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Widow of Blackwater Contractor States Her Husband Should be Thanked for Providing Security; WaPo Commenters Call Him a Mercenary Thug

The word has come down that they can't malign the soldiers whom they desperately wish to spit upon. Mostly they restrain themselves from doing that (mostly), but channel their hatred towards the non-forbidden focus of hate, civilian contractors.

You know -- security guards on the most hazardous duty on the face of the earth. Protecting unarmed civilians, relief workers, diplomats, and journalists from being murdered.

Obviously they're getting what they so richly deserve.

dsrobins wrote:
Sorry it doesn't wash. Laguna, like all who work for Blackwater was a paid mercenary thug. These guys come from the dregs of our society, losers who love guns and violence and are attracted by the high salaries in Iraq. They have committed countless atrocities there, murdered utterly innocent men, women and children and accepted to responsblility whatsoever for their crimes. They are criminals who have betrayed America and always will remain so.

bama510 wrote:
Marybeth, I am sorry for your loss. I presume that since your husband was fighting for all Americans, he was fighting for my right to disagree. Well trained men like your husband are draining the military of the well trained men we paid to train. They make it possible to run an illegally "justified" war and make an obscene amount of money while doing it. I myself am concerned that since Blackwater bows to the highest bidder, and are so close to Washington that the orderly transition of power is threatened. Your husband while a good man, was a mercenary. He did not take his orders from the U.S., but from an ultra-conservative billionaire and the likes of Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney. He made a lot of money doing it. He in no way equates with the grandmother from Ohio, in the National guard who lost her life, she and those guardsmen, and all soldiers like them are heroes and to be greatly admired. They were following the orders of the U.S government and died carrying them out. Sadly there is a difference.

...

Deric1 wrote:
Dear Ms. Laguna: I am sorry for your loss, but no matter how noble your husband may have been, in many ways, the fact is that he was a thrill junkie who was being paid as a mercenary in a bad war at the time of his death. He loved to fly and to help people, but he also loved the adrenaline rush of watching tracer rounds go past his cockpit. Otherwise, he could have stayed right here in the US and flown and helped people. "Blackwater" and "hero" do not belong in the same sentence.

...

AMviennaVA wrote:
Husband was a mercenary. Pure and simple. Never glamorize the breed.

Layers.

Thanks to James W.

Posted by: Ace at 04:36 PM



Comments

1 God I hate these people.

Can it be time for the Revolution now?  Please?

Posted by: Terry at November 30, 2008 04:41 PM (GAQ/Q)

2 Aren't most - if not all - Blackwater guards former military? I guess they go from being worthy of honor to being worthy of being called losers if they choose to use their skills for a worthy cause and have the gall of being paid for it.

Posted by: Michael in MI at November 30, 2008 04:41 PM (s0Zrm)

3 I'd willingly and happily trade dozens, even hundreds of these left wing jackoffs to the terrorists to save the life of an American security contractor.

Any thoughts on how that can be arranged? 

Posted by: DrewM. at November 30, 2008 04:42 PM (hlYel)

4 I find it interesting how bama510 and deric1 have the audacity to tell this woman who her husband really was. "I'm sorry for your loss, but your husband wasn't a hero, but rather X". This coming from people who have never met this man. Brilliant.

Posted by: Michael in MI at November 30, 2008 04:43 PM (s0Zrm)

5 Almost all of the Balckwater and other civilian contractors are former military, with multiple tours (in fact, it's pretty much impossible to get hired otherwise).  They join for one of two reasons: either 1) they don't want to keep getting the shitty pay that the Army and marines handout to NCOs and enlisted men, or 2) They try to find other work, but assholes like those WaPo commentators refuse to hire them.

Posted by: DnD Dude at November 30, 2008 04:44 PM (q2VLf)

6 Many of these same people have sympathy for women who deliberately kill their developing babies out of 'inconvenience', and have nothing but scorn for men and women who choose to defend others and get paid in the process.

Unreal the 'logic' of some people in our society nowadays. They have no problem with killing, so long as the money is going to Planned Parenthood, instead of Blackwater.

And I still cannot believe that the people who hold these views just garnered complete power of all branches of our government (save the Judiciary, but their appointments will surely go through).

Posted by: Michael in MI at November 30, 2008 04:47 PM (s0Zrm)

7 Those WaPo cockgobblers aren't worthy of addressing any relative of anybody that served in Iraq.

Posted by: Captain Hate at November 30, 2008 04:49 PM (QyCAU)

8 They join for one of two reasons: either 1) they don't want to keep getting the shitty pay that the Army and marines handout to NCOs and enlisted men, or 2) They try to find other work, but assholes like those WaPo commentators refuse to hire them.

Yep, they will call them heroes and use them for political purposes to up their 'pro-troops' cred, but when the time comes to treat them as any other United States citizen looking for a job and analyze their background objectively, the true feelings and bias of these people towards military members comes forth. Despicable.

Posted by: Michael in MI at November 30, 2008 04:49 PM (s0Zrm)

9 If I choose not to differentiate between my sworn enemy ,who wants desperately to kill me even at the expense of possibly martyring himself, and dangerously naive children such as these, does that make me unpatriotic? I'm a little fuzzy on the RoE here.

Posted by: pendejo grande at November 30, 2008 04:50 PM (iMnDJ)

10 What better way for leftist traitors to unburden themselves of their true feelings about all things military?

Posted by: packsoldier at November 30, 2008 04:57 PM (zMmIr)

11 Imagine what would happen if certain groups of people started to refuse to fight for these children on the left.  Now that would be entertainment.

K

Posted by: Kestrel♠ at November 30, 2008 04:58 PM (0ry+S)

12

Sometimes I just let A.E. Housman do my talking for me: 

Epitaph on Army of Mercenaries (1914)


These, in the days when heaven was falling,
The hour when earth's foundations fled,
Followed their mercenary calling
And took their wages and are dead.

Their shoulders held the sky suspended;
They stood, and the earth's foundations stay;
When God abandoned, these defended,
And saved the sum of things--for pay.

 

Posted by: comatus at November 30, 2008 04:58 PM (n2F8O)

13 Laguna et al: Heroes
WaPo commenters: Cockholsters

Posted by: Andy at November 30, 2008 05:01 PM (B+HYX)

14 I gave up on reading the comments to WaPo and NYT articles a while back. The core readership base of both is sick, and a good reason why both venerable papers are going down the toilet. Let's flush it quickly.

Posted by: 4thn4ever at November 30, 2008 05:05 PM (XStq4)

15 I wonder if some of the commenters live in gated communities, protected by armed guards.

This planet sucks; too many shitheads.

Posted by: eman at November 30, 2008 05:07 PM (PI3vs)

16

"WaPo Commenters"

AKA the slime of humanity.

Posted by: SpideyTerry at November 30, 2008 05:08 PM (2bMvB)

17 NYT & WaPo: weak scum of the earth.

Posted by: mossback at November 30, 2008 05:27 PM (in8Vs)

18 These guys come from the dregs of our society,

Yeah, SEAL teams, Green Berets, Recon -- dregs.

Fucking idiots.

Posted by: mesablue at November 30, 2008 05:30 PM (5yNaE)

19 Sorry people. but he was a mercenary, I have 2 close friends currently doing armed contract work in afganistan, and they know their what their job title actually is. I have turned down similar work, not through disgust but because of family commitments, but if down the line I accept a contract I will know I am a mercenary, as fighting, possibly killing, for money alone is well within the realms of mercenary status.
I dont agree with the attack on the wife of this man though, they are far too eager to beat her down, such is the WaPo, but in general they have their facts in hand.

Posted by: moomintroll at November 30, 2008 05:43 PM (mYVHj)

20 Exactly right, mesablue. Go to Blackwater's site and look in the Employment section. They're not taking anyone but former Spec Ops, law enforcement, medical personnel, or those with pilot training.

If these ignorant cunts showed up to a Blackwater recruiting session, the fucking receptionist would beat them to death with a sock full of shit.

Go suck a cock, you ignorant fucknozzles.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 30, 2008 05:46 PM (xqXHx)

21

Liberals are the most self-indulgent, sheltered, dillusional, worthless people on the face of the planet. I have never met a happy liberal that's content with life and enjoys what they do. Never met one that was willing to make a sacrifice without expecting something in return.

Thank God men like this woman's husband had the courage to make these sacrifices, rather than poo-pooing concepts like courage and honor whilst jacking off to their lemming-like liberal groupthink under the guise of being 'intelligent'.

Posted by: EL KABONG at November 30, 2008 05:46 PM (0BPlb)

22 I have turned down similar work, not through disgust but because of family commitments, but if down the line I accept a contract I will know I am a mercenary, as fighting, possibly killing, for money alone is well within the realms of mercenary status.

So what's your point?  Because they're getting paid for it instead of doing the same fucking thing for next to nothing they're somehow diminished?  Or that it's dishonorable to make money for putting your life in danger in doing work which is approved by the US govt?

Posted by: Captain Hate at November 30, 2008 05:53 PM (QyCAU)

23 moomintroll,

They don't conduct war. They react.

Armed security is not mercenary work.

Posted by: mesablue at November 30, 2008 05:53 PM (5yNaE)

24

I love how they say they are sorry for her loss and then run her husband into the ground... assholes.

Posted by: espnjunkie at November 30, 2008 05:54 PM (PgqIN)

25 Training is not mercenary either, unless it's done outside of the mandate of the DoD.

Posted by: mesablue at November 30, 2008 05:55 PM (5yNaE)

26 Scary that half of our country are pieces of shit.

Posted by: Remember the Kat-Mo! at November 30, 2008 05:59 PM (s7gH7)

27 moomintroll = poseur

Posted by: Remember the Kat-Mo! at November 30, 2008 06:02 PM (s7gH7)

28 I will know I am a mercenary, as fighting, possibly killing, for money alone is well within the realms of mercenary status.

Is the security guard that just shot the guy at the Scientology Celebrity Center a mercenary, then?
The left hates Blackwater because Eric Prince is a Republican.  They should like him, because he came from a rich family and joined the Armed forces, which is something that supposedly doesn't ever happen.  So they choose to demonize him and his company.  It's easier.



Posted by: MayBee at November 30, 2008 06:02 PM (dwBUY)

29 Sorry to disagree, Ace, but there's nothing the WaPo commenters haven't already said about a member of the US military in those quotes. I spend a lot of time trolling the WaPo comments (shiver) and I've seen the troops called much worse. They haven't been saving those adjectives for contractors. The only military spouses who get any sympathy are those who begin with comments about their mate's displeasure with military service.

Posted by: Jonn Lilyea at November 30, 2008 06:03 PM (dhtNf)

30

Once again my two cents (damn, see why I can only afford Boones Wine)

I was offered a job too from Blackwater and turned it down.  The money was sweet, gear is the best, the security teams are topnotch and ultra professional but I have little girls at home and they come first. 

These guys are heros just the same as the troops, they are both doing dangerous jobs for the same cause.  I hope they come home safe and get fat paid!

The asshole liberals?  Fuck them and their hippy parents, they aren't good enough to use their blood to put a shine on Blackwater's boots.  Did I mention fuck the liberals?

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 30, 2008 06:06 PM (xz/YV)

31 MOOMINTROLL, uh, TROLL:"...they have their facts in hand..."

 WTF?

These mouth breathing cretins have their facts in hand? Just because you choose to employ you skills in a better paying scenario does not make you a mercenary. I have an extensive military background as an Army Grunt of verious flavors and I could easily have gone over to the sandbox to do intel, since the military has chosen to rehire separated military types to supplement its meagerly thin ranks in logistics, intel, transportation and a huge goldmine of maintenance functions that the military just doesn't have the folks to do...Are they mercenary as well?

You can consider yourself whatever you please, but before you apply your self-described title to someone else consider what you're doing carefully. I had a number of offers from the US Govt to go over join in the fun at the outset but I had a marriage and a career to deal with here. I never considered what I might do as being mercenary, since the term when used pejoratively describes someone who fights for money...and under whoever has that money's flag, regardless of their side of a conflict. Contractors do not act in that manner.
Looking at it from that realistic viewpoint, unless a person is willing to fight for Al Sadr, Al Qaeda in Iraq or whatever side offered the best pay, that person, being under a one sided contract is indeed a "Contractor" or person acting under such a Contract, a legal instrument. Not a mercenary. There is a difference.

Moomintroll, whatever you consider yourself, and whatever you did in the military, aside from playing Gears of War, you malign this man and anyone else who chooses to supplement the standing military by acting as a contractor, and you,sir, are a cockholster.

And definitely a Troll.

Do whatever you want, join whatever you want, call yourself the freaking Pope if you want but don't call these men what you call yourself. Let your actions speak for you and you alone.
Oh, did I mention that you're a cockholster?
If I didn't, you are a cockholster and a snatchfaced candy-ass.
There, that about does it.

Posted by: enter sandman at November 30, 2008 06:10 PM (kRtdI)

32 OH, various, not verious. My Bad.
Moom, you're a cockholster.
And an ass.
Piss ant.

Posted by: enter sandman at November 30, 2008 06:13 PM (kRtdI)

33 And for the record, Blackwater, is in my home state at Moyock, NC, and I am proud as hell they choose to train and HQ here. Go, Blackwater. Piss on the couch Generals who want to control the fight but not actually fight. Piss ant Wii Commandos. I loathe them.

Posted by: enter sandman at November 30, 2008 06:15 PM (kRtdI)

34 Pardon for hijacking the thread, I apologize.

Posted by: enter sandman at November 30, 2008 06:15 PM (kRtdI)

35 I hate to state the obvious, but:

"He did not take his orders from the U.S., but from an ultra-conservative billionaire and the likes of Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney."

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Dick Cheney somehow involved with the U.S. government? And wasn't Donald Rumsfeld, as well (at the time -- or else, why mention him)?

Or is this moron trying to draw a distinction between "the U.S." and "the U.S. government"? Last I checked, the U.S. government was democratically elected (putative President-elect Obama included). So what's his/her fucking point?

Posted by: Stumbo at November 30, 2008 06:16 PM (dPaNC)

36 Stumbo, you're right and that Troll had no point, cockholsters never do.

Posted by: enter sandman at November 30, 2008 06:18 PM (kRtdI)

37 Snatchfaced candy ass..... Nice one and very appropriately used.  I raise my glass to you sir .

Posted by: aubrey at November 30, 2008 06:27 PM (1YVnX)

38 "Sorry people. but he was a mercenary, I have 2 close friends currently doing armed contract work in afganistan, and they know their what their job title actually is. I have turned down similar work, not through disgust but because of family commitments, but if down the line I accept a contract I will know I am a mercenary, as fighting, possibly killing, for money alone is well within the realms of mercenary status.
I dont agree with the attack on the wife of this man though, they are far too eager to beat her down, such is the WaPo, but in general they have their facts in hand."

A
Mercenary concern troll?

That's a new one....


You've turned down similar work?   Really?....Really?   Ummmm...yeah, why is it I don't believe you?

You've turned down similar work?  What, somebody asked you to pretend to be a mercenary whist playing war after school?

Nice job with your story, Tommy.  It's now time for you to try 5th grade creative writing...

Posted by: Lt. York at November 30, 2008 06:28 PM (u3pgy)

39

These guys are heros just the same as the troops, they are both doing dangerous jobs for the same cause.  I hope they come home safe and get fat paid!

Did I mention fuck the liberals?


Amen.


Posted by: klrtz1 at November 30, 2008 06:57 PM (U+UDP)

40

Come on Lt. York and sandman, I'm sure moomintroll completed FEAR, Crysis, and all the splinter cells in record time.  HE SAW MOVIES DAMNIT!!

Blackwater just googled SWAT/SEAL/ninja and there was moomintroll's name (right after Christoph's)

Snatchfaced candy ass, classic, just classic! I called the cat that and he just doesn't get it. lol

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 30, 2008 07:00 PM (xz/YV)

41

entersandman,

you didn't hijack the thread. good points.

Posted by: Bob at November 30, 2008 07:12 PM (8nB5X)

Posted by: mesablue at November 30, 2008 07:13 PM (5yNaE)

43 These are the same people that hire "mercenary" security companies to monitor and provide an armed response when their burglar alarm system goes off too.  They're also the same ones who demand a full CSI investigation from the cops (which is almost universally ignored) when some stoner teen breaks in and swipes the booty from their liquor cabinet or raids their coin jar for quarters.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 30, 2008 07:16 PM (CwzFE)

44 Why thank you, I feel my work here is appreciated.
Military/mercenary concern trolls? Who the hell are they kidding?
These assfarmers can't even FAKE being military well.
Jeez, Note to the Concern Trolls, you'll get better results once you've got your head far enough outside of your own ass that you can get a gulp of fresh air. Amazing the things Ois good for.
That is all.

Posted by: enter sandman at November 30, 2008 07:16 PM (kRtdI)

45 For the record, since I have never seen anyone else use it, I hereby offer..
                             "snatch faced candy-ass"©
... as a new standard derogatory term for concern trolls of all flavors. Use it with everything like salt, it's good for ya...

Posted by: enter sandman at November 30, 2008 07:19 PM (kRtdI)

46 I'd like to beat these people over the head with a hardbound copy of Mercedes Lackey's _By the Sword_ (good fantasy novel about a "mercenary" soldier who's also looked down on by society for her calling). Though...come to think of it, multiple hardbound copies of Bujold's "Vorkosigan" series would probably be more effective. (All of these are good to read after having to deal with real-world idiotic adult children.)

Posted by: m at November 30, 2008 07:30 PM (3w70s)

47 Blackwater works for the state department in Iraq, not just for the "likes of Donald Rumsfeld". Obama supporter Colin Powell was probably signing some of those contracts.

Blackwater protects all the vips who visit Iraq, including the screechiest of the Dem congressmen who went over there with the sole purpose of finding something with which to badmouth Bush wish for political purposes.


Posted by: stace at November 30, 2008 07:33 PM (JO0c/)

48 M:
Uh, couldn't you just use one of those give away bats you get at minor league ball parks on fan night? Cheaper. Easier to hide. Easier to wipe off. and can be used to knock pesky liberals off your car in the morning so you get to work on time.
Hardbound books weigh more, so that might be something to consider.
I'll get back to you...

Posted by: enter sandman at November 30, 2008 07:37 PM (kRtdI)

49 I have turned down similar work, not through disgust but because of family commitments, but if down the line I accept a contract I will know I am a mercenary, as fighting, possibly killing, for money alone is well within the realms of mercenary status.

Hey you morons, don't be so tough on moomintroll. I think I found his resume on the intarwebs.

The details of his experiences as the "Sergeant of a three-man Rapid Tactical Force at one of America’s largest indoor retail shopping areas" are riveting.

Posted by: Andy at November 30, 2008 07:46 PM (B+HYX)

50 I remember in college writing a paper for an Economics and Public Policy class on the possibility of replacing UN Peacekeepers with mercenaries from groups like Blackwater, Executive Outcomes, etc.  Long story short, they would be cheaper, more efficient, and generally speaking actually do their job (as well as avoiding the whole drug smuggling, child prostitution/rape thing), given the track record of mercenary corporations in Sierra Leone and Angola.

Then again, this was the UN  I was talking about, and they would figure out how to screw the pooch on this one, too.

Posted by: Hoss Fuentes at November 30, 2008 07:49 PM (QWAKu)

51 I seriously wonder if these journalists even know the basic definition of terms they so casually bat around.

Posted by: DCox at November 30, 2008 07:55 PM (2pT9a)

52 My friend went to Afghanistan for a rotation.  Made fat cash, and worked on hechamacopters (his term).

Anyway, he managed to do his job, and not shoot anyone.  As a matter of fact I don't think he was even issued a weapon.  He never said they did, so probably not.  (he was an AF puke and would have whined about the weight)

Anyway that's my .02

K

Posted by: Kestrel♠ at November 30, 2008 08:08 PM (0ry+S)

53 Well, yeah, my DD 214 lists my MOS as Laundry and Bath Specialist, but that's because the shit I was doing was Top Secret. You don't just put "Snapping fuckin' necks" as your Additional Skill Identifier, sport. Fuckin' REMFs. If they had ever been in The Shit, they'd have The Stare - The Thousand Yard Stare. Good times...

But hey, when fuckin' Piggly Wiggly says we need a new AM produce manager, you don't turn your back on that shit. Besides, my two merc buddies are representin' and kickin' some towelhead ass for me!

/moomintroll

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 30, 2008 08:15 PM (xqXHx)

54 My dd 214 says I was linguist, but I secretly came to a Mall near you and transferred the Ancient Secrets of Nin-Po to the Security Rats therein so they could save you from Chechins And rampaging Midgets.
There, you're welcome.
Divulge none of this or your membership in the Barney Fife Security Club will be suspended, permanently. Otis has ears everywhere.
Mall Ninjas Unite!

Posted by: enter sandman at November 30, 2008 08:21 PM (kRtdI)

55 ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: enter sandman at November 30, 2008 08:22 PM (kRtdI)

56 Mall Ninja Security:
To Protect and Serve.
 Protect the Gap and Books a Million;
To serve french fries and a drink with every meal.

"Would you like to supersize that for just 39 cents more?" Mall Security Ninja quote of the month.

Posted by: enter sandman at November 30, 2008 08:30 PM (kRtdI)

57 I have turned down similar work, not through disgust but because of family commitments, but if down the line I accept a contract I will know I am a mercenary, as fighting, possibly killing, for money alone is well within the realms of mercenary status.

Hey you morons, don't be so tough on moomintroll. I think I found his resume on the intarwebs.

The details of his experiences as the "Sergeant of a three-man Rapid Tactical Force at one of America’s largest indoor retail shopping areas" are riveting.

My God, my God, Andy, you are a King among Men.
I read the thread @ Resume and have been laughing for the better part of an hour. I almost cried when the two Mall Ninjas started recounting stories that were straight out of Grand Theft Auto and I even had to stop reading so my ribs would stop hurting,
That was priceless.
I salute you...*Salutes* *Tips Headgear*.
I am in your debt. Take the car, it's yours. That was an absolute classic.


Posted by: enter sandman at November 30, 2008 08:35 PM (kRtdI)

58 These people use words without knowing what they mean.  You're not a mercenary if you fight for you own country.

Posted by: baldilocks at November 30, 2008 08:38 PM (KUsKt)

59 That was an absolute classic.

That has to be one of the most hilarious things I've ever read. Glad to share.

Posted by: Andy at November 30, 2008 09:02 PM (B+HYX)

60

Just kinda wanted to say that all these leftwits that take such pleasure in hating our military owe me and millions of others a BIG thank you for protecting their PRIVILEGE to be as much of an asshole as no one can stand.

  Be a fine day if they ever did.

Posted by: irongrampa at November 30, 2008 09:06 PM (ud5dN)

61 Mall ninja?

Old.

Posted by: Butch at November 30, 2008 09:11 PM (sc/kR)

62

True baldilocks, but it doesn't end there.  When I joined the army in 1993, we used to have lots of cooks to make hot meals, engineers to build hardstand housing, and truck drivers to haul beans, bullets and gas to where it was needed.  All of which were organic to their respective units.  We also used to have a lot more mechanized infantry (of which I was one) to guard these trucks full of beans, bullets, building supplies and mailbags full of letters, pogie bait and fuck books from home.  You know, morale-builders.

By the time I got out six years later, most of those cooks, engineers, drivers, and a lot of the infantry had been cut so we could enjoy our "peace dividend."  Problem was, we immediately increased our number of "peacekeeping" commitments worldwide in Haiti, Kosovo, Croatia, etc.  As a result, troops are spending months in Macedonia in a GP Small tent with a wooden pallet for a floor and eating MREs and shitty K rations because now there's no troops who build housing, or cook hot meals in the field. 

Enter the evil empire - Halliburton.  Or more specifically, it's subsidiary, Kellogg, Brown and Root.  They build the shitters, they cook the food, and they drive the trucks.  What they DON'T do is provide their own security.  And with BJ's drawdown, we have less of our own assets to guard our own logistics tail.  Now you need another evil company to pull security for the first evil company. 

What these idiots don't understand is that "mercenary" denotes a hired soldier deployed in both offensive and defensive roles.  What  Blackwater is doing is supplying security guards to a government that doesn't have enough of it's own, through it's own fault.  They may be highly-trained and well-equipped security guards, but that's what they are.

Rebuild the capabilities that Clinton destroyed in the nineties, and these cockholsters won't have to worry about mercenaries anymore, and they can get back to hating our soldiers directly, with no middleman.

 

 

 

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 30, 2008 09:12 PM (nchur)

63

This is a surprise; they are the same F#$T$%Y% who saw Marcos Kos's cheering the skinning alive of Zovko, Helvenstone, & co on that bridge in Fallujah four and a half years ago, "screw up,their mercs, they deserve what they get' and said lets make this guy a voice in our party, lets give um a column in NewsWeek on strategy. let important people post on his website. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. People couldn't see a difference between McCain and Obama, Really, how about now!

Posted by: narciso at November 30, 2008 09:17 PM (9EG7Z)

64 Don't you know that Blackwater contractors are really droids? They aren't people and their families aren't people either, they don't rate sympathy. Gah--I hate that attitude.

Isn't it cheaper to hire these contractors in the long run? While we payed to train many in a military setting, after all the overhead, bennies, BAH, medical insurance, and time in [going toward a pension], isn't it cheaper? [BAH is really a construct to keep pensions lower for the federal government]. Also, it is really difficult to cut government employees/military. Contractors can be terminated easily at the end of the conflict. Someone correct me if I'm totally off-base on this.

Posted by: TMQ at November 30, 2008 09:54 PM (aMu45)

65 Hey this is the WASHINGTON COMPOST its stinky,smelly and ful of crap and its one other news paper you dont dare put in my cage or i,ll get violent about it SQUAWK,SQUAWK,SQUAWK

Posted by: Spurwing Plover at November 30, 2008 10:02 PM (ObFiq)

66

I spent two years in Iraq working as a police advisor, which is about in the middle of the pay range for armed contractors. My pay was about double that of one of the Sgts I worked with a lot (and talked with about how much money each of us made). But then, I had to pay taxes on mine, I got no VA benefits, no GI bill, no retirement, etc.  No complaints, the terms of the contract were clear and I knew what I was signing up for, and the vast majority of soldiers I knew had the same attitude regarding their own contracts (Ooo...that's right, they sign contracts and get paid too...does that make them mercenaries?).

I don't mind somebody calling me a mercenary, because I don't consider the term perjorative, I just wish these asshats would get a clue about the real world before spouting off. Oh, and I wish I did  get paid as much as they seem to think I did.

Posted by: gebrauchshund at November 30, 2008 10:11 PM (pY77a)

67 "bama510 wrote:
...Well trained men like your husband are draining the military of the well trained men we paid to train."

And then they finished their commitments and got civilian jobs with the skills they learned off your most generous pay.

Or are they slaves once they sign at the recruiter, with no possibility or release back into the world?

Democrats:  still fighting that danged ol' 13th amendment.

Posted by: Troll Feeder at November 30, 2008 10:55 PM (iP3Ql)

68 Oddly enough; there is a statutory limit on the number of military personnel, which the Democrat controlled Congress has not deemed necessary to increase; ...

... hence actual military personnel are becoming more concentrated into the 'combat arms' branches/MOSs wherein they go on offensive ops; conversely, there is no limit to the number of civil service and contractor personnel in the 'support' lines (while experiencing similar hardships, these REMF positions are generally safer); so why not go for the pay raise...

.. while the dnc drones piss-and-moan about the 'mercs' they chose to hire.


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Posted by: Druid at November 30, 2008 11:43 PM (o/N4X)

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They do with relish - Refuse to pay them with the title of 'soldier', but will pay them if call them 'civilian', then spit upon the 'civilian' they would not pay if they had to call them 'soldier'.

Posted by: Druid at November 30, 2008 11:48 PM (o/N4X)

70 No surprise; after all, the Obamamessiah was taking money from, supporting, and endorsing the very leftist groups that were calling our troops "uninvited and unwelcome intruders", vandalizing their buildings, and publicly jeering and insulting them with the full cooperation of the Democrat Party.

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It hardly stretches the imagination to see them doing the same thing to Blackwater folks.

Posted by: North Dallas Thirty at December 01, 2008 12:02 AM (Thstt)

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I dont agree with the attack on the wife of this man though, they are far too eager to beat her down, such is the WaPo, but in general they have their facts in hand.  
Posted by: moomintroll at November 30, 2008 05:43 PM (mYVHj)

I don't think mercenary means what you think it means.

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Such compassion for a widow.  Really.

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Posted by: MDH3 at December 01, 2008 05:10 AM (hHSMt)

75 How sick are people to bash this woman's husband when she is grieving? I am grateful for anyone who is willing to work, sacrafice and excel at everything like our solidiers AND private contractors do. We are fortunate for people like this and their families. I am so disgusted at these hate-filled moonbat commentors...you guys all did a great job putting things right. Mall Ninjas - good stuff!

Posted by: freetofly at December 01, 2008 09:14 AM (uWhWJ)

76 Come on. They are just looking to unionize the O's "Double Secret Civilian Community Paramilitary Defense Force" aka, the "snatchfaced candy-ass" brigade. Why are they only making 30 bucks an hour? What's up with that?

Posted by: yakmaster at December 01, 2008 10:13 AM (d7T8w)

77 The reason that liberal media do not like private, paid military organizations is they mimic the private media's for-pay political insurgencies in overseas theaters too perfectly.

As a model for deploying 'force' effectively to shape political events, for-profit companies like Blackwater represent a direct competition to the other private, in-theatre companies that do the same darn thing, like CNN, Al-Jazeera, or the AP. The only difference between the two groups is one shoots bullets, the other trades in innuendo, libel and faked news.

Another reason for this corporate kerfuffle is, Blackwater's goal of assisting Bush's nation-building project in Iraq runs counter to its corporate competitors' goal, that of obstructing and tarnishing Bush's successes in Iraq. This loggerhead explains most of the shrill opposition among media's patrons, both those in government and out of it.

The final reason for the media's distrust of private mercenaries is purely defensive. Every day that a Blackwater successfully mimics their extra-national, for-pay "advocacy" model is another day that the media's own war-time conduct is on full display.

If I were the AP, or CNN, or Der Spiegel, I'd try to shut Blackwater down, too.

Posted by: steveaz at December 01, 2008 10:34 AM (eAUyf)

78 Any journalist who uses the word "mercenary" to describe a civilian security contractor should be fired for malfeasance.

Mercenaries fight for the highest bidder. Period. They don't have a side. If Al Qaeda put up a better offer for a mercenary, they'd take it because they're only in it for the money.

Civilian contractors, on the other hand, are US citizens who are not going to flip to the other side simply because someone on the other side made them a financial offer greater than the one their home countrymen made them.

NEWSFLASH, WAPO: THEY'RE NOT MERCENARIES. GO LOOK UP TH DEFINITION OF THE WORD.

Worthless, ignorant, lying pieces of sh*t, our press corps.

Posted by: Good Lt at December 01, 2008 10:51 AM (/OlW8)

79 Sorry people. but he was a mercenary

Look up the definition of the word, moron.

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80 I sent Mrs Laguna an email instead of commenting at WAPO. I figured maybe she stopped reading there because of the absolutely MEAN and HATEFUL commenters. The only reason I even went there was because Blackfive linked to it. I only go to the WAPO and NYT when there are links from sites like Blackfive.

Posted by: Maggie45 at December 01, 2008 06:08 PM (VTYPR)

81 They're still men, and they're still fighting for US.  The illuminati left-wing spectrum wants us to believe that Blackwater is in Iraq to make bank by murdering their way to the top, but they are men all the same, putting their lives at risk every day for the same objectives our soldiers are.

Posted by: RJ at December 01, 2008 11:39 PM (7nbTg)

82 The leftwingnut moonbats display their usual good taste and moral compass.  They hate all those who fight against their buddies and do not share their Bill Ayers view of America.

Posted by: Thomas Jackson at December 02, 2008 12:19 AM (0Qynq)

83 Sorry guys, but I still cannot drag myself into a state whereby I can say blackwater employees are deserving of honour, they are there for the money honey, and any other white noise about reasons are null and void.

I must add that I do not hate these guys, the opposite is the reality, but I am not going to try and tag words such as honour onto their job description. They are doing a job and getting payed for it, they are not serving a country here.

Anyhoo I have to return to my mall as I noticed a rather dubious band of 13 year olds, I wondering where to stick a third plate onto my back as one looks like he might be packing a slingshot.

Posted by: moomintroll at December 02, 2008 04:47 PM (mYVHj)

84

Like so many in todays society the uneducated are always the loudest.

To those who spend way to much time reading fiction magazine, and should have picked up a dictionary, Mercenary: An individual who fights for monetary gain AGAINST his own country - meaning he fights for another country.  Art and blackwater employees protect AMERICANS and work for the United States Dept of State.

Secondly: The US Military has not felt the burden of companies like blackwater.  Art RETIRED from the military and it was long after that he went to work for blackwater. If you look at history Southwest Airlines was originally made up of all fomer military from the vietnam war.  My point is simple - men and women from the beginning have always sought a second career AFTER serving our nation - unlike most on the BLOGs who sit back never having served but write about it like they have.

 

Do your homework boys and girls before you come packing opinion.

Posted by: the educated at December 05, 2008 11:39 AM (JD7ly)

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I read comments from people and sit amazed at the level of Stupidity and low intelliect. More often than not people choose to malign things they do not understand, do not know and do not even comprehend. I called these MORONS "Keyboard Commando's" because they go by the mantra "I have a keyboard but not a brain and will type anything".

Military Contractors are not bad people. They are your next door neighbors sons, fathers, brothers, husbands. When was the last time YOU turned down the opportuntity to make more money for your family in a Legally and Morally acceptable and reasonble business? Yea, thought so.

I would Venture that every single person maligning Art Laguna or Any Contractor has NEVER been overseas in combat at anywhere, anytime, anyplace. They probably couldnt point out Iraq on a map without help (if the names were blurred out). But they are "Experts" on how bad and how immoral contractors are. What they fail to remember is that even the Military has its own bad apples - remember Abu Graib.. not that I'm even thinking that was really that bad either. All contractors who provide PSD (Personal Security Detail) or actual Combat assignments are PRIOR US MILITARY, mostly Special Operations, Navy SEALS, Army SF, Marines etc. They are VETERANS - some of them, some of them have Purple Hearts from their Service to this great Country.

Military Contractors provide security to alot of people and alot of things over in Iraq and the Stan. They are out there on the front lines and they are dying just like everyone else in these wars.. and they are serving our Country too.

Liberals and Asshats, go to war and then come back and then give us all your wisdom and knowledge. Until then, shut your stupid pie holes because you are making yourselves look like MORONS.

God Bless the USA, God Bless our Troops AND our Contractors

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God bless Blackwater and President Bush and apple pie and little baby Jesus.  I'm going to go buy six guns and read my bible to show how much I love my country, then I'm going to kill some brown people because they worship a different God then me.  

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