1

If they vote with the Dems on the key issues more than they vote with the Republicans, then they need to be purged. I don’t mean one or two issues, but a sum of all the key issues should be looked at.

2 Coleman is a RINO in many respects, but he's not the backstabbing type.  He's just got a set of principles of his own.  I really don't mind him much at all.

We've certainly got worse RINOs than him.

3 I wouldn't trade a singed asshair for Al Franken. The asshair is probably funnier, too.

4 Forgetting the politics of it all in this case, consider the decency and character of the individuals. Coleman remains decent and has character. Franken doesn't and is one, respectively. What a wretched excuse of a representative.

5

Coleman definitely isn't a solid conservative, and I've been put off by his stances on ANWR, "Global Warming" and his squishyness on illegal immigration.  That said, he's probably about as conservative a Senator as we can expect in MN.

There are districts in MN where an actual conservative could win a House seat, but not so in the Senate.

This recount mess wouldn't have happened if Coleman hadn't run such a shitty campaign- MN isn't the sort of place where you can rely almost solely on negative ads.  Unfortunately that's what Coleman did and it cost him votes.

6 Well I for one would welcome a good purge.  And I'm talking about the good ole fashioned, Soviet, send your mother to the gulag purge.  But hey, that's just me.

7

Hollowpoint at November 26, 2008 03:17 PM (plsiE

I thought the election was so close because of the third party candidate.  If he hadn't run, would Coleman have received most of his votes?

8 the independence party is called "DFL-lite" (DFL is the Minnesota brand of the Democrat party) I think his votes would have split slightly towards Franken, but most of the Minnesota Dems hated Al a lot.

9

Wasn't Coleman a big supporter of John Bolton, as well as the Iraq War in general?  I don't remember clearly, but I recall really liking him at one point. 

Anyway, yeah.  Better a real Republican than a RINO, but better a RINO than a Dem, though blue dog Dems are better than normal-type Dems too.

Generally.  I mean, there are always exceptions.

10 "Coleman has occasionally earned the RINO label. Anyone want to trade a RINO for Al Franken?"

I think true-red conservatives from places like Texas often fail to appreciate "RINOs" have to win elections in places like Minnesota.

11

I thought the election was so close because of the third party candidate.  If he hadn't run, would Coleman have received most of his votes?

Probably not.  If exit polls are to be believed, Franken likely lost as many- and probably more- votes to Barkley as Coleman.  Besides, having a 3rd party candidate on the ballot isn't terribly new around here.

Exit polls are tough to interpret though.  Barkley's name was listed first, and I have to wonder how many voters who were there just to vote for Black Jesus simply filled in his oval for the hell of it.

I suspect Barkely got some votes from those who wouldn't vote for Franken, and were turned off by Coleman's steady stream of negative ads.  I don't recall seeing any Barkley ads.

12 Now, there are some people who believe we need to purge certain parts of the Republican Party

If we have a purge, can we have show trials?? With weeping confessions and demands by the guilty to be executed? Oh, please. I want to play Vyshinsky!

13

Wasn't Coleman a big supporter of John Bolton, as well as the Iraq War in general?  I don't remember clearly, but I recall really liking him at one point. 

He gave a strong showing investigating the corrupt UN (but I repeat myself) "Oil for Food" program.

14

Damn, Hollowpoint, you live in the Soviet Socialist Republic of Minnesota?

Shouldn't you be eating lye-soaked herring and bitching about free healthcare?

15

Unfortunately that's what Coleman did and it cost him votes

 

What cost Coleman votes is what cost all Republicans votes. It was called John McCain boat-anchor vs Barry coattails. The base stayed at home.

 

And guess what, it looks like Mclame is already going back across the aisle again.

16 I think there are places for RINOs..

as long as he is treated like Gimp Boy from Pulp Fiction..

I don't expect anything less than a RINO from Maine or Washington State..

17 Coleman +243 with 82% completed.

18

Damn, Hollowpoint, you live in the Soviet Socialist Republic of Minnesota?

Shouldn't you be eating lye-soaked herring and bitching about free healthcare?

Hey, I'm from the Polish/German Minnesota contingent, not the dirty lutefisk-eating Scandi population, fuckyouverymuch.  I can't remember the last time I ate a hot dog, but I have eaten enough bratwurst to stretch to circle the Earth twice were they laid end to end.  Never tried lutefisk, and probably never will.

With Winter approaching, I'll be spending my time bitching about the weather while simultaneously mocking those from warmer climates who think that 45 degrees is unbearably cold.

19 I am sticking with my original forecast.  There is no way Coleman is a senator by the end of the year.  It is way to close, they can smell it and all it will take is just a "little" fraud, you know, excusable fraud to push Franken over the top. 

20

I am sticking with my original forecast.  There is no way Coleman is a senator by the end of the year.  It is way to close, they can smell it and all it will take is just a "little" fraud, you know, excusable fraud to push Franken over the top. 

Maybe, but I'm not that worried.  This isn't Illinois, New Jersey or Louisiana- places where political corruption is tolerated with a wink and a shrug.  MN politics can get a bit weird (Ventura), but for the most part it's civil and relatively straight. 

21 Don't forget the Dems play by "Seattle Rules": Keep re-counting until the Democrat has more votes, then stop and certify the election.

22 Oh, yeah, Oil for Food.  Wow, that was a while ago.  That must've been it.  Thanks.

23

Well, you never know. Franken brought in some people from the WA Governor recount in 2004 to work for him.

Also, one of the band of Eeyores (or, are we not allowed to use that term anymore?) is bringing up the possibility of some NH race in the 70s as a possible scenario.

But, I remain optimistic. The margin is enough that the fraud may not triumph.

24 Coleman needs to win this one simply to keep Frankin out.  Frankin as a Senator would be a disaster, and I have real problems that this election was so close with all of the problems Frankin had, multiple counts of tax evasion, his Playboy "Pornorama" article, and poor decisions in the race.  Still he got the endorsements of womens groups and the Unions.  Coleman is no prize from a conservative standpoint but he beats Frankin Hands Down.  Recount the Ballots like the Minnesota law requires and then anounce the winner, and let the crying begin.

25

While making some concessions for constituencies is fine, it gets out of hand when a RINO becomes someone like Lincoln Chaffee or Chuck Hagel, losers who have not a conservative bone in their bodies and who revel in sticking it to Republicans at the most inopportune time.  McCain often falls into that same category.

Also, when we have an opportunity to get a real conservative in a seat (e.g., like trading in Specter for Pat Toomey), the RNC should definitely take the opportunity instead of supporting the RINO as they did last time.

26

Coleman has a rating from ACU of 64 in 2007 and 68 in 2006, with a lifetime of 74. That means that he started out as somewhat conservative and has gone to RINO. While that is true he is still above 50 and higher than the typical 7 or 8 rating that the really liberal assholes like “the One” got.

The time to get rid of him is in the primaries.

27 The only people they need to purge from the Republican Party are those people who have come to believe that government should solve every problem from cradle to grave. That was my frustration with McCain, he had a government solution to everything -- even when it is none of the governments business. David

28 November 22, 2008

While thousands of votes remain to be counted, a spokesman for State Sen. Tom McClintock (R-Thousand Oaks) said Friday that it appeared he had enough votes to win election to a Northern California congressional seat.

Late Friday, McClintock moved out to a 1,793-vote lead over Democrat Charlie Brown for the Sacramento-area congressional seat, with the leader's campaign estimating that there were about 4,600 provisional and absentee ballots left to be counted.

29

Late breaking news--Harry Reid is going to stick his nose in about the recount and try to brute force his way to a Franken victory. Check out Powerline, I'm too stupid to link.

I quite simply won't accept any more monkey business on this, and I've had it with the trampling on the principle of the rule of law. Though we will have to await events, I think all good men and women need to start thinking of what they are willing to do to defend liberty if we are, in fact, a nation of men, not laws, as it appears we are, and that power will be obtained by hook or by crook. Things like widespread civil disobediance and compliance with the law, for to do any less is to allow those who have no shame to rule. Raw power is apparently the only thing Democrats will respond to any more, and we should be prepared to give it to them good and hard.

"We would not seek a battle as we are, yet as we are, we say we will not shun it."

30 Ummm...noncompliance with the law. woops.

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32 Damn, how did this box full of 300 Franken votes suddenly turn up in my garage?

33

For creating Stuart Smalley Al Franken should be sent to exile, not the Senate.

Although, the Senate is sort of political exile, isn't it?

34 Any word from the Lizard People?

35 This is the first time that I can honestly say that I want a RINO to beat a Democrat.

36 the people of MN, and I mean each and every one of them should sue both Franken and Ried if they take the recount away from the people. This is bullshit and enough is enough. Sue their asses off and dig up dirty on both of them from cradle to the grave and make it public.

37 All Al has to do is promise to share the leftover speedballs from his days as SNL's candyman and he'll be in with a rush.

Although since it appears young MN Somali men are leaving the country for Jihad, his base may be shrinking...

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