1 Democracy just won't work in the communist state he is determined to establish. Thank you enlightened voters . . . you assholes really got us in a fix this time.

2

OT but interesting

Not something an average Obama cabinet member will try, but can we get some hu-rahs?

Just another example of capitalist machinery climbing to new heights.

3

He doesn’t support “Democracy” here so why do we think he would support it somewhere else? However, I don’t support fucking “nation building” either. After we took out Iraq we should have entered Iran and took them out at the same time we encouraged Israel to take out Syria.

After that we could leave.

4 So we really are in for a mirror image of the 20th century, when it was liberals who criticized the U.S. government for siding with strongmen in order to fight the global enemy

That's because in the minds of those in charge the global enemy is us.

5 But they rhetorically call for something one step down the ladder each time to oppose while sounding "tough."

That is a profound observation, boss

6 "I think "nothing" is their genuine all-purpose response."

Uh, no.  You forgot the thing one step down from nothing:

surrender

7 If you allow yourself a lucid moment to calmly contemplate the Obama presidency you could actually die of embarrassment.

8 Their purported foreign policy is always one step down from whatever Republicans call for.

What's one step up from 'stopping Iran from getting a nuke"?

9 fucking half the internet is down, and Ace is one of the only sites i can still visit, hmmmmmmm. Something is fishy.

Anyone else not able to hit google.com?

10 Obama Deliberately Omitted "Democracy" From Those Aspirations the US Would SupportThat's because the world-wide government will only be "democratic" in name.

11

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, let's put ace's hypothesis to the test:

One step down from "nothing" would be what?  

Sending Iran 200 meeeeelion dollars with no strings attached.

by crikey, it's a LAW.

12 Tsk, tsk, such cynics! Obama's foreign policy can be summed up in one word - "love". He is the Messiah and he bring "love" to the world and since everyone loves us now, there will be peace, joy and endless prosperity to be had by all! No more of this fighthing business, evil dictators will just fade away into the sunset as the Messiah comes on his white horse to save us all!!!!

13 Anyone else not able to hit google.com?

Just hold your horses, they're upgrading their spy software. 

14 Anyone having trouble with Cell phones? Can't get service today.

15

Don't worry about foreign policy. Barry has got a couple of "experts" on the job.

Nov. 12 (Bloomberg) -- President-elect Barack Obama named former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright and former Republican Representative Jim Leach as his emissaries at the international economic summit in Washington.

Albright and Leach will be available for unofficial meetings with representatives of industrial and emerging countries who will be at the summit being hosted by President George W. Bush on Nov. 14-15.

``There is one president at a time in the United States, so the president-elect has asked Secretary Albright and Congressman Leach, an experienced and bipartisan team, to be available to meet with and listen to our friends and allies on his behalf,'' Obama's senior foreign policy adviser Denis McDonough said in a statement.

Barry likes to say, one president at a time but, does everything he can to start running the show right now.

16 "The game is afoot" with the internet.

17

Anybody else not able to get it up today?

 

18

The Internet, I mean.

 

Shit.

19

Speaking of the Obamessiah, anyone else seen those post-election Obama ads?  I thought they'd wait to start the run for re-election until after the inauguration.

I always fail to underestimate politicians.

20 I think "nothing" is their genuine all-purpose response."

Uh, no.  You forgot the thing one step down from nothing:

surrender

someone, their positions are nothing more than sub-sets of surrender.

Commenting from Calgary, AB, I'm...

21 Yes, the next years will be a mirror image of liberals in the past criticizing the US for supporting local dictators and strong-men.

But that was already happening.

For better or worse, Bush really did push for those old liberal ideals of democracy and (gasp) social justice.   His was a very idealistic take on the world... freedom and those fluffy-feely notions of individual actualization and whatnot... addressing what used to be called "root causes" or some such.

And for six years the "liberals" have been reflexively taking the opposite stand, likely *because* it was opposite.   Stability was the catch word for the realists.   Idealism was now scary and unrealistic.   Now it was pragmatism and throw those poor people yearning to be free under the bus.  How many liberals or progressives have argued these last six years that *of course* we were setting up puppet governments and *of course* we shouldn't allow them to go against our wishes on anything.

I don't think that conservatives should view this shift, this flip-flop with alarm, but to a significant extent what is being *conserved* is classic liberalism.   And that is right and good.   Conservatism has never been about not-changing at all, it's been about adopting new ideas slowly, as they've been tested and proven, instead of dashing after the next shiny thing.   Propping strong-men because they favored us or valuing stability over freedom has been shown to fail.    It just doesn't work.   What *works* is freedom, including freedom to *not* be our bosom-buddy.    Being *friends* is more or less irrelevant if a country is good to it's own people, has freedom, and an active economy.

22

It's not rocket science.

With all due respect, I personally believe that at the end of the day it will be a nightmare.

23 The Iraq war is all but won except for the need to keep out troops there for a deterrent. I am guessing Obama, being beaten over the head with it during the election,  is somewhat aware of this public perception and is now not eager to drop the ball. He has adopted a won war and any failures will rest solely with him.

On a side note, I find myself still wanting to win in Iraq and Afghanistan even though we have a democratic president. Does that mean I am one of the united?

24 "If we call for war, they call for sanctions."

IF WE CALL FOR WAR!!!! Such a tough lil' fatty. Why aren't you supporting our future President? You're coming across as awfully pissy.

Aren't you supposed to be organizing your webring for the bright shiny tomorrow of Jindalvision? All you are doing is working yourself up in to knots over trivia. IS THIS ANY WAY TO LEAD A REVOLUTION!?!? you gots to be organizing man. Let the bitches whine their way towards irrelevance, you got bigger plans.

Seriously, the country is done with you guys and all your horseshit, so stop fighting the ghosts of the past.

I guess it doesn't matter anyway, this shithole will be gone soon, and then what?

25 >>But they rhetorically call for something one step down the ladder each time to oppose while sounding "tough."

They are willing to be tough, even tougher than Repubs, as long as they are sure it won't be acted upon.
Bush wanted: War with Iraq, Multilateral talk with NKorea and sanctions against Iran.
Dems wanted Sanctions on Iraq, unilateral talks with NKorea, and war against Iran (at one time).

The cornerstone of their foreign policy is: Not Bush

26 We call for a troll and they send a retard.

27 Nov. 4th Dow close: 9,625
Nov. 12th Dow close: 8,282
Loss of 13.95%

I know, I know. It's just a coincidence. Still ironic considering how much faith Wall Streeters have in "Teh One."

28 you forgot to add that they will always step it down on notch in reality but step it up one notch in rhetoric.

we want war, they want "tough, effective" sanctions

we want sanctions, they want "tough, effective" diplomaic pressure

we want diplomatic pressure, they want "tough, effective" nothingness.

29

"If we call for diplomatic pressure, they call for nothing."

It goes around in a circle. If we call for nothing, they call for somebody to dooooo something!  I distinctly remember both Gore and Kerry saying we should dooooo something about Saddam.   Then we started on Saddam, and it was what about Iran and N. Korea?  As IF they really wanted us to do anything at all about them either.

It's all a friggin game.

 

30 Really, democracy is bullshit.  Letting people vote for whatever they want is not as important as instituting whatever kind of government will secure fundamental individual rights, none of which involve requiring other people or the government to give you things.  In the case of the Middle East, making sure Jews and women are properly armed would be more important than instituting a democratic government.

Introducing: Neo-neoconservatism,
or:  "Guns. Lots of guns."

31
As far as foreign policies go, it does make for a catchy tune.

I'd like to teach the world to sing
In perfect harmony

Id like to build the world a home
And furnish it with love
Grow apple trees and honey bees and snow-white turtle doves

32 #9 RiteWingFascist & #14 SarahW:

There's something wacky going on with Verizon.

33 We call for a troll and they send a retard.

We live in an age of diminished expectations.  There must be belt tightening all the way around.  If you can't buy quality anymore, you'll have to settle for quantity. 

34 so then drumbeat the call for:

an all out nuclear war with Iran
a "surge-the-surge" strategerey in iraq
a surge-y surge in afghanistan
unilateral talks with north korea
a flat tax
drilling for oil in the next 6 hours in central park, boston commons, martha's vineyard, palm beach, beverly hills and aspen colorado, (as well as coal mining)

there, i just solved all of our problems.

35 I equate the logic of liberals with that of junior high girls hopped up on hormones and emo.

36 WASHINGTON – The Air Force general who runs the Pentagon's missile defense projects said Wednesday that American interests would be "severely hurt" if President-elect Obama decided to halt plans developed by the Bush administration to install missile interceptors in Eastern Europe.

How dare this general tell our Community Organizer in Chief how to defend our country and its allies. Doesn't he know that by gutting our military and letting everyone walk all over us we'll finally know world peace?

37 Actually, I predicted this some time lat last year.  The Democrat plan, starting with Iraq, has been to support a "bi-polar" regional solution.  They want to sell arms to the Saudi's et al and then giving some political power to the Iranians with cover for their development of nuclear energy/weapons as a counter.

They believe that terrorism from the Sunni and Shia sects are supported by these two entities.  They believe if they maneuver both to face off with each other,it will create a tension and force them to focus their proxies at each other, sunni-shia, Saudi/Iranian instead of at the United States.  Further, it will make the Saudi's even more dependent on the United States for protection.  Sure, they will buy more weapons from us (good for economy) and they will be more willing to accede to our oil and energy needs while we work at "alternative energy" and not tap into our oil reserves off shore or in ANWR.  In short, putting us into a better bargaining position.

Iraq will act as the middle man who will also fear both parties going at each other over Iraq's borders so they will be firmly in our pockets. 

Now, look at that the same in Afghanistan and Pakistan.  They are setting up the great Shia/Sunni split between Iran and Pakistan.  Again, creating tension and the onus for each to want to stabilize the area lest it overflows into their nations.

In other words, we're gone and their proxies are going to turn on them unless they do something to get it under control. 

Now, the potential problems with this is manifold.  First, it assumes that allowing Iran to get a nuclear weapon is a matter of time and presents itself only as an either or situation: military action to interdict or allow Iran to obtain a nuclear weapon and work on detente or containment policy.  Of course, for all the wailing about Iraq, you can bet that these folks are not going to look Bush's gift horse in the mouth.  They'll be happy to take up where he left off with a Democratic Iraq and a somewhat weak government they can manipulate. 

Unfortunately, it will give Ahmedinejad some credentials for the next election and shore up the horrid Islamist government for decades to come.  But, the Democrats, as Kaus notes, are opting for stability in the region regardless of who is going to be in charge.

Second, it assumes that Iran is, in fact, a rational actor that is currently faced with multiple internal issues from dissent and from financial difficulties.  They will be looking to strengthen their position considerably.  The Democrats are assuming that the quad pressure of Israel with nukes, Iran with Nukes, Pakistan with Nukes and India with Nukes will act as some sort of Cold War type deterrence amongst all those who are desirous of surviving.  It might even act to solidify the wobbly Pakistani government who will be faced with an enemy on each side.

Obviously, there are those of us who are somewhat concerned about Iran as a rational actor or that Pakistan will stabilize and not fall to the radical Islamist elements.  Maybe they don't even care if that is the fact because then it will change the Islamists from guerrillas with limited assets to lose into a governing body with a country full of assets and everything to lose.  In short, give them what they want and make them have to work for it.  In some regards, you can understand the thought process, but it is a continuation of the idea that all of these groups are either rational actors or will become rational actors once they have something to lose. 

Finally, as a Democrat fellow once explained to me, even if these two still go at it with proxies across the middle east, it won't be any different than it has been to date and the US will simply have to work harder on creating a defense at home to keep terrorists out.  As if we have nothing to physically fear from a bunch of nuclear nut cases.

I think the other thing that concerns people like me is that, with all this nuclear proliferation going on, Obama is still talking about cutting missile defense systems, slowing future combat system development and not replacing aging nuclear weapons.  The idea of going detente with nuclear enemies and then slowly dismantling our own and leaving us defenseless does not sit well at all. 

38 The PRESSSident will set foreign policy, not Obama.   Ditto for most of the rest of what Obama does.   It's why they worked so hard to elect him -- he will let the PRESSSSident take charge.  They known since the beginning he's largely an empty suit who can be easily programmed to make a great speech on most anything they've pre-tested as good for the public and PRESSSSident.

If the PRESSSident wants war, we'll get war,
If the PRESSSident wants something blown up, something will blow up,
If the PRESSSident wants to ignore something, it will get ignored,
If the PRESSSident wants a bailout, it will get a bail out,
If the PRESSSident wanst to shut up it's opponents in talk radio, the Fairness doctrine will be dumped on talk radio.

This isn't rocket science.

39 You forgot, if we call for nothing, they call for giving money and other goodies. If we call for money, they call for more money, with no strings attached.

40 It's morning in Asia and I've had a cup of coffee to start the day off. Why are you all surprised by this? When have Democrats ever supported democracy abroad? Their shtick has been a strongman is better than a democrat. Yawn!

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