1 End times.

2 Test to see if this closes the ITAL tag.

3
Typical.

This is the media's M.O. For example, they beat their audience over the head with a topic or an event or a personality, then when it runs its course, the media gets another month out of it (whatever it is) with: "Did the media go too far?"

It's all just a big circle jerk, anyway.

4 End of what?

5

I was thinking about something similar this morning. What are the laws regarding slander and the internet? I am certain I have said something that would cross the line, but my understanding of the law would include almost everyone on the internet. Does anyone know if that has been an issue in the past?

6 Any and every "journalist," "analyst," reporter, or expert who did not notice this and declare it at the time prior to the election can FOAD. Disingenuous, proxy mea culpas after the fact should not and will not be accepted.

They obfuscated, lied, and outright campaigned for one ticket and one individual explicitly. The idea that "hey, whoa, now I see the error of my ways - whoopsie," is bullshit revisionism of the highest art.

The silver lining is that the industry is still testing new credibility and economic lows. Not much solace but I'll take what I can get.

7 Isn't that SOP for the libs?
Something about a road and good intentions?

The thing that pisses me off the most though is that you really can't do anything about it, not in any meaningful way.  They can lose readers/watchers, but it won't matter in the long run because new recruits for the "kool aid brigade" graduate public schools everyday.  And the MSM really does not give a shit what you or I think.  Consevatives are the evil ones here.  To be defeated at all costs, with any means avaiable.



K

8 Mike, the net is no different than any kind of communication, verbal, newspaper, oral or whatever re defamation.

9
Even the news updates on the radio were biased. They sounded like ads for Obama. Every day it would be like this:

The candidates are on the campaign trail today. McCain is in Virginia attacking Obama's tax plan...and Barack Obama is in Indiana telling a crowd of thirty-thousand his plan for economic justice and prosperity.

10

 

The imagery of Chris Matthews on his knees sucking O'Bambi's cock is a lasting one.  The love fest was so pervasive, it can best be described as juvenile puppy love. That tingling sensation running up Matthew's leg must have been caused by a high hard one. 

11
What a  bunch  dicktards.
How about
pod of whales
murder of crows
gaggle of geese
dicktard of journalist
douchebag of politicization

12 AoSHQ Commenter Kiffen:  Sun Very Bright.

13 OOPS1
douchebag of politicization politictions

14 cockholster of columnists

15

#8, that is bad news. The law for libel apparently includes:

 (i) accusing someone of a crime; (ii) alleging that someone has a foul or loathsome disease; (iii) adversely reflecting on a person�s fitness to conduct her business or trade; and (iv) imputing serious sexual misconduct (especially the chastity of a woman)

iii could apply to any politician. Would I be correct to say that almost everyone here is guilty has been guilty of libel at some point?  

 

16 The story about Obama that amazed me was when Michelle got a $200K raise after Barack bacame Senator. And then, in the most blatant conflict of interest that I've seen, Barack puts an earmark into a bill to give the hospital his wife works at $1 million dollars. And the press buried it as best they could.

17 Well, I think the press will continue covering for Obama.  Today's positive reporting on Obama's "plan" to re-institute a WPA style program is an example.  Obama's "plan" wasn't a plan at all, there were no details - just a promise to create 2.5 million jobs by rebuilding the nation's infrastructure and supporting green tech - the same vague rhetoric we've been hearing for 2 years.  Obama mentioned no details about how he would accomplish this.

I think Obama will be an extraordinarily cloistered and inaccessible president, and I think the press will let him get away with it.  Obama is not qualified or experienced enough to be president, which is why he is surrounding himself with so many middle-of-the-road establishment types - to present an aura of competence where there is none.

18 Of course this simply proves that Helperin is a lackey of the right-wing-corporatist-imperialist-running-dog-hegemon.

19

"It's the most disgusting failure of people in our business since the Iraq war,"

"The example that I use, at the end of the campaign, was the two profiles that The New York Times ran of the potential first ladies,"

We won in Iraq, and Chris Matthews, if he had any dignity will be leading the charge to add bush to Mt. Rushmoore.

and the ONLY two examples you use, are about first ladies?

Thats it?  Noone else was fucked over by your bias?  Just the first ladies, or rather ONE possible first lady?

Nothing else was biased?

Nothing?  At all?  Thats all you got?

Thats like a child who burnt down the house appologizing for stealing his mothers lighter.

20 #16, that is a good example of what I am talking about. I do not know if that is accurate, but if it is not, would it be libel?

21 Excellent points #19.   To me, reading this was a giant "duh".   Anyone with anything connecting between the ears saw the bias-even lib friends of mine.  They just "took a chance" Obama was going to work out OK.    And they so wanted to feel good because he's black and were willing to take the risk.   Like the risk of an adjustable rate mortgage or something?   

22 . Would I be correct to say that almost everyone here is guilty has been guilty of libel at some point? 

If you weren't such a syphilitic little cocksucker who has sex with children when you should be at work, embezzling from the company as you usually do, then I'd answer that question.

23 Nice coup by the progressives. Fill the press corps with C students who are naturally liberal. Then say we have a free press, in a sense it is. We should start a surge of conservatives into the press and watch the screaming start about the integrity of the coverage. Problem is conservatives would have leaned the W's.

24 Mike, you're a cockholster. Stop trying to make every thread about YOU, you dribbling idiot.

25 lol, you are not worried about this sort of thing? I think I may have crossed that line while I was posting here.

26

"Stop trying to make every thread about YOU, you dribbling idiot."

Sorry. I was just curious about that law.

27 Oh, hey. I,  I didn't think I'd be seeing you here, today.

 Look, I've been meaning to, like, call you, and  like, you know, apologize.

That whole deal with the Obama stuff during the election, I was way out of line there, with that.  Really, I'm sorry. Really sorry.

Listen, I gotta run now, Obama's just picked Hillary as his SecState and I've got to give it some coverage, but don't worry, I've learned my lesson.

But, can I, can I call you later.  Maybe we could get some dinner, catch a movie. 

What do you say?  Friends again?

28 Mike, if its a politician like Obama, than to make a case out for defamation, there has to be AT LEAST reckless indifference to the TRUTH, in other words, a reasonable person would have to know that what you are saying is false.

29 iii could apply to any politician. Would I be correct to say that almost everyone here is guilty has been guilty of libel at some point?

Mike, sure if we lie. (can't recall that myself) More generally it comes down to a difference between public and private figures - I forget the exact details, but in general for a public figure it had to have been untrue and the person had to have known it was untrue and been malicious in stating it.

For a private figure, it's saying something that's false to a third party that damages that person (it has to be in a manner where it would be believed by the third party, not just a joke).

30

I was in highschool when I realized everyone was full of shit, and I was EXPELLED!!!  and basicaly, for those reasons.

"really?  you're suspending me for my boots, but the guy who just hit me with a desk gets a detention?  REALLY"

I'm a NICE GUY! and am not violent, the only times I was violent were when I was a wrestler, and when the peace loving equal opportunity school admins said I must UNDERSTAND the people who tried to bully me.

This story says that it's OUR fault, we get bullied, and it's OUR fault we are seen as bullies for fight against bullies, but ultimately this is a bullshit, people in power bullie culture.

I was poor, I was small, I was not popular, but _I_ was a bully?  FUCKING REALLY!!!

31 More after the fact admissions. Halperin can shove them up his msm ass.

32 They do this sort of nonsense with every story,  Katrina, Iraq, the elections, Iran, Syrai, Lebanon, Hezbollah, Darfur, Georgia,  Plame, North Korea, Joe the Plumber, Ayers, John Edwards and his kid...etc. etc.  Journalism, all of it, isn't about reporting one damn thing.  It is about political power.  And there is no journalist alive ( even the precious few I like) who wouldn't kick his/her grandmother down the stairs while she was holding his/her infant duaghter to acquire more political power for their side.  It is the nature of the beast, and what those people are paid to do.  Their job is to win elections for their side.  Period.  Until the Repubs, and the rest of us, learn that lesson and fight the battle on those terms we won't be getting any where much...even when we win elections.

33

AD, this is serious business.

34 A retraction on page 27 of the B section doesn't make the lie above the fold on page 1 alright.

35 Mike, you mind me asking- 1. has someone contacted you about this or 2. is this just some random thing you've said on the internet and you're worried about it, or 3. am I an idiot and being a little gullible right now.

36

I was trying to enlighten this Obama voter last night while I was shit-housed drunk. He gets his news from CNN and NPR, and didn't know what Bill Ayers had done prior to being a college professor. He didn't fucking know. Not about the Weathermen, not about the bombs, not about Obama's relationship with the guy. I wanted to set my house on fire I was so pissed off.

37 I can't remember which cockholster trotted out the particular justification I'm thinking of, but the most jaw-droppingly arrogant defense I heard was this jackass "journalist" going on about how (to paraphrase) they were doing their job sucking up to Obama because he was clearly the better option, and it was time to put the Bush years behind us, or words to that effect. This knob was deluding himself into believing the insane slant of "news" during this election cycle was justified by the "fact" that Bush and all his policies are evil and Obama is the only one able to deliver the necessary shipment of unicorns to heal the planet.

If the Internet could deliver justified phyisical rage as efficiently as ones and zeros, that scumbag would be in hospital recovering from a beating severe enough to impress a Singaporean corporal punishment officer.

Right next to Ayers.

38 Wait, I thought the press was biased to the right. So says a kosnut at my workplace.

btw, I'm now an engaged moron, or is it I'm a moron because I'm engaged? haha

All joking aside, thanks to those who wished me well when I couldn't make the moron meet up in Chicago because of the impending engagement.

39 So far, we have failed to find a way to defeat of even fend off the Liberal Forces.

The MSM has proven more powerful than Talk Radio and the Blogs. The Democrat Party has used the Internet to its advantage. The Public Education System and its Federal Government partner have no real opposition.

Our Republic is doomed. Soon it will become a "European-style Liberal Democracy".

What will we do then? Where will we go?

40 Understatement. Of. The. Century.

41

"2. is this just some random thing you've said on the internet and you're worried about it"

It may be a bunch of things, but nobody has contacted me. I am just trying to figure out how much damage I may have done while I was screwing around on the internet. The political universe and the internet universe are two foreign places to me and instead of treating them as actual things they were abstract and not a part of reality. It is reality though and I need to respect it. Add libel to the mix and the internet really is serious business. 

42 Listen to this cockwad from the linked article:

"The biggest bias in the press is towards effectiveness," said Heilemann, who is authoring a book on the 2008 race along with Halperin.
"We love things that are smart."

Which would explain your excellent coverage of the surge and its aftereffects, wouldn't it, you lying sack of shit.

Assuming, of course, that the average journalist even knows what "smart" is. They all seem pretty convinced that they're fucking geniuses, but anytime I read a journalist's take on a subject I actually know a bit about, they almost invariably show they don't understand a goddamn thing they're pretending to 'explain' to readers.

43

The standard press apologetics are that 1) if you're winning you get better coverage, so the bias was "neutral" in the sense that McCain would have had the same bias if only he'd been winning and 2) Obama got better coverage only on the (again) "neutral" grounds he was "new," and of course McCain could have had the same biased coverage if only he'd been new.

Who would buy this shit lame assed excuse?  WTF difference would it make who exactly was "winning" with regard to the press's obligation to report in a fair, unbiased manner?  Fucking liars, all of them.  I will never, never trust the media again to tell the truth.  Never. 

44

It shows that they care not for their souls.

So mete it be.

45 39 - I suppose eventually we'll end up printing out little pamphlets in our basements and tossing them in university halls in the hopes of reaching people.

46 Posted by: UGAdawg at November 22, 2008 08:59 PM (MDHAs)

I'll one up you on that.  I was on a business trip the day after election with the owner of our company and another manager.  I was through my 2nd bottle of wine and on my 5th rum & coke when we had the conversation.

It turned religious, man. 

Anyway, the other manager is the one that pissed me off the most.  One of his heros is Reagan and he didn't know what he thought about Barry being elected.  WHAT THE FUCK?!

47 "It's the most disgusting failure of people in our business since the Iraq war," Halperin said at a panel of media analysts. "It was extreme bias, extreme pro-Obama coverage."

True, although he means "we were supporting the President's case by actually telling the truth about Iraq and not constantly attacking the military and the entire concept of using war for anything whatsoever."

48 I'm sowwy.

Weawwy an twuwy.






Can we be fwiends again?

49 btw, I'm now an engaged moron, or is it I'm a moron because I'm engaged?

It depends. What, exactly, are you engaged in?

50

What the hell can be Halperin's motive here:

1. He needs to finally admit he is so fucking stupid he never saw what was happening, like every moron here did?  Nope, journalists are better than us, idiot.

2. He wants to beg forgiveness from NYT readers?  But, which one out of the fourteen of them asked?

3. He figures Obama is going to crater and wants to start setting up his escape route early?  Then explain that Oboner he's got in his pants.

4. He thinks everyone else is so fucking stupid that he can pull a 180, and we will think he is a great journalist for making up for years of lies with a grudging smidgin of truth, so he can pull it again next time?  Okay Houston, I think we've found the answer!

51 Halperin at least makes an effort to play it straight -- mostly, I think, because his dad worked for Nixon once.

Look, it's pretty much consensus at this point that the media was biased in favor of B.O. Even most media people admit it, although they will still dissemble in explaining it away ("Oh, but the McCain campaign was just so disgraceful!").

Bottom-line: the Right needs its own investigative journalistic capacity. Not simply friendly press outlets or favorable commentators with a seat at prominent tables, but instead honest-to-god investigative journalists. We know these won't come from the journalism schools -- it'll have to be regular folks with their wits, laptops, and digital camcorders digging and uncovering. And then we need to do a lot of praying that faith in the ability of the American electorate to figure out, in the end, the truth isn't misplaced.

52 <i>Can we be fwiends again?</i>

<i>Posted by: The MSM at November 22, 2008 09:30 PM (eUo3J)</i>

When were we?

53

Consider the press to be an adjunct of the Democratic Party. 2008 sealed the deal.

54 On a related note, just got my "Know the Real Enemy" stickers in today...

http://tinyurl.com/6hgh6t

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55

I'll live to see the LAT, Wapo, NYT, and AP all buried in the same hole.

We live in historic times!

BUH-bye!

 

 

56

Mark, I can sense you sincerely want to apologize, so here's how you can make amends and show me that I can trust you from now on, okay?

Bend over and let me shove this (small) Sears chainsaw, running at full speed, into your rectum.  Or is it a "cloaca" on a journalist?  I can never remember.

It's only fair, old sport, because that's what you and your "profession" did to America, right?

Then we'll let bygones be bygones.  Seriously.

57

The NYT on thursday was trading below $5, and without 400 million in what February, they're down the tubes.

He wants a job somewhere,  (with someone with short memories), I'm guessing Obummer hasn't got a press secretary yet, and he wants to look centrist and aplogetic for what his former masters made him think.

Maybe Murdok will forgive him, but I won't.

I for one do not welcome our new insect overlords, and will NEVER forget!

58

Sherlock,

Even better, thank you!

 

59 #23: "We should start a surge of conservatives into the press and watch the screaming start about the integrity of the coverage."

FOX News, which is actually pretty middle-of-the-road, has some conservatives on board. How is that network perceived?

60

Do as thou wilt...Thou being you...lazy..sit on your ass, no this could never happen here...Well, It sure looks like it.

Lets get rid of God, first, Then, lets get rid of the constitution. then, well, um

get rid of talk radio, any opposition, etc. ya got it!

They got us by the balls. And I say, You aint seen nothen yet!

i Will go down with my guns. Or mayhap, I will survive  another day to fight.   So  mete it be ...

61

Bwahahahahaha!

I knew I'd heard "cloaca" before, and here's hoping he get's the "cloacal kiss" anytime soon!

(Jeez, dude! I had to look that up...)

62 Anything self-critical at this point from the MSM is a cursory, superficial rehabilitation project.

One, it's self-evident that its bias was profound. That recent YouTube and Zogby expos� of ignorant Democrat voters, while seemingly anecdotal, was damning. Those queried learned all of their material from establishment media. Nice reflection on your coverage, you cockholsters.

Two, Obama will not be able to deliver much, if anything, that he promised and the MSM knows it because they know he is a construct, a shell of a leader who really brings nothing but socialistic tendencies to fore, who has a checkered past, and who doesn't actually represent change. By making some confession know sooo after the fact, they are preparing the battlefield for Obama - in essence, they may admit error now so that they can say, "Look, you can trust us. See how we were honest about our dishonesty? All's well now," and then provide cover just as always as the country moves down and to the Left. It's proactive self-defense.

And three, they are hemorrhaging viewership, readership, money, and credibility. With the economy continuing its trend downward (and no signs of reversal once Obama gets in) and alternate media still showing growth, institutional media is desperate for a turnaround. To see more than half the country perpetually pissed off at them for their dishonesty does not bode well for the bottom line. They will have to lie yet again (which obviously won't be a problem for these propagandists) to try and appeal to a larger audience, one they may lose for a generation or more if they don't at least put on act of contrition, however brief and contrived.

Hopefully the rehabilitation project wastes lots of capital, has its actors develop all sorts of career-ending OTJ injuries, has its foundation crumble, slide down the hill into a pit, railcars of salt following behind and burying it, only to be nuked from outer space... just to be sure.

63

douray,

Malkin calls it faux news, but you're right, the only thing close to fair.

Glenn Beck is heading there from teh Communist News Network! (I can finally cancel my cable connection!)

64 Oops! Confession know. Like serenity.

65 Mike at November 22, 2008 09:12 PM (GNCy6)

You're exhibiting paranoia. Tell your doctor.

66 Sound familiar? Play along...

X had total power in Y, unrestricted by any constitutional constraints. The headline implied even more, however, than the major change in the constellation of power. It suggested an identity of X and the country he ruled, signifying a complete bond between the Y people and X.

Already before the "takeover of power" it had been the creation of the most modern, hugely successful, political "marketing" strategy of its time, masterminded by Z. And once the monopoly of state control of propaganda fell into their hands, there was no obstacle in the mass media to the rapid spread of X's "charismatic" appeal.

How many fully swallowed the nauseating personality cult can, of course, never be established. Not a few obviously did. Unctuous letters, doggerel poems and other eulogies, photographs and gifts -- including in one case the offer of a sack of potatoes which X apparently liked -- poured in, to be dealt with by X's adjutants.

Sounds sickeningly familiar, doesn't it?

From Spiegel online. There's lots more like this.

X= Hitler
Y=German
Z=Goebells

Article entitled The Fuhrer Myth: How Hitler Won Over the German People

67

AnonymousDrivel

"nuked from outer space... just to be sure"

* tears to my eyes! *

 

 

68 The media lost me.  I will never forget their behavior to get Obama over the top. 

Actually, they lost me in 2004 with the 'fake but accurate' memogate story, but I like calling them douchbags and storming away in a huff.  Also, don't forget that Bill Clinton solved the terrible homeless crisis just by being inaugurated.

They have always been biased, and as their market share shrinks they get more and more desperate.  Plus they have to make Obama look as good as possible now, if he's the best Pres. ever then they were justified in their bias weren't they?

69

"You're exhibiting paranoia. Tell your doctor."

I am concerned that I may broken a law. It is not paranoid to correct mistakes and make an effort not to make them again.

70 have

71 Faux News, as down the middle as you get when your boss, Herr Ayles, tells the help to lightfoot it on Der Leader in the vain hope that Faux Snooz doesn 't get gutted like a mackerel when the Fairness Doctrine II hits about Feb or March.

Like they stand a chance after over a year of actually telling the truth about the DOnce and his track record. Bill O will wind up doing drive time AM smooth jazz oldies in Boston and Hannity will wind up unemployed altogether, Rush too. Helperin  can continue to write from hell, far as I'm concerned. He sucks.

72 I think Obama will be an extraordinarily cloistered and inaccessible president, and I think the press will let him get away with it.  Obama is not qualified or experienced enough to be president, which is why he is surrounding himself with so many middle-of-the-road establishment types - to present an aura of competence where there is none.

You've got it.  It's a simple formula: Obama states goals and everybody else will have to state policies.  You see, he "wants to create a bazillion jobs".   His treasury secretary will propose a tax increase.  When the tax increase fails to deliver the jobs, it'll be the secretary's fault for being insufficiently hopeychangey.

If something goes well, it won't be an Obama policy per se.  He won't articulate the policies themselves, just the policy goals.  But his transformativeness will have brought the good results about.

73

Kinda, his Dad is Mort Halperin, he was trying to broker a coalition government with the NLF/Viet Cong, while our troops were holding them off one the other hand. He resigned joined the lefty group IPS, wrote a book about the American Police State, argued for Phillip Agee to continue to reveal CIA Officers on free speech grounds, while at the ACLU. Opposed the law they tried to get Libby and Cheney with. Was for dismantling the entire intelligence establishment back in the 80s, for the Sandinistas. Snuck into the National Security Council on some peace keeping slot during the Clintons. Was the Vice President of CAP, that Soros think tank credited with 'deconstructing conservative principles. Most of the crap spread about Sarah, either started with CAP or was spread by one of its outlets.

74

AnonymousD,

  You are my inspiration.  You're the Vinnie fuckin' Falcone of the thread.  Seriously, I'll pass your words along.

  I'd like to add--if anyone believes that we'll see anything like a 1994 rollback in 2010, as long as enough of the public believes that the Congress is still controlled by Republicans; as long as the media cherry-picks Republican scandals and buries Democratic scandals; and as long as the Clinton-Obama perpetual propaganda machine deflects reality, we're in for a potentially long and disastrous regime.  Our big hope in 2010 is to depress off-year turnout among demographics like unions--of course, if unemployment goes as high as many believe, a lot of them will be off on November 2, 2010. 

Maybe we can take back the Congress by 2108. 

 

75

The problem is that the conservatives have no voice on national television, and we need to fix that.

And when I say that I mean an apologetic press, RIGHT leaning until --- wait for it ---

It's tank time and we say whatever the hell we want...

We are never going to beat that kind of political machine, with "Now, my friends..."

We needed:

"Obama's fatherhood, nationality and religion questioned, film at eleven!", "OMG, I've got a conservative tingle there!" and "Yes, Palin's handler's took her shopping, but why did The 'o' need a 3-million dollar coloseum?", and by the way "Where did 200 million of the campaign money actually come from? We investigate and report!"

We need an actual NATIONAL TV NETWORK, bought and paid for by conservative advertising. This can't be that hard, just expensive.

Conservative talk-radio has BURIED every Demo attempt at radio... The advertisers aren't there. (Just ask Al - 'and by the way, where did THAT money go?' Frankin, ...) And because they can't come up with the bucks, here comes "FAIRNESS". Silence us. But not TV, just radio.

I may be wrong here, but there has never been a truly 'conservative' national television network. And it would negate any attempt at "Fairness". They can't attack radio, without attacking TV anyway.
They have a five 1/2 lead on TV now.

Just my $.02, your mileage may vary. But you need to move now, before 2012.

76

Amishdiude,

That's called voting 'present', and he's good at it.

77

And CNN.com is continuing with its adolescent obsession with Palin.  They have an online poll about whether Sarah should run for President, stay in Alaska, etc, while they're getting mileage out of the turkey incident (I'm sure Biden will spark some sort of incident with the actual Turkey).

I think we should come up with a neologism:  Palinize -- basically, Borking a prominent female.  It's starting to take shape--McCain was a stooge plant by the Dems to ensure a credible opponent for Obama.  What McCain could do would be to run a rising star on the ticket, who would be subject to the most scurrilous propaganda campaign I've seen in my life.  It's like old-time boxing, the Harder They Fall, where a talented kid was being set up with fixed matches so the champ could bash in his brains.   

78

Meanie,

Thank you - Orchestrated by the Demos, executed by Soros, manipulated by the 'MEDIA'... and stuffed up your behind by Chicago and the Communist party.

(This was my short list of players...)

May I forward a theory? ACORN was the distraction, TV news was the player.

79 I am concerned that I may broken a law. It is not paranoid to correct mistakes and make an effort not to make them again.

Posted by: Mike

But you haven't. People have already explained it to you.

80

I've long since stopped reading or listening to the MSM's lies. If I ever saw Halperin in person, however, I guarantee you he would NOT like having made my acquaintance.  

In a just country most of the MSM would be charged, tried, convicted, and sentenced to expulsion and revocation of citizenship. Some of them would be shot for treason, and they would deserve it, too.

I'd volunteer to be on the firing squad, and they wouldn't need to issue the "out" blank cartridge.

When payback comes for those lying bastards, it's going to be a real bear.

81 The PRESSSSident got what they want -- the PRESSSSident is back in power with a ego driven novice executive puppet at the end of their PRESSSSidential strings.  

He'll do most anything they want him to do, and look good doing it.  Plus the PRESSSident will ignore anything they don't think is good for the PRESSSSidential image. 

It's all good so long as the PRESSSidential media/commericial sales feed the beast.

82

The MSM rate slightly above lawyers, but below serial killers.

Halperin is just making a belated attempt at CYA and a poor one at that. Fuck 'em.

83 Dr. Fred, do I know you?

84 Mike wrote, ' Add libel to the mix and the internet really is serious business.' LOL. Why is it Obama acolytes are so quick to start throwing out vague hints of legal consequences? No, Mike, our Internets are not serious business. You know, I've encountered any number of lolsuit threats whenever I've confronted rampant faggotry in the form of YouTube pedophiles and other assorted sick fucks and fail-trolls online, and had any number of shrieking, butthurt bastards send me cease-and-desist letters from e-lawyers making e-threats and demanding e-satisfaction. As it is, I can write--perfectly freely and legally--that you, for example, are a patronizing piece of shit fail-troll who puts on clothes from his mother's closet and stands for hours and hours preening in front of a mirror, and there isn't a goddamned thing you can do about it. I use my real name online, so I suppose you could take the route others have taken. Good luck with that. But my point is this: Obama and his people have employed 'truth squads' and illegal data searches and smear campaigns to intimidate anyone who questions the One, and I can only speculate what the ramifications for those who speak out will be after his inauguration, but even so, me and those who think and feel as I do give you and yours nothing. You'll have to work for it.

85 btw, Mike: you said in an earlier thread that you were bothered by the 'lack of intellectual curiosity' exhibited by those on the right. Really? Tell me, sport, have you ever written a novel? Yes? No? Short story collection? Yes? No? Ever painted a painting, sold it from a gallery? Yes? No? Moved out of your parent's fucking basement? Yes? No? Come on, lightweight, share. Tell us all about your intellectual accomplishments. I'm curious.

86 Come on, Mike, rise up from your knees, wipe off your mouth, and give it to us straight. Explain please, the source of your concerns. Are you bothered by the lack of civility in contemporary political discourse? Gee, me too. Tell you what: it might help your case if you didn't view yourself as an anthropologist studying some aboriginal tribe--particularly when you're outclassed creatively and intellectually by the members of that tribe.

87

#84, I was talking about my comments not you.

#85, I have accomplished nothing. I have published nothing and all of the paintings burned.

88 But Shepard Smith (Fox News) said there was no media bias this election!

89 Shepard Smith is a jackass.

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Tell you what: it might help your case if you didn't view yourself as an anthropologist studying some aboriginal tribe--particularly when you're outclassed creatively and intellectually by the members of that tribe.

 

I am sorry if that is what you think. I visit this website because I think Ace is pretty damn funny and some of the people in comment section are hilarious. I am sorry about the imaginary person who was pure evil but mostly stupid. It is not some tribe. I know conservatives and I am conservative on many issues. It really is interesting to think the way other people think and spending time at this site influenced the way I think in a few ways. 

You can fuck off with the outclassed intellectually nonsense. Dozens of people who post here are way, way smarta than I am, but you are the man who thinks Top Democrats planned the sub-prime mess.

91 Yes, I am the man who thinks Barack Obama, Rahm Emanuel, Barney Franks, Christopher Dodds, Franklin Raines and a cast of other characters who make Harding's Ohio Gang look like a Boy Scout troop initiated and exploited the subprime meltdown for the sake of political gain. And whatever they are, they aren't Democrats, not in the traditional, accepted sense. They're fucking socialists--Marxist socialists, that is--and they took over the party of Truman and turned it into something completely antithetical to the intention of the Founders.

92 Oh, yeah, and Mike? Equating me with a 9-11 Truther for thinking the very worst of the President-elect--who turns out to be pals with a fucking Weather Underground terrorist, after all--is a false equivalence.

93 Why did Obama lie, Mike? I mean, there's really no other word for it, is there? He said Ayers was just a guy who lived in his neighborhood. What's up with that, O Defender of the Faith?

94 @21:  They [the O voters] just "took a chance" Obama was going to work out OK.   And they so wanted to feel good because he's black and were willing to take the risk. 

Republicans were looking at actual qualifications for the job;
Democrats were just looking at the color of someone's skin.

So who's racist?

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Why did Halperin not print a scathing rebuke well before the election, when it might have made some small difference? And the same for that WaPo ombudsman who did a mea culpa a day or two AFTER the election?

Obviously these are rhetorical questions; from the comments above I'm not guessing anyone here was impressed by the sincerity of the late confessions, or has a shred of belief in these people's credibility.

Evan Thomas of Newsweek made a comment last election about how the media would favor Kerry and how he felt it would help Kerry to the tune of about 15-20 points.

In all seriousness, I wonder if there is a way someone could make a credible assessment of how many percentage points were gained by Obama due to the overall media bias in favor of him. My feel is that the advantage would be huge - think about the 15 to 20 points that Evan Thomas, an expert in the business estimated - and what this means. This is probably the single biggest problem conservatives and Republicans (our de facto representatives) face, and I don't feel most of the leaders really even have their arms wrapped around it. 

A Republican might not have won this election in any case, but normally I think liberalism/leftism would not have much more of a following than the Green Party if the facts were put in front of people objectively, without bias.

Sure, the R Party bigwigs and conservative pundits know it's a problem, but no one has come up with anything remotely resembling a credible and comprehensive strategy to change this state of affairs. Even Rush has the attitude of "Sure, the media is biased, they always will be. Get over it and move on." Sorry, as much as I respect Rush, this won't get it.    

Our side needs a media Manhattan Project. Yesterday.

96 @37:  the insane slant of "news" during this election cycle was justified by the "fact" that Bush and all his policies are evil and Obama is the only one able to deliver the necessary shipment of unicorns to heal the planet.

Years ago I attended the national conference of the Society of Professional Journalists, the professional society for newspaper reporters. One of the breakout sessions was a discussion of:  How politically involved may a reporter be in their own private time? (in their personal, as opposed to professional, life,  mind you--but this was in 1989....)

The conversation got onto how do you guard against personal bias creeping into your reportage. It was interesting. Some people just can't help themselves....

Afterward, I confronted a female reporter about her usage of the term "pro-choice" for one side, their preferred self-description, while refusing to call the other side by their own preferred description, "pro-life." Instead she would refer to them as "anti-abortion" or even "anti-choice."

I will never forget her reply. She said, "Those people opposed to choice are EVIL. It is my moral obligation to present them in as bad a light as possible."

97

Kathy,

Who was the bitch who said that and who did she work for? Let's OUT the bitch and make her employer defend his employment of a completely biased propagandist for one side. Put her name and employer's name on the street. Let's make her and them pay the price for her political bias.

Make them defend their actions. Then punch them as hard as you can right in the wallet. We're going to bankrupt the New Yuk Times next year. The rest of the corrupt MSM bastards can follow right along.

They want to be paid shills, let them get their money from those they shill for, not ordinary people deceived into thinking they're getting facts instead of opinions.

There's not a person working for the LAT, NYT, or WAPO whose hand I'd shake. They're all liars who deserve to be on the unemployment line and the sooner we put them there, the better.

98 The only short-term way around press bias is the Reagan strategy: use the media to communicate directly with the audience--go through the talking heads, ignoring whatever questions and comments these apparatchiks throw out and treating them instead as just the guys holding the cameras and microphones.  Sarah Palin was getting the hang of it, I think, and even given the short amount of time she had and the idiotic constraints imposed upon her by McCain's people, made wonderful headway connecting to viewers and listeners. One thing we can do--and by we I mean you and me and every conservative out there who knows their way around the Internets--is employ this medium more fully: make more videos, network more extensively, and troll those moonbat rat bastards into the fucking ground. Well, okay, I was only speaking for myself on that last one. That's what I'm going to do. You do whatever you want.

99 People who make their arguement with video tools like Final Cut are going to leap over the media.  God I hope so.

100 Halperin works for Timemag. Which is going down the tubes, with mass layoffs. So CYA looks about right. He may need a job on the Dark Side (Murdoch) soon.

101 It's amazing how much Pravda claims itself to be unbiased. And the only news network that gets blamed for having a political slant is evil old Fox News. I can't wait for all of the wankers in the press to be out of work.Then Barry can give them all of those ditch digging jobs he's going to create.

102 "It's the most disgusting failure of people in our business...It was extreme bias, extreme pro-Obama coverage."--Did you catch the fib? --"was".

Ah, yes; the obligatory "Where Do We Go To Get Our Testicles Back?"-handwringer. Sorry, kids; you don't. Your new owner at Obama, Inc. auctioned off your integrity to foreign campaign contributors from Eunuchistan--I hear it fetched a hefty $2.00!

But you can all take pride that you were the first to volunteer for unpaid duty in His new Information MinistryCorps. All He asks is that you pick up a new pair of pom-poms and get your cheerleader skirts dry-cleaned in time for the Inaugu-Coronation. At your own expense, naturally.

btw, the reason Obama is picking Clintonistas isn't because of that 'Team of Rivals'-crap or even because he's "young and lacks a coterie of advisors". The reason is because his circle of advisors from Chicago include slumlords, fixers, grifters, communists, terrorists, mobbed-up bankers, hate-speech imams and cop-killers. Some neighborhood.

How do I know this? It wasn't in all the papers.

103

The MSM knows that they are dead as far as credibility goes.  So now they suck up to the public, "we've been bad"....hoping to recapture what they've lost.

Only time will tell if the general public is that gullible.  And if the past is prologue, they are.

 

104 Halperin, Kutrz, Washington Post=MOTO

105 Garandfan, the general public isn't so much gullible as deliberately disinterested, so they'll buy into whatever the media sells because it's easier to say, 'Okay, fine, whatever' and go on about the day to day business of living than it is to stop and think and question. Because once you recognize a problem--in this case a perversion of the whole idea of a free, independent press--then you must take part-ownership of the problem, do something about it with perhaps some cost to yourself. Thus, with hardly a voice raised in protest, our country slides into the soft dictatorship of a personality cult preaching a friendly, Euro-style socialism while employing the ruthless, amoral tactics of a big city political machine. I know how alarmist I sound, but I don't think many realize the magnitude of the disaster coming our way. Our press has been subverted. Leadership of the Democratic Party has been suborned by its most far-left fringe elements. These people intend to rule, not govern, will never willingly give up power. Thanks to an enthusiastically compliant media and a whole army of pro-Obama bureaucrats and party hacks, national elections will be rigged and opposition faces and voices will be stifled, ignored and intimidated.

Think I'll go smoke a cigarette. It's cold in the garage and I've been trying to quit, but suddenly I don't give a damn.

106 They admit to the bias.  Big deal.  They are still not doing any reporting on the neglected Obama stories.

107   A closer look at Hollerin' Halperin shows he has a history of bias to the right and carrying water for Rush Limbaugh.  Halperin has slavishly quoted or used his own pieces  to promote  Mr Partisan Piggy, the pill-popper, over a hundred times.   

108 Diss Rush? 

Hah.

You and 10,000 of your closest liberal friends can't hold a candle to Rush, not even during a vigil for convicted cop-killer Mumia Baboon Jamal.

Your beef is with reality, not someone who presents it.

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