1 CURRY POWER!!

INDIAN HAVE BEST NAVY IN WORLD GO INDIA!!!

2 I'm saddened that the U.S. didn't get first blood, but I guess as long as someone's killing pirates, it's jake.  Besides, we mixed it up with the Barbary pirates back in the 1800's, right? 

3 Seriously, arm your ship and shoot anything that approaches that can't verify they are official government representatives by radio prior to approach. I'm sure there are tons of anti-aircraft batteries available from decommissioned warships.Shoot first and ask questions later, whether it's Somali Pirates or Green Peace.

4 How terrible is it that the Royal Navy is nothing more than a joke now? Why even waste money on ships?

5 No prisoners!

6 Where the hell is Tushar? He oughta be on here strutting around and crowing like a sumbitch.

Don't mess with them dot Indians. Hey pirates, who's your daddy?

7 ARRRRR!

8 Only strong democracies such as the U.S., Britian and now India are willing to go after pirates. What does this have to say about the Sauds with the loss of $100 million in crude?

9 WTF?  Aren't these pirates the epitome of the type of combatant that has ZERO protections under any international treaties?  And where are the mercenaries that could be hired to stand watch on these ships?  Seems like a good business proposition for those private security guards currently in Iraq......

10 Thank you, come again!

11 Hmm, pirate masala anyone? At least someone's navy has the balls to go after them and not worry about lefties screaming about the rights of the pirates!

12 Can anyone explain why none of the target ships seem to be able to fight back against the pirates?  Can ships planning to sail through known piracy hot spots not arm themselves with their own machine guns, rockets, or torpedo launchers, and have crew trained to use them? 

What prevents this -- some international convention, or the laws of their port countries, or do the shipping companies just have the same attitude towards arming their ships that urban liberals have towards personally-owned defensive firearms?

13

I wonder if, instead of "come get some!", the guy manning the machinegun was shouting "Please come again! Thank you very much please come again!"

14 And you bastards all thought I was crazy.

HA!

15 I don't understand why the merchant ships don't just protect themselves. It shouldn't be too difficult. Are they prohibited by law from shooting pirates?

16 Whatever happened to that ship with the mysterious cargo, and the Russian tanks that was hijacked a few weeks ago?

17

Way to go India!

Here's hoping we get some pirate kills too!

Though I would still like to carpet-bomb the ports they operate from.

And, what the heck is wrong with the Brits?  You don't give pirates asylum, you shoot them dead or if you capture some alive give them a quick trial on the spot followed by a quick hanging.

18

Between the emasculation of the Royal Navy and Australia's 2 month holiday for sailors, Ronald Reagan's 600 ship Navy is missed more and more every day.  I'm telling you, we need to buy this bucket and give our troops a nice R&R cruise.  Nothing more relaxing than the occasional pirate beat-down.

 

http://tiny.cc/vbnBm

19

Indians vs. Pirates?

That's like Dracula vs. Billy the Kid

20

"Indians seem to have dealt with that problem nicely by not taking prisoners."

No quarter.  It's not just for nreakfast anymore.

21

 Can ships planning to sail through known piracy hot spots not arm themselves with their own machine guns, rockets, or torpedo launchers, and have crew trained to use them? 

Meh. Some do. Cruise boats now have people in the crews trained for these things. Some shipping companies also hire bodyguard/mercenary escort vessels. Some companies are hot on it, others say it's irresponsible and dangerous. It also depends what your shipping. Hiring merc escorts for every shipment is very expensive, possibly costing more then having a few of them hijacked.

You can load up the crew with weapons too, but the crew aren't trained soldiers. They're a sailing crew. There's a greater chance that if they start a firefight and loose, they'll wind up getting themselves killed. And I'm sure the crew themselves aren't hot on risking their lives over someone else's ship and cargo.

22

I have a feeling India perceives this as an opportunity for themselves to establish a beneficial military presence on the world stage and expand their sphere of influence.  They're right.  And that's probably good.

Even if the Royal Navy were permitted to act, I am not sure it would matter in the end anyway.  The preening powers of Europe are so shriveled by impotence nobody takes them seriously as a force for anything anymore.  Even their own citizens.

America, take note.

 

23

 

No one is asking the really important question here: how will this impact "Talk Like A Pirate Day?"

24

Indians vs. Pirates?

That's like Dracula vs. Billy the Kid

Actually, that series seems to be scheduled for June 24-27, next year, in Pittsburgh.

25 A (British) Foreign Office spokesman said: “There are issues about human rights and what might happen in these circumstances. The main thing is to ensure any incident is resolved peacefully."

I agree, these pirates should be in pieces. I don't see why they are worried about prisoners seeking asylum. If any pirates do surrender than disarm they and put them back on their boat and leave. They may come back but economically that won't work for the pirates very long. Even they gotta turn a profit once in awhile or try something else.

26 How bad has the piracy situation around Somalia gotten this year?  This bad.

27 Who knew the Indians even HAD a navy?

28 Every time I read about this my first reaction is "pirates, really, no, really pirates?"  Good lord the world is trying to revert to barbarism. 

29 Posted by: shropshirelad at November 19, 2008 12:35 PM (oqqhF)

I was going to add something about that to the post but life got in the way.

India is going to be a player in the future, as much if not more so than China simply because free people do better in the long run than those stuck in authoritarian kleptocracies.

Yes, they have a long way to go and a lot of hurdles to overcome but better to get them close to us now and have an influence on their future.

It drives me nuts that Democrats delayed and almost killed Bush's nuclear deal with India. They claimed it circumvented the non-proliferation regime. Well, so the fuck what? India is a democracy and shouldn't be treated the same as Pakistan or other wannabe nuclear terrorist nations. They finally got it passed last month. Of course it made zero news.

30 You can load up the crew with weapons too, but the crew aren't trained soldiers. They're a sailing crew. There's a greater chance that if they start a firefight and loose, they'll wind up getting themselves killed. And I'm sure the crew themselves aren't hot on risking their lives over someone else's ship and cargo.

It's not just someone else's ship & cargo that's at stake -- there's also the prospect of being taken hostage by a gang of savages.  You'd think that would enter into the calculation.

Not to mention the fact that the more crews just roll over and hand over the keys to the boat, the more dangerous it becomes for every other crew out there.  The pirates are so bold precisely because nobody seems to be fighting back.

31 #l6, the pirates died of something mysterious.  There was an unknown substance aboard that ship.

32 Good lord the world is trying to revert to barbarism. 
Posted by: alexthechick at November 19, 2008 12:45 PM (SHHaV)

Read Steyn's post in The Corner about that sad fact.

33

12 Can anyone explain why none of the target ships seem to be able to fight back against the pirates?  Can ships planning to sail through known piracy hot spots not arm themselves with their own machine guns, rockets, or torpedo launchers, and have crew trained to use them? 

What prevents this -- some international convention, or the laws of their port countries, or do the shipping companies just have the same attitude towards arming their ships that urban liberals have towards personally-owned defensive firearms?

Well, a couple of reasons.  One, on the super tanker, the crew was for some reason, probably not anxious to start a fire fight with well armed pirates while the floating on 1-2 M bbls of oil.

If the question is a larger one, its a matter of ability and economics.  Would the shipping company really be better off hiring essentially a security force for the trip, and paying said security force probably about 500K-1M per trip?  What's the likelihood of a ship being pirated?  the odds of any ship being pirated are long, and the ransom is just cheaper.  It's also just cheaper to pay them off, as the pirates actually have a pretty good track record of returning the crews unharmed.  Having the crews "defend" themselves - untrained amatures that they are - would probably only result in most of them getting killed.

34 Indians vs. Pirates?

It's like the high seas version of the World Series...

35 I mean this with all due respect.

Kill them to the last man, and let the fishes sort them out.

36

It's not just someone else's ship & cargo that's at stake -- there's also the prospect of being taken hostage by a gang of savages.  You'd think that would enter into the calculation.

Not to mention the fact that the more crews just roll over and hand over the keys to the boat, the more dangerous it becomes for every other crew out there.  The pirates are so bold precisely because nobody seems to be fighting back.

I don't disagree with you. And I would certainly want a rifle handy to fire back with, personally.

But sadly, to the world's great detriment, everyone is not me.

Opinions differ, like I said. Some companies do arm themselves, or hire armed mercenary escorts. Others don't and are opposed to the very idea of anybody doing it.

37 Motto of the Indian Navy

Karma can be a real bitch.

38 Bigger issue here is India reaching west into Arab "space".  The Arabian peninsula is very dependent on India for labor (skilled and unskilled).  There are a lot of Indians with a lot of grievances in the Magic Kingdom and the Gulf States.

With Hindu Nationalists gaining power in India and a decent, professional military - esp in comparison the what the Arab field - we may see a lot of Arab begging and scraping for the US not to pull out of the Middle East.  They have other problems then just a bunch of crazy Persians(Turks).

The Saudis should have paid someone to take care of the this; now it is out of control.  It would not shock me to see someone take over that old Soviet Navy base in Somalia.

39 Pirates Go Boom!
Time for slurpee.
Come again.

40

The British Royal Navy, once the scourge of pirates has been told to ignore the problem lest captured pirates press a claim for asylum.

 

Actually the British did draw first blood in this latest round of pirate BS. This article was on Foxa few days ago. I mentioned it in a post but nobody had any comment.

 

The royal Navy was told not to “apprehend them”, that doesn’t mean that they can’t kill them.

 

Also, the History Channel did that special on modern day pirates last year and their thing on crews arming themselves was typical liberal gun control BS. One must not fight back lest the violence escalate. Also, shooting guns aboard a ship could be “dangerous”.

 

As I said, typical liberal bull shit.  What they need is a few ex-military armed with assault weapons and trained in repel boarders actions.

 

But also, what I said last week is still true. This shit will keep up until the international community takes action in the countries supporting and harboring these scum. That was true in the 17^th century and it is true in the 21^st century.

41 33.   Cost for on board expert security assistance for short duration hops thru the area would not be in the 500K range; your talking about a 2-3 men for 3 days, so with small arms and a good radio, helicopter on/off may be the biggest cost.  I don't see how they would easily board/disembark on the east bound exit leg.

34.  I'm afriad it will be a long time before we see the Pirates in the World Series.

42 "Captured pirates"?  Why in the hell would you want to do that?  Kill 'em where you find 'em.

Put one guy on a cargo ship who knows what he's doing with a Barrett M107,  and he could fuck up a whole pirate ship's day.

43 Wait...India has a navy?

44 This is an easy problem to solve (put some small U.S. naval patrols in the area; sink a few dozen pirate boats, especially the ones that are far out to sea). Bush needs to get this rolling before he leaves office.

45 NPR had a feature about pirates a while back. They blamed Bush... actually, no, they didn't, it was a travelogue from a guy who had some scary encounters with them. He explained that pirates aren't romantic swashbucklers like in movies, but the way to think about them is like this: the guys who rob little old ladies at ATMs, or jack your car, or mug you in a dark alley, put them in a boat, and those are your pirates. They're just floating thugs.

46 Put a coupla sharpshooter in the crow's nest of the navy vessel and pop those pirates off one by one.  Piece of cake.  The world will thank them. 

47 I still don't get it. The cost of 4 .50 cals is nothing compared to the cost of a tanker, and crewmen could be trained to fire them. In the pictures I've seen the pirates zoom up in little fiberglass boats. I'm no expert, but I'd guess a .50 could easily sink one of those boats a mile away. Problem solved. What am I missing?

48
44 This is an easy problem to solve (put some small U.S. naval patrols in the area; sink a few dozen pirate boats, especially the ones that are far out to sea). Bush needs to get this rolling before he leaves office.

Posted by: TomK at November 19, 2008 01:09 PM (hcSw

Until some asshat apologists/pirate sympathizers start filing lawsuits on behalf of the dead pirates' family members, saying that the pirates' civil rights were infringed.  Well, that'll only happen if the USN goes after the pirates.  If any other nation, such as our friends in India, continue to take care of the problem, then we won't hear a peep.

Yes, I'm incredibly cynical.  Let's target the family members of the pirates, in addition to the pirates.  How's that sound?

49

You don't give pirates asylum, you shoot them dead or if you capture some alive give them a quick trial on the spot followed by a quick hanging.

 

Steady on, mate! Let's not be too hasty here.

50 I don't think the solution here is Naval Patrols.  The area is large with a lot of small craft action.  You can't shoot every small fisherman or dhow plying those waters.

You need persistent airborne coverage and response.  You need a clear communications plan. It's not worth a US Carrier - so what are you left with: basing patrol and response aircraft in Yemen or Somalia (eeh...)  International shipping is not as well organized as aviation - so someone would have to make this happen.  The only people I can think of to do are the insurers, and they are going to look at the bottom line.

I believe the Indians have other motives for jumping in.

51

Who knew the Indians even HAD a navy?

They do.  It's built from decommissioned taxicabs and Slurpee machines, but it's good enough to kill them some pirates.

52 Problem solved. What am I missing?

You forgot about Abrams, Rosenweig, Rosen, and O'Brian, world-class wrongful-death attorneys suing for the family of poor Shufed Umbop Al-Islam for 50 million bucks on a 75% contingency fee. Pirates have families too!

53

Gratz to India.  

So tired of developed nations being such politically correct panty-wastes that they will take crap from goons.

Pirate ships are crammed with people and guns. 

They dont look or act like cargo ships.

They don't look or act like fishing ships.

They are easy to identify.

It doesn't take a hoisted Jolly Roger to see what the hell they are up to.

Find them.

Sink them.

 

 

54 43: Wait...India has a navy?

Not only does India have a navy, they're looking to acquire an aircraft carrier. As I understand it, they've paid Russia a buttload of money for one, but Russia has so far not delivered.

55 India,  eh?  WWGD?

( What Would Ghandi Do? )

Way to go India!  Didn't know ya had it in ya!

56 All credit to India for taking the "traditional" approach.

57 45: but the way to think about them is like this: the guys who rob little old ladies at ATMs, or jack your car, or mug you in a dark alley, put them in a boat, and those are your pirates. They're just floating thugs.

Clearly, he was a ninja fanboi.

58 I do not know what the thinking in Washington is on this, but I would remind you all to think about American interests. Saudi Arabia humiliated Bush when he went there last time, so this may be some payback. A not to subtle hint that they need to pay attention to us when we talk.

59 For all other comments about a 50cal or a sharpshooter ... Based on my experience, direct fire is not the way to go.  A depressed angle shot with an "anti-material rifle" from a moving platform to a moving platform is not easy shot.   Go on a boat and try and keep a pair of unstabilized binoculars locked on a target.

Now a old fashion M79 40mm grenade launcher and a little practice ... Provides a capability for warning shots using smoke rounds, illumination rounds for night, and buckshot for the really close stuff.

60 59: Now a old fashion M79 40mm grenade launcher and a little practice ... Provides a capability for warning shots using smoke rounds, illumination rounds for night, and buckshot for the really close stuff.

Plus, good for fishing.

61 53  Every boat in that region is full of idiots with guns.  Those clans conflicts don't stop when they get their feet wet and they are all smuggling something.

Additionally, there has traditionally been an unofficial market of sorts (drugs, food, etc.) between the small boats and the freighter crews.  Now these Mother Ships and organized raiding parties - that's all new and probably linked to some "professional" assistance. 

62 Look, just drop me onto that ship and I'll have it taken care of in less than 24 hours!

CLOE!  Upload the schematics of that tanker to my phone right away!

63 I was under the impression it was still OK to hang pirates from the yard arm?

64 60 True. Bit rough on the shoulder for shooting clays off of the rear deck.

65 The M 79. I loved shooting them things. An all purpose, get out of trouble quick weapon. I love anything that goes boom in the night.

66 What they need is a few ex-military armed with assault weapons and trained in repel boarders actions.

Why stop there? why not just embarq a company of Marines on board a cargo ship driven by a Navy crew. Pirates show up to sieze the ship, Marines kill pirates, they move along to the next target area.

Just change out ships every trip.

67 After you kill the pirates, dress the front of your ship with their carcasses and go through pirate-infested waters like this.  I'm thinking of the scene from the movie "Serenity" when they're traveling through Reaver space.

68

PREPARE TO REPEL BOARDERS!!!

69 65  The problem was it only went boom once.  There is a new one floating around that's a six shooter.

70

31 #l6, the pirates died of something mysterious.  There was an unknown substance aboard that ship.

Like what, a Navy SEAL?

71 I'm thinking that it won't be long until we see wholesale, temporary reflagging of cargo ships when they are in the pirating areas, similar to the Operation Earnest Will situation in the 80's. The question is, who will take this step?

72 NO QUARTER!!!

TAKE NO PRISONERS!!!

FEED THEM TO THE SHARKS!!!!

73

I was under the impression it was still OK to hang pirates from the yard arm

 

It was until some time in the 1800s when more modern admiralty laws were developed. Current piracy law is contained within the Law of the Seas treaty which the U.S. has never ratified, but which we are following for the most part. In this international law pirate ships may be pursued and taken by any nation and tried in courts arranged by the nation doing the taking.

 

The implication is that the pirates would receive a trial in a civilian court and punishment accordingly.

74 Joe Biden said that India doesn't have enough people for a Navy.  They are all working in Dunkin Donuts or 7-11s. 

75

How about giving teams of rednecks speedboats, automatic weapons, and a prize for whoever brings in the most pirate heads?

We can get FOX of ESPN to finance it in exchange for the reality TV rights.

76

Oops!

"FOX or ESPN"

77 I have a suggestion.  Let' send the pirates $200million, no strings attached.  That way they'll know that we don't hate them.

Problem solved!

78 Mr Biden, you strike me as the sort of man I can do business with.

79 So let me see if I have this straight... 

For Britain, it is better that pirates be killed, because if they aren't killed they will be granted asylum on the grounds that if they aren't granted asylum they would be sent back to their native country where they would be killed.

The natural response to which is, "I think we can make that happen, Leftennant!"

No?

No.

Instead, the response is "Quite a spot of bother we've found ourselves in, isn't it?  I guess we'll just have to leave these chaps alone."

Someone should put this article in a time capsule, so that a couple thousand years from now anthropologists in the next civilization will be able to pinpoint the exact place and time that our long-lost civilization went so completely batshit insane that it decided crime MUST be rewarded, PRECISELY BECAUSE the only other alternative would be to punish it.

80 75

How about giving teams of rednecks speedboats, automatic weapons, and a prize for whoever brings in the most pirate heads?

I like it!  Bass Boats retro fitted with machine guns and rocket launchers.  We'll call 'em Kick-Ass Boats!  Barrels in the front,  beer in the back.  I'd watch it!

81 Didn't Obama say we weren't gonna outsource anything any more?  Guess that didn't include pirate trashing.  Anyway kudos to the Indian Navy for a job well done.

82 >>"Indians seem to have dealt with that problem nicely by not taking prisoners."

Prisoners get clingy. Dead pirates don't cling so much.

>>Who knew that India had a Navy.

Dude, we have a decent sized navy. Been operating Aircraft Carriers for atleast 3 decades, and now building 3 of our own. Once they are commissioned, Indian Navy will be the third biggest naval force in the world, after the US Navy and the US Marines. Maybe even the second biggest, if Obama gets his way and downsizes the Marines.

India has one important motivation for this. Indians constitute the largest manpower of global merchant shipping, and everytime shit happens, Indians die. The Navy finds the situation unacceptable.

83 Now that's what I'm talkin' about!

Go India!

Now notice, boys and girls, that India just got done planting their flag on the moon, all by themselves, with no help from us smug 'Mericans, or the short-dicked Chinese, or the "Oops, so solly" boys over in Japan, or the EU.

They did it themselves. Yes! (Fist in air!)

Now that piracy (piracy! In the 21st century!) has reared its ugly head, what do they do? Why they go out, take no prisoners, killed a bunch of 'em until they died a lot, sank their boat all the way down to the bottom of the sea, and soon the sea lanes will be safe for all us nuclear wuss powers and oh-so-civilized idiots.

India is the New Democracy! India has inherited the mantle that for too long sat on us US'er shoulders, wobbling around, and all shakey-like.

I vote we put India in charge of the world. Besides, I like Tandori chicken and Nan bread and those hot honey balls (no, its not teh gay!) they serve in buffets.

So there.

84 Dead men tell no tales.

85

The Indian Navy can get away with this because they're "coloured" too.

Despite the mention above about the RN killing a few of the pricks, if an RN or other Commonwealth RCN or RAN, for example, or USN vessel killed all (or most) of the pirates attacking a merchant vessel, the Western MSM would go apeshit with the racism charges. It would probably happen if the French did it too, but the French public and government wouldn't give a shit, but the Anglosphere's MSM, governments and bureaucracies and the usual suspects amongst the population would bring down whoever did it if it were one of our navies.

So, keep up the good work, Indian men, and enjoy the Bollywood musicals that will surely follow about the Indian Navy fighting pirates.

86 Steamboat,

US did provide some sensing equipment for India's moon mission. And those 'hot honey balls' are called Gulab Jamun.

87

I hopped over to Eagle 1's blog to read more and I was shocked to discover that not only have the pirates been escalating around Somalia, they are also boarding vessels around Singapore. In the Singapore area they are just mostly robbing the crew right now but it seems like with the laid back attitude the world is taking (except India-way to go!) toward the Somali pirates that this will embolden the ones over around Asia as well. There'd be a good way to fuck with our economy more, right there...

At first I believed these pirates were only acting out of a desire to get money for themselves but with the massive amount of seizures I am now totally on board with the theory that this is a large scale financing operation for Al-Qaida.

Bastards.

88

Not only does India have a navy, they're looking to acquire an aircraft carrier. As I understand it, they've paid Russia a buttload of money for one, but Russia has so far not delivered.

India already has one carrier, Viraat, the old HMS Hermes of the Falklands Task Force.  They got a good deal from Russia, where Ivan gave them gratis an old Kiev class ship, under the condition that India pay for the conversion into a full deck CV.  They're still waiting, as the ship is over budget and overdue.

Hint: "good deal" and "Russians" are never to be used in the same sentence.

And finally, India is building their own indigenously designed medium sized CV at Cochin, which will probably enter service in 2012.  I just spent some time in Goa, which is where the Flag Officer, Indian Naval Air is located.

89 Didn't Obama say we weren't gonna outsource anything any more?  Guess that didn't include pirate trashing.

Consider it "Maritime Tech Support".

90 >>I just spent some time in Goa.

Hey Steve, how do you like them beaches (and bitches)?

91 HANG THEM FROM THE YARD ARM BRING IN THEIR HEADS SWNING FROM THE BOWSPRIT

92 BTW,
US and Indian navies have been cooperating on anti-piracy and shipping-lane security for a few years now. If my memory serves me right, Indian Navy even provided armed escort to some US Navy supply ships that were feeding the Iraq war effort.

93 for those wondering, th eU.S Navy has been doing this for years. I was involved with CTF 150, the international task force charged with interdicting these thugs. My ship was involved with two separate incidents that resulted in at least one death and one sinking. This was over two years ago. We liberated a dhow being used as a mother ship and sunk the skiffs she was towing. The next time, the pirates fired on the Navy ship attetmpting to board them. Needless to say, many rounds were expended, causing one death and major maxillofacial surgery due to premature hope, change, and .50 caliber rounds, but mostly .50 caliber rounds.

94 NATO's been escorting, too, along with the USN on duty as well; and NATO and Coalition navies doing it at the same time as working around Iraq.

95 andycanuck,

NATO has been providing escorts to US supply ships, but it was, atleast till now, reluctant to take on the pirates. This will change when Europe starts losing money to pirates.

96 What about some Alaskan wolf hunters in helicopters?

97

Where the fuck is Aquaman?

Pussy!

98 Can we get video, with musical accompaniment from the Dance Hall Girls like there is on the A10 vs Talibikers?

99

How about Hooters girls in bikinis with AK-47's chasing down pirates in speedboats??

 

"Girls Gone Wild Somali Pirate Hunt"

100 Posted by: Steve Skubinna at November 19, 2008 02:26 PM (1ii59)

God are the Russians screwing them on that.

There's an offer out there to give them the Kitty Hawk if they buy F-18's (or the JSF, I don't remember). I hope that deal happens though I doubt it. The Kitty Hawk will be very expensive to operate and I doubt Obama will push it like Bush was.

101

73. Current piracy law is contained within the Law of the Seas treaty

 

No it is not; see: Protocols to the UN Convention for the Suppression of Unlawful Acts Against the Safety of Maritime Navigation, (SUA for short).  The relevant UNCLOS section deals with a broader scope (drug interdiction, PSI, security operations et al).  The US is a party to the revised SUA, but not the UNCLOS.

 

87. In the Singapore area they are just mostly robbing the crew right now but it seems like with the laid back attitude the world is taking (except India-way to go!) toward the Somali pirates that this will embolden the ones over around Asia as well.

 

When I was in the Navy during the Clinton years the straits in Indonesia were a known area for pirates.  Piracy there has been going on there for many years but it is mostly targeted against barges (shallower drafted vessels) or anchored ships, and directed towards fleecing the crew instead of kidnapping them or stealing the vessel.  IMO the Indonesians are doing it the “right” way – relatively small amounts of cash, vessel and crew and cargo left to continue on – basically not significant enough to warrant anything more than a police action vice a military warship’s attention; who’d send a half a billion dollar warship and imperil its crew to stop the ocean-equivalent of a mugging?.  And the local police/enforcement can be bought off or co-opted – a nation’s military not so much.  I would not expect to see more high-profile acts of piracy in the waters off Indonesia, though if a few were to happen it would be a game changer.

 

102 101

73. Current piracy law is contained within the Law of the Seas treaty

No it is not; see:

 

wow - my bad - after reading what I wrote you are right in both your content and in regards to piracy overall; I was more US centric in context and in the Somali piracy activity.  (so kindly ignore that part of my post - "piracy" isn't even mentioned in the SUA though it applies)

103

Piracy is contained in Part VII, Sections 100 through 107.http://tinyurl.com/6hu47b

104

Law of the sea?

 

"Badges?  We don't need no stinking badges!"

105

Twin Oerlikons and twin M2s aren't expensive, nor are having a few men who know what they are doing.  Just a cost of doing business.  Life jackets - check; flak vests - check.

Go to full speed, head away from the coast, yell for help on every frequency, shoot if they get close.  At the start of the nineteenth century merchant ships were armed.  At the end they weren't.  And that change came about because Britain, France, the United States, and other powers put warships on patrol to deal with this.  They did so well that the lesson has to be learned again.  Sink 'em, kill 'em, destroy their bases.

106

And that change came about because Britain, France, the United States, and other powers put warships on patrol to deal with this.

 

It stopped because the great powers went after the people who were supporting the pirates. That is the only way this shit will stop.

107 Slurpees? You want some slurpees? Say hello to my slurpees and his little friend!

108 This headline sounds like deranged Cleveland fans wreaking havoc in Pittsburg.

109 You know, in a lot of ways India is a really f*ed up country. But I am starting to like them more and more all the time for a bunch of different reasons.

They definitely have the right approach here. Enough pirates meet up with by big assed naval guns and I guarantee the problem will go away right quick.

110 Steamboat,

Exactly!

Like I said I am becoming more of an India-phile every single day. You couldn't be more right about the crucial factor being that they are a real bonafide democracy in the classic sense. They seem to be doing a fantastic job of taking what is best about their robust English colonial heritage (which the English could hardly identify much less practice these days) and adapting it to their own needs and culture. They aren't wannabes. They are doing it their way which to me is actually the whole idea of western democracy anyway.

That is why I am so totally on their side. We need to back them up in big way.

And yeah I was just as happy as you about them getting to the moon.  Just  purely happy for them. Can't say that about the f-ing Chinese govt. about anything.

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@8: "What does this have to say about the Sauds with the loss of $100 million in crude?"

It's been years since they tipped that little?

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ACLU supports the rights of Somali pirates:

http://tinyurl.com/6b6cdr

 

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So sad....

No one has suggested a free market solution to the problem?

Have the government issue a few letters of marque and reprisal.  Private individuals arm up some ships, go pirate hunting, bring back loot/reward money.

Done and done.

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I've wondered why there hasn't been a sting operation in play here, but maybe there is. I mean, plant a bunch of armed military on-board a ship and set it off s a target. Once the pirates board, blow them to hell.

Then, I wondered, is it possible that there are captains aboard some of these ships that stand to gain by making their vessel a target?

Not that I'm trying to blame the victim, I'm not, it's just that it seems awful damn easy for these thugs to gain control over vast ocean-going vessels.

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