1 urging residents to hoard their recyclables

Hoarding is a mental disorder.  What's the word for when a liberal involuntarily lets the truth slip?

2 You are a courageous man, Open Blog, for withstanding the contempt and disdain of your neighbors, who in time will report your noncompliance to the appropriate authorities. 

3 Recycling is for chumps!

Get with the program and get a burn barrel.

K

4 You should recycle aluminum cans by taking them down to the salvage yard yourself, then using the money to buy more beer.

Paper and plastic -- total bullshit.

5 Oh and the Bullshit show on hair was just a way for them to show an up close shot of pooter on Showtime.

K

6 If recycling were economically justifiable, people would pay you to do it.

LEMMA: The recyclability of X
If there does not exist a bum with a shopping cart full of X, X is not recyclable.

7 I remember reading that there was an old open-pit coal mine in Germany which they've been using to store "recycled" plastic bottles, because no one wants them.

8 Note to above: this does not include crazy bums, just yer average winos. Crazy bums will fill their shopping carts with anything and everything, and cannot be included.

9 Bullshit is fucking awesome. I mean, it's poorly researched and they do a crap job making their arguments, but I already agree with most of their points anyway. Lots of gratuitous T&A, and Penn's smug mug. Great show.

10 Meh, my mother/father-in-laws recycle our newspapers. They use it to line their cats' litter boxes. Unfortunately, the cats would prefer to hold it than have to even look at our local newspaper. (Roanoke Times, it is a pitiful paper, and to the left of the NYT.)

11 I've had a hard time taking "Bullshit" seriously since the Immigration episode which pretty much amounted to nothing but name calling.  

12 Those items that make sense economically to recycle today will by the law of supply and demand be plucked from the waste stream (alluminum was even before the recycling movement). In the future when other items in the waste stream have value these landfills will become mines. We will have consolidated stuff to a fairly small footprint of land over time and an efficient mining operation can take over when the price is right. And by price I mean efficency in peoples time and the energy to run the equipment/proccesing.

13

Our city a while back went from picking up both recycle and garbage every week, to picking recycle and garbage on alternate weeks -- and they didn't raise the price!  Half the service at the same price means double the cost to me, by golly. 

Anyways, I started recycling big time then.  I know handling the recycle items them more, so anything that can possibly be recycled gets 'recycled' at my house.  It all ends up in the same landfill out of state anyway, but who cares.  I also let my neighbors put their extra garbage in my mostly empty garbage bin.

I also compost and raise worms.  Worms and compost are HUGE producers of carbon dioxide.  Life is good.

14

15 It got so bad in Cleveland, a few years ago, that the City had to pass a law making taking recycables a crime.  All to keep "street people" from making a buck taking the aluminum out of the waste stream, and profiting from it.

16 Recycling metals always makes sense, even when it doesn't seem cost effective. Why? Because we have damn few local sources for metals anymore which means we have to pay somebody somewhere, who most likely hates us, to get them. That's bad national security. Metals are not renewable.
Everything else should be burned to make electricity or composted if it rots.
Burning is recycling. So is composting, which is really all a landfill is, one big friggin compost heap.

17 I made a decent amount of money recycling the soda cans and water bottles used by my coworkers. It's amazing how many (diet) sodas people (supposedly dieting) will drink a day. I haven't decided what to do with the money yet. Granted, it's not a lot, but it ain't chump change neither.

Plus it's nice to get the CRV back.

18 So what this really boils down to is this.
Socialism's goal is to get people to work as hard as possible to make the Govt rich.

Capitalism's goal is to get people to produce enough to pay for the lifestyle they are willing to work for. (some people only need enough wealth to feed their fishing habit others have more expensive tastes)

I know the system I want.

19 Popular Mechanics had an article last month about recycling.  Some stuff is worth it, others not so much.

20 part 2 has been removed.

21 All 3 parts still work for me.

22 yeah it's back now... strange...

23
Kaptian Amerika
I clicked on your nick and looked at the linked site that is one awesome explanation of what is wrong with gun legislation. Thanks.

24

I recycle cans/plastic when I can get a return on the money they made me spend to buy the cans/plastic.

Commies.

However, I don't use the recycle bin that was freely provided for curb pickup.

And, now...I have two of them.

What a hellhole.

It's name is Oregon.

25 Just think of all the walking paths we could provide if we recycled all the recycling bins in the US. Also how much energy would have been saved if they were never made and delivered.

26

My college (Middlebury, in Vermont...gag) put TWO recycling bins and one trash bin in each dorm room.  They then sorted all of the trash to make sure that no recyclables were being wasted.  Result???

Nobody effing recycled, because somebody at the other end was going to sort it all anyway.  Even if you "make" us recycle, people are going to do as little as possible anyway.  I wonder how much of my tuition was wasted on sorting garbage.

27 I don't recycle because I refuse to do something the sanitation department should be doing for me. If they want to sort the garbage, let them do it themselves. Or give inmates in the state prisons something else to do besides running their gang enterprises and lifting weights.

28 Recycling makes sense in China. They have a secondary industry at the trash heaps paying people to pick metals out of the garbage.

I recycle my aluminum cans. At 75 cents per pound (but prices are falling) it made great sense this summer. Now I'm down to 40 cents a pound and my cans are worth about $4 per month.

God I love beer.

29 Recycling without govt coercion is a double edged sword for the environmentalist. The times at which recycling is highest is when production is highest which is also when energy usage also highest. Good for the humans and bad for their religion. (I don't buy their crap so I won't say bad for the earth)

30 You should recycle aluminum cans by taking them down to the salvage yard yourself, then using the money to buy more beer.

OK, you can make fun of me if you want, but how does this work? I don't even know where the salvage yard by me is.
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OK, so we have Penn & Teller saying all this stuff, and then people in responses saying it's poorly researched. So who does a regular person believe and how do they know to believe it?
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I don't feel good re-cycling. I hate sorting through the shit, it takes up a lot of space on my deck, I have to haul the crap to the recycling center and last week I stepped in a large pile of water disguised by a layer of slush and wondered if I'd have fucking frostbite by the time I finished throwing it all in the seperate giant metal bins.
Although I suppose I could say I do enjoy the sound the glass bottles make when I toss 'em into the metal thingies. The level of pleasure is higher the more empty the giant bin is.
So why do I do it? Probably because I have been brainwashed.
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And that bitch in the middle (?) vid. That kind of shit ticks me off. Would she say to low SES parents, "You're lazy because you don't read to your kid"? No, of course she wouldn't, and rightly so. And for the same reason she shouldn't be presuming to pass judgment on people who don't re-cycle--she doesn't have a damn clue about their realities and what it takes for them to be able to do everything they need to do every day. If you want to support re-cycling, then support people by helping them find ways to do it instead of talking trash about them you stupid bitch.
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Just some random thoughts.

31 I don't recycle because I refuse to do something the sanitation department should be doing for me. If they want to sort the garbage, let them do it themselves.

Do most sanitation departments sort all the stuff?

32 Fireweed
Yes most big city waste streams run through a separation operation even though they ask us to do the separation at the curb. This is done as a mixture of subsidized/mandated percentages that are allowed by the govt. in the waste stream to the dump and they can make money off the steel and aluminum that is still put in the normal waste stream. Recycling compliance/efficiency is still less than 50% overall.

33 "Do most sanitation departments sort all the stuff?"

No.  It goes from your curb straight into the back of the garbage truck, then straight into the landfill.  In a lot of places that have recycling bins (and some cities actually require you to use) , they quietly dump the "Recyclable" material straight into the same land fills because it costs too damn much to bother with.

34 Andy - this happens at my office. We're told over and over to recycle paper and then the cleaning ladies come in and put everything in the same trash bag and take it out to the dumpster.

I live in a small apartment building and recycling is mandatorty. The city says they'll fine owners if more than 10% of recycleables are found in the regular trash (yeah, like they can or would check - haven't seen a garbage man do it once). The result is our poor landlady (not the building owner) ends up going through the trash bags in the damn dumpster to ensure tennants are recycling. Gross.

35 I throw all my cardboard in my 10mpg Suburban and cart it off to the local recycling center every so often, just because that's easier than standing around for two hours cutting and stomping it into a form that the curbside guys will pick up.

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37

Well Vinnie if your county is like mine recycling is a big scam anyway. The EPA really has nothing to do with it. The major push by the recycling crowd has always been the so-called shortage of landfill space. They lost out on the argument of ground water pollution once the real investigations took place and they also lose every time someone investigates the so-called energy saving scam for recycling. In fact, the only things that are economically justifiable and energy justifiable for recycling are aluminum and scrap metal. Both of those were almost at saturation for recycling BEFORE the eco-idiots got involved.

 

But as I said, the EPA really has little to do with so-called forced recycling. It is the tax and spend socialists who are pushing this bullshit. What happens is the local government latch on to some group of “concern” citizen trolls who are pushing it as a “green” issue because they are stupid. The local gov then says “citizens demand it” and “something must be done for the kids”. Poof, recycling centers pop up for all your trash which must now be separated. All kinds of taxes and fees are  implemented to pay for said recycling (but none of the taxes that supported the past waste elimination are removed).

 

And “poof”; the county or city now has a new cash cow that can be milked as well as a new “jobs” program for all those nieces and nephews who are hard hit in the employment market.

 

Oh, what will happen here is another new tax will occur because "recycling" has become more expensive.

38

I'm not against having the common man recycling commodity raw materials, en-masse, but I shall not waste a second of my valuable time coperating with them.

I only recycle Computers, Big-box appliances, Bikes, Cars,  and Motorcycles.  Its FAR better I recycle the above hi-tech items than for me to recycle a million bottles or cans -  There are billions of people re-cycling commodity refuse, but very few people who can properly re-cycle modern technology items.  Thats why I dont recycle their items.

The loss of man-years when a 5 year old PC hits the dumpster (and is crushed as metal scrap) because of a clogged fan or loose SIMM is a technological travesty! 

The amount of man-years lost far overshines pedestrian recycling.

I have saved TONs of electro-optical-mechanical goodies! It would be a folly for me to waste even 10 seconds of my valuable time putting an empty 1gram aluminum can into a special container, then another 2 minutes to take and retrieve it from the curb - I could have fixed another "dead" computer by now!!!

39 I'm not a hippie if I recycle bullshit pick up lines, am I?

40
A buddy of mine followed a Muncie (Indiana) recycling truck around for a while once. After it made a bunch of pick ups it drove to the landfill.

Off Topic -- Did you know that the REPUBLICANS stopped regulations that would've reformed Freddie Mac?

It's breaking news from the Associated Press. Read it here.

It's a new all-time low for AP when it comes to one-sided reporting. It looks like Limbaugh is really getting under their skin.

41

Actually, P&T did reference a very well documented bit of work - just not at the end of that show, but in a later interview.

The book is "Rubbish - The Archaeology of Garbage".  An excellent scientific work, and in short, "recycling" (in quotes bc it isn't) is bunk...

 

J

42 Environmentalism is the religion of the left. Recycling is one of its pointless rituals. And it is environmentalism, not Christianity, that is the state religion being forced upon citizens by its adherents.

43 I recycle aluminum cans and newspapers, because they pay you for the cans and my son has a paper route.  It's currently the best way for me to deal with the volume of newspapers he generates.

The rest?  Burn, baby, burn. 

44

LONDON – British police say they have arrested more than two dozen environmental protesters who broke into a secure area of Stansted Airport near London.

The protest group says its activists occupied a runway that had been undergoing maintenance work.

The group calls itself Plane Stupid and says the protest before dawn on Monday was meant to criticize the government's decision to allow the expansion of Stansted Airport. It says aviation is the fastest growing source of carbon emissions.

45 We don't need to give up on recycling. We can just store the materials in a centrally located fascility like a hole in the land which we can fill up with the stuff until it becomes marketable. Call it a temporally extended recycling pit. 

46 Recycling is mandatory at my office, and whenever the subject comes up, management concedes that we don't make enough money to pay the cost of collection, sorting, and transportation. Recycling supporters say that we do it because "it's the right thing to do." Sounds like a religion to me, which is why discussing it with a devotee is always so fruitless. These are the people in the office that spent the last 8 years bitching about the "religious right"

47

Oh, what a laugh. My little town just started recycling last month. Ha!

Not that it's curbside service. There's just a place you can take stuff.

I could deal fine with throwing stuff in two trash cans, but the instructions I've had in other locations has been to rinse out every container, remove the labels, etc. Are you freaking kidding me?

48 this is crossposted from Ace's open blog thread.


Nominally Republican Gwinnett County Commissioners welcome our new Greenie  Overlords , Initiate Glorious People's Garbage Directorate:

Entire companies shut down, jobs lost,  replaced with county mandated service.
Also 500.00 dollar fee for not recycling



Here is the full RedState article
RINOs Are Real: Meet Charles Bannister and the Gwinnett County Board of Commissioners

Posted by Erick Erickson (Profile)

Friday, December 5th at 3:22PM EST
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Meet Charles Banister. He is the Chairman of the Gwinnett County Board of Commissioners in Gwinnett County, Georgia.

Ostensibly, Charles Bannister and the bulk of Gwinnett County is Republican.

Ostensibly.

From the AJC:

    While neighboring counties encourage recycling, Gwinnett County’s new solid waste management ordinance puts teeth into it. The ordinance provides for a civil fine of $500 for violations, which includes those who fail to “source separate residential recovered materials.”

    Mandatory recycling is not common in metro Atlanta, but Gwinnett County Commission Chairman Charles Bannister said the move is in line with a state policy that local governments develop plans to reduce solid waste by 25 percent.

Ladies and gentlemen, a Republican County Commission Chairman in a Republican county in a Republican state is making it a crime to not recycle.

The kicker, of course, is that the county is also going to start putting the cost of garbage collection in property tax bills so residents won’t be able to keep track of the costs.

Let’s compare that to the Republican leaning county of Cobb, which is just west of Gwinnett. There, a private recycler is required to offer recycling services, but it is not mandatory.

In Democrat DeKalb County, recycling is voluntary with a $30.00 start-up fee for recycling containers.

In Democrat Fulton County, recycling must be offered by private haulers, but it is not mandatory.

In Gwinnett County? You get fined $500.00. And that was a Republican brain child.

You can reach Charles Bannister at 770.822.7010 or at Charles.Bannister@gwinnettcounty.com You might want to remind him what it means to be a Republican.

49 For years we have been able to shop for garbage services from multiple providers. Gwinnett just decided to arbitrarily cancel the private contracts between citizens and providers and enforce their own socialized garbage pick up.
No warning, No referendum, No communication.
The worst part of this is not just the recycling gestapo bullshit.
One old guy has 14 employees. He has been running his successful garbage company in Gwinnett for over 20 years. His American dream is done.

So in a slowed economy with job losses moving up, Gwinnett REPUBLICAN Commissioners decided to make a socialist power grab and force every private company out of business or out of the county.

Gwinnett County Commissioners have refused to answer emails or phone calls and have hidden behind the skirts of a privately owned organization called "Gwinnett Clean and Beautiful". All calls are referred to these greenie hippies who can't /won't answer  ANY specifics about the "plan".

Our " Republican" Commissioners are pulling this shit when many people are struggling with job losses and all the fallout from having socialist in the White House, and don't have time to screw around with defending our damn GARBAGE from our ELECTED OFFICIALS.

I live in Gwinnett. The conservative citizens are going berserk over this. It has been on Drudge and Redstate for 3 days so we are getting the word out.

I found out about it when the NON GOVT organization that the Commissioners are hiding behind " Gwinnett Clean and Beautiful" sent me a letter advising me that they are TERMINATING my current contract with a private collection service and that I have to pay the cancellation fee. I went ballistic , started researching and contacting folks and found out it is true.

We currently have a strong citizens group that is getting larger by the day. What we really need is for people to email the commissioners about this fiasco. They are on were on a retreat this weekend and we have been told that their emails are forwarded to their Blackberries. ..chirpbuzzchirpbuzz..   heh.

50

While we don't recylce in town, they do on the Air Force Base. We were on base for something a couple months ago and in an office there. My daughter saw a recycling bin and got all excited. "Look, it's a real one, just like on TV!"

I'm going to have trouble adjusting to the real world whenever we move. Recycling, people yammering about not using "too much" water, etc.

51 My BFF recycles everything she can, composts and she burns all her paper in her fireplace to help heat her house.  Trust me, it's not (just) because she's an enormous Commie but it's because she pays by bag at her local dump.  So it's more economically viable for her to recycle.  She knows damn well that it's a scam but she's more than happy to make her local government pay the cost.  She longs to be able to dump everything at the curb and have someone pick it up.

As far as the burn barrel thing, well, that's great until burn barrels get outlawed due to aesthetic reasons.  I mean, when the city folk move to the woods for the scenery, you can't have them stump toothed yokels continue to burn shit.  Hell, in my mom's neighborhood down South, she can't even hang a laundry line outside.  This really ticks her off, she know has to run the dryer when there's a perfectly fine source of energy to dry the clothes right outside the window.

52

MamaAJ

 

It sounds like ya’ll have it easy. We here in a small southern town/county (supposedly conservative) must:

 

1. Separate all garbage into all of about 15 different categories. (3 different colored glass, 3 different plastic, aluminum, steel, copper, and general scrap metal, newspapers, magazines, cardboard)

2. Place food/garbage in special bags sold by the county. These bags are of lightweight inferior grade plastic such that one must first place your garage in a commercial good bag before placing it in the county bag.

3. Rinse clean all containers and discard the lids with “garbage”.

4. Haul the trash to the “recycle center” and place the different items in the special item containers and the garbage in a separate compactor container.

5. Pay a special recycling/waste disposal fee on our property tax every year in addition to all the taxes we paid for waste disposal before recycling.

53

I'm going to have trouble adjusting to the real world whenever we move. Recycling, people yammering about not using "too much" water, etc.

I shall not use more then what falls from the sky.

54

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2008 08:56 AM (q8aAJ)

See, this is why they have "cannals", "forest preserves", and "dumpsters behind Wallmart".

55 Also, car windows.

56 I live in Massachusetts and we have a 5 cent deposit on bottles and cans.  It's a joke.  NOBODY, and I NOBODY, redeems them.  I tried it when I first moved here almost 5 years ago and I gave up because it was such a pain in the ass.  I have tried giving them away and nobody wants them.  I once walked up to a bum standing outside a convenience store and asked HIM if he wanted 10 trash bags full of beer cans and he said no.  Even bums can't be bothered.  Once, and only once, was I able to give them away.  I happened to come across a Boy Scout can drive so I stopped and told one of the guys there that if they knew anyone with a pick-up they could come to my house and collect about 40 trash bags full of beer cans I had accumulated in my back yard.  It took him 6 trips. 

There are machines for redemption all over my town and you almost never see anyone using them.  Why?  Because they don't fucking work half the time.  The last time I tried using one it took me more than 35 minutes to get it to accept about $2.35 worth of cans.  I didn't even get through half a trash bag before I got so frustrated I gave up. 

A few weeks ago I paid a trash removal company to come out here and clean up my yard.  They took about 10 bags of cans.  Right now I'm back up to 8 bags.  If anyone lives anywhere near Clinton MA and wants them email me at LCAMP36905@COMCAST.NET. 

57

Good grief, Vic. Here (on the Texas Mexico border) we have the best recylcing program: anything you put out on the curb the night before trash night will be picked up by someone and fixed/cleaned/used as is by someone who needs it. We haven't had to go to the dump for stuff the garbage trucks won't take because someone always takes it.

Entropy, we have had very little rainfall for a while, but floods upriver had the lake so full they had to let some water out (and flood some people's homes). So we're using the water that didn't fall on us, but came along anyway...close enough!

58 In the early 90's, the New York Times and Boston Globe both had in depth articles about recycling.

The funny thing is: they came to the conclusion that recycling was worthless, a net drain on energy and resources. Even stuff like aluminum can recycling was at best a break even proposition and most of the time a net loss in energy to making it from ore.

They said it less bluntly than that, but the conclusion was the same: the only reason to recycle is to feel good about something that does nothing.

Also, strangely enough, most of the recycling businesses in recycling mandated areas were run by cronies and family of the local politicians. Imagine that.

59

I live in Massachusetts and we have a 5 cent deposit on bottles and cans.  It's a joke.  NOBODY, and I NOBODY, redeems them.

Au contrarire.

I live in Boston and work out of my home and as I type, the can patrol is at work outside my window.  We have trash pick up twice a week, trash is left in the alleys in the Back Bay.  There is an entire culture of people who rummage through the trash twice a week for cans and bottles, some are even organized as a small business with established routes.  They come equipped with shopping carts, wagons, even bicycles with modified saddles bags to hold all the cans and bottles.  I shit you not.

We have two choices, seperate the returnables in seperate bags or let them the can patrol rip open garbage bags in search of the booty.  Its a pain in the ass to seperate eveything but it beats picking up the garbage after the onslaught.

60

I live off the shore of the largest bodies of fresh water on the fricken planet, and I can't buy anything but a low-flow toilet because we have to conserve water.

FROM  WHAT?! Do the old fashioned toilets shoot it into space?

61 Say what you will about recycling, it does keep toxic chemicals such as phtalates out of the groundwater, which keeps men's testicles functioning. You know, you might want to actually hear to the other side once in a while. Chances are pretty low you are right all of the time. Of course, they never want to hear what you have to say, and so we live in a bad situation.

62 "60 Entropy I live off the shore of the largest bodies of fresh water on the fricken planet, and I can't buy anything but a low-flow toilet because we have to conserve water. FROM WHAT?!"

It's not just water, it's treated water that you are conserving. The water treatment plant that you are getting your tap water from does not have unlimited capacity. I suppose you could use your lake water if you want.

63

I live in Massachusetts and we have a 5 cent deposit on bottles and cans.  It's a joke.  NOBODY, and I NOBODY, redeems them.

I see inflation hasn't really hit the deposit business just like it hasn't hit the stripper business.  I remember collecting bottles as a kid and getting about the same return.  

As one comedian pondered inflation and noted that you still put a dollar into a strippers g-string, he wondered what they did in the old days.  Put quaters in a tip jar?  

64

"Say what you will about recycling, it does keep toxic chemicals such as phtalates out of the groundwater, which keeps men's testicles functioning"

 

Heh.  That's funny.  No, really, it's screaming f*ing hilarious.  OMGROTFLOL territory. 

Oh - you're serious?  Now that's even funnier. Next time you want to raise a bogey man, at least spell it correctly...

 

J

65

The water treatment plant that you are getting your tap water from does not have unlimited capacity.

So upgrade capacity...

66 Do the old fashioned toilets shoot it into space?

Okay, I want to see that. 

67

Attention AOS Shoppers, concern troll at aisle 61.

 

Attention aisle 61, you are full of shit and a liar. A properly constructed and run landfill puts NOTHING in the ground water and recycling has NOTHING to do with it. As everyone here has said, recycling of everything but metals is a scam advocated by eco-idiots who have the scientific knowledge of a creosote post and politicians interested in only one thing, getting reelected and skimming money from the taxpayers.

68 Jaynie59 @56..

I lived in Michigan for 10 years and they had a .10 cent deposit on any fizzy drink (beer, pop)..  after a while, it would add up..   it also got very annoying if you didn't take the bottles back after a while..   

when we moved to Virginia.. the city has a couple of bins set up for cardboard..  it was very nice to get rid of the empty boxes after unpacking everything..

Recycling here is like a second garbage day.. no need to separate the cans from newspaper..  through everything in the bin and set it out on Friday..

they ask to have the cans and jars rinsed clean.. but they never check during pick-up.. through it all in the truck and move on as soon as they can..  Schedule to keep and all that.

In cities that are going to make it mandatory soon their will be a recycling secret police who will peek in at night at your garbage to make sure your quota is being kept..

69

In cities that are going to make it mandatory soon their will be a recycling secret police who will peek in at night at your garbage to make sure your quota is being kept..

Ahh, suburbs. Close enough to get the idiot regulations to catch on, far enough to stash live raccoons in your trash bins...

70 "I live in Boston...
Posted by: JackStraw at December 08, 2008 09:18 AM (VW9/y)"

Good for Boston.  Live in Clinton and not only do we not have any curb side recycling here, it costs me $2.50 for every trash bag I put out for the town to pick up.  That's right.  With all the taxes I pay to live in this dump of a town, I still have to buy stickers that cost $2.50 and put them on every trash bag.

Clinton is not that far from Boston.  Give them my email address.  I'm dying to find SOMEBODY in Massachusetts who redeems this crap. 

71

Aluminum cans:

 

Aluminum cans have always been the thing that was worth recycling and they are still the thing worth recycling (besides copper etc).   I do not turn that in to the county. The local fire station collects those and hauls them to a real aluminum recycler and sells them with the money going to a Shriner’s children burn center.

 

As for glass pop bottles when I was a kid you could get 2 cents each for them and everyone took them. As the price escalated to 25 cents deposit people quit buying the glass bottles and started with the cans and then plastic and NOBODY would take the glass bottles back.

72 I married one who prays to this religion.  She has her good points, have had record low electricity bills since living with her, but I already know telling her to watch this Penn & Teller even though she likes them will just make her angry.  Sorta like what happens when you tell a religious person (pick a religion) that their belief system is bullshit.

73

Uhh, I wouldn't open that lid if I were you.

He may be a fat fuck, but Senَr Juan Sanchez Villa-Lobos Ramirez is viscious when cornered...

74 I loved working construction..  at the end of the day, I could collect all the scrap wire and pipe I could find  (stuff on the ground or in the trash.. no out of the walls)  and take it in at the end of the week to the scrap yard for cash..

on a good week, it would be about 20 to 30 bucks..

and that's how I turned copper into beer.

75 If my kids see me throw ONE GODDAMN PIECE OF PAPER in the trash, they will pull it out of the trash and put it in the recycle bin. I've taken to purposefully throwing recyclables into the trash - right in front of them - just to make them trash-dive to retrieve it.

Here in the 'burbs of Ft. Worth, we have city-issued recycling bins and they pick them up once a week (trash is twice a week), no sorting glass from soda cans or anything, so it's habit, mostly, for me. However, I've had a two-week cold from hell, and every damn thing is getting thrown into the trash. I just don't give a damn right now. It amuses me to imagine how quickly my kids' heads would explode if they saw me throwing away not only paper, but plastic water bottles and such, too. Their (public school) teachers have them trained thoroughly.

76 One more thing about the crying indian..

I did a lot of work in the 90's on the Navajo and Hopi indian reservation in Arizona..

there is tons of shit littered on the sides of the highways through there.   no matter what obscure road I went down there was always a fast food bag and wrapper and a pop bottle or beer can.. 

77

I loved working construction..  at the end of the day, I could collect all the scrap wire and pipe I could find  (stuff on the ground or in the trash.. no out of the walls)  and take it in at the end of the week to the scrap yard for cash

 

You would have been hauled off to jail if you did that at the site I worked when we had construction. We had special bins for scrap copper and steel because their value was so high.

 

Hell, this past summer scrap copper got so high that thieves climbed on top of the local animal shelter and ripped the cooling coils out of the air conditioners to sell for scrap. Poor cats and dogs had a tough time because there was no money in the budget to replace those units until a charity drive was organized.

78

there is tons of shit littered on the sides of the highways through there.   no matter what obscure road I went down there was always a fast food bag and wrapper and a pop bottle or beer can.. 

That's because the indigenous peoples haven't built up a genetic immunity to highly addictive and destructive Whopper Jr's like we have.

79 So.. would the red recycle bin (for animal waste, carcasses)  be okay for dismembered hobos? 

(7:40 into the first clip ) 

80 JackStraw,

So asshole recycling thieves are tossing garbage around your alley? How about a baseball bat and a can of mace?

81 @80--

I was wondering if he could rig up some... device in the trash cans. Nothing lethal, but very, very unpleasant.

Live skunks would do, in fact.

82 Jaynie59, sounds like what your town needs is more illegal aliens!  I live in LA, where we have curbside recycling.  Our house (a duplex) has 2 regular trash bins, one big-ass recycling bin and one bin for "green waste" (lawn clippings and stuff).  Between me and my landlord, we pay $75/mo (plus huge city taxes) for the once-weekly pickups.  The revenue from the recycled materials was supposed to offset the cost of recycling.  However, we have hordes of hispanic people who cruise the neighborhoods and steal all the glass and cans out of the recycle bins.  Some of them use stolen shopping carts for the purpose, most of them drive their own vehicles.  The city does nothing to stop this and it's been annoying the crap out of me for years.

Fuck it, after reading this thread, from now on, I am just tossing everything into the garbage and they can root through rotting food and used cat litter if they want the stuff.

83

So asshole recycling thieves are tossing garbage around your alley? How about a baseball bat and a can of mace?

No can do.  Remember, this is Massachusetts and the "Recycling Engineers" are practically a protected species.  I'm the one who would end up in jail.

84

Hahaha, the crying Indian commercial. That was a real fraud. Everything about it was a fraud including the damn Indian who was 2^nd generation Italian.

 

Not only was he a fraud, but using the native Americans as an example of environmentally conscience group is a big fraud as well.

 

The pre-European Indian groups were nomadic in nature and maintained a large open garbage pit down-wind from their camp. All their trash and leavings were dumped in this open cesspool and left. When it got to be too much to bear they just picked up and moved to a different location and did the same thing.

The only thing that was different was that their population was a lot lower so it took longer to make a really big mess.

85 The Landfill part is true..  a couple of  subdivisions in Lansing, MI are built on old landfills..  even a ski hill is a hill of covered garbage..  (Near Wixom, MI..) 

86

She has her good points, have had record low electricity bills since living with her

We have lots of water, but our energy costs are high. I'm turning into my mother and telling everyone to put on a sweater and walk away from the thermostat. Our electric bill was about $180 lower last month when we didn't have to use the air or heat more than twice. Wear sweaters for a couple months this winter and we can add insulation to the attic before next summer!

87

I have never seen so much crap as along the side of the road on the Navajo reservation in Utah, NM and Az.  The roads are littered with bottles, cans, paper and plastic bags and, most especially, disposable diapers, described as the national flower of the Navajo tribe.  Where the weeds have been cut or burned, it looks like a liquor store puked up its contents.

88 which keeps men's testicles functioning.

Yes, the typical recycle-freak is well-known for his high testosterone level.

Try eating a steak once in a while and cut back on that phytoestrogen-laden soy crap.

89

 even a ski hill is a hill of covered garbage..  (Near Wixom, MI..) 

Ahh, the excellent skiing of the midwest.

You grab a freakin rope and it drags you up a landfill, which you proceed to ski down for about 5 seconds (or 1/10th of the time it took you to get dragged up the damn thing with a rope).

90

Wear sweaters for a couple months this winter and we can add insulation to the attic before next summer!

What is this, 1460?!?

My house is 85 in the winter and 62 in the summer.

91

I'm turning into my mother and telling everyone to put on a sweater and walk away from the thermostat.

 

Unfortunately I don’t get to do that here. My wife had her thyroid removed and she can not take any kind of cool temperatures. I sit here in the winter with the thermostat set to maintain 72°F and she claims to be cold while I sweat in a T-shirt. We used 480 KW last week, but every night but one was below freezing and only one day saw temperature climb above the 50s. And this is in SC. Where is my globull warming that this EPA tax on cow farts is supposed to offset?

92 My house is 85 in the winter and 62 in the summer.

85?  Wow.  Anything above 72 in our house and I'm sweating.

93

I live in New Hampshire, each town does their own thing for trash.

Where I live now, you pay 1.65 for each blue town trash bag you put out once a week.  You can recycle to lower your need for the bags...your recyclables are your only "free" trash removal.

If you don't do it correctly they attach a trash ticket to the side of your recyclable container that should be used to attach the tile on the space shuttle, they never come off.

I like cheaper trash fees, so I recycle.  I think it is a scam, they really toss most of it. I am OK with their hypocrisy, and it keeps them busy.

94 And for the record: we normally keep our thermostat at 65-67.  My older daughter has antifreeze in her blood, so if it gets too warm, she strips down to her diaper.

95 My thermostat is set to 67 in the winter (programmable, and I'd lower it further than that at night but for the kids), 78 in the summer.

I freeze all f'ing winter, sweater or no. Oh, well.

96 We have a decent 36 hole golf layout in Houston built on a landfill.  I think its the highest elevation in the city and has a great view of the astrodome and reliant park.  The dogleg left around the pile of old washers and dryers is a tough hole.  

97

85?  Wow.  Anything above 72 in our house and I'm sweating.

Well when it gets too toasty I open the window.

 

(No I'm not joking).

 

 

But I also like to drive around with my heat/air blasted and my window open. I find in the winter, with the heat on max, I can keep the window open about 2-4 inches. In the summer, I can open the window all the way. If I'm cruising on the highway, both windows and the sun-roof/t-tops.

98 Well when it gets too toasty I open the window.

Dude. 

I once turned my in-laws' house into a sauna.  They heat their home with wood and, in an attempt to be helpful, I loaded about half a dozen pieces into the stove one evening. 

A few hours later, the heat was so suffocating we were opening doors, windows, anything to cool the place down.

I'm not allowed to touch the woodstove anymore.

99 Entropy @ 59..

it's a happening place during the winter..

that's my new business plan.. 


buy some acreage,  turn it into a landfill and charge people to dump their trash there..    then when it's all filled, turn it into a  gated community with a 9 hole golf course..  

100 Entropy @ 89

101

Slu, all 3 of my kids are like that. The looks I'd get when I didn't have them bundled up like other people did with their babies...

I used to get cold all the time, but I've developed lots of insulation over the years.

102

I think everyone is missing “entropy’s” point. Since he is a measure of the randomness of the universe, he can use as much energy as we desires. By increasing the entropy of the universe we assure hat the universe continues to expand and live.

 

If we adhered to all of the eco-idiot recommendations the entropy of the universe would begin to decrease until it reached zero and all life would cease.

103 Me and the guy next door (he has the only double-wide in the park) were in the copper recycling business for awhile, selling only slightly corroded lengths of pipe which we snipped into convenient lengths whilst working in dark basements, but copper prices seem to be dropping so we are now in the other end of the gold recycling business. Just put all your unwanted gold, silver & platinum in a box and mail it to Fred, c/o Billy Bob's Diner in Skiatook, OK and we'll mail you back a personal check for what it's worth the VERY NEXT DAY!!

104 Good old Norm Steenstra.  About the only thing the guy's good at is whining to the press about how many environmental problems there are in West Virginia.  I'm glad that Kanawha County has found a job for him as the garbage man-in-chief.  It never ceases to amaze me how someone who knows so little about so much gets instant credibility with the media by calling himself an enviromentalist.

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yeah, I loved it... showing that there is no resonable definition of "assault weapons". Penn & Teller have a great Bullshit Episode on Gun Control.

106 I recycle freakin' nothing!!  I get such shitty looks from people at parties when I tell them that the recycle bin is the same as the trash can.  My standard line is "If it's that important to separate that crap, someone would do it." 

I think that our local trash pickup is supposed to limit the amount of trash bags they take from my house but a good tip every Christmas ensures that they take everything.  They do this right after drinking the beer that my neighbor across the street leaves out every morning.

107 Ya want the truth? YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
Okay, you prolly can but who cares?
DO I recycle? No, actually, I don't, but because my county, here in lovely bucolic
Western North Carolina allow you to pack in one bag of trash for one bag of recyclables, no charge. So I separate the cardboard, which they sell, at a small profit, the metal and the other crap. The 'other crap' goes into unsorted bins and goes away, probably to another landfill. The scrap and cardboard are sold to the folks who recycle metals and who make cardboard boxes for shipping stuff.
They like the cardboard since it is easy to rework and make useful again. The other crap? Glass? Sure I toss it into the 'other crap' bin and it shatters and I get a laugh out of it. But factually I just do this because the city eats my trash bill and I live so far out no one picks up trash in my neck of the woods.
Win/Win. I drop my crap at the city's expense, I do it on the ride from work, without a detour actually, and haven't paid for  trash removal since 2003. I like Corona beer and it's a challenge to get those thick ass bottles to bust in the bins, but I do my best.
Am I an eco-freak? Hell,no, I also have a real steel burn barrel in my side yard and let her rip whenever there's something I'm unwilling to hall.
You realize how much joy I get from burning a full sized mattress or burning an old La-Z-Boy recliner down to the springs?
I even got paid for the scrap value of the spring steel.
Life is good.
And to the eco-freaks: jammit you turds, I'm using your system against you and putting  the money saved toward beer and ammunition.
Bite me.

108 Can you tell I'm a well-tended but full-fledged Hillbilly Knuckeldragger?
Molon Labe, you eco-turds out there. Recycle your lips around my ass.

109 Just saying...

110 oops, knuckle, not knuckel. My bad. Missed that day of English.

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If you're ever in Long Island, New York check out the landfill-made-park in Freeport.  Can't remember the actual name - named after some politician - but we call it Mt. Trashmore.  They'll drive you around it in golf carts and you can see Manhattan from up there.  Also, don't miss the terrapin nesting area.  It's awesome...they need t-shirts.

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It is amazing that some people are so short sited, I am not the best at recycling....but to tell anyone to hoard anything is just shy of mental instability. But then when I read that you would club baby harp seals, maybe I should take the time and money that I do have and come club some sense into you.

Sad that there are so many uneducated conservatives that write this garbage, but then we had W as a president and Cheney as the VP and thats what they are I think that speaks for itself......so your pathetic attempt to use to Las Vegas half wit comedians as a justification for your attitude about  recycling is not unexpected.

It appears that ignorance is bliss for some people who call themselves conservatives in the name of being claimed by someone or some group. Were you left out of the "popular" group in high school and making up for it now....

LOL   Pathetic that is what describes you and your illogical thought processes.  

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