1

Steele is great! Smart, and quick!

I see your brother and raise you a brother!

Cocksuckers!

Kemp

2 Steele is for racial preferences.  What else is he a squish on?

3

I support Fred. There are questions about how conservative Michael Steele is

Fred speaks on September 16th 2001

http://tinyurl.com/6hekbf

Fred Thompson's "Soldier"

http://tinyurl.com/5u8wlj

 

 

 

4 Please, not Fred.  He's old.  His campaign this year was terrible.  He reminds everyone with his droll and his folksy manner that the Republican Party is a southern party when we have to focus on expanding our reach.  I'm not sure I'm entirely on board with Michael Steele but I would prefer him over Fred.

Fred was a good actor and a good Senator.  He should call it a day.

5 Does Fred have the "fire in the belly"? (Another phrase that I would love to never hear/see again).

6 Whose wife is hotter? Fred's, Steele's or Newt's?

That should be the deciding factor.

7 chemjeff at November 12, 2008 02:12 PM (wy+AE)

Plus, Fred was all about CFR. That should disqualify him right there. Plus, Fred was only in the race earlier this year to split the Huck vote; so McCain would win the nomination.

8 Fred! is a much better candidate, if only for his hot wife.

Steele's conservative credentials are definitely a bit wishy-washy as William Amos points out.

9 Wow, Allah notes that Steele may be pro-Roe.

I'm a big tent guy, but no one who defends our judicial overlords should be anywhere near the head of the party.

10 "Plus, Fred was only in the race earlier this year to split the Huck vote; so McCain would win the nomination."

Dude, keep your trolling at Hot Air.

11 (not that I wanted Huck to win - I certainly didn't) - but that's what he did. He made sure McCain would get the nomination.

12 "Plus, Fred was only in the race earlier this year to split the Huck vote; so McCain would win the nomination."

Absolute horseshit.

13 Fred needs to back out NOW (and I'm a big Fred fan.)

Fred is not the future.   Steele is a true conservative from a state where being even 1% conservative is a scarlet letter.   He's smart, he's charismatic and he can argue a point like nobody's business.   Fred was less than spectacular in the election debates.

Plus Steele can go after Obama's policies and actions without having the charge of racist thrown at him constantly.  It's sad that we need someone who can do that, but we do. We really do.

14 "Steele is a true conservative from a state where being even 1% conservative is a scarlet letter."

A true conservative who may very well be pro-Roe. Right...

15 "Steele is a true conservative"

Really?

"Plus Steele can go after Obama's policies and actions without having the charge of racist thrown at him constantly."

Oh, bullshit.

You know the "racist" thing?  IT'S OLD.

16 As much as I dislike Mike Huckabee, I think he'd do a good job as RNC chair.  He's a good communicator and serving as chair would keep him out of elected office for awhile where he could do real damage.

17 h2u at November 12, 2008 02:17 PM (TZKUw)

You prefer to believe he ran a half hearted campaign on purpose? His job was to ensure McCain got the nod. Pure and simple Call it trolling if you want; it's undeniable.

18 "Fred is not the future."

No, but Jeri may be...

(Not entirely joking.)

19 Slublog at November 12, 2008 02:20 PM (R8+nJ)

Too much of a nanny stater. The preachy side of conservatism is what got the GOP into this mess in the first place. Plus, Huck isn't a very good fiscal con, either.

20

Michael Steele on the Issues

http://tinyurl.com/684zhu

Expand minority-owned business opportunities. (May 2006)

Support affirmative action and its improvements. (Oct 2006)

Affirmative action programs still necessary to close divides. (Aug 2006) Marriage is a covenant between a man, a woman and God only. (May 2006) We're still discovering affirmative action in corporations. (Apr 2006) Led commitment to $70M in grants to minority-owned business. (Apr 2006) Affirms marriage is between one man and one woman. (Jan 2006) Move struggle to right to own the diner, not just sit in it. (Oct 2005) Oppose the No Child Left Behind Act. (Oct 2006) Standardized tests keep teachers from educating students. (Aug 2006) Reinstate college-level grant and loan programs. (Aug 2006) Don't trap poor kids in failing schools. (Oct 2005) Revitalize the Chesapeake; focus on open space preservation. (May 2006)

21 My two cents is for Steele....articulate, black, from a blue state.....Fred has seen better days, give him a fund-raising role....

Off topic, but does anyone know how the count in Alaska is going, was supposed to re-start today....

22 Slu, are you crazy?  The guy's a liberal... and a liberal who gets us tarred with the worst socon stereotypes.

We can't afford to have another demagogue who doesn't understand economics talking for our party.

23 Are there no other prominent Republicans out there who want the job? The choice we have is Steele, Fred or Newt?

24 someone at November 12, 2008 02:21 PM (zHoxL)

Nope. The anti-GOP talking points are already too obvious. Jeri. Sarah.

They'd call it the bimbo party. Wrongly; but that'd be the talking point.

25 Newt was on Hannity's radio program yesterday and flat out said he wasn't interested in being the RNC chairperson.

He did a bit of a dance, but he pretty much admitted that he's already setting up an exploratory committee to test the waters for a 2012 run for POTUS.

I hope Ace is rested up because this time around he's got a four-year election season on his hands.

26 You guys are so fucked I don't think it matters one tiny bit who the fuck heads your time in the wilderness. "Visibility"? he's 50? You mean black. Black ass black black black.

Identity politics? You guys?

Any I'm still fucking high from last week and I am even more high on the fact that maybe for a decade or two I won't have to worry about you idiots.

I said Fred was a fraud, Palin was a bomb and that anything you dicks like was bound to be shitty-I was right.

I also said this blog would not exist in a year. I'm standing by that shit too.

Glad you 9/11 fetishists are finally disappearing.

27 Fred's wife is the reason he ran a lackluster campaign.  She wanted it more than he did.

And that's coming from someone who worked inside the campaign.

Let him do his thing...and let Steele be the future of the party.

28 The former chairman of GOPAC isn't conservative enough for some? Really?

Wow, ok.

BTW- as for the Roe thing...read the quote. He was dancing like crazy to avoid that question (remember he was running in Maryland for God's sake). He was fine until the last line.

I'd like to see him clarify that but that one quote in the heat of campaign in a very liberal state isn't going to kill him for me.

29 "You prefer to believe he ran a half hearted campaign on purpose? His job was to ensure McCain got the nod. Pure and simple"

This is unmitigated horseshit. He ran a bad campaign because he ran a bad campaign, you have 0 evidence Thompson ran for President to ensure McCain won. Get a grip on reality, there are better conspiracy theories to hang you hat on that that one.

30 As I said, take your trolling back to Hot Air.

31 Stupid handle typo.

32 Sorry frito (#26), we are not like the cowardly liberals, we don't cut and run, so we ain't going nowhere. Get used to it.

33

Practically speaking, the chairman's main job isn't to argue points or stand for a particular platform - it is to raise lots and lots of money.  The vast majority of that money comes from the base of the party.  Whoever becomes chairman has to energetic and exciting to the base.  I don't think Steele fits that bill; and for different reasons, I don't think Thompson does either (although I am in almost complete agreement with him philosophically and would have preferred him as the nominee).  

What high-profile person is wildly popular with the base, and known outside of that base widely enough to create genuine interest?  Palin?

34 "Visibility"? he's 50? You mean black. Black ass black black black.

This from the guy who voted for the Black ass black black black.candidate.

Yawn.

Where's the troll hammer?

35 Drew, it's not JUST that quote, it's that plus preferences plus...  Basically, there's no evidence he has an actual vision for conservatism.  We know Fred does.

Look, I like his youth, but turning the keys over to a guy because he's telegenic and black was a mistake for America, and will be a mistake for us.

36 What ever happened to Pierre Call me Pete DuPont?  I liked that guy.  He was smart, articulate, and the crease in his pants always when straight over the knee.  A class act all the way, for a yankee.

37 Huck does represent a plethora of bad policies, but he does do the 'I feel your pain' thing that voters like quite well and he's a funny guy who was good on the stump.  The RNC chair doesn't set official policy - it's mainly a PR job.  And Huck does good PR.

38 Maybe Ace will support Hank Paulson for RNC chair, out of gratitude for saving his panic-stricken ass from the great meltdown of 2008.

39 jason at November 12, 2008 02:26 PM (FSSsn)

http://tinyurl.com/25823v

read this.
---------------

Thompson played to the voters as a staunch conservative and a son of the South. While he did draw some evangelical voters from one-time Baptist preacher and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, it wasn't enough to pull him into contention for the nomination.

He finished with 16 percent of the vote. Sen. John McCain won Saturday's contest with 33 percent, followed by Huckabee with 30 percent.

----------------

As I said. Obvious.

40 "I said Fred was a fraud, Palin was a bomb and that anything you dicks like was bound to be shitty-I was right.

I also said this blog would not exist in a year. I'm standing by that shit too."

I, I, I and I. Thank God it's not about you, asshole.....if your intelligence was a big as your ego you might even pass an IQ test.

41 I'm going Michael Steele..

if only for the fresh blood..

help with the fund raising and hopefully get organized on the ground level..

42 "This is unmitigated horseshit. He ran a bad campaign because he ran a bad campaign, you have 0 evidence Thompson ran for President to ensure McCain won. Get a grip on reality, there are better conspiracy theories to hang you hat on that that one. "

Exactly. lorien1973, quit the bullshit trolling. Fred! was treated quite poorly by the MSM punditry -- that bullshit Fire In The Belly meme -- and as a result he was never able to get traction in the early primaries.

There's one reason McCain won the GOP nomination: the MSM conspired to get the easiest target in place to give Obama a smooth coronation.

43
Plus Steele can go after Obama's policies and actions without having the charge of racist thrown at him constantly.

Dude, he got Oreos thrown at him when he ran for the Senate.  He's going to be called a racist regardless of his skin colour.

44 Cool it, Christoph.

45 "Posted by: frito at November 12, 2008 02:25 PM (c7rNU)"

You're an idiot.

46 Geez, you guys STILL haven't banned the Faux-Christian Canadian Concern Troll?

47 "What ever happened to Pierre Call me Pete DuPont?  I liked that guy."

So did I.  Obviously he was never going to get anywhere nationally though.

48 Michael Steele likes to call people, like me, who want adequate border security xenophobes.

Fuck him

49 Steele looks like the best choice out there - the RNC Chair has to be a good organizer, fund-raiser and party-builder - he does not have to have a perfect conservative score.  Unless Obama does something crazy, I doubt that abortion will be a big deal in '12 - it will still be the economy and we will need a candidate who is not an economic illeterate (as was McCain by his own admission - and Huck is worse, he's practically a socialist).   We will also need a party broad enough to appeal to all those Reagan/Security voters who voted Bush in 04 and Obama in 08.

50 Dude, he got Oreos thrown at him when he ran for the Senate.  He's going to be called a racist regardless of his skin colour.

Yup.  But since that charge carries a lot less weight these days (did you know we elected a black dude?) we can just sit back and watch the left melt into hypocritical irrelevance.

Either that or it's objectively true that Obama is not "post-racial." 

51 "As I said. Obvious."

What crap...you added 2 + 2 and came up with 5......that's like saying Giuliani ran for President to give Huckabee the nomination because he and McCain might have both appealed to some voters.  

52 If the economy will be the biggest issue out there, why not Romney for RNC chair?

53 Michael Steele is a liberal?

Dude, let me clue you in, Obama is a liberal....

54 Shit, why not Chris Shays?

Lincoln Chaffee?

Hey, Liddy Dole is not busy, let's get her!

55

Look, I like his youth, but turning the keys over to a guy because he's telegenic and black was a mistake for America, and will be a mistake for us.

What he said.

56 "Unless Obama does something crazy, I doubt that abortion will be a big deal in '12"

Roe isn't about abortion.  It's about whether we're citizens or serfs.

I don't want anyone who thinks we're serfs.

57 Posted by: someone at November 12, 2008 02:28 PM (zHoxL)

It depends upon your conception of the job. Most of what I know about Steele comes from watching him on FNC and he's been a more than able spokesman for conservative positions.

We're not going to get someone who is 100% in agreement with 'us', mostly because there's no such agreement.

To me he does a really good job of articulating basic conservatism and his experience with GOPAC will help with developing a roster of strong candidates over the next few years.

58 "Michael Steele is a liberal?"

Uh, no one said that.  I said Huck is a liberal.  OK, a soft-on-crime antiwar socialist.

Steele is -- or has repeatedly talked like -- a squish.

59
Oliver North?

60 I'm tanned, rested and ready!

61
The Rock?

Can you smell-lalalalalalalalalalalalalalaaaaaaa what the GOP is cookin'?

62 Glad you 9/11 fetishists are finally disappearing.

Posted by: frito at November 12, 2008 02:25 PM (c7rNU)

Ban this penal ringworm.

63 If the economy will be the biggest issue out there, why not Romney for RNC chair?

Posted by: Slublog at November 12, 2008 02:34 PM (R8+nJ)

 

I dont think Romney wants to be in politics anymore. BTW he and Fred are on that cruise together so will see.

64

The anti-GOP talking points are already too obvious. Jeri. Sarah.

It's the RNC chair, not the next Presidential nominee. The current occupant is Duncan. Any of the people being talked about would be an upgrade.

 

65 Hmmmmm.

"Plus, Fred was only in the race earlier this year to split the Huck vote; so McCain would win the nomination."

Bingo!

No Fred now.  No Fred tomorrow.  No Fred forever!

66

As a Fredhead I must agree that Steele is the way to go.  I donated to his campaign when he was running in MD and there is no way a Republican can win MD.  I had hoped he would have been in place two years ago BUT the idiots in charge put another idiot in charge.

GO STEELE GO!

67 jason at November 12, 2008 02:33 PM (FSSsn)

Look at the SC polls for the primary. Look where Fred gets his support (Fred's rise is nearly identical to Huck's drop, allowing McCain to win). McCain needed that victory. Rasmussen still has them up. Don't wanna believe Fred was a McCain shill. Fine, don't. But he was. Doesn't bug me either way.

Slublog actually makes some good points for Huck, but I hate Huck. It's either Newt or Steele, I guess. I'm not sure either would do a great job at it.

68

Dude, let me clue you in, Obama is a liberal....

No, John McCain is a liberal. Obama is a leftist.

 

69 Ace-

Assemblyman Chuck DeVore is announcing his run for U.S. Senate in 2010 against Boxer. He's having an online press conference at 1pm I believe.

Give the guy a plug:

http://tinyurl.com/63hcb2
He plans to use the Internet to build a nationwide base of financial supporters, including many able only to give small amounts, a technique Obama showed can be highly successful.

"I'm going to shamelessly copy the mechanics of it," said Devore, who was elected to the state Legislature four years ago to represent a large area of Orange County. "If it works for him, it makes sense to see if it works for me."

70 Seriously...

John Sununu or Rick Santorum

71 Mitt was the cause of the McCain win in South Carolina not Fred.

72 Sorry frito (#26), we are not like the cowardly liberals, we don't cut and run

That shit is so Bush. All you sheep had was your clinging to slogans and propaganda. What are you going to do as a fractured minority? Your Lord of Flies circular firing squad is going to finish you off an frankly I'm psyched. Wtf are you going to do when you have no more center to tell you what to say-MSM, stuck on stupid, cut and run, bds, blah blah blah. that shit is over for good and you should realize it dummy.

This from the guy who voted for the Black ass black black black.candidate.

Not because he was black though you dumbass.

Exactly. lorien1973, quit the bullshit trolling. Fred! was treated quite poorly by the MSM punditry

hahah the MSM did it! Waaaah we had the Presidency both houses of congress the Supreme Court, all talk radio and the leading cable news network and still the NYT destroyed us! That old toad sucked it from the begining. You pusses need a new whine.

73 "I'm going to shamelessly copy the mechanics of it," said Devore, who was elected to the state Legislature four years ago to represent a large area of Orange County. "If it works for him, it makes sense to see if it works for me."

It works as long as he remembers to turn the AVS system off.

74 Not because he was black though you dumbass.

No Dude, that's EXACTLY why you voted for him.  I mean, if you can come up with illogical batshit sentences then - according to the rules of logic they can be refuted by equally stupid shit.

See how that works?

75 That shit is so Bush. All you sheep had was your clinging to slogans and propaganda.

You mean like "Hope" and "Change You Can Believe In"?

You mean like that?

What a frickin' tool.

76

All of you “Fred haters” posting on here about the “fire in the belly” BS are back to drinking the media Kool-Aid again. That entire meme was a media construct designed to eliminate the ONLY  conservative candidate with a chance.

 

And Huck-a-fuck was in the race to block Romney. He was and is a damn liberal who needs to be booted from the party with the rest of the liberal RINOs.

 

I like Fred because he was cheated out of the nomination by idiot Republican primary rules and maybe he would be more amenable to changing those rules so we will never get a RINO liberal candidate again.

77 firto and christoph on the same thread. It's almost enough to make me regret posting it.

78 Not because he was black though you dumbass.

No?  So it was a mancrush then?  Were you ever able to come up with an Obama accomplishment?

79 I like Rudy more than Steele.

80 All of you “Fred haters” posting on here about the “fire in the belly” BS are back to drinking the media Kool-Aid again.

I hate to disagree with you but the guy I know who told me the real reason Fred wasn't fired up was actually pretty high up in his campaign.

C'mon, if Jeri Thompson was your wife and she wanted you to run for President would you look in those baby blues and say no?

81 Did frito just escape from some high security institution? His postings/rantings are completely illogical.

82 Ugh. Frito's posts make my dick hurt.

83

A co Chair for the GOP ? From  The Hill

Some GOP activists suggested that Maria Cino, who headed the successful 2008 Republican National Convention, could be named RNC co-chairwoman along with Steele to do the real heavy lifting the job entails. She would also do well as a balance candidate to someone like former Sen. Fred Thompson (Tenn.), who is known more for his star power than his willingness to roll up his sleeves and spend his time crisscrossing the country fundraising and developing innovative grassroots solutions.

84 His postings/rantings are completely illogical.

IC, you say this as if it were something new.

85

After Powell's defection, I don't trust black people.

 

86 Santorum would be a good pick. I'd also suggest Dick Armey.

87 Without reading any of the other comments here, I've got to say that if Gingrich is indeed going to throw his support behind Steele, then he's the obvious choice for RNC Chairman. 

It's not about the blackness.  If the only qualification Michael Steele had to his name was his race, I would frankly be horrified.  But I've met the man (like me, he's a Johns Hopkins alum and visited campus during Ehrlich's miracle run for Governor back in 2002), taken his measure from public appearances and written statements, and I can confidently say that this is a guy who I would love to have representing the party over the next few years even if he was the honkiest cracker from backwoods Mississippi that ever sucked on a hayseed, or Mormoniest Mormon to ever emerge from the rural depths of Utah.  He's eloquent, personable, thoughtful, and puts our best face forward.  That he hails from a blue state (MD) and can also provide an ironic contrast to Obama as a black conservative is mere gravy. 

The real fillip here would be if Steele and Gingrich really do work together as a strategy team to map out the road ahead for the GOP.  I can see the potential for real alchemy between the two: both are idea men, both are conservatives, and Steele is (let's be honest) much better at the PR face of the equation.

We're gonna need all the help we can get over the next four years.  A Steele-led RNC, with Newt working in the background as part of the braintrust, is the best move we can make.  Make it so.

88

Please NO ONE mention the "Huck".  A REAL huckster, preacher, bull shit artist and SOCIALIST.

The Huck is our worst nightmare.  Redneck preacher who hates smoking and drinking and killing Hobo's

What are you people thinking about?

Steele would put a new face on the party, and we get immunity from "you be a racist, bullshit".

Like I said, see your brother, raise you a brother.

Kemp

89 We're gonna need all the help we can get over the next four years.  A Steele-led RNC, with Newt working in the background as part of the braintrust, is the best move we can make.  Make it so.

Amen

90 "We're gonna need all the help we can get over the next four years. A Steele-led RNC, with Newt working in the background as part of the braintrust, is the best move we can make. Make it so."

Nonsense. Steele is squishy on conservatism. Newt, not so much, but Steele ain't got my back. Fred! is the way to go.

91

The preachy side of conservatism is what got the GOP into this mess in the first place.

Wrong, it was the "spend money like a drunk sailor on shore leave" policies that got th GOP into this mess.

92 Michael Steele on Gun Control

Q: Should people have access to buy assault weapons?

A: Society should draw lines. What do you need an assault weapon for, if you're going hunting? That's overkill. But I don't think that means you go to a total ban for those who want to use gun for skeet shooting or hunting or things like that But what's the point of passing gun laws if we're not going to enforce them? If you want to talk about gun control, that's where you need to start. We've got 300 gun laws on the books right now. At the end of the day, it's about how we enforce the law.

He doesn't want a total ban. What kind of ban does he want. Trust me as a Canadian, this is the road to hell!

93 huerfano at November 12, 2008 02:55 PM (knHvu)

It's my belief that they are the same thing. Social cons love government programs to fix the problems in society. If they didn't, they'd be libertarians.

94 FYI: for people accusing Steele of being pro-abortion, let me "put you some fucking information here," to quote Paul Anka: he was wiggling around during the MD gubernatorial race because the realities of running as a Republican in Maryland required it.  Steele is a devout Catholic, and is most certainly personally pro-life.

If he chooses to qualify that by saying that, while pro-life, he belives it to be a matter best left to the states to decide, then honestly as a legal federalist I'm perfectly okay with that.

95 Actually Drew, Saul Anuzis would be a great, great choice.

Incredibly energetic, totally plugged in to the internet and blogs, understands the ins and outs on the ground, and very conservative.

He may well be the brilliant young unknown some have called for.  You can't dismiss him like that.

96 The preachy side of conservatism is what got the GOP into this mess in the first place.

Wrong, it was the "spend money like a drunk sailor on shore leave" policies that got th GOP into this mess.


LOVE IT! Rinse. Repeat. Until all you narrow minded fuckers are down the drain.

It was neither, but being incompetent, you can't see that it was incompetence. You can dumb down the message for the people but you can;t dumb down the epole who have to do the work after they get elected. Plain and simple hiring people from illegitimate christian schools and purging thinkers is what destroyed you dumbasses. Cronyism and fresh grads from SMU killed your party. Now, it seems worth it, the past 8 years.

97 Posted by: frito at November 12, 2008 03:01 PM (oOYYX)

Is that even fucking English?

98 "Steele is a devout Catholic, and is most certainly personally pro-life."

Then don't be a pussy. SAY THAT. Fucking clown shoes. Courage is an asset, not a liability.

"LOVE IT! Rinse. Repeat. Until all you narrow minded fuckers are down the drain."

Frito, lay off the drugs.

99 What are you Fredheads talking about? The RNC chair isn't a figurehead. The job is to organize party action and raise money. What the heck has Fred ever organized. God love the guy but come on...you can't just nominate him for any and every position because he's Teh Awesome.

I'm not sure about Steele either. I'd prefer Newt since he's a succesfull organizer and knows how to communicate conservative principles. But seriously. Seriously.

100

Steele?

Anti-gun, meh.

Open borders, meh.

Pro Affirmative action, meh.

More squish is not what we need right now.

101 Until all you narrow minded fuckers are down the drain.

This from the tool who thinks there is no such thing as a logical argument on the other side of the political aisle.  Who is narrow-minded again?

You got anything intelligent to say or are you just stuck in the anal phase of development?

102 Someone is named Scooter Clippard?

103 Wait, I already know the answer.

104

Fred's "lack of fire" was a party-hack and media narrative.  He simply wanted to do it his way, and he got a harsh lesson in party politics.  You have to sew up endorsements and curry favor with local and state GOP people in order to succeed in their primaries.  He tried to go around them (it was too late -- they were all committed anyway), so they made up this "he doesn't want it bad enough" narrative.  The press, eager to shut out a Reagan heir and to push a weak candidate (McCain), dutifully spread the word.

It's a damn shame conservatives didn't see this smear job for what it was. Fred's record and policy statements made him the one candidate in the bunch who didn't have some fatal exception that kept 4/5 of the party from embracing him.

Whether he's the right guy to head the party, I don't know. He is an excellent candidate and is obviously positioning himself for 2012, anyway.

105 Fuckin' A though. Our bench is just not very deep is it?

106 "If they didn't, they'd be libertarians."

Take your trolling back to Hot Air.  No one has time for you here.

"If he chooses to qualify that by saying that, while pro-life, he belives it to be a matter best left to the states to decide, then honestly as a legal federalist I'm perfectly okay with that."

He *defended Roe*.  If you're OK with that, you aren't any sort of federalist.

107 Fred!

Steele is pretty weak when confronting Democrat weenies.

108 You can't dismiss him like that.

Actually, I just did but that's neither here nor there.

Does he want to run for Governor of Michigan or something? Seriously, do we want to turn the national party over to a guy with zero national exposure and less than stellar results in his own state?

He maybe a great guy and maybe in some sort of two headed scheme if he's a great nuts and bolts guy.  I think we need a spokesman and Steele has done a good job with that, plus his work at GOPAC will help with strategic planning, issue identification, candidate recruitment, etc.

109

Chairman of the RNC is a thankless job, especially now. Really, who the hell is Mike Duncan, current Chair? How did he get the gig? This is one of those positions where, unless you really want it with the intent to work hard to improve the job's standing, it basically turns into one of the jobs where when they ask for volunteers, nobody raises their hand.

Maybe that's part of the problem. I don't recall seeing Duncan all over the news shows or hearing him on radio for the last few years. Maybe we need somebody with a higher profile. But through all these posts, I'm not sensing that there's a bunch of republicans beating down the door to get the job.

110

To me he does a really good job of articulating basic conservatism and his experience with GOPAC will help with developing a roster of strong candidates over the next few years.

DrewM. at November 12, 2008 02:36 PM

Drew, Steele's GOPAC stuff was not so hot, really.

Fred's fundraiser and organizational skills are highly underestimated.

Stole this from a commenter over at HA.

Here is a bit from the article.

In terms of candidates, it looks like GoPAC only gave $29,250 to candidates the entire year, $5000 of which went to Steele’s own campaign in Maryland.

By comparison, Fred Thompson’s PAC gave $41,900 to candidates and PACs in the first half of the month of October alone.

If Steele wants to be RNC chairman, he needs to explain this poor performance at GOPAC.

American Spectator link.
http://tinyurl.com/6zwsvw

111 "To me he does a really good job of articulating basic conservatism and his experience with GOPAC will help with developing a roster of strong candidates over the next few years."

OK, the latter point is a good one for Steele.  He may have a better sense of things on the ground.  However, if the rumor is that they'll do a two-person setup anyway, this won't necessarily be as important.

I won't be crushed if Steele gets it.  I do think you guys may be too quick on copying the "put a black guy forward" model when Barry's imminent failure may make it smart to brand ourselves as far from the Dems as possible.

Also, I think Anuzis deserves a serious, serious look.  He's exactly the conservative young insurgent insider we need.

"Someone is named Scooter Clippard?"

Heh heh.

(No.)

112

We need a thug, a hardass, a guy who can raise money and break heads. We need Tom "The Hammer" DeLay, if he's not in jail.

Admit it, it would send a signal that the gloves were off and we were playing for keeps. Liberal heads would explode.

 

But we're pussies and it'll never happen. sigh

113 Fuckin' A though. Our bench is just not very deep is it?

Do we have anybody else available for party leadership positions other than blue-state squish half-cons? If that's all we have left, we're pretty much fucked.

114

 "It's time for a change. Fred Thompson would be the absolute best person to articulate that message for the party."

Great.  So that f-ing word "change" is now going to be the buzzword for every political creep in the world.  You want "change"?  How about government being a part-time gig?  How about Congress meeting 4 times a year a week at a time and that's it.  Telecommute you punks.  That's change I can get behind.

115 Paulie, the position is marginal now because of the way Bush ran the party.  It was more important before, with folks like Haley Barbour ('93-97) doing good work.

116 I dont think Romney wants to be in politics anymore. BTW he and Fred are on that cruise together so will see.

Gosh, that must be a boat of unhappy people.  Mitt:  resist the alcohol!

117 someone at November 12, 2008 03:19 PM

But since we don't have anyone in the White House this time around, this position will be more like it was before IMHO.

118

I n my SN is the link

Michael Steele named GOPAC chairman posted at 2:44 pm on January 25, 2007

“I intend to take GOPAC back to the message and mission that made it great. We will concentrate GOPAC’s efforts on recruiting, training, and equipping candidates across the country to establish and maintain a republican majority.” Michael Steele said.

Steele went on to say, “The time is now for GOPAC to step up and play a pivotal role in the upcoming elections across the country. The strategies I implement will make this a reality and I look forward to the challenge.”

119 "But since we don't have anyone in the White House this time around, this position will be more like it was before"

Yes, that's why this is important.  We'll see how it shakes out.  The Newt angle has me worrying that if Steele gets it, he'll have a deal to favor what would be a disasterous, disasterous 2012 run by Gingrich.

120 Agree.

121 I vote for making lefty heads explode with Delay.

On Steele - not chair... but... V.P. material? Or are we so "post-racial" now that he'd be seen as a token 'response' to Obama?

122 After listening to Fred Thompson at the RNC, if he can bring that passion with him to the chair, I might be in favor of him. We need some Lee Atwater in the chair as well.

123 I do think you guys may be too quick on copying the "put a black guy forward" model when Barry's imminent failure may make it smart to brand ourselves as far from the Dems as possible.

someone,

The only problem is, that's not my motivation. I've actually taken people to task here who suggested Steele for VP or even President. Considering he's only been a Lt. Governor, that kind of talk is totally about race.


Posted by: A. Weasel at November 12, 2008 03:16 PM (bqcfE)

I didn't think GOPAC's goal was to hand out money to candidates but to serve more as a think tank and training tool. I could be wrong but that's my understanding of it.

As for the Spectator link, wasn't Hillyer a big Thompson supporter?

124

I like Steele. He communicates the message very well. I have a question. Wouldn't Newt be better as the RNC leader (with Jeri in a prominent role as like Vice Chair or soemthing) and Steele/Palin as the 2012 ticket? If Steele will support strict Constitutionalist SC Judges, and will support our rights to bear arms (even the automatic that he at one time thought the avg person didn't need), if he is up for these things we need him front and center. Not bc of his race. But because of his ability to communicate in a way that people respect and appreciate. We need people that will get our message listened to. He thinks on his feet, is quick, smart and tough. He is not teleprompter dependant. He's not prone to gaffes. He's been done dirty by the left and lived to tell about it, so he will be more ready the next time. Maybe he could do the RNC until 2010, then start on the 2012 ticket, and we could turn the RNC over to Jeri Thompson. She's another tough, smart person that can communicate the message without putting people to sleep or chanigng the channel.

125

GOPAC's job is to recruit candidates to run for office. It seeks out possible GOPers who want to run for office and backs them in the primaries.

That said Michael Steele was part of the problem at the RNC.

126 flooflyparisparamus at November 12, 2008 03:22 PM

How cool would it be to have Fred & Mitt come back with a co-chair agreement for the RNC, Fred as ideological/principals spokesman and Mitt as CEO/CFO.


_{/dreaming off}

127 UPDATE: The Chairman of the Michigan Republican Party has announced his candidacy. I'm sure he's a fine fellow and all but um, no thanks.

He was one of the first announced, and "um," why not?

128 William Amos at November 12, 2008 03:33 PM

If that's the case, then Steele did not perform well at GOPAC.

DrewM. at November 12, 2008 03:30 PM

Yea, I think you're right about Hillyer, but the numbers still don't lie.

129

two words

 

RON PAUL! 

130

Real conservatives believe in self-reliance, not throwing money at a problem.  That's why conservatives have never been able to compete with Dems in the vote buying game.  Social conservatives are some strange hybrid creature I've never seen but only heard of.

131 Thompson is a geezer of the highest order. He magnifies what was wrong with Newt (being an old, white, male) without having Newt's remarkable achievements.

132

Jeri "hot as shit" Thompson.  Man I love a woman who can fight as well as she can f*ck.

Case closed.

133

Chairman of the RNC is a thankless job, especially now. Really, who the hell is Mike Duncan, current Chair? How did he get the gig? This is one of those positions where, unless you really want it with the intent to work hard to improve the job's standing, it basically turns into one of the jobs where when they ask for volunteers, nobody raises their hand.

Maybe that's part of the problem. I don't recall seeing Duncan all over the news shows or hearing him on radio for the last few years. Maybe we need somebody with a higher profile. But through all these posts, I'm not sensing that there's a bunch of republicans beating down the door to get the job.

Mike Duncan has been general counsel of the RNC for several years and a RNC committeeman from Kentucky for a long time.  He helped Mitch McConnell make Kentucky into one of the most reliably Red states there is.  He is also a small town banker from Inez, Kentucky and personally really understands small towns and middle class America. 

Duncan was named RNC chairman after Bush's choice of Mel Martinez proved to be a disaster.  Duncan raised record amounts of money this year despite the terrible environment for Republicans.   He opened more field offices than ever before in a GOP campaign and spent more money on GOTV than ever before.  It isn't his fault that we got swamped by $600 million in illegal money spent by Obama.

My big problem with Duncan and the past several RNC chairs is they have done nothing about the presidential nomination rules, which need a major overhaul now.  Republicans should not be starting with Iowa and New Hampshire (how about Kansas for a first primary?), and the primaries should be closed. 

134 I do think you guys may be too quick on copying the "put a black guy forward" model when Barry's imminent failure may make it smart to brand ourselves as far from the Dems as possible.

That's not the reason.  Tokenism is Dem shtick - not us.  It's because Steele is a great communicator and let's face it, it's a skill we need.  With Newt right in there next to him, I'm not worried he's going to go squish.

135 I think in the future we'll have a lot more people like Pawlenty, Palin, and Jindal in office.  Four years gives all of them time to prepare for the national scene.  They need to stick to public office rather than mucking about in party politics though.

It's also time to stop riding Reagan's coattails.  He was effective and articulate, but he was president 20 years ago.  Most Americans barely think about what happened 20 days ago.

Reagan's ideas are obviously still valid, but the GOP needs to repackage them and sell them to modern voters.  And like I mentioned, we need to reorganize the party at the precinct level.

We need an RNC chairman who can shmooze the Beltway Country-Club, while selling the voters on a platform they can believe in (a platform that doesn't appear to have been borrowed from a playbook written nearly 30 years back).

136 Fuck the Huck. No way, that dude is what is wrong with our party. Fred is too old and grizzly.

Steele?  I like the porn name.

If Huck gets the nod I will seriously question if the R leadership learned nothing this last go around.

Why not Romney?

137 Steele?  I like the porn name.

Yeah, but it would be better if his first name was Richard.

138 GOPAC's mission is training. How to win, where to get $, how to run a good campaign.

139 "It's because Steele is a great communicator and let's face it, it's a skill we need."

Better than Fred?  C'mon.

(Maybe it's because I don't watch Fox.)

As for Newt, didn't we already have a big thread on him?  He already went squish on one of THE big issues before us:  global "warming".  When Barry's plan for "fixing" the "problem" by bankrupting the economy comes out, we're going to have to be ready.

140 Romney would be good... if he's not running next time, which I'm sure he is.

141

I like the position for Steele. He'll never win a statewide election in Maryland, so unless he moves, this is the best job available to him.

As for the chairman of the MI Republican party - how about focusing on your own state, where 2 house seats just flipped and you weren't even close to competative in the Senate, before you talk about the country. MI's got enough problems as it is, lets try fixing them!

142

Exactly. lorien1973, quit the bullshit trolling. Fred! was treated quite poorly by the MSM punditry -- that bullshit Fire In The Belly meme -- and as a result he was never able to get traction in the early primaries.

AMEN!  I was a big Fred supporter in the primaries.  I did some campaign calling for him and had the very distinct pleasure of meeting him & seeing him on the stump twice in South Carolina.  It always pissed me off that the media ignored him.  He has a strong conservative message, and is a very intelligent man.  Point blank, he was ignored & labeled with 'no fire...'  Hogwash.  Between the press trying its best to quash him, and the open primaries in SC, that's what did him in.  He dropped out after SC.  I can't say much for Michael Steele because I honestly don't know much about him.  But I have read some concerns by others about just how conservative he is.  I don't want an RNC chairman just because he's black.  IMO, this identity politics is bullshit.  I want a strong conservative. 

143 By the way, for what it's worth, Steele was -- with Christie Whitman and John Danforth! -- one of the founders of the "Republican Leadership Council".

144 Better than Fred?  C'mon.

Different that teh Fred.  Fred is a little too laconic for the wider electorate. 

When Barry's plan for "fixing" the "problem" by bankrupting the economy comes out, we're going to have to be ready.

That's not going to be a concern.  If Newt was advising Steele I think the two of them have a couple spare brains cells between them and can come up with a solution.

NEWT: Obama blew up the economy on the energy issue.

STEELE:  Right, let's not do that.

I think they could figure that out.  Since about 97% of Obama's ideas are unachievable (and will soon be proven so)  it should be pretty easy for Steele to say, "Note to self, do the opposite of Obama."

I really think you guys are looking for "the perfect" and there ain't no such thing.

145 Best enunciatiors of conservative ideology:
Newt
Teh Fred
Romney
Guliani
The Huck./McMain

I left out Ron Paul as I want this list to be comprised of those whom are not certifiably insane.


We need someone who can explain the nexus between, politics, economics, business, management and government.
Someone who can explain why spreading the wealth is bad.
Someone who can explain Milton Friedman and Russell Kirk.

I think Fred and Newt are the only two that I know of that can do this.

146

Am I getting this? Some of you won't go along with Steele in the thankless post of frikkin' RNC Chair because he's too squishy?

You all need to get a grip. We don't need ideological purity in that position.

Save your powder.

147 Tom "The Hammer" DeLay, if he's not in jail.

DeLay hasn't even had his trial yet.   I think I have a problem with indictments that hang around for years like this.

148 Steele I did not include as I have not heard him speak much.

149 Best enunciatiors of conservative ideology:
Newt
Teh Fred
Romney
Guliani
The Huck./McMain

Now I know you must be joking. McCain has never articulated conservative ideology in a way that made anyone believe he knew what he was talking about. He was going through the motions when he needed to, tossing out Republican shibboleths without any indication that he knew what they meant, and then being a prototypical RINO when he had any real decisions to make.

Huck... is a demagogue and a religious Democrat. He's a hardcore social con, but as to articulating ideology he's even weak on that point. His entire appeal is that folksy "awe shucks" populism.

150

Posted by: someone at November 12, 2008 03:19 PM (zHoxL)

You're right - now Haley Barbour was a real Chair: Active, on the air all over the place while saying the right things, etc. Followed it up after Katrina just to prove that he gets shit done.

Ahhhh, the good old days.....

151

Steele better than Newt, but fuck it, I'll work cheaper than either of them.

And no, Fred! had better not be positioning himself for 2012. I want him retired in 2012. I gave that SOB fifty bucks the week before he quit and I'm still bitter. Another old white dude is not who we need to keep Obamalamadingdong's four years from turning into eight.

 

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153 #145,
We need someone who can also explain Hayek.  That leaves Huck and McCain right out.

154 lol wut, your mom farts lolcatz

155 Q: Should people have access to buy assault weapons?

A: Society should draw lines. What do you need an assault weapon for, if you're going hunting? That's overkill. But I don't think that means you go to a total ban for those who want to use gun for skeet shooting or hunting or things like that But what's the point of passing gun laws if we're not going to enforce them? If you want to talk about gun control, that's where you need to start. We've got 300 gun laws on the books right now. At the end of the day, it's about how we enforce the law.

OK, so from this answer it sounds like Steele thinks that gun ownership is about hunting and that's it. I wonder if there are other issues important to conservatives he's completely clueless about?

156 We need someone who can also explain Hayek.  That leaves Huck and McCain right out.

Fuck you. I love Selma Hayek. I'd amnesty her ass all night long, if you know what I mean.

157 I appreciated Glenn Beck finally just coming out and saying it today ... the 2nd amendment has nothing to do with hunting and everything to do with allowing the citizens to protect themselves from a government become tyrant. Refreshing.

158 Selma Hayek?  Sold!

God damn but that lady is stacked, nice face too.

Huckabee should be kicked to the fucking curb, intellectually corrupt bastard that he is.

159

Posted by: rockmom at November 12, 2008 03:45 PM (iZqUY)

rockmom, look - Duncan raised money & opened field offices. Great. Kudos to him. He kept KY red. Delightful. General Counsel to the RNC. Check. Mel Martinez - disaster. Double check. But we need somebody right now that can be what Howard Dean *shudder* was to the Dems. I have nothing but respect for people who do what Duncan has done, but that's a back-office function. The RNC can hire general counsel-types to execute the strategy. The RNC needs a vocal leader to reinspire the troops. I fail to see how Duncan inspired anybody as a leader, exept to maybe open their wallets. Need new blood.

160 Yeah, Paulie, I'm still pissed Barbour didn't run.

161 fritos - mmmmm - think I'll grab some chilli-cheese fritos while I clean my assault rifle!

162 someone:  Actually Drew, Saul Anuzis would be a great, great choice.

I'll stand with you on that.  Although he doesn't have the name recognition, he's  bona fide.  I hope he gets it.  We need new blood.  Here's his bio if anyone's interested.

163 fritos - greasy and easy to dispose of ....

164 36 ---  Yes Frito.  That's it exactly.  We in the GOP have a bad case of Jungle Fever.

As for H2U and someone--You want ideological purity?  How's Larry Craig sound for the spot?  He's red all the way through and he has any liberal in him at all, it's only temporaray.

165 Kasper, dude, what are you angry about?  I've suggested actual people who are actually running.  Not just Fred but Anuzis.  (One thing both of those guys have in common:  they get *us*.  Teh intertube base.  Because the party has to work better with the only real communications they've got.)

Besides, you're clearly trolling with this:

"Fred was less than spectacular in the election debates."

166 Saul Anuzis would be a great, great choice.

I just hope his slogan isn't "I'll do for Republicans nationally what I've done for them in Michigan!"

167 Oops, "John" @ 166 was me.

168 It was McCain who screwed the MI GOP, as you'll remember.

169 Hey now, I'm second to no one (no one!) in smacking Johnny Mac around but I don't remember a thriving Michigan Republican party since Engler and Abraham were in office (and the latter half of that duo was iffy at best).

170 Like I said, see your brother, raise you a brother.'

All other things being equal, I think this is a good way to deal with the moronic bad moronic, not good AceHQ moronic) world in which we find ourselves.  It would not be a "stupid and futile gesture" a la Animal House, but there's a certain Animal House revenge aspect to it.

That, and from what I've heard of Steele on Prager's show, he's a good guy.

171 170 Like I said, see your brother, raise you a brother.'

All other things being equal, I think this is a good way to deal with the moronic (bad moronic, not good AceHQ moronic) world in which we find ourselves.  It would not be a "stupid and futile gesture" a la Animal House, but there's a certain Animal House revenge aspect to it.

That, and from what I've heard of Steele on Prager's show, he's a good guy.

172

Wow, over 170 comments and nobody said this guy?

2 words: El Rushbo

Ok, not really, he's too good at his current job to give it up, but just do an April Fool's announcement saying that Rush is now head of the Republican party. I want to see moonbat heads explode all over the country. As an added bonus, a Hannity/Coulter dual VP-ship. Just to fuck with them for one day.

But seriously, I'm a Steele supporter. I'm a young (23) conservative who really just wants the party to get a little bit younger than Fred/Newt. They were great leaders in their day, but their day is past. If Newt runs in 2012 he will lose and badly. I spent 20 years of my life in Maryland, and was a huge supporter of Steele for his Senate run. Under the Erlich/Steele administration, Maryland became remotely livable again. A Republican can't win Maryland. Erlich won because the former Democrat administration was just royally inept, and the former Lt. Gov (Townsend) was destined to lose. Erlich lost his re-election in '06 to O'Malley, the former horrible mayor of the shit-hole known as Baltimore.

173 Don't count Saul Anuzis out.  I've known the guy since the early 80's, I ran his brother's campaign.  He fought his way up through the old dead wood of the party and is extremely tied into grass roots activism. He is a true campaigner.If there has been any saving grace to the Michigan Republican party it has been the energy that Saul brought while dragging the party into the new century.

He is very popular among the other state chairs and RNC members -- who vote.

Another name out of Michigan that will get some attention is Chuck Yob.

174 And, Saul's brother Andy is Thaddeus McCotter's chief of staff.

If you guys like what McCotter has been saying, you'll only get more of it from Saul.

175 Teh Fred is teh finished. His weird vapor campaign lasted longer than he was actually in the race. Anyone remember why he got out? Let me refresh your memory-IT WAS POORLY PLANNED AND RUN, that's why. And half assed on his part throughout. I like what he has to say and I agree with most if not all of it BUT the salient fact remains that he quit politics to go into acting. He's a dilettante.

176

I don't care who runs the RNC as long as he/she has the following qualifications:

World clase organizational skills

Bloody-minded, can make a decision and stick to it

Able to ask questions, listen and challenge the party, democrats, the media and the people of the Republic.

Has a real constructive and conservative vision of the Republic

Understands economics, wealth creation and knows history

does anyone have more qualifications to add?

 

177 Michael Steele is my hero. Love him. (I mustn't be a racist then huh?)

178 NBC's Chuck Todd is really the band manager in Flight of the Conchords.

179 For me, the great thing about Steele is that he'll have long knives out for Obama.

Obama stuck his own knives into Steele; he went out of his way to do that in the MD elections a couple of years ago. Steele's been gunning (mixed metaphor alert!) for Obama ever since.

There won't be any got-to-he'p-a-brotha-out stuff with Steele.

Is he a pitbull? I dunno. I know the guy can talk. I know he can make his points. I know he's got motive. Does he have a Megyn Kelly mindset? That I don't know. He's always come across as a nice guy.

I'm not saying Megyn isn't nice. She's fabulous. I'm just sayin' that Megyn will grab you in, chew you up, and spit you out ... relentlessly, once she catches you BS-ing. She'll whack you with the facts and stay on your case until you cry uncle. But then, we all know and love Megyn.

Does Steele have balls of steel like Megyn? I dunno.

180 Post-Obama, look for Steele to be anti-preferences (who the hell needs 'em now? We got a brotha (that's the right spelling there Kemp) in the WH in Jan!

I imagine that if Steele is the GOP front man, we might see a switch on his policies just to offer the homies out there an alternative to The One. As The One's administration gets into gear and he flips and flops and does all the weird shit, eyes are gonna turn to Steele. If Steele has sense, he'll present himself as the anti-Obama. Conservative as heck.

We don't need a moderate brotha (Obama-lite) fronting for the GOP.

Ideally, I would prefer Rudy Giuliani. Yeah, I know he's got some issues, but Rudy is a mean sum'bitch, and that's what we need. An articulate, knowledgeable, relentless pitbull of a sum'bitch to head the GOP. If only Tom DeLay's case were over with. I guess he'll be convicted now that the Dems are in control. Sigh.

181 kelsey grammer

182 ann coulter

183 topo gigio?
lots of Italian handpuppet appeal. Good speaker, for a foreign made puppet, that is.

184 mesa, wasn't Yob McCain's hitman against Anuzis back in early primary days?

185

I just learned yesterday that teh Fred is supposed to be attending the same black-tie affair in Chattanooga at which I will be in attendance.

I'm torn. Do I try to out-boob Jeri to get his attention, or ask him to refund my donation?

_{very tricky}

186 I would be ecstatic if Fred accepted the chair.  I watched Hunt for Red October today just to see him. 

187 "As much as I dislike Mike Huckabee, I think he'd do a good job as RNC chair. He's a good communicator and serving as chair would keep him out of elected office for awhile where he could do real damage."

Yeah, he's the face we need to represent the GOP, that will keep us a minority party for a generation - and I would become an independent.

188 God, anyone but Saul Anuzis. I never hear anything from him except for calls for money.

"179 For me, the great thing about Steele is that he'll have long knives out for Obama.

Obama stuck his own knives into Steele; he went out of his way to do that in the MD elections a couple of years ago. Steele's been gunning (mixed metaphor alert!) for Obama ever since.

Posted by: indga at November 12, 2008 09:08 PM (YfUcD"

You had me at, "hello." Or maybe, "meet my lee-tle friend!"

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