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| Mel Martinez To Retire From Senate In 2010One of the more annoying Republican Senators is retiring at the end of his term in 2 years. U.S. Sen. Mel Martinez of Florida, who has struggled to boost public support because of his close ties to President George W. Bush, announced Tuesday he will not seek a second term in 2010, saying he wants to spend more time with his family. The Republican pushed an immigration reform bill that was unpopular with many in his party, and his seat was widely seen as vulnerable in two years. However, Martinez rejected suggestions he faced difficult re-election prospects in a state won last month by Democrat Barack Obama. "I've faced much tougher obstacles in my life," Martinez said. "My decision is not based on re-election prospects, but on what on what I want to do with the next eight years of my life."While I can't stand Martinez, there's no doubt that his personal story is one that probably couldn't happen any where but America. He came here from Cuba at age 15, spoke no English and rose to become a cabinet secretary and Senator. That's impressive regardless of his politics. But here's a reminder of the kind of rhetoric that made Martinez so obnoxious. I think we have to understand that the (2006 midterm) election did speak to one issue, and that was that it’s not about bashing people, it’s about presenting a hopeful face. … Border security only, enforcement only, harshness only is not the message that I believe America wants to convey.”That was Martinez right after the 2006 midterms and just as he was about to become chairman of the RNC. I'm not sure what school of leadership argues that you should misrepresent and insult the people you are supposed to represent, especially right after a crushing defeat, but apparently Mel is a follower of it. Let the scrambling begin! Comments1
Jeb Bush 2010?
Posted by: V the K at December 02, 2008 01:47 PM (PLvLS) 2
Seeya. And thanks for all your fine work. Dipshit.
Posted by: wiserbud at December 02, 2008 01:47 PM (IHbof) 3
I question the timing. Is he getting an executive job?
Posted by: AmishDude at December 02, 2008 01:48 PM (T0NGe) 4
I won't miss him, but we'll probably miss his seat. Oh well...
Posted by: runninrebel at December 02, 2008 01:55 PM (0n9wc) Posted by: Mr. Pissed at December 02, 2008 01:56 PM (X7Ey1) 6
Wonder what he meant by the "next 8 yrs" of his life? SOunds like he has something specific in mind... Any fellow Sunshine state morons know who the RNC should be trying to recruit? Posted by: freetofly at December 02, 2008 01:56 PM (awKDf) 7
Jeb Bush wouldn't be so bad...but every news story about him would say "and oh by the way, he has this brother named George who is really Chimpy McHitlerBurton and who totally destroyed the WHOLE WORLD."
Posted by: Jim62sch at December 02, 2008 01:56 PM (zYagu) 8
Maybe Gawd will tell Kathy Harris to run again.
I am guessing one or the other of the Diaz-Balarts will be recruited. Posted by: V the K at December 02, 2008 01:59 PM (PLvLS) 9
Wonder what he meant by the "next 8 yrs" of his life? SOunds like he has something specific in mind... 2 Years left in his senate term. 6 years if he ran for reelection and won. I think you are taking it to sound more ominous than it is. Especially since he's not talking about stepping down but just seeking reelection. Posted by: buzzion at December 02, 2008 02:03 PM (Lrsi6) 10
OK, OK, I'll run. Think a drunk pagan Cuban nudist conservative (moron, of course) has a shot at it?
Posted by: Alisa at December 02, 2008 02:04 PM (5VRhq) 11
There seem to be a lot of worried RINO Senators...there was a Politico piece today, linked by Hot Air, where Lisa Murkowski was basically trying to bluff away Sarah Palin from challenging Murkowski for her Senate seat in 2010. Must be tough for Lisa knowing that the woman who killed your Daddy (politically speaking) can also kill you should she ever get the whim. But personally I hope Palin doesn't run for Senate. Posted by: Jim62sch at December 02, 2008 02:08 PM (zYagu) 12
Martinez is a descending star. Crist is an ascending star. He's effectively a liberal, not even a RINO, but he does have an R by his name.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 02, 2008 02:11 PM (CwzFE) 13
>>10 OK, OK, I'll run. Think a drunk pagan Cuban nudist conservative (moron, of course) has a shot at it?<< Capitalize Nudist and you migh have a chance. Posted by: Javems at December 02, 2008 02:13 PM (hq71Y) 14
2010 will be a midterm year after 2 years of essentially one party rule. It should be a GOP year, and the Republicans should be able to get anyone competent and ethical elected to hold that seat. We should be able to get a rock solid conservative elected, and come out ahead in the long run. Posted by: Lee at December 02, 2008 02:16 PM (TxTIh) 15
Well if you dislike Bush it seems logical you would also dislike Martinez. His positions pretty much mirror Bush's except for the offshore drilling in Florida and seems to be more of an advocate of the 2nd amendment rather than just a supporter.
Posted by: polynikes at December 02, 2008 02:19 PM (m2CN7) 16
Does Sarah Palin really NEED to be a senator? Personally I think that if she keeps running Alaska well it will be plenty. One of the best things she has going for her is the mere fact that her state isn't going to the federal government, hat in hand, asking for a bailout. She runs her state responsibly. Isn't that enough?
Posted by: Alisa at December 02, 2008 02:20 PM (5VRhq) 17
No, Lisa can go ahead and lose that seat on her own, thank you very much. When you get your dad to appoint you to the Senate, thereby causing an uproar and forcing a change in the law; you're political career is not doing so hot to begin with. Sarah has eyes on a much bigger prize, than your tarnished seat It's dissapointing about Martinez, as the first Cuban American Senator one had high hopes, but he back tracked on the Iraq War, Gitmo as well as the immigration matters. Some have suggested the former State Senate leader Marco Rubio, as an alternative; although don't know how much appeal he'd have upstate. Maybe Tom Gallagher, who was Crist's rival two years ago and perennial gubernatorial candidate. I'm kind of stumped. Posted by: narciso at December 02, 2008 02:22 PM (9EG7Z) 18
Posted by: buzzion at December 02, 2008 02:03 PM K, thanks. I didn't exactly mean ominous. But, I was looking right past the answer as I tried to put the time frame in a political context outside of his current one...oops! Posted by: freetofly at December 02, 2008 02:23 PM (awKDf) 19
Dan Marino? Hulk Hogan?
Posted by: China at December 02, 2008 02:30 PM (zl17B) 20
Yeah I knew ominous wasn't the right word. But I couldn't think of a better one to use.
Posted by: buzzion at December 02, 2008 02:30 PM (Lrsi6) 21
OK, OK, I'll run. Think a drunk pagan Cuban nudist conservative (moron, of course) has a shot at it?
Dunno.A drunk, naked, pagan Cuban does sound appealing in a moron sort of way, but we'd have to see photos first. Posted by: OregonMuse at December 02, 2008 02:37 PM (FO+YO) 22
Posted by: freetofly at December 02, 2008 02:39 PM (awKDf) Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 02, 2008 02:41 PM (CwzFE) 24
It's dissapointing about Martinez, as the first Cuban American Senator one had high hopes, but he back tracked on the Iraq War, Gitmo His votes do not reflect that thankfully. Posted by: polynikes at December 02, 2008 02:44 PM (m2CN7) Posted by: someone at December 02, 2008 02:52 PM (1wXl7) 26
"competent and ethical" are lacking on both sides of the aisle. It is simply astounding how corrupt congress is. But until we start holding our own representatives accountable we may as well give up. And, of course, we can vote our own corrupt jerks out but it means nothing if those other guys keep putting their corrupt jerks back in office.
Photos? Are you serious? Did you learn nothing from the previous militant nudist thread? Posted by: Alisa at December 02, 2008 02:57 PM (5VRhq) 27
Crist gives me a creepy undead Harry Reid vibe. He looks like he was marinated in carrot juice for a couple of weeks and then left to mummify in the Sahara.
Posted by: Jim62sch at December 02, 2008 03:04 PM (X4hru) 28
While I may not have been in agreement with Senator Martinez on certain issues, specifically the immgration issue as most here, I find it disheartening to read comments like "fuck Mel" or Dipshit". The guy was placed between a rock and a hard place, vis a vis his history, current sentiment on immigration from some quarters and what his President wanted from him. Knowing full well the hit his approval numbers might take he supported his President. Loyaty does still exist, no? And, for supporters of a political party that just took a major licking and which will need some major major resucitation in order to survive the next round of elections, much less come out ahead, is it really prudent to bash one of the few Hispanic senators - and one on the same ideological side, no less - with the hispanic or latino population currently becoming more and more of a political force in this country and whose votes this party will certainly need to curry? There's a old Cuban saying: "No escupan para arriba, caballeros." "Dont spit straight up, folks."
Posted by: Val Prieto at December 02, 2008 03:18 PM (zTXXH) 29
"There's a old Cuban saying: "No escupan para arriba, caballeros."
"Dont spit straight up, folks."" Yeah, except it's Mel who's learning that. Posted by: someone at December 02, 2008 03:25 PM (1wXl7) 30
While I may not have been in agreement with Senator Martinez on certain issues, specifically the immgration issue as most here, I find it disheartening to read comments like "fuck Mel" or Dipshit". The motto here for a lot of people is 'you're either with me 100% or you are against me and I will destroy you'. There are also a fair number of people who know how to deliver constructive criticism and still give the proper respect. You just learn who to scroll over. Posted by: polynikes at December 02, 2008 03:39 PM (m2CN7) Posted by: Val Prieto at December 02, 2008 03:40 PM (zTXXH) 32
I did like Mel. I didn't like everything, about him, but he will be missed. Especially if we don't put someone out front and center who can communicate and stand by conservative SOLUTIONS and connect with average joes and janes.
Posted by: freetofly at December 02, 2008 03:40 PM (awKDf) 33
"There are also a fair number of people who know how to deliver constructive criticism and still give the proper respect."
You give respect to earn respect. Mel was contemptuous, not respectful. He also betrayed one of his key campaign promises. Posted by: someone at December 02, 2008 03:41 PM (1wXl7) 34
'you're either with me 100% or you are against me and I will destroy you'.
He didn't have to be 100% anything, but maybe 75% would have been nice. There are also a fair number of people who know how to deliver constructive criticism and still give the proper respect. Respect is earned. And there have been thousands of comments containing "constructive criticism" on this topic here and elsewhere. That did nothing. This Comprehensive Piece of Shit was never fully completely destroyed, thanks to the efforts of people like Senator Martinez and yes, President Bush. It will arise again and this time, has a pretty damn good chance of passing. And now Mel is leaving at the end of his term, opening up yet another opportunity for a senate seat to change hands, instead of staying and fighting for what his constituents want. Fine body of work there. Posted by: wiserbud at December 02, 2008 03:46 PM (wWwJR) 35
Knowing full well the hit his approval numbers might take he supported his President. Loyaty does still exist, no?
Val Prieto, First of all the presupposes that he disagreed with Bush but backed him out off loyalty. I see no evidence of that. I think Martinez is simply pro-amnesty, loyalty doesn't enter in to it. Second, for all your bitching about people calling Martinez names just because he disagrees with them, that's exactly what Martinez does to people who disagree with on amnesty. I oppose amnesty or comprehensive immigration reform or whatever you want to call it but that doesn't make me de facto anti-Hispanic, does it? All too often that's exactly the kind of language people like Martinez, McCain and Graham use. So forgive me if I don't cry when Mel gets a taste of his own medicine. Posted by: DrewM. at December 02, 2008 03:46 PM (hlYel) 36
Posted by: DrewM. at December 02, 2008 03:46 PM "oppose amnesty or comprehensive immigration reform or whatever you want to call it but that doesn't make me de facto anti-Hispanic, does it? All too often that's exactly the kind of language people like Martinez, McCain and Graham use. " This would be the part of Martinez I did NOT like. That and his opposition to offshore drilling. I am just hoping for a great replacement. Someone willing to take risks and be common sense oriented. Decidely not PC, yet people savvy. Posted by: freetofly at December 02, 2008 03:55 PM (atWhh) 37
DrewM, Let me state it once again, I did not agree with the Senator's stance on immigration, nor his work to promote same. My comment about loyalty presupposed nothing, as I have excellent contacts within his office. I also know he wasnt the sharpest pencil in the box, but know he is a man of conviction and loyalty and one who loves this country dearly and one who has served same withintegrity, that , ABOVE ALL ELSE, merits enough respect to not be called a dipshit or told to go fuck himself.
Posted by: Val Prieto at December 02, 2008 04:10 PM (zTXXH) 38
He didn't have to be 100% anything, but maybe 75% would have been nice. For what its worth, and I expect little, his conservative rating he was 84%.
Posted by: polynikes at December 02, 2008 04:14 PM (m2CN7) 39
Val,
You keep saying he shouldn't be run down because he was loyal to Bush. How was he loyal? They agreed on something, loyalty has nothing to do with it. Maybe I'm missing something but I don't get why you keep saying he was loyal to Bush. As for serving with 'integrity', I don't see how painting members of your own party, or anyone for that matter, with a very broad brush by saying they are anti-Hispanic (when in fact many simply disagree on a policy matter) is particularly loyal or a sign of integrity. I hope the voters of Florida do better in 2 years than they did when they elected Martinez. Posted by: DrewM. at December 02, 2008 04:20 PM (hlYel) 40
As a Floridian I say Yea! Bring on Jeb Bush make the media and the libs crazy with a Bushy in office~ The man was an excellent Govenor. Hated to see him go. This may offend alot of people but I would love love Jeb on a future WH ticked. Not going to happen but I think he is more qualified than Obama. And certainly more qualifed than Jindal and Palin though I like them both. Posted by: Pandora at December 02, 2008 04:20 PM (wK9dJ) 41
Mel Martinez helps perpetuate the myth that all hispanics support amnesty for illegal aliens. That makes me angry. Posted by: Alisa at December 02, 2008 04:23 PM (5VRhq) 42
I don't see how painting members of your own party, or anyone for that matter, with a very broad brush by saying they are anti-Hispanic Just as I don't like the painting with a broad brush of anyone who supports immigration reform as being pro-illegal alien and pro-amnesty. Posted by: polynikes at December 02, 2008 04:24 PM (m2CN7) 43
For what its worth, and I expect little, his conservative rating he was 84%.
Heh. For what it's worth, indeed. And at least I never called him a racist. He really can't say the same about me, can he? Posted by: wiserbud at December 02, 2008 04:24 PM (IHbof) 44
Just as I don't like the painting with a broad brush of anyone who
supports immigration reform as being pro-illegal alien and
pro-amnesty.
Posted by: polynikes at December 02, 2008 04:24 PM (m2CN7) Please. Are those examples really the same as accusing someone of racism? There's no comparison to the social stigma or attempt to shut down legitimate debate as there is when someone plays the racism card. Posted by: DrewM. at December 02, 2008 04:28 PM (hlYel) 45
I've been trying to google up Martinez statements where he referred to opponents of the immigration reform as racists and have had no luck. Anyone have a link? Posted by: polynikes at December 02, 2008 04:39 PM (m2CN7) 46
Please. Are those examples really the same as accusing someone of racism? There's no comparison to the social stigma or attempt to shut down legitimate debate as there is when someone plays the racism card. in my circle, YES. Posted by: polynikes at December 02, 2008 04:41 PM (m2CN7) 47
Anyone have a link?
Yes. The fact of the matter is that Hispanics are going to be a more and more vibrant part of the electorate, and the Republican Party had better figure out how to talk to them. We had a very dramatic shift between what President Bush was able to do with Hispanic voters, where he won 44 percent of them, and what happened to Senator McCain. Senator McCain did not deserve what he got. He was one of those that valiantly fought, fought for immigration reform, but there were voices within our party, frankly, which if they continue with that kind of rhetoric, anti-Hispanic rhetoric, that so much of it was heard, we're going to be relegated to minority status. -Mel Martinez on Meet the Press, November 9, 2008. Posted by: DrewM. at December 02, 2008 04:48 PM (hlYel) 48
in my circle, YES.
Then you need a new circle. You may not like it but defining the terms of the debate is a pretty normal thing. Just because people prefer to call it 'comprehensive immigration reform' or 'path to citizenship' doesn't mean opponents can't call it 'amnesty'. That's what politics is. Now, if I call you 'pro-amnesty', I'm not impugning your character, I'm characterizing your policy preference as I see it. If you call me 'anti-Hispanic' you are most definitely making a personal statement about my character. Posted by: DrewM. at December 02, 2008 04:52 PM (hlYel) 49
Posted by: Pandora at December 02, 2008 04:20 PM Doesn't offend me. I don't talk about Bush bc I get sick of hearing people bash him. But, I think he did a good job in a lot of areas. I think he would have done a lot more if we didn't have a moonbat frenzy in our country and often times Repubs who could have done more to work with him were positioned defesively instead of proactively, protecting their own interests (and theWOT), bc of the media assault on the whole weapons of mass destruction and war in Iraq. I'm not saying Bush was, or is perfect. But he has done so much that others would have miserable failed at. We are safe, intact, united and victorious largely because of his leadership. He has been gracious and led with integrity, and I chose to focus on that than anything I might wish he had done differently at this point. re: Jeb- I thought he was awesome! I don't know if he wants to go through anymore of what the media and moonbats (was that redundant?) does to a Bush though. How about Bush/Palin 2012? Wouldn't that make the moonbats just froth at the mouth? Posted by: freetofly at December 02, 2008 04:55 PM (atWhh) 50
Talk about using a broad brush to try to prove your point. He said there were voices in the party. If you believe he was talking about everyone that opposed reform were racists by that statement you have just one upped the libs in how they turn a phrase. Pro amnesty, Pro illegal alien is used as a perjorative. You know that. Posted by: polynikes at December 02, 2008 05:02 PM (m2CN7) 51
Posted by: freetofly at December 02, 2008 04:55 PM
Right on my friend Right on! Your points about our President Bush were made perfectly. Thank you.
Posted by: Pandora at December 02, 2008 05:03 PM (wK9dJ) 52
I won't miss him, but we'll probably miss his seat.
We never had his seat, any more than we have McCains. People like that are what makes the good Republicans unpopular. Posted by: flenser at December 02, 2008 05:10 PM (+90kd) 53
Oh noes! You mean people who disagree with you on something speak of it in a disparaging or belittling way? Those mean an nasty people should be banished from the public square!
Yeah, belittling someone you disagree with is exactly the same as calling them a racist. Grow up (see what I did there?) Posted by: DrewM. at December 02, 2008 05:10 PM (hlYel) 54
He said there were voices in the party. If you believe
he was talking about everyone that opposed reform were racists by that
statement you have just one upped the libs in how they turn a phrase.
He also said there were enough of them to cost McCain a lot of votes. He wasn't talking about one or two people obviously. Also, unless he is prepared to name names, then yes, he is trying to smear a whole group of people. I love how you challenge people running Martinez down to provide a link and when you get it you simply discount it. How about you find me a link where Martinez names a name instead of talking about 'voices' or 'opponents'? Since he elects to speak in broad generalities neither he nor you should be shocked when a lot of people take offense to his statements. Posted by: DrewM. at December 02, 2008 05:14 PM (hlYel) 55
Oh Noes. Martinez said some in the party had used anti hispanic rhetoric and Drew thinks he called him a racist. Grow a pair. Posted by: polynikes at December 02, 2008 05:17 PM (m2CN7) 56
love how you challenge people running Martinez down to provide a link and when you get it you simply discount it. You didn't provide crap and you're trying to spin it to say what you accused him of which isn't even close. Posted by: polynikes at December 02, 2008 05:18 PM (m2CN7) 57
Martinez was so busy kissing Teddy's A, he barely had time to tell the rest of us we were racist and stupid for wanting secure borders, etc. Good riddance.
Posted by: free at December 02, 2008 05:20 PM (cFwGO) 58
And I didn't challenge anyone, I simply stated I could not find a link where he called people who opposed immigration reform racists and asked if anyone had one. I saw the link you posted but I thought surely this is not what they were talking about because as you say, being called a racist is serious business.
Posted by: polynikes at December 02, 2008 05:22 PM (m2CN7) 59
So just to be clear polynikes, calling people 'anti-Hispanic' isn't the same as calling them racist. That's your position?
Posted by: DrewM. at December 02, 2008 05:27 PM (hlYel) 60
I don't like the painting with a broad brush of anyone who supports immigration reform as being pro-illegal alien and pro-amnesty. If your fucking "immigration reform" consists of amnesty then it's more then reasonable to paint you as being pro-illegal alien and and pro-amnesty. In fact it would be insane to to do otherwise. Posted by: flenser at December 02, 2008 05:35 PM (+90kd) 61
Martinez, much like Graham, forever earned my disgust by equating my desire to secure our borders with racism, knowing full well that there was an rational intellectual argument to be made for it but not wanting to risk losing that debate to conservatives.
Just another" go along to get along" RINO- get out. Posted by: jjshaka at December 02, 2008 05:36 PM (/aOhv) 62
Why can't you be accurate. Saying that there was anti Hispanic rhetoric is not the same as calling someone racist. That's my position. Is it you position that there was no anti Hispanic rhetoric. That's your position? Posted by: polynikes at December 02, 2008 05:37 PM (m2CN7) Posted by: polynikes at December 02, 2008 05:38 PM (m2CN7) 64
The motto here for a lot of people is 'you're either with me 100% or you are against me and I will destroy you'.
Anybody who is "for" adding scores of mllions of poor left-wing voters to America is somebody who is 100% against me. And even though you're not bright enough to grasp it, they are 100% against you too. But feel free to scroll on past any awkard facts that might trouble your swollen ego. Posted by: flenser at December 02, 2008 05:40 PM (+90kd) 65
douchebag says
Why can't you be accurate. Saying that there was anti Hispanic rhetoric is not the same as calling someone racist. That's my position. Is it you position that there was no anti Hispanic rhetoric. That's your position?
That's what douchebag says. Wander on back to the Democratic party, you silly cunt. You're still one of them in heart anyway.
Posted by: flenser at December 02, 2008 05:43 PM (+90kd) 66
Dudeman himself (more likely one of his staffers) told me in email that it wasn't the job of the courts to uphold the Constitution, it was the job of the voters. A sphincter says 'what'?
Posted by: Liberty Girl at December 02, 2008 05:50 PM (B6HnU) 67
Screw Martinez.
Posted by: MlR at December 02, 2008 06:12 PM (PLmsY) 68
I do not want just border security - I also want the entire system on how to legally immigrate to be overhauled. There is something wrong in that there when it is a better bet to have a coyote lead you across a desert than to actually apply to immigrate.
Posted by: Mikey NTH at December 02, 2008 07:02 PM (TUWci) 69
Good to see some sports opening up for a GOP comeback. After two years of this illuminati leftist crap, this nation will be ready for a change.
Posted by: RJ at December 02, 2008 07:03 PM (7nbTg) 70
And don't get me started on that 'wet foot dry foot' policy with Cuba. Anyone that can turn a pick-up into a boat is welcome, I think. How else to bring down the left's favorite paradise then to say 'If you get beyond their limits to our ships, you are safe.'?
Posted by: Mikey NTH at December 02, 2008 07:05 PM (TUWci) 71
# 1, my thoughts too. We love Jeb Bush down here. He was a great gov. He also did me a great favor in helping speed up the red tape in getting some aid for my mentally disabled son. I will never forget what he did for me and my son...All I did was write him a short email from the heart. He felt my burden.Wow, I tell people all the time how important a Gov can be. He did not know me from Adams house cat, but what a caring person Gov Jeb is... Frankly, I wish he would run in 2012 for Prez..... Posted by: josey at December 02, 2008 07:34 PM (SjAvA) 72
"I am guessing one or the other of the Diaz-Balarts will be recruited."
Either of them would be a huge improvement. Jeb would be a huge improvement, obviously. I could see outgoing Florida House Speaker Marco Rubio running as well, and he's also be a huge improvement. The Florida GOP actually has a pretty deep bench to draw on, and definitely more than even odds of holding the seat. Posted by: Dave J at December 02, 2008 08:10 PM (qsGH+) 73
I don't talk about Bush bc I get sick of hearing people bash him. But, I think he did a good job in a lot of areas. I think he would have done a lot more . Posted by: heney at December 02, 2008 09:44 PM (kj3UG) 74
I remember both Martinez and Graham, along with McCain, pretty much openly claiming that the anti-amnesty people were "nativists" and "racists" who must actually hate Hispanics. That was when I gained my thorough contempt for all three. I'm not at all sorry to see Martinez go; I wish he would go back to Cuba. The only thing wrong with white American culture pre-1965 was that it was too nice and too caring. A culture that was nastier and more self-protective would never have allowed itself to get overrun by as many low-wage, low-life Third World criminals as we have. This really wasn't a racist culture in 1965, otherwise the civil rights marchers would have been shot down en masse in the streets. It's certainly a racist culture now, though. Who ever thought we would see 95% of one racial group and 66% of the largest minority voting for someone just because of the color of their skin? That's racist as Hell to me, and whites certainly never did that in those percentages. There are plenty of racists in America. Most of them are on the left. Posted by: mac at December 03, 2008 01:46 AM (tKms7) 75
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