a better alternative: responsibility. People will choose responsibility if they know it�s in their self-interest. They won�t know if everyone is afraid to tell them.

 

I don�t see how Republicans can keep their mouths shut, AND oppose liberal social programs. THE PEOPLE control the culture. We decide what�s right and wrong, good and bad. We can�t blame the politicians, which I guess is what we do best on political blogs. But this issue is ours to decide, and the GOP has a vested interest.

 

246

We need to have consistent values, defended consistently.

Fine we will consistently value life.  We will consistently be happy that a new child has been brought into the world.  We will have the consistent value of taking responsibility for ones action.  We will have the consistent value that even when young people make mistakes, we will be supportive of them when they choose the right path from that mistake and not the easy way out.

This isn't a situation where Bristol is going and getting knocked up every other year by a different guy and popping out another welfare baby.  This baby seems to have been born into a stable loving relationship, by parents that are looking to do the right thing. 

Get off your high horse CJ.

247

Perhaps I was a tad too harsh, CJ. I just don't think it is right to pile on these kids at this point. They've been through enough with the democrats' operatives and the MSM (but I repeat myself). Everyone makes mistakes--it's how we deal with these mistakes that seperates the winners from the losers. I'm guessing they'll turn out to be winners.

 

Some of us have made the same mistake these kids did. Compassion does not mean condoning the behavior.

248

CJ--I get what you're saying.  When I get ridiculed for not having children I explain that it's because I've never been married, and everyone under 80 replies, "So what does that have to do with anything?"  It's insane. We live in a culture where planning ahead and self-discipline are for squares and losers--see also "mortgage crisis"--and child-bearing has been completely decoupled from marriage.  Or even long-term relationships.  

 

Heather,

 

That�s pretty incredible that you can retain that attitude. You�re strong, and frankly the country would probably benefit if you had kids under any circumstance. We had good friend who delayed having a child with her husband because she knew the marriage was on the rocks and it would seem selfish. Eventually, she went ahead and go pregnant. And they divorced, like she feared. But she tried to do the right thing and she�s a great mom.

But Bristol Palin isn't "glamorizing" or "normalizing" out-of-wedlock babies�

 

No no no�I said from the start this wasn�t about what the family is doing. It�s about us. There needs to be some kind of distinction between our reaction to parents who do it the right way, and those who do not. Not sure what the distinction would be, but something.

 

I appreciate your insight.

249

Come on, CJ hasn't risen to the level of "go fuck yourself". 

"No, but he has shown a fondness for calling on others to collectivize in their disdain of a young woman's pregnancy."

"Disdain"? Bullshit railwriter. Take your PC preening and go f....file it somewhere.

250

nikkolai,

See post #245 for why I think this is important for conservatives. (If anyone still cares. I haven't checked for new pron posts.)

251

Dave in Texas at December 30, 2008 10:34 AM (VEBC3)

Post #245 explains why this is a bigger issue than people here are considering. Beyond that, I'll let it go.

252 CONGRADULATIONS PASS OUT THE GIGARS AND SCREW THE HEART AND LUNG ASSOCIATION and CANCER SOCIETY and fave a good time

253 We can go back and forth about a young woman still in high school getting pregnant and having a baby, what it means to society and how it's not upholding conservative values, but I am one person who is ecstatic that this didn't end up being an aborted pregnancy.

Whether we like it or not, whether we want it to or not, this happens.  It's been happening ever since the first boy looked at the first girl and said "woweee!"  (or vice-versa). 

It's not like one can have it on DVR, rewind life until you get to the part before the boy and girl have sex and she gets pregnant, turn it off and it's fixed! 

I wish all three of them the best, and congratulate Grandma Sarah and Grandpa Todd on their first grandchild. 

254

If actively discouraging out of wedlock births means public disdain for making a "bad choice" and requires us to ignore the good and decent choices made following a "bad choice", you can count this conservative out.

I'm not a fan of impugning motives CJ, but I am baffled at your position on this.  They got knocked up.  They made the right choice afterwards.  A good choice.  A difficult one.  I have no problem praising them for it and wish them the best.  To interpret that as "encouraging our of wedlock births" is just damned silly.

It's unloving and counterproductive.  To the "bigger issue" as well. 

255 agree with #254...life and good conservatism (to me) is about how to deal with life's sour pusses and loopy liberal policies and that is to make good ol' apples sauce out of all of them...cook um down and waste none....life will always have shitholes like sullivan to taint the pot, but we can point them out and shame them into all fours, shave them down and  and stuff a gag ball in his mouth.....as far as bristol and loverboy----oh...I would love to be a grandmother.....but my son is only 4....but if he were to knock up a girl at 17, I will be there for them, it is not about celebrating their "accident" but about  dealing with what life throws at you.....you cannot control people, but we can try to control our selves not to make it worse......................except when it comes to sullivan, now where's that horsewhip!

256

If actively discouraging out of wedlock births means public disdain for making a "bad choice" and requires us to ignore the good and decent choices made following a "bad choice", you can count this conservative out.

Show me how �let�s not celebrate� equates to �public disdain.� And tell me WHAT discouraging out of wedlock births means, if not tempering the celebration. What would it look like?

I'm not a fan of impugning motives CJ, but I am baffled at your position on this.  They got knocked up.  They made the right choice afterwards.  A good choice.  A difficult one.  I have no problem praising them for it and wish them the best.  To interpret that as "encouraging our of wedlock births" is just damned silly.

 

I can�t make my motives anymore clear than in post #245. I guess I disagree that �praise� is due. They made a mistake. Then, they did the right thing. Our job as responsible members of society is to try to prevent the mistake. With laws? Admonition? Shame? No. Just a tempered response. That�s all. If conservatives can�t even do it, no one will. Keep in mind, other young couples are watching. If the ones who do it properly are treated the same as those who didn't, well, it matters.

 

It's unloving and counterproductive.  To the "bigger issue" as well. 

 

�Unloving�? I would never say a damn negative word to the Palin family. And �unloving� is standing by silently as our country produces more and more at-risk children. And to then take conservative stances restricting the funding of government assistance programs to help the same kids? Seems almost cruel.

That conflict is also extremely counterproductive in promoting conservative governing.

 

257

I can�t make my motives anymore clear than in post #245

...but you're not about to let us think you won't try to!

 

258 And to then take conservative stances restricting the funding of government assistance programs to help the same kids? Seems almost cruel.

That conflict is also extremely counterproductive in promoting conservative governing.

 

That sounds like the claim that because conservative are opposed to nationalized healthcare we must also be opposed to private healthcare.  You are advocating that because we are opposed to the overfunding of encouraging people to have children out of wedlock, we must be opposed fully to those that do but don't seek government assistance.  You are connecting two things that while they follow a similar line are not neccessarily directly linked together permanently.

259 Aww isn't that cute. Another republican bastard. So much for the party of family values.

260

Oh, it isn't "Valerie", but Veronica.

Posted by: blackrockmarauder at December 30, 2008 01:15 AM (GvgvT)

Uh, "Veronica" also posts as another leftist troll, "Bill". So you might want to amend your plans to try to do Lucy instead. She's the real deal. (Although I'd wear a condom, or two, if I were you. No telling what you might catch if not.)

261 So much for the party of family values. - Lucy

Must be so easy to be this big of a piece of crap when you come from a party that holds no values greater than their own personal self-gratification.

Considering Tripp's start, all he needs to do now is kill someone, become a drug-addict alcoholic, pay for a few abortions, and take some bribes and he'd be qualified to be a high-ranking Democrat.

Maybe someday, even, dare I say it, President?

262 I thought it had been collectively agreed on Meth as being the baby's name. Meth Pipe(in honor of Piper)Palin.

263

If conservatives can�t even do it, no one will.

Sorry, I leave that to parents.  Some succeed, some fail.  Doesn't fall on the "conservatives" to do list in my world.  Life is full of people making bad choices and amends.  I am happy to praise amends because with it comes humanity, forgiveness and restoration.  Otherwise, well, however tempered, it's just shitting on them for one moment in an entire lifetime of moments.  I choose not to, and make no apology for it.

We just strongly disagree.  I can leave it at that.

264 The Palin family sure gives out weird names to their kids.

265 The whole thing reminds me of that movie Idiocracy. Welcome to America's future. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/ I have a vagina! HEY DIDDLE DIDDLE THE KITTY'S IN THE MIDDLE BOOGEDY BOOGEDY BOO

266 The Palin family sure gives out weird names to their kids.

It could have been worse:  Tripp Hussein Mitchell Johnston

267

You are advocating that because we are opposed to the overfunding of encouraging people to have children out of wedlock, we must be opposed fully to those that do but don't seek government assistance.  You are connecting two things that while they follow a similar line are not neccessarily directly linked together permanently.

No. No one is �opposed� to the Palin family. Certainly not me. I don�t think the two scenarios are linked. What I think is linked (thinkislinked thinkislinked) is our response to out of wedlock births, and our response to programs to alleviate the problems caused by out of wedlock births.

I don�t see how conservatives can be silent on the trend toward births outside of marriage, yet quiet vocal about the money we have to spend to deal with them. Unless we just don�t care about at-risk kids. And I don�t think that�s the case.

And on a purely tactical basis, it�s worth noting that the left is fully engaged in these things. They weren�t shy about promoting �nontraditional� families, nor the government programs needed to prop them up. It�s bad strategy to leave that field open to liberals, uncontested.

 

 

268 BTW, whoever is doing the progressive lucy parody, I say bravo.

269 259 Aww isn't that cute. Another republican bastard. So much for the party of family values.

Posted by: Lucy at December 30, 2008 12:01 PM (XQ5v0)

Kind of like the cokehead bastard we just elected president, huh? At least the Palin kid hasn't been abandoned (at least not yet) or passed off to a commie pedophile to be "mentored"/ molested like Bitch-Tits.

270

Language studies with primates first occurred with chimpanzees in the 1960s. One of the most publicized of the test subjects was a female chimpanzee named Lucy. Famous primatologist Jane Goodall wrote in her book Through a Window that "Lucy, having grown up a human child, was like a changeling, her essential chimpanzeeness overlaid by various human behaviors she had acquired over the years. No longer purely chimp yet eons away from humanity, she was man-made, some other kind of being."

I'm glad that the typing has worked out for you too, Lucy, even if higher human behaviors haven't.

271 264 The Palin family sure gives out weird names to their kids.

Posted by: Scipio at December 30, 2008 12:20 PM (JZz6U)

No denying that.

272

That's fine Dave. I wish you would have addressed how conservatives can take a hands-off approach to the problem, while also opposing programs created to deal with the problem. I don't see how we can defend that.

 

 

273 265 The whole thing reminds me of that movie Idiocracy. Welcome to America's future. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/

Posted by: Lucy at December 30, 2008 12:21 PM (XQ5v0)

I totally agree. President Mountain Dew takes off next month.

274

Re. the names, Alaska does pride itself on its nonconformity. But, funny, I thought leftists, especially of the 1960's ilk, prized nonconformity above all else. I guess that changed when they began taking over positions in the Establishment.

275

I don�t see how conservatives can be silent on the trend toward births outside of marriage, yet quiet vocal about the money we have to spend to deal with them. Unless we just don�t care about at-risk kids. And I don�t think that�s the case.

Who's advocating silence?  Out of wedlock births are wrong for the most part and should not be encouraged.  We should also limit spending money on the things that incentivize it, and cause it to being perpetuated, for one because that shouldn't be the government's job.  That being said if it does occur, we are within our right to say "you shouldn't have done that."  But at the same time when the parent's "man-up" and take responsibility for their actions and aren't seeking government help or seeking to "solve the problem" we should praise them for that fact, and congratulate them on the birth of a healthy child.  Your pissing and moaning should have happened a few months ago.

Like I said, you seem to be advocating a stance that because conservatives are opposed to government run healthcare, we should be required to be opposed to individual obtaining healthcare on there own.  One is being reliant on the government, the other is being a responsible individuals.  Individual responsibility should be applauded and praised as a good thing, even when it has come about from a poor choice.  Especially when it is taken on after a poor choice.

276

And re. there being nothing in the linked story that sounded offensive, that's because there were two rewrites.

277

especially of the 1960's ilk, prized nonconformity above all else. I guess that changed when they began taking over positions in the Establishment.

But andy you must conform to their view of noncoformity otherwise you must be shunned.  Remember these are the same people tolerant of all others views and ideas, unless you disagree with theirs.

278

I understand, buzzion. Four legs, good; two legs, bad. Four legs, good; two legs, bad.

279 259 Aww isn't that cute. Another republican bastard. So much for the party of family values.


opposed to that democratic bastard who will be running the country next year..

bastardbastardbastardbastard.

280 somebody already touched on that point..  at 279 

heh..

281

Like I said, you seem to be advocating a stance that because conservatives are opposed to government run healthcare, we should be required to be opposed to individual obtaining healthcare on there own.  One is being reliant on the government, the other is being a responsible individuals.  Individual responsibility should be applauded and praised as a good thing, even when it has come about from a poor choice.  Especially when it is taken on after a poor choice.

 

I get what you�re saying. But it misses the mark. We�re opposed to government-run health care and for private health care because we believe that, if you make the right choices, you will be in a position to afford it on your own. If the governor�s daughter wasn�t�the governor�s daughter, she might very likely need government subsidized health care, if only for the child. I am sure they would qualify in most states.

 

The big picture: if the U.S. continues to shift toward unmarried parenthood and single parent homes, there will be no conservative debate over the role and size of government. Citizens will need a host of liberal programs to survive. End of debate. End of conservatism.

 

And if we really have the stones to prevent that, we won�t dismiss even the most gentle of protests as �pissing and moaning.�

 

282 "The great thing about being a moderate liberal is we don't have to come from
perfect families because unlike hypocritical Republicans, we don't profess to be the moral majority. We live in reality."

That would be the..."Trig is Bristol's baby and she had another one just 8 months later" reality, right?

There are plenty of hypocrites on both sides of the aisle, pal, but the difference between right and left is that the right KNOWS we're all sinners, and the left only thinks sinners come from the right.

283 Why are liberals so hypocritical about out of wedlock births?  They love them, except when they happen in GOP families.  Then they're the first to want to sew red A's on the women.  Hypocrites.

284

The big picture: if the U.S. continues to shift toward unmarried parenthood and single parent homes

But this is not the case here.  This is not an unmarried parenthood.  This is an out of wedlock birth.  These two are still together, the father is seeking a job to support this family.  The intend to marry, hell he went and got her name tattooed on his ring finger because he lost the engagement ring hunting.  This is not the poster you want to use for the basis of your argument.  This is the poster of "when the wrong thing happens this is the right course of action."  See what you are doing is what I've said you are doing.  I'll throw in one more part.  You are attempting to equate the person with private healthcare with someone who could afford private healthcare but instead doesn't get it and always goes to the emergency room for everything.  One of those should be frowned upon, the other is a proper course of action.

If the governor�s daughter wasn�t�the governor�s daughter, she might very likely need government subsidized health care, if only for the child. I am sure they would qualify in most states.

Well then, I'll just go tell my sister and brother-in-law, that because they had their first daughter before getting married, and niether of our parents are governor that they should have gone on government assistance.  Or maybe I'll go tell my other sister and her future husband that they should be on the government dole for their son because of the same fact.  Or I could tell them how much I disprove of what they did in life, yeah, that would work and be productive to their current situations.

285 [Comment deleted]

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287 Bristol is a cutie, too bad she couldn't keep her legs closed until she was married but I'm probably considered old fashioned, stupid, and out of touch for saying that.

Oh, and Lucy: that was the president's name in the movie Idiocracy. You'd fit in well in that society.

288 Duh duh derr duh duh!

289 #273 Its good to see that as long as America has a republican party racists will have somewhere to call home.

290

Well then, I'll just go tell my sister and brother-in-law, that because they had their first daughter before getting married

 

I�d love to base social policy on my own family�s experience too. Or the Palin family. But I don�t think it would be quite accurate. You�re still not getting where I am coming from, or why it matters to the survival of conservatism. The odds of a marriage lasting, overall, are about 50 percent. The odds of marrying at this age, under this circumstance, are much worse. Conservatives should acknowledge that, in some way.

 

When it comes to the developmental health of the child, there is a difference between this scenario, and more responsible ones. Yet, I�ve seen absolutely no difference in the response to this birth announcement, and one in which the parents did it the right way. None. And that is a problem. Period. That�s all I�m saying.  

291 Duh duh derr duh duh!  Derrrrr!

292

Its good to see that as long as America has a republican party racists will have somewhere to call home.

What about US??

293 The ID hash always gets 'em. Of course usually they are smarter than posting exactly the same idiot comment again.

294

I�d love to base social policy on my own family�s experience too. Or the Palin family. But I don�t think it would be quite accurate.

If this isn't the family to base social policy on then perhaps it also is not the situation to bring up your issues with said social policies.

Yet, I�ve seen absolutely no difference in the response to this birth announcement, and one in which the parents did it the right way. None. And that is a problem. Period. That�s all I�m saying.  

Because you are wrong.  Because there is no difference in either birth.  Just as there is really no difference in the response when comparing a planned pregnancy to an unplanned one in the marriage, when the decision is made to keep love and support the baby.  The issue came before the pregnancy on the poor decision to engage in unprotected premarital sex.  As I said before though: Individual responsibility should be applauded and praised as a good thing, even when it has come about from a poor choice.  Especially when it is taken on after a poor choice.  If you cannot be supportive in this case and treat it closer to how you treat things done the "right way" then where really is the incentive in trying to make things work.  Might as well get an abortion or go on government assistance so you're already going to be treated as such.

295 289 #273 Its good to see that as long as America has a republican party racists will have somewhere to call home.

Posted by: Wendy at December 30, 2008 02:31 PM (RtnF0)

You're the one who brought up Idiocracy you fucking putz.

296 Because there is no difference in either birth.

It saddens me deeply to see people unable to comprehend the difference between a baby born due to a marriage and one due to lust, haste, and bad judgment.

297

If this isn't the family to base social policy on then perhaps it also is not the situation to bring up your issues with said social policies.

 

But my issue isn�t with THEM. It�s with you folks.

 

Because there is no difference in either birth.  Just as there is really no difference in the response when comparing a planned pregnancy to an unplanned one in the marriage

 

But the whole point was that it was NOT within a marriage. You say there is no difference between within and outside of marriage. I say we have a library of stats and a half-century of experience to prove otherwise. You can make that distinction in how you celebrate the occasion, while still acknowledging that they did the right thing after messing up. If conservatives can�t draw distinctions between the right way to start a family and the wrong way, we have no reason to exist politically. Our whole opposition to liberal social programs is that they aren�t needed if people do things the right way. If you argue there IS no wrong way, we�re done.

298 The first thing the kid saw when he opened his eyes was Russia. Y'see, Alaska and Russia are separated only by a narrow vaginal border and there's a fistula between them, called the bering straight.

299

It saddens me deeply to see people unable to comprehend the difference between a baby born due to a marriage and one due to lust, haste, and bad judgment. 

CT,

It absolutely KILLS me that conservatives don�t get it. I�ve had this debate with liberals over and over. But my fellow conservatives?

 

I really think we need to talk about this more, openly. The entire conservative approach to limited government is based on the belief that people, if they make the right choices, can take care of themselves. If we now argue that there are no right or wrong choices�.what�s the point?

 

I don�t judge anyone�s choices for the sake of judging. I judge because if they can�t raise their kid, I and the other taxpayers will have to.

 

300 It saddens me deeply to see people unable to comprehend the difference between a baby born due to a marriage and one due to lust, haste, and bad judgment.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 30, 2008 04:50 PM (PQY7w)

There's a difference in the babies? Really? Are you insane or is your comment just poorly worded?

People can make an argument about the parents choices but a baby is precious and wonderful being regardless of the choices its parents made, their material situation at the time of conception or birth or any other factor beyond its control (namely all factors...it's a baby).

Please don't tell me there's a difference between babies. You can't possibly think one child is better or worse than  another because of the circumstances of it's birth, can you? Should little Tripp here have a B for bastard tattooed on his forehead so we can tell he was born "due to lust, haste, and bad judgment" as opposed to some superior baby born of "marriage"? And if not, how the hell are we supposed to tell the difference?

Again Christopher, please tell me you didn't mean to say there's actually a difference between babies.

301

Again Christopher, please tell me you didn't mean to say there's actually a difference between babies.

He was responding to the statement that there was no difference in the BIRTH (inside v. outside marriage). The original word was birth, not �baby.�

 

302 Posted by: CJ at December 30, 2008 05:15 PM (9KqcB)

Ah, thanks. I know there's a danger to jumping in very late and that's why I wanted to allow for the possibility of a poor word choice.

I don't agree with that position but it's far more arguable point than there being some intrinsic differences in babies themselves based on parental marital status.

303

And there is no difference in the birth of the baby.  There is a difference in how the babies were conceived.

It saddens me deeply to see people unable to comprehend the difference between a baby born due to a marriage and one due to lust, haste, and bad judgment.

That's a baby conceived due to a marriage vs one due to lust haste and bad judgement.

But my issue isn�t with THEM. It�s with you folks.

 

And your issue is coming from our response to them.  You're having your big old conservative purity hissy fit in the case of how we are responding to them.  And they are not the typical case.

 

 Our whole opposition to liberal social programs is that they aren�t needed if people do things the right way. If you argue there IS no wrong way, we�re done.

 

Well then, isn't it awfully good that they are doing the right thing NOW.  Hence my statements about taking responsibility after a poor choice.  They did wrong.  Happy? Its been acknowledged you fucking jackass.  Now why don't you move on from that point of non-contention.  Accept that they are doing right now.  Accept that we can happy for that fact that out of lemons they are making lemonade.  There is a wrong way.  They started down it, they changed their path to a better one.  That is what is being supported.  That after making a mistake they are doing their best to do right by it.  Get that through your thick fucking prudish skull.

He was responding to the statement that there was no difference in the BIRTH (inside v. outside marriage). The original word was birth, not �baby.�

Would you have been happier had the birth gone poorly with complications?  No?  Then as I said, no difference in the births.

304

Its been acknowledged you fucking jackass.  Now why don't you move on from that point of non-contention.  Accept that they are doing right now.  Accept that we can happy for that fact that out of lemons they are making lemonade.  There is a wrong way.  They started down it, they changed their path to a better one.  That is what is being supported.  That after making a mistake they are doing their best to do right by it.  Get that through your thick fucking prudish skull.

 

Damn. I hate when a poster cracks.

 

Listen up, Mr. Can�t We Just Chill It�s All Groovy Dude, they made a mistake. I�m not nailing them to a damn cross. I�m just saying stop treating it exactly the same way you would a couple who did it properly. Come up with a different way. Unless you don�t give a shit. Which I suspect is the case, based on your liberal use of liberal �prudish/purity� slogan.

 

Learn a few stats and put away the party balloons.

 

305

Come up with a different way.

Why don't you?  I'm perfectly fine with saying "You shouldn't have done that but I'm happy the baby is born healthy and you are staying together and plan to raise it in a loving family."  You're the one having a cow with people doing that.  God I'm gonna feel sorry for your kids if they ever make a mistake.

Now's the part where you get all huffy for bringing in your precious little children who are perfect angels and will never do any wrong because you've raised them right.  You know just like so many other people who think they have raised their kids right who have a daughter at 18 with 6 month old kid.  And you'll claim you won't treat your children poorly if they do make a mistake similar to this.  You know essentially taking your polar opposite of a view now, because gosh darnit if we're not throwing in enough condemnation for them not wearing a raincoat, we must be treating it 100% the same as people  who are married first.

Again, this isn't a case of a mother popping out a kid by a different guy every other year.  Bristol and her Fiance' should be treated a lot closer to married couple that did it the right way than the opposite end of the spectrum.  But hey, let's go ahead and shun people who make mistakes, and try to correct them.  I'm sure that will have a positive effect overall.

306

I came late to this bashing, but as the grandmother of two whose teenage daughter got pregnant at 17, I looovvve how judgemental some of ya'll folks are. Was I happy that my college bound, genius IQ daughter got preggers on purpose? No, but she and her boyfriend were in "love," and even though they had full access to BC, they decided to get pg, and get married. The kids are beautiful, my daughter and s-i-l are great parents, and are raising their kids by themselves and w/o any support, so some of you folks, can go fuck yourself. Of course we taught her not to do this, but how many of you thought about what your parents wanted when you were making out in the back seat of a car?? As for the Palin kid's names, they do seem weird. I mean why not Apple? Moon-Unitt? Dweezil? Kal-El? Inspektor Pilot? Those are really cool names, not like those trailer trash Palin names.

307

You're the one having a cow with people doing that.  God I'm gonna feel sorry for your kids if they ever make a mistake. Now's the part where you get all huffy for bringing in your precious little children who are perfect angels and will never do any wrong because you've raised them right.

No I won't get huffy. Just sorry you had to resort to that, and sorry you're so far off target regarding my attitude toward parenting. I didn't do a good enough job explaining my view.

308

The kids are beautiful, my daughter and s-i-l are great parents, and are raising their kids by themselves and w/o any support, so some of you folks, can go fuck yourself.

Thanks for the thoughtful contribution grandma. Very persuasive.

309

Brian, after reviewing your comments, I have come to the conclusion that reality is not something that you deal with very often.  The idea that parents should be married has been confirmed by a number of studies, mostly liberals trying to prove the opposite. You on the other hand prove that even in marriage fathers and daughters should not bere children, and name them Brian.

310

I didn't do a good enough job explaining my view.

No you did a fine enough job explaining it.  Its just your so stubborn in your view you can't see what I and others have said, so I just went and did the exact same thing to your view that you did with others.  Because we are happy the baby was born and wishing the family well you somehow have gotten it into your thick skull that we approve of how the baby was conceived in the same way a baby conceived in a marriage is.  You think that we view there being no wrong when that is not the case.   We view that taking a condemnation of the wrong in this case as much much lower of supporting the positives of the case.

311

No you did a fine enough job explaining it.  Its just your so stubborn in your view you can't see what I and others have said, so I just went and did the exact same thing to your view that you did with others. 

Copout. I did no such thing. You did what every liberal does when I debate them over the topic, you make it personal. You're oblivious to the greater societal importance.

When pressed, you say you don't approve of how the baby was conceived. You just don't want to express it in a way that any future mom and dad might actually hear it. I appreciate your frustration with my stance, but yours is the limp-wristed approach that got us into this mess. I have no patience for it anymore.

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