1 Ah, Joe's just trying to keep his qualifications intact when he runs next time.

2 Team Palin throws McCain under the bus. Ha! Take that Maverick McMavericky!

3

He was like "us" only cuz his privacy was violated to the point of criminality, as a common citizen, yet OBAMA's CONSTITUTIONAL MANDATE was never addressed.

Violating a citizens privacy?  all cool, validating constitutional qualifactions?  EVIL EVIL NEO-WARMONGER-CON!!!

4

I was a Marine, and I LOVE the Marines, we are the modern day nights who depict nobility only in our stature, and our willingness to serve and die.

 

BUT I understand Joe's position.  I was Marine from '95-'99.

Nothing nobile in what I might have served had it happened.

5 JOE ISN"T A FUCKING POLITICO!!!!  HE'S A GUY PLAYING CATCH WHITH HIS KID WHILE NOT BEING RETARDED!!!!!

6

we are the modern day nights...

You drunk again pinto?

7

Obama better feel lucky that I'm retarded, don't have a kid or a front yard, because if he walked into my yard the way he walked into joe's, I would have punched him, and held him on the ground until the police showed up.

DOES ANYONE NOTICE THAT OBAMA REGULARLY violated property rights?

ANYONE?!

8

the Republicans didn’t put out a candidate for us to really vote for. It’s the lesser of two evils.

Actually McCain won the New Hampshire Primary and then the MSM shoveled dirt on Mitt, Fred and Rudy.

Why does a liberal moonbat state like NH get to pick the front runner for the Republicans?  Wouldn't it be better to start in Florida, Ohio or Pennsylvania?

Candidates should be required to stay in the race for at least 4 primaries too.

9 #2
I thought it his name was Maverick McAmnesty?

10 Nah, it's a common method I use her, cuz Ace's commentors tend to be arrogant, rather than expressive.

11 When the country finally splits apart I hope one of the new counties that arise will put Joe on the 20 dollar bill so that Obama will have to see Joe's face every time he rolls up a bill to snort his coke.

12 #11

Vicious.... I like it.

13
okay but his name isn't Joe and he really isn't a plumber

14
A random muslim cab driver in Jordan is happy that Bush made America weak.

15

My friends....why all the hostility towards a man that's still doddering about a darkened debate stage- looking for something to lean against?

 

16 #15
Who mentioned Joe Biden?

17 Toad?  PROBABLY Joe Biden mentioned Joe Biden, thats Just how Joe Biden Rolls.

18 Speaking of leaning, I still think they deliberately chose that townhall setup to make McCain look bad.  The chairs they picked were really high, and McCain's injuries were obviously giving him problems, while Obama was lounging at his ease.

19 Toad?  OBAMA mentioned Joe Biden?

20 The best part about all this is just how vocal all of Obama's supporters were, so we know who they are.  It's going to make pointing and luaghing so much easier for the next four years.

21 Laughing.  If I Luagh, they probably wouldn't understand.

22

@ 20: It would be a great irony if that tingle up the leg turns out in the future to be a hidden wire short-circuiting.

23 Surely Scranton mentioned Joe Biden?

24

18 Speaking of leaning, I still think they deliberately chose that townhall setup to make McCain look bad.  The chairs they picked were really high, and McCain's injuries were obviously giving him problems, while Obama was lounging at his ease.

Agreed. I still hate dislike the man.

25 Joe sucked up when he got him the spotlight...

I have no use for so called conservatives who seem to be willing to shrug off an Obama presidency because they didn't like McCain.

26 joe mama and pinto...careful or drewM will get his tasseled loafers in a bunch and start calling you truthers, nutters and anything else he can tat up on a moment's notice.
 drunk or not.....

27 Bad news:   Barack Obama is President

Good News:  McCain Lost the  presidency

28 Dave C ....I am hoping that you are right and that there will be some good news in all of this. But BHO being president.....shudder....I don't see that as a step up from McCain somehow.
 Does anyone really think that McCain would prove to be as dangerous in the oval office as BHO?

29

@26

I guess I'm not the only one that has noticed the only correct opinions are the DrewM opinions.

30 Ronster....so it's not just me?
 Sheesh..I was *almost* getting a complex. Except that when you are fighting with DrewM you can't help but think of that name and picture a kindergartner's cubby.
 I mean, Drew M? How many "Drews" are there anyway?
 Oh, and he fights like a girl. Yeah...I said it Drew, come and get me, HEH
 But Ronster...you have to remember Drew's opinions are not just opinions they are facts carried down from the mount engraved on stone tablets.....
 He saw it all happen when he witnessed chairman zero's birth....

31 Joe the Plumber knows a tool when he sees one.

32

McCain has his faults and the press would lynch him like Bush, but that guy is gutsy!  His life is totally amazing.  Yean he's not as smooth a shit-talker as Biden, nor does he have that studied cool that Obama has, but he has real deep down guts, and no one can deny it, not even Obama. And it's gonna take a lot of guts to take on Iran and deal with Putin and terrorism.

 

33 7HEAVENS, I don't think anyone's (here, anyway) saying they dislike McCain personally.  If I met him, I'd shake his hand, not punch him.  We're just saying that we only preferred him to Obama and would have liked someone other than either of them as President.  We're certainly going to wish we had some toughness in DC these next four years. 

34 If I met him, I'd shake his hand, not punch him.

Dude, election's over.  We can go back to hating his guts.  No amount of military service could justify his record of stabbing conservatism in the back.

35

Biden. Who's that. Delaware used to have a senator by that name, but the guy took Holy Orders and is in a monastery someplace.  Nobody's heard anything from him for months.

 

And people claim Palin's dumb.  Geez.

36 Joe the Plumber is a fucking ROCK STAR!

McCain is the same lame-ass Republican that bites us daily. Damn his political ass in 2 years.

Governor Palin needs to get her William F. Buckley-on and fight the MSM.

Christmasghost is my current favorite commenter on AOSHQ.

37 Dude, election's over.  We can go back to hating his guts.  No amount of military service could justify his record of stabbing conservatism in the back.

Well, I campaigned for him (okay, I campaigned for Sarah Palin and he happened to be on the ticket), so that may be part of my reticence to completely flip on him.  I'm not at all pleased by his bipartisan streak, but if I can maintain friendships with people who actively supported the Golden Calf, I think I can manage to tolerate a guy who's with us most of the time. 

Plus, dude's in his seventies.  Punching him would make me like the worst person in America.  Okay, second worst.

38 Hey Methos - I campaigned for the old guy and Palin too. I don't regret it, but you know what it's like when you get in front of the hard-core and have to defend him. No words...

39 AGR.......ah, thanks.
 is this a trick?

40 Christmasghost - No trick here. I read your comments and typically like them. Take the compliment and be gracious for shit's sake.

41  Does anyone really think that McCain would prove to be as dangerous in the oval office as BHO?

To the country, during his term?  Of course not.  To the conservative movement?  McCain would do far far far more damage.  And the effects would last a lot longer, because the liberals would no longer have any real opposition, probably for decades.

I'm sorry, if McCain were "tough", he would never, ever, ever have allowed the financial crisis to get blamed on conservatives, not in a million years, not with the easily distributed avalanche of evidence that it was a 95% liberal clusterf*ck. That was so egregious that it actually makes me wonder if McCain wasn't a plant and that he deliberately threw the election.

Qwinn

42 AGR....okay okay....you are right. And thank you very much for the compliment.

Qwinn....I hate to admit it but I thought the same thing. Didn't McCain just seem to not care at all long before the election? There was Sarah fighting like crazy and there was McCain...as if he were throwing the election.

43 Alas, I'm sure he'll spend the next 4 years getting even with those of us who voted for him

LOL - Classic but all too true!

44

Good strategy for Republicans.  Continue to bash your nominee in the press after the election is over.  That's what will give those undecideds and independents the confidence to vote Republican next time. 

I'm glad Joe the Plumber has become Joe the Economic Professor.  Thank you but I'll rather get my opposing views from people more qualified to comment when deciding on an issue.  

45 Good strategy for Republicans.  Continue to bash your nominee in the press after the election is over.  That's what will give those undecideds and independents the confidence to vote Republican next time.

Actually what might have been helpful is for the Republican nominee not to bash his own voters (either rhetorically or through policy proposals) during the campaign.

Let's be honest, McCain and the GOP was a marriage of convenience for both sides. It didn't work out for either side and there will be recriminations from both sides.

46 That's what will give those undecideds and independents the confidence to vote Republican next time.

The same independents who foisted McCain on us in the first place?

47 [i]I only got to spend a short amount of time with her but, you know,[/i] I got wood like there's no tomorrow...

48

I agree with you both that McCain was a bad candidate and not my favorite person.  What I don't agree with is the constant interparty hyperbole criticism on those issues that deserve criticism instead of constructive criticism and the regular underserved criticism that is rendered on any policy because its not 100% agreeable with a pundit's position.  These actions do nothing but frame the Republicans / conservatives in a constant negative light without even the assistance of the opposition.  If its that easy for a supposed supporter of a party to be so negative how easy do you think it would be for someone who gets their info mostly from headlines and news blips?

 

 

49 Posted by: polynikes at December 10, 2008 10:14 AM (m2CN7)

I agree that being nothing but negative about one's own candidates and party is ultimately counterproductive, but I think we would have seen much less of that had the nominee been more popular among the base.  John McCain has built his political career on being a contrarian, and did little after winning the nomination to unify the party.  That vacuum of leadership or a coherent message on his part helped lead to some negative feelings, and those feelings were only exacerbated by McCain jumping ugly on any Republican who dared to criticize Obama on legitimate issues.

McCain did a lot to deserve the criticism he received that other candidates would not have done.

50 I can't help but feel that neutering the party to court people who don't care enough for the platform to declare themselves a part of it is not a winning strategy.  If we don't get back to first principles there is no difference between parties and we're just running a beauty contest.

51 Posted by: polynikes at December 10, 2008 10:14 AM (m2CN7)

I agree to the extent we can't sit around making thinking we can knock down every good candidate because the perfect one is going to come along any minute now. The problem is McCain wasn't a good candidate, either politically or policy wise. I think it's important to remember why he was awful so as to not fall for the same arguments again.

52

Once again I agree with both of you in regard to McCain.  He was a bad candidate running against a even worse prospect.  I understand the criticism though I didn't agree that it should occur as it did during the election.  Its just not logical if your goal is to win.  My complaint though extends beyond the criticism of McCain.  I'm referring to many other past and present issues which were subject to the wrath of the pundits of pertpetual outrage. 

I'm no fan of Trent Lott but he was unjustly skewered for an inocuous birthday greeting.  Harriet Miers was more qualified on paper than Clarence Thomas was and had proven herself in the real world yet she was portrayed by her Republican / conservative critics as a bumbling idiot not qualified to practice in front of a traffic court.  The Dubai port deal was ladened with misinformation. The constant refrain of Jorge Arbusto type of hyperpole criticism while ignoring the doubling of the amount of border agents,  using the National guard, passing the fence legislation and other enforcements, did nothing to advance the debate and only made the Republicans look bad to the general public.  The criticism of Bush regard to Katrina was unjust and I fault Michelle Malkin for an assist on that issue.  Even the criticism of Iraq became overwrougt among Republicans / conservatives when the going got tough.  Luckily Bush was able to ignore that.   

I agree that continued constructive criticism is crucial to conservatives.  Thats what makes us different and better.  My point is that it now gone beyond constructive criticism to CAVE men.  Complain About Virtually Everything.

53 Posted by: polynikes at December 10, 2008 12:15 PM (m2CN7)

The problem is that conservatives and Republicans aren't monolithic. I look at your list and about half pissed me off and the other half I either was okay with or didn't care.

How do we decide who and when we get to complain?

I'd rather have freewheeling fights than fake imposed unity in pursuit of raw power like the left.

54

How do we decide who and when we get to complain?

I only get to decide who I listen to and I've stopped listening to the constant complainers set out to destroy their own allies when they are in disagreement on opinion.  

   

55 Dig Joe the Plumber's real site at:
http://joetheplumberone.blogspot.com

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