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| "Shut Up, You Dirty Baathist:" Judge Gives "Chemical Ali" the Death SentenceHe actually said "Shut up, you dirty Baathist" to a codefendant mouthing off in court (also sentenced to death), but close enough. Chemical Ali is a dirty Baathist, and he will soon be shutting up, forever. Thanks to MikeH.Comments1
I got no problems with strange fruit of a Baathist nature....
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Kangaroo court - he was only in charge of kite manufacture and distribution!
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I got no problems with strange fruit of a Baathist nature....
But...but...but killing people to teach that killing is wrong makes no sense! No? Okay, how about: If you murder them then you are no better than them! Oh, come on! It's not that stupid! How about: If you murder them you only create more of them? Nope? Let's see: We need to find out WHY they hate us so much! What? Well, then fuck you, too! Posted by: Remember the Kat-Mo! at December 02, 2008 03:16 PM (ASdkc) 5
Was the judge's name Taylor?
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Chemical Ali is set to become his own constituent chemicals.
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Just like the last scene in "The Good, The Bad and The Ugly."
Heh.... Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 02, 2008 03:19 PM (zpaDL) 8
#7 Courts everywhere would be much better if sentencing were accompanied by that "Aaaiyaaaiyaah" cry.
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To help the Iraqis defray the cost of the trial, I suggest they sell tickets for a lottery to determine who gets to stab the corpse.
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Can he drink some of his own potions? Or maybe get attacked by some angry Kurdish women? Revenge is a dish best served cold Posted by: Cromagnum at December 02, 2008 03:45 PM (UxAb/) 12
Still waiting for the arrogant prick Tariq Aziz to have his pencil neck stretched. Will never forget the condescending dweebs appearance on Larry King Alive where he spoke to an American citizen in a very derogatory manner. The last laugh will be on Aziz as he swings the warm Baghdad breeze. Posted by: Fish at December 02, 2008 03:49 PM (6Rihj) 13
Better would have been, 'shut your cockholster, you Baathist assh*le!' Think of the hits! Even better would have been 'Shut your f*cking face, uncle-f*cker! You're joining Satan and Sadaam in bed in Hell!' We would have truly known the war for Iraqi hearts and minds had been won. Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at December 02, 2008 03:50 PM (ERJIu) 14
A comment like that is either hefty grounds for appeal, or a sad testiment on what passes for impartiality in Iraq.
Can you imagine a judge in the U.S. saying something like that as he handed down a death sentence? Ugh. Posted by: seattle slough at December 02, 2008 04:02 PM (H5l9d) 15
They should barium.
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I love when they hang'em til their heads come off. That's the best part.
Posted by: Jazz at December 02, 2008 04:18 PM (hnq5i) 17
sad testiment on what passes for impartiality in Iraq.
Considering the state of "impartiality" in the rest of the Islamic world's jurisprudence, that's downright civilized. Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 02, 2008 04:19 PM (M7AxK) 18
seattle slough: A comment like that is either hefty grounds for appeal, or a sad testiment on what passes for impartiality in Iraq.
Impartiality after judgment is rendered is irrelevant. The judge's comment was one of contempt. Posted by: Jazz at December 02, 2008 04:29 PM (hnq5i) Posted by: Melodic Metal at December 02, 2008 04:38 PM (0TU9n) 20
Take yer stinkin' paws off me, you damned dirty Baathist!
Posted by: RedRiverTed at December 02, 2008 04:44 PM (Z7fcC) 21
Jazz:
Um, do you think that Judge developed his impartiality on the spot? Or was the comment an admission of a prejudice that predated the entire trial? I'm guessing on the latter. Imagine if you will, that you were being sentenced for a crime. The judge gives you the maximum possible sentence allowable under the law and then says to another fellow defendant with whom you are associated, "Shut up you stupid fucking Republican." Are you suggesting that would not be grounds for appeal? I'm not supporting "Chemical Ali," I am, as a lawyer, saddened to see such blatant prejudice from a sentencing judge. If anything, I would hate to see a judge screw up a case by letting his prejudice show. If this guy escaped the death penalty because of an outburst like this, it would be bad. Posted by: seattle slough at December 02, 2008 05:00 PM (H5l9d) 22
If this guy escaped the death penalty because of an outburst like this, it would be bad. Translated into leftist-speak, this means "I'd love it".
Imagine if you will, that you were being sentenced for a crime. The judge gives you the maximum possible sentence allowable under the law and then says to another fellow defendant with whom you are associated, "Shut up you stupid fucking Republican." This is different from our existing lefty judges, how? Not to mention our existing lefty lawyers such as Slow, Esquire.
Posted by: flenser at December 02, 2008 05:06 PM (+90kd) 23
Of course, what the Iraqis really need are some of their own Judge Dredds: Dredd: "10,000 counts of murder, chemical Ali." Dredd: "Guilty. Sentence is..." Ali: (sneers) "Life, infidel dog?" Dredd: "No. Death." Draws Lawgiver: BANG Dredd: "Court adjourned." Posted by: BattleofthePyramids at December 02, 2008 05:15 PM (pcZVI) 24
(in a half mumble-snarl) "I AM... THE LAW!"
Heh. I'm sure the lefties have wet dreams over the "impending" trial of Bush, Rove, etc. "Shut up, you dirty Republican! (spit)" Posted by: Xoxotl at December 02, 2008 05:22 PM (TbnX8) 25
"Shut Up, You Dirty Baathist:" I thought that's what Nancy Pelosi says to her staff when they get bitchy. Posted by: Iblis at December 02, 2008 05:26 PM (9221z) 26
Chemical Ali should be told, right now, that his execution will be via the same stuff he used on the Kurds at Halabja. Hanging means nothing to him but quick and painless death. The prospect of gagging, blistering, puking blood, bleeding from orifices and heaving his lungs out for several excruciating minutes would terrify the crap out of him, for now until his actual demise. Condign punishment, it's called. But I'm sure the enuresis-suffering Seattle Slough will disagree. Limpwristed effetes such as he would like Ali's death sentence to be nothing more than a mild sedative to mellow him out, followed by a gently - dripping IV of KCl to slowly stop his heart. Ali's favorite music should be playing quietly in the background, of course........... So civilized, you see.... Can't have the law actually PUNISH anyone, or take RETRIBUTION. Right, SS????
Posted by: effinaryright at December 02, 2008 06:13 PM (dBb94) 27
I'll believe it when he's dead. We musta killed him, like, five times during the war.
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Seattle Slough says: "Imagine if you will, that you were being sentenced for a crime. The judge gives you the maximum possible sentence allowable under the law and then says to another fellow defendant with whom you are associated, "Shut up you stupid fucking Republican." Listen up, moron "lawyer": Appeal on what grounds? Even under OUR system, it would NOT be grounds for a retrial on the charges, since the defendant's guilt has already been established. Is it grounds for appeal in the US when a sentencing judge in America calls the perp himself a disgrace, a monster, a menace to society? No. So why should a convicted perp benefit from what a judge says to someone else about his politics? Wise the fuck up. Grow at least "one", if you can't manage "a pair".
Posted by: effinaryright at December 02, 2008 06:26 PM (dBb94) 29
seattle slough: Um, do you think that Judge developed his impartiality on the spot? Or
was the comment an admission of a prejudice that predated the entire
trial?
Or is it the expression of an opinion formed after extensive testimony about unimaginable atrocities perpetrated by a heinous individual under the specific protection of an identified group? Are you suggesting that would not be grounds for appeal? I'm suggesting that you have to show that the judge was not impartial during the trial. In the US, one can lodge an appeal based on just about anything; whether the claimed error rises to reversible error is another matter completely. The real questions are, "Is there anything at all that shows bias during the actual proceedings? Was the sentence disproportionate?" If the only error you are claiming is that the judge treated the defendent spitefully and with contempt AFTER the judgment has been rendered, good effin' luck with that. Here in the US, a judicial tenure commission might sanction a judge for that behavior, but Iraq's not the US. We have a great system, arguably the greatest, but certainly not the only one, and it's pretty hard to argue that justice wasn't served in this case AND that the judge's contempt isn't deserved. If one is going to appeal based on the "dirty Ba'athist" comment after sentencing, there better be a lot more to the appeal than that one statement. Posted by: Jazz at December 02, 2008 06:34 PM (hnq5i) Posted by: Mikey NTH at December 02, 2008 06:38 PM (TUWci) 31
I recall a 'Wizard of Id' cartoon where a criminal on the gallows is asked by the short king if he has any last words. The criminal shouts that capital punishment won't stop crime. The short king replies 'I'll believe that when I see you again'.
Posted by: Mikey NTH at December 02, 2008 06:52 PM (TUWci) 32
"Is it grounds for appeal in the US when a sentencing judge in America
calls the perp himself a disgrace, a monster, a menace to society?"
No. It is grounds when the Judge disparages a defendant, not based upon what that person did, but on what groups they are associated with. Let's make it really fucking obvious. Suppose you happened to be Jewish and were sentenced to the max possible. Then the judge tells a co-defendant: "shut up you dirty jew." Is that clear enough? It would call into question every single discretionary ruling (not just sentencing but also trial and pretrial rulings that may have prejudiced the defendant) that judge made against any jewish defendant that had ever been in his court room. Ever. Given that political party and religion are closely intertwined in Iraq, it isn't that far from what happened here. Posted by: seattle slough at December 02, 2008 07:03 PM (H5l9d) 33
seattle slough: It would call into question every single discretionary ruling (not just
sentencing but also trial and pretrial rulings that may have prejudiced
the defendant) that judge made against any jewish defendant that had
ever been in his court room.
And the US standard of review for discretionary rulings is ... abuse of discretion, which gives trial court judges the most latitude and deference by reviewing courts? And every case against every Jewish defendant? BS. You better be able to show a basis for specific review and that a judge's discretion was improperly exercised in each of those cases, which can be an onerous job unless you've egregious examples. Posted by: Jazz at December 02, 2008 07:21 PM (hnq5i) 34
Is that clear enough?
No. That was a dumb comparison. A Baathist is a political party not a religion, ethnicity, culture with a long history of being murdered and scapegoated. But you are a leftard and we know leftards hate Jews. Posted by: Remember the Kat-Mo! at December 02, 2008 07:28 PM (ASdkc) 35
Remember:
'Baathist' is virtual short-hand for 'Sunni.' Political parties in Iraq fall, almost exclusively, along religious lines. And I don't hate Jews. In many respects I am Jewish. My name is Jewish. I appear Jewish. The entire paternal side of my family is Jewish. I am circumcized. I like bagels, and lox, and pickled herring, and challa, and motza ball soup. And the real kicker, I vote almost exclusively democratic. (For being so pro-Jew, you'd think your party would pull in better than 22% of 'em.) But nice try. Jazz: Something tells me you are not a lawyer. Posted by: seattle slough at December 02, 2008 08:21 PM (H5l9d) 36
seattle slough, something tells me you've never actually tried a case.
Posted by: Jazz at December 02, 2008 08:30 PM (fMUEX) 37
Like I said, you hate Jews.
(For being so pro-Jew, you'd think your party would pull in better than 22% of 'em.) Oh, I don't think so. Often, Jews are their own worse enemy. I've been researching a number of books, articles, and documents that the anti-semitic leftists throw around. Unfortunately, many of them come from the antiIsrael hassidic community. If they'll take money from Arafat, canoodle with Yessin, testify for Capt. Hook, and hug the dinnerjacket, I shouldn't be surprised that they also subscribe and produce this antisemitic crap themselves. Posted by: Remember the Kat-Mo! at December 02, 2008 08:33 PM (ASdkc) 38
I will never forget when Sadam went to the gallows. He was white as a ghost and whined a lot. He was very scared to die.
It's shameful how Ali was able to inflict horrors on his own countrymen / women at the behest of such a leader, who was a coward to die. Ali is not going to like meeting his maker. Posted by: kim in vancouver at December 02, 2008 08:35 PM (lzBKU) 39
Remember:
Stupid Jews. Oh, and believe it or not: "Isreal" does not actually equal "Jews." And supporting Isreal's right wing does not necessarily make one supportive of Jews. Just an FYI from someone who actually knows real live Jews. Jazz: Something lied to you. Posted by: seattle slough at December 02, 2008 08:38 PM (H5l9d) 40
Whatever, seattle - I don't really care. I'm not the one who resorted to ad hominems. You haven't countered anything I've asserted. Instead, you rely on your authority as an Internet lawyer to disparage me, whom you know nothing about. You assert sweeping generalizations as fact, but don't respond at all to specific criticisms of your comments. You hold no esteem here, and you certainly haven't rebutted any of my easily verifiable comments with even simple protests, let alone blazing displays of intellectualism - or even basic knowledge of your craft.
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Seattle slough: "Let's make it really fucking obvious. Suppose you happened to be
Jewish and were sentenced to the max possible. Then the judge tells a
co-defendant: 'shut up you dirty jew.' "
It sounds to me like a more accurate analogy would run along the lines of "Shut up you dirty Nazi". Apparently I wasn't aware that 'fascist genocidal henchman' was a race now. Anyway FWIW, I'm of the opinion that it's pretty much AO F'n K for an Iraqi judge shutting up a dirty Baathist douchebag in an Iraqi court room after sentencing the bastard. As for opening the case up for an appeal...Talk about imposing yankee cultural norms. Imperialist! Posted by: monkeyfan at December 02, 2008 10:32 PM (cEE8N) 43
Name-calling is rude, but it's not "ad hominem", unless the person flinging the snot refuses to make or answer an argument. SS may be "polite", but he's also refusing to address the issue that HE brought up. He refuses, for example, to answer directly what the grounds for appeal would be here, other than "the judge made prejudicial comments at my sentencing, even if not to me." Here's a hypo for you, SS: what if the judge in the Tim Mcveigh case looked down at him from the bench at the time of his sentencing and said: "You're a vile mass murderer and you're going to get what's coming to you". He then sentences McV to death, which is well within his discretion under federal sentencing guidelines. Tell us, please: would McV have grounds for appeal, and what are they? SS seems to be of those who finds greater harm and offense to "justice" in an ill-tempered judge than in the convicted mass murderer sitting before him. Why are so many leftards such sitzpinklers, such moral imbeciles? BTW: Sunni is not a synomym for Baathist; Baathism is a secular political movement that's been around the Arab world for more than sixty years. Tariq Aziz is a self-described Christian, AND he was a Baathist. Syria is Baathist as well, and most Syrians are Alawites, not Sunnis.
Posted by: effinaryright at December 02, 2008 10:49 PM (dBb94) 44
seattle slough: Spoken like a true leftard! Israel does equal Jews. Your ilk hates Israel. You want Israel to adopt policies that will result in more Israelis, i.e., jews, being murdered. Then you pretend you're not anti-semitic.
Posted by: Remember the Kat-Mo! at December 02, 2008 11:04 PM (ASdkc) 45
Anyone notice that seattle slough, who claims to be lawyer and "in many respects" Jewish, misspelled "Isreal" (sic) TWICE??? My Bullshit meter is hissing, emitting bolts of lightning, and uncontrollably vibrating. Next thing, he'll be telling us his middle name is "Schmoikel" Seattle Schmoikel Slough : yeah, that's it. thaaat's it!! Posted by: effinaryright at December 02, 2008 11:10 PM (dBb94) Posted by: railwriter at December 03, 2008 01:08 PM (nwEiU) 47
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