1 The upside is Obama's cultist/civil defense enforcers will probably have uniforms, making it easier to shoot them.

2 Think of the parades! Thousands marching in perfect formations in from of my reviewing stand.

Oh and the berets!

3

Just calm down.  Nothing to worry about.  They just got a great deal on brown shirts. 

 

 

4 It would be awesome if the "common experience" involved a card section.
Maybe Obama could invite Madeline Albright to watch it with him.

5 On the positive side, it would make a hell of a good issue to run against for the GOP. Nobody wants a federal security force, regardless who holds the office of president. That amount of power is ridiculously dangerous, which is why there are very important laws limiting the type of use of the military for domestic "emergencies". Eventually, someone will "cross the Rubicon" and misuse it.

6

And in answer to this post's question:

heavy gunfire.

7 They kids could volunteer to work at GM and Chrysler, at least until the economy was better.

8 Don't you (2..3..4..1..2) forget about me....

9 Oh, the O-bots aren't exactly what you would call "disciplined" now are they?  If they want to get together and march around singing praise cadences for their lord and master all they'll succeed in doing will be to creep most Americans out.  Most of them think sacrifice invloves going without foam on their latte, just wait until "the one" asks them to do any sort of heavy lifting-and you thought they were rough on Bush.

10
"we’re gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it’s not gonna be apparent initially, it’s not gonna be apparent that we’re right."

Biden speaking to the Obamabots

It is possible that Biden was giving his people a heads up about this.

We will know what he is up to if he starts to cut military spending and starves the armed forces for funding, recruitment, training time, and spare parts. He may also introduce diversity programs into the military to bring in more Obama supporters.

He needs a force to counter-balance the conservative military and one that is not hampered by the Posse Comitatus act of 1878.

11 This is just another reason we must "support" Barry, as all the talkies are saying these days.

12 You just heard the voice of fascism.

Buy guns and ammunition.

13 My only question is will Slublog give in to Obama Derangement Syndrome before the inauguration or after?

14 _{How Exactly Do We Fight Compulsory the "Civil Defense" Army}ummm with guns?

15 Comment #1 is a troll.

16 Here's a novel idea.  How about we fucking enforce the CURRENT laws on the books and that alone would greatly enhance our fucking security.

17 Don't use the H-word.  Use the M(ao)-word.

18 "bullets first"?

Posse comitatus and all that should prevent this, huh?

19 Rahm was trained as a classical ballet dancer early on.  Strict discipline.  Interesting stuff he picked up in ballet class.  The teachers are merciless.

20 Becker and Posner looked at compulsory civil service and concluded it was an incredibly wasteful endeavor, not just because what they would be doing would be make-work, but more importantly because it would keep people out of the work force. When a graduate should make $35,000-45,000 coming out of school (or more), instead they are being paid bupkis to bag sand, guard windmills and direct traffic. These people already exist. They're called "volunteers." The people of Tennessee have heard of them.

21

This is pre-Hitler stuff, ace, think Italy 1930s.

Obama will become:

il Douché

The parallels will be striking. 

Mussolini got the trains to run on time.   Obama will improve light rail in the urban areas.

Mussolini was able to effect sweeping organizational changes in the government.  Obama will do the same.

Mussonlini put together a domestic paramilitary force that was able to ensure his power.  Obama seeks to do likewise.

Mussolini fielded a military that was unable to defeat frickin' Ethopia.  Obama will work to do the same.

Obama:  il Douché

22 Wonder if the "National Security Force" will be looking over everyone's shoulder to make sure that they 'are in compliance' with the Chosen One's wishes?  Maybe set up an "Internal Security Bureau" to had out bonuses to those who can come up with dirt on their neighbors.  How many of the NSF will be dedicated to guarding the re-education camps?  Given their aversion to the death penalty, will they even be armed?

23 "Posse comitatus and all that should prevent this, huh?"

Obama is defining this as civilian. Don't count on the constitution and various acts necessarily stopping this fellow.

24 I'm unloading at the first goose step.

25 Obama has a a great strategy of saying that he's going to do something like this and then not doing it in order to make it look like Republicans are just overreacting.

26 Ace, I've only read your first paragraph, so far, but I had to respond, immediately that I feel exactly the same way. I'm very, very, VERY worried about this. I don't want to be seen as over-reacting, either, but when has a compulsory civil defense corps ever come to a good end, in countries like Cuba, Germany, Soviet Union, China, North Korea, and Venezuela, for instance? I don't trust these s.o.b.'s for one second. This can't be allowed.

Okay, I'll read the rest of your post, now.

27 ATTENTION EVERYONE: If he builds this thing, WE CANNOT SIT BACK AND JUST COMPLAIN AND FIGHT AGAINST IT.

We MUST join it.  Maybe not in our lifetimes, but one day this paramilitary civilian force will be used against the citizenry that are not a part of it, and on that day WE MUST BE ON THE INSIDE.  Maybe I sound crazy.  I don't care.  We have to be on the inside to ensure that this group is not used against the citizens of the country.

If he builds it, and he will try (because it will be a gun-carrying crowd loyal to leftist policy, which the current military generally is not, and guns mean power if things go badly), we cannot just chastise and complain.  We MUST get involved and play key roles in higher positions of power.  Infiltrate and subvert must be two words we get to know well.

I'm just sayin'.

28

The Obama Jugend will lead us into a new era of peace, prosperity, and harmony.

At gunpoint if neccessary.

29 Posse comitatus has largely kept the military from intervening in civilian life. That is why having a non-military force not bound by the Posse Comitatus Act is worrying. I trust the traditions and military personel of the US armed forces not to act against the interests of the Republic. A CNSF "Civilian National Security Force" not so much.

30 "So the difficulty is formulating a response which doesn't sound crazy."

 See? You have already hamstrung yourself. You are self censoring....my god, at this rate barry won't have to lift a finger to do whatever he wants.
 Stop worry about how you look, and start worrying about what is really happening.
 This isn't a joke and this isn't harmless and anyone that thinks you look stupid for pointing out the coming of the police state will, in history, be called a complete moron. And not the good kind either.........
 Sack up....

31 Comment #1 is a long time reader and poster and stands behind his comment 100%.

32

What always impresses me about these types of situations is the way the people taking the role of the Brownshirts - the Kos Kids and such - forget that there are the Black Shirts - the Rahm Emmanuels.

History won't repeat itself.  Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.  That'd never happen.

33

So are we changing Hot dogs and apple pie to Saurkraut and  wienershnitzel?

He'll just change the constitution or with the help of the entire in the tank MSM, paint this as something that is good for us and is desperatly needed, while burying its real intent and image. When we are al lin  camps, perhaps people will finally have buyers remorse!

34 “Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual, uninvolved, uninformed”

Michelle Obama

Well, at least we cannot pretend that they didn't tell us.

35 Maybe if the "civil defense army" had a snappy name, it would be okay.

Something like, just spitballing here....

The Praetorian Guard.

That would be awesome!

36 Anyone who hasn't read Jonah Goldberg's book Liberal Fascism should give it a read sometime soon. America was in the vanguard of Fascism prior to the rise of Hitler. Indeed, one can trace the demonization of Fascism back to Joseph Stalin who regarded it as a heresy of true Socialism.

To be fair to our President-elect, he probably intends to implement something like the 1968 Prague Spring before the Soviet tanks rolled in. And if "communism with a human face" somehow doesn't perpetuate his political power, he'll try something else.

The bottom line is that paramilitary Obama-youth gives one pause, but they'd be scarier if he had the NRA behind him, or had the power to disarm the populace. After all, he is the commander-in-chief of people who have demonstrated that they are the very best at killing people and breaking things in the whole world.

More likely the purpose of the Obama-youth is political mischief, not warfare

37 WOW. This whole plan is total batshit crazy. And thats Obama's genius: his plans will be so nuts any resistance to them will appear to be right wing nut-jobs, and it is he that will be mainstream. "Trust me, paramilitary army? No just community organizers doing good deeds and stuff. And forced labor..."

38  Go ahead...visit the museum that is Dachau and see for yourself the faces of all those people that didn't want to look silly for overreacting and didn't think it could really, really happen there either..............

39

It's going to be tough for this secret police force to be scary when none of  them can manage 10 push-ups.

Seriously, this is a bad, bad idea. All the shit Obama is talking about is already handled by federal law enforcement, including hurricane relief.

40 JimK is right. That may be the only option open due to the MSM and the slavish Obamabots refusing to question 'The One'. A voluntary force (Obama Youth) would be far worse than a compulsory force as the military training, organization, and weapons would be in the hands of the Obama people.

41

Every proletariat needs a vanguard, don't you know.

Each night in their barracks, the faithful will read a passage from Dreams From My Father: A Story Of Race And Inheritance and reflect on their wisdom. Dorm leaders will hand out stiff punishments to those who fail the quiz afterwards.

 

42 Not the H-word, the Z-word (Zimbabwe). Can you say "war veterans"?

We have an organization to protect us from enemies foreign (the miltary) and domestic (the police). The Obama Army would be just as redundant, corrupt and useless as the Department of Homeland Security (y'all DID oppose creation of DHS, didn't you? Or were you sniffing Bush bush?). The military is the only part of the government that actually still gives a shit about the Constitution (the police certainly don't). It would be handy to have an armed force without quite so many scruples. Note that this only applies tangentially to Posse Comitatus, which between militarization of police and domestic deployment of returning Iraq soldiers is essentially a dead letter.

The reason Obama will get away with this is that we let Bush get away with so much. Government power never goes backwards.

43 Wow! You should see what Ed Morrissey had to say about this Force a couple months ago:

In criticising Obama’s plan I think there are some key points to bear in mind. First- this was the first and only time he mentioned a $500 billion dollar plan for his Presidency. Odd, no?

Second, he specifically calls it a “national security” force. Nothing about peace, helping old ladies to cross the road or anything of the sort. He also frames the concept in relation to the military- arguing that he wants this in addition to the military.

Third, and from my point of view, the most important one. He says that it must be as STRONG and as POWERFUL as the military. Surely that directly contradicts Ed’s assertion “he fairly clearly meant to at least include a volunteer force in outreach within and outside the US as some sort of Department of Peace-like indirect boost to national security.”

A dept of peace-style group which is not only funded to the same tune as the military but is as STRONG and POWERFUL as them? All, Obama says very clearly, to be used for national security- not for general peaceful purposes.

ODS is one thing- examining what Obama actually said in relation to this proposed force is not being deranged or paranoid. It’s discussing something he himself proposed on the campaign trail.

Furthermore, when this originally broke some months ago, Ed Morrissey had this to say-

The phrasing of it — a “civilian national security force” — sounds much more like a quasi-military organization operating within the US under the control of the federal government.

Obama needs to clarify what he means by “civilian national security force”, and how it would be funded. After all, we have a panoply of federal security agencies already: FBI, BATF, DEA, and more, plus the National Guard on the state level. Where would Obama get the money to fund it at the same level as the Pentagon? What would its mission be, and where would it get its authority? What would be the lines of jurisdiction?

Now, excuse me, but these are precisely the same questions being asked by people that Ed and others on the Right are now calling ODS-sufferers.

Back then it was okay to question a controversial statement (vanished from his speeches now like the disappeared controversial statements on his Change.org website) but now if you worry about what a man actually elected is going to do about it- you’re labelled a fringe kook with no credibility and insulted with being just like those with BDS.

So tell me, Ed- why was it okay for you to ask about this statement during the summer but if you worry about it now- and ask essentially the same questions about it- you throw out the label of ODS?

Jay Mac on November 11, 2008 at 9:27 PM

And strangely, Ed Morrissey refused to answer Jay Mac's question and banned me when I pressed him to, once, on another thread. I have no idea why.

44

Well, at least we cannot pretend that they didn't tell us.

Yeah. The H guy told people in advance also.

 

45 The issue is not that this is a bad idea because it is inefficient, duplicates existing resources, and will be hugely expensive. The issue is that this is a first step toward a totalitarian mindset.

46 Spit it out and forget the political correctness. If it sounds like Hitler and looks like Hitler, then it is probably Hitler. A large heavily armed civilian police force is as close to the Brown Shirts as it can get. It is not necessary and it is not what the Constitution envisioned. It will be designed for only one purpose . . . to control the populace and squelch dissent. Wake up people, your timidness is going to get you enslaved by a totalitarian regime. I'm not going to be part of it.

47 Woodrow Wilson and his APL seem like a perfect parallel.  Couple hundred thousand 'deputized' private citizens given a badge to spy on you and conduct warrantless searches if you didn't support Wilson and WW1.

48 We have law enforcement, National Guard, State Guards ... this is unecessary unless you want a private army that only answers to you.

49

And strangely, Ed Morrissey refused to answer Jay Mac's question and banned me when I pressed him to, once, on another thread. I have no idea why.

I have a theory.

50 The Democrats have always maintained that the Second Amendment applies only to the 'Militia' and they may attempt to use this CNSF to do an end run around gun rights.

*TinMan13 mentioned this on HotAir

51 Actually, I do have a reason why, but TinyURL stripped out the comment permalink at Protein Wisdom, so here goes:


"That was interesting, Christoph. Did Cap’n Ed reply? I think he should."

No, it was just posted. Ed will be in bed now, but it’s such a well reasoned and coherent comment, you are right: Ed Morrissey should address it head on, both on his blog and more importantly, privately.

Sadly, I believe I know why the difference in Ed Morrissey’s position now and his position then and it isn’t flattering. I wish I could say otherwise than what I will write, but I feel compelled to say it like I see it.

It’s subconscious, but if I may throw out a Hitler analogy for the sake of an example, an imperfect example, but a telling one…

Do you think, perhaps, reporters who were very critical of Adolf Hitler as a danger to Germany became more circumspect in their criticism when Hitler was appointed to the Chancellery in 1932 (a position with quite limited power) and yet again in 1934 when Hitler combined the offices of the Chancellory and Presidency (which included being the Commander-in-Chief of the military, which was unquestionably loyal to Hindenburg until his death) in 1934?

Obviously the United States isn’t anything like Nazi Germany. But the psychology of people repeats itself over and over again in new circumstances, does it not?

52 I would be very surprised if this was legal under the constitution and existing federal law. The Insurrection Act of 1807 and the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 limit the President's powers to deploy federal uniformed troops on United States territories, Even with recent erosion of those legal principles, deployment of federal troops is still limited to specific circumstances: insurrection, rebellion, and riots. Limited deployment is also allowed for drug interdiction.

Even if this were somehow worked out at the federal level, this would certainly spark conflict with the states. The first time the Obama army was deployed in say... Texas, I think they would be introduced to the Texas National Guard, which is the only military unit allowed to deploy in the states, because they are commanded by the governors.

What a mess that would be...

53 The reason Obama will get away with this is that we let Bush get away with so much. Government power never goes backwards.

What the Fuck are you babbling about.....The One's new paramilitary force is now Bush's fault?

54 It seems kind of a way to undermine the importance of military service to me.  As in "Yeah, you served in the Armed forces, but I was in the Civilian Trash Pickup League, so I have just as much moral authority blah blah......"

55 Comprised of Bloods, Crips, Mexican Mafia and ACORN-holers. Jeez, they're already armed so that's cost-efficiency right there. AND... they're motivated!

56

The issue is that this is a first step toward a totalitarian mindset.

I'd say it's more like the fifth or sixth step, and their are only ten steps in total. But I agree in principle.

 

57 Let us concede that Obama is not Hitler the H-word and has no H-word-like designs

1. There is only one Hitler.
2. Will there be others like him? Of course. It has happened several times since Hitler's demise
3. How do we know Obama doesn't have Hitler like designs?
4. We don't.
5. Only Obama knows his future designs
6. And he's not saying much

ergo...

It is Obama's responsibility to prove to the 48% he is NOT Hitler, and does not have dictator like designs on this nation.

MAKE OBAMA PROVE HE IS A REAL AMERICAN!

58 Aah of course ... blame Bush. Why didn't I think of that?

59 If it walks like a duck ... it might be a hitler duck

60

Morrissey's a whore to power, no question.

 

61 Exactly how one fights required/compulsory service is via the 13th Amendment:

"Section 1.  Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime where of the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Section 2.  Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation."

In US v. Kozminski, 487 US 931 (198 it was determined that circumscribed involuntary servitude be limited to those situation when the "master" subjects the "servant" to
1.  threatened or actual physical force,
2.  threatened or actual state-imposed legal coercion, or
3.  fraud or deceit where the servant is a minor, an immigrant or mentally incompetent.

Involuntary Servitude is defined as "a person held by actual force, threats of force, or threats of legal coercion in a condition of slavery - compulsory service or labor against his or her will.  This also includes the condition in which people are compelled to work against their will by a "climate of fear" evoked by the use of force, the threat of force, or the threat of legal coercion which is sufficient to compel service against a person's will."

Note however, that the Supreme Court ruled (Butler v. Perry, 240 U.S. 328 (1916)) that the military draft was not "involuntary servitude".

Learn the Constitution, it's your friend during the Obama Administration.

62 That is why having a non-military force not bound by the Posse Comitatus Act is worrying.

Which is leads to a bunch of questions. If the security force acted like a paramilitary, how would a 'civilian' title allow it to avoid Posse Comitatus?

What is the distinction between a civilian or law enforcement agency and a military one?

63 Civilian national force, my ass...he will get the Black Panthers or whatever they call themselves to run it, we already had a taste of it during the elections after all. This guy is taking a page out of Mugabe's playbook if you ask me.

64 Then what is your theory, JackStraw, about why Ed Morrissey is now, with Obama ready to ascend to power, calling his commenters who're asking the exact same type of questions about Obama's Civilian National Defense Force "deranged", but was asking precisely the same types of questions pre-election?

What is your theory about why he uses language like this:

“he fairly clearly meant to at least include a volunteer force in outreach within and outside the US as some sort of Department of Peace-like indirect boost to national security.”

... to describe a $500 billion dollar per year force which Obama said must be just as strong and powerful as the military? How does this square with what Morrissey said earlier?

65 Odinga II

66

>The first time the Obama army was deployed in say... Texas, I think they would be introduced to the Texas National Guard Texans, which is the only military unit allowed to deploy in the states, who take their law and order and private property and 2nd Amendment rights pretty goddam seriously because they are commanded by the governors  because that's just how Texas rolls.

 

Fixed.

67 I acknowledge that maybe we're headed to Dachau, and I'm wrong about all this.  But I'm sorry -- I just don't see this happening.  If BO tries to institute something like this, then he'll be a one-term president who lost control of the House in 2010.  Very, very few young people want to be made to serve in anything at all -- the only ones who do already join the military.  And the parents will phreak -- absolutely, positively, screamingly phreak.  Go ahead -- tell some Manhattan mommy that her precious Upper West Side boy is being made to serve in some security force, uniforms and all.  Dad will have the injunctions filed and the big firm discovery requests out before you know it.  Americans will think BO is nuts for spending money on this sh*t in the middle of a recession.   He'll do what he's done with everything so far -- water it down so it's voluntary, and precious few will volunteer.  It'll be another one of his silly Corps, and a corrupt little patronage scheme, but no more than that.

68 When I see the floated democrat legislative wish list...

- Compulsory national service
- Taxes on miles driven
- Huge excise levies on firearms and automobiles
- Federal ban on conceal-carry
- Downsizing of the military
- Chumming up to Hamas and Iran
- Habeas corpus for battlefield terrorists
- Fairness Doctrine

...I can't help but think that the Republicans will eviscerate the Democrats once this stuff is reduced to actual legislative drafts.

Maybe I'm wrong, and fascism really is falling on America (though it always seems to land in Europe).

69 Hands: Spat upon
Black Flag: Hoisted
I will leave the third step to the reader's imagination. But we may soon have to come up with a third step.

70 Simple math.  You need Texas Instruments DemocraticSuperMajorty-10,12,14,16 edition to get the proper result.

Now
DoD funding: 4% of GDP
Civilian National Security Force funding: 0% of GDP

Obama Plan
DoD funding: 2% of GDP
CNSF funding: 2% of GDP

Obama wants to secure new lines of capital for his supporters.  You can reform DoD for the next 50 years and get very little outcome as desired.  Creating a whole new entity and funding it equally as the DoD would give the Executive all kinds of power to channel capital to anyone it wants.  Think of Head Start and SCHIP.  It would pump money into urban areas which is exactly what Obama and Rahm are trying to do.

It meets the RINO test because the Feds are still spending the money and thus have the power to change its direction whenever they want.

71 If a head of state organizes a powerful, armed civilian force answerable only to him/her and a selected inner circle, then the populace had better be ready to fight or lose their liberty . . . there is no second option.

72

So the difficulty is formulating a response which doesn't sound crazy. For starters, we've survived without a domestic paramilitary for 240 years.

being a bitter-clinger, i can't believe you are asking this question... the response is "the unorganized militia." it's already codified and ready to go, we just need obama to start buying our guns for us. ha.

What is Obama's goal here if not to undermine one of the main attractors of military service?

his goal is not to undermine the military, at least not in the way you think. anyhow, look at obama's record... poured dollars into education indoctrination programs in chicago, taught community organizing ACORN leadership classes, and had "camp obama" to inculcate his minions, all to form "coalitions of power" (too lazy to dig up the link, it's from that old radio interview). do you see where this is going? clearly you do by use of the phrase, "obama youth," but you seem too scared of this reality to come out and call it what it is.

look, ok, you don't have to come out and ID it directly if you think people will start calling you crazy because "It Can't Happen Here and all that," but you sure as hell better structure your opposition to the Obama Youth initiative as if It Can Happen Here because... fuck it, that's what happening.

seriously, it's like you're still in denial about obama smoozing it up with ayers and employing saul alinsky tactics/strategy/whatever.

gird your loins and mark my words, i guarantee it, if you don't see the light we're totally fucked. maybe not concentration-camp fucked, but totally-past-the-point-of-no-return and you'll-never-see-another-free-election-again fucked...yes we can.

oh, does anyone have a copy of alinsky's "rules for radicals" that they can scan and upload?

73 Posted by: arbuthnot

Depends. If the Obama Youth are in charge of security of the poll stations on election day, then perhaps the GOP will not do quite as well as they expected.

74

"How Exactly Do We Fight Compulsory the "Civil Defense" Army Army?"

Although I did not read every post, the replies I did read, had no answers, to the question, just fear, worry and bitching.

How's this:

We have our own Million Man March on Washington, everytime the Marxist bastard tries something red.

Completely civilized of course.

If he plans to move on this crap quick, we have to counter-move just as quick.

Even the Main Stream Oboma Media cannot ignore a million strong protest.

I think it's time to make Washington a "really" popular place for the normal folks, and I dont mean that event in Jan.

I'll be there, I have vacation.

 

75

"If it walks like a duck ... it might be a hitler duck"

 

Wolverines!!!

 

76 This amazes me.  As a county worker in California I am already by law an emergency disaster worker with assigned duties.  I call bullshit on this one.  O wants this as his personal intimidation force pure and simple.  I'll call it what it is "Hitleresque."

77

I'm hopeful that this won't amount to much, but only because of the robustness of American institutions and personal liberty.  I put no faith whatsoever in the ability or will of Obama, his handlers or his followers not to abuse such a body.  And I think it is fair to point out where such things have led in the past.  In its potential its comparable to fascist Italy, communist China and Cuba.

The more immediate danger is as a quick payoff and long-term paycheck for Obama partisans.  Tax dollar disbursements are incredibly hard to kill.  Even after 6 years of Republican control of Congress and the White House, we're still paying for Acorn, AmeriCorps and others.  Tax dollars for openly partisan democratic political organizing, what's not to love?

Steve Poling mentioned Liberal Fascism, which I second.  Read it if you haven't, and get a friend to read it if you have.  I'd also recommend the movie The Lives of Others if this actually does get off the ground.

78 I don't want a Praetorian Guard, Mommy! :'0(

This is an example of the accidental (?) genius of whatshisface. If you speak of your concerns honestly, you've crossed a conversational line. If you temper it, you're not really making your point. PC is gonna fuck us.

79 Buck Farack!

80 "Now, excuse me, but these are precisely the same questions being asked by people that Ed and others on the Right are now calling ODS-sufferers."
     BINGO.
"Obviously the United States isn’t anything like Nazi Germany. But the psychology of people repeats itself over and over again in new circumstances, does it not?"
 But very much like pre-nazi germany...don't kid yourself. the similarities, including economy, jew bashing, and uber correct political speech are already here. And i do mean here....sadly.
Tea party rebels say...."I don't want to look silly...."
 So, i'll say it . It's way too much like Hitler's behavior for comfort. Stop worrying about how you look, start worrying about what to do.
 Because as 6 million people could tell you if they could still talk it's too late after the fact.....

81 "We have our own Million Man March on Washington, everytime the Marxist bastard tries something red.

Completely civilized of course."
========================
Publish the dates and times . . . I'll stay "civilized", as long as it's effective to do so.

82 Bluejade..."I acknowledge that maybe we're headed to Dachau, and I'm wrong about all this.  But I'm sorry -- I just don't see this happening.  If BO tries to institute something like this, then he'll be a one-term president who lost control of the House in 2010."

 you are assuming that we just elected just another democrat.
 we did not.

83 Rahm Emanuel is Obama's chief of staff. His plan is to indoctrinate youth, all youth, male and female.

Obama's is to raise a 'civilian' national defense forse with the same power, strength, budget, equipment, and manpower as the U.S. military.

This is the same sort of thing that the Caesars did (the Praetorian Guard, loyal to the Emperor, not the Senate), the same thing Hitler did with the SS, and the same thing Vladimir Lenin did with the Cheka.

Different decade, same shit.

Last 2 were this century, of course.

People forget -- quickly -- that America was in the vanguard (front) of Fascism until World War 2 broke out... FDR opposed it and after the war it became "unthinkable" here.

Until, of course, the U.S. elected a communist who learned from terrorists who bombed the Pentagon and killed police officers, not to mention wrote a manifesto to take over power (accomplished! Yay), re-educate people (coming) and kill those who couldn't be re-educated. In the millions.

Oh joyous times.

The last one will be difficult to pull off in the era of the portable video camera, but they're well underway to accomplishing the first.

I don't think he can pull off the worst of it, and he may not want to. Vladimir Lenin didn't want to pull off the worst of what his people did anyway.

84 Spread the rumor that The One wears women's underwear?

85 "The last one will be difficult to pull off in the era of the portable video camera,"
 oh, really? want to see how fast i can remove that camera from you? especially with the "civilian" force behind me?
 yeah..it's a real thinker here people.
 as you leave Dachau there is [was?] a huge sign that states that those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it. and who has been teaching your kids? go ahead, ask them what Hitler did...i guarantee they won't have a frickin' clue.

86 When do I get my country back?

87 I WILL temper the paranoia by saying we've had a "civilian" paramilitay force (forces actually) for about 3 decades now.  They're called the ATF, DEA, and your friendly neighborhood SWAT.

They have NOT however, been EQUAL to teh military.

This is like "walking tall" on a national level.  Go away to war and come back to find the corrupt thugs in power and terrorizing the populace.

We're 25 years away from the worst of it, but make no mistake that it's coming.

 

88 What comrade Rahm describes is quite a bit different than what comrade Obama described.

Obie was describing a permanent law enforcementish entity, Rahm sounded like he was describing basic first aid, Hazmat, relief operations training.

I'd agree it would be a good thing to have a populace better equipped to handle first aid, car crashes, chemical spills, etc.  But to make it compulsory?  Better to offer some sort of incentive.

Take a compulsory 3 months out of the "youth votes" lives and I think Obie is going to guarantee he's a 1-termer.

89 84 Spread the rumor that The One wears women's underwear?

Posted by: someone2 at November 12, 2008 07:04 PM (jndJg)

And that he has only one ball, just like the fuhrer

90 Step 1: Obama forms a Civil Defense Force loyal to him
Step 2: Having formed a militia for defense of the US homeland, private gun  ownership is no longer 'needed' and becomes illegal unless you are part of Barack's CDF
Step 3:Term limits are racist + Obama is so great, why elect a lesser mortal when he wants to stay and fix us all.

Or I might just be an ODS sufferer. Good times

91 We're 25 years away from the worst of it
 you could not be more wrong if you tried............

92 Sick as this sounds, if Obama attempts such measures, it would be the U.S. military's duty to come to the aid and defense of the Constitution and American people against any enemies--foreign or domestic.

This is all sounding incredibly bizarre.  Please wake me up when the dream is over.

93 The fuhrer had only one ball? Goodness, I learn something new everyday on Ace..

94 <i>"How Exactly Do We Fight Compulsory the "Civil Defense" Army?"</i>

Call me crazy, but this old Grunt's thinking that if you aim dead center chest and don't try any fancy bullshit, it'll work out fine.

95

People should not get themselves into a tizzy over this.

3 months of 'civil defense training'?

You don't take over a country with that. Rahm is probably thinking back to his volunteering in Israel during the Gulf war of 1991 where he was a civilian volunteer. But that was Israel in 1991. Not the USA in 2008.

Other things to remember: (in no particular order)

1. The local/state police aren't likely to look at this with any enthusiasm at all, and will certainly look to sabotage it. The local National Guard will just figure out ways of getting people to enlist, if indeed the "training" takes place on national guard facilities. Plus, exactly who is going to conduct the training, and to what sort of standard, etc, etc, etc....

2. History isn't on their side. When some people in Philadelphia tried to organize 10,000 black men to basically be a neighborhood watch against the black drug thugs, they got about 4,000 to show up to a rally, and it went exactly nowhere after that. Poor black people in the 'hood got better things to do with their time than any 'civil defense' training, even if the big O desires it.

3. Even if such a program gets through congress, the easiest thing to do to subvert it is to join it. At the very least, you'll find out who the local leaders/true believers are and who to watch out for, and in the best of all possible worlds, you'll subvert your comrades so as to instigate counter-revolutionary terror. Alinsky's rules don't just work for one side, you know.

 

96 the buy outs have already started. i have had government contracts for years and there is one thing they never ever do.....start new contracts at this time of year, before an incoming pres. of a new party.
 especially this type of contract....when i saw it come across my desk i just thought "oh shit you fools what have you done?"

97 The fuhrer had only one ball? Goodness, I learn something new everyday on Ace..

In Explaining Hitler, Rosenbaum recounts a story (rumor, really) of young Adolf's painful encounter with an aggressive goat. 

98 I grant that maybe the end is nigh.  But there's a part of me that can't help thinking that this is all a lot of macho posturing and talk by some weak-ass men.  (I don't mean Ace's posters, I mean Rahm and his puppet-king.)   So far all BO's done is back off whenever anything's the least bit controversial, to the point that he's asked the war-mongering Bush's SecDef to stay.  Personally, I think BO is turning into Bill Clinton -- so intent on preserving his position in the WH that he's going to do basically nothing, and if we play it right Republicans will dominate the agenda in his administration, just as we did in the Clinton years.  I agree with the need for vigilance, and I agree that we shouldn't be afraid of looking silly if the need for action arises.  But I also think we can't mobilize for war with every single thing that may or may not transpire, because that may be just the distraction that BO wants.  If I recall, Israel mobilized for war more than a dozen times in response to various threats that didn't happen, so when the Yom Kippur War was actually on, it didn't mobilize in response to the advance intel. 

99 "But there's a part of me that can't help thinking that this is all a lot of macho posturing and talk by some weak-ass men."

Name me one person that Hitler actually killed? Or Stalin for that matter. Or Lenin.

Macho posturing by weak-ass men has proven to be a difficulty at times.

100 Obama really does seem to have in mind a paramilitary domestic security force.

I move to call it the Department of Homeland Security.

101 Two words: Hurricane Katrina. This natural disaster showed how the rank and file American does not know how our country is structured. We are a country of 51 sovereigns, but it seems the American people don't seem to know that anymore. It was, and still is the responsibility of the governor of a state, as it's sovereign, to see to the protection of that state's populous. When Gov. Blanco was derilict in her duty to her state and President Bush was blamed for people being left on their roofs when the levys were breached, it stuck because Americans actually don't know it was the governor's responsibility to take the necessary measures to deal with the preparations and aftermath. The proposal of a national domestic defense force would bypass 50 of the sovereigns in this country. And the American people would allow it. They don't understand what the 10th Amendment means anymore.

102 Back in WWII Holland, they had a group of Dutch citizens called "Landwatchers".  They were, in fact, a paramilitary organization deputized by the Nazis to inform on Dutch people who could potentially pose a threat to Hitler and his plans.  We call them 'fifth column' here, but the roles are the same.

They were essentially the Thought Police of the Nazis, spying on their neighbours under the guise of a citizen-force.  Much like the colonists on New Caprica who sold out and joined up with the Cylons.

We all know how that story ends.

103

Being serious and practical here --

If it's a training program so that young adults learn CPR and how to direct traffic, and maybe learn that giving a pint of blood isn't so bad, then fine. Setting up a neighborhood buddy system for hurricanes, blizzards, etc., or setting up emergency shelters is great, too. Young adults can learn what to do in an emergency. Teach them that there are times when they might be needed, and teach them what to do in those times. But keep it voluntary; carrot incentives are better than sticks.

But three weeks in barracks is extreme. "Common experience" is fine, too -- but there are over 300 million interpretations of "what it means to be an American."

My main questions pertain to outcomes: Are graduates of this program to have any authority? (My hope is that they would not.) Would they be armed? (Yikes.) Would it offer a foundation for a military career, or a police/fire/paramedic job, or, as these career paths increasingly overlap, both? (Ideally, yes.)

Something like this, modelled after the Scouts, could be good -- so long as it doesn't turn into a gang, political or otherwise.

By the way, one way to resist something like this is to bring up how the Democrats opposed the new Department of Homeland Security as redundant to existing institutions, and they were right in doing so. (Even if neither of these claims is actually, y'know, true, we can give them vindication for opposing Bush on something.)

104 kerry myers@101....exactly. and who has been teaching your kids again?
 and who is a professor of education? and what are his goals as stated in his creepy books/ and what is one of the most powerful unions in the US right now?
 socialists are known for their patience until they grab power[ that has already been done] then you get to see how bad it is going to be. and it's going to be very very bad indeed.

105 http://www.semcosh.org/AlinskyTactics.htm

Alinsky linky.

“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not your enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.” The Art of War, by Sun Tzu

106 firehorse...are you nuts? seriously?
 you know everything you just wrote was so against everything American i don't know where to begin.
 what next? a corp of people that teach you how to use your seafood fork?
 you know, for that iranian caviar.....

107 When you talk about 'barracks', 'security', and 'compulsory' you are NOT talking about a first aid course.

108 Personally, I think BO is turning into Bill Clinton -- so intent on preserving his position in the WH that he's going to do basically nothing, and if we play it right Republicans will dominate the agenda in his administration, just as we did in the Clinton years.

Clinton had two top legislative priorities when he entered the White House;  Universal Health Care and the (up to that time) largest tax increase in U.S. history.  The Republicans, minorities in both chambers, so eviscerated HillaryCare in the public debate that it was never even brought up by the democrats for a vote.  The tax increase passed (by one vote in the House) but that legislation doomed Clinton's presidency;  the GOP captured congress and controlled the political conversation for the next eight years.

I agree to the parallels with Obama.  He's secure in his bubble unless and until he begins airing the more kooky aspects of the liberal democrat agenda and the public begins taking a good hard look at him.

109 How Exactly Do We Fight Compulsory the "Civil Defense" Army?

The answer is right there in front of you: FLAMING ROCKET BALLS.

110 Transcribed from a randomly opened  page of Der Feuhrer,  by Konrad Heiden:

"With the creation of the German Labor Front, co-ordination became an elemental force, drawing all of Germany in its wake. With sudden changes of name, the organizations of economic and cultural life co-ordinated themselves, and a country, which had always been rich in clubs and societies, was suddenly bristling with fronts,
...
Some of these fronts thought that they could merely change their name and yet remain exactly as they were. Leadership in all of them was assumed by a National Socialist who, as often as not, had been something else the day before; but the goals, the demands of the state, the 'selfish aims,' were far from giving  way to 'common aims'. to renounce freedom was not to renounce private egotism. All were ready to grant the state, which had shown itself powerful enough to destroy all, the right to command all and thereby help all. By adaption and co-ordination many hoped to preserve their place and failed to notice that this very adaptation was their downfall. 'Heil Hitler' was a lie, it was themselves above all that they were deceiving; they did not believe in the storm because, themselves carried away by it, they could not feel the wind. There were the overly wise who, already on the downward path, persuaded themselves that they were riding the flood tide toward their great aims."
Der Fuehrer by Konrad Heiden (1944) - Page 601

Essential reading in this day and age of resurgent Statist dependence and widespread faith in cults of personality ushered in with the aquiescence of cultural, and intellectual elites intent on reaping the whirlwind...Again.

111 When will the Dear Leader put his portrait on food stamps? 

112

I agree to the parallels with Obama. 

 

Even before taking office, Clinton was a centerist DLC Democratic.

Even before taking office, Obama is one of the most radical lefties in American public life.

Comparisons to Clinton are absurd.

113 Buyin' up all the ammo and rifles I can find...la la la la....

114 doesn't it seem even remotely strange and convenient to any of you that the lefty loons have been calling Bush Hitler for years and yet he wasn't anything like Hitler. then they vote in a guy who is like Hitler [squirm if you must] and some people are so afraid of looking kooky that they are afraid to point out how much like Hitler Obama is.
 Wow...wasn't that easy? Armchair warriors/ intellectuals are always easy to disarm with a little planning and the possibility of public humiliation.

115 Comparisons to Clinton are absurd.

The parallel I see is the political landscape faced by both Clinton and Obama.  In each case they have to sell new policies to a skeptical public, with resulting push-back from republicans.  To the extent that Obama is a political extremist  attempting to enact a radical agenda, the difficulty of passage is compounded and the probability of success of his opponents enhanced.

116 Civil Service?  Will it be a nice cushy GS-14?

117 The problem with too many conservatives is that they have a deathly fear of being embarrassed. Look at the reaction to that Alaskan lady who was just a little too rough edged to safely invite for brunch.

To imagine that they would panic or get their hair frazzled over something like a domestic security force is to simply ask too much.

118
We could have our own AoSHQ Brigade. It would be like Meatballs 2. Or, even better: Inglorious BastardsMorons.

Inglorious Morons

All: SIR, YES, SIR!

Lt. ACE: That’s what I like to hear. But I got a word of warning to all you would be morons. When you join my command, you take on debit.
A debit you owe me personally. Every moron under my command owes me one hundred moonbat scalps. And I want my scalps. And all y’all will git me, one hundred moonbat scalps, taken from the heads of one hundred dead moonbats... or you will die trying... start with Seattle Slough.

All: SIR, YES, SIR!

119

Obama has a a great strategy of saying that he's going to do something like this and then not doing it in order to make it look like Republicans are just overreacting.

My belief is that this is more about sustaining misdirection. Keep everyone talking about things like forced volunteering and the great obot army, and they're less likely to notice the commie shit they're planning to do to the economy. He's probably got a list of things like this to keep us occupied.

On the other hand, I do believe that this guy is enough of a meglomaniac that he might actually attempt his own legion of obots. If so, I'm thinking he'll pattern it on the noi and their exalted general, Lord Calypso.

120 I guess that whole "oath of office" thingy is non-binding?

121 Service I'll be happy to convince my kids to dodge.

122 I'm not so worried about Obama creating this monstrosity as I am the people who'd sign up for it.

123 He's more likely to get a curb job than a blow job.

124 We MUST join it.

Fuck that. It's almost time for Americans to ease off being so damn civilised and start freaking demonstrating huge-time. My first sign will say, "You can have my gun when you can pry it from my cold, dead hands." That's civilised, right?

*********

Ace, two thoughts. First of all, opposition should focus in large part on making HIM defend why there is a need to dissolve what we have and make a new one ("security force"), instead of US being forced to justify why we should keep what we have.

Second, re:

Obama's devoted cultists have already been caught abusing their jobs in the civil service -- digging dirt on political enemies, bullying a girl whose dad serves in Iraq. Why would we wish to swell the ranks of such hyperpartisan civil servants?

We also need to highlight this big time. That when they get some power they abuse it, and we already are lacking dangerously in checks and balances.

125 Telescreens are coming soon, comrades.

NEW YORK – Transition officials call it Obama 2.0 — an ambitious effort to transform the president-elect's vast Web operation and database of supporters into a modern new tool to accomplish his goals in the White House. If it works, the new president could have an unprecedented ability to appeal for help from millions of Americans who already favor his ideas, bypassing the news media to pressure Congress.

"He's built the largest network anyone has ever seen in politics, and congressional Republicans are clueless about the communications shift that has happened," Democratic strategist Joe Trippi proclaims. The results, he says, "will be amazing to watch."

Barry has got Big Brother written all over his mutt face.

126

Mussolini fielded a military that was unable to defeat frickin' Ethopia. 

Hehehehe! Heheh. Ahhh... goobers.

Goddamn eyetalians man. I tell you... Goddamn eyetalians.

127 @123

dammit. wrong topic.

stupid tabbed browsers.

128

Every proletariat needs a vanguard, don't you know.

Each night in their barracks, the faithful will read a passage from Dreams From My Father: A Story Of Race And Inheritance and reflect on their wisdom. Dorm leaders will hand out stiff punishments to those who fail the quiz afterwards.

Are their superiors alumni of UD?

129
You know I gotta say that the GOP is going to be utterly fucking useless in stopping Obama in anything he wants to do.

They are so bound up in PC bullshit and tangled up with friends and lobbyists that they are essentially part of the problem, even when they disagree with what is being done.

130

Christmasghost --

Yes, I'm a little nuts. But at least I'm not suggesting using a metal utensil for caviar.

You ever see Boy Scouts managing crowds at a parade? That's what I'm talking about, execpt for more serious circumstances -- like helping people pack up for shelters when an ice storm hits a town, or just making sure that a big part of a generation takes the stuff at www.ready.gov seriously.

I stress: Voluntary. I'm a little creeped out at how 100 hours a year turned into three months in barracks. (But if the government is going to make such camps, then indoctrinate the youth in sound financial principles and practices so that nobody thinks a negative-amortization pay-what-you-want mortgage is a good idea ever again.)

131

It may be relevant that Obama's website changed as soon as a spotlight was shined on it.  I believe Obama's dead serious, but he seems willing to dial it back to something he can get away with.  So keeping the pressure and attention on may be a strategy in itself.

I'm not counting on him being another Clintonian moderate triangulator though.  The relevant comparison may be Clinton's first congress to Obama' first Congress, not Clinton to Obama personally.  Clinton's first Congress was democrat, but still had some fiscal moderates and blue dogs to appease in their own caucus.  The democrats in Obama's first Congress are more uniformly leftist and firmly in the hands of Pelosi and Reid, even before Obama signalling he's going to use his campaign e-mail list to pressure hold out congressmen.

132 "He's built the largest network anyone has ever seen in politics,since Adolf Hitler that is and congressional Republicans are clueless about the communications shift that has happened," Democratic strategist Joe Trippi proclaims. The results, he says, "will be amazing to watch."
 fixed that for you....

133 Firehorse....trick question, that...
 it's an elitist detector......of course you would have to use mother of pearl, ivory or bone for caviar bait.
 and we already have all those other things you mentioned covered...part of what out taxes go for....that and providing barney frank with gay sex...
 oh yeah..poke your mind's eye out.

134 "It may be relevant that Obama's website changed as soon as a spotlight was shined on it.  I believe Obama's dead serious, but he seems willing to dial it back to something he can get away with.  So keeping the pressure and attention on may be a strategy in itself."

I don't think it's an adequate strategy, but it sure is a good start. That's why people like Ed Morrissey (post-election as opposed to stalwart pre-election) are fools. At best.

135

The first time the Obama army was deployed in say... Texas, I think they would be introduced to the Texas National Guard Texans, which is the only military unit allowed to deploy in the states, who take their law and order and private property and 2nd Amendment rights pretty goddam seriously because they are commanded by the governors  because that's just how Texas rolls.

I love Texans and I'm so glad there are a lot of them in here. And since we're a lot like that, I'm pretty sure Alaskans will be stocking up on the arms and ammo when Obama commences to withdrawing troops from here, the bastard.

136 If this bothersome Congress gets in Big Brother's way of bringing change to the proletariat he will unleash his Civilian Defense Force to change their minds for them.

137 I absolutely agree, the whole CNSF idea is completely fascist and creepy in its designs.  But don't make the mistake that everyone will see it this way.  There are some persuasive, non-fascist arguments in its favor.  In my opinion the main arguments in favor of CNSF will be as follows:
1. Its true purpose is for national service and volunteerism, and if you don't like CNSF that means you don't like helping the needy.
2. Other countries have a compulsory military draft or other form of compulsory national service (e.g., Norway), and they haven't turned into fascist hellholes.
3. It provides the same shared experience that Rahm Emmanuel was talking about.  For everyone.  Equally.  Expect the word "equal" to be used a lot here, implying of course that if you oppose CNSF you are in favor of the unequal treatment represented by the status quo.
4. It will really  help out with national disasters.  Expect the word Katrina to be used a lot here.
5. And let's just face it, Americans are lazy and they need to be forced by the benevolent government to get off their lazy asses and do something productive.  CNSF will end adolescent obesity, dontcha know, by getting all the kids into shape.  This argument will play well with the blame-America-first crowd.

We can argue against all this without sounding like paranoid nuts and comparing Obama to Hitler (which nobody will believe despite the creepy similarities).  All we need to do is use the facts and stick to our conservative principles.

Inform people that the various state National Guards, when not prevented from helping by bungling FEMA directors, are more than capable of taking care of your typical run-of-the-mill disaster, and we don't need some federal version of it supplanting local control over them.  That's federalism baby.

Inform people that Americans already do a great deal of volunteering without being coerced into it.  So making it compulsory isn't necessary. 

Inform people that making volunteering mandatory may only make things worse by turning volunteering from some sort of moral duty into a mandated, passionless chore.  This is consistent with the moral and individual duty of volunteering.

And, inform people that coercing people to serve against their will is simply wrong.  I wish this would serve as a strong argument but I doubt it would.

That's my few cents.

138 congress will sell out before he even gives them a toe cramp. they are the very definition of parlor snakes. and beware the "voices on the right" that call you crazy for noticing what's going on. the first time they tell you to calm down, don't look like nuts, or this can't happen here you seriously need to stop listening to them.
 period.

139

Elitist detector or barbarian detector?

How many people think a vodka martini ought to be "shaken, not stirred"? How about three months in barracks teaching people the proper way to make a friggin' drink?

140

BEFORE the neighborhood grassroots security forces are organized, the Dims will Americanize the concept in some pop culture way.

It doesn't have to be the party-pooping Hitler model. There are a number of other models, some not as nice.

 

141 That guy doing the interview sounds gay as Richard Simmons.

142 Removing info from a site or dialing back your rhetoric is not an indication of a change in course. It means you removed info from your site and played verbal dodgeball. Only time will tell wtf is going on!?!

If we were to create some fancy away camp for EMT lessons, why put it under Caesar's federal control?

Breaking down the two versions, O's and Rahm's, to individual points... there's still no logic to be found! Gah!

143 Elitist detector or barbarian detector?
 elitist....and you took the bait [pun soooo intended] didn't you?
 are you implying that if someone doesn't like caviar they are barbarians?
 naw...didn't think so......

144 That guy doing the interview sounds gay as Richard Simmons. Posted by: Rockateer

Just part of an old pattern.

Look up the SA (brownshirts) and how most of the leadership were homosexual.

145

"Something like this, modelled after the Scouts, could be good -- so long as it doesn't turn into a gang, political or otherwise.

Posted by: FireHorse at November 12, 2008 07:25 PM (tQ26i) "

 

At the end of the day does it matter what you think. It's the kids that will be told to report. See how they handle it. This is what I resent. The government is about to break up families and put innocent people on the spot over this.  This is a ridiculously emotional issue. They have our kids for 12 years of Ayers indoctrination.

They will use this to identify praetorian guard candidates.  It's truly a revolution about to be attempted. The markets are wisely running for the hills. Going to be unlike anything  anyone under 54 has ever witnessed these next couple years.  At least the music ought to be better.

 

 

146 Name me one person that Hitler actually killed?

I believe he was twice decorated for valor in the trenches, so he probably shot some people.

Almost 150 comments in and no one has pointed out that this Sounded better in the original German?  Slipping.

147 il Douche,

I LIKE IT!

148 kinda OT but did you hear that Google is now going to be telling the gov. very time you Google flu symptoms?
 it's "for our own good". [it's not spying really....] it has already begun.

 yeah....but nazi germany could never happen here right?
 boiling a frog kids, boiling a frog.

149

We can argue against all this without sounding like paranoid nuts and comparing Obama to Hitler (which nobody will believe despite the creepy similarities).

Y'mean like how they ditched the "Bush = Hitler" mantra and implicitly replaced it with "Bush = Hindenberg"?

"Put ... on ... the ... GLASSES!"

150

How Exactly Do We Fight the Compulsory "Regime Maintenance" Army?

I'd recommend something belt-fed. With an A-10 wrapped around it for ease of transportation. Or just ignore them, and let them do their damnedest until they give up on it.

Our first Negro President isn't even sworn in yet and he's already proposing involuntary servitude for white people! Didn't take long, did it?

You must always strive to remember that Negroes are very serious about the importance of freedom, because there's always going to be very little to remind you, African-Commie-Americans that they, by-and-large, are.

151

At least the music ought to be better.

Now I call "nuts" on someone. You're not implying that Coldplay has anything over Blue Oyster Cult. Surely, you're not.

152 Rahm...Röhm...

153 It's unconstitutional to quarter troops on the public.

154

Personally, I see no reason to avoid the Hitler comparison for two reasons.

 

1. The comparison is obvious toalmost anyone.

2. For eight years the left never missed an opportunity to make any kind of hitler comparison against Bush, Cheny or Rove. Why is the first reaction from the right to avoid it when it actually fits?

155

You got me, Christmasghost. By the way, it takes one to . . .

never mind.

156 RE: "Why does Obama wish to divert recruits from the military?"

An excellent question.  I offer two answers:
1. Because the military recruits will be good kids from "fly-over country".  Those people will be more like Ayers.
2. Because military recruits will swear to protect the country against all enemies, foreign and domestic.  Those people will be indoctrinated to The Way of The One.

The hidden purpose of this program will be indoctrination: this is The People's Re-Education Camp.  This is a few months that they will have to indoctrinate people - and write down the names of those who aren't true believers.

Wow.  This is really sick - more like Cambodia than America.

157 FireHorse.....guilty..... yup, tiburon princess born with a bait caviar spoon in my mouth.
 and then i grew up..........

158 LiberalNitemar:

Because the PC police of the left wants our first and only reaction to be 'do as I say not as I do'.

159

"Why would we wish to swell the ranks of such hyperpartisan civil servants?"

Oh... you mean like the Unionized TSA?

160

No doubt "something" will happen (whether real or media generated nonsense)that makes it impossible NOT to have a "domestic Military force". We will be told 95 % of us are in favor of it and it will happen. Everyone will poo poo how identical it is to Germany 1939 and that "it  can never happen here, people would stop it". What people? The Dem controlled house nad senate that plan on passing every dirty nutball thing?

We ARE repeating history right now and it's scary as hell

161

For eight years the left never missed an opportunity to make any kind of hitler comparison against Bush, Cheny or Rove. Why is the first reaction from the right to avoid it when it actually fits?

 

I like "Chimpy O'AcornAyers" myself.

 

162 it seems many of you still aren't getting it

this isn't about "civil defense," it's about indoctrinating the Youth and young adults with obama/marx values

duh

why else do you think obama and ayers poured so much money into "education" in chicago?

the religion of state needs a catechism class, and this is it

163 Mutty McStalin

164 Barry the first Halfrican Amerikkkan emperor.

165 Look, comparing anyone to Hitler does not work on any practical level.  Its implied purpose in modern discourse is to insult people.  You'll note that all the "Bush=Hitler" ranting by the insane left isn't actually what won the D's the election.  I believe the economy and our own awful candidate had a lot more to do with it.  And, it's a sad fact that the right bears the unfair stereotype of being angry, irrational and violent.  After all aren't we all just a bunch of hot-headed intolerant gun freaks?  So while the left can get a pass for comparing Bush to Hitler - that's just a cute college protest, dontcha know! - we will get no such favors if we try it.

166 DANEgerus....too true.

 and chemjeff....isn't that just what THEY are planning on using against us?
 so what?
 we aren't the kooky left and no amount of them saying we are will make it so.
 but the similarities to hitler's germany are there and are quite real and frightening.

167 Hey, remember that Leftoid that made an ad saying McCain couldn't "have" her child to go fight in Iraq? Why do I have a strong feeling she would "give" her child to the Obamamessiah?

168 I think we have this all wrong.  I heard it is supposed to be a Civilian Ballet Defense Force.
On your toes people! 

169

First leader of the resistance?

http://tiny.cc/1jhkD

Sorry if it's a dup post.

170 @60:  Morrissey's a whore to power, no question.

Yeah, it's sad. I mostly don't even visit his site anymore. Gotta watch my blood pressure, you know.

171 christmasghost #166: I agree the similarities are frightening.  But if you use the H word nobody will believe you and you won't make the point.  That's my point.

172 chemjeff # 171: what do you think about using comparisons to stalin? i'm guessing people will react the same as they would to hitler, but stalin is less hackneyed.

but it's probably more important just to hammer home what obama's trying to accomplish with this (i say it's meant to be state catechesis of sorts)

173 Can President Magical Negro send the involuntary serivce corp down here to MS to pick cotton? Cosmic justice? Slavery for the 21st century?

174 #21,

A point of clarification.
Italy under Mussolini beat Ethiopia in the second Italian/Ethiopian war 1935-1936. Italy lost the first one in 1895-1896.

175 More likely the purpose of the Obama-youth is political mischief, not warfare

Posted by: steve poling at November 12, 2008 06:26 PM (hnq5i)

Not to be too alarmist, Steve, but that was also the whole point behind that sports organization known as Sturmabteilung.

We probably should stop worrying so much about this. After all, Hitler's base of operations for several years was the Bürgerbraükeller in München. It's likely the best the Jug-Eared Marxist could do would be a wine bar on K Street.

176 It's obvious to me:

This is to take on our armed (2nd Amendment) citizens.

The Ayers/Obamas sit around and know that armed citizens are the last barrier to tyranny. This is what they came up with.

Now we know how Hitler arose....next will be a 3rd world war as Putin, China, Venezuela all start testing us....who's going to stop them? The PUSSIES of Europe?

Canadians?

ROFL.....arm up folks...Let's roll.

177 One more thing:

Can you IMAGINE if Bush had come up with this idea?

dKos and NYT and WaDooDoo would explode with eevil Boosh conspiracy theories (heck, I couldn't blame them)....btw, how is Obama going to get the Kos Kiddies out of momma's basement?

178 Do they get aircraft carriers?  That could be hard to take on.  Everything else, lock and load!
Angry White Dude

179 They were essentially the Thought Police of the Nazis, spying on their neighbours under the guise of a citizen-force.

Winner winner, chicken dinner!

180 chemjeff.....i say that we just use historical comparisons...not screeching rhetoric.
 as in "did you realize that hitler [or insert any henchmen here] did exactly the same thing as [insert any of BHO's creepy plans]?"
 or 'isn't it eerie how similar the times were back then to now...economically , maufactured crisis etc.?"
 the anti semitism, the thugs, the thought police.......
 and we just stick to the message calmly. keep providing factual references....it's not like there aren't a zillion aleady.
 compare rahm-bo to some of hitler's henchmen....not exactly a stretch.or how about ayer's and his genocide of the patriots? and re-education camps?
seriously, at this point what does everyone need? a crematorium in action?
 and just stick to it...calmly....no matter how much they give you the look. i got the same look when i pointed out months ago that FOX was going hard left and everyone said "bah!"....yeah, well i was right and that "bah!" didn't exactly kill me.....and now those people think i am GOD...the fools. heh.

181 Also remember that "free college for everyone".....hell, that's just 4 more years of indoctrination on top of public school, and now more time under post-grad BrownShirt U.

I'm making jokes but I'm concerned. Very concerned.

182 and let's not forget that the puppet master soros has some real time experience with working for nazis and selling out his own people.....
 just sayin'

183 do you know how to tell a sell out?
 he's the guy telling you not to worry, and that if you say x, y or z you will look kooky........
 seriously? it's time to man up here and realize that this isn't another bill clinton. this is another adolph hitler.....

184 First, read "Liberal Fascism". Special emphasis on the Woodrow Wilson chapter. He had a big old army of goons.

Second, I might volunteer for this thing. I was in the Air Force - I know exactly how to fuck things up and still look like I'm doing the job.

185

I believe he was twice decorated for valor in the trenches, so he probably shot some people.

It's possible, but not likely. His job was courier/company runner. He did so well that he was awarded the Iron Cross, Second Class, very early in the war and then later on the Iron Cross, First Class- extremely rare for a lance corporal then. He was awarded his black Wound Badge after the gas attack that injured him October of 1918. Fun Fact- the man who put him up for the IC 1, was  Captain Gutmann - a Jew.

186 JimK, you're a shit head.

187 more weirdness is his technology czar idea (Probably will be Comrade Google) from the original change.gov agenda pages, his making sure rural areas all have  broadband access (fine but....) all so he can reach everyone.
http://tinyurl.com/68cx6j
and not have to go through the media or any other inconveniences/filters.

188

Doesn't Rahm look like Himmler

I mean he is short and skinny .. just needs glasses and a short moustache.

189 Will my time with an Outlaw M.C. count to community outreach? Of course my job was to stop customers from "outreaching" to the strippers....What will happen to the pimple faced white-bread, or gang banger, who orders my evacuation dury a rainy day on top of my hilltop? I believe you will be able to reason with these recruits. The never expect a left handed pistol shooter.......Rescue me..Get off my lawn motherfucker!!!

190 At minimum, its a ploy to get everybody fingerprinted and DNA'd. The rural broadband shit is useful for monitoring interests in deep red territory like Appalachia, too.

Deeply worrying. Actually planning out routes to travel away on these days. I'm thinking 81 - head for the hills....

191 Cromagnum....why yes, he does a bit..........

192

During Vietnam, draft dodgers went to Canada. Maybe now they can hide out in Cleveland with aunty Goony-GooGoo?

193 I still can't see how this is a good thing to some people, but they also think holding terrorists at Guantanamo Bay and using the Patriot Act are bad things. But perhaps I'm being too rational.

194 Needless to say, his campaign was monitoring us during the run-up to the election and there's to reason to suspect he won't be using those same methods after he gets in [might already be, TBH] so communications and coordination, which we would need, becomes more difficult.

Makes me wonder. Old CBs? Ham radio? Crypto everything? Might as well think it through.

195 Easy with the Hitler analogies, people.

However, it should be noted that Godwin's Law does not state that all argumentum ad Hitleram is fallacious, merely that as a comment thread's length goes to infinity, the likelihood of Hitler's being invoked approaches unity. If Nazi-like crap is going down, then mentioning it does not invalidate your argument.

Right now, my non-fiction read is Richard J. Evans' The Third Reich in Power. It is utterly chilling. What is most horrible is the way the Nazis gradually accreted power to themselves, until they got to the point where dissent was punishable by imprisonment or death (and dissent could be as innocuous as making a joke about Göring or distributing pamphlets). Rowing a society back from that level of oppression is essentially infeasible on short timescales without warfare. I do not think that the US is in any danger of slipping into a similar nightmare. However, I also think that there is a ratchet effect in Leftist politics, and that ceding even an inch of the battlefield is a well-nigh irreversible loss. The Gramscians have a lot further political horizon than the typical politician, and that is their strength. If the price of liberty is eternal vigilance, then it is one one we should be able to pay without being cast as swivel-eyed nutjobs by the denizens of DailyKos and the Huffington Post.

196 When people give you the" it can't happen here" argument ace....just ask them "Really? Why not?"
 Seriously, I would like an answer to that one too.......
 We already have all the ingredients that Germany had back in the day...
 Let's see.... a crazy narcissistic leader ..."When I am elected the seas will fall and the planet will begin to heal"...you know ace, normal people don't say crap like that]
 A populace chock-a-block full of mooching ignorant parasites thanks to the likes of bill ayers, the ACLU and the teacher's unions....just to name a few.
 A manufactured credit crisis.
And a media that is already doing his bidding exclusively.
 Tell me again how this isn't like Germany when Hitler took over?

197 I know exactly how to fuck things up and still look like I'm doing the job.

I bunch of stoners don't even need to fake it, they'll fuck up naturally.  This isn't going to be the SS, or the Brownshirts, more like the cast from Meatballs.

198 Barracks=Teh Ghey Bahthouse. Unforms= Rasberry Berets...As powerful as the military? These young people in our volunteer military, take their OATH to uphold the Constitution much more seriously than this asshole will ever know...Perhaps he will find out, much to his peril....Ok, I can dream.

199 Interesting times indeed...

...when in school they warned of those who would kill 6 million...

...now they vote for The One whose confederates* vow(ed) to kill 25 million...

...interesting times indeed.


/* no slur intended to you'll southern racists morons, pity y'all will be the next batch after the Chi-Town suburbanite racists haoles**

/** haoles - just a hat-tip to The One's kamaina kine***

/*** which reminds my southern haole fukin' mainlander okola, WTF was The One doing in Indonesia during the 'Year(s) of Living Dangeriously'

200 @85:  those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it. and who has been teaching your kids?

Well, teachers trained in schools of education dominated by the pedagogical ideology of--you guessed it!--Bill Ayers. Indeed, he was elected vice president for curriculum in the American Education Research Association, the largest organization of education school professors and researchers.

See for yourself:
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=29115

201 When people give you the" it can't happen here" argument ace....just ask them "Really? Why not?"
 Seriously, I would like an answer to that one too.......

I asked my father this question a half hour ago.

He said the media would prevent it.

202 "Really? Why not?"

Just said...

203 If the price of liberty is eternal vigilance, then it is one one we should be able to pay without being cast as swivel-eyed nutjobs by the denizens of DailyKos and the Huffington Post.

 I believe this is known as the Lord Chamberlain argument is it not?
 I care not how I look, I care about getting the message across....and to that end it is important to be accurate and not full of screeching rhetoric.
 That being said we cannot worry about how we look.....sheesh.
 

204 What do we have to fear from a bunch of overweight, online gamers who can't score weed for 3 months?...Or are they going to be Black Panthers III, with Fed Creds? Either way, this has to be hammered on  ASAP. Every decent reporter (both), should be asking this at every chance. Perhaps we can convince him to do this in his "second term". Hee Hee Hee.

205 He said the media would prevent it.

THE MEDIA WILL PAY FOR IT.

Finally, social justice will done...

206 ".......Every decent reporter"
 uh huh....this is where your theory goes way wrong.
 and it won't be online gamers. it will be dead eyed true believers and they won't be fooling around.
 soros and co. are looking for a reckoning....do not fool yourselves...........
 this wasn't an election as much as it was a coup of ideals.

207 christmasghost, you're right, but people raised in our culture find it hard to imagine. Hell, people raised through World War 1 found it hard to imagine.

208 " without being cast as swivel-eyed nutjobs by the denizens of DailyKos and the Huffington Post."

I look at it sorta like this:
I'm not anxious to join the ranks of the nut job black helicopter sorts - Hell, I think they're goons and was very dismayed about the level of support Ron Paul had.

But, like it or not, those Ron Paul folks formed a power block and they're still around, black helicopter shit and all.

IF big IF Obama starts this nonsense, if it really goes awry, more folks will join the black helicopter brigades and less will go for the non-insane Republican leaders that could, maybe, bring us back from the brink.

Which means extremism on both sides, and a large middle that cannot regain control. Seriously, the momentum is already present, which may in fact partially account for why Obama's even proposing the thing.

Like I said, its deeply worrying.

209 "Seriously, the momentum is already present, which may in fact partially account for why Obama's even proposing the thing."

You believe Ron Paul supporters are goading Obama into putting in place the building blocks of a dictatorship?

210 Remember, you're not paranoid if they really are out to get you.

Am I paranoid? You decide. Here's the documented facts. All I do is string 'em together:

Bill Ayers, with a couple other SDS allies, founds and leads the Weathermen.

Weathermen's ideology is worldwide overthrow of the imperialist "white" oppressors by blacks and other "people of color."

Obama writes autobiography subtitled "A Story of Race and Inheritance," revealing a lifelong obsession with race (completely understandable, by the way, given his unique life circumstances).

In radio interview, Obama describes a "fundamental flaw" in the Constitution: It does not provide for "redistribution" in order to redress disparities between blacks and whites.

In his co-chairmanship (with Bill Ayers) of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, Obama advocates using the education system as a means to "redistribute" wealth and power from whites to blacks.

In the Democrat caucuses early in 2008, large black men stand at the entrances to caucus locations and act as "bouncers" barring Hillary Clinton supporters, including little old white ladies, from entering the caucuses.

In the general election on November 4, 2008, Black Panthers, one of them armed with a nightstick, block the entrance to a polling site.

Comrade Obama promotes a Civilian National Defense Force that would be independent of the military and would operate among the civilian population.

What do YOU think we're talking about here?

211 No, christoph. I'm looking at the way the ground lies is all.

212 What is most horrible is the way the Nazis gradually accreted power to themselves, until they got to the point where dissent was punishable by imprisonment or death (and dissent could be as innocuous as making a joke about Göring or distributing pamphlets).

There's a story at Powerline about a young woman who got beaten up pretty badly for wearing a McCain/Palin button on election night.

People making silly jokes about stoners and slackers need to wake up. These people really are proto-fascists.

213 I'm glad you clarified, Evil. I was perplexed.

214 Christoph...yup, I know.
 But ask yourselves this. How did Obama get elected? And we may look at the kos kids as being nuts but their strategy worked didn't it?
 So, who is crazy now?
 A winning strategy is a winning strategy.
 And when ...not if...Obama really comes out of Hitler's closet do you think the average citizen is going to trust the "I only fight fair" people that lost John McCain the election? And I will readily admit that he was a lousy candidate. I only supported him because he was the lesser of the two evils by far.
 His would have been creeping socialism and bi-partisanship that would have slowly driven us all mad.
 Obama is going to be like Hitler.

215 good night and good luck

;^D

216 Obama has it backwards. The government provides for the common defense, not the common people providing for the government's defense!

1. It's really just a social engineering program to throw 18-25 year olds into a civil defense training thing just to "make them better Americans."

2. And we're going to pay for this... how? Especially since he wants it to be as well-funded and as big as the military?

3. Emanuel talks about training through the National Guard in that audio, has anyone bothered to sit down and have a serious chat with him about Posse Comitatus?

4. Why do we need this, when we have survived without it? Who says so, and with what data, to say that we have need for this?

I have other points, but those are what come to mind immediately.

We can't let them implement this.

217 "How did Obama get elected?"

My dad  someone who refuses to see what's in front of his face (I'm not talking about Obama's $500 billion Civilian National Security Force nor Rahm Emmanuel's mandatory Civil Defense service for youth, I'm talking about such a matter as Obama turning off online credit card transaction safeguards to accept donations where the name doesn't match the card, and the address isn't verified... my dad, point blank, refused to believe it and when I said I'd prove it to him, said he'd still refuse to believe it), made one good point and that is Bush fatigue.

The fact is, elections swing this way and that way naturally. My dad was right about that.

Yes, Obama broke fundraising rules, intididated Clinton caucus voters, lied about this, that, and the other, has a sympathetic left-wing media largely as a result of plans by Gramsci and Alinsky and people of their ilk, and a left wing education system. All true. I even think Henry Paulson's incompetence or worse created an economic crisis 8 weeks before the election.

But mostly the election just swung the Democrats way because it was there time. After all, the GOP ticked outperformed the generic Republican ticket, showing perhaps some uneasiness with Barack Obama specifically.

None of this has anything to do with the character and aims of the man the U.S. has elected. After all, the Russian Czar wasn't particularly popular, but Vladimir Lenin proved worse.

218 It's really just a social engineering program to throw 18-25 year olds into a civil defense training thing just to "make them better Americans."

At a minimum, it's the ultimate "get out the youth vote" program (as well as indoctrinating them), isn't it?

219 * intididated - intimidated

220 *At a minimum, it's the ultimate "get out the youth vote" program (as well as indoctrinating them), isn't it?*

Exactly. All the lofty patriotic rhetoric in the world isn't going to convince me that this will make young Americans feel better about themselves and their country. Besides "re-educating" them, I think they would get wind of the notion that their self-determination is being curtailed and they are beholden to the state...

...At least, that's the message this 20 year-old gets from Obama and Emanuel...

221 This is not new.  It also is not good.

AMERICAN PROTECTIVE LEAGUE

Look it up.

222 First, we do not allow our children to join. End of message. Any child of mine who joins Hussein Pasha's Sturm Abteilung voluntarily is no longer my child, because he will have betrayed his country, his family, and the Constitution. If they come to draft them, resist including with deadly force. If they appear on our streets, the very least they should receive is contempt and ridicule. If they attempt to impose their will on behalf of Hussein Pasha, it is on.

If you see your neighbors, or fellow citizens anywhere resisting, join them. Oh, and you may want to remember who in your community was active in support of Obama. Just in case the knowledge comes in handy.

It has been said that if one SS man died for every Jewish family they took to the camps, the process would not have lasted long.

223 By the way, it is silly to postulate that Obama will be another Hitler. Hitler was the product of a German culture very different from our own. That doesn't mean that Obama isn't a fascist (he most likely is), and then doesn't mean he doesn't want to install an authoritarian state (clearly he does), but it does mean that Obama appears to be trying to create an American fascist system. As others have pointed out, this is likely to take a form similar to what Wilson and FDR put in place, though I would guess a much broader scope. On the plus side, there is a very real possibility that Obama's extremist policies will create a massive backlash. The Left as a whole has moved our culture slowly but surely since the rise of the "New Left" in the 60s. Obama could easily be the force that finally gets the American people to stop accepting this gradual descent. Or he could provoke a civil war. Or the American people could really have decided that like our European cousins, a "fair master" is really preferable to liberty.

224 Obama wants his own KGB. A Para-military force that does not have to respect the constitutional rights of  US citizens.
The US Military can not do 'police work' except for very limited situations, and the existing US Federal Law Enforcement Agencies have to respect the constitutional rights of suspects.

Obama intends to silence all of his critics. He will threaten the FCC License of any station, and will attack any who dare question Him. This Civil Defense Force will be His private secret police force.

225

Obama is obviously not a dictator. To be a dictator, you have to have huge portraits of yourself everywhere.

http://tinyurl.com/5lde7n

Crap.

226 @208:  Which means extremism on both sides, and a large middle that cannot regain control. Seriously, the momentum is already present, which may in fact partially account for why Obama's even proposing the thing.

Yes, Obama wants unrest and turmoil. Alinskyites are all about manufacturing and exploiting chaos.

See: "Barack Obama and the Strategy of Manufactured Crisis," at American Thinker. This article ties together Obama, Ayers, Alinsky, ACORN, the mortgage crisis, illegal immigration, and George Soros. A must-read.

http://tinyurl.com/4dzmmq

227 If Obama was successful in gaining fascist control of America, would he not attempt an invasion of another land, like fascist do? Or would that war for the states, i.e. second civl war.

228 "If Obama was successful in gaining fascist control of America, would he not attempt an invasion of another land, like fascist do?"

Well, that's certainly one of my concerns.

229 Brit Hume has already started the ''ODS/don't question the obamilitia'' meme

230 #226 Dude, I just read that link and thew up. Holy fucking cock sucking shit!

231 Percopius, it gets better.

232 > It Can't Happen Here and all that.

It's already happened here. That's why I suggested reading the Woodrow Wilson chapter in Liberal Fascism. WW was an inspiration to Mussolini and Hitler.

When Warren Harding won the Presidency in 1920 his motto was "Return to Normalcy". That is, returning FROM Wilson's Fascism to normal Americanism. I'm not exaggerating about Wilson. One of the early actions of Harding was to release Ten Thousand political prisoners that had been locked up under the Wilson administration.

Do I need to point out that both Wilson and Obama were college professors?

Wilson saw the Constitution as obsolete. Obama sees it as deeply flawed.

233 "It's already happened here. That's why I suggested reading the Woodrow Wilson chapter in Liberal Fascism. WW was an inspiration to Mussolini and Hitler."

Yes. I know. But try explaining that to ignoramuses like my father (not my mom -- she called Obama as a threat before I). My father seems to view knowledge as suspect anyway.

That's probably why when he said, "It can't happen in the U.S." to me tonight, and I asked him, "Why?" he said, "The media would prevent it."

How do you argue with such stupidity and moral cowardice?

My father always was a moral coward and intellectually uninterested in truth (well, it certainly can't be allowed to get in the way of hockey, drinking coke, or worrying about his finances before reading a fiction book). Perhaps that explains my stridency. I do not know.

234 I'd like to think bluejade has the right of it, and this will all turn into a masuive overreach on BO's part. I've actually been hoping this scary/stupid douche gets his involuntary volunteerism program through. Who does dumbfuck think is going to be driving all the middle school and high school kids to their 100 hours of "volunteer" work? Soccer moms, that's who, who'll be none too pleased to have yet another obligation added to their itineraries, and will vote accordingly.

That being said, I'm half polish, a quarter irish and one hundred percent American and will fucking go wolverine before I submit to a fascist state.

And I know there are millions more like me in this great country. We're not so far gone yet. I hope.

235 wow, that should've read "massive" overreach. i need to drink less before posting.

236 This general draft idea is alien to American culture for a good reason ... it stands for the state as a symbol of the collective ... in other words, it's Nationalistic. Americans do philosophical patriotism, not Nationalism.

237 210 Remember, you're not paranoid if they really are out to get you.

The issue isn't whether you're paranoid, the issue is whether you're paranoid enough

238

@  MrsPaulsFishSticks This amazes me.  As a county worker in California I am already by law an emergency disaster worker with assigned duties. 

Amen to that. Same here (different state).

They will sugarcoat this thing six ways from Sunday, but it can only serve one purpose - political intimidation.

The entire Obama phenomenon owes so much to ignorance - of history, of the Constitution, of basic civics. The sad truth is we have a generation or two who've been educated to think the world began in 1968. WWII is a mythological pre-history that doesn't really matter any more. To them Hitler is just a symbol for anything "bad" - he's their angel Lucifer. Hence the ease with which they let fly with the Bushitler garbage.

It's frightening ignorance that needs to be corrected with conviction, with ridicule, and with facts, facts, facts. It has all happened before, and not only in Germany. Godwin's Law shouldn't prevent us from calling a fascist idea by its proper name.

239 Sooooo late to the party b/c no interwebs last night, but I blogged on this subject yesterday. My final point was that you build an army of soldiers to fight soldiers. Like fights like. So if you build an army of civilians ...

240 Hitler's original Brown Shirts were infested with homosexuals. Historical fact.

Just sayin'

241 Not just the brown shirts, Tora. His highest advisers as well. I laugh when people try to say that religion motivated him. He emulated pagan  Rome in nearly all things including divorcing morality from sexuality and dabbling in the Occult.

242 #99 Christoph....It was said Hitler whacked a girlfriend...she was found dead in her apartment and a coverup ensued.Next-up EVA. Also Stalin was a Bolshevik thug for years before he ascended to power. It is doubtful that he DIDN"T kill anyone on the way. Saddam modeled his career after the monster. You might be right about Lenin, compared to the other two, Lenin was a pussy...he minds me of The One though.

243

It's simple actually.  Obama wants to side step the 2nd ammendment.  The democrats have tried everything they can to remove weapons from US citizens but always seem to fall short..  All Oboma has to do is create a "Well Regulated Militia" and then they would be the only ones allowed to own a personal weapon.  With Obama's civilian army in place the democrats could argue that they were legally the only civilians allowed to legally own a gun.  And of course the democrats would decide who gets to be in the national militia.

My advice to anyone that owns a gun is to find a really good hiding place for it....cuz the dems are going to do everything they can.....including the actual creation of a civilian militia.......in order to take it away from you.

Nothing Obama does or says is in line with true American ideals such as the opportunity for one to better themselves thru self determination or the ability to personally defend ones family and property from criminals.  Obama is determined to strip law abiding citizens of the right to own a gun.  And once he appoints a few more liberal judges to the Supreme Court he will probably finally have the votes he needes.......it was way too close last time a vote was taken.

244 The Democratic chair for our county told our Republican county chair that the pollwatchers and volunteers that had never been involved before were making her crazy, as they didn't have any concept of following rules. She spent Election Day having to run between several polling centers as the Obamatons were causing trouble.  (I blogged about one of the polling centers here.)

If they're causing that much trouble when they're supposed to be making their Fearless Leader look good, imagine how much trouble the ones who don't give a shit will cause?  Or what's going to happen with the 'security force' when the Democrats lose the White House?

245 #242 - That was his cousin, and she committed suicide. It's thought that Hitler had an unhealthy obsession with her, and maybe she felt this was the only way she could escape him. I don't think he ever talked about her again after her death. I guess Eva ended up pretty much the same way.

246 Appropriate handle Herr Dr. Mabuse; given the shadowy associations of our new President elect .

247

Haven't read the comments.

The entire purpose is to dismantle the military. If we are weak and vulnerable to attack we will be forced to be more responsible "Citizens of the World". No more bulling and forcing our values (like liberty and justice) on the rest of the world.

248 @17:
 mostly the election just swung the Democrats way because it was their time.

Christoph--you're mostly right about most things, BUT:
the pendulum didn't just naturally swing. It was pushed and pulled--by the great string-puller of the world, George Soros.

Visit www.discoverthenetworks.org, and look at some of the stuff they've got on George Soros, particularly John Fund's article on "Obama's Liberal Shock Troops." Colorado, for instance, didn't just sort of "naturally" decide to "go Democrat" after being reliably Republican in 9 of the last 10 presidential elections. The Soros operations made it happen.

249 @233:  Try explaining that [why "it can happen here"] to ignoramuses like my father.... [He] seems to view knowledge as suspect anyway.

 Our culture is now based on reality-evasion and magical thinking, i.e.,
If we wish something to be so, it will be so.
If we wish something to not be so, it won't.
Presto! Isn't that amazing!

Examples: 

Pregnant woman:  I don't want what's in me to be a baby....therefore, it's NOT!
Typical American citizen:  I don't want there to be people in the world who are determined to kill us all.....therefore, there AREN'T!
Obamabot:  I want a Messiah (but not that Jesus guy!) to save me and make everything all right.... therefore, Obama IS the Messiah!

250 Don't freak out.  It's not going to happen. 

I think they came up with this during a brainstorming session, and high as a kite.  It sounded good, sitting in a bean bag and watching looney tunes, but they won't push it, Congress won't go for it. 

I would worry more about tax hikes and assault weapon bans.

251 @230:  #226 Dude, I just read that link and threw up.

Yup, I know what you mean.

Know what I do when it gets like that? Think about Sarah. Sarah and her family. Sarah cheering on Todd at the snowmobile race. Sarah out in the snow hunting moose, then serving up a big pot of moose stew. Sarah with Piper on the campaign trail, speaking to beyond-all-predictions, standing-room-only, hanging-off-the-rafters crowds. Sarah and baby Trig. You know that awesome picture of Sarah holding Trig after her convention speech? I printed it off the Internet, laminated it, and I've got one copy over my kitchen sink and another in my wallet.

The antidote to sickness and evil is goodness and wholesomeness, of which Sarah, flawed human being though she be, is an icon.

Love and innocence--not wimpy love and innocence, but brave and strong love and innocence ("innocent as doves, but cunning as serpents") are REAL. As comforting and vivifying as a cup of hot tea or a cool bowl of ice cream.

252 Cromwell!!

253

            I must admit, and I do so with delight, that I am an apostate of the new religion. With the advent of The One, so too comes the era of religion of the state, complete with all the vestiges of the paganism it recalls. To deny its sanctity is blasphemy of the highest order for the state is all and its prophet is infallible. The development of this new religion has been long in the making and its arrival heralds a new day for the oppressed and down trodden. No longer will the oppressed masses lie at the mercy of their oppressor for the prophet has come to bring fairness and prosperity. I openly deny this prophet and his faith in the state. I believe in the individual and have faith in his abilities and talents. The state and its prophet be damned, for it is the state which seeks to plunge man into the abyss of collectivism and decay.

         To place ones faith in the state as the protector and provider is to deny the individual and all that he represents...

http://www.hostileopposition.blogspot.com

254
the state is all and its prophet is infallible.

Ooh, I like that.
And, like a certain other religion that shall go unnamed, do I instantly become a member of the faith and attain salvation by simply saying:
"In the name of the all-compassionate, the all-merciful government, there is no god but government, and Obama is its prophet"

Oh, boy, fast track to paradise!!

255 Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at November 13, 2008 11:38 AM (Prdx7)

Yeah, Kathy, that was one of the most important and accurate comments on the internet.

256 I just say this. Gun up while you can. If you need advice, I post as WiseguyThreeOne on ar15.com and y'all can find me there easier than the hotmail account I rarely check.

257 I make fun of NWO kooks all the time but Obama has me scared. A CNSF? Just like Putins youth core or the paramilitary Chavez has. It is absurd for the right to be embarrassed by worries about a leftist who is trying to create a military wing of his party. At best it'll look like the last time the Democrats had their own paramilitary (The Ku Klux Klan) at worst it'll be just like Nazi Germany.

Will we sit back and wait until it's too late to do anything or prepare for what looks to be inevitable conflict. Is ti time for the tree of liberty to once again be nourished by the blood of patriots?

If the Democrats send a paramilitary force to my home I'm prepared to fight, and die, to protect my family and neighbors, but have we been so beaten down as a people that most of us will not? Do we really think all leftists are so soft around the edges we need not fear them?

This idea, and it's implementation is our canary in the coal mine. If Obama goes through with what he said we will know what his desires are, we'll know our Republic will be snuffed out and replaced by the new America of Ayers, Wright and Alinsky. Now is not the time to attack our fellow Americans in an attempt to save face in front of the very people who would cheer us being thrown in camps. We should be sticking together in case Obama's army becomes a reality.

258 I'll share the analysis from a market analyst who has been dead-on accurate about how years ago he said we would see a stock market wipeout, real estate wipeout, and debt wipeout. Given this, I fully agree with "Gun up while you can." I would also add, "Get your money outside the country while you still can!" Here's the analyst's take on Obama, even more chilling than what has already been mentioned here:

Unbeknownst to most Americans, the Democrats are about to perpetrate the greatest act of legalized theft in U.S. history. They have already held Congressional hearings on a proposal to convert IRAs, SEPs, Keoghs and 401(k) accounts into what they call “Guaranteed Retirement Accounts” (GRAs). The proposal calls for moving trillions of dollars of Americans’ private retirement accounts into a new “pool” administered by the Social Security Administration, supplemented by a new 5% payroll tax (on top of the current 15% already paid).

Make no mistake: This proposal for MANDATORY confiscation of private retirement accounts is how the Democrats plan to pay for the bail out of companies like GM and FORD and provide all the free goodies they’ve promised their voters – Universal Health Care, expanded Social Security benefits, new greatly expanded unemployment payments, hugh increases in the minimum wage, unionization by intimidation, and more. You don’t have much time left to protect your life savings. Barack Obama’s aides have already told the media that he will be ready to “rule” on January 20th – and rule he will by presidential decree! In fact, he has plans to set up a national army under his direct control. He has a mandate to “spread the wealth around,” by force if necessary, and the wealth he plans on spreading is YOUR life savings!

Dear Robert,

Let me tell you, it isn’t easy being a “mad prophet of the airways,” like the character of Howard Beal in the movie Network. In my case, it would be the “mad prophet of Wall Street.”

I realize my views sound extreme. People laugh at me. It gets old. When I told everyone that America’s biggest banks and financial institutions would go broke and be “nationalized,” people laughed. That’s absurd, they said. This is America. This is a free country. The government doesn’t “nationalize” banks here.

They laughed right up until the moment the government took over Bear Stearns... then American Insurance Group (AIG)... then Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac... then literally ORDERED Merrill Lynch to be sold.

Now I have an even more extreme prophecy to lay before you. This one is SO EXTREME, even fewer people will believe it – that is, until it actually comes true.

Barack Obama and his fellow radical Democrats in Congress will soon confiscate the retirement accounts of MILLIONS of Americans.

They will say that they’re doing this for retirees’ own good – to “save” the accounts from the depredations of the stock market – but the real reason is that they need the cash to “spread the wealth around” and fund Obama’s ambitious socialist agenda.

The Democrats Have Their Eyes on the

Largest Pile of Cash Still Available in the U.S.

Despite the recent stock market crash, there are literally TRILLIONS of dollars now sitting in thousands of IRAs, SEPs, Keoghs, 401(k) accounts and Defined Benefit Pension Plans in the U.S.

Obama and his radical leftist colleagues WANT that money. It’s the only freely available cash left in the U.S.

The government already has rules in place to FORCE investors to disgorge their wealth. The required minimum distribution, or RMD, rules force tens of millions of retirees to take money out of their tax-deferred retirement accounts each year.

The reason for the forced disbursement is simple: The government figures it's waited long enough for the taxes on all that sheltered cash and it wants its money, NOW! The rule to force withdrawals, developed more than 20 years ago, make it more difficult for retirees to pass their savings along to their heirs.

Many older investors, unaware of the sneaky rules, end up paying a hefty penalty of 50% or more of the amount that the government says should be withdrawn for failing to comply.

But now Democrats in Congress want to go a step further. They actually have plans to literally CONFISCATE workers’ personal retirement accounts — including 401(k)s and IRAs — and convert them to accounts “managed” by the Social Security Administration.

Doing this would solve two problems:

(1) It would temporarily fix the MASSIVE unfunded liabilities that Social Security and Medicare already face (an estimated $56 trillion) without huge payroll tax increases of up to 40% just for Social Security; and

(2) It would allow Obama to “borrow” the new cash to fund his Universal Health Care and other redistributionist socialist programs under the cover of “saving” people’s pension plans.

Sound incredible? Well guess what? Democrats in Congress have ALREADY held hearings on the plan!

The Democrats Want You to Convert Your IRAs and 401(k) Accounts into New Guaranteed Retirement Accounts Controlled by Them!

On October 7, the House Committee on Education and Labor smelling the coming election victories held hearings on a proposal to eliminate tax breaks for 401(k) and similar retirement accounts, such as IRAs, and confiscate workers’ retirement plan accounts and “convert” them to universal Guaranteed Retirement Accounts (GRAs) managed by the Social Security Administration.

According to a proposal by the ultra-leftwing Economic Policy Institute, the new GRA accounts...

... would be MANDATORY...

... would increase payroll taxes on workers by an ADDITIONAL 5% on top of the 7.5% in Social Security and Medicare taxes they pay and the 7.5% their employers pay...

... would be “pooled” into a gigantic fund administered by the Social Security Administration....

... would LIMIT participants’ maximum gains to 3% annually over and above inflation (a rate of return which would eventually be lowered to LESS than 3%); and

... would limit transfer of assets to heirs after death to just 50% of the account less money already collected.

Make no mistake: In exchange for a “guaranteed” return of between 1% and 3% a year over and above inflation, the government would take control of YOUR money and do with it what it sees fit.

The chairman of the House Committee, Rep. George Miller (D-Calif.), said that the government is being “forced” to confiscate the retirement accounts to “strengthen and protect” Americans’ pensions. He added that the “Democratic Congress will continue to conduct this much-needed oversight on behalf of the American people.”

Under current law, Americans can contribute pretax money to retirement plans, such as 401(k)s, and their employers match up to a defined percentage. These accounts not only increase workers’ retirement savings but also reduce their annual income tax.

Money You Don’t Control

is NOT Your Money!

But guess what? I’ve always known that these retirement plans are really a big, fat TRAP.

That’s because all tax-deferred retirement plans come with a catch: They MUST remain within the United States, under the direct control of the Federal government. And the government controls what you can invest in.

That’s because the government has always secretly known that, in a worst-case depression scenario, it could confiscate these funds outright – so long as they remain under U.S. jurisdiction and they know where they are. Money held in offshore bank accounts, or stuffed in mattresses, would be much more difficult for the Feds to steal. (That’s also why it’s a federal crime, with a penalty of up to 5 years in prison, not to annually report ALL foreign bank accounts with combined totals of more than $10,000. The government wants to know where your money is!)

In other words: Your retirement accounts constitute a gigantic piggy bank that the Feds have had their eyes on for years!

And now is the perfect moment for the Feds to pull off this mass-confiscation of American wealth.

...
When Obama Takes Power in January,

They’re Going to Track Down

Every Penny You Own!

It wasn’t a landslide victory like Reagan’s, but Barack Obama’s victory makes him the most powerful president since FDR. He has a mandate to “help the poor” and right social injustices of the past.

With the Democrats now controlling BOTH houses of Congress – and, thanks to vote-stealing and recounts in states like Minnesota, nearing a filibuster-majority of 60 seats in the Senate -- Obama’s Administration will be the most extreme, most powerful left-wing government in 70 years. What Obama wants, Obama will get.

Make no mistake: When Comrade Obama takes power in January, it’s gonna be PAY BACK time! He is talking about a big bang of new presidential decrees (executive orders) that will have the force of law without the need of Congressional approval.

And that’s just the beginning. An army made up of TENS OF THOUSANDS of ultra-radical, potentially violent, America-hating liberals is about to take over the most powerful police and most intrusive electronic spying apparatus ever created.

And when they do, ordinary Americans are going to be in for the SHOCK of their lives!

While George W. Bush and the Republicans trounced on civil liberties and used warrant-less wiretaps in the pursuit of global terrorists, Barack Obama and his leftwing allies are going to use the same spying technologies... on U.S. taxpayers!

Obama has already proposed the creation of a civilian “security force” to insure compliance with his new socialist rules. He proposes a personal army under the direct control of the president that will operate inside the United State to go after citizens and their assets. "We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set," Obama said in July. "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."

That’s hardly a new idea. Both Hitler and Stalin did the same thing when they came to power. Nothing like your own personal army of storm troopers to insure compliance with your decrees!

Obama and left-wing Democrats in Congress are already planning on a MASSIVE national investigation of your personal finances – using the IRS, of course, but also local banks to turn you in under the know your costumer rules, the FBI, the NSA, the SEC, and even military intelligence and Interpol.

In pursuit of “tax cheats,” they will take advantage of the anti-money laundering provisions of the U.S. Patriot Act to hunt down, and confiscate, the bank accounts and assets of millions of law-abiding citizens. No need for a warrant or due process, your assets seized and you can go to court and try to get them back. Why do all this?

The reason is obvious: They need money (and lots of it!) to redistribute –- Obama has made expectations of the masses extremely high and they must have a source of money to pay for their socialist utopia, YOUR life savings!

Democrats must raise TRILLIONS of dollars to fund the blank-check socialist giveaway programs Obama promised to his supporters.

They want to take money AWAY from “the rich” (hard-working employees and small business owners) and give it to “the poor” (people who have never worked, never started a business, never paid taxes and have never been productive). And the only place left to find that much money is... the savings accounts and other assets of America’s hard-working, productive, very vulnerable middle class.

“Hundreds of billions of dollars in taxes are owed to the government each year but are not being collected,” said Representative an long time Obama supporter and advisor Charles B. Rangel, Democrat from New York's Harlem district and chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, himself investigated for criminal tax evasion. “It’s like somebody saying, you’re in the will, but you’re not going to get the money anyway. We’re still going to go after it.”

According to the New York Times, Democrats want to generate “substantially more tax revenue and much of that is likely to come from closer to home than a tax haven in the Caymans.”

The paper went on to describe the kinds of “tax cheats” Obama and the Democrat-congress plan on targeting: “... self-employed painters and plumbers, small family businesses (from local florists and dry-cleaners to restaurants) and the growing legions who sell things over eBay and other Internet auction sites.”

“Tax cheats come in all shapes and sizes,” explains Democratic Senator Carl Levin of Michigan, Chairman of the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations. Levin is pushing through a bill in Congress that would make offshore bank accounts virtually illegal. “This bill contains innovative and powerful measures that could strike an immediate and strong blow against these tax dodges,” he said in April. “These provisions would recover billions that could help pay for health care, education, manufacturing support, aid for wounded warriors, and more.”

Obama’s Huge Tax Hikes Mean Americans Would Pay More Taxes Than People in the Socialist Societies of Denmark and Sweden!

Don’t kid yourself! Comrade Obama is about to oversee the largest tax increase in history.

Despite his claim that “95% of the American people” will pay fewer taxes under his proposals, the truth is that Obama plans on raising taxes on virtually everyone except for the unemployed, illegal immigrants, people living on government hand outs and welfare recipients, his main constituents.

According to the non-partisan Tax Policy Center of the Brookings Institution, the Obama plan would reduce taxes for low- and moderate-income families but “raise them significantly for high-bracket taxpayers” and even “middle-income taxpayers would see their after-tax income RISE... over the next four years.”

In fact, Obama’s tax increases will give the United States one of the highest tax rates among developed countries – 55.6% when you combined his new top rate of 39% with new Social Security taxes of 16.5% on ALL income. If he gets his way with the new Guaranteed Retirement Accounts, that will rise to 60.6%.

Only six of the top 30 industrial nations have a tax rate for all levels of government of over 55%.

Under Obama’s plan, the U.S. will have a higher top rate than that of Sweden and Denmark. And when you combine state income taxes and Social Security taxes, the top marginal rate would exceed 74% on every dollar earned over a certain amount. Welcome to Socialism!




And big increases in income tax rates are only the beginning. Obama’s tax plans include...

... eliminating ALL of the Bush tax cuts that did away with income taxes for up to 40% of American workers...

... nearly DOUBLING of the capital gains tax from 15% to 29%...

... pushing middle-class employees into higher tax brackets with “refundable” tax credits – an accounting trick that the non-partisan Tax Policy Center at the Brookings Institution estimates will result in 13% higher taxes on families earning as little as $31,000 a year!

... keeping the dreaded Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) in place so, if people use tax planning to legally lower their taxes, the government can still take more of their money...

... and THOUSANDS of “hidden” tax increases on such things as gasoline, airline tickets and companies... and

... INCREASING payroll taxes by 5% to create Guaranteed Retirement Accounts.



Obama’s Radical Admirers Want to

Turn America into a Marxist State!

On November 9th, the co-chair of Barack Obama's Transition Team, Valerie Jarrett, appeared on Meet the Press and told Tom Brokaw that Obama will be ready to "rule" on day one.

Not “govern” a free, democratic nation, but “rule.”

His transition team has also let it be known they don't plain on waiting for congress to approve their plains either. They are going to make sweeping use of presidential decrees to enforce new laws because of the financial emergency. They have named this plan Obama's BIG BANG.

Jarret told Brokaw that "given the daunting challenges that we face, it's important that president elect Obama is prepared to really take power and begin to rule day one."


Make no mistake: Obama and the hard-left, America-hating Sixties radicals he is bringing with him to the White House do indeed plan to “rule” immediately. Obama’s supporters don’t consider him to be merely a U.S. president but rather someone who will “transform” the entire world.

In early October, Louis Farrakhan, the head of the racist black power organization Nation of Islam -- a man who says that “white people are potential humans — they haven't evolved yet” -- told a screaming mob that Obama is the “messiah” who is “the hope of the entire world.”

"You are the instruments that God is going to use to bring about universal change, and that is why Barack has captured the youth,” Farrakhan told the crowd. “And he has involved young people in a political process that they didn't care anything about. That's a sign. When the Messiah speaks, the youth will hear, and the (black) Messiah ( Obama) is absolutely speaking."

But what is Farrakhan’s hope for America? Nothing less than total destruction of the productive, hard-working Americans.

According to the Anti-Defamation League of B’nei Brith, Farrakhan has told his followers that “America is a modern Sodom and Gomorrah” and that “there is no wicked nation in the past that approaches the evil that is practiced in America on a daily basis.” Because it is so evil, Farrakhan added, God will inspire Muslims to destroy her:

"God will destroy America by the hands of the Muslims,” the ADL quotes Farrakhan telling an Iranian newspaper in 1996. “God will not give Japan or Europe the honor of bringing down the United States; this is an honor God will bestow upon Muslims."

Trust me: One way or another, Barack Obama will preside over the destruction of the United States, at least as it currently exists.

Obama will oversee the total collapse of the U.S. economy... the systematic looting of American banks... the wipeout of the accumulated wealth of three generations... the confiscation of your retirement savings... and the creation of an enormous federal police state to loot the assets of “tax cheats,” as Levin and other Democrats call ordinary citizens.

Plus, thanks to the leftwing media, which has worked for a year to portray Barack Obama as a “moderate,” most Americans know virtually nothing about Obama’s radical past. He was a bona fide "red diaper baby" who spent his formative years -- literally from the moment of his birth -- interacting with members and sympathizers of the Communist Party.

Obama’s late mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, was described by former classmates as a "fellow traveler" who moved around the world in support of radical causes. His grandfather, Stanley Armour Dunham, introduced Obama in Hawaii to Communist Party member and drug dealer, Frank Marshall Davis, who allegedly sold Obama drugs from his hot dog stand in Waikiki.

The truth is, throughout his political career Barack Hussein Obama has been mentored by a collection of hard-left terrorists, black power racists and Muslim activists -- men like William Ayers, the unrepentant Weatherman terrorist who bombed the Pentagon and in whose living room Obama launched his political career, and Khalid Al-Mansour, the Black Panther Party adviser and Saudi confidante who helped raise money for Obama’s Harvard Law School tuition. During his street activist days in Chicago, he was mentored and supported by the likes of Louis Farrakhan and Jesse Jackson.

It’s little wonder that some people get nervous when Obama talks about creating a national “civilian security force” that should be "just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded" as the U.S. armed forces, as he did in October. (A Georgia Congressman complained that such a proposal sounded too much like the Hitler Youth or Marxist “cadres” that spy on neighbors.)

In any case, despite his talk of reconciliation and moderation, there is no doubt that Obama is bringing an ARMY of leftwing lawyers and former Sixties radicals with him to Washington.

The non-partisan National Journal rates Obama to be the most liberal member of the U.S. Senate in its entire history – more liberal even than the self-proclaimed (and only) socialist in Congress, Bernie Sanders of Vermont.

Plus, people forget that the LAST two Democratic administrations – those of Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter – were considered conservative Democrats.

Jimmy Carter was a born-again Christian and peanut farmer from Georgia who taught Sunday School classes. Bill Clinton, while no Sunday school teacher, was also a good old boy from the South who proclaimed himself a “New Democrat” who would “end welfare as we know it.”

Barack Obama is NOTHING like the last Democrats. He’s said so time after time: Capitalism is FINISHED! Freedom doesn’t work! Letting workers keep most of their money is a recipe for disaster!



Plus, Obama Wants to Open America’s Borders to MILLIONS More Illegal Aliens

The truth is, Obama wants to let MILLIONS of illegal aliens (many of them gang members and drug dealers) into America and grant citizenship to an estimated 12 million illegal aliens currently here. What’s more, he has a plan to give all these illegal aliens the same free health care, free college tuition and Social Security benefits of citizens.

The reason?

Such immigrants invariably vote for Democrats and will insure that the Democratic Party has a lock on the U.S. government for the coming decades – just as occurred after the LAST Great Depression, when Democrats ruled from 1932 until 1952.

By making tens of millions of Americans DEPENDENT upon government hand-outs, Obama and his radical allies know they can stay in power indefinitely.

As a state senator in Illinois, Obama co-sponsored that state’s version of the DREAM Act, which allowed young foreigners in the country illegally to receive in-state tuition.

He later supported similar legislation in the U.S. Senate – even when he discovered that it was foreign “students,” trained at U.S. universities and flight schools, who carried out the attacks on 9/11.

But while Obama wants to let tens of millions of impoverished and uneducated illegal immigrants into America to steal jobs and milk the system for all its worth, he wants to make sure that affluent, hard-working citizens can’t get OUT – at least, not with their savings.

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