1 What's better for the economy than creating more entitlements that must be shouldered by state/local taxpayers and flooding the market with cheap labor and driving down wages?

2 Do you think any of the Dems. elected are stong on border security?


In the House, we might have a few, huh?

3 McCain has said he supports only enforcement first, amnesty sometime later. If he changes his mind again back to amnesty first, fuck him.

4 Awesome. McCain's going to be looking for some payback against...er...all the people who voted for him?

5 And the hits just keep on commin!  Another 15 to 20 million uneducated citizens demanding entitlements ranging from food, medical, housing and education.  As they say, the Dems are now ready to drill....drill straight into our wallets.  USA meet Third World. 

6

Dwindling natural resources such as water, oil and gas, and forestland, unemployment near 7%, and local-county-state budgets going bankrupt, and we're about to ADD 20 million people to the public teet! Brilliant!

7 This is understandable.  No matter how bad the economy gets, the Hollywood crowd will still need to get their lawns mowed and their houses cleaned.

8 Say goodbye to McCain's transparently bs, begrudging enforcement first language. Now he get to do what he and the rest of our ruling classes want.  Will of the people be damned.
 

9

McCain has said he supports only enforcement first, amnesty sometime later. If he changes his mind again back to amnesty first, fuck him.

Its cute that you actually believed him.

I expect a nice little run around on this.  The wording will require "enforcement first" and building a fence and all that.  But they'll likely stick amnesty on some form of timetable, so they can basically defund the enforcement aspect that will make some senators feel ok about voting for it, and just let the amnesty happen.

10 Toda su base es pertenece a México!  

11 Question: Are we going to hear a peep from Jindal about this? from Charlie Crist? from any governor?

12 It wasn't enough to run a limp campaign that allowed BO to be elected.

It wasn't enough to allow the Dims to blame the FM/FM financial crisis on the Republicans and say nothing.

Now the useless old backstabber is going to let the Dims use him as point man an stunningly unpopular piece of legislation. Putting a Republican face on it.

Yay!

Does anyone really take this dried up old yahoo seriously anymore?

GOP please relieve this guy of any party positions he might hold. He's way past his sell-by date and stinking up the place.

13

If I recall correctly 70% of the people, regardless of party, opposed the last shit sandwich on amnesty. The cards and letters flooded in and it got ditched. I am hoping the same happens now except that I see conservatives being so disheartened that they may sit this one out as well.

 

This is one problem with this kind of shit. No matter how many times it gets defeated it keeps coming back. I guess we need a National Border Association” (NBA) to fight this shit every time it comes up.

 

At least we know now how long it took McLame to reach around the aisle again once the Vomit went into office. You can measure it in negative numbers. I can not believe that the asshole of the Party got the nomination.

14 The immigration problem will be somewhat alleviated by the coming depression in the US. On the downside, the depression is likely to hit the entire world economy, so immigrants will probably still come.

15

The Weekly Standard will be happy. At least until it finally dawns on them what the consequences are. Not the sharpest knives in the drawer over there.

 

16

thing is, with amnesty or not, they're coming anyway.....no one enforces the laws we already have

 

hows that wall going?

17 My Friends, please, Sen. Obama is a good and decent man.  So decent is Sen. Obama, he's going to facilitate me in achieving my goal of turning you all into cockholsters.  Oh, and Sen. Graham gets a turn, too, so don't be shy.

18

McCain probably shares the same delusion Bush does: that with a magic wand these immigrants will become Republicans.

 

They base this on the fact that most Mexicans have "conservative" family values, but hasn't the decades long experience with Blacks taught them anything?

 

With this legislation, the Democrats would become (à la Canada's Liberals) the Natural Governing Party of the United States.

19

I'll say this much for the Dems - they do their best to pay back their supporters when they win. Unlike the Republicans, who spent their years in power trying to shaft their own base.

 

20

For all you hard working Mexicans who want to come to the US legally, you just got cut in line 20 million times.

Why do unions monolithically vote democrat knowing that they are more in favor of things that undermine everything that they stand for?  Answer: because unions are there for only one reason, to graft as much money off of their members as possible.

Why do democrats clamor for a higher minimum wage and then turn a blind eye to everyone that violates it?

Any business large or small who gets caught hiring people without filing W-2s, paying under the table, paying less than minimum wage, not paying social security, not paying workers comp insurance....should lose their business license on the first offense.  They all signed a document proving that they are aware of these requirements so ignorance is no excuse.

21

there's been an agreement between (President-elect Barack) Obama and (Arizona Republican Sen. John) McCain

 

Would anyone like to place a little bet on which one of them brought this subject up when they met?

McJackass is less conservative than Obama.

22 So what exactly are the elements of this immigration reform, i.e., what are the ingredients of the turd salad?

23

Excellent. If done right, even a loss will be a victory, for the goal is to entirely discredit the political class and the legitimacy of the United States Goverment as an impartial enforcer of the law that is blind to the ethinic identities of its citizens. 

Bring it

24

the goal is to entirely discredit the political class and the legitimacy of the United States Goverment as an impartial enforcer of the law that is blind to the ethinic identities of its citizens. 

If that idea has not been discredited by now, it's never going to happen.

25 All this wouldn't be an issue if people would go out and ask "reform" proponents questions on video for Youtube. If the questions are weak it won't have much of an impact. However, if the questions are good, it will make those proponents look bad and have an impact on their careers. Most will learn their lesson.

Unfortunately, I'm about the only person who's been urging people to do that, and some people have even been trying to discourage people from asking politicians questions, for some reason or other.

26 If people really want to bring more immigrants to the US, then they'd be arguing to open up immigration to most everyone including Hungary, Australia, Brazil, Russia, and so on. 

Instead they're completely dishonest by only arguing about Mexicans.  If the US opens immigration to the rest of the world, then lets see how many Mexicans people want to hire, when the alternative is a pool of educated and possibly English speaking immigrants.

27 My friends, I want you to standup!

Stand up and fight with me!

Stand up! Stand up! And fight to depress your wages!

Stand up and fight for a permanent democrat majority!

Stand up!

Stand up and fight for a blakanized United States of America!

Stand up and fight with me!

Fight for the bankruptcy of social security, medicare!

Stand up!

Stand up!

28

Another 15 to 20 million uneducated citizens demanding entitlements ranging from food, medical, housing and education. 

That will soon be followed by Family Reunification immigration laws to bring "close family members", like cousins, in legally to spread the joy.

29 Oh, man. First they'll figure out 'this economy stuff', then immigration, then health care, and with no opposition (well, token opposition from the majority of the public). What's not to love?

"Verily, We Are Possums"

30

With this legislation, the Democrats would become (à la Canada's Liberals) the Natural Governing Party of the United States.

And our Red Tory [RINO] Prime Minister of the 1980s, Brian Mulroney, thought that he could gain the immigrant vote through abandoning entrance standards and pushing Family Reunification hoping to turn e.g. Toronto's Jamaicans into loyal Progressive Conservative voters. Twenty years later and Toronto has a now-permanent Jamaican crime problem; they don't vote much and when they do, it's for the leftists.

31

Well, there goes my state.  Guess we'll be taken back by La Raza in no time.

32 Didn't McCain lose the mexican vote???? And shouldn't every country be offered a Get Into America Free card?  Why is it that only Mexicans are allowed entrance?  Canadians can't just sneak in. 

33

That will soon be followed by Family Reunification immigration laws to bring "close family members", like cousins, in legally to spread the joy

 

We already have that law. It has been around for decades now.

34 Continuing with my points above, if anyone wants to actually do something, go to a public appearance by someone who supports the bill discussed in this video and ask them about it to their face. Get their response on video and upload it to Youtube.

If someone really presses a politician on that, it could have a devastating impact on their career and it would send a message to the others.

35 Of course the Dems want this.  Think about 20 million more votes for the dems.  They can take over all states govs and congress.  Forever.  No amen.

36 ¿Usted pasará por favor la salsa caliente?

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37

Time to march on Washington.

 

We can burn dollar bills as we go.

38 And the experts on Fox News like Fred Barnes will scream for his nomination in 2012 again.  I still can't believe this Jack Ass got the republican nomination.  In spite of his service McCain is a certified Jack ASS!

39

the left did have a point-McCain did graduate at the bottom of his class.  maybe, rather than the excuses served up by the right, he was just stupid-do his activities give any of you cause to think otherwise?

40 Hmmmmm.
Hmmmmm.

You know I've got an idea.  Now it may sound a bit silly considering the last 20+ years or so.  Particularly in the light of all that happened in 2006.  Well ... and 2007.  With maybe some 2000 and 2004 included.  I guess 2005 can't be left out and we might as well throw in 2008, 2002 and 2001 for a good measure.

But all that aside I think I've got -THE- greatest fucking idea of all time!

Let's nominate John McCain for President!!!

...

What?  Someone already thought of this?

Oh fuck me.

41

"A: We've got McCain and we've got a few others. I don't expect much of a fight at all. "

With everything in me I hope he is a trojan horse setting them up to think he is their patsy, when in reality he will stick it to the DEMs...I know there is only like less than 1 zenteenth of a fraction that this is the case...but, I SOOO hope this is true...I can't tell you how much I detest these sorry socialistic-look-down-their-nose-arrogant-piles-of-crap saying "I don't expect much of a fight at all. "   It galls...

42 si se puede!

43

"For all you hard working Mexicans who want to come to the US legally, you just got cut in line 20 million times.

Why do unions monolithically vote democrat knowing that they are more in favor of things that undermine everything that they stand for?  Answer: because unions are there for only one reason, to graft as much money off of their members as possible.

Why do democrats clamor for a higher minimum wage and then turn a blind eye to everyone that violates it?

Any business large or small who gets caught hiring people without filing W-2s, paying under the table, paying less than minimum wage, not paying social security, not paying workers comp insurance....should lose their business license on the first offense.  They all signed a document proving that they are aware of these requirements so ignorance is no excuse."

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at November 25, 2008 01:17 PM

What you said to the 10th power....

44

I'm sure flooding the labor market with cheap labor will be very popular in a time of recession and high unemployment.

On the bright side, this gives us a chance to try to split up much of the democratic caucus in both the house and senate, because many of those that won their seats in the last two years did so by running as conservative democrats, with toughness on immigration being one of their planks.  We'll see how badly they want to preserve their seats.

45 There's that 60th vote the dems have been looking for in the Senate..

46

We have just had an election. This issue of "comprehensive reform" was not brought before the people--instead it was barely mentioned. For it to be one of the first items to be brought up merely confirms me in my belief that today's reprensentatives in fact do not view themselves as representing the interests and opinions of their constituencies, but as dukes and lords who have been handed the keys to the feudal manor via election and now have all rights to rule over their little fiefdoms as they see fit. They view themselves as rulers, us as  the ruled. How else to explain the repeated occurrence of this bill which has repeatedly failed and is acknowledged by even its proponents as unpopular? Only a contempt for the people could explain an attempt to ram it down again--a contempt for their opinions, a contempt for their values of decency and fair play, and a contempt for the idea of this as a nation of laws, not of men, nor of ethnic groups.

This is not an inconsequential bill--it essentially dramatically reforms the makeup of the populace of the United States of America. It also enshrines as a high principle that certain favored identity groups will, in fact, be favored by those who make the law in ways that other groups will not, as long as they meet certain socially acceptable criteria. It does fundamental violence to the idea of a nation of citizens, Americans all, every man the equal of any other--for it will be done solely because one party finds one ethnic group to be a reliable source of votes, enabled by the fact that the forces of political correctness have used American's own decency against them by causing them to refrain from speaking up against what seems on its face logically unsupportable--approval of the wholesale rejection of rules and procedures for not the *first* time, but the *second* time--lest they be called racist.   

If the lawmakers wished to make such a fundamental decision for the American Republic they should have brought it up during the campaign season recently passed, in a manner consistent with the spirit of popular sovereignity, so that the people themselves could have a say. In this Republic, at the end of the day the people, not Harry Reid or John McCain or Barry Obama are sovereign. The political class did not bring up this issue, and therefore, having missed their chance, they should turn their attention to vigilantly enforcing the laws on the books.

Or is vigilant enforcement of the law only useful when it is done against conservative interests?

47 John McCain is the gift that just keeps on giving. The Democrats really scored big time with this guy. He should be expelled from the Republican party!

48 Miraculously, the depression and dispair that had gripped virtually every Republican over the loss of the election suddenly evaporated - replaced with uphoria.

49

"For it to be one of the first items to be brought up merely confirms me in my belief that today's reprensentatives in fact do not view themselves as representing the interests and opinions of their constituencies, but as dukes and lords who have been handed the keys to the feudal manor via election and now have all rights to rule over their little fiefdoms as they see fit. They view themselves as rulers, us as  the ruled."

This is why they hate Palin. Because some of the first words out of her mouth (at the convention) were reminding us all that WE are the employers - elected officials are voted in to represent and SERVE us. That is why they crucify.

50 It's time for the Re-Call McCain campaign to begin.

51

It's time for the Re-Call McCain campaign to begin.

Though it is a matter for the people of the state of Arizona, I personally would be appreciative. But once again, it is their concern--however, if they continually return a man to Congress who so willfully chooses to disregard the common opinion on the subject, then I can only conclude that the people of the state in general support both amnesty and the "come hell or high water" tactics that have been associated with it. I would them have to start basing my economic choices related to the state of Arizona with this point in mind, for I am truly tired of this issue and it is becoming obivous that only threatening bloody civil strife is going to put this thing to an end without a victory for the amnesty crowd. So be it, then. Where does Arizona stand?

 

52 NumbersUSA.com

free faxes to your reps on Immigration issues.... check it out

53

Are there no Republicans left in Arizona to give McCain an ugly primary fight in his re-election bid? This guy needs to get retired. I was watching his press conference today, and it was enough to make me change the channel.

54 RE #20
Any business large or small who gets caught hiring people without filing W-2s, paying under the table, paying less than minimum wage, not paying social security, not paying workers comp insurance....should lose their business license on the first offense.  They all signed a document proving that they are aware of these requirements so ignorance is no excuse.

If I am paying my employees less than minimum wage, in cash, and not filing W-2's then what makes you think I got a business license?

We don't need no stinking license.

55 I can not believe that the asshole of the Party got the nomination.

Imagine how I feel!

56 Great. Now I get to hear the esteemed AZ douchebags Kyle and McCain tell me AGAIN why it's such a good idea that I bend over and take it without so much as dinner or a lubricant: "It's not amnesty, even though the day after, all 20 million will no longer be illegal!" And why isn't it amnesty, you two freaks? "Because if they want to become citizens, they have to do all kinds of things!" But retards, they DON'T want to become citizens, and never did want that. "Exactly! And don't forget to vote for us next time!" AAAAAAARRRRGGGHHH!!!!!!

57 Mi lapiz es azul. Yo soy Carl. Feliz navidad.

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59 So, when's that immigrant bailout coming?  I'm sure they could use a big 'ol sack of money to finance their illuminati socialist support of all those people who aren't even citizens.

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