Leftist: "There is Nothing Proportionate in this Response"

Ezra Klein provides a timely reminder why the Left gets no respect when it comes to national security or foreign policy. Big surprise, of course, he condemns Israel:

This is the paragraph that I can't get out of my head:

Hamas had in recent weeks let it be known that it doubted Israel would engage in a major military undertaking because of its coming elections. But in some ways the elections have made it impossible for officials like Mr. Barak not to react, because the public has grown anxious and angry over the rocket fire, which while causing no recent deaths and few injuries is deeply disturbing for those living near Gaza.
No deaths and few injuries. "Deeply disturbing." Hamas lacks the technology to aim its rockets. They're taking potshots. In response, the Israeli government launched air strikes that have now killed more than 280 Palestinians, injured hundreds beyond that, and further radicalized thousands in the Occupied Territories and millions in the region. The response will not come today, of course. It will come in months, or even in years, when an angry orphan detonates a belt filled with shrapnel, killing himself and 25 Israelis. At which point the Israelis will launch air strikes killing another 70 Palestinians, radicalizing thousands more, leading to more bombings, and so the cycle continues.

He goes on to note that the Israeli counterattack lacks proportionality. Now, Klein can't possibly mean that the Israelis should simply respond by indiscriminately rocketing Gaza with a like number of attacks. Such an act, without troubling to even aim at military targets, would be universally condemned (and rightfully so). So what does he mean by proportional? I think what he'd really like to see is Israel limited to attacks which cause "no deaths and few injuries." In other words, he'd like Israel to do nothing while terrorists get to try over and over to shower violence on innocents.

It is worth noting that Klein's post is internally inconsistent since he writes that the Hamas attacks have resulted in "no deaths and few injuries" but that the Israeli attacks are "simple vengeance." Vengeance for what, Ezra?

Nowhere in Klein's post does he mention that the Israeli attacks have been against military targets. And he may not even be aware that Israel sent thousands of cell-phone messages to Gazans telling them to stay away from weapons caches.

Klein excuses the Hamas rocket attacks because of "the checkpoints, the road closures, the restricted movement, the terrible joblessness, the unflinching oppression, the daily humiliations, the illegal settlement" without recognizing that much of the so-called oppression is a response to suicide bombers striking civilian targets including buses, restaurants, hotels, and markets.

It's been said before but it is worth repeating a thousand times: if Hamas, Hezbollah, and most of the Arab states (and Iran) laid down their weapons tomorrow and forgot about their plans to dissolve Israel, there would be peace in the Middle East. The Israelis could forget about the fences and the Palestinians might one day have something approximating a Western standard of living. On the other hand, if Israel laid down its weapons tomorrow, the country would be utterly annihilated, the Israelis killed to the last man, woman, and child.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at 02:46 AM

Comments

1 Oh..One Israeli killed by a rocket. That's enough for me.
Arabs respect force. Take Iran while your at it!
Egypt should be condemned for the lock-down. Egypt is scared shit-less.
Is Barak still in Hawaii? Thought so.With no clothes. Heh.

Posted by: sickinmass at December 29, 2008 03:09 AM (/i4dU)

2 Gabe, it's like trying to teach a dog (Klein) how to read.

Your technique is not the problem.

Posted by: eman at December 29, 2008 03:16 AM (D6ZSd)

3 Oh, I'm going to have to start using that one eman. I like that a lot.

Yeah, I will say though I've never personally met anyone who doesn't back Israel. I mean, I know they're out there intellectually, and certainly I see plenty of examples at LGF or DhimmiWatch type websites, but even the lefties I've run across (and I'm young, so they're thick on the ground) are with the Israelis. Which is a victory of sorts I guess.

Posted by: Britt at December 29, 2008 03:20 AM (ggOIi)

4 The comments at the source don't fall in line with Ezra too well.

There are a few microbrains, but many take him to task for his bias and illogic.

Good for them.

Posted by: eman at December 29, 2008 03:25 AM (D6ZSd)

"Israel sent thousands of cell-phone messages to Gazans"

Wow, that sheds new light on the Holocaust. I didn't know the Jews had cell phones at Auschwitz.

Posted by: Gary Rosen at December 29, 2008 03:25 AM (mB/JC)

6 Huh?

Posted by: eman at December 29, 2008 03:27 AM (D6ZSd)

7 Israel has had over 5000 rockets fall on it this year...

I would say that so far Israel is being highly restrained.

I will suspect that they might be going overboard once the Israeli flags are flying over Mecca... Short of that, they are still playing nice... If they actually pull that off, I'll throw a party...

Posted by: chris at December 29, 2008 03:33 AM (A+Pqo)

8 Not sure what the hell Gary was talking about there...

The funny thing is, some of the most anti-Semitic and anti-Israel folks I know are Jewish or claim Jewish roots. This boggles my mind.

The remainder are largely European immigrants. A few generations removed from World War II, and this is the result.

Anyway, I continue to ask, and get no response from, lefties for their solution to this problem. There's usually some mumbling about talking. When presented with the attempts by every president since Carter to broker a peace agreement, with the Palis and the Israelis face to face, the subject abruptly changes.

tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at December 29, 2008 03:44 AM (nHN8Z)

9 I took Gary to mean - I hope - that, ah, fuck it, nevermind, I confused myself...

Posted by: Vercingetorix at December 29, 2008 03:48 AM (mvJfd)

10 The libs should design an unguided rocket system to give to the Israelis so they can respond in kind.

Or make it a guided system that gets random GPS coordinates for Gaza as needed. Ezra can press the button and when it kills a kid, he can be thankful its was proportionate.

Posted by: Harun at December 29, 2008 03:52 AM (Y4uaz)

11
tmi3rd beat me to it. Some of the worst anti-Semite's are Jews.

Or rather, supposed Jews.

Posted by: thebronze at December 29, 2008 03:58 AM (cwNXc)

For the Left, Natinal Security is bending over and taking it up the @ss.

Oh, and Gabriel, Klein stated the rocket attacks caused no "recent" deaths, which is just another copout. To these types, Israel can do no right, even building a fence just to prevent suicide attacks which then ends up causing "disruption" to Palestinean daily life. For the multi-culti Left, all cultures are equal, even suicide bombing cultures. Who are we to judge?

"On the other hand, if Israel laid down its weapons tomorrow, the country would be utterly annihilated, the Israelis killed to the last man, woman, and child."

With the Left cheering wildly in support. Maybe even creating a new National holiday, but probably a UN special month celebrating the event.

Posted by: RickZ at December 29, 2008 04:03 AM (Cj7uc)

13 I don't even know why we bother to even comment on the condemnation of Israel by the lefties. It's always the same MO. Israel savage, bestial. Palestinians (or any other terrorist peoples) misunderstood, cornered, no hope. Spielberg's Munich is a perfect example of this. Sure, the Mossad boys were all conflicted about the mission after a while, but Spielberg had the Palestinian terrorists practically in tears as they were "forced" to machine gun and blow up the remaining Israeli hostages in the helicopters at the end, when they were cornered by the Germans at the arifield. One shot had the terrorist practically sobbing as he looked over the helpless hostages seconds before riddling them with bullets. See, the terrorist FELT bad about what he did. He just didn't have any choice left and had to shoot them. This is the very essence of the way leftists see the problem. The terrorists feel just as bad about killing Jews as Jews feel about killing terrorists. This is of course utter bullshit. Terrorists feel zero for Jews and the terrorists at Munich couldn't wait to waste all of the hostages. Jews are lower than dogs to them. But the left just do not get this. To the left, everyone is open to change, they just need the opportunity to. The concept of absolute evil is alien to them.

Posted by: the new guy at December 29, 2008 04:06 AM (XhdBU)

14 Sometimes I think Leftists like Klein would like to see the entire world destroyed in one giant spasm of "justice".

Then, at last, we can all live in Peace.

Except for Rethuglicans.

Posted by: eman at December 29, 2008 04:11 AM (D6ZSd)

Well, I for one would like to see an Israeli surge into Gaza. Enough with the pop up, hit some target, leave and let it fall back into chaos. Maybe they could take a play from our playbook and go in, set up shop, and help those Palis who aren't douchebags pull themselves up.

Just sayin', we've done a pretty bang up job of it so far, and while it's easy to point the finger at the guy running air ops, it's a lot harder to point the finger at the guy handing out school supplies. Not that it doesn't happens but it take a quill out of the cap of the fucked up tangos.

Posted by: flashoverride at December 29, 2008 04:44 AM (E/X9t)

16 I think the problem is clearly Israel's, in that they desire peace but lack the will to pay the cost of it. Which is a lot of dead Israelis, proportionally and even more dead Palestinians.

The Palestinian people want war, because it has no real cost to them. Even what Israel is doing now has no real cost. Not many are dead, considering, the death tolls from inter-Palestinian struggles for power. Hamas killed about 15,000 Fatah men in the Gaza Strip after taking power, by best estimates. That's for purposes of comparison.

Israel COULD have peace, if they killed about 60% of military age men (14-45) and about 40% of the rest of the population, while imposing huge costs on the rest, making them starving and their dwellings and everything else in ruins. This was the means to cure the appetite for War by the Japanese and German peoples. It is what Grant (the meat grinder) and Sherman (the impoverisher, he killed few but destroyed much) did to the South. The South stopped fighting when 40% of the men 14-40 were killed, and the economic heart was burnt or looted out, and the railroads destroyed.

This is the only PROVEN way to get peace when one side desires war and the other does not. Make War and the idea of War so repugnant that the people demand Peace.

War, real war, is a bitter, terrible thing. Men return having units, often formed from neighborhoods, decimated with only 4 in ten sometimes surviving. To cities and towns in ruins, where starving women offer themselves for piece of bread.

Wonder why Germans and Japanese are not marching up down, thinking of Poland and Korea? It's not out of peace and love, it's out of the visible scars and the legacy of all those men killed (pulling the societies very female).

Israel could have this, and real peace with the Palestinians, but the nation is so tiny that the cost in casualties to achieve it is politically impossible. I understand this and sympathize. But reality is what it is.

Sorry to be blunt, but real Peace requires giving those who want War a real taste of it, in it's full bitterness.

And this is not it.

Posted by: whiskey at December 29, 2008 04:59 AM (4878o)

Sig Heil there, whiskey!

40% of the military age males in the South were killed? What part of your anatomy did you pull that out of? Fucking nonsense. Yeah, Sherman burned a swath through Georgia, but there was a lot more land to cover in the Confederacy than a single state.

As the Surge proved, there are better ways of prosecuting counterinsurgencies than outright annihilation.

Posted by: flashoverride at December 29, 2008 05:04 AM (E/X9t)

18 on the money Gabriel...

Posted by: Kaptain Amerika at December 29, 2008 05:14 AM (5zHRC)

19 Ezra Klein is a complete and utter douchebag. I first heard of this guy back in January after Obama won Iowa. What a wanker.

Posted by: Eric at December 29, 2008 06:16 AM (quZLX)

20 Regarding your last paragraph, Gabriel: there's an easier way to say it:

If the Palestinians lay down their weapons first, they'll get their state.

If the Israelis lay down their weapons first, they'll get annihilated.

Most of the rest of the world would be equally satisfied by either outcome.

Posted by: wolfwalker at December 29, 2008 06:22 AM (W4RWM)

21 I wonder what these tards would do in the Wild West?

Ezra: Please Wyatt Earp, stop killing gunfighters! You will only make more of them! Maybe not this year, but in 20 years that door will kick open and there will be that man's lil boy sayin 'You killed my pa! DIE!!'.

Posted by: Steve Martin at December 29, 2008 06:30 AM (8yPsP)

22 No wolf... Most of the world would be happy with an Israel gone... Just like most of the world would love to see the US gone...

Thankfully enough of the freedom loving people in the world see straight through the bullshit to keep the balance.

Posted by: chris at December 29, 2008 06:31 AM (A+Pqo)

23 Oops fuckin socks.

Posted by: JarvisW at December 29, 2008 06:31 AM (8yPsP)

24 What crytaline logic! I can see now we should never have bombed Penemunde, until the Germans perfected to V2.

Posted by: BMUELLER at December 29, 2008 06:46 AM (XGlpJ)

25

"And he may not even be aware that Israel sent thousands of cell-phone messages to Gazans telling them to stay away from weapons caches."

Which is like sending a message to fish in a barrel just before you throw a few sticks of dynamite.

Posted by: Tom_W at December 29, 2008 06:54 AM (8Ekom)

26 yup tom you are right... since the whole of Gaza is a terrorist weapons stockpile... its pretty easy to spot the terrorists...

Posted by: chris at December 29, 2008 07:08 AM (A+Pqo)

27 I wonder what argument Klein would use if Israel blind fired an equal number of rockets in return.

Posted by: lotocoti at December 29, 2008 07:19 AM (nF52/)

28 If you don't have the will or means to kill your enemy - eventually they will kill you. War by its nature is barbaric and you have to have some barbarian in you to succeed.

Posted by: rls at December 29, 2008 07:24 AM (k4h7p)

29 Yeah I don't know how Ezra thinks the Israelis are supposed to coexist with Hamas when they keep firing rockets at them. I can't bring my mind down to that level of liberal 'logic'.

Posted by: chemjeff at December 29, 2008 07:26 AM (vkmUf)

30 Tom, you analogy would be correct if every friggin piece of land was Hamas buildings, but it's not. You fail at logic 101. You may not advance into the next level.

Posted by: greg s at December 29, 2008 07:37 AM (DlMoL)

31 This is why the Left gets no respect on national security. They consider "let them kill us" a viable option.

Posted by: dorkafork at December 29, 2008 07:38 AM (LIM+2)

32 Since we're concerned with the "proportionality" of the response, the question that should be asked: What was proportionate about the Hamas actions in the first place?

Posted by: RedFox84 at December 29, 2008 07:43 AM (nzR8G)

33 Klein illustrates why it's always been the left getting us into protracted messes. Vietnam, Korea and the Balkans are all examples of proportionality thought and incrementalism. Thank god there were no "experts" like like Klein calling the D-Day invasion into France against the axis foul and demand the allies turn back and re-think how we can limit ourselves to launching an occasional V2 back into France.

Progressives are nothing more than dangerous fool in the eyes of history and evolution.

Posted by: HatlessHessian at December 29, 2008 07:44 AM (3/V8w)

So wait, Hamas are helpless fish?

No; that makes no sense.

Start over, Tom_W.

Posted by: ushie at December 29, 2008 07:47 AM (XWJh5)

35 >>and further radicalized thousands in the Occupied Territories and millions in the region.

I am a bit sceptical that there is anyone in Palestinian territories or the broader Middle East who said, "You know what, I was a pretty easy-going dude and thought Israelis are just peachy. But this time, with these attacks, they have gone too far. Strap me on with a bomb-belt!"

There is no one left to radicalize. That place is filled with mothers who pray to allah for more children so they could go and blow themselves up.

Posted by: Tushar at December 29, 2008 07:57 AM (PTWes)

36

Ezra Klein is the worst kind of anti-semite: the self-hating Jew.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 29, 2008 08:00 AM (9Cooa)

37 Two thoughts for the execrable Ezra Klein:

1. All's fair in love and war.
2. "Proportionality" of response in war serves only to lengthen the conflict, while overwhelming force hastens its end.

Dumbass.

Posted by: steve at December 29, 2008 08:06 AM (0QaNZ)

The left gets no respect on foreign policy?

Right- thats why we just elected an uber leftist to the oval office, with Israel bashers like that twat- what was her name- Susan something- as key advisors.

Posted by: TMF at December 29, 2008 08:23 AM (waaUg)

39 Considering somewhere around 20% of voters voted upon foreign policy, and in those cases broke for McCain, yeah...

Posted by: RedFox84 at December 29, 2008 08:25 AM (nzR8G)

40 "The response will not come today, of course."--Ezra Klein

What was that NYC protest vs. protest non-response; a frolic?

As per little ones growing up to detonate themselves in order to kill others, SADLY, that's old hat and perpetuates with or without provocation.

Posted by: maverick muse at December 29, 2008 08:25 AM (F1b/5)

41 The reason Obama won was because the election WAS NOT about foreign policy.

Posted by: RedFox84 at December 29, 2008 08:26 AM (nzR8G)

42 One thing about leftards, you can always count on all of them chanting the same nonsensical memes. They need to find a new loser argument. Disproportionate is so passe.

Can you imagine what we would do if Canada or Mexico was lobbing missiles into our territory?

As to radicalizing and threats of suicide bombers, if they haven't noticed there has been a serious drop due to the WALL, limiting access into Israel, and destroying tunnels. I must admit, I love that WALL. They can bitch and moan about it all they want but the truth is that it worked.

Posted by: A Plover In Every Pot! at December 29, 2008 08:31 AM (dxwRh)

43 Oh, and Israel just sent in another 50 or so trucks of humanitarian aid into Gaza. Last week it was 40 + 90 and not another 50. The horror!

Posted by: A Plover In Every Pot! at December 29, 2008 08:33 AM (dxwRh)

The talking babe on Fox this morning in discussing the Israeli army buildup on the border; �I just can�t imagine what the purpose of a ground invasion of Gaza would be for if they do not intend to do away with the Hamas leadership�.

This is the quality of talking head news readers we are getting now.

Posted by: Vic at December 29, 2008 08:39 AM (f6os6)

45 The sooner Iran nukes and exterminates the Jews the better. I've got my Allah doll all lubed up and ready for a good humpin' in readiness for that treasured day.

I know, I know. Radical thought. But there's something about those Muslim terrorists that makes me want to pleasure them.

Posted by: Sam at December 29, 2008 08:50 AM (8HcOE)

Support the IDF? Put your money where their mouth is--buy 'em a pizza:

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Posted by: railwriter at December 29, 2008 08:58 AM (nwEiU)

the Israelis killed to the last man, woman, and child

This is true, not just the Jews would be killed (even those who helped the terrorists) but allmost everyone else as well. Hamas and the PLO have a long and bloody history of killing "collaborators" without trial or mercy.

How does the left & MSM continue to ignore that most Palistinian deaths are caused by the Arabic terror groups and not Israel? The mind boggles at their ability to self-decieve.

Posted by: 5Cats at December 29, 2008 09:04 AM (Ivexw)

48 Can you imagine what we would do if Canada or Mexico was lobbing missiles into our territory?

Probably not much.

Posted by: lmg at December 29, 2008 09:09 AM (A/vgC)

49 Flashoveride, Whiskey makes a good point on the way of winning a war and especially winning a war that is thrust upon a Country that doesn't want it.

He is also correct in that war is horrible , horrible in such a way that typing it hear is ludicrous in trying to convey how bad it actually is....his concept on how to win a war is historically correct.

And as far as your take on winning over a "counter insurgency", Gaza and the West Bank are NOT insurgencies.
Gaza is their own state, where their people elected their own government, who's entire mandate is the destruction of the Israeli's, where their people are born and bred from birth to view Jews as less than human, who will stop at nothing....scratch that.....CANNOT stop from killing Israeli's being they have been indoctrinated in such a fashion that they are incapable of doing anything other than what they are doing now.
Hence, they aren't an insurgence fighting their own people to some political or ideological end, so you have it wrong from the get go and offer no true solution being you obviously don't seem to grasp the basic situation, which in a sense, in making such a statement, sort of mirrors the failure of actual Nations to have a clue (or care) on how to end this endless killing spree.

Posted by: Drider at December 29, 2008 09:09 AM (lwt+p)

50 The sooner Iran nukes and exterminates the Jews the better.

Posted by: Sam

Huh?

Posted by: huerfano at December 29, 2008 09:10 AM (knHvu)

51 Screw proportionate responses ... overwhelming force wins wars. Letting this continue on as low level asymmetric warfare has allowed the palis an odd sort of advantage, with Israel not using its vast conventional arsenal in a devastating way. This seems to have changed that a bit. Sounds like the bunker busters really hammered those tunnels, and some media reports Israeli commandos in Gaza wreaking havoc.

Posted by: Wolverine at December 29, 2008 09:14 AM (tFf0e)

When did proportional response become an accepted military answer to an attack on national soverignty? This is the result of 50 years of our schools and our culture being indoctinated with this multi-culti, one world bullshit.

My very first comment on this blog was in reaction to a post Ace made about the truce Israel agreed to with Hezbollah. Hezbollah attacks Israel and Israel agrees to a truce after inflicting "proportional" damage to Hezbollah. Result, Hezbollah is as strong as ever and totally rearmed by Iran and Syria. Proportional response doesn't work for the simple reason that the attacker factors into his actions the response. Kids do this every day when they press the rules knowing just how far they can push things and get an acceptable punishment.

The reason Israel exists in a neighborhood full of people sworn to their destruction is because historically they don't do proportional destruction. The day they adopt that as policy will be the day they plant the seeds of their own destruction.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 29, 2008 09:22 AM (VW9/y)

The problem with the Kleinian worldview is that it sees Hamas rocket attacks and suicide bombers as communications of Palestinian frustration at their lot in life. The problem is that in a sane world, these are acts of barbarism and war. To view it otherwise is to enable dysfunction.

The primary duty of the state is the protection of its citizens. The Israelis have shown more forbearance than anyone should have expected.

Posted by: Teleprompter Messiah at December 29, 2008 09:32 AM (+kP2/)

54 Sig Heil there, whiskey!

Say, Flash, if you're going to pull Godwin's Law into the fray, you might at least get the language correct. It's 'Sieg Heil'.

So riddle me this: what fraction of fighting age Southern men *did* get killed? And does that number belie Whiskey's point?

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at December 29, 2008 09:41 AM (YYanS)

55 It might profit us to have someone punch Ezra Klein in the mouth, and then lecture him about the cycle of violence and such, and just when he begins to agree, punch him again. Lather, rinse, repeat.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at December 29, 2008 09:44 AM (AlKlj)

56 What illegal settlements in Gaza? It's been judenrein for three years!

Posted by: eaglewingz08 at December 29, 2008 09:45 AM (qh8b9)

57 What illegal settlements in Gaza? It's been judenrein for three years!

I think the word you're looking for is "Judenfrei".

Posted by: Eric at December 29, 2008 09:47 AM (quZLX)

58 JackStraw, the proportionality thought has been particularly troubling for me as well. Its advancement by the left can be due to one of two reasons: (1) because they're idealistic fools and idiots, or (2) because they wish to sustain the current order and not facilitate new dynamics via disproportional, game-changing force.

I'd like to assume that people like Klein are of the former category, as the latter suggests that they knowingly advocate a continuing game that kills dozens of innocents monthly, agitates both parties endlessly and escalates gradually until some party figures out incrementalism is a failing strategy. Then again, when the majority of the progressives (both democrats and republicans) advocate interventionalist, redistributive policies and manifest on the management of outcomes (accepting the cost of some harmed individuals for "greater social good"), this kind of thought occurs.

Posted by: HatlessHessian at December 29, 2008 09:57 AM (3/V8w)

59 I think the word you're looking for is "Judenfrei"

Both terms are nearly equivalent but given the context and particularly the behavior of the Palestinians, judenrein is the more correct of the two.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at December 29, 2008 10:02 AM (YYanS)

>>and further radicalized thousands in the Occupied Territories and millions in the region.

I am a bit sceptical that there is anyone in Palestinian territories or the broader Middle East who said, "You know what, I was a pretty easy-going dude and thought Israelis are just peachy. But this time, with these attacks, they have gone too far. Strap me on with a bomb-belt!"

Yeh, Tushar, this is just Klein acting like a small child*. Looking at the big picture makes it clear he's wrong, so he just wants to talk about "recent deaths", "proportional response" --just to recent events, of course, and then he claims "I wasn't going hurt you but then you hit me back, so now I have to get you".

(*Apologies to small children everywhere who are more logical than this.)

Posted by: MamaAJ at December 29, 2008 10:04 AM (X6Zdh)

HatlessHessian, I think it's a combination. They think the "unfairness" between what the Israelis have and what the "Palestinians" have is the root of the problem. If you asked them what would happen if we armed Hamas with the same weapons Israel has and gave them even more money for infrastructure, they'd claim things would be better because it would be fair.

Then Israel wouldn't be provoking Hamas by living well and all would be sunshine and roses.

They are completely oblivious to their biases: that Israel is bad for having better weapons and living well and that the Palestinians just don't know any better and can't be expected to have a democracy or be peaceful.

Posted by: MamaAJ at December 29, 2008 10:16 AM (X6Zdh)

62 The Israelis should take off the gloves, and push the Palestinians into the sea. Enough of this crap. the only way this is ever gonna be settled is with brute force. Its the rip-off-the-bandaid syndrome. The faster and harder you do it, the less it hurts in the long run.

Posted by: Iblis at December 29, 2008 10:16 AM (z8ywG)

63 the prepping of the battlespace continues

Posted by: Wolverine at December 29, 2008 10:16 AM (tFf0e)

64 I'm fascinated that the concept of a cease fire means I get to shoot at you with no consequences whatsoever. Must be nice to be on that side of it.

On the other hand, if Israel laid down its weapons tomorrow, the country would be utterly annihilated, the Israelis killed to the last man, woman, and child.

I have the sneaking suspicion that there are those to whom that is a feature, not a bug. Actually, I think Klein and his ilk don't truly believe that would happen. Their thinking goes something like this:

1. Israel lays down weapons
2. ????????
3. Peace

Posted by: alexthechick at December 29, 2008 10:18 AM (SHHaV)

48 Can you imagine what we would do if Canada or Mexico was lobbing missiles into our territory?

Probably not much.

I would venture to say that if a town in Mexico near the border was harboring terrorists who were firing 60 to 70 rockets a day across the border into a Texas town and killing American citizens the government would be forced to do something about it OR the the Texans would cross the borderthemselves and indiscriminately kill the entire town and burn it to the ground.

Posted by: Vic at December 29, 2008 10:20 AM (f6os6)

66 I think Israel should take back Gaza, and announce that in 90 days they'll be taking back the West Bank, and reinforcing the Golan Heights.

And then they should SMOKE anyone who tries to stop them.

Including Ezra Fuckschtick.

Posted by: DDJ at December 29, 2008 10:23 AM (mT2TF)

nice tidbit from powerline on the usual MSM BS ...

In today's newspapers one can read via Reuters, for example, that "Israeli warplanes bombed the Islamic University in the Gaza Strip on Sunday, a significant Hamas cultural symbol[.]" The targeting of the university sounds like an error, or an example of Israel's allegedly disproportionate response to the rocket attacks against which it is seeking to defend itself. Why bomb a university?

Turning to the Jerusalem Post, one discovers:

Two laboratories in the university, which served as research and development centers for Hamas's military wing, were targeted. The development of explosives was done under the auspices of university professors.

University buildings were also used for meetings of senior Hamas officials.

The IDF said rockets and explosives were stored in the buildings.

Islamic University, in other words, represents how thoroughly the institutions of the Gaza Strip, such as they are, from mosque to school to state, have been turned into instruments of terror with extermination as their object. It is the commonality of aims that places Hamas in service to Iran...

Posted by: Wolverine at December 29, 2008 10:23 AM (tFf0e)

68 Speaking for Texans ... there would be precisely one missile from Mexico ... then a disproportionate response of about 1000 from Texas, and then there would be a new lake for water sports nearby.

Posted by: Wolverine at December 29, 2008 10:26 AM (tFf0e)

69 Wonder if Klein condemns the US response to Pearl Harbor. To use his words, was that 'a proportional response'? As an uber-lib, he's got his head so far up his ass it's a wonder he can breathe. Tit for tat will get you nothing but continued violence.

Posted by: GarandFan at December 29, 2008 10:32 AM (237hA)

Maybe we could get the Israelis to appoint a crack team of Israelis to investigate themselves and issue a 3 page report proving that their response was proportianate.

Worked for Obama.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 29, 2008 10:36 AM (VW9/y)

71 a significant Hamas cultural symbol

WTF is that supposed to mean? Those cocksucking vermin have no fucking culture; all they care about is destroying others. The only proportionate response is scorched earth and greenglass.

Posted by: Captain Hate at December 29, 2008 10:45 AM (ZW5eD)

72 So what would be the problem with Israel moving to an end-game strategy and delivering the Gaza Palestinian residents to their nation of Palestine (aka Jordan)?

Wasn't that the intent behind the forming of Jordan? I've been perplexed at all the claims of how they're stateless, yet their state is next door. I understand Jordan's launching of the 6-days war cost them the West Bank but that's the extent of my understanding. Certainly they aren't expecting the return of those lands - ask anyone if Germany is demanding the return of its lands seized by Poland or if they're lobbing rockets into Poland. If you pick a fight and lose it, be prepared to accept the outcome.

Increasingly, it appears that Islam is a religion that cannot coexist with others. Should that be the case, the world will eventually have to rid itself of it.

Posted by: HatlessHessian at December 29, 2008 10:47 AM (3/V8w)

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Posted by: TimothyJ at December 29, 2008 11:03 AM (IKKIf)

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Obama claimed that he supports Israel, but also says that, when push comes to shove, he will support the muslims. Obama's a hack lawyer speaking out of both sides of his (Chicago) mouth.

Posted by: RickZ at December 29, 2008 11:09 AM (Cj7uc)

"Klein" means "small" in German--and that's exactly the size of Ezra's brain for writing this drivel. But when you go to the original link, you'll see that Ezra identifies himself as "cooking a mean kung pao". That's exactly what we need in this situation--a Chinese cook!

Posted by: Michael J. Myers at December 29, 2008 11:10 AM (LZ3cP)

Should that be the case, the world will eventually have to rid itself of it.

Agreed--Urban II understood this over 900 years ago. Deus vult.

Chaos is the Palestinians' natural state. I for one have gotten tired of indulging it, and hope the Israelis get crazy on Hamas. Like, terminally crazy. After which I hope that a greedy Western developer paves over the whole Palestinian Gaza notion and turns it into a prime Levant beachside mecca of vice.

I wonder what, y'know, Caroline Kennedy thinks the, y'know, Middle East solution is.

Posted by: railwriter at December 29, 2008 11:13 AM (nwEiU)

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Why does that surprise you? these are the same sorts that sold out religious Jews to Stalin, so he could send them to the gulag for their beliefs and try to root out their religion.

He called them useful idiots. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at December 29, 2008 11:22 AM (lV3zS)

I wonder what Klein's reaction would be if he, let's say, lived in San Diego and Tijuana was firing rockets all over the city? Guys like this turd (Klein) would be the first to demand the US level these bastards.

Posted by: Sparky at December 29, 2008 11:33 AM (J1f2W)

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Posted by: mojo at December 29, 2008 11:34 AM (g1cNf)

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Posted by: Dave J at December 29, 2008 11:47 AM (xHFvH)

Excellent post, Gabriel.

The most stupid thing in the stupid Klein column is the term "further radicalized".

You hear that term a lot from leftists directed at both Israel and the US. It just does not make any sense.

Posted by: Bob from Ohio at December 29, 2008 11:50 AM (s6nMp)

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The purpose of war is to win the debate by means other than diplomatic. No one has ever won anything by using "proportional" response.(Whatever the hell that is.) You use overwhelming response to win the conflict and make your point. Did we slip into a Japaneese naval staion and bomb the ships then leave? If I remember my history right we used the overwhelming response option, and won. Israel by the same token has the right, no responsibility, to do the same thing, thus saving thousands of lives down the road say in another few years when all this becomes necessary again, and it will you know. Sort of like our reason given to the world why we had to use the nuclear option, which is in no way connected to this posting. Short of Nukes, I believe Israel has the obligation and the right to defend itself using any respose it wants to use. Use enough respose and maybe the arabs will realize that "rockets fired into Israel equals Israel retaliates." It is called a condioned response. Hell, even dogs are smart enough to understand that principle, as Pavlov proved. I hope the arabs are smarter than dogs, although right now it doesn't seem to be so.

Excellent site by the way. I have been "conditioned" to visit at least once every day.

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Posted by: richard at December 29, 2008 11:56 AM (IlPvz)

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No wonder Progressives require redistribution. Someone's got to deal with all those successful people out there being disproportionate.

Posted by: HatlessHessian at December 29, 2008 11:57 AM (3/V8w)

I'd love to see Israel FINALLY say enough of this charade, and do what should have been done long ago.

Had they done so, the cost in lives would have been a fraction of the coming horror. No amount of "diplomacy", or "negotiation" matters here. Anyone with a half brain could realize that the issue was NEVER statehood, or self governance, these were mere cover. It's ALWAYS been about the elimination of Israel, and I can't for the life of me understand why that isn't evident to the rest of the planet. Is it malicious or wilful blindness?

If it's either, then somebody's moral compass needs a major overhaul.

Posted by: irongrampa at December 29, 2008 11:58 AM (ud5dN)

Clarity from the White House: "You want the Israeli strikes to stop? Quit lobbing rockets and mortars into Israel".

Of course, Hamas wants the damn war, so that ain't gonna work.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at December 29, 2008 11:58 AM (VEBC3)

87 Timothy J:

Obama more than likely subscribes to the Weather Underground's (Bill Ayers) perspective on "palestine". Starting on Page 104 of "Prairie Fire":

..."There is a sobering similarity between the situation of the Palestinians and the history of the Native American people. The reality is that Israel is an expansionist power, based on zionist colonialism."

p.106: "The zionist state is clearly the aggressor, the source of violence and war in the Mideast, the occupier of stolen lands. The military solutions of periodic war and expansion, reprisal raids and constant preparation for war are the consequence of intransigent opposition to a political coopertive future with Palestinians and Arabs. It is racist and expansionist- the enemy of Palestinians, the Arab people, and the Jewish people.

p. 108 " The US people have been seriously deceived about the Palestinians and Israel. This calls for a campaign to educate and focus attention on the true situation: teach-ins, debates and open clear support for Palestinian libertation:....... Our silence or acceptance of pro-zionist policy is a form of betrayal of internationalism. "

"SELF DETERMINATION FOR THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE!
US OUT OF THE MIDEAST!
END AID TO ISRAEL!"

Obama, Susan Rice and Samantha Power more than likely adhere to this perspective, being such solid students of progressive globalist theory. Only by refusing to acknowledge the Islamic nature of this conflict can they embrace such utter tripe.

...

Posted by: Derak at December 29, 2008 12:16 PM (9/9tb)

I lost a great deal of respect for Condoleeza when she worked so hard to force Israel to stand down last time. Of course it is hard for diplomats not to stop the violence by any meand, well, short of violence. But I felt Israel should not stop short of Damascus.

As it is, I think Israel is doomed. If Iran gets the bomb, they won't need to use it, but they can escalate the war of attrition through their proxies. It is all so depressing.

Posted by: doug at December 29, 2008 12:26 PM (dxxkS)

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Posted by: Unclefacts at December 29, 2008 12:26 PM (M+Vfm)

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Posted by: The Obvious at December 29, 2008 12:42 PM (1g+FW)

91 Is it malicious or willful blindness?

It's malicious. Outside of evangelical Christian Republicans, I'm hard pressed to identify a significant organized group that really supports Israel and wants to see them prosper. (Lots of individuals do, like we here, and a minority of the population of many countries.) Look at the attitude of the UN, the EU, the Third World, even the US State Department: unremitting Jew hatred. They want Israel gone. There is no other reason to support or fund or aid or encourage the "Palestinians".

The Palestinians exist for one reason alone: They are a weapon of war against Israel. Why else do you think they have been kept in refugee camps funded by the UN instead of being resettled in Arab countries - as the Jews expelled from Arab countries since 1948 were resettled in Israel and elsewhere? They never were a distinct "people", and the day the Israelis pack up and move to Miami is the day the aid stops and the "Palestinians" cease to exist. Mission Accomplished!

The only way Israel will ever have peace is 1) an attitude change on the part of the Arabs, or 2) creation of a buffer zone. #1 is unlikely as long as the people involved feel a religious obligation to annihilate the Jews, with much of the world silently cheering them on. #2 was the reason the West Bank and Gaza (and the Sinai peninsula, too) were captured in the first place, but Israel failed to expel the enemy from the territories and thus never established the buffer zone they need between them and any Arabs. It's long overdue for them to follow through and finish the job.

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We teach our students here real life, in real life, when confronted with danger, would you have your kid defend him/herself, just to let that person back up off the ground? HELL NO!!!! When it comes to confortation, you use everyingthing at your desposal, nothing less....remember, liberals are that guy that will talk mad shit, then when that shit hits the fan, the are nowhere to be found....

Posted by: slizzle at December 29, 2008 12:58 PM (AMhGD)

93 flashoverride, remember, we set the stage for the Surge in Iraq by killing a fair number of bad guys and identifying people we could negotiate with. We then negotiated with them to get actionable intelligence on more bad guys. I was there for some of it.

For the maniacs you can't negotiate with, the only solution is extermination.

Posted by: SGT Dan at December 29, 2008 09:40 PM (604CD)

"the checkpoints, the road closures, the restricted movement, the terrible joblessness, the unflinching oppression, the daily humiliations, the illegal settlement"

Let's get this straight:

The Israelis caused Hamas to fire rockets at their civilians, by closing roads and putting up checkpoints, never mind that they were designed to stop suicide bombers (and have reduced such attacks by around 90% as reported by Shin Bet), because the suicide bombers were Israel's fault too for trying to stop Hamas launching rockets.

And joblessness in Gaza is Israel's fault because the Palestinians destroyed billions of dollars worth of greenhouse industry and turned them into tunnels to smuggle weapons to shoot at Israelis.

Why am I seeing a pattern here?

Oh and does this guy expect to be taken seriously when he implies there are "illegal settlements" in Gaza?

Posted by: DJ Douche at December 30, 2008 12:29 AM (QKrrS)

Wow, this is why I love this site. Compared to the MSM you, my fellow morons are a breath of fresh air. And, yes, Israel needs to go disproportionate and finish Hamasistan off while they have the chance. I wish they would stop the humanitarian aid until after the Palis renounce the Hamas charter they voted for and surrender. If Israel has to go Mongol on them to obtain that, fine with me.

Posted by: BattleofthePyramids at December 30, 2008 12:31 AM (NvO9R)

92 The Palestinians exist for one reason alone: They are a weapon of war against Israel. Why else do you think they have been kept in refugee camps funded by the UN instead of being resettled in Arab countries - as the Jews expelled from Arab countries since 1948 were resettled in Israel and elsewhere?

"Since 1948, it is we who have demanded the return of the refugees, while it is

we who made them leave. We brought disaster upon a million Arab

refugees by inviting them and bringing pressure on them to leave. We

have accustomed them to begging...we have participated in lowering

their morale and social level...Then we exploited them in executing

crimes of murder, arson and throwing stones upon men, women and

children...all this in the service of political purposes...� -- Khaled el-

Azm, Syrian prime minister after the 1948 War, in his 1972 memoirs,

published in 1973.

�Since 1948, the Arab leaders have approached the Palestinian

problem in an irresponsible manner. They have used to Palestinian

people for political purposes; this is ridiculous, I might even say

criminal...� -- King Hussein, Hashemite kingdom of Jordan, 1996.

�The Arab states do not want to solve the refugee problem. They want to

keep it as an open sore, as a weapon against Israel. Arab leaders do

not give a damn whether Arab refugees live or die. The only thing that

has changed since [1949] is the number of Palestinians cooped up in

these prison camps.� -- Former UNRWA director Ralph Galloway in 1958

Posted by: DJ Douche at December 30, 2008 01:17 AM (JvKLG)

97 Now, now. Perfectly symmetrical violence never solved anything.

Posted by: Professor Hubert J. Farnsworth at December 30, 2008 02:38 AM (8MuSQ)

98 When someone tries to kill me, proportional response is them, dead.

It must take an Ivy League degree, or years of journalism experience, to be unable to understand that.

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