1 Muhahaha.  The conservative long march through Marxist institutions continues apace.

Qwinn

2 So, to make your point, you are granting that deregulation was the cause of the current economic crisis? You are saying that some Democrats were also responsible for the misguided deregulation drumbeat that the Right has been pushing as economic gospel for decades? I'll certainly go along with that.

3 Frankly, I never expected something like that from Mother Jones. 

4

So a lefty is cranky and taking it out on the Obama.  Won't be the last time!  But it does seem to be such a tangential point of dissonance.  Think this is just the first toe extended into the lake of hate?  I mean, old habits are hard to break.  Eight years of BDS might become 12 years of BDS/ODS very easily.

Best Regards

5 ...you are granting that deregulation was the cause of the current economic crisis? You are saying...

Umm, no and no.  I "granted" nothing and "said" nothing.  I provided a link to a story and an excerpt.  No more, no less.

Your argument is with Mother Jones.  Take it there.

6
Leach is a Princeton alum, his grad thesis was on the Soviet Union and he has a lifetime of diplomatic service.

I think his R is a legacy from the family business, not philosophical. Ideological purity is to be expected, and he has it.

7 Leach is a republican*, of course they can crawl out and find fault

*a republican in name only who headed up Republicans for Obama

8 Leach is a Princeton alum, his grad thesis was on the Soviet Union and he has a lifetime of diplomatic service.

Gee. More than we know about President Elect Obambi.

9 Three words:

Twi Light Zone.

10 Who is John Galt?

11 Buyer's remorse and the guy hasn't even taken the oath yet...

12 Oh man, read the comments on the Greenpeace blog...

...those people are severely deluded.

13 You know, this is funny. But the premise is totally absurd. No one with a brain thinks Glass-Steagall should be reinstated. It was a dumb, Roosevelt-era law that never served any purpose. That it was finally repealed after 60 years of stupidity is a tribute to Republican leadership and good sense. G-S, or its absense, had nothing whatever to do with the subprime crisis. If any fingers should be pointed, it should be directly at the originators of these loans and the ultimate garbage can/purchaser(s) Freddie and Fannie.

These lefty memes need to be strangled in their cribs. If McCain knew anything about finance he would have done so. Kind of makes me wish Mitt had gotten up to bat on something like this, just to see what would happen.

14 These lefty memes need to be strangled in their cribs.

Not worth the effort.  New ones spring up like mushrooms after a spring rain.  I'm still waiting for Chimpy to declare martial law to prevent Obama from being sworn in.

15 shit, Purp, I'm still waiting for Bush to open the reeducation camps the left promised us in the 04 campaign. Oh, wait, that's next year...

16

Hmm...

Blacks and Gays fighting...

Now, radicals and leftists falling out...

As the Shadows would say, let the galaxy burn!

17 #12 I was just thinking the same thing.  They not only drank the Kool-Aid, they have been bodily immersed in it for quite a long time.

18 Yeah and I was promised a headmaster position at a re-education camp.  And now I find out there weren't any camps at all?  I've been waiting by my mailbox for that letter for four long years for nothing?  Damn that George Bush!  Damn him to hell!

19

Not worth the effort.  

 

 I am flabbergasted that you said that. That is the reason we got years of the Bush Lied meme, so much so that it became the “truth”. These liberal lies need to be fought tooth and nail at every utterance.

20 I can only imagine the recriminations in about 2 years when a terrorist attack happens in the US.
The 3 three reactions.
1. The US has been and always will be the problem so it brought it on itself.
2. But we elected the Messiah, why do they still hate us?
3. IT'S BUSH'S FAULT, IT'S BUSHES FAULT (infinite loop)

21 These lefty memes need to be strangled in their cribs.

THIS

22 I think Joe The Plumber would have a Counterpoint moment with the Greentool's assessment. We have gone from the McCarthy era to the Orwell era.

23 Like my brother says, "Put a Republican congressman and a Democrat congressman in a sack and roll it down a steep hill, you will always have an ass-hole on top". I love my brother.

24 If you note, Mother Jones puts all the blame for everythig on Gramm and Leach.  I'm pretty sure that I didn't see the names Dodd, Frank, Obama et al. mentioned in connection with the banking collapse.

25 fuck obama

26

The one helpful thing about evil (that is, Liberals) is that it always turns on itself.  Bring on the internecine fighting!  Can you imagine anything more awesome than competing hordes of leftists battling it out (preferably with massive casualties on each side)?  Perhaps the primary fight was merely a foretaste...  Let's hope. 

As for Bush's extermination camps for the eradication of Libtards, I tried to apply for a guard position - but I can't find the damn forms anywhere.  Anybody got a link??

 

27 Glass-Steagall was reformed to allow large U.S. banks to get into investment banking and some other related areas.  Many of the prohibitions in the original GS remain in place.

This was done so that U.S. banks could stay competitive with foreign banks that could always do this stuff.  Nothing in this action contributed to the current crisis.

It is fashionable for Democrats to blame deregulation in general for our problems (and Reagan) as a misdirection from their malfeasance regarding Freddie Mac, CRA, etc. 

And it is working.

28

And it is working.

 

That is because 75% of the people get their news from the big 3 Networks and they only repeated the Dem talking points so the majority of the public NEVER heard anything else. 

 

In addition, stupid McLame refused to attack on this score and was his campaign was crippled by that refusal. This is the single biggest factor that cost him the election.

29 Gramm, by the way, was opposed to CRA since its inception way back in the 1970's.  He fought his whole time in Washington against it, but was blocked by the Democrats (and Republicans who were sleeping).

Any fair analysis of the current mortgage problem must place a significant portion of the blame on CRA, particularly the reforms and stepped-up enforcement in the 1990's. 

As a bank consultant with experience in this period, I can assure everyone that the CRA examinations of the time were frequently conducted by various minorities with agendas.  Small people with big badges.

Regulators have so much power over banks that it is unthinkable to resist or defy recommendations by the FED or their agents.

This is another misdirection:  Blame Gramm instead of the real problem.

30 People who feel threatened for being RECOGNIZED NOW as having been conned to take part in the downfall of American society/civilization while having such high personal "good intentions" do reject the obvious reality that they too enabled and continue to enable Stalinism/Maoism to overwhelm our American Constitutional government and disturb/destroy the "balance of powers" in successive elections.

During Nov.4 Election Day on the radio, Glenn Beck interviewed Sen. Hatch on the Glenn Beck Show. Beck recalled an address by Pres.Eisenhower's Secretary of State, Ezra Taft Benson. In the audio clip, Benson reiterated "the Constitution hanging by a thread" concept within his official Sec. of Agriculture experience in dialogue with Kruschev, visiting America to learn of our Agriculture program. Kruschev laughed at Americans as gullible, already being spoon fed socialism and lapping it up, predicting that by means of vying agricultural programs, the USSR would ECONOMICALLY bury the USA within a two generations.

As things played out, Reagan saw to the downfall of the USSR economy, not via agriculture, but by bringing the Cold War to its logical conclusion--the biggest best guns win the showdown.

HOWEVER, neo-liberal Socialists HAVE bankrupted America, effectively destroying our entire economy as well as the public perception of Capitalism. And exactly what movement enabled the destruction not only of the American economy but global security? ECOLOGY gone radically wildly unscientific. And in which field did ecology FIRST overwhelm America's economy? AGRICULTURE: 1) destroying the individual agrarian ability to survive having lost all competitive edge to big ag business since the FDR Socialist New Deal. 2) destroying the food bank having converted food for the starving masses into the most expensive and wasteful fuel source in order to "compete" or destroy via legislative cap&trade the energy industry. 3) Neo-liberal Leftists cluster-f*cking the realm of "science" by drowning it in the politically correct though scientifically unfounded REVISIONISM of all records, destroying factual research and replacing all recorded data and information with whole cloth fabrication for the global whole sale market. The ridiculous "authentic vs. inauthentic" rationale has permeated the powers that be, leaving us in the irrational environment of mental imprisonment, the ultimate hell wherein there is no thought other than The One.

America has allowed the fraudulent "good intentions" of politicians seeking the easy manipulation of the world's entire population to win this election. EDUCATION and the denial thereof of critical thought won the day via Ayers' heir apparent, and we enter the 21st Century wearing the straight jacket of Marxist Authoritarian Rule.

And exactly who paved the way to Obama's victory? BANKRUPTCY began its governmental exploit via GWBush. For whatever his strength as President for rebuking (initially at least) Islamofascism via our military strength, our borders not only remain wide open because of Bush, but without accounting of personal identity entire populations are infiltrating the USA. Bush has exploited immigration all along in order to DESTABILIZE America. The latest example: Visas are no longer required from S.KOREA where Communist North Koreans are allowed asylum and the S.Korean allegiance is with N.Korea more than with the USA.  [McCain, too, would have been a two-step back for every step forward Chief Executive, though a good Commander in Chief.]

BANKRUPTCY of the individual via audacious taxfunded BAIL-OUTS and bankruptcy of the federal government as the Treasury Secretary has been authorized to plunder whatever and destroy our government's Constitutional balance of powers with no legal liabilities. Bush has ushered in the BANKRUPTCY of America in order to empower his own elitist element, "The Untouchable" puppeteers insulated from Our Reality.

ECOLOGY DESTROYS THE CONSTITUTION
 
In conclusion, Kruschev noted that Russia would ECONOMICALLY bring the US down. And ironically, it is the ecological movement that neo-liberals (communists/fascists) progressively endorsed that has brought a united front against our Constitution and against Capitalism in favor of neo-liberal authoritarian rule by radicals.

However, "liberty" in Russia has NEVER been the Constitutional existence that our Founders provided Americans. Russia is sadly unique, having been isolated by the Romanov dynasty for centuries from both east/asia and west/europe. Russians have never experienced "liberty" because of their own particular authoritarian aristocracy vs. vast serfdom population of peasant cultural history that NEVER progressed through a middle class into a balanced society. Their destabilization was aided by the radical Jewish Socialist population in Russia, uniquely fingered non-citizen intelligentsia who manipulated the Cossacks and peasants to provide the forces leading the world's first Communist victorious war on the international scene. Russia in 1917 went Communist first, before China or anyone. And because there never was a "middle class" in Russia, when Communism failed, Capitalism never had a middle class chance in that RUSSIAN CULTURE. Capitalism in Russia only enabled the (ex-)Communist Party official thugs aka the current Russian mafia to manipulate the entire population to remain under THEIR revised authoritarian rule gangland style. Understandably though still a threat to us, Putin is trying to restore the security of his own motherland, Russia; and is succeeding because he is the brilliant opponent whom Bush failed to match in our current international RISK game. Anyway, Putin is putting Russia back together again while GWBush has toppled our Constitutional design like Humpty Dumpty. The Bush family has never been conservative, only power seekers to enable their own Ivy League internationalist elitists.

RUSSIA DID NOT BRING DOWN THE AMERICAN ECONOMY. The uneducated American neo-liberal Progressive revisionists whose only concern was to gain POWER succeeded in their Socialist agenda VIA "AGRICULTURE" aka 'GLOBAL WARMING' Kyoto Treaty (international grudge pay back for USA not signing on) "GLOBAL CLIMATE CHANGE" AlGorical GREEN shit. Add to that, the "compassionate NOT-conservative" GWB BAIL-OUT SYNDROME to bankrupt tax payers AND removing and insulating the President's Treasury Secretary of ANY limitations to spend whatever a Treasury Secretary sees fit to spend on whatever the secretary sees fit--to do whatever the hell the secretary wants with no one able to stop the secretary, and then the Obamanation CAP&TRADE BANKRUPT BUSINESS SYNDROME AND BAIL-OUT SYNDROME combined with the Treasury Secretary's new UNTOUCHABLE office powers to raid and totally manipulate the FEDERAL RESERVE and ALL FEDERAL INCOME however said secretary sees fit (ALWAYS AN INSIDER FROM THE HIGHEST HEIRARCHY OF GOLDMAN SACHS global banking system)--PERFECT STORM.

31 Wow.

32

I'd love it if groups like Greenpinkos go after Barry for not being radical enough. A couple a ACLU lawsuits against his administration would be sweet too.

33 Posted by: maverick muse at November 13, 2008 09:01 AM (F1b/5)

Speed kills, dude.

34 "In the two years before Glass-Steagall was repealed in 1999, financial service industries gave $58 million to congressional campaigns; $87 million to political parties; and spent $163 million lobbying Washington....Nearly a decade later, our financial markets--and everyday Americans--are paying the price."

The gall of this man. At opensecrets.org you will find that Obama got $ 20.6 million in contributions from "securities/investment, miscellaneous finance, and commercial banks compared to McCain's $ 14.8 million. In thousands of dollars Obama received from Merrill-Lynch - 229, Citigroup - 582, Morgan-Stanley - 425, Goldman-Sachs - 874, and J P Morgan 581. McCain's campaign: Merrill-Lynch- 360, Citigroup - 296, Morgan-Stanley - 263, Goldman-Sachs - 229, J P Morgan - 215.
 

35

Bill Clinton was responsible for gutting our military and intelligence agencies leaving us vulnerable to Islamic extremism and left our military unable to respond up to it's capability.  He also directly led to the crippling of our economy by ramming through CRA and corupting Fannie and Freddie.  People often forget we had to spend hundreds of billions to repair the damage that Clinton did to our military and hundreds of billions more to repair the damage of 9/11 not to mention the wars we have had to fight to counter the feckless and mindless policies of the Clinton administration which ignored the growing dangers in the middle east and Afghanistan and defered leadership to the multi-culti assclowns in the UN. 

The Bush administration had to deal with the results of Clinton policies when everything went sideways yet our incredibly smart and capable msm has built Clinton into some mythical rogue that was super awesome for the country while turning Bush into a cartoon. The idiots in the msm still can't seem to grasp that Wall Street and deregulation didn't cause shit.  If you put tainted gas into your car you don't blame the engine for blowing up. 

With the benefit of time and a less partisan look at the facts, history will have a much different view of what got us to this point.  That is if we all aren't broke and living on government collectives.

36 Die you fucking sock puppet, die!

37

If any fingers should be pointed, it should be directly at the originators of these loans and the ultimate garbage can/purchaser(s) Freddie and Fannie.

I am disappointed that this wasn't hammered over and over: It was an Affirmative Action Market Meltdown.

38 Posted by: maverick muse at November 13, 2008 09:01 AM (F1b/5)

Uhh, you might want to fact-check your cut/paste. For example, Ezra Taft Benson was never Secretary of State (he was SecAg for Eisenhower).

39 - ... I have hope that our own dark Joe McCarthy era has  ended with this election...

Hey! Maybe this means that the Global Whiners will stop trying to strip meteorologists of their credentials or otherwise attempt to ruin people's lives simply for the "hate crime" of pointing out that the globe has been cooling for ten years running.

I know. I'm a shameless optimist.

40

Oh now this is surprising news, George Soros is set to testify before the Senate Finance Committee today about the credit crisis.

Man, I sure didn't see that one coming.

41 - I'm still waiting for Bush to open the reeducation camps the left promised us in the 04 campaign. Oh, wait, that's next year...

Right. Remarketed as the 'civil service' training Rahmmy has promised, which teaches our youth "what it means to be an American".

42 or otherwise attempt to ruin people's lives simply for the "hate crime" of pointing out that the globe has been cooling for ten years running.

Good luck with that.  Just asking a question makes you a "climate criminal" these days.  Words and logic simply do not work with these people, because its in fact become a religion based on faith.

43 - Good luck with that.

I need much more practice getting my sarcasm across. :-)

44 I consider myself a fairly level-headed guy, no tinfoil-hat paranoiac or conspiracy monger, no victim of Obama Derangement Syndrome. I rely on reason and follow the logic wherever it takes me--which is why, of course, I am a conservative Republican. So: at what point, I wonder, do they start shutting us down? For one thing, Marxist socialists cannot abide dissent. For another, when things start going badly--so badly even a sympathetic press won't be able to gloss it over--someone must be blamed for the failure of the Plan, whatever the Plan might be. We live in interesting times. 

45

Uh-oh. It looks like someone at Mother Jones is going to need some self-criticism sessions.

46 So: at what point, I wonder, do they start shutting us down?

I just want the contracts to build the camps...that way I can make sure I'm guaranteed a really plush crib once they come for me.

47 Why is there even a G-nn meeting planned with the biggest economy in political transition?

48 http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/

"Something of Historic Proportion is Happening"

A reader comment over at Dollard's place nails it. Plain and simple .... and true. This is what I see. I wish I had written it. (hat tip mg)

I am a student of history. Professionally. I have written 15 books in six languages, and have studied it all my life. I think there is something monumentally large afoot, and I do not believe it is just a banking crisis, or a mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they are merely single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming into a sharper focus.

Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it because I know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people react to it. Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something happening within our country that has been evolving for about ten - fifteen years. The pace has dramatically quickened in the past two.

We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our banks make massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why?

We learn just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has little or no real oversight by anyone, has “loaned” two trillion dollars (that is $2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell us to whom or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine. And that is three times the 700B we all argued about so strenuously just this past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are the terms unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought this was a government of “we the people,” who loaned our powers to our elected leaders. Apparently not.

We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing our economy. Why?

We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our history, and no longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and why we are worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think critically, read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not picketing, school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why?

We have now established the precedent of protesting every close election (now violently in California over a proposition that is so controversial that it wants marriage to remain between one man and one woman. Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?). We have corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges to write laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream Marxist groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana republic. To what purpose?

Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in free fall, major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge of collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is medicare and our entire government, our education system is worse than a joke (I teach college and know precisely what I am talking about)–the list is staggering in its length, breadth, and depth. It is potentially 1929 x ten. And we are at war with an enemy we cannot name for fear of offending people of the same religion, who cannot wait to slit the throats of your children if they have the opportunity to do so.

And now we have elected a man no one knows anything about, who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as big as Wasilla, Alaska. All of his associations and alliances are with real radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we learn about him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely you have heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No? Oh of course. The media would never play that for you over and over and then demand he answer it. Sarah Palin’s pregnant daughter and $150,000 wardrobe is more imporant.)

Mr. Obama’s winning platform can be boiled down to one word: change.

Why?

I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I am now.

This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he has never, ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama will divide us along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign the pieces into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming. And when it comes, you will never see the same nation again.

And that is only the beginning.

And I thought I would never be able to experience what the ordinary, moral German felt in the mid-1930s. In those times, the savior was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from the streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What they did know was that he was associated with groups that shouted, shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he edged his way onto the political stage through great oratory and promises. Economic times were tough, people were losing jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and waved a lot. And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear that his “brown shirts” would bully them into submission. And then, he was duly elected to office, a full-throttled economic crisis at hand [the Great Depression]. Slowly but surely he seized the controls of government power, department by department, person by person, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The kids joined a Youth Movement in his name, where they were taught what to think. How did he get the people on his side? He did it promising jobs to the jobless, money to the moneyless, and goodies for the military-industrial complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun control, health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to re-instill pride once again in the country, across Europe, and across the world.

He did it with a compliant media–did you know that? And he did this all in the name of justice and . . . change. And the people surely got what they voted for.

(Look it up if you think I am exaggerating.)

Read your history books. Many people objected in 1933 and were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and made fun of. When Winston Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in the House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was booed into his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though.

Don’t forget that Germany was the most educated, cultured country in Europe. It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals, laboratories, and universities. And in less than six years–a shorter time span than just two terms of the U. S. presidency–it was rounding up its own citizens, killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against parents, and neighbors against neighbors. All with the best of intentions, of course. The road to Hell is paved with them.

As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional decisions, I have a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of evidence tell me (even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what history is shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can hope I am wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring what is transpiring around me.

Some people scoff at me, others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. Perhaps I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and tell them exactly what I believe–and why I believe it.

I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am.

49 I know it is strange and exciting to see liberals already criticizing our president-elect.  That is probably because it took about 6 years before any Republican didn't happily swallow any piece of shit offered by our current genius in chief.

Wow.  Obama isn't going to make everybody happy?  Shock of shockers!

And you all need to stick to one message or another.  On one hand, Obama is a mealy mouthed wimp who will be walked all over by every tin pot dictator in the world.  On the other hand, Obama is a facist strong man who will take your guns, take your money and lock all his dissenters into political prisons. 

Which is it?  Is he Chamberlin or Stalin?  Or are you suggesting that Obama is too weak to stand up to everybody in the entire world - except you guys? 

Guess what, the election is over.  You can acually stop trying to turn Obama into an villain and start rationally looking at the things he is actually doing.

50 Which is it?  Is he Chamberlin or Stalin?

In two years we'll know.

51 So just shout both until then knowing that at least one of these stupid ideas is certainly untrue?

Nice.

52 So just shout both until then knowing that at least one of these stupid ideas is certainly untrue?

Nice.

It worked for you with "Bush is an evil genius/Bush is a drooling moron".

53 Bush was never a genius (evil or otherwise).  Never. 

54

Chamberlin or Stalin? Neither. I vote Lenin as closest historical comparison. As Churchill wrote, the Germans dropped Lenin like a dangerous bacilli into the heart of Russia. So who planned the Obama candidacy? Who groomed Obama from the beginning, ensuring he went to the right schools and met the right people? Who came up with the idea to preemptively disqualify Obama's opponents for his state senate run? Who orchestrated the takeover of the Democratic Party by its far-left fringe? Who engineered the opening of the Ryan divorce records? Who timed news release of the subprime meltdown just prior to the election? Who whispered into the ear of a sympathetic press and sparked the chararacter assassination of Sarah Palin? I don't know.  Lots of questions, no answers. And maybe I am being unnecessarily alarmist. Wait and see, I guess. A very good chef once told me sometimes you just gotta let it cook.

55 Seattle Slough, President Bush is not a genius, but he was smart enough to beat Al Gore, self-proclaimed genius, and to carry the same GPA as John Kerry while attending Yale--Bush's was slightly higher, in fact, and both Bush and Kerry were considered underachievers by their professors. Further, his MBA from Harvard gives President Bush more solid academic credentials than either Gore or Kerry. Attempting to portray the President as a dunderhead simply doesn't fly. Oliver Stone is not an authority on anything.

56

It is true, free, that Mussolini started as a political journalist (as opposed to our media that are journalists, political) who enlisted a compliant media to create such a popular frenzy that he was ultimately invited to power, not elected.  Hitler noticed.

I would add that Marx was a journalist too, and is still aided to this day through the sympathetic views of his comrades in the press.  If one compares, say, the Communist Manifesto with Wealth of Nations, it becomes readily apparent, which is the book on economics and which is the book of political incitement.

It is timely to again sound this warning when the press becomes one-sided and gathers an agenda and mission.  Double that risk during economic troubles.

As we have seen in recent years with the 2000 election, and the strange case of Valerie Plame, it is not just the causes of the mortgage crisis, or Palin, that have been deliberately manipulated.  The mist of propaganda is slowly descending, and it would probably make Goebbels proud.

57 "And maybe I am being unnecessarily alarmist."

Ya think?

58 IllTemperedCur, that's correct, and thanks for the edit as the point of my thought being Agriculture, the one element with which regardless of all else we must have for survival. "State" was a slip from frequency of usage--so no cut/paste as original critique is mine alone.

Ironic, how agriculture and getting bail-outs began with not growing a damned thing, having now mushroomed into bail-outs for refusing to be efficient and effective and chronically clinging to corruption as modus operandi into ALL FACETS and all eschelons of our economy and our government. Hardly a founding principle, and certainly not an original guarantee of our Constitution.

We have too many examples; Mother Jones on Obamarx, NYT on bailing GM a bad idea, public educators having raised generations of pedantic neo-liberals on a revised doctrine of ECOLOGY hell bent on destroying humanity in order to save the world. With all "good intentions" everyone wants to bail-out of responsibility as if the political game of musical chairs, aka general election campaign, will solve all or anything.

What we have on our hands is a government and educational system and workplace environment wherein authoritarian rules according to Socialist PC dictate all facets of life, encroaching into our homes and places of refuge.

It is time for conservative think tanks and personalities to effectively organize, particularly the media personalities from radio to internet, to affiliate in order to preserve free speech before finding themselves hijacked by authoritarian rule. Define platform, strategy, tactics and responsibilities, working smarter and harder to thrive. Competition is a good thing, but organization requires cooperative responsibility. And the neo-liberal media news ARE organized and cooperative with eachother, well entrenched as "established" pre-empts reliable in the revised newspeak world.

FarmerJoe, I took a break while distancing myself from the disappointing election results for a clean mull period. It would appear that the "buyers remorse" critique mentioned above is accurate. Those who elected Obama most likely belong in two BASIC categories: lazy go-alongs, and power thirsty opportunists. Though an amalgam, do-gooders like Mother Jones don't want to be seen as either.

59 Seattle Sloughboy seems to be under the delusion that defending Bush from morons on the left amounted to blind approval of him. Even here, where we are enjoying the fact that Mother Jones is going after Obama, most are laughing at the stupidity of their reasoning. And Stalin vs. Chamberlain is a false choice. The moonbat narrative of "blame America first" makes it rather easy to picture a fusion of the two, just as authoritarian impulses manifest themselves differently depending upon the culture and institutions  in a particular country.

60 Time will tell, Seattle Slough, you pretentious lightweight. You are, after all, the one who bought into that 'Bush as idiot' smear, and no doubt believe in a whole array of other fantasies and lies. And I notice, too, you didn't bother to address any of the questions I raised. Who did arrange the release of the Ryan divorce records, an action whose chief beneficiary was and is Barack Obama? You know all and see all, right? So who was it?

61

Seattle, you have a lot of balls.

You and the other idiots of change and hope spent the last 8 years, lying, slandering and demeaning a good but hardly perfect president to obtain your political goals.  You never stopped being shrill and dishonest and you didn't give a damn that we had men and women in harms way or what affect your infantile behavior might have on them. 

You didn't give a shit that things like rendition and secret prisons were actually extensions of programs begun under Clinton, you demanded Bush be tried on war crimes for them.  You didn't give a fuck that Clinton started an pervasive system of using the NSA to listen to the phone calls of virtually everyone on the planet, you screamed like little children that Chimpy McHitler was denying your Constitutional rights despite the fact you idiots haven't got a clue what the Constitution says and only pay attention to the points you like.  You whinned about fascism when most of you morons couldn't even spell the word much less have any idea what it looks like yet you can't bring yourself to admit that it is almost verboten to criticize The One, everything is racist.

Every damn thing Bush did you children threw a tantrum over not giving a shit what it would do to our standing in the world, only caring that you could help derail Bush from getting anything done despite the fact he has kept the country safe from terrorist attacks, won, yea I said won, in Iraq, disarmed countries such as Libya, brought Syria to heel and on and on.  You classless idiots never missed a chance to whine and pretend like any success was do to anyone but Bush.

And now you want people to give Obama, the least vetted, most far left, friend of domestic terrorists, unqualified clown a honeymoon?

Fuck you and fuck Obama. 

62 Greenpeace is, of course, pro-global warming, because Greenpeace is, of course, anti-nuclear power.

All the happy thoughts of bringing people together are all nice and good but does anyone actually think that some half the population is in favor of a trashed environment?   Clean air, clean water, safe food?  Where is the disagreement?

We'd already *be* on the same team concerning the environment if people were more concerned with what *works* than with who to vilify today.

Save the World Obama!   The World has waited for you!

And wouldn't it be kewl if, he, you know, became a vegetarian?  Cows are evil, man.

63 Oh, sorry... guess we weren't talking about that anymore.  ;-)

64 JackStraw:

My what a shrill and idiotic statement that was.

And how about you go fuck yourself instead?

65 There will be questioning of "The One" in this chilling new day. The fake, plastic Messiah has declared "arbeit macht frei." So, shut the fuck up.

66 Probably would've made more sense to say no questioning.

67 Witty comeback you dishonest turd.  Better than your usual mindless crap.

68 Dishonest?

You do realize that the right spewed out more dishonest (and ridiculous) nonsense about Obama in the last three months than was put out against Bush in 8 years. 

He's a secret muslim.
He attended a radical Madrassa.
He's not a US Citizen.
He forged a Hawaiian Birth Certificate.
He was born in Canada.
He was born in Kenya.
He is an ardent supporter of Kenya's current dictator.
He's a communist.
He's a fascist.
He was a crack dealer.
He had an affair with a woman.
He had an affair with a man.
He was child-raped by a man.
He was fathered by Malcolm X.
He is a sleeper terrorist agent.
William Ayers is a close personal friend of Barack Obama.
William Ayers ghost-wrote Barack Obama's biography.
Barack Obama engaged in acts of terrorism while at Columbia University.
There exists a tape wherein Obama's wife is ranting about "Whitey" with Louis Farrakhan. 
There exists a tape wherein Obama's wife is ranting about white people with a hithertofore unknown Norwegian (by way of Kenya) blogger.

Etc.

You guys should be proud of how you handled yourselves this election season.  Mighty proud.

69 I'd like to jump in here a give Seattle Slough a suggestion: go fuck yourself with a rusty chainsaw you lefty pile of dung.

70 JackStraw is the one talking about fucking people.  Not me.  I merely suggested he fuck himself because that would probably be a lot easier than fucking me or President-Elect Obama.

71

To respond, Seattle Slough:

He's a secret muslim: Straw man. I personally doubt Obama believes in God, any god.
He attended a radical Madrassa: No, he attended a radical pseudo-Christian church whose pastor preaches radical Black Liberation Theology. You can split those hairs, if you like.
He's not a US Citizen: Not seriously taken by anyone. Obama was a guy who preemptively disqualified his political opponents in the Illinois state senate race. Unlikely he would leave a citizenship door open for his own opponents to exploit.
He forged a Hawaiian Birth Certificate: see above.
He was born in Canada: see above.
He was born in Kenya: see above.
He is an ardent supporter of Kenya's current dictator: Could be. It's worth exploring.
He's a communist: Obama was a card-carrying member of the fusion New Party in Chicago, which was/is openly sympathetic to socialist views and radical causes. Obama has never repudiated the views he held while a member of that party.
He's a fascist: That 'Civil Defense Force' proposal of his automatically invokes Godwin's Law wherever it's floated, but no, 'fascist' in the Obama context refers to the treatment of his critics, who are shouted down and shut out by Obama's 'truth squads' and staff.
He was a crack dealer: No, he was an admitted cocaine user, which kinda sorta trumps Todd Palin's DUI.
He had an affair with a woman: The woman in question is now esconced in the Caribbean. It's worth pursuing.
He had an affair with a man: Haven't heard that one.
He was child-raped by a man: Haven't heard that one, either.
He was fathered by Malcolm X: Malcom X was faithful to his wife, unlike Elijah Mohammed.
He is a sleeper terrorist agent: Terrorist? No, but I think there's grounds to believe Obama is hiding his true, more extremist beliefs.
William Ayers is a close personal friend of Barack Obama: He is. Obama lied about the extent of his relationship with Ayers.
William Ayers ghost-wrote Barack Obama's biography: Uncertain, although there are indisputable stylistic similarities between Ayers' and Obama's books, as well as recurrent use of nautical metaphors, an Ayers' tic. It's worth pursuing.
Barack Obama engaged in acts of terrorism while at Columbia University: Haven't heard that one.
There exists a tape wherein Obama's wife is ranting about "Whitey" with Louis Farrakhan: Heard about it. No evidence. 
There exists a tape wherein Obama's wife is ranting about white people with a hithertofore unknown Norwegian (by way of Kenya) blogger: Proven hoax.

Bottom line: Very little is known about Barack Obama other than what he and his flacks and surrogates choose to tell us. More is known about Sarah Palin's RNC-bought wardrobe and squabbles with a former brother-in-law than is known in toto about Barack Obama. Throwing up straw men as you do is an attempt to obscure this central fact.

72 Good try Seattle ploughboy. When you moonbats wet yourselves over someone with zero accomplishments and no record who engages in rampant dishonesty about the known facts about his past people are going to try and flesh out the full picture. A lot of the research and speculation you point to was actually done by fellow Democrats - Hillary supporters - who did not swallow the Kool Aid like the rest of you zombies because they were dumbfounded by the free ride your patron saint of leftist clownology got in the primaries.

He is still somewhat of a mystery and while you freaks project all manner of saintly virtues on him, we are well-schooled enough in the scumbaggery of the far left to be open to the opposite narrative. Doesn't mean we buy every last fringe allegation but up until now he's gotten a free ride to be gutless, secretive and dishonest about all manner of  things. Now he can't hide behind anyone and we'll be able to get a full measure of him, but anyone who didn't have their curiosity sparked by his past is an idiot.

73 Why on earth would you think that using cocaine was worse than driving while intoxicated?

And for the record, Bush had a DUI and never exactly denied using cocaine or marijuana either.

74 Obama as a National Socialist could let both views be true.  Retreat from the world and oppress at home.

75 And how is this guy a mystery?

I love it how people like you, who didn't bother to read either of his books, or read anything about him that isn't on a right wing blog complain that you don't know anything about him.  No shit. 

Ace, on this blog was posting about his academic record completely unaware that he had attended Columbia University.  What the hell is that?

Give me a break.  Did you at least watch the Frontline special on both candidates called "The Choice?"  If you didn't, you can't complain about this person, who you show no actual interest in getting to know, being a mystery.

Here's 50 stupid/telling facts about Obama to get you started:  http://tinyurl.com/6jkuy7

 

76 Lame retort, Seattle Slough. Obama has admitted to cocaine use, and possession of cocaine is a crime tantamount to a first-time DUI conviction, depending on amount, thus a DUI is no more criminally reprehensible than Obama's admitted crime. Secondly, Todd Palin is Sarah Palin spouse, not the candidate herself; thus, what the First Dude did 20 years ago has little bearing on her character or qualifications for office while the drugs Obama put into his body have a great deal of bearing on his character and qualifications for office. Lastly, Obama didn't state whether or not he drove while high. A recovering drunk and addict (with many years of continous sobriety), I drove while high on a number of occasions. I'm betting Obama did, too. People doing cocaine rarely just sit around, after all.

77 Oh, right, Seattle Slough: PBS Frontline as the final word on the life and times of Barack Obama. And Obama's autobiography? Well, gee. I guesss you can't imagine a more objective source than someone's fucking autobiography. Guess it's all settled, then. My bad. 

78 Obama is going to be a one-termer because things are going to go to shit in the next couple of years. Plus, due to his incompetence, the protective shield GW Bush has maintained will lapse, resulting in a major terrorist attack.

Those of you backing Palin are dreaming, though. If Obama does bungle, the country is not about to hand the keys to another novice.

79 I'm a staunch Palin supporter, docweasel. And while I'm sure Obama's people will use lots of words to describe her four years from now, I doubt novice will be one of them.

80 So you saw/read it?

No?  How about you start there and then see what you are missing.  That's where (his books that is) the cocaine and marijuana admission comes from you know.  That wasn't opposition research.

Just because right wing bloggers say he is a total mystery doesn't mean he is. 

And the reason driving while drunk is worse than recreational use of cocaine is obvious.  If you are drunk enough to get pulled over, you were drunk enough to kill somebody.  Obama never got caught using cocaine and admitted he used it on his own.  (the fact that there are analogous punishments for first time offenders means absolutely nothing)

Bush clearly used cocaine and marijuana and Clinton clearly used marijuana (and probably cocaine as well).  That Obama was honest enough to come out and actually admit it is actually a good thing. 

81 Bush clearly used cocaine and marijuana

Just because leftwing bloggers say this doesn't mean it's true.

Funny how that works, isn't it?

82 Color me cynical, Seattle Slough, but a politician admits nothing without coercion that is not politically expedient. Obama--in all probability--did cocaine with friends and acquaintences; i.e., witnesses, so he probably figured it was best to admit it up-front rather than have enemies find out on their own.  And I'm not excusing Todd Palin's DUI--you're right, he could've killed someone, but so could Obama while under the influence of cocaine, marijuana, or any number of other illegal drugs. As a person in recovery, I literally thank God every day that I did not kill or cripple someone when I was out there.

83 hope and change has been good for gun sales especially ugly black ones that set a liberals heart all a twitter.watch for bongo to call for common sense gun laws which will be used to try and disarm us before sending us to a nice gated community.i hope it never comes to that however i prepare for everything including extra food.i wonder how many of us would actually stand up for our republic?

84

bruce, I wouldn't advocate building bunkers or taking to the ramparts just yet. Buying arms and ammunition is a commonsense measure simply because we know--based on Obama's statements--he is very much in favor of very tight restrictions on gun ownership, 2nd Amendment be damned. In the very least, he's going to jack up ammunition prices by 500% or so, so stocking up now is only prudent. However, if you're trying to get a show of hands on those in favor of a shooting war with our own government, try again. I say resist, sure. Oppose. Defy. Protest. Do all of those things, but do so peacefully. Dissent is patriotic, or so I've been told.

85 As to the comment about "deregulation":

It's true, conservatives do want less regulation of the private sector.  The private sector.

We do not want less regulation of Government Sponsored Enterprises (Fannie & Freddie).  We never have.

Liberals are trying to pull a fast one on the public, equating less regulation in the private sector (which we support) with less oversight of GSEs (which they supported), through sloppy use of the word "deregulation".

And it's working.  See comment #2 from smiling_dog; I bet he doesn't even know that his post is BS.

86 Ace, please stop referring to B.O. as the "Messiah".  People might start to believe it!

87 Did not know he collected Spider-man comix.
Is he a pre-Straczynski fan, or the current Spidey?

tony
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88 William Ayers is a close personal friend of Barack Obama.

Ayers now admits Obama is a "family friend".  How long before we find that some of the other things on your list might in fact also be true?  The guy's not even in office yet and the facade is starting to fall apart. 

89 The work is done, obama has been dragged across the finish line. No one cared during the campaign, they will care less now. Ayers is and was a non-factor, even if he should have been.

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