1 Selected, not elected.  Catchy phrase.

2 It was only close because that waste of human flesh rode The One's coattails. I don't think he would win another election. And I don't think Reid has the balls to appoint him while he's under by 300+ votes.

But stranger things have happened. 

3

We will see just how ballsy the dems are. If they try to put the loser Franken in office despite losing an election the backlash will start early.

Prediction - the American people will be tired of the Obama administration and the congress by the end of 2009. Some in the press will try to regain some credibility by actually doing their jobs and pointing out the mistakes of the Chosen One and his minions.

4 I doubt even Reid would do this.  Not because he's such an honorable guy but because he doesn't need Franken.

They aren't going to get to 60 anyway if, as expected, Chamblis wins today in Georgia. Also, they  wouldn't need Franken to get 60 votes on most issues (hello ladies of Maine. Nice to see you Sen. Specter and of course the Democrats BFF again...John McCain).

Given all that, why take the heat for that kind of shit and have to put up with a lose cannon like Al Franken for 6 years?

5

Does Reid really want to bring a guy named Franken in the building and get the peasants all riled up with their pitchforks and torches?

6 Do it, Reid.  Let the naked power struggle begin.

7 Whatever happened to the democrat senator who had a health issue a few years ago that they kept the seat open for? He was alive, but in a coma or something. 

8 I thought they would do this but after thinking it over more, it's just so in your face and could really hurt more than help. This thing has gotten way to big for something so brazen that still may not give them the super majority anyway. It's a pretty big risk with all eyes watching the race.

9

Agreed with #6. My attitude will be that every act passed by a Senate with a Franken in it (assuming he loses a recount that was conducted in a manner consistent with Minnesota law) will be a "fruit of the poisonous" tree, possessing no legitimacy and not requiring my acceptance to it other than whatever physical coercive force from the state (threatened, implied, or actual) may enable.  

 

10 Not only would this be a naked and indefensible power grab, Franken himself would be such an open asshole in the Senate that he'd cause Reid more problems than his vote is worth.

I can't see this actually going down.

11 Can't we just kill this whiny little bastard?

12

I always dismiss the posts about the possiblity of another civil war in this country as just letting out frustration but something like this would be causa bellum.

13

Hey, this would be justified because "we" stole Florida in 2000, so we can steal MN now.

These people have NO shame or honesty and the MSM will cover for them.

Boys, we are in a world of shit.  Look at Venezuela, it coming North.

Kemp

14

The Dems don't really need sixty anyway. The first time the GOP filibusters something they really want, they'll simply alter the rule so that you only need fifty-five votes for cloture. I mean, it's not like they have any McIdiots on their side who'd object.

 

 

15 Posted by: polynikes at December 02, 2008 03:12 PM (m2CN7)

I read Orson Scott Card's "Empire" over the Thanksgiving holiday.  It doesn't seem all that far-fetched these days.

16 Welcome to the Democrat Dictatorship. Voters don't matter unless we let them think they do.

17

Not going to happen. But in a perverse way, I almost wish they would. Any close vote would lose all legitimacy, and as others pointed out, the honeymoon would end that day. "President-elect Obama, what do you think of Franken being picked by your party...?"

However, the fact that there is even serious thought about it is chilling.

18

I read Orson Scott Card's "Empire" over the Thanksgiving holiday.  It doesn't seem all that far-fetched these days.

I was considering getting it. Was it a good read?

19

Nevermind the filibuster.

Republicans, even in the minority, have the ability to essentially shut the Congress down if this "appointment" happens.

No continuing resolutions. No consent. No yielding floor time. There are many ways to bring the place to a halt.

The GOP really will have to go nuclear if this happens.

20 I was considering getting it. Was it a good read?

It's a decent read.  I read it in a day or so.

21 The GOP really will have to go nuclear if this happens.

This implies that the Senate GOP has a pair.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

22 Whatever happened to the democrat senator who had a health issue a few years ago that they kept the seat open for? He was alive, but in a coma or something.

He was re-elected in 2008.(Tim Johnson, D-SD).

Granted, in any given Democrat caucus, it's really hard to tell who is brain-dead and who technically isn't.

23 The left stamped their feet and claimed Bush stole the election, but they really didn't believe it so nothing came of it.  I am not referring specifically to the minnesota election, but if these professional politicians think they can baldly fuck over the citizens who want fair elections, they are making a grave mistake.  It's gonna be game on.

24

The result of the run-off election in Georgia will dictate what happens with Franken.  If Chambliss loses then it puts extra pressure on the Democrats to back Franken and get the magic 60 vote supermajority.  If Chambliss wins then the Democrats can't get their supermajority and they'll just stay out of the recount mess.  With a win by Chambliss there is no upside for them to stick their noses into the recount.  It will just look bad and give the Republicans an issue to run on in two years.

Besides, a lot of the establishment really Dems don't want Franken in there anyway.  If he gets in, it may set a precedent for other Hollywood stars to do the same thing.  They don't really want Sean Penn, Tim Robbins, Michael Moore or any of the others running for Congress.

 

25 Franken's a hollywood star?

26 Hey everybody! I just found half a dozen ballots for Al Franken in my pants!

27 The result of the run-off election in Georgia will dictate what happens with Franken.

I don't know about this. Do you think Reid would throw himself on a grenade just to bootstrap that repellent little toad into the Senate, even if it means 60 Dems? Even if he knows he can peel off Snowe, Collins, and McCain (at the very least) every time he needs an important vote to go his way?

28 They don't really want Sean Penn, Tim Robbins, Michael Moore or any of the others running for Congress.

I think it would be funny if that happened. It would simply confirm how much Hollywood is in the bag for liberal causes. All we'd need to do is get Chris Matthews, Keef Olbermann, Tom Brokaw, Wolf Blitzer, and Jon Stewart elected as well, and the Senate's beclowning would be complete.

29 My dog just found 500 Franken votes in the backyard.  I'll send them for shipping and handling fees Mr. Reid.  Say $5000 dollars.  Yeah, $5000 should cover my handling fees.

30

I don't know about this. Do you think Reid would throw himself on a grenade just to bootstrap that repellent little toad into the Senate, even if it means 60 Dems? Even if he knows he can peel off Snowe, Collins, and McCain (at the very least) every time he needs an important vote to go his way?

It'd probably be tempting, since they then wouldn't be required to string along those useless idiots anymore.  They could rely on the Democratic PR Department (MSM) to spin everything they do in such a positive light, hoping that by the time midterms and 2012 rolls around everyone but the people of Minnesota stops caring about it.  They got their template for running elections this year to try again (Disabled AVS for online donations, etc.)  So while you're right in assuming that its a boneheaded move, don't put it past them to be considering it.

31 Ok, I don't follow Minnesota politics but what exactly did Norm Coleman do so very wrong that Stuart Smalley is so close?

32 The clever, diabolical thing would be to have done allthe cheating early on, and now "find" previously hidden, pristine Franken ballots...

33 It's not going to happen.  The last thing the Democrats want is the legitimacy of what the government is doing called into question.  If people were to actually read the Constitution, they'd quickly realize that most of what is being done to them is illegal.  Franken isn't worth the heat.

34

The Congressional Dems are split between the true believers and the pragmatists.  The True Believers want the supermajority at any cost, even if it means tolerating Al Franken.  The Pragmatists know they have the Congress and the White House. 

With the country in a recession and a lot of uncertainty going into the next Congress, the Pragmatists want a fall guy.  If things go well they can take the credit, if things go badly they can blame the Republicans.  If the Democrats have a supermajority.  They won't be able to blame the Republicans.

 

35

Sooooo...when do the folks who are supposed to police against political absurdity, The Daily Show, turn on him? This is a pitch right in their sweet spot, right?

 Tonight? Tomorrow maybe??

36 Let's face it. Walter Mondale, Jesse Ventura, Harold Stassen. Minnesota has a tradition of elected clowns, so Stuart Smalley will fit right in.

37

"Ok, I don't follow Minnesota politics but what exactly did Norm Coleman do so very wrong that Stuart Smalley is so close?"

According to Garrison Keillor, "plenty of people" (but not Garrison) suspect that Norm killed off Paul Wellstone in a plane crash.

(The only Minnesota Democrat more totally repulsive than Al Franken is Garrison Keillor.)

38 I'm sure the longer we wait, the more ballots will mysteriously appear all in favor of Franken.  This election season is one of the most depressing things I've experienced.  Not because the illuminati Democrats have won control this nation's federal government, but because of the terrible and blatantly immoral tactics they used to get there.

39

The media is why this is gotten so bad.

Sports addled men and cell phone crippled women do not pay attention to anything but hollywood and the monday night football bullshit.

The tructh is out there, but we will never win anything again unless the media is shut down, and I mean hard. Hung for the traitors that they are

40 They got away with that in the 1970s because conservatives couldn't get the word out. If they tried it now, they'd get smoked.

41 "The first time the GOP filibusters something they really want, they'll simply alter the rule so that you only need fifty-five votes for cloture. I mean, it's not like they have any McIdiots on their side who'd object."

The Rules of the Senate require a two-thirds vote (67) to be amended.  The Senate is a continuing body, unlike the House (since two-thirds of the membership carry over without election), so it does not readopt its rules at the beginning of each Congress.  The only time the Rules get changed are for things that are totally uncontroversial.  Therefore, there's no way that would ever happen.

"No continuing resolutions. No consent. No yielding floor time. There are many ways to bring the place to a halt."

The quickest way to bring the Senate to a halt is this: whenever any piece of legislation is introduced, the clerk reads the title ("First Reading") and the sponsor moves to dispense with further reading of the bill, to which there's invariably no objection and the chair finds unanimous consent.  The Senate runs on unanimous consent.  So this time, someone should object, thus requiring the bill to read in full.

42

A reader explains why the secretary of state's site shows Franken (sic - it's actually Coleman) behind: Simply because the recount isn't finished yet, and many of the uncounted precincts went big for Coleman. So the current tally is not reflective of the likely final tally.

That would be "a Moron", chief (namely, me).

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