1 This John Galt's not paying for global//green shit!

2 <i> Now what would you pay?</i>

You act as though I have any choice in the matter.

3 Green is the new black.

4 Now what would you pay?

Well that's the real genius of his plan. I don't have to worry myself about how much it's worth. My wonderful government will tax me the appropriate amount.

5
These guy must wake up in the morning for the sole purpose of thinking up new ideas to waste taxpayer's money.

In related news, Arnold wants to build a high-speed rail system in Cahl-ee-fohn-ee-a.

Monorail?

Monorail!

6 Next step: Preventing global warming deniers from disseminating their malicious falsehoods is a matter of national security. 

7 Why don't we cut to the chase and just start bailing out all these pretend new 'green' industries without actually going through the bother of trying creating them? It seems a much more efficient way to do things.

8
No nukes.

No drilling for oil.

Tax the shit out of the few remaining factories we have left in America.

And spend billions of $$ in Federal monies on stupid shit such as "raising Green awareness."

Sounds great!

9 This is like recycling on steroids. Total Bullshit for the most part but it "creates" crappy jobs in every community. I'm sure the people who get laid off from the big 3 will jump at the chance to build solar panels for $12 an hour.

10 Pay attention! The message is slowly evolving into "climate change" from "global warming" - the backers are beginning to understand that betting against the Sun (a Solar Minimum) was a bad move.  This community will slowly stop talking about polar bear extinction and morph into a concerned forum of professionals addressing the potential impacts (famine, etc) of a cooling period.  I hope somebody is keeping score.

11 I think someone has been snorting pixie dust.  gawd

12 Enemies, Foreign & Domestic.

The Future / Soylent Green.

13 I keep saying the same thing.

Obama is not a socialist. He is not a Chicago machine politician. He is not a Green. He is not a communist. He is not a Democrat. He is not a liberal.

He is just stupid. A dumbass. Low IQ - If he got a high IQ mark somewhere, it was pure affirmative action.

Man, there are some interesting times coming.

14 Governor Arnold is peddling the same crap in Kalifornia.  Made a BIG presentation on how the state was going to lead the way in the Green Revolution.  Only problem was that the state's fiscal people did an analysis and stated that most of the claims were BOGUS and OVERSTATED.  Peer review on the study also castigated those who wrote it for invalid and unsubstantiated claims.  Standby for a further exodus of businesses from the People's Republic.

15 The Obama/Gore Comprehensive Energy Utopia plan, to be implemented within the next year:

Immediately ban all hydrocarbon fuels (details on sustainment of the national transportation infrastructure to be disclosed at a later, unspecified date).

Invent a new, densely-packed fuel, that emits only oxygen when burned (details of the chemical structure, manufacture and necessary raw materials to be disclosed at a later, unspecified date).

Invent a new, 100% efficient solar cell, and begin immediate full-scale production (details of the engineering, production ramp-up requirements and necessary raw materials to be disclosed at a later, unspecified date).

Hoist a wheatgrass shot in a technology-free world.

16 Trees love CO2. Why does Obama hate trees?

And Save The Planet? Stop believing your retarded fucking speeches, cockholster. You're not a fucking deity. You can't "save" the planet, whatever you even think that means, you deluded fucking fuck.

17 And the dirty little secret is that the manufacturing processes for all the eco-crap technology is very energy intensive itself, and also very dirty.  Modern wind turbines are made from fiberglass composites.  To make fiberglass you have to "melt" sand.  Takes a lot of energy to do that.  And the process involves using extruders made from platnium and rhodium, two precious and rare metals.  Geothermal?  You've got to dig up gigantic chunks of earth and install insulated pipes to carry water back and forth to get any use out of it.  Talk about ravaging the earth.  But solar power is the worst of all.  You need ultraclean silicon to make good solar panels, about as pure of silicon as you need to make computer processors.  Making ultrapure silicon is a nasty, nasty process.  You take sand and heat it up really high, producing silicon that is about 98% pure.  But that is not good enough.  You take that silicon and you blow over it trichlorosilane gas.  This gas is nasty.  It is toxic, corrosive, and decomposes in water to produce acids.  You have lots of water in your eyes.  If it comes in contact with your eyes, you are in a world of pain.  This gas can then decompose to produce purer silicon.  Repeat until you have ultrapure silicon.  The byproducts of this process all constitute extremely hazardous waste.  It should come as no big surprise that most of the computer chip manufacturing occurs in other countries, since if it were done here the regulations on the waste alone would make computers cost about $5000 each.  Nobody wants to talk about this.  As usual the eco-nazis know nothing about the law of unintended consequences.

18 That ain't nuthin. The trial lawyers are coming.

<blockquote>People affected by worsening storms, heatwaves and floods could soon be able to sue the oil and power companies they blame for global warming, a leading climate expert has said.
Myles Allen, a physicist at Oxford University, said a breakthrough that allows scientists to judge the role man-made climate change played in extreme weather events could see a rush to the courts over the next decade.
He said: “We are starting to get to the point that when an adverse weather event occurs we can quantify how much more likely it was made by human activity. And people adversely affected by climate change today are in a position to document and quantify their losses. This is going to be hugely important."</blockquote>

http://tinyurl.com/66xqc5

19 I hate this commenting system.

20

Global warming, myass. It's freezing here in North Texas.

If CO2 is a pollutant, Washington DC should be a federal disaster area, particularly the air over and around the Senate Building.

21 Stop the world.  I want to get off.

22

All platitudinal (is that a real word?)bullshit.

This green shit, if pushed, will bankrupt all companies and corporations in the US. Fuck green. Any company that makes a point of being green to get business will not get my support. It is a tradeoff between protecting the enviornment and killing the economy. Climate change is not, and will never be, under the control of the human species. Fuck Algore. Not a mistype. Fuck Algore.

23 Obama is simply trying to change the subject away from Chicago.

24 in all 50 states, to re-power America


50 states? Did we lose a few since the election?

25 50 states? Did we lose a few since the election?

How many states went for McCain in the election?

26 You ever notice that Obama takes all the fun out of buzzword bingo? Just sayin...

27 Chemjeff: This is why the Prius is more expensive in impact dollars per mile than a Hummer ($3 something vs. $1 something): The batteries are incredibly toxic to produce. The land around the factories literally looks like the surface of the moon for miles around. But no one wants to talk about this because it messes with their warm fuzzies. It reminds me of a show where the guy and his mom were in therapy, and he brought up some unpleasant truths that she'd been in denial about. She sat there for a moment, then turned to the therapist and said, all chipper, "Let's talk about the time we went to Disneyworld!"

Yeah, let's do that.

28 It reminds me of a show where the guy and his mom were in therapy, and he brought up some unpleasant truths that she'd been in denial about. She sat there for a moment, then turned to the therapist and said, all chipper, "Let's talk about the time we went to Disneyworld!"

Yeah, let's do that.

Posted by: Joanna at December 10, 2008 12:31 AM (qBRUE)


Heh... yeah, I think that was an episode of Burn Notice.

29 Well, I could go on and wax eloquent about how this is all bullshit, but I will summarize in three words;


We Are Fucked!!!

30 What's amazing is that this sociopath managed to pack all this B.S, into one sentence.

31

We Are Fucked!!!

 

Nicely put.

32 So we have to stop the climate from changing?  How will we know if we've succeeded?

33 Damn sockpuppets...

34 Meanwhile Sarah Palin is actually doing real work to solve our energy problems.

35 Greetings:

What about for the children, for God's sake, for the children

36

The guy goes out of his way to be purposely vague on all things. Getting tiring having every press confrence he gives to feed his megalomaniac sound like a campaign rhetoric sound byte. He gives the illusion of saying something meaningful without actually saying anything. I guess that helps when your making it up as you go and don't want to embarrass yourself by backtracking on everything.

"It was implied" or "it was said with the understanidng that..."

37

Joanna,

In all honesty, the moon-like region of the planet you're referring to is the strip mine used to produce the nickel that's in the batteries powering the Prius.  But it's the same overall point.  The scariest part is that the real enviro-Nazis realize all this, which is why they oppose everything.  So they criticize car makers for not making greener cars.  Okay, then Toyota unveils the Prius.  Then they criticize the greedy corporations that pollute the earth producing the nickel.  Fine, we'll have cars that run on compressed natural gas.  Then they complain about the global warming produced by the burned gas.  Eventually they will simply stand and oppose cars altogether.  And all the rest of technology.  You should read some of the posts on these enviro-nut blogs.  Their answer to our environmental dilemmas are all so simple: "Just walk or ride a bike, stupid!" they breathlessly type while sipping a latte at a downtown New York cafe. 

38 So we have to stop the climate from changing?  How will we know if we've succeeded?

Posted by: Donovan McNabb at December 10, 2008 01:00 AM (fhJCy)


When money has been outlawed and everything above the Mason-Dixon Line is buried under a sheet of ice.

SUCCESS IS FAILURE
VICTORY IS SURRENDER
WISDOM IS IDIOCY

39 If we can just figure out a way to harness the massive energy potential of unicorn farts, well, let's just say all our worries will be over.

40 18 and 22: I predict that global warming will be the silicone implants of this generation. Lots of people making money off of a gullible public based on faulty science and fueled by an easily-manipulated press.

Oh, and the monorail in Seattle has been out of commission the last 5 times I have been up there. Ah-nold might want to look elsewhere for inspiration.

41 Yugos for everyone! Yaaaay!

42 Flubber, #19: "I hate this commenting system."

Same here. But not because it doesn't allow regular HTML; rather, because the threads are so ephemeral that you have to react almost immediately (which I can't, from work), or else they just die.

I'm more of a forum person -- I prefer permanent threads, in which a 24-hour point/counterpoint cycle is not uncommon. But Ace & Co. provide much more worthwhile and/or funny stuff to read, so I'm stuck here.

(BattleOfThePyramids and LexisTexas -- in case you see this, I left you a response in the Right-To-Die thread. If you choose to reply, please notify me somehow.)

43 I think Yugo stopped producing cars about a month ago...

44 Meh, I'm not impressed. He's said all sorts of crap that he's backing down on now.

45 His "green" goals are identical to the CPUSA's.

Cool, huh?

46

Funny how they don't call it 'Global Warming' anymore.  Now it's 'Climate Change'.

47 He's said all sorts of crap that he's backing down on now

This is our only hope, mom. Remember how Clinton (Bill) used to give a speech on something and Democrats would claim he'd "addressed that issue" even when he never did another thing about it? I hope Obama is like that.

Also please remember that whatever onerous regulations/laws/crap the Democrats impose in the next few years there will be lots of big companies exempted because they know how to offer a bribe.

48 Myles Allen, a physicist at Oxford University, said a breakthrough that allows scientists to judge the role man-made climate change played in extreme weather events could see a rush to the courts over the next decade.
He said: “We are starting to get to the point that when an adverse weather event occurs we can quantify how much more likely it was made by human activity. And people adversely affected by climate change today are in a position to document and quantify their losses. This is going to be hugely important."

What kind of purportedly educated cockholster uses a term like "hugely important" to describe something that just benefits ambulance-chasers cashing in on a natural tragedy by using some scam guesswork to get over on ignorant juries?  Maybe the world would be a better place if dipshit parents that named their stupid offspring "Myles" were publicly humiliated for their abject dumbfuckery.

49 Of course it's a matter of national security. Don't you know Manbearpig is the greatest threat to the United States in existance?

50 An honest campaign slogan from Obama would've been "What's in your wallet?"

51 "We'll create jobs (federal), re-power ourselves (pixy dust), redesign our energy use (stop using it), think (think), strengthen our economy (tax it), be safer (ignore actual threats), reduce our dependence on foreign oil (see stop using it) make us more competitive (ignorant) AND save the planet."

--And we'll do it smarter!

(I'd like to find the guy who invented that phrase, BTW-- I'll make him smart all right.)

52 Who is John Galt?

I'm so glad the Dems don't have a supermajority.  Do you think they'll pull the nuclear option?

53

#18

Good Holy God, you have got to be joking....I simply can't believe what is happening in this country & this world.  What is this man going to do to us, and more importantly, will we ever, ever recover...  Can I sue the Gov't if my high blood pressure can be directly related to their fucked up programs, policies and excessive taxation?

54 Gore looked like a dead man walking yesterday.  Obama needs another scandal somewhere else to offset his, so prepare for a surprise.

55

They had to rename Global Warming ,Climate Change because the earth is not warming anymore, it's cooling down.  The science for GW went out the window( or down the toilet) so they needed to redesign the scam.

 

56

Climate Change a Matter of "National Security"

 

Of course he has to say that because they have already worn out “do it for the children”.  If the politicians had to live with the truth in advertising law the phrase would be “Do it for the communists” because that is what we are seeking.

 

The other great question is why hasn’t some dumb ass reporter asked him how it will “help” the economy to put in all of these new “taxes” on stuff like pig and cow farts.  And if the intent is to reduce greenhouse gasses then why isn’t the plan revenue neutral. If farmers are going to have to pay tens of thousands of dollars in taxes on pig fats then where are the tens of thousands of dollars in tax breaks to offset that?

 

Oh, stupid question. There are no reporters, only propaganda readers.

 

57 So we have to stop the climate from changing?  How will we know if we've succeeded?

Posted by: Donovan McNabbat December

When it all ends in a tie?

58 #50 CDR M:  comment of the week, and watch out for them Viking hordes.  Was Obama's mom a Scandi?

59 "Just walk or ride a bike, stupid!" they breathlessly type while sipping a latte at a downtown New York cafe.

Yes. They have no friggin' idea where coffee comes from, not to mention all the food they eat.

No vehicles or electricity = cannibalism in Manhattan within a week.

60

Just more and more manufactured crises to create the environment (ha!) that allows Washington to control everything, and "dole" out just enough to keep us dependent. No, I don't think he really believes this eco-nazi stuff, it's just a tool. Just like the auto bail-out, just like health insurance, state and local govt bail-out, etc.

@44 - I wish. I don't think that's the case. but I wish! I hope you are right.

OT - Does, anybody else smell a rat in this whole "spread broadband" for everyone. Won't this mean if the govt paid for it, the govt can more easily REGULATE it?

61

I doubt that the One is going to back off on this one. It fits well with his overall communist agenda and gives him a triple shot. He gets to increase taxes (more socialism), he gets the so-called cap and trade influence peddling scheme so that they can get more money from lobbyists and special interest groups, AND he can bankrupt a number of companies that don’t get the special “influence”. Those companies well come seeking a “bailout” and will be nationalized like the banks, soon to be car companies, and the city bus systems.

 

As for allowing the government to regulate things easier, they ALREADY regulate nearly everything in your life. The American public would probably go insane if the knew the extent that government regulations control their life.

62

Anyone remember chemistry or physics?

Imagine a closed system where you don't control the rate of energy entering or exiting the system, the duration of the experiment, the pressure of the system and you can only alter a minisucle percentage of the location of the chemicals involved. In that experiment, can you reasonably expect to control the temperature of the system?

I doubt it. Seriously, outside of a nuclear winter, we don't have the ability to alter weather. So how, pray tell, are we going to mitigate "climate change?" I only ask because as an earth scientist who has a decade of expierence in oil and gas, and is working on alternative energy, I'd be interested in knowing what page of my college text books had the chapter on "Ignoring earth's history and pretty every damn rule of matter and energy for fun and profit" because I must have missed that day.

63

@61. Yeah, you're right...can we just split the country yet? Let all the kool-aid drinkers have hmmm...a barge out at sea?

 

64 Buh... but t3h United States is the Saudi Arabia of wind.  As for the US also being the Saudi Arabia of coal and shale, our leader will kindly ask you to look the other way on that one.

Windmills kill birds.  Would there not be a drop of poetic justice if windmills killed the political future of a certain rara avis?

65

Windmills kill birds

 

The eco-idiots will tell you that they have solved that problem. What they haven’t solved is the fact that they vary so much in power output and frequency so they can not be directly connected to the grid. In addition they are very expensive to operate and they are noisy. Solar is expensive to operate and it generates toxic waste which has a half-life of infinity..

66 In that experiment, can you reasonably expect to control the temperature of the system?

Ok, being one of those physical chemists, I'll bite.  The answer is 'yes', depending on what you mean by reasonable.  The question, however, could have been better put as, "Can you reasonably expect to control the temperature of the system to any degree that matters in terms of species survival or environmental cost?"...

67

I doubt it. Seriously, outside of a nuclear winter,

WOH no.

Nuclear winter is a complete and utter BS sham. It's right up there with the scientists who claimed that splitting a Uranium atom would produce enough energy to start off a chain reaction causing the fission of all the Uranium on the planet and blow it apart.

Seriously - no nuclear winter. Crock o' shit.

Alot of these same guys were calling for mini-nuclear winters, 'conventional munitions autumn' if you will, as the result of practically any armed conflict they observed.

But this was all back when the NYT was screaming "ICE AGE! Horde canned goods!". Nowadays we know all those noxious exhaust gasses don't just cause cloud cover, they have a 'greenhouse effect'.

68

We have the opportunity now to create jobs all across this country

He's gonna hafta create a lot of them.  Every day some new huge legitimate job-creator (we call them businesses) is cutting or closing their doors and thousands more are losing becoming unemployed.  What a relief to know that Obama is going to fix all that.  My question:  Who the bloody *%$@& is going to pay for them.

69 I'm imagining federal stooges in every community assigned to watching you; do you recycle (penalties if not), do you drive an efficient vehicle, do you carpool, how much do you shit, how much red meat do you consume, do you grill with propane or charcoal...

You thought Home Owner's Associations were bad? Wait until you see this!

70

It'll be interesting to watch American become a third world country.  More interesting to watch all the rich Hollywood celebrities and welfare junkies with their big-screen tv's live without their toys.  The common working man who is used to taking care of himself and doing without things they can't afford will be the survivors.  Remember the Depression suicides?  Some people can't hack reality.

71

Governor Arnold is peddling the same crap in Kalifornia. 

Sadly, all of us who bought into "The Recall" were fooled badly. In many respects Ah-nold has been worse than Gray Davis ever was. And the real problem wasn't even Gray Davis. It is the Gerrymandered radical Demunist Commiecrats in the legislature (and the innate commieness in places like San Francisco don't help either). Gray Davis actually used to restrain the more radical Demunists with vetoes.

72 We don't have representation.  We have dictators and tyrants.  Help us all.

73 It'll be interesting to watch American become a third world country.  More interesting to watch all the rich Hollywood celebrities and welfare junkies with their big-screen tv's live without their toys.  The common working man who is used to taking care of himself and doing without things they can't afford will be the survivors.  Remember the Depression suicides?  Some people can't hack reality.

I'm wondering if what we'll have is rolling brownouts/blackouts for most of us, but special rules for the important areas - Beverly Hills, Manhattan, D.C. etc., who will require a constant stream of high quality electricity.

Politicians will attempt to forestall urban riots by providing as much electricity as they can. Living conditions will be squalid for the poor, much better for the enclaves of professionals. The nomenklatura always take care of themselves.

Rural areas will find their own ways to survive, and attempts at government regulation will be met with violence and inspectors 'disappearing.'

The suburbs? That's where the real sacrifices will be made. People will be told to simply walk away from their homes, mortgages, credit ratings and dreams of a comfortable life and squeeze into an inner city hellhole to save the earth. Yes, I know you have two degrees and have worked your ass off to make a better life for your family, but that was selfishness - you should have been making a better life for everyone.

Things could really get dystopian in a green utopia.

 

74 The suburbs? That's where the real sacrifices will be made. People will be told to simply walk away from their homes, mortgages, credit ratings and dreams of a comfortable life and squeeze into an inner city hellhole to save the earth.

This.  For all of Obama's posturing, he seems to have a genuine and serious aversion to the entire concept of suburbs (as do a lot of lefties)... maybe to the point of contempt for their existence.  If "sacrifices" have to be made, the suburbs seem to be the ideal place to make it happen.  Can't afford gas under the Obama plan of manufactured scarcity and high taxes?  Move to the city.  Afraid of losing your home, or watching its value plummet?  I guess you'll just have to move to the city and find something that is more sustainable.  The left has always hated the suburbs.  Too white, too selfish, too big, too wasteful, too Republican.  The "right" energy policy can make them go away.

75

has anyone seen the new REALITY commercials about clean coal?

or how about the new repoWEr america commercials....you know the one with the cockholster saying "unless you have something against creating new jobs"

everytime i see that bullshit i want to dump some toxic waste in their hippie city farm gardens.

76 75:

I actually agree with Reality.  Screw clean coal, burn it dirty.

As for Repower America, what a joke.  They want 43% of electricity to come from wind/solar in 10 years.  I only wonder how they think they will do it... slowly starving away 95% of the US population, or use the Bill Ayers "round 'em up 'n slaughter 'em" method.  But at least their list of "experts" who "validate" the plan is worth a good laugh. 

77 This. For all of Obama's posturing, he seems to have a genuine and serious aversion to the entire concept of suburbs (as do a lot of lefties)... maybe to the point of contempt for their existence. If "sacrifices" have to be made, the suburbs seem to be the ideal place to make it happen. Can't afford gas under the Obama plan of manufactured scarcity and high taxes? Move to the city. Afraid of losing your home, or watching its value plummet? I guess you'll just have to move to the city and find something that is more sustainable. The left has always hated the suburbs. Too white, too selfish, too big, too wasteful, too Republican. The "right" energy policy can make them go away.

So, I'm curious about this. If all those white people with their white ideas, values, money and votes really do move into the cities in droves, when do the Gentrification eradication squads come out?

78 ^^

It's all conjecture, of course, but I don't think most (white) libs really have a problem with gentrification, as they are the main culprits.  As for the suburban values problem, you have a point there, but the contempt for suburban sprawl still exists regardless.

79

Read Michael Crichton's book "State of Fear" (written in 2004); amazingly he predicted the switch from Global Warming to Global Climate Change...he saw this bullshit coming and had incredible detail in the book that refutes this hoax.  Tell all your friends to read this.  I told my wife a few years ago and converted her, and now our 3 children from eco nuts to real world thinkers. 

One of our children, 12 year old girl, was really unabashedly heading down the liberal path, and after opening her eyes to this (starting with an explanation of why the "list of healthy allowable snacks" she brought home from school was utter nonsense) liberal thinking and exposing its hyprocrasies, she is now a convert and really understands and now asks intelligent questions.  

This is truly the only way to combat this.  We must try as hard as we can to slow the development of the socialist/entitlement centralized government thinking of today, but the only real way is through new blood into our cause.  WE are the only people who can bring the new Bobby Jindal's and Sarah Palin's into the process.  It's up to US!

80 All of this is part of Obama's FDR-esque ponzi scheme of make work.  If you suddenly declare every light bulb in America as effectively being "broken"  then of course we need the 'The Light Bulb Bridgade' to run about the place manufacturing and screwing in proper "working" light bulbs. 

I can see the national pride post right now:  A Navy seaman saluting in front of a supercarrier, an Army soldier handing a box of MRE's to a starving Darfurian, a Marine sternly looking down the sight of his trusty AR, and a Light Bulb Tech in a blue jumper and yellow hard hat while wearing safety glasses and carefully scrutinizing a CFL bulb.

81 Phooie this while CLIMATE CHANGE is a natural occuring phenomina its nothing to do with our SUVs or industires its just a phonie attempts at WORLD GOVERMENT run by the evil UN its just a attempt by the sinister green nazis from GREENPEACE and the SIERRA CLUB to control our lives time to stick the junk science inspired KYOTO TREATY IN THE PAPER SHREADER like liberals want to do with our U.S. CONSTITUTION

82 Also,  not to mention the fact that this will reinvigorate the light bulb joke industry as we know it.

Like: "How many Libtards does it take to change a light bulb?  12,739 -- 1 to change the light bulb and another 12,738 to petition for the request, route to the document processing department, review the request's efficacy in the oversight committe, rubber stamp the approval, audit the regulatory policy framework and procedures, and finally upload the request into the archival storage system.  THEN someone flips the switch on and a polar bear gets to have a Coke and a smile."

83

You'll note that Obama never adresses the question of how these "green" jobs will create VALUE--that is, he never explains what these jobs are that anyone wants to pay to have done, or why noone is doing them now if there's this great untapped market available for them.

Also, all the environmental propaganda I've been exposed to seems to have backfired--every time I hear an econazi buzzword like, "Global Warming," "Global Climate Change," or "Green-collar jobs" I want to start a tire fire.  Seriously, today I saw a letter-to-the-editor in the paper exhorting everyone to turn down their thermostats to save energy and reduce CO2 emissions and whatnot, and my reaction was to think something like, "I wonder if I could cut my electric bill by burning old tires in the woodstove in the basement?"  (I have electric heat).

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