1 In other words, FM/FM is getting a bailout to keep the Democratic slime from leaking out

2 Handouts! Get yer handouts heaaaah!

Best handouts in the world! Who wants a handout? Two fer one toxic asset special!

Get yer handouts heaaaah!

3 On the plus side, the federal mortgage backers will be able to afford more loans to people who can't pay them.  Its a win/win!

4 My neighbor has a $500 billion dollar bailout and it's pretty cool.  You can do a lot with it.  He put it together in his garage over the summer.  So far he's gotten a couple of sweet jet skis and a couple of weekend getaways with it.  Pretty easy to operate and it doesn't take up a lot of space.  I have a $100 billion that he helped me put together ( I can't solder worth shit ) and it's up and running now.  Spit out some Tom Petty tickets and a flat screen with it so far.  Like I said,  it's pretty cool.

5

I'm sure the rest of the world that buys our debt is feeling just marvelous about all this shit.

I'm expecting Bernanke to unzip his mask and out pops George Soros.

6 So why did we have all that agony with Congress if the Fed can up and do this?

7

Why?

There was an election to be won.

8 I remember when the US used to beleive in capitalism.  I am glad that Freidman isn't around to see these times.

9

Question for any of y'all who are not total economic morons like me: Is there ANY.FUCKING.WAY. that this type of foolish lending on a scale this huge doesn't result in life savings of ordinary Americans (like me) being turned to shit over the next couple of years due to hyper-inflation.

I've got a 401k worth about $250k right now. But what will $250k be worth a year from now? I'm due to get a pension of about $4000 a month starting in 2012. But what will $4000 buy by then? A sack of catfood? It appears to me that the whole fucking world will be Zimbabwe shortly.

10 Wait till the millions of current taxpayers are thrown out of work in mid 2009.  They will demand the Feds bailout their lives as well.  The bailout party is just starting.  And later.......it's gunna get UGLY!

11 I can't decide which I prefer:  "The end is near." or "The end is nigh."

I go back and forth.

12

"But what will $4000 buy by then?"

You might be able to buy a Garden Weasel.

13 Today's Bailout Bingo winners... irresponsible mortgage and consumer debt holders.

Fixed that for you...

14 Somebody's got to do the stupid visual on this:

800 billion = stack of  $100 bills 30 feet x 30 feet x 400 feet high.

Glad to be of help.

15 Booosh is teh stupid!!

Gotta go. I'm ready to put on my GI Joe jammies and play Axis and Allies with Mother.

16

Ant and the grasshopper, 2008 version:

Fiddle all summer.  Take food from the ant all winter.

17 So why did we have all that agony with Congress if the Fed can up and do this?

Posted by: Retread at November 25, 2008 11:17 AM (P/AfD)

As the Honourable Senator Buzz said...you got played.

“The genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves, which make us wonder at the possibility that there may be something to them which we are missing,” former Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser once said.

18 When the soup lines start growing, knowing how to field dress a moose is suddenly going to be very hip.

19 What is the sound of two hands bailing?

20

Back when the furor started over this shit I initially thought that the bailout was needed. Then I saw that the Fed had just dumped 700 billion in the market to ease liquidity. Since the stated rationale for the bailout was to ease liquidity by purchasing those so-called shitty assets so they could be slit up and resold I saw that the bailout was not needed.

 

So they approved the bailout by disguising it in an already passed bill that was full of pork and then that helped depress the Republican vote even further. Especially since the idiot McLame had come out four square in favor of it. But wait, I know some squishy Republican will say “but the One voted for it as well so it should have been a wash”.  The answer to that is “not so”.  Communist voters are used to government funds being doled out to the “needy”. This doesn’t effect him in the least. Also, as I have stated many times, the Vomit voters would still support him if you had a video of him eating live puppies who were squealing in pain.

 

I hope all of you people who were in favor of that bailout are now wallowing in guilty feelings. Personally I am scared. I am living on a fixed income in retirement. We are about to experience hyper inflation that hasn’t been seen since the Carter years and a return to the misery index.

 

Of course the Dems will blame Bush.

21 Bear in mind that all these billions of dollars aren't simply being wheeled out of some vault deep in DC. The government is (mostly) issuing debt in the form of bonds, and buying up "assets" for vastly more than they can fetch on the open market (as with the purchase of preferred Citi shares). All this bailout "money" is really just increased borrowing from future productivity...to bail us out of a hole we got into in the first place by borrowing too much and saving too little.

You know what this economic panic has taught me? That I was a chump to save and be responsible with my money. My savings have plummeted in value, they money I have in my pocket buys less, and my future earnings are going to be heavily taxed to pay down this enormous bolus of debt.

Excuse me while I go out, buy lots of guns, ammo, and supplies, and then hide out in a cabin in the mountains.

22 Capitalism, thanks for playing. Please pick up your consolation gift on the way out. And by consolation gift, I mean a serious ass-fucking.

23

So why did we have all that agony with Congress if the Fed can up and do this?

As I understand it, the Fed couldn't do this until the first bailout was passed, because the first bailout contained the language that allowed the Fed do this kind of thing in future without consulting congress. 

24

Note that the One and Rangel both are in favor of restoring those very high tax rates on the “wealthy” by making the graduated income tax have an even steeper slope like the days of old when the Dems had solid control of congress for about 75 years. When you have that, you have a vested interest in hyper inflation. That gives you an automatic tax increase every year in the stealth mode.  That is exactly how the AMT got to where it is now needing a “temporary fix” every year to keep it from the middle class. 

 

BTW, Clinton vetoed the Republican congress repeal of that tax and then the RINOs like McLame kept them from getting rid of it during the Bush years.

25

As I understand it, the Fed couldn't do this until the first bailout

 

The Fed dumpted 800 billion on the market BEFORE the first bailout.

26 Annnnd it's time to go John Galt.  I'm not even kidding. 

27 Should be 700 billion

28 With today's announcement, I have come to the conclusion that the Economics degree I earned by working my ass off for the last six years is worth precisely jack shit.  Obviously, none of the theories, case studies, or practical applications that my professors taught me apply to this parallel universe we all live in.

If I can scrounge up a couple matches or a used lighter, maybe that sheepskin can keep me warm for a few minutes this winter.

29 In a world where former Enron accountant and all-around moron Paul Krugman is given the Nobel Prize in Economics, nothing surprises me anymore.

30 If we're very lucky it'll only be a 10 year Japanese style recession. I get the impression that they're rushing around trying to keep any of the dominoes from falling. But if one does fall, all these guarantees are going to come due and the government will either have to default or print money to cover them. So, massive depression or hyperinflation followed by massive depression.

31 Tell me what the rules are so my student loans can be forgiven. I'm game for ruining my credit rating if only I can zero that balance. It's completely worth it.

Seriously, somebody put me some fucking knowledge when the time comes and I'll go John Galt all over their asses.

32 We are headed down the Zimbabwe path; pretty soon we will be printing $1000 bills, and then $5000 bills, shit, soon we will be no better than the worst of the 3rd world countries. Idiots make me so damn angry.

33 We're fucked. 

34

What is the sound of two hands bailing? Posted by: Zen Master Tob

The sound of the MSM's hands masturbating The One, Grand Zen Master Tob?

35

And don't forget to use the $5,000 bills as toilet paper, IC, they'll be much softer than the $1,000s.

36 Dad, why did you make the American Dream inaccessible to my generation by saddling us with all this debt?

So the world would know that we're not racist.

Uhm, so feeling good about how you are perceived by others was more important to you than my well being?

That's a racist question.

37 so can i stop paying my student loans now?  b/c the last thing i want to do is send this govt any of my hardearned money, and why the hell should i be responsible anyway?  they sure as hell arent.

38

It's like watching a slow-motion trainwreck from the caboose. 

 

 

Barter economy here I come.

39 Just a gentle reminder that there is a difference between hyperinflation and inflation.  From wiki: "Formal definitions vary from a cumulative inflation rate over three years approaching 100% to "inflation exceeding 50% a month.""  During the Carter years, inflation was in the 20% range.  Thank you for your time, please continue with the food fight.

40 so where is the bailout for straight, white, handsome guys with shaved heads? 

41 if they are going to do this why not just forgive everyones credit card debt too and start over ... this is all just insane

42 So, when the Supreme Numpity shuts down the coal fired power plants, do we get to call the resulting blackouts "Barackouts"?

43 My own ignorant take on this is that the Fed and Treasury are looking at deflationary forces with the collapse in housing and commodity prices and the shut down of the shipping industry (Baltic Dry Index was down >90% in October).  Hence the massive liquidity pumping.  Since this involves inventing more money (almost all of it is never actually printed), if they overshoot then the value of the dollar collapses and we get inflation.  Hyperinflation if the collapse is catastrophic.  My own made-up guess is we will end up with inflation around 20-30% before this phase is over.  The next phase will be when the Fed tries to correct this excess liquidity by raising interest rates, aka Volcker.  Then you will see very painful unemployment numbers.  They were double digit when Volcker was wrestling with an inflation rate approaching 20%.

44 42 So, when the Supreme Numpity shuts down the coal fired power plants, do we get to call the resulting blackouts "Barackouts"?

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at November 25, 2008 12:40 PM

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45

Where do we take all the RINOs who supported Bush on the bailouts?  All the Republican legislative leaders and all the McCain go-alongs.  Where do we "re-educate them"?  With physical methods.  Only after they have felt pain, will they be fit for re-emergence into conservative society.

 

God bless the Repub rebels who voted against the bailout.  And GOD DAMN the Eric Cantor pussies who voted for it.

46 Again it seems that the strategy is to do the opposite of what was done after the 1929 crash and reflect more of what was done in 1907.  Unfortunately it appears that Obama will try to implement the policies of the 30's to this mix which will likely cause the present strategy to fail.   Its like using diseal in a gasoline motor.  

47

The millions of future unemployed....

"Oh great-one, you promised to take care of us.  You prommised to pay our rent, college loans, gas, food, and other stuff.  We voted for you, we put you in office, we demand our share.  We are broke and need money.  We are getting angry.  We are ready to take to the streets.  Oh great-one, have you reneged on your promise? "

48 One word - Venezuala.

49

TCO at November 25, 2008 12:46 PM (nfuZQ)

You can try to reeducate me physically at your peril.   

50 One thing I think should be looked at, and some other posters have mentioned before, is dealing with the concept of "too big to fail".  I've never been a huge fan of antitrust lawsuits, but I think any company "too big to fail" is simply "too big".  This certainly applies to Fannie, Freddie, AIG, Goldmann Sachs.  It used to apply to GM and Chrysler.  Once past this period, I think we should look at other areas such as Microsoft or local area monopoloies like utilities or cable. 

51 Vincente Fox, for one, is not impressed.

52

So, when the Supreme Numpity shuts down the coal fired power plants, do we get to call the resulting blackouts "Barackouts

 

You can NOT call them blackouts because that is RACIST.   The same goes for “brownouts” if all they do is reduce voltage. They are “power outages” caused by inadequate planning by the evil big conglomerate utility companies. Further indication that they should all  be nationalized like TVA.

53 "Excuse me while I go out, buy lots of guns, ammo, and supplies, and then hide out in a cabin in the mountains"

I am already headed in that direction. The economy is going south and I am going crazy. Time to go live in the woods. One last sincere apology for everyone, sorry, and I am leaving.

54

Mike at November 25, 2008 12:58 PM (GNCy6

Don't forget to bring that big box of crazy that you packed.

 

55

"...why not just forgive everyones credit card debt too and start over"

 

I got zero balances...thanks a lot!

56 Paladin - time for you to go out and spend without thought to paying it back! Max all your cards out knowing you will never pay them back. Head out to Sacramento and line up with the 9 unemployed folks who are lined up at Best Buy already so they can buy a big screen TV. Guess who is really "paying" for those?

57 My guess is that all of this money being printed won't matter a bit. You can dump as much money as you want to into the system, but if people aren't going to use it to buy crap, then it just won't matter. We're at a point in time where all components of the system are tapped out; individuals, state and local governments, large financial institutions and the federal government. We're not going to be able to spend our way out of this. The only solution is time and significant contraction while some of this debt gets paid down. Things got too hot, too fast. Think about how fast technology has advanced the last 15 years and the supposed wealth it created. The reality is that the economic conditions created allowed people to tap into home equity lines and spend their ever-growing salaries on stuff, needless stuff.... Ipods, TVs, furniture from Pottery Barn, new cars, jewelry and watches, etc.........Now that people have pretty much all the stuff they need or want and are knee deep in debt because of it, no matter how much money the Fed makes available, I just don't think people are going to bite this time around. And what are they going to buy? I think it's going to be a long and painful decade or longer. And I don't think the government really has a clue what to do and whatever they do or are doing will only prolong the agony for all.

58 Paladin 55 - same here. We're stupid.

I wonder what that amount of money would look like if it was set out in $1 bills. How much space would that take?

59 As is often the case with economics and women, a man must abandon all precepts of logic and reason and fall back upon what I would call a zen koan of dipstickery:  

It is more fulfilling to bed down a dirty, dirty cheap average-looking chick than a prudish chick of stunning beauty and trust fund opulence.

60

All this bailout "money" is really just increased borrowing from future productivity...

Not exactly. The theory is that the assets we're buying will pay off the debt and then some. Paulson said again today that he expects to make a profit on every dime he's shelling out.

And remember that the government is still the prime borrower, so we're borrowing much cheaper than we're getting back in interest. I don't want to sugar-coat it, but we may not be quite as far in the shitter as it appears.

61
I scrimped and saved to pay off my mortgage ahead of time, and save money.

I've done without in order to avoid debt and live responsibly.

I scrimped and went without, in order to put more money into my 401(k), for my retirement.

I am a fucking fool.

62

Paulson said again today that he expects to make a profit on every dime he's shelling out.

Considering Paulsons relationship with the truth, I find that troubling.

63 And now the F.D.I.C. says there are 54 banks that have been added to the troubled list. How long before the bail out comes to them/ G.E. is converting one of their G.E.Capital units to a bank and has requested about a 150 billion from the government. We are truly done if we (the people) don't start fighting back. And, fuck Mc Cain and all of those assholes that want to turn us into a third world shit hole. By the way; which country is 2nd world?

64

I scrimped and saved to pay off my mortgage ahead of time, and save money.

Then you're ahead of most people. Get serious, none of this bailout is going to help people pay their mortages.

65

I am getting where I can understand the French Revolution and the liberal (meaning frequent) use of the guilotine more each day.

Marie Antoinnette- Let them eat cake!

Revolutionary (poor man without bread nor cake)- Off with her head!

Current crop of politicians- Bailout! Bailout! Bail everyone out!

Me: Off with their heads!

66

As I've said before, the bailouts will stop when they reach me and not a moment sooner or I swear to god I will set the building on fire.

I need 189 million dollars.

Now STFU and bail me out.

67

In truth, I really DO need 189 million dollars.

To adjust for inflation so I have the same amount of worth when we're done with this...

68 Rush addressed this staggering comparison of the bailout to historical costs on his show today.  We fought WWII for less, adjusted for inflation, than we have spent on the bailout so far.

http://tinylink.com/?JZa3sJMmn1

Sobering stuff.

69 Hey can we go back in time and bail out Edsel?

That would be cool, just think of the cars we could have!

K

70

Perfectly timed: spend like a drunken sailor in a whorehouse after 5 years at sea AND practice fiscial responsiblility and belt tightening! These asshats can't even find their own ass if they had a GPS system and a map.

New plan-bankrupt the country as fast as they possibly can, THEN pick up the pieces into a dictatorship

71

everyone will get bailed out except the actual taxpayer. Time to hound our reps and demand bailouts for each and every one of us. Maybe 350 million emails every 15 minutes screaming for their blood might make them rethink. If not their blood, then their front lawn will be the location of my cardboard box I will be living in the rest of my life

72 I'm going to write every fucking member of Congress and Senate to demand my own bailout. I'm a retired Soldier with a mortgage, a disabled sister, and debt up to my ass. If those incompetent greedy mutherfuckers who run the auto industry can qualify, I sure as hell should.

73 The Federal Reserve says, "Spend all you want, we will print more."

74

Russia predicts economic crisis wil lrip U.S. apart. No shit sherlock!!

 Seems the Emperor and the Dems are trying to do just that with all the outrageous bailing out. Seriously, I am really thinking this is part of a plan, perhaps push us until we are so fed up we do something besides gripe to our Congressman.

75 @63: The terms "First World, Second World, and Third World" originally referred to political systems, not economic strength.  The "First World" nations were those that were classical liberal democracies (US, NATO members, Australia, etc.). "Second World" nations were communist dicatorships or closely aligned to them (USSR, PRC, Yugoslavia, Cuba, etc.).  "Third World" nations were those that were not in either of the other camps.  Most of them were dirt poor, but some very wealthy countries were also technically Third World.

76

Fox had a blurb on from a “financial advisor” who was knocking the shit out this latest round of bailout mania. I guess as long as Bush is still in office they can talk about it. Also, they said retired people and senior citizens are the ones being hurt by this the most.

77  

78 Cloward-Piven

79 We're going to run out of money... well the world that has been lending us money will run out of money, and then our artificially revived economy will collapse in on itself and we will a small pile of illuminati liberals underneath the ruble pointing up and saying, "It's YOUR fault for not supporting us enough!"

80
80 it is now...!

15 it was then...?

The Dow Jones Industrial Average was $11,351.30 on January 20, 2000 and is now down more than 25% at $8,420.00 in the eight years since Bush left a village in Texas without an idiot...

In the eight years that Clinton was president, it tripled. It went from $3254.00 to $11,351.30; that folks is a big plus 348%.

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