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After 12 Years, Alan Colmes Quits Hannity & Colmes
Cites Desire for New and Fresh Career Opportunities to Read Democratic Talking Points, and Desire to Spend More Time Reading Democratic Talking Points to His Family

He could read Democratic talking points like no one's business.

Morris is right -- Colmes is generally nonresponsive and nonconversational as a "host." Rather than accepting an opponent's premises and then crafting prosecutor-type questions which would exposes weaknesses in his claims -- you know, actually engaging in debate and argument -- Colmes consistently simply read off a list of Democratic talking points that more often than not were not even tangentially related to the point his "guest" was making.

Hannity is a meathead, too, of course, and it's pretty hard to move him off his prewritten talking points too.

The show had the predictably nonresponsive, nonsequitor pattern of every argument you've ever had with your SO (especially, um, if your SO is of the female persuasion):

"Dear, I'm very upset you chose to give $400,000 of my money to Nigerian scam artists."

-- "Well what about that time six years ago you canceled on coming to my parents' house at the last minute?!"

There was very little genuine debate on this supposed "debate" show. Instead, Hannity would just do five minutes of his one-sided, "Don't you agree with these points I'm reading?" radio show, and then Comes would do five minutes of his own one-sided, "Don't you agree with these points I'm reading?" radio show, and so forth for an hour.

Not sure if this is a result of the format and just getting lazy and overly comfortable with the job security the show provides or something fundamentally dunderheaded in both hosts... but I suspect the latter.

If someone who can think on the fly and actually engages in debate is nominated in Colmes' place, not only will the show be far more interesting, but Hannity will begin to have his ass handed to him, at least if he doesn't elevate his game.

The Trouble With Talking Points: Is that any news junkie, which I have to think is most of H&C's audience, has already heard all of them six or seven times (at least!) by the time H&C airs at 9 ET.

I suppose a fair fraction of the audience gets its political spin from H&C for the first time when they tune in, but even so, do the same points have to be read every single night?


Update: Hot Air updates to say Fox is leaning towards Hannity solo.

Allah asks, "Do you really want Hannity's America five nights a week?" Eh, hate the title (it's your America? Really?), but the couple of episodes I saw were decent red meat with a fair amount of thoroughness in summing up the case they were making. In other words, far better than Hannity & Colmes.

True, this makes nonsense of Fox's "fair and balanced" slogan, at least at night, but then, that's what MSNBC is doing, and CNN and the networks do it too, quite frankly.

The Difference Between Rush and Hannity, and Rush and O'Reilly: A very long time ago -- like when I was a kid, and Dan Rather was just replacing Walter Cronkite -- I read in TV Guide an analysis of how the two men presented themselves.

Rather had always strived to portray himself as a hero -- concerned, daring, crusading. Cronkite, on the other hand, had (mostly) cultivated a chillier, more distant persona.

Is that true? I don't know. I never watched Cronkite. I do know that Rather definitely did try to sell himself as a News Hero.

Limbaugh avoids (mostly) the self portrayal of hero via the distancing lens of irony. His boasts are so over-the-top they're funny (and meant to be). He undermines his own authority by poking fun at it, which has, as it turns out, the probably intended effect of increasing his authority.

On the other hand, Hannity and O'Reilly deliberately set out to portray themselves as heroes. O'Reilly's always famously "looking out for the folks" and "on your side." Hannity indulges too much in earnest caring and all-around good-guyism.

It's a bit too much, at least for me. It's oversold.

I prefer the self-mocking irony of a Limbaugh rather than the earnest crusading of Hannity or O'Reilly. O'Reilly does himself some good by noting his outsized ego, but then takes three steps back by his constant pose as Brave Defender of "The Folks." There's just too much transparent selling of himself along with selling of whatever position he's ranting about.

Limbaugh's selling himself, too, of course -- but doing it in a much cagier reverse-psychology sort of way. It goes down easier. I just can't listen to people always trying to sell me on what terrific guys they are.

Colmes Smarter Than Hannity? So one reader asserts. I don't think so.

I don't believe Colmes is any smarter than Hannity, and I think he might be a bit dumber.

Colmes self-characterizes himself as intellectual; Hannity doesn't. I think that's the only difference.

Colmes has as much claim to the intellectual label as a ficus. But that's never stopped anyone on the left before.

I think an awful lot of what is taken by the left to be the right's "anti-intellectualism" is in fact really anti-faux-intellectualism. I've never heard a conservative put down Thomas Sowell for "being too damn smarty-pants." Same with Hitchens, when he was on our side. Or even Andrew Sullivan, back when he was mistaken for 1) a conservative and 2) an intellectual.

"Intellectualism" is a pose favored by the left, a preferred method of self-characterization mostly unsupported by the facts. It's not intellectualism per se most on the right object to, but this pose of it, and furthermore, this unjustified equation of intellectualism to left-liberalism.

Some on the right are actually anti-intellectual, full stop, of course. But then, they've got those on the Democrat side too. All those bitter, clingy gun-hugging Jesus lovers in Pennsylvania, for example.

Posted by: Ace at 03:19 PM



Comments

1 They'll just find Kirsten Powers or some other libtard reader for the John Podesta talking points.

Posted by: AGR at November 24, 2008 03:21 PM (r8a5Z)

2 I'm just happy he is leaving - what a knucklehead and creepy to look at..some days I do wonder if he is actually a zombie

Posted by: IC at November 24, 2008 03:21 PM (jZNCU)

3 I will not miss Colmes.  What a dope.  But you're right about Hannity, too.  His radio show is just as bad as the TV show.  It's a broken record and last Tuesday's show sounds just like the previous Tuesday's show, sounds just like the Tuesday before that.  Ugh.

Posted by: pistolero at November 24, 2008 03:24 PM (QuCVu)

4 Hannity's heart is in the right place, but good gosh, if you've seen or heard just one of his shows, you've heard them all.

Conservatism for retards I guess.

Posted by: dave at November 24, 2008 03:24 PM (Xm1aB)

5 We need a replacement somewhat to the right of Colmes. I nominate V.I.Lenin!

Posted by: chuck in st paul at November 24, 2008 03:25 PM (jDpso)

6 Even though I am repulsed by him, James Carville would be a good replacement for Colmes. Carville, at least, has energy and enthusiasm and -- strictly from an entertainment perspective -- it would be fun to watch the show again. I agree though, that Hannity doesn't exactly bring his A game to the show.

Posted by: sassypants at November 24, 2008 03:26 PM (tjb4v)

7 I vote for Kirsten Powers as a replacement. Smart and fun to look at.

Posted by: robtr at November 24, 2008 03:28 PM (uJzOr)

8

That show is only slightly less organized than a cafeteria food fight.  Zombies come on and recite talking points.  They think debate means interrupting or shouting over somebody.  Questions get answered by recitation of other talking points.  Is that Beckel guy really alive?  How can some of those androids talk so long without inhaling?  Why would anybody give an audience to those Malik Shabaz/Curtis Sliwa types in their clown suits?

I have long since stopped watching.  The only way to get me back would be a duel between Sean and Alan.  Shotguns at 20 paces would be about right.  Or a striptease contest between the Dem and Rep babeguests.

Posted by: MarkD at November 24, 2008 03:29 PM (MMy4A)

9 Hannity has an "A" game. Don't believe I've ever seen or heard it.

Posted by: Farmer at November 24, 2008 03:29 PM (4qeM2)

10 In his defense, Colmes seems a decent sort of guy. He doesn't usually engage in the kind of personal invective characteristic of the lefty establishment. That said, he's otherwise pretty much a waste.

I can't watch H&C because it's so frustrating that Hannity won't allow a guest to answer a question. Ever. O'Really is almost as bad, but he will occasionally let a guest complete a sentence.

Posted by: Bugler at November 24, 2008 03:32 PM (YCVBL)

11


How about Leo Terrell? He might be enough to force Hannity back to Atlanta or whatever rock he crawled out from under.

Up on a hard break here...gotta run,. great American,.

Posted by: Sen. Rev. Dr. E Buzz at November 24, 2008 03:32 PM (UgEoa)

12

Fox’s entire fair and balanced shtick is nothing more than a Dem and a Rep both firing off their talking points and nothing is answered. One can find the same thing by going to the party web site and reading the issue talking points. Even before they started kissing Obama’s ass by direction from Roger Ailes I gave up on this type of point-counter-point.  The only one left on the show who consistently actually asks questions is Neil Cavuto and he sometimes wimps out as well.

 

So why do they do this? Its cheap and the news reader doesn’t have to know anything. The other networks do it also, its just that they always seem to get a squishy Republican to debate the Dems.

Posted by: Vic at November 24, 2008 03:33 PM (Qd7GC)

13 Somebody on Hot Air suggested Megan Kelly vs. Kirsten Powers. I added that they should settle their differences in a pool of baby oil. Personally I think this would be (as the kids say these days) EP1C W1N!!!!1!!!1!!!ELEVEN!!!.

Posted by: ErikTheRed at November 24, 2008 03:33 PM (erlfI)

14 I just thought of another replacement for Colmes -- the oh-so-annoying Eleanor Cliff. Not sure if that's how one spells her name.

Posted by: sassypants at November 24, 2008 03:34 PM (B3k79)

15

I can't stand either one of them, both are equally annoying.  As someone has already said though, at least Hannity's heart is in the right place.  I guess.  Still annoying to listen to though. 

Well at least we don't have to worry about either them appearing in a nudey calendar like Chubby Mikey.  Thank God!!!

Posted by: John at November 24, 2008 03:36 PM (nAxsL)

16 Sour grapes. Those who can, have radio/television shows. Those who can't, bitch on blog comments. Seriously, I don't see anyone offering any of you gazillions of dollars for anything.

Posted by: Perry Mason at November 24, 2008 03:38 PM (DIMIi)

17 Thank God - I thought I was the only one here who thought Hannity was a knucklehead.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 24, 2008 03:38 PM (yc/ct)

18 That's a pretty impressive run for those old 1996 model robots. The 2009 models look more human, modulate their voice better, and can actually engage conversation, so expect the show to improve.

Posted by: FreakyBoy at November 24, 2008 03:38 PM (4s1it)

19 sassypants, Not that I take any pleasure in knowing this factoid but it's Eleanor "Can I Finish?" Clift.  Mercifully her almost equally irritating husband died to be away from that harpie.

Posted by: Captain Hate at November 24, 2008 03:38 PM (m2sQh)

20 I do enjoy Ann Coulter's dismissive manner with Alan.  She's like He-Man to Alan's Skeletor. 

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at November 24, 2008 03:43 PM (n2eCn)

21

Never been a big fan of the H&C show, mostly for the reasons commenters have already stated. I'm sorry, but most of what comes across as "conservative" talk radio/programs these days is pretty dumb....I actually get embarrassed when I hear the Savages, O'Reilly's, etc. I know its good theater but they ain't exactly winning any converts. just perpetuating a stereotype.

Need a few more W.F Buckleys....eloquently state your case and verbally eviscerate your opponent.

 

Posted by: Nico the Magnificient at November 24, 2008 03:44 PM (51ePm)

22

I think the replacement will be Bill Clinton.

He'll just do a half hearted defense of all the domestic stuff Obama does, but then will defend exceptionally well anything haveing to do with Foreign Policy, except those things that don't work, which he will then disassociate Hilary from.

Good Times.

Posted by: headhunt23 at November 24, 2008 03:46 PM (OMCBg)

23

How about Shepard Smith? He's just as retarded. That clears the way for Julie Banderas to take over his gig.

Posted by: 3rd_Bird at November 24, 2008 03:47 PM (oIbFB)

24 Susan Estrich.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at November 24, 2008 03:48 PM (rWvvO)

25

Ace,

You're so right about this.  Hannity is a pompous prick with a good feel. A Rush wantabe.  Colmes is just window dressing.  He is so abrasive that you want to hit the TV.  He obviously is NOT as stupid as he appears on the show, but he plays the put out Joo pretty well.

Remember, IT'S A SHOW!  Like professional wrestling. 

Give us an hour of Megyn!! 

That is what will kill O'Reilly's populist Bull Shit.  She is smarter than all three of these dickheads combined

Kemp

Posted by: kempermanx at November 24, 2008 03:49 PM (2+9Yx)

26 Colmes was so frustrating I stopped watching.  "I know you are but what am I" gets boring around the tenth time in one show.

Posted by: PJ at November 24, 2008 03:51 PM (FG8qn)

27 you're a great american

Posted by: that guy at November 24, 2008 03:52 PM (zl17B)

28 Replace Hannity with Michelle Malkin.

Posted by: Naqamel at November 24, 2008 03:52 PM (UMwMT)

29 So long, Skeletor.

I watched it for a month or so during the primaries and debates, mostly for the guests, Karl Rove and Dick Morris and whoever else. If you catch Hannity on the radio for 20 minutes during the day you have 99% of the content of H&C covered, plus you get to skip Skeletor's talking points.

Although Skeletor getting absolutely eviscerated by Dick Morris during one of the debated and owned another time by Tito was amusing. Hannity is smart enough he can answer question, just listen to his radio show and occasionally there are callers who ask outside question and he's able to rail them in, but I don't think I've ever seen Skeletor off his talking points.

-e.p.

Posted by: e.p. at November 24, 2008 03:53 PM (7AWUR)

30 Not sure if this is a result of the format and just getting lazy and overly comfortable with the job security the show provides or something fundamentally dunderheaded in both hosts... but I suspect the latter.

Embrace the healing power of 'and'.

Posted by: Barocrates H. Yomama at November 24, 2008 03:53 PM (uiKEv)

31 Colmes =Fey.
Like a scared cat in public. strange
Anyone ever listen to his call-in show before Fox gig?
Pathetic..but fun when regulars would berate him.

Posted by: sickinmass at November 24, 2008 03:55 PM (/i4dU)

32 What I dislike the most about H&C is the collegiality, as though the two have a gentlemen's agreement never to confront each other directly.  Hannity always lets Colms get away with the most egregious "Bush lied, people died!" bumpersticker slogans without contradiction.  It would be greatly improved if Hannity, once a show, would bellow "Shut the fuck up, you shitstain!" and lean over to belt Colmes in the mouth.

Posted by: Steve Skubinna at November 24, 2008 03:57 PM (Vcyz0)

33

Colmes is an idiot. Never answered a question, rather just posed an off topic question as a response to any question or comment made to him so he didn't have to anwer. It was embarrassingly ridiculous how he didn't havea leg to stand on to defend his talking points. "boob" is to nice a description for him.

Guess he figured he did enough ass covered and butthole licking the entire campaign and there will be greener pastures in the O Propaganda network. Sorry Alan, there are enough asslickers in MSM, CNN and NYT, they don't need you, they got the whitwash and sweeping under the rug covered

Posted by: Sarah G. at November 24, 2008 03:58 PM (B/Y39)

34 I watch H&C when they have a good guest on. But if Fux News wants me to watch, they have to put on a lib-babe. The bigger titties the better.

And low cut silk blouses, yea baby.

Posted by: Mike H at November 24, 2008 04:00 PM (1V2sa)

35 As further proof on my sick attraction to crazy eyed liberal babes, I think that Susan Estrich is teh hawt. 

Posted by: toby928 at November 24, 2008 04:00 PM (PD1tk)

36 A typical H&C show goes something like this:

Hannity:  Congressman Murtha, before we discuss the details of the bailout, do you categorically denounce the attacks on British merchant marines in Canary Islands in the 19th Century?

Murtha:  Um, that's a bit off topic.

H: So you are avoiding the issue.....

Colmes: But Congressman, you supported the decision to invade Afghanistan after 9/11. 

Posted by: cadetwithchips2 at November 24, 2008 04:00 PM (PoUlE)

37

Yeah, Hannity spends 75% of his show on "Coming up next!" "Great American" "Freedom Concert" and the rest on commercials. Rush gives you quality for his whole 3 hours.

Alan always seemed like a light-weight compared to Hannity, and I think he got tired of being second fiddle. Part of that TVNewser blurb was that Colmes wants a weekend show, probably along the lines of Hannity's America.

Hannity isn't a thinker. He reads his talking points and that's it. He's just following the talking head template. Get a radio show, then a book deal, then TV, and endlessly self-promote. Get rid of Hannity and put Mark Levin on. That guy is great "You're a moron" "Get the hell outta my country!"

Posted by: Iblis at November 24, 2008 04:00 PM (9221z)

38 I feel sorry for the guy, way out of his depth. Colmes is PBS material if there ever was any. His worst feature though was defending EVERYTHING on the Dem side.
From Nutroots to the DLC. Nobody is for EVERYTHING in a party. Nobody.

Posted by: Rocks at November 24, 2008 04:01 PM (Q1lie)

39 now who's gonna jump when Hannity sez:
"Hey Colmes! Make me a sammich. Now!"


Posted by: Frank G at November 24, 2008 04:02 PM (P0rQD)

40 BTW: The Megyn Kelly and Kirsten Powers Show.  Call it "Insanely Hot Debate" or something.

Posted by: Barocrates H. Yomama at November 24, 2008 04:03 PM (uiKEv)

41 FOX needs to start combing the obscure late night classic rock radio hosts and construction site dwellers for the next two millionaires to read to bored people for the next four or five years before they wake up and start clicking-- the cycle continues--Roger knows what the sleepy brained want.  Oh, and you're a great American for listening to a radio.

Posted by: Paul Begala at November 24, 2008 04:06 PM (avVo/)

42 How about Pat Buchanan and Michael Kinsley? I wonder if they would be able to do something like this.  Probably not.

Posted by: guy who knows nothing that happen before 2001 at November 24, 2008 04:16 PM (m2CN7)

43 I do have to say that I will miss Newt slapping Colmes around every week, smirk never leaving his face.  Colmes was a child, good riddance.

Posted by: Toad at November 24, 2008 04:17 PM (kOQDM)

44

Colmes is smarter than Hannity, but that's not hard.  Hannity has a habit of only using the 5th most powerful argument to make a point - the other 4 obviously escape him.

KP is smarter than either, and quick on her feet.  She is also not entirely doctrinaire and will concede a point now and then to preserve her credibility.  Although she's clearly a Hillary chick, the fact that she's from Alaska and has a bit of an ornery streak made her give Sarah Palin a fairer shake than the rest of the MSM.

Posted by: Holdfast at November 24, 2008 04:17 PM (Gzb30)

45 I have to go now. My planet needs me.

Posted by: Alan Colmes at November 24, 2008 04:22 PM (k7SeR)

46 No replacement needed.

Instead, on Allan's last show, have him and Sean fight to the death. 

Then, Megyn Kelly kills the winner and consumes their heart.

Posted by: AndrewGurn at November 24, 2008 04:24 PM (BX9uS)

47 It doesn't matter to me what Fox does. UNtil they get off this ass kissing mode they are shunned.

Posted by: Vic at November 24, 2008 04:24 PM (Qd7GC)

48 I don't believe Colmes is any smarter than Hannity, and I think he might be a bit dumber.

Colmes self-characterizes himself as intellectual; Hannity doesn't.  I think that's the only difference.

Colmes has as much claim to the intellectual label as a ficus.  But that's never stopped anyone on the left before.

I think an awful lot of what is taken by the left to be the right's "anti-intellectualism" is in fact really anti-faux-intellectualism.  I've never heard a conservative put down Thomas Sowell for "being too damn smarty-pants."  Same with Hitchens, when he was on our side.  Or even Andrew Sullivan, back when he was mistaken for 1) a conservative and 2) an intellectual.

"Intellectualism" is a pose favored by the left, a preferred method of self-characterization mostly unsupported by the facts.  It's not intellectualism per se most on the right object to, but this pose of it, and furthermore, this unjustified equasion of intellectualism to left-liberalism.

Some on the right are actually anti-intellectual, full stop, of course.  But then, they've got those on the Democrat side too.  All those bitter, clingy gun-hugging Jesus lovers in Pennsylvania, for example.


Posted by: ace at November 24, 2008 04:26 PM (8T2pi)

49 I agree with Allah: make it Hannity alone, in the "Hannity's America" format  -- with Megan Kelly helping the filmed narrative. The less talking points -- from either side -- the better.

Posted by: JBean at November 24, 2008 04:28 PM (lp282)

50 I've added some noodling in updates, if anyone cares.

Posted by: ace at November 24, 2008 04:28 PM (8T2pi)

51

They should just have some kind of roundtable discussion with three people on each side capable of deviating from boring talking points. Line up Thomas Sowell, Jonah Goldberg and Victor Davis Hanson on one side and whoever you want on the other and have at it. It wouldn't have the mindless yelling and drooling that makes for cable news, but it would be informative. Have that Peter Robinson from Uncommon Knowledge as the moderator, he does a good job.

Posted by: The Oort Cloud at November 24, 2008 04:28 PM (nOQXA)

52 if you're not going to have genuine debate, I think it's better just to do a partisan show where you can go a little deeper than the bullet-points.


Posted by: ace at November 24, 2008 04:29 PM (8T2pi)

53 Hannity seems like a hail fellow well met, but he is not a deep thinker. Someone once compared him to one of those dolls where you pull a string and the same few phrases randomly come forth.

Colmes just uses many of the standard techniques of disinformation like straw men and red herrings, so he's tedious at best; buh-bye Skeletor.

The best part of the show is when they get guests like Malkin, VDH, Bernie Goldberg, Newt, and even some Dems, like Liebs and Harold Ford. I started boycotting both O'Reilly and H/C when they regularly featured that race-baitng POS Sharpton.

Posted by: muknee at November 24, 2008 04:33 PM (VVqWx)

54

My wife calls shows Hannity and Colmes, "yelling shows."

I used to watch stuff like H&C and Crossfire regularly, but finally realized that they're utterly pointless. It's literally impossible to "win" an argument in this format because moderates/undecideds/low information voters don't watch this stuff.

It's just one big circle jerk. The arguments, such as they are, aren't even interesting or novel.

Posted by: Warden at November 24, 2008 04:41 PM (QoR4a)

55 I detest these "debate" shows.  It generally comes down to who can talk loudest and fastest without giving the other side a chance to complete a sentence.  It's Jerry Springer without the sex. 

Posted by: Reiver at November 24, 2008 04:44 PM (oliA4)

56 Colmes is leaving? What, is it molting season?

Posted by: OregonMuse at November 24, 2008 04:58 PM (FO+YO)

57 Isn't Colmes one of the lizard people? I fully expect him to show up in Minnesota to support Al Franken.

Posted by: OregonMuse at November 24, 2008 04:59 PM (FO+YO)

58

I, for one, love the fact that Hannity's radio theme is about a woman talking to her daughter as she's heading off to jail for killing her abusive husband and father of her child by setting the house on fire while he was drunk.

Irony.  Like rain, on your wedding day.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at November 24, 2008 05:02 PM (8WOzU)

59 Is that true? I don't know. I never watched Cronkite.

I first encountered Cronkite when he was doing Prudential's The Twentieth Century and he was doing voice-overs for WW2 films and such.  He was very much the disembodied voice providing a narrative that was very unemotional.  I think most viewers got the idea that he was a straight-shooter which is why he was picked to do the CBS News, at which point he stabbed the nation in the back regarding Viet Nam.

Posted by: Captain Hate at November 24, 2008 05:16 PM (m2sQh)

60 Colmes is PBS material if there ever was any. His worst feature though was defending EVERYTHING on the Dem side.

There's a hilarious piece on the old, sadly defunct Wuzzadem blog that riffs on this point. The piece is a "transcript" of Hannty coming out against obviously evil things like terrorism and child molesting and so then Colmes is forced to defend terrorism and child molesting. Funny stuff.

Posted by: OregonMuse at November 24, 2008 05:29 PM (FO+YO)

61 bumperstickerist, what's ironic about that?

Is Hannity a wife beater?  Is he opposed to killing wife beaters?

Maybe I'm missing the point.  Hannity is still a douchebag, though.  Man is he a douchebag.

Posted by: Shill at November 24, 2008 05:39 PM (8jYMc)

62 ace, if you think a partisan show would be better than a debate show, why not have two partisan shows?

A Hannity half hour, and then a 'Liberal' half hour.  They can bring guests if they want, or provide their argument in any way they like.  Alternate who goes first, and cover a different policy each day.

Of course, that wouldn't be flashy and exciting enough for Fox's rather annoying concept, but it would be a good way to be informed.

Posted by: Shill at November 24, 2008 05:48 PM (8jYMc)

63

"Intellectualism" is a pose favored by the left, a preferred method of self-characterization mostly unsupported by the facts. It's not intellectualism per se most on the right object to, but this pose of it, and furthermore, this unjustified equation of intellectualism to left-liberalism.

There is one other tack to be had on anti-intellectualism. It is that people of lesser education but greater experience are actually more capable than the vaunted professors.

I believe it is also more common to equate more degrees with more IQ. A bearer of Phd must be smarter than a  bearer of a BS, no? No.

Posted by: kidney at November 24, 2008 05:53 PM (QAdII)

64 Heh:

http://wuzzadem.typepad.com/wuz/2005/03/hannity_colmes_.html

Posted by: Hannity's NutSack at November 24, 2008 05:55 PM (ynsah)

65 Grrrr:

Heh

Posted by: Hannity's NutSack at November 24, 2008 05:58 PM (aTZaE)

66

In fairness to Colmes, he does pretty well for a giant lizard that someone taught to walk erect and wear unflattering suits.

I think Hannity is a poor debater, and relies almost exclusively on being  combatative. Colmes, however, is pathetic; he just rolls out talking points and "But what about Republican X"isms until I want to reach into my television and break his skinny neck. He also showed a real nasty asshole side regarding Sarah Palin, but then I guess most liberals showed their true colors with her. I think Fox should get a smarter liberal and conservative and the show might be watcheable.

Posted by: UGAdawg at November 24, 2008 06:08 PM (MDHAs)

67 Yawn. Who cares? I only watch Fox when,.....oh yeah-never...

Posted by: JS at November 24, 2008 06:09 PM (+ZR+R)

68 Seriously, how can any show that "pits" a liberal against a conservative be anything but un-watchable? Liberals are wrong about EVERYTHING, and are not rooted in reality. ALL "debates" with a liberal end up as shouting matches, since they normally lose on actual points no more than 2 or 3 moves into it.

Posted by: JS at November 24, 2008 06:13 PM (+ZR+R)

69 I'm not "anti-intellectual" as much as I just don't care that someone is supposed to be one.  Anyone can say something smart and anyone can say something stupid.  I'll wait to hear it before I make up my mind which it is.

Don't tell me you are an intellectual. Either show me the goods or STFU.

Posted by: right at November 24, 2008 06:32 PM (EquV1)

70 ace: "I suppose a fair fraction of the audience gets its political spin from H&C for the first time when they tune in, but even so, do the same points have to be read every single night?"

Considering the results from Zogby and YouTube, yes. Yes they do. Does it get tiresome to regular viewers? Sure, but redundancy is an absolute to get through our attention-addled minds - even to the occasional Lefty viewer who wanders by. Also, it's best to keep the "debate" to five minutes or less lest we doze off or get trigger-happy remote control fingers. Haven't you noticed the formula yet? It's all by design, yet somehow the public remains alarmingly ignorant.

Face it. People is dum. And diverted by life. But mostly dum.


BumperStickerist: "Irony. Like rain, on your wedding day."

I'm thinking the operative word isn't irony as much as foreboding.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at November 24, 2008 06:34 PM (sI5Ho)

71 Howard Wolfson or James Carville would makes things more interesting. I like KP, but we need someone who can balance Sean. He really does need to step it up. The show is incredibly boring right now.

Posted by: Hurting Head at November 24, 2008 06:42 PM (yW/Al)

72

I can't stand to listen to Hannity for very long. He's so strident, didactic and self-righteous that after he has hammered home the predictable talking points, there's nothing to be gained by listening any further.

With Limbaugh things are different. Almost 20 years ago a friend of mine told me I sounded like that radio DJ Rusk Limbo. I had no idea who he was and, since he was on AM, I didn't hear him for the first time until about 2 years later.

Posted by: CozMark at November 24, 2008 07:01 PM (Pk0V9)

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The problem with 'intellectual' as a claim, as that many are getting it wrong.  Esthetes, people who have a vast amount of knowledge on an obscure subject, they claim that they are 'intellectuals', and that their opinion on every subject ought to to take priority.  That is the problem.

It is trying to transfer reputation in one field, expertise in one area, to expertise in all areas.  The opinion of the self-described intellectual is to be given weight outside of its expertise.  As Bill Whittle noted, Albert Einstein was a genius at physics, but asking his advice on sartorial matters would have been next to useless.  So-called 'intellectuals' should be listened to where they are expert, but not in other areas.  I would listen to Justice Scalia when he speaks on how to write a legal brief, but on how to frame a building I will ask a carpenter.  There is a reason that 'know-it-all' and 'smarty pants' have become cliches and insults.

"Cobbler, stick to thy last."

Posted by: Mikey NTH at November 24, 2008 07:06 PM (TUWci)

74 If I wanted more high brow, I'd switch on Jim Lehrer. H & C are more entertainment. Colmes is a dolt, and seems hapless most of the time.
Hannity is okay. The public is so stupid his hammering things home has to help get through to a few.

Fox is the only cable station that can be depended on to provide both sides to news events. It does lean right, but they commit to fair and balanced, and are by all measures.

Posted by: Sarah Becker at November 24, 2008 07:15 PM (C3qa2)

75 "The problem with 'intellectual' as a claim, as that many are getting it wrong.  Esthetes, people who have a vast amount of knowledge on an obscure subject, they claim that they are 'intellectuals', and that their opinion on every subject ought to to take priority. That is the problem."

Yes.

It's always fascinating to listen to those with a megaphone, aka journalists, preach on their soapbox of intellectualism. Every one of them knows just enough to be dangerous, some more dangerous than others. Read a few bullet points and insert some opinion and voila, "expertise."

Most are dumber than dirt except on the art of presentation. It is there that I'll give them the kudos. If such things matter, then they'll have provided a service. As to their knowledge, it's enough to fit on a napkin.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at November 24, 2008 07:17 PM (sI5Ho)

76 I'd take Medved or Levin (dunno how to spell his name, could be Levine). Listen to Medved driving home every day, he is incredibly well informed and takes mainly hostile callers (well over 50% of the time) on his show, just to keep things interesting. Talking points, he don't do those.

Agreed that Spawn Crammity is a doofus- an on our side doofus, but a doofus nonetheless.

Still and all though, the hot chick debate option is by far the preference. And that  DOES NOT include Eleanor "so ugly you'll jump off a" Clift.

Posted by: chitown babbler at November 24, 2008 07:28 PM (BEFrY)

77

Mark Levin vs. just about any lefty.  The man is razor sharp, listens to his counterpart, and shreds their arguments unless they become nannering talking point robots.  Then he does the right thing and tells them to shut up and get off the show.

Posted by: pistolero at November 24, 2008 07:49 PM (m9n7Y)

78 This is like a debate about favorite foods or music: for some reason only God knows, some people actually like corn dogs.

Limbore: Horrible delivery, plus superficial knowledge/ analysis (He knows he knows nothing as evidenced by the lack of guests. He would end his career trading "knowledge" with an informed guest. But hey, he has as many zombies following him as Barry does. Go figure)

Hannity: A car alarm/ superficial

Ingraham: Another car alarm/ no sense of humor/ superficial

Agree with #76 re: Medved. Don't agree with everything he says (immigration-I suspect he owns a company or two that rely on illegals to keep overhead down), but he is definitely something of an historian...

Posted by: JS at November 24, 2008 08:08 PM (+ZR+R)

79 Gee, I wonder who they will get to replace him? I dont think a woman will work. Needs to be a guy. How bout Olbermann?? just kidding.What lefties are out there? I think Alan wants to start a family with his lovely bride Monica Crowleys sister.....

Posted by: josey at November 24, 2008 08:25 PM (SjAvA)

80 Listening to Colmes' radio show (radio is his natural medium) pre-9/11 is one of the last things I remember doing as a liberal; it was entertaining for the callers.  But for whatever reason, he's a (bad) moron on tv.  Doesn't he still have a radio show?

Sean Hannity is a great guy, but whether it's to cater to his listeners, or to cater to his intellect, his shows are too shallow; I guess that's the depth of the average American; so, at the very least, it's a good target market for future center-right politicians?  Then again, Rush never strikes me as not being deep enough so...I don't want to be unkind...

Oh, heck, I don't even own a television these days, so IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER; Townhall's lineup of radio people are my speed and depth; especially HH and DP; Medved less so; Gallagher is kind of a Hannity wanna be; not as painful as he used to be, and I must admit I do like and listen to him in the 9am hour when I'm not gone yet.

Anyone know about Bill Mazer?  Loved his show in my pre-conservative days (nyc radio...now on in the burbs, I think...)


Posted by: FloofyParisParamus at November 24, 2008 08:27 PM (x/5U+)

81 Bill Mazer?? Lol (I did). That was ridiculous!

Posted by: JS at November 24, 2008 08:45 PM (+ZR+R)

82 Listen to Medved driving home every day, he is incredibly well informed and takes mainly hostile callers (well over 50% of the time) on his show, just to keep things interesting.

Dealing with dumbfucks isn't interesting to me; today he had some simpleton cocksucker that started in with the "Bush crime syndicate" bullshit (with a strangely clipped voice like somebody who hasn't been taking his fucking meds) that he should've just cut off and moved on to somebody with a working cortex.  Dweebs like that deserve nothing but full-onslaught ridicule which Medved just isn't good at; those fucks need to be screened and reeeeeejected.  He's very good at explaining things to people with a desire to be informed, which he sometimes gets; although lefties are incredibly uncurious about anything that doesn't fit in their perv dogma.

Posted by: Captain Hate at November 24, 2008 08:58 PM (m2sQh)

83 A replacement for Colmes? Easy. John McCain.

Posted by: Shannon at November 24, 2008 09:11 PM (q0Z3p)

84

Caution!  You're about to enter the no Colmes Zone!

 

Well, instead of getting rid of Colmes why don't we get rid of Hannity and resurrect the zombie of Morton Downey Jr?  Resident Evil: The Talk Show.

Posted by: Pinandpuller at November 24, 2008 10:29 PM (CKDe7)

85 Bring back "Firing Line".

Posted by: lmg at November 24, 2008 11:25 PM (A/vgC)

86 A Hannity half hour, and then a 'Liberal' half hour.

Say, the CBS/ABC/NBC nightly news.

Posted by: cheshirecat at November 24, 2008 11:43 PM (iSoGU)

87

Hannity always struck as a second-rate Rush Limbaugh. Rush is the original and still the best.  My #2 would be Laura Ingraham.

Hannity repeats the same talking points over and over and get $30 million for it! There's little in-depth discussion about economics, medicine, technology, the arts. If you had to drink every time he said "Reverend Wright," you'd be dead within 15 minutes.

Colmes is all talking points also.

The format of Hannity & Colmes is a good one, but the hosts seldom were good.

The best of the tv lot may be Glenn Beck, but he's getting buried in a thankless timeslot against Oprah, I believe. Beck is/was/will be) more watchable than H&C on any given day.

Posted by: Barry Popik at November 25, 2008 12:11 AM (j+hp6)

88 ....and the #1 thing I detest about Sean Hannity:
his "Conservatism in Exile"TM shtick of late. Ugh!

Gotta admit Hannity is right about one thing:
Mark Levin truly is The Great One.

As for Rush, he's erratic. He can be a total bore for days on end--and then the next day, I tune him in and he just blows me away with his insights.

His longtime fill-in, Roger Hedgecock, was often better than Rush himself. Wish I could get his show on one of our local stations

Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at November 25, 2008 12:46 AM (Prdx7)

89 When Colmes made the announcement tonight, we cheered.  I just hope Kirsten Powers doesn't replace him - she's even worse!
Though, Hannity gets annoying, but not as much as O'Reilly.  Good point about the talking points - I can't watch the news because I read it all on the internet three days before they talk about it on air.

Posted by: soulpile at November 25, 2008 12:58 AM (cS5fY)

90

If Colmes goes, then Hannity has to disappear too.

Those of you who've seen The Dark Crystal know what I'm talking about.

Posted by: Cincinnatus at November 25, 2008 03:14 AM (NCoOO)

91

"Intellectualism" is a pose favored by the left, a preferred method of self-characterization mostly unsupported by the facts.  It's not intellectualism per se most on the right object to, but this pose of it, and furthermore, this unjustified equasion of intellectualism to left-liberalism.

Ace makes two good, and interrelated, points.  First, one of the latent attractions of Liberalism is that one acquires, by simple virtue of voting Dem, the mantle of "intellectual" or at least of being "smart."  But this is merely an attribute of the Liberal brand--a quality which one acquires upon adoption, much like buying a Lexus or BMW connotes, to the profit of the manufacturer and its ad agencies, certain personal qualities on the buyer.  Sadly, such easy characterization says as much about the Left's dominance of entertainment and media as it does about our inability to understand that media savvy is critical to winning elections.  Ace's second point is more to our weakness as a Conservative movement---that we accept such branding wholesale. 

It's not that Conservatives are de facto anti-intellectual, it's that such Leftist characterizations as Ace seems to have deemed admitted--that we, as Conservatives--actually internalize the canard that we are "anti-intellectual."  WFB would not have done so, neither Sowell nor VDH.  The Conservative movement certainly has its' fair share of authentic intellectuals--the problem is that the culture, led willingly astray, refuses to recognize it.  This, to me, speaks more to the nature of Media perfidy than it does of our own pereceived failings.

Posted by: LexisTexas at November 25, 2008 04:13 AM (Vt8uv)

92

we, as Conservatives--actually internalize the canard that we are "anti-intellectual."

Without some good examples, I'm not buying that LT.  I came of age with the old NR and, to me, conservatism is all about the intellect.  We do tend to scoff at the pseudo-intellectuals; the pointy-headed liberals, the herd of independent thinkers etc,

Posted by: toby928 at November 25, 2008 09:53 AM (evdj2)

93

but that's not the same as being anti-intellectual.

 

 

damn comment thingy

Posted by: toby928 at November 25, 2008 09:54 AM (evdj2)

94 I hardly ever watch, for all the reasons mentioned above, unless Newt or some other decent guest is on.  My wife insists that Colmes looks like a constipated turtle.  I vote for Megyn Kelly vs. Kirsten Powers, with the oil-wrestling option for severe disagreements.

Posted by: Larry at November 25, 2008 11:34 AM (Y6sg2)

95 It'll be a pity to lose such a great reference for the robotic methodology of the illuminati left's media-policies. 

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