1 I wonder if the anti-prop 8 crowd appreciates just how much damage they're doing to their cause by acting like a bunch of fascistic, spoiled, children?

2
facts don't matter, the reality of anything is what some activist says it is

3 Hey, you can't always trust reality to come to the right conclusion.

4

Support for Proposition 8 increases with age (43%) for ages 18–34; 50% for ages 35–54, yes; 56% for ages 55 and older) and declines with income.

If I were gay those stats right there would kinda bug me, as it appears that we may have reached peak tolerance levels. And the decline in income is almost a certainty in Obamma's America.

5 Good thing none of them have figured out that I'm against gay marriage, eh?

6 Because, you know, Christians and Republicans run California..

7 I don't have to tolerate what two people do in the bedroom if they insist on shoving it in the face of me and my children with the objective of some kind of acceptance as normal.   Do it behind closed doors and I could care less.  Tell my 10 year old that Jimmy has two daddies who like to like to use each others alimentary canals in dangerous fashion that's it's OK and normal?  Not a fucking chance.

8 Good thing none of them have figured out that I'm against gay marriage, eh?

Posted by: Barack Obama at December 04, 2008 01:33 PM (Tha0W)

That is always a fun thing isn't it.  You know I'm sure they have worked up a response to that.  Probably along the lines of "he doesn't really mean that he just says that to get elected, because of all the stupid people out there."

I wonder if the thought had ever crossed their mind that the stuff he has said that they do like could possibly have been bull shitting so they would elect him.  Probably not.

9 6 Because, you know, Christians and Republicans run California.

*snort!*

10 If only we had that kind of voting unity...this would be a MUCH different country.

11 <i>I wonder if the thought had ever crossed their mind that the stuff he has said that they do like could possibly have been bull shitting so they would elect him.  Probably not.</i>

I have repeatedly assured the American people that Barack Obama is just not the kind of a guy who would do the old "bait and switch."  No sir!  You can tell by the fact that I still have my $3000 over and under right here. 

12

Tell my 10 year old that Jimmy has two daddies who like to like to use each others alimentary canals in dangerous fashion that's it's OK and normal?  Not a fucking chance.

Sadly, that's already happening. It would be judgemental to point out that buttsex is inherently unsafe.

13 I still think more people meant to vote for Prop 8 but hit no because of the way it was worded on the ballot.

14 "At no point in time, before or after the election, did we have a majority of Californians saying they supported gay marriage," Baldassare said. "My takeaway from this is that until there is a major shift in public opinion one way or another, it's going to be another issue where voters are deeply divided."

First of all why do they keep doing polls on this anyway? We had had the most definitive poll imaginable, an election, and every single time....EVERY SINGLE TIME......voters have rejected calling the union of anything but a man and woman marriage. Think about that. Every single time this issue has been put to a vote of the people they have endorsed the definition of marriage as an opposite sex union. Small wonder considering marriage is that and always has been.
America is not "deeply divided" on this issue and never has been.
How exactly can they be "deeply divided" if it would take a "major shift in public opinion" to change it?

This poll is even more of a joke when you take into consideration that Prop 8 passed in one of the most liberal states in the union in a year when liberals have never been more motivated. Is there a liberal in California that didn't vote? I doubt it, yet voter turnout was down. Who was it that didn't show up in California? Do you think it's likely they would have voted against Prop 8 if they had? I don't. They were probably as equally sure that Prop 8 would fail as they were that McCain would lose California and stayed home.

15 It seems odd to me that they don't sort the respondents by marital status, whether they have kids, and sexual orientation. They sort other surveys by those criteria, and those seem relevant to this topic.

16

It seems odd to me that they don't sort the respondents by marital status, whether they have kids, and sexual orientation. They sort other surveys by those criteria, and those seem relevant to this topic.

It would be too revealing if they did.

17 If only it had passed on Christian and Republican votes. That means California would have gone to McCain-Palin.

18 It seems odd to me that they don't sort the respondents by marital status, whether they have kids, and sexual orientation. They sort other surveys by those criteria, and those seem relevant to this topic.

Actually with the exit polling they did. If the respondents were married they voted yes on Prop 8, across all demographics, ALL. The same held true if they had children. They don't like to mention this as it kills the whole "Young people have a more open attitude and things will change" meme.

19

You beat me to it Dave.

Republicans and Christians have absolutely no clout in California.

The only way for a measure to die in California is if a majority of Democrats vote against it.

PS: any California conservatives who want to make a difference in the next election should move to Ohio, Pennsylvania or Florida.  We need to reposition our troops to win the next battle.

20 I wonder if the anti-prop 8 crowd appreciates just how much damage they're doing to their cause by acting like a bunch of fascistic, spoiled, children?

Nope.  Whenever I point this out to my queer friends, I get told how they're not going to sit there and be quiet and blah blah blah blah blah.  Hell, I'm on record as not caring at all about gay marriage and I'm about to flip to being actively against it just to piss off the activists.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, these tantrums are going to provoke a response.  My response is to disown the entire gay movement.  Hell, they think I don't exist anyway, so no great loss to me.  Not.  In.  My.  Name.  But it doesn't matter because when the gay baiting and name calling and general bashing start, I'm still caught in the cross fire.

21 So, is it racist to oppose Prop 8? Elitist? Age-ist? Anti-Muslim? Apparently not.

22 "Good thing none of them have figured out that I'm against gay marriage, eh?"

Joking aside, somebody who's hung out with the Nation of Islam as much as The One has probably doesn't support gay marriage as much as his supporters thinks he does.
Or woman's rights for that matter.

23

Propostion 8 opponents defeated by a majority vote and an affection for public displays of sexual deviancy but mostly by a majority vote (but not by much).

24 Joking aside, somebody who's hung out with the Nation of Islam as much as The One has probably doesn't support gay marriage as much as his supporters thinks he does.  Or woman's rights for that matter.

I am sure that all my fans know that Barack just had to say these things so that he could get elected.  Once he's elected, he'll fix everything so that it's just fine.  You want women's rights, he's got a plan for that.  You want the traditional family, he supports that as well.  He has said he has some reservations about too much emphasis on rational discourse and critical judgment, but I am sure we call find a way around our disagreements on that as well.

25 Pagans don't dig the homo thang either. Really

26

I'm with Alex--as an issue, I've got more of a live-and-let-live approach to the gay marriage thing, and if the proponents of it showed a bit more reserve and maturity, I could be inclined at least not to actively oppose it. I really can't get too upset or interested about how two guys construct their life together. But the whole chip-on-the-shoulder resentful attitude really makes me want to see them punished in the voting booth for their obnoxiousness and for foisting the argument on those of us who don't have any skin in the game, if you'll pardon the expression...

 

 

27

Blacks voted for the ban.  The AP poll lumps them together to make this not clear.  It was the BLACK vote that passed the Ban!

On another note, fuck them, let them believe Christians have the clout to kill their shit.  RESPECT.  Listen to us or will kill you shit.

If they really believed that they would as Chris Rock said "Shut the fuck up".

They don't this is just liberal whining. 

I blame it on the Joos.

Kemp

28

People don't like getting bigfooted.  Hypothetical, lets say you are an excellent singer, but you appear on the Celine Dion Show (SNL reference) and start to sing,but you are overriden by Cenine at every big note.

Lets say You hit a tripple and are pulled out for a pinch runner.

Lets say you tied the game in the last too minutes and in the red zone, and are replaced by schecky greenburg, the only jew on your football team who was trained as an equipment manager, but ends up suiting up to make the last hand off.

Lets say you are an all state wrestler, 2 years in a row, and are told to LOSE in  a robbin dual elimination tournament because the uncoordinated idiot lost his first match the the very person you beat just the match before?

Would you do it?

NO! self respecting person would.

BTW the wrestling analogy is TRUE, after I beat my "coaches" golden boy, because I wouldn't lose to him, he was a joke! he shouldn't even have been ther, after I beat his golden boy?

My coach left.

My coach was my ride.  My coach DROVE me to the tournament (which I won BTW) but he didn't care, we had 4 sectional winners, and something like 15 qualifiers for regionals, but my coach LEFT me there.

I went into too many matches, not knowing where my coach was, I didn't give a fuck about him coaching me, I need a fucking ride home!!

So I humiliated the poor kid, straight points, did the walk thing, cuz I wanted to get off the mat and find my goddamn coach so I could get a ride.

He left me.

I was 13!!!

If I disobey him I DESERVE as a 13 year old to be abandoned about 40 miles from home, Oh btw my coach was mexican, and so was his golden boy, who SUCKED!!!!  No, he SUCKED!!!!!  SUCKED!!!!!!!   If he didn't suck why did I make state that year, and the following two? and he didn't even qual secional?  HE SUCKED!!!!

But talent is besides the point, My coach was MY RIDE!!!!

And he LEFT ME.

THANK GOD!!!  the light heavy guy (I think that's 155-169) had a big lineup like me, and his mom was there and we found eachother, actually, she found me crying on the phone,between my matches, cuz I couldn't get ahold of my parents, and she said she'd drive me home, and she tried to cover for my coach but we both knew she was lying.  I wasn't a stupid kid.

Her son was in his last match (and he was a hell of a wrestler, his name was sam burnell, badass fucker, and the oddly enough the only other Marine I know of from my "class" from school.) and I got called to my QUARTER, (I had 3 matches left, 135 is a dense group, most of them older)

I won, it was a quick win.  the next was more arduous, and even though my friends mother was conscripted into watching me, she was one enthusiastic bitch, even though she kept forgeting my name, and same basicaly just hit the mat and yelled "YES YES YES!!!"

and the final was a joke, I actually made a point of hurting the poor kid to punish my coach "piemental"  thats not his real name, but Hey, who cares, he only affects formative experiences for young men.

Mom and Sam's mom were good phone friends after that, (this is the year before I went into highschool) and I learned based on moms hushed words on the phone with miss burnell, and dads uproarious outrage, that position means nothing.

I was a KID! and my COACH! he was in fact my TEACHER, he was in fact my GUARDIAN, thats why mom and dad had to sign the shit they did for me to even go to the meat, and I was ABANDONED! by the coach, by the teacher, and it took a mom to not just drive me home, but to cheer me as I was the last from our/her sons class to compete that night.

Mom was so appologetic to her, but she was just as proud as mom or dad would have been had mom or dad been there.

2 of the golds were wone by her boy, and by me, the one she cheered on.

She was one proud mommy.

I never wrestled for the school again, and my mother refused to support any of the school wrestlers, and she caught shit, because mom said she wouldn't say "yay" meanwhile all the other mothers had no problem with abandoning a kid about an hour away from home.

Mom and dad filed complaints, and dad even sorta kinda threatened the vice principle when it got big, and you know what happened?

NOTHING!?

The education system the next overpriced poorly produced union.

BTW, this isn't a "No Shit."  this is an absolutely true story.

THAT EXACTLY happened to me.

29 First of all why do they keep doing polls on this anyway? We had had the most definitive poll imaginable, an election, and every single time....EVERY SINGLE TIME......voters have rejected calling the union of anything but a man and woman marriage.

Well, think of it like those elections where they Dems lose close contests and then they force recount after recount until the Democrat candidate wins, then all recounting is brought to an immediate halt and the results are quickly cast in stone.

That's what they're trying to get. As soon as the gay rights supporters get the first poll where a majority of responses agree with them, that poll will then become the gold standard, and it will be used as evidence by them for years to come.

30

and the final was a joke, I actually made a point of hurting the poor kid to punish my coach "piemental" 

Cheaper than therapy, huh?

31

So it looks like the only groups where a majority voted 'no' on Prop 8 were Democrats, those with a college education, and those aged 18-34.

 

FUCK !

And I always considered myself a member of the enlightened group.

32 Yeah! Liberals wouldn't report that! Every group but White People, Demoncrats, young people, and the well-educated. Asshats..........

Sockpuppet alert: This hash matches that of commenter/troll also known as Zak Taylor.

33 "(sample sizes are too small to report Asians and blacks separately)"

Translation: We didn't want the statistics to reveal to anybody that blacks voted for Prop. 8 by a 2 to 1 margin.

34

no railwriter, I hurt the wrong person.

Piemental (btw thats an alias, we, as students were given an ALIAS!!!)  I know his real name though, if he crosses my path?  he better run. He hurt a kid, he hurt me a lot.

35

#29 is the WP from long ago.  What's up today WP, you okay ?

36 Stupid whinny liberals just cant take losing so they resort to acting like little spoiled brats and throwing their stupid tantrums they need a good trip to the woodshed

37 Sockpuppet alert: This hash matches that of commenter/troll also known as Zak Taylor.

Yeah. A really, really, bad one, too.

38

not good to make me talk, I'm iffy right now.

There are times when I embrace my crazy, but not right now.

Yes, I'm the wickedpinto from the long long time ago, BITCH!!!

39

Think I'm a puppet I don't care, just visit the hostages, set up by 2 people who know eachother.

I'm a puppet.

You know what?  I'm PLV, I'm just head faking you whith my whole conservative ideaology, drying to draw you in.

Fucking morons.

40 Yo Pinto,

How can you be so drunk so early in the day?

The sock comment wasn't even directed at you.  Shit, man, get a hold of yourself.

41

What consenting adults do in privacy is their own business.

Now if these crybabies would only start acting like adults...

42

Why is it that when Gabe is irrational, he's thoughtful, but when I'm irrational I'm drunk?

I'm short sleep fucker, ain't been drinking, asshole.

43

thats right, you are retarded enough to buy into the mean nothing words that you believe he's smart, but cuz I say "fuck" I'm an idiot?

Well, let me assist your definition by telling you to tongue my balls.

44 Gee, so because I'm college-educated, I should have voted against Proposition 8?

No, I voted FOR Prop 8 because I'm sick and tired of 5% of the population demanding special rights, and I'm sick of the SCoCa overturning every legitimately enacted proposition that the whiny liberals in San Fagcisco don't like. All of those fuckers are GONE the next time they come up for a vote if I can help it.

45

Pinto:

I'm basically copying and pasting my line from IB, but:

 

We luvs ya man, but you might want to stand down for a minute or two.

46 My partner and I do not support gay marriage.  We're more civil union kinda guys.  Many gays do not support gay marriage.  The wacko immature gays or the ones that have been so heavily indoctrinated to believe they are being discriminated against are some of the culprits. Marriage is, even at an intuitive level, between a man and a woman.  Andrew Sullivan calling his partner "husband" makes me nauseous.  My partner is my partner, not a husband.  Why they think it is important to destroy a concept that has such deep culture meaning is beyond me.  I sure wish they would use some percentage of their brain cells, some degree of understanding, some amount of compasssion, and some understanding of our own culture and get on with their lives.

47 Remember that 1% of gay people want to be married.

Most statistics put the total homosexual population at 1-2%.

So all of society must bow down to these 0.01% or else we are evil, evil fascist meanies. Never mind that anyone can say they are married. I just married my pet rock and was recognized by the Church of Pet Rocks. Merry Christmas.

(The whole idea is to destroy the traditional family...see Liberal Fascism by Jonah Goldberg).

48 Marriage is about the traditional upbringing of children.

Socialists and communists do not support the traditional upbringing of children. They preferred the State took over this function.

Hence they support gay "marriage."

Pretty simple.

49 " Why they think it is important to destroy a concept that has such deep culture meaning is beyond me."

C'mon? are you serious?

50 I sure wish they would use some percentage of their brain cells, some degree of understanding, some amount of compassion, and some understanding of our own culture and get on with their lives.

But then, they wouldn't be ...

wacko immature gays or the ones that have been so heavily indoctrinated to believe they are being discriminated against....

It's difficult to give up the one thing that you believe "defines" you.  The constant cries of "YOU HATE ME BECAUSE I'M GAY!" get really tiresome, especially when so many gays go out of their way to give us reasons to dislike them that have nothing to do with their sexuality.

I may have mentioned this before, but I had a friend of 20 years who came out of the closet.  We remained friends, but all of a sudden, I could no longer simply disagree with him anymore.  I now disagreed with him because he was gay and I was a Republican and therefore I hated him because he was gay.

It got so insane that we are no longer friends, as it seemed like he needed me to hate him, and did what ever he could to make that happen, simply to justify his own victim-hood.

51 #28 was fucking awesome. Shit like that is the whole reason I keep coming back to AoSHQ. Bring it.

52

I used to have a libertarian take on this issue until I realied that legalizing gay marriage gives them legitimacy to push stuff like Heather has Two Mommies to our kids in the public schools.

So, no deal. If gays want my support on this issue, they better start supporting candidates who are for school vouchers. I can't take a live and let live attitude with people who won't return the favor.

53  #46 - that's perfect, thank you

54

I didn't care one way or another if this thing passed or failed but with al lthe absolute bullshit going on about it and the scape goating, I am now against it. Screw them. If they can't behave in a civilized manner and not like a gang of thugs, they don't deserve anyone's consideration.

These crackpots just make all gays look bad. It's not working either, except to turn people that supported it away from continuing that support

55 present.

56 Two consecutive Prop 8 posts from Slublog? It's almost like...he has a stick up his ass about it!

57 Because everybody knows that Christians and Republicans control California, right? That's why O'Bambi didn't even bother campaigning there, I'm sure...

58 So, the Christians and conservatives rule California now, eh?  Well that's good news!  I guess something good did come out of this election cycle. 
Wait, what?  You say California is still a bastion of illuminati liberals and anti-America socialists?  Well, what about that prop 8 deal?  Ohh, ok, I s'pose it's not just the right who oppose gay marriage, what a surprise.

59

I oppose the Fulton Street Fair. At least the part of it I saw over at Zombietime. If letting them marry would keep them from tonguing each others sqeekholes out in the street in broad daylight, then I'd be for it. But I don't really think that marriage would have a dampening effect on public deviancy.

Well.....that said.......I'm off to go sit on the curb drinking a Miller Lite and hope that a half dozen guys will simultaneously piss in my face.

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