1 I get a 401 error message when I click on the link.

2 Fixy de linky

3

On Sunday, November 9, a band of about 30 gays stormed a church in Lansing, Michigan. Some were well dressed and were stationed inside Mount Hope Church; others were outside dressed in pink and black. The group of self-described homosexual anarchists, Bash Back!, claims the evangelical church is guilty of “transphobia and homophobia.”

The protesters outside the church were beating on buckets, shouting “Jesus was a homo” on a megaphone and carrying an upside-down pink cross. Fire alarms went off inside the church, protesters stormed the pulpit and a huge rainbow-colored flag was unfurled with the inscription, “IT’S OKAY TO BE GAY! BASH BACK!” The church was vandalized, obscenities were shouted and worshippers were confronted. There were no arrests.

Catholic League president Bill Donohue addressed this issue today:

“The real story here is the refusal of the mainstream media to cover what is surely one of the most disturbing events of 2008. If an organized group of gay bashers stormed a gay church, there is not a single sentient person in the United States who wouldn’t know about it.

“This is urban fascism come to America’s heartland. It must be quickly stopped before it gets out of control.

4 Duuude, you can't just link directly to an email.

5 I seriously don't see why Conservatives fighting Socialism and ultimately Communism, don't leap at the opportunity to turn this into a Private Property issue as opposed to a Civil Rights or Lifestyle issue.

6 Ace.. Im only a newbie here lately and you usedta impress me but the linkly no worky...

Kinda like obamantion's gonna be.. 
error 401

7

Duuude, you can't just link directly to an email.

Bwahahaha!

It's not a big truck Ace.

Educational link:

http://tinyurl.com/encw8

8 5 - generally speaking, the "private property" issues have been resolved. As have civil rights issues. At least in CA, where Civil Unions are available.

9 Come on, Ace, fix it. That's so No on 8, dude.

10

This, however, is like a big truck.

http://tinyurl.com/5borks

11

So now gays figure out that the black community is often socially conservative.

It's almost like they're completely divorced from observable reality or something.

12 So now gays figure out that the black community is often socially conservative.

Now all we have to do is get the black community to figure that out.

13 "Transphobia"? Really?

Well, hell, if I'm going to pick something to be scared of, that might just be it.

No, Danielle [ne Daniel], it *isn't* normal. You wanna do that, fine, whatever. Don't demand that I find it OK.

14 The love.

The tolerance.

The respect.

Can you feel it?

And then we have the journalists covering for the mob.

My next donation to the pro-Prop 8 forces, whatever form they take, will be much larger.

15 When they get gay marriage, it'll be something else.  They won't be happy until you all *validate* them by participating. Or at least watching in admiration.

16 Those protesters always seem to attack little old ladies. Why is that?

17 "Getting"?

18 I fixed the link. My computer was running really slowly all day. (I think what happened is that the URL continued to be the google link, despite the fact that the  page had loaded.)  Hopefully it's better now.

I'm going to ditch firefox for chrome pretty soon.

19 OT, but according to LARadio.com, Karel, the talk show host on KGO San Francisco who among other things wished death upon Joe the Plumber, has been fired this afternoon "following an incident on November 1st where objectionable words were broadcast when his microphone was left on during a commercial stop set."

20 I don't get it with gays - why the insistence on marriage, is it only for acceptance? I mean, civil unions or private contracts can be written to provide for all the benefits that married folks get, can't they?

21 We know that our information institutions are corrupt, but how about our religious institutions?

How many religious institutions will remain silent?

How many religious institutions will back the gay brown shirts?

22 Anger and hate on both sides? Really?

Fucking really?

That lady who was protesting the protesters appeared to have been acting very calmly and surprisingly dignified as she was attacked and shouted down.

Anger and hate on both sides?

Really?

23 16 Those protesters always seem to attack little old ladies. Why is that?

Posted by: Nom de Blog

Because it's always easier to 'fight the power' when the power in question has a walker, an artificial hip and cataracts.

24 re: #20  I say let 'em all be miserable like most of the rest of us...

What hunny?

No Just bloggin....

alright  alright...

i'll log off in a minute...

YA RIGHT!!!

25 Wow! Those guys sure are tough beating up on an elderly lady.

Nimrods.

26 Seems like all that jizz has gone to my brain

27 The church was vandalized, obscenities were shouted and worshippers were confronted.

If it had been at MY church, there would have been at least one arrest if I were confronted by someone determined to get in my face over their personal beliefs. Once they were released from the ER, that is.

I don't tolerate tantrums, even when they are being thrown by those legally presumed to be of age.

Prop 8 result 52-48 = "narrow"
Barack result 52-48 = "mandate from the people"

One other thing - it has been conclusively shown that the overwhelmingly high turnout by black voters in California (voting for Obama) voted 70-30 in favor of banning gay marriage. (Black women voted 3-1 in favor.) Why aren't these protesters attacking the black churches? Or since more than half of Latinos voted in favor, why not protest in Hispanic neighborhoods? Or since both Obama and Biden oppose same-sex marriages, why not protest those two?

Whites and Asians actually voted AGAINST Prop 8, 51-49.

28 The vagi-phobe Andy Sullivan is probably wanking it while watching the thugs rough up a 75 year old lady

29 I mean, civil unions or private contracts can be written to provide for all the benefits that married folks get, can't they?

There are some tax benefits like the unlimited marital deduction that exempts transfers at death from the estate tax that no private contract can provide. There are probably more examples.

30 KingShamus,

If you need help identifying the rhetorical question in the future, just ask.
I'm here for you.

31 Damned sockpuppet.

32 You know what?  This is the kind of crap that makes me what to slam the closet door behind me and lock it.  Not only does this not speak for me, but it's going to produce blow back that'll catch me in the wake.  And I completely and utterly understand why that would be the case.  If you attack someone, at some point, they'll fight back. 

33

The funniest episode to me out of this whole thing is when one of homosexual Prop 8 demonstrators warned the n****ers to stay out of West Hollywood.

That must have scared the shit out of the Crips and Bloods

34 Anger and hate on both sides? Really?

Yeah, I just about did a spit take when I heard that.

How dare that bitch exercise her rights!

Seriously, in the past I leaned towards supporting gay marriage (by vote, not judicial fiat) but after the way the Prop 8 opposition has behaved, I have to say I probably wouldn't vote for it if given the chance now.

Sorry, it may be a minority but too bad, individuals are responsible for those who represent them. Let's see Ellen and other high profile supporters come out against this crap, otherwise 'main stream' gays are like 'moderate muslims', something you hear an awful lot about but never actually see or hear from.

35

The SA in Germany in the '30's were just a bunch of gay thugs too

...just sayin'

36

Someone needs an additude adjustment.

 

37 I noticed Gabriel Malor with his previous thread said these individuals didn't "represent" him with their "tantrum" and all, but I didn't see a whole lot of, "These vicious shitheads belong behind bars."

38 They are selectively picking on the Mormons and other Christian denominations to rail against because they don't want to appear racist by attacking the blacks (who overwhelmingly voted for Prop. and the Latinos (Catholics who also voted for Prop. . These activists are trying to make it a Rep vs. Dem situation to highlight the perceived stupidity and unenlightened thinking of conservatives. They cannot promote the fact that Prop. 8 passed thanks to the votes from members of the Democratic base...kinda blows a hole in their theory that their base are so "progressive" when it comes to social issues.

39 Dude...if that was my church, I'd break a nancy-boy off some...hell, I feel like going to church just on the off-chance that they might try that stuff. I have ADD, I only read the first part of the bible with all the war and death and kicking ass.

There was some other stuff about loving and some Mexican guy and the Romans, but that shit is so, um, "No on Prop 8," I didn't finish it all.

40

Why aren't these protesters attacking the black churches? Or since more than half of Latinos voted in favor, why not protest in Hispanic neighborhoods? Or since both Obama and Biden oppose same-sex marriages, why not protest those two?

Because if they do that, they'll get killed.

41

Posted by: DrewM. at November 11, 2008 06:27 PM (hlYel)

Bingo!

42 Per my post #38 - sorry, did not mean for the smileys to pop up.

43 Redefining marriage isn't about rights, gays can get those through civil unions. This is about getting back at the religious groups that have been trying to "convert" them. Personally, i think the whole "converting gays" stuff is ridiculous, but we shouldn't be redefining a tradition that's thousand of years old just because a politically correct protected group got their feelings hurt.

44 "There's a lot of anger, and a lot of hate, quite frankly, on both sides..."

Vinnie? Can you bring back your flaming douche of the day for that News anchor?

45 What no hat tip Ace ?

46

Typical libs, they only respect the vote when they get what they want.

Heck, the first time I heard the word "homosexual" was when a bunch of ACT-UP types stormed St. Patricks' and desecrated the Eucharist.

47 In my SN URL there is a second video they did after that. The old lady said they hit her on the head and spit on her as they were stomping on her Cross.

48 These people probably roll their eyes when they see a child manipulate a parent by throwing a tantrum.

49 Re: #35 - Fred Schwartz

You know, I was thinking the same thing, what with a bunch of pissed off white dudes directing their anger at dark skinned folks and religions they don't like . 

Celebrate Diversity!

50 "What no hat tip Ace ?"

Does it matter?

51 30 KingShamus,

If you need help identifying the rhetorical question in the future, just ask.
I'm here for you.

Posted by: Nom de Blog

Awwww man, I thought we were playing Martin & Lewis and you were setting me up so I could deliver the punchline.

Drat.

52 fucking cocksuckers

53 Sorry put up the old clip here is the new one now in my URL

54 Some of the video I've seen clearly shows placards with LAAnswer on it.  Yup, that's our old favorite commies, International Answer, now suddenly a gay rights group.

Folks, this is about weakening our society so they can destroy it.  It has very little to do with gay rights.

<a hef="http://www.pephost.org/site/PageServer?pagename=ANSWERLA/">LA Answer<a>

55 Okay, can someone please explain how to use the link thing here?

56

Those queers are angry, God bless 'em

I love being president!

57 I noticed Gabriel Malor with his previous thread said these individuals didn't "represent" him with their "tantrum" and all, but I didn't see a whole lot of, "These vicious shitheads belong behind bars."

I'll say it. These vicious shitheads belong behind bars.

58 Drewm, it's exactly that kind of bully behavior that leads me to believe that allowing gay marriage would only be the start. Don't you think fanatics that act like that to an elderly woman when given an inch would take a mile?

I firmly believe if prop 8 hadn't passed the next step would be accusing churches of using hate speech. And that's just the beginning. That's why I would never have voted against prop 8. Did you see them knock the cross out of her hand and stomp on it?

This is about political activism, not about marriage.

Civil unions, fine, whatever.

59 Where are the Knights of Malta when you really them?

60

Please tell me I'm not the only one who cried as I watched them tear the cross from her hand and stomp on it and push her around.

What the fuck happened to my country? It's not right. It's just not right. The photo of those thugs that stormed the church in Michigan made me sick to my stomach.

And why is no one condemning these actions? Why is it OK for them to protest like this?

I am terrified for our future.

61
This is about political activism, not about marriage.

Right on the money. Most of the liberal gays who want marriage want it, not so that they can take advantage of it, but so they can spit in the face of religious people. Gavin Newsom wasn't kidding when he said that gay marriage would be imposed "whether you like it or not", and that's exactly what Californians voted against.

62 Just curious, but didn't one asshole yelling 'kill him'* serve as proof that Palin was whipping up hatred and wanted to bring back segregation?

This? Hey, people get upset but it doesn't mean anything so move along.

It's almost as if there's some sort of double standard or something.


*of course it turned out no one actually did yell kill him but hey, that's a minor detail given The Narrative.

63

"Alot of hate on both sides..."

Yeah, right. MSM liars.

64 Well, Drew, it's just those icky religious people so they don't count.

65 I am a white, female Californian.  I voted for McCain/Palin and yes on Prop 8.  I have had many gay friends, neighbors, coworkers in my life, some of them like family.  I'm glad they have civil unions and domestic partnerships to protect their rights in their relationships.

However, there is NO cogent reason for any government to redefine marriage.  And the hateful ugliness of these ridiculous protests is just in-your-face bad behavior, like the completely revolting bdsm displays at the "gay pride" parades, which always leave me wondering what the fuck they are so proud of. 

66 Oh damn, where do I start?

Hate on both sides? I'd really like to get a conversation with that anchor and ask him exactly what his evidence is for saying that. I saw a bunch of belligerent people on one side only getting in people's faces and engaging in intimidation tactics. And blocking the camera? I don't even have the language yet to express how I feel about that, I'm so frustrated.

I really don't give a rat's arse what consenting adults do in the privacy of their homes, and they (as at least two others have said) are not being blocked access to rights--they can get what they need through civil contracts. I'm sick of being called a hater simply because I disagree with their lifestyle and tired of worrying about my kid being forcibly taught to admire it.

And I'm also fed up with so many of these special interest groups that plainly state they will not be happy until they force the rest of society to embrace their perspectives--and then circumvent the law and bully people to try doing it.

Someone above made a comparison between gays who are silent about this and Muslims who claim the terrorists "aren't Muslim" but sit quietly while our institutions and culture are attacked. I'm not too far off agreeing with this person. Gays and lesbians who see these mob tactics as wrong need to get up off their arses and be VOCAL or this is going to get a lot uglier than it already has.

If that were my grandma that guy would have a lot to answer for.

67 "seems like there is a lot of hate on both sides"  i only seen on side getn rowdy.

68 mare is right.

/rant on

The Left has been very effective in their campaign to make people who use the "slippery slope" argument look a knee-jerk reactionary or a crank.  But it's 100% true; gay marriage is only the beginning.

The Left is dead-set on creating their secular communist utopia on Earth. Destroying the church and the private sector is how they're going to achieve their goal. Wake up, sheeple!!! Political correctness, "going green," gay marriage, government regulation of private enterprise...

\rant off

69 What would the apostle Paul do?

70 Well, the gays had better get whatever they can get and get it relatively quickly because the traditional Catholic demographics marching up from Mexico and points south are going against them at some point when those immigrants gain citizenship.

The democrat leadership can't be ignorant of this either.  I wonder if this is a way of defacto purging the radical gays, which are a relatively small troublesome minority, and replacing them with a larger group that isn't so single issue or troublesome?

71 What a fuckin' stupid newsreader: "Hate on both sides"? WTF?

72 Why aren't these protesters attacking the black churches?

'Cause the first time they got in the face of some sweet little gramma who happens to have a grandson armed to the upper teeth, with a boatload of Crip or Blood homies, they'd be hamburger.

73

Fuck, man. I can't believe I got #69 in a thread about a bunch of buttfuckers. Just my luck.

74 Gays and lesbians who see these mob tactics as wrong need to get up off their arses and be VOCAL or this is going to get a lot uglier than it already has.

Okay, since I'm seeing this sentiment repeatedly expressed, I want to know exactly what people what done.  I'm serious.  What *precisely* should those of us who are queer but against these tactics do?  I mean, for fuck's sake, I should not have to ritually state that I think these fucktards should be in jail for this.  I would hope that, by this point, my position on that is well known around here. 

But does being vocal mean?  What, counter protests?  Shrieking back Not In My Name?  What, in detail, do y'all want? 

75 What do you expect from Obamessiah faggot commies?  Violence and opposition to democracy.  Commies are all the same whether they are gays or minorities or union thugs.  They only know violence and intimidation.  We have to get with the program and fight back.

76

Destroying the church and the private sector is how they're going to achieve their goal.

And destroying the nuclear family so that the State becomes your family instead.

77 Gawd, I'd love to have one of this assclowns join my front fender.

78 Re: Christoph

As a gay, I'll go you one better. If I had been there, and I had seen these lunatics go after an old woman like that, I'd be the one in jail.

I'm completely disgusted by these protesters.

79

I'd be more inclined to believe that the attempted thug behavior isn't representative of the majority of homosexuals if the attempted thug behavior got conspicuously condemned by the majority of homosexuals.  Guess what:  that will NEVER happen.

80 We had about 100 protestors in AZ today. They don't protest here much because a majority of us own guns. Yeah, the Old West is alive an well in my part of the country.

These jerks are definitely going about it the wrong way. They are behaving like children who throw tantrums when they don't get their way. In my house, the more tantrums you throw, the less you get.

81 These homosexuals are real tough. They don't have the spine to protest in South Central LA, or East LA, or in front of an Orthodox Jewish Synagogue. Because if they did, they would get their collective gay asses kicked. Cowards!!!!

82 btw, I'm not in favor of any laws prohibiting gay marriage.

We shouldn't be at this place in our society in the first place. This shouldn't even be an issue. We let the PC crowd dictate "tolerance" and here we are.

83
Someone above made a comparison between gays who are silent about this and Muslims who claim the terrorists "aren't Muslim" but sit quietly while our institutions and culture are attacked. I'm not too far off agreeing with this person.

You're absolutely right, Fireweed.

Keep in mind, though, that regular gay people have the same type of relationship to these idiots as regular Germans did to the SS; you can think what you want, but if you show it, prepare to be publicly ostracized at best and have the verbal sh*t beat out of you at worst. I've spent four years calling out this kind of crap, and still get long nastygrams about what a horrible person I am to be "aiding the enemy" from other gay people.

84 I don't know how many times I've heard a pillow biter say that there's no gay agenda.

uhhhh, yeah, there is. Always has been. This isn't about acceptance, this is about forcing others to agree with your lifestyle choice.

85 It's just like a Klan rally but they look much more fabulous!

86 Maybe if we just passed out free butt-plugs they would all disperse peacefully. (Yes, that was a cheap shot.  So sue me.)

87 We would like to apologize to all straight Americans that we didn't make the AIDS virus stronger. We wanted to, we really did.

88 #87, that's disgusting.  It really, really is.

89 Posted by: alexthechick at November 11, 2008 07:04 PM (NkoQh)

Since I was one who wrote that, I'll take a swing.

Do I expect every individual interested in this to denounce every public display of jackassery? No.

But there are people who have used their prominence (like Ellen) to advocate on this issue. It would be helpful if she disassociated herself from this crap.

There are also organizations that were founded and well funded to argue against Prop 8, again it would be great if they pointed out people can disagree civilly.

There's been an effort to demonize people who don't agree with them and you can't do that and not expect a backlash when scenes like this occur.

Even if they don't think it's fair that they should have to it's kind of too bad for them if they want to win. If they don't reign in these jackasses and they risk loosing support from people like Ace (and me), they will do more damage to their cause than by standing on some principal

I don't like taking Republicans and conservatives to task for the shit they do but I have here and in other places. I've gotten crap from people saying I should let it slide because 'it's our guy' but when someone makes your side look bad, I think it's up to you to police it.

90 The protesters were all wearing Ohio State tees? I thought so.

91

From the 53% to the 47% on Prop 8:

[head-tilt]

You fucking lost!!!

92 One additional point for those who are wondering why gays who don't agree with these protests don't speak out.

We do speak out. Often. The problem is the media just aren't interested in what we have to say. They've crowned their gay spokespeople, and nothing anything any other gay person says will matter. To the media, gay leftists and gays are the exact same things.

How much luck have conservatives had with getting the media to report that side of a story? And that's half the country.

And we're supposed to expect the media to pay attention to the boring "assimilationist" gays when they have these drama queens screaming in the streets every night?

Right.

But hey, if you want to help, we'd be much obliged.

93 I thought the "how many years did you serve" argument was so precious. That would be in the "don't ask, don't tell" military, would it? Plus, I was in for ten years, am now considered 40% disabled due to my military service, and I'm telling you to STFD and STFU.

94 Ace, see, this is why you're just host of a moronblog instead of making it big like AP etc. You're refusing to do what they did with an unsubstantiated report of "Kill him!" at a rally.

95 I am not a church goer, I don't live in a dense urban environment either. I ain't gay and I voted no on 8. No less, I drove past a *Mormon church this weekend, on the way to groceries, and there were a roughly 6 or so people with stupid signs, yelling at cars and the church. Uggh, I looked it up and they plan to protest all over my town for the next month too.

These dorks are annoying the heck out of me, I still stand by my vote but the majority won so just get over it annoying fags. I am not out there with a damn "NOBAMA!" sign cursing at everyone. This whole "I am different from you and you are wrong." game is really pissing me off. My atitude is: You live, eat, sleep, work, play, pay and die. I really don't give a damn about your little details. Stop f'in with traffic in my town. But the fridge is still full and I have two six packs of nice beer so I am quite ok.

96 alexthechick

Abortion bombers and Fred Phelps from the Westboro Baptist Church have been condemned by other Christians who had absolutely nothing to do with any such activity.

We are judged by what we say and do, as well as by what we remain silent about. This is not a personal dig as you cannot individually be held accountable for these things, but gay advocacy groups do tend to remain silent.

97 I'm LDS and it was remarkable how the church members got organized. I live in DC, but my mom and dad were out every Saturday knocking on doors and sharing literature with people; you can imagine some of the responses they got in Norcal. My dad placed hundreds of "yes on 8" signs mostly because people would steal them. The Church officially donated less than $3,000. 3 thousand dollars, 3k dollars, the price of a moped. The church members took money from their own pockets (in addition to the normal 10% tithing) because we believe in traditional families. That was the 20 million, voters putting their money toward issues they support. This was the ultimate grass roots movement.

98 Um, Gabe....

You're a good guy, and your presence here is appreciated.....

.....not that this appreciation means that I swing that way or anything.





And, by the way, since we've got you on record about Richard Simmons, what about Judy Garland or show tunes?

99

And you certainly shouldn't have expected me to support the protesters since I already wrote about how pointless, unhelpful, and objectionable they are. It should go without saying that I'm not a supporter of harassment. I'd rather not have to write about this gay shit every time a gay person says or does something evil in public, okay?

I also preemptively denounce anyone who kicks puppies, my neighbor who parks in the handicapped space without a tag, and Richard Simmons. If there's anything else completely obvious you would like me to denounce just so we can get it out of the way, feel free to let me know.

We don't have a choice, Mr. Malor.

As Robbie pointed out correctly above, the media has anointed these idiots as our leaders. Until that is undone, the only thing we can do is scream bloody murder each time they do something like this that they are wrong, that they don't represent us, and that they should be in jail.

Yes, it's annoying and repetitive. But unless it's done, we're going to continue to be held accountable for their behavior. And yes, I want to see Ellen, HRC, and every other gay person who shoved themselves in front of the camera stand up and say that these people are assholes and idiots who belong behind bars, not in them.

But it isn't going to happen until they're more scared of the consequences of not doing so than they are of these moonbat idiots.

100 Drew - Fair enough and well taken points.  I agree that would be effective and I am currently working with some friends of mine to try to bring pressure to bear for that to happen.

Robbie is right as well, it's the shriekers who get attention.  And North Dallas Forty hits the nail on the head about the social ostracism.  I have a group of friends who are well aware that if I am invited to something, others cannot be.  Believe it or not, it's not me (okay okay so I ended it but I didn't start it).  But there are certain people who are incapable of being around me without shrieking about how much of a traitor and self-hater I am because I'm a Republican.  It gets very old very fast.  At a certain point, the temptation is to throw up my hands and absent the situation.  No, that's not right but I hope it's comprehensible.

101

So now gays figure out that the black community is often socially conservative.

It's almost like they're completely divorced from observable reality or something.

You deeply underestimate the power of white guilt.  Indeed, the fact that blacks hate gays in such overwhelming numbers is the elephant in the room among gay rights supporters.

102 It's time to lay off of Gabe, Robbie, AlextheChick, and the others on this site that are both gay and outraged by this behavior.  There's nothing really that they can do about it, except what they've done by joining us in our protest.  Outside of a a fair and unbiased media, we have no way to judging whether or not there is a signifiant "moderate" bases among the gay population.  And we won't hear the "moderate" position because that doesn't sell copies or command air time, not because it doesn't exist.

103 If there's anything else completely obvious you would like me to denounce just so we can get it out of the way, feel free to let me know.

What?  No Enya condemnation?  ENYA LOVER!  ENYA LOVER!  HE'S A WITCH BURN HIM!

104 I don't see why people are shocked by this.  They (yes, THEY), have become used to being accommodated, their every wish granted.  How dare anyone have an opposing point of view.  "Tolerance" only applies to others.

105

I don't think that Arnie's remarks are getting enough attention.  Put the blame on him, too.

106 Posted by: alexthechick at November 11, 2008 07:27 PM (NkoQh)

I'm still waiting for a response to "show tunes".

107 Posted by: alexthechick at November 11, 2008 07:27 PM (NkoQh)

Hey, wait a second -- what's wrong with Enya?

108 And the hateful ugliness of these ridiculous protests is just in-your-face bad behavior, like the completely revolting bdsm displays at the "gay pride" parades, which always leave me wondering what the fuck they are so proud of.

They don't do it because they're proud.  They do it because they really, really enjoy disgusting you.  They want you to feel sick and nauseated.  They feel like, "If you're offended, then you deserve it."

And no, they don't represent me.  They make me look bad.  I despise them.

109

Yes, it's annoying and repetitive. But unless it's done, we're going to continue to be held accountable for their behavior.

Not by me or a large percentage of the straight population.  I don't blame whole groups for the actions of individuals.  You should look for support with those in the straight community who see you as more than just your sexual orientation.

This doesn't mean I want to swap spit.  Well maybe with alexthechick.  And some of her friends. 

But only the Republican ones.  Otherwise it would be weird.

110

Alexthechick:

You're cool. There's nothing you could do about the assholes in the video. Gays aren't responsible. The dicks in the video are.

Here's the real solution. Real women and real men should have stood up to those thugs, just like the old lady did. If it means whipping their asses, then so be it, but it doesn't have to. My guess is that if a few stout hearted souls had told those idiots to go home, the tents would have folded up very quickly.

No offense ma'm, but pussies are pussies.

111

I just heard that Barney Frank is gay.

Is that legal?

 

112 Hey, wait a second -- what's wrong with Enya?

It's a reference to this. 

113 To build on Alex's point, there is a virulence about any form of internal opposition in the gay movement. The most prominent gay opposition to the GLBT leadership are usually trashed to hell and back by various organizations and would-be brownshirt enforcers.

Look at what happened to McCain's chief of staff, a gay man. As soon as his sexuality was known, Mike Rogers dug into his private life, gleaned what sexual details he could from the internet, gossip, and associations, and plastered it all over the web. Leftist gay bloggers picked it up and ran with it, while people like Signorile made sure it crept its way into the MSM.

Most gay people want nothing to do with the movement. And those who want to fight it are often afraid, because they know that it is rife with people like Signorile and Rogers, men who are real fascists and have just enough hateful followers to make life miserable and embarrassing to anyone who dares dissent.

People like me, who see how awful the gay movement is, would certainly like support in getting it back on the rails, but the task is almost impossible. Conservatives and heterosexuals largely don't care, and the media are afraid to say boo in fear that any criticism they offer will be labelled homophobic.

Hey, we're trying, but we're largely on our own and limited in the kind of impact we can make. If you guys think liberals are somewhat scary and disconcertingly fascist, try taking on the gay movement on the inside. These people make Obama's wettest dreamers look like libertarians.

114 uhhhh, yeah, there is. Always has been. This isn't about acceptance, this is about forcing others to agree with your lifestyle choice.

If you agree with a gay guy's lifestyle choice, then you accept him.  If you accept him, then you agree with his lifestyle choice.  What's the difference?

And no, not all gay people have that agenda.  The fags who live in the ghetto and have prosthetic semen-spurting dildos that they wave in your face do NOT care or want you to accept them.  They want to offend you perpetually.  And use meth and poppers.  That's "gay culture".  I hate gay culture.

115 Again the question is did prop 8 prevent gay people from being gay ? Did it prevent any relation from existing ? Doe it enslave or attack anyone for being gay ?

116 alexthechick,

If it helps, I hope you know I hold you in no way responsible for Lindsay Lohan and her pronouncement that she's very excited about our first 'colored' President.

117 Most gay people want nothing to do with the movement. And those who want to fight it are often afraid, because they know that it is rife with people like Signorile and Rogers, men who are real fascists and have just enough hateful followers to make life miserable and embarrassing to anyone who dares dissent.

Quoted for truth.  Gay activists are vicious toward "sell outs" who dare criticize their agenda.  They'll go through your trash and confront you in the street and at your job.  They are monsters.

118 Lindsay Lohan is NOT gay. She's just a prime example of what happens to a whacked-out kid raised by a loopy mother who teaches her daughter to hate men, especially her father.

119 ATC - OK, I had wondered why Enya's "elevator music without the elevator" was singled out particularly.

120 Abortion bombers and Fred Phelps from the Westboro Baptist Church have been condemned by other Christians who had absolutely nothing to do with any such activity.

Fred Phelps only started being hated and condemned by Christians when Phelps and his mutant clan started with the "Thank God for IEDs" bullshit.  Before that, they either didn't care what Phelps did, or else they silently endorsed it.

121 Lindsay Lohan is NOT gay. She's just a prime example of what happens to a whacked-out kid raised by a loopy mother who teaches her daughter to hate men, especially her father.
Posted by: North Dallas Thirty

I just know I'm gonna regret asking this... but if sleeping with someone of the same gender isn't gay then what is?

122 People like me, who see how awful the gay movement is, would certainly like support in getting it back on the rails, but the task is almost impossible. Conservatives and heterosexuals largely don't care, and the media are afraid to say boo in fear that any criticism they offer will be labelled homophobic.

Robbie,

Serious question...what can someone who isn't gay do to help with that? I really don't like saying, 'yeah they are nuts and it's unfair you have to deal with it but that's kind of life' but I don't see where someone like myself has much to offer (beyond not being a jackass in real life). It really seems like something that has to be dealt with 'internally' as it were. Am I missing something?

123 Fred Phelps only started being hated and condemned by Christians when Phelps and his mutant clan started with the "Thank God for IEDs" bullshit.  Before that, they either didn't care what Phelps did, or else they silently endorsed it.
Posted by: SuprKufr

I had never even heard of the nutjobs before that and I imagine most people were the same.

124 Serious question...what can someone who isn't gay do to help with that?

The closest analogue would probably be what you could do to help black people who are tired of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.

125 "Lindsay Lohan is NOT gay.

Posted by: North Dallas Thirty at November 11, 2008 07:38 PM (uUR4m)"

She is dating (and humping, i presume) a chick. And she's a chick. Sorry, but that makes her gay.

You're not saying it's a choice, are you? How dare you call it a choice. I don't have a choice that I, as a man, am attracted to women.

I WAS BORN THAT WAY, AND SO WAS SHE!!!1!!ONE!

126 I just know I'm gonna regret asking this... but if sleeping with someone of the same gender isn't gay then what is?

Generally it involves wanting to sleep with someone of the same gender for reasons that aren't associated with some form of revenge against your father or mother.

127
For anyone who poo-poos the "slippery slope" warnings, just point out what the Leftists have done with abortion: no parental notification for >18yo and so-called partial-birth abortion (infanticide).

Abortion is legal in this country but that's not good enough for them, they want more. Same thing will happen with gay marriage.

128 Okay what is a douchechill and how does Ace know about it?
Nevermind, sorry I asked. Honest I don't want the answer. I am afraid it might be worse then the question.
Remember when gay used to mean happy?

129 She is dating (and humping, i presume) a chick. And she's a chick. Sorry, but that makes her gay.

No, it could also make her bi.  We do exist, duh. 

130 Drew,

Honestly, I think it's a matter of using the resources at hand. Think of every story about what the gay movement is getting up to that is posted on major blogs, news sites, etc. Usually it's "Do you believe what these maniacs are up to?"

If the people pushing those stories also linked to gay opponents of what the maniacs are up to, it would increase our visibility. It would let people know that the lunatics are not the face of gay citizens - at least not one we voted for or agree with.

(Just not my blog, which is technical nightmare right now).

There are a lot of Alexthechick's out there, and the more visibility they receive, the better the environment for everyone, and the more leverage we have in combatting the leftists.

131 "As a gay, I'll go you one better. If I had been there, and I had seen these lunatics go after an old woman like that, I'd be the one in jail.

"I'm completely disgusted by these protesters."

I've often said many homosexuals (I hate to give them the word "gay"... I'm happily heterosexual and they should be able to live with being homosexual, just the same as people who are bisexual or transsexual seem to be able to live with those terms without co-opting words like "sunny" to mean "tranny") are good people, and I know some very level headed ones.

I remember living in a very liberal city and being one of the few people who spoke out in favour of the 2003 invasion of Iraq. One fellow, flaming gay (see, there, I used it! You got me) was one of the other few supporters who had the courage to say so out loud, much to the consternation of his friends.

The fact he was 6'3" and stacked with muscle if people gave him lip probably didn't hurt any.

132 There are a lot of Alexthechick's out there,

First of all sir, there is only one alexthechick. You will retract that slur, lest I be forced to demand a meeting.

Secondly, send me some links (drewmtips(at)gmail(dot)com). Last I checked I have some access to a rather influential blog (assuming Ace hasn't sobered up and changed my password). I'm not saying I'll post something but I'd love to take a look and if there's a news hook, I'd be happy to post it.

133 It was lame of Gabriel to term the behavior of the protesting gays a "tantrum." They're not 2 or 3 year olds. They're bigoted, racist, anti-Christian adults. Now, when the KKK goes marching, nobody says the KKK is having a "tantrum"; gay activists indulging in behavior similar to the KKK's deserves the same type of opprobrium as the KKK would receive. This nonsense about "tantrum" and the BS about "they don't represent me" is just that: BS nonsense.

Just this weekend, a bunch of gays went into a church and violated the sanctuary; some of them went into the bathroom and had sex. Was that a "tantrum," too?

Gabe ought to cut line with the BS and issue condemnation where it is due, instead of parroting the weak liberal BS line "they don't represent me"!

Now we know where Gabe's sympathies lie, and it's not with what's right and what's wrong.

134 Anyone else wonder why Drudge has been relatively silent on this topic?

Hmmmmmm.

135 I think it was P.J O'Rourke who coined term, "the Perpetually Indignant".

If they weren't soiling themselves over this it would be something else. They're hooked on feeling angry.

136 Indga, can you read? 

For the record, I denounce these people and hope that they are prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

Yeah, I would say that says exactly where Gabe's sympathies lie.

137

indga at November 11, 2008 07:55 PM (2m+hz)

Oh eat a bag of shit and choke on it.  This is horseshit and speaks to exactly the kind of problem lots of us have with social cons. 

Since when did Gabe or anyone else become a spokesman for the gay community or become responsible for satisfying your level of indignation at the actions of a few on the extreme.  It was Gabe who posted the article in the first place taking on these people.  He is no more responsible for their actions and you are for the bombing of abortion clinics by religious nuts.

If you are going to condemn Gabe, do it for something he has actually done.  Like support international law.

138 Now we know where Gabe's sympathies lie, and it's not with what's right and what's wrong.

Gabe can defend himself but I have to say that's a load of bullshit. Did you read his original post? Either you didn't and that makes you lazy and quite frankly not worth paying much attention to or you are ignoring the fact his original post was not about a specific incident but protests in general.

Do you really think he or anyone else has to come running out ever time something dumb is said?

I'll tell you what, I bet I can find something stupid that was said every Sunday in a Church somewhere in this country. Should Christians be forced to renounce each of them every week? I don't think so. I'm not sure why Gabe or anyone else should be held to a different standard.

139 Wow, who knew ace's had such a gay following ?  

I suspect that the real initial reaction of many parents who find out their child is gay might be, "Oh, no! Please don't bring home one of *those* (ie., radical activist) people."

For those of you who don't support this agenda, it sounds like a very isolating life. My sympathies (not that they're worth much).

140 Packers beat Saints.  Film at 11

141

I think this is a prime example of the projection of self-lothing.

Not saying all gays are or even should be afflicted, but when you go as far to physically attack a 75 year old woman, there are psychological issues well  beyond grievance suffering

142 #113: "To build on Alex's point, there is a virulence about any form of internal opposition in the gay movement."

Of course, that's not unique to the gay movement - it's a feature of nearly every movement that's associated with the Left, including the Obama movement (ask Joe the Plumber).

143 "Yeah... [ace] Dumb and stridently so as usual, Christoph."

You know what, Ace, fuck you!

I was one of the people on that thread defending Gabriel from the idea that he or any particular homosexual person has to rise up every time some Prop 8 opponent says or does something stupid. At that time, there had been other actions committed by these opponents, some of which were at least somewhat violent and destructive of property.

When I wrote, I noticed Gabriel Malor with his previous thread said these individuals didn't "represent" him with their "tantrum" and all, but I didn't see a whole lot of, "These vicious shitheads belong behind bars."

... it was out of disgust with their actions and in the hope that Gabriel would up his denunciation to said level, which he did.

But seriously, Ace, fuck you, you shithead.

144 But does being vocal mean?  What, counter protests?  Shrieking back Not In My Name?  What, in detail, do y'all want? 

Posted by: alexthechick at November 11, 2008 07:04 PM (NkoQh)

In detail?  Just pictures, baby.  Just pictures.

Seriously, I'm seein' some fag hate here that ain't cool.  I'm vociferously opposed to gay marriage, but not to gay happiness.  Some of you cocksuckers don't know what "Liberty" means.  (And when I say "cocksuckers", I mean, uh, well shit, now I confused myself.)

145 Remember when gay used to mean happy?

Yes.  And old classic literature with the word "gay" meaning  seems kinda ghey now.  The word is ruined, and we're affected while reading the classic literature.

Most gays I know, several are family and friends, are not happy.  And their issues have little to do with whether the rest of us accept them or not. I pray for them and have concern about depression leading to suicide.  Suicide rates are higher for gays.

And these ranters also don't seem happy and probably never will be.  No one is keeping them from loving others and living their own lives.  Like folks have already said here, they want more.  They get in our faces and change things to meet their selfish needs, including re-defining words like "gay" and "marriage."

146 If there's anything else completely obvious you would like me to denounce just so we can get it out of the way, feel free to let me know.

The designated hitter. That shit's just evil.

147 Christoph, you are such a weak-ass little putz.  You spend a lot of time telling other people how they should deal with their issues. 

Fortunately for you, nobody gives a rat's ass about your very obvious issues, and so you only get flamed once in a while.

Go fuck yourself (oh, yeah, that's a given)

148

I really don't give jack shit who or what you screw at your home. 

Don't tell me you have some right to make it the norm.  I know people who went to UNC who regularly fuck sheep.  Does that make them bad, well I think so, but should they have a right to marry the sheep? Well maybe, that would mean they could not breed more Carolina dickheads.  OK, but who gets the silver when they break up?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Also, damn it leave Richard Simmons alone.  I met him in LA airport with his two handlers.  Anyone who can be that fucking wired up at 11:00 is either really cool or has the best damn drug dealer in the city.

Kemp

149

I knew Gabe was a Homo, homo lawyer no less.

Chistoph, will you go back to f-ing canada, pussy

150 The One with whom gays have a problem is God. The violation of the church, the attack on Christians is just a symptom of the Daddy-problem. It is His Word, and it is He who has inspired it We cannot be true to our faith if we don't believe His Word. Attacking us Christians won't change the Word. The problem for gays is this: how to attack God? Their answer: through His children. That's why they come for us.

Anyway, forgive them. How they are is Adam's fault.

151 What they do, is their fault.

152 Indga, thanks for the theology lesson.  Never ever heard that before. 

153 #140 LOL

154 Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

That's THEOCRATIC FASCISM, that is!

REGULATE THE CHURCHES!

REPEAL THE FIRST AMENDMENT!

155 Please denounce global warming.

156 Posted by: indga at November 11, 2008 08:21 PM (2m+hz)

Yeah, yeah, thanks for sharing.

Don't you think it's a tad bit self-centered to think that the lives of gays revolves around you and your beliefs?  I always thought pride was a sin.

157 #154 HUH?

158 Sorry, I went a step too far.

159 Gabe, I apologize for saying your sympathies don't lie with right and wrong. Forgive me.

160 You know what, Ace, fuck you!

Whine on, Bill Maher wannabe...

161 And as I have said before, they never get prosecuted in LA no matter what crap they pull. Besides blocking traffic at rush hour, I have seen tapes of them resisting police, resisting police orders, and striking police horses in the face. But because the gay mafia controls both the DA and city prosecutor's office, they defer prosecution. And it's happen enough times for it not to be a policy.

162 I would like to formally concede the point that Alexthechick is indeed unique in her awesome Alexiness.

163 I dunno as these guys don't represent gays. I mean they're going about the effort differently than most would, but their goals are the same: a society that doesn't simply tolerate, but embraces and promotes their lifestyle and choices while never condemning or questioning.

164 I call for the denouncement of hipster douchebags and hair plugs.

165 Fred Phelps only started being hated and condemned by Christians when Phelps and his mutant clan started with the "Thank God for IEDs" bullshit. Before that, they either didn't care what Phelps did, or else they silently endorsed it.

Bullshit. Phelps first got noticed and condemned when he demonstrated and harassed people at Randy Shilts' and other gay men's funerals.

166 Big oops: And it's happen enough times for it to be an unwritten policy.

167 I would pay money to get a comment from Jeremiah Wright on this.

168 I had never even heard of Fred Phelps before the soldier funerals.

169 that's why you should go agnostic... you never have to distance yourself from anyone because no one is ever on your side. I'm just all alone...

170 "No, it could also make her bi.  We do exist, duh. "

Easy claim to make...

...I demand photographic evidence.

171 Christoph, this would be a good time to let the door hit you in the ass on the way out...

...and depending on the (door)knob's trajectory, perhaps make a latent discovery about yourself.

172 I agree with kempermax at #148

No offense to Alex, Robbie, Gabriel or Bart.

173 Actually the Phelps Cult and Racket, has been around for a long time. The Matthew Sheppard murder in the 90s, they were there protesting. At the time they were just described as "Baptists," "Christians." or were linked to Focus on the Family by the MSM. The funeral protests finally forced media to admit who they actually were.

Apologies to alexthechick and Gabe, but "Welcome to the Party, Pal." Christians  have been linked with every Abortion bomber, Gay-hate bigot, Phelps cocksucker for the last 30 years. Even though every major or minor Christian org. and almost every church, both <i>condemned</i> and <i>rejected</i> these assholes, their tactics and their philosophy every time. Unlike those magical "moderate muslims" who always condemn "terrorism" and not the acts/purpetrators.

174 Re: #163

We're definitely in a strange place. The Left regards us as assimilationists and the Right as deviants.

I'm not sure what the term is for that. The blandest abominations anyone ever did see? Meh.

175

Ya know, just tossing this out here but it takes a special, award-eligible level of douchebaggery to tell one's blog host "fuck you" repeatedly. 

And no, I'm not a regular.  Just a mostly-lurker who's pretty appalled.

176 To Robbie @92. Yeah, the media just wants to report on the freaks. To them that's the part of interest. The news is just entertainment now and isn't representative of anything except whoever is doing the most outrageous stunt. They feed on each other. As long as they get the coverage they will continue to do it. I was at a Sarah Palin rally and the press didn't interview the thousands of normal behaving people. They went straight for the shouting freak walking up and down the line. Who then become "us." Even though it was literally one of ten thousand or whatever.

177 but their goals are the same: a society that doesn't simply tolerate, but embraces and promotes their lifestyle and choices while never condemning or questioning.

That's not my goal.  I mean, sure, there are certain specific individuals whom I am deeply vested in embracing and promoting a lifestyle with me.  But I'm not asking that I be free from condemnation and questioning.

Mainly because I'm a hugely judgmental bitch who is not about to give up calling people fucktards any time soon.  So if I want that right, I have to concede it to others.

At least until Alextopia finally arives, in which case y'all are getting ground under my boot heel.  Except Drew. 

178

And switch to decaf, Christoph.  That hair-trigger temper needs....tempering. 

179 At least until Alextopia finally arives, in which case y'all are getting ground under my boot heel.  Except Drew.

Wait! Why don't I get to be...oh not that kind of 'ground under your boot heel'. Never mind. And thanks.

180

just a comparison:

Were there massive protests, vandalism and violense at amercian mosques after 9/11? Im reffering to large organized protest such as were are seeing now?

Many mosques did indeed call for terrorism and the destruction of america, and some still do.

But we did not see protests, instead we heard calming soothing voices reminding us that not all muslims are terrorists.

So muslims were not persecuted by mobs of freakish people, mosques were not vandalized, obscenities were not shouted. Korans were not taken and trampled.

But after Prop 8, churches are being vandalized, weirdo mobs are protesting christians, and i have yet to hear "not all mormons are against gay marriage..."

I'm left thinking, that 9/11 didn't mean very much to this group, since we now see how they act when something does bother them. I cant come to any other conclusion.

to me these asshats are no different than skinheads in the 80s. racist bigots whith which i will not associate.

-lee
+++

181

Wow, who knew ace's had such a gay following ?

Well, I din't know.

 

182

There's been comments here on the issue of trying such crap in my church, and I have to agree on that.

If such a thing were to happen in the church I grew up in, I'd not have to lift a hand, wouldn't even get the chance to. Most of the men in my church are former military, and a lot of them are LEOs.

Hell, one of the elders of the church, when I was a youngster, was a Belleau Woods Marine. The old man still had 7 German machine gun bullets in his body.

183 At least until Alextopia finally arives, in which case y'all are getting ground under my boot heel.

Will there be pie? 'Cause I loves me some pie.....

184 @ Alex: I'm relying on my memory of what you wrote above to reply. I can't find the post and no I'm not lazy, just brain dead. I just finished a paper about a law case and I'm not a law student. I'm frazzled, so bear with me plz.

First, I probably shouldn't have said "get up off your arses." And by the tone of your reply it seems like you know stuff like that comes from frustration at seeing little old ladies harassed by big, bulky men. Thanks for being cool about that.

I think you compared your position to that of republicans in a country whose MSM is liberal dominated. Why can't you do some of the same things we (you?) do: write letters to companies or agencies that sponsor or otherwise support radical rallies and tell them you withdraw your own support of their business? The same for people like Ellen--find out who her show's sponsors are and organise a way to hit them in the purse. Persist in attempts to contact her and get her to see this kind of video and ask her if she approves of it and if not, why is she not speaking out against it?

Write letters to representatives, picket places, and yes, counter-demonstrate. I can't remember if you are the one who also compared non-violent gays to non-violent Germans, but I hardly think the two groups are analagous. Yes the MSM are doing their level best to ignore things like sex in churches (ufff did that really happen) and intimidation like what we saw on that video. But we are not yet in a position in which every single step of law and order will support the kind of chaotic criminal behavior they had circa 1940. One of these days an old lady will get smacked around and it will largely be the fault of people who said nothing, because previous to that the message the activist thugs got for their actions was, "Go ahead and keep doing it. We won't do anything about it." It's that kind of inaction and silence that leads to the climate you (or whoever) compared yourselves to.

And no, replying to people with "well, what are we supposed to do?" is, sorry, lame. You are allowing yourself to let them speak for you if that is pretty much all you are going to do about it. I never said it was easy, but doing nothing because it's hard is unacceptable.

185 The gays just need more Folsom Street Festival like parties in places like Savanna, GA, Huntsville, AL, Provo, UT, Mesquite, NV, Binghampton, NY, Dayton, OH, Louisville, KY, and Wheeling, WV.

These people just need to be exposed to the love and gay festivities, you know, with the public display of blowjobs, fisting, guys jerking off out the second story windows, sending a load of jiz down to open mouthed spectators (brings a whole new meaning to tossing beads) as well as just plain public pooper popping to go with the stands of vendors selling all sorts of neat toys.  Nothing beats a 14" Jesus Dildo with flavored lube.

I'm sure once normal people experience this type of gay love, they will see the error in their ways for voting for Prop 8.

Shame on them.

186

 

Phelps seriously disrupted the funeral of Matthew Shepard.  He is the flash point for action in "The Laramie Project", now a requirement for most high school students.  That is a very depressing fact.

187 I need to say up front, so no one misunderstands me, that I don't approve of the way that Christoph keeps asking me to join NAMBLA via email so he can get a sign-up bonus year for free. It's bad enough that Dish Network keeps trying to get me to do that sort of shit, but please, Christoph, cool it. You'll just have to pay for your NAMBLA membership like you normally do this year, IYKWIMAITTYD.

188 Of course there will be punch and pie in Alextopia.

And no, replying to people with "well, what are we supposed to do?" is, sorry, lame. You are allowing yourself to let them speak for you if that is pretty much all you are going to do about it. I never said it was easy, but doing nothing because it's hard is unacceptable.

I certainly hope that by asking for specific responses I was making clear that I was not simply whining "god, but what do you want me to doooooooo?"  That was not my point, what I was asking was a clarification as to what people meant, which you provided.  Thank you.

I'm probably one of the few people here who has actually punched a member of ACT UP in the face and then had to be physically hauled off him before I did try to cause more permanent harm, so I think my cred's established.

189 I have theories about the motivations of "movement gays" as opposed to those who are not militant activists that would likely please neither Gabe nor Ace, but that's a conversation for another day.

My comment for today is that it is interesting that these protests are not happening in Florida, where the margin of victory for a state constitutional amendment was far greater.

190 I'm probably one of the few people here who has actually punched a member of ACT UP in the face and then had to be physically hauled off him before I did try to cause more permanent harm


I'm honored that my comments get to appear on the same page as that one. We're not worthy!

191 Lets just say these guys didn't dress with pink versions of terrorist scarves out of accident or coincidence. They see terrorism works and want it to work for them.

192 At least until Alextopia finally arives, in which case y'all are getting ground under my boot heel.

There are people here who'd pay money for that.

193 This thread is  the polar opposite from that big-time gun thread of last week, that was fun. One world, here many discordant voices. Pull!

194 SF gays point to the Harvey Milk city hall torch and riot night as a seminal moment for gay activism and some of the NextGen gays want their names struck on the same brass plated plaque.

"We did it for justice" will be the mantra - as they steamroll some old Catholic lady.

195 Phelps is a Christian to the extent that McCain is a conservative.

196 I threw eggs at the Phelps crowd when they were in Jacksonville, NC. That being said, the people in this video are the ones who perpetuate the militant anti behavior. I'm not gay, and I believe in Jesus, but I believe you should shut up and vote. If it doesn't go your way, bitch and moan. DO NOT raise hell in the streets. I voted for McCain. I think we are in deep shit now that 0 won; but I didn't get in anyone's face when he didn't; it wasn't our time (or ACORN and the like fucked us in the poop-shoot). By God, they better pray to God that the right does not stoop to that mentality!!!!!

197 First of all, to those that assert that alex and robbie have not done enough to stop these kinds of people I say HOW THE FUCK WOULD YOU KNOW WHAT THEY'VE DONE? How dare you assume that because they are gay, they haven't spoken out in their desired capacity?

Second, there are probably a hundred "christian" preachers like Rev. Wright and Phelps preaching hatred across this country every Sunday. Do they represent all the Christians here? I haven't seen a lot of Christians speaking out, or acting out, against them. If Obama hadn't been friends with ol' Rev Wright, we wouldn't even be speaking against him today.

So, while you're all browbeating the gays here, perhaps you can take a moment to take a 2 x 4 across your own head for YOUR lack of efforts.

198 I'm probably one of the few people here who has actually punched a member of ACT UP in the face and then had to be physically hauled off him before I did try to cause more permanent harm

alexthechick,

You say I'm your favorite and then you and tell stories like this. You know this stuff makes me crazy like Gomez Addams when Ticia would speak French.

It's cruel I tell you. Cruel!

199

This isn't the alexthechick I thought I knew.

 

200 #197 > bravo

201 How dare you assume that because they are gay, they haven't spoken out in their desired capacity?

Ann, that connection is simply absurd.

*********

Alex: OK, you've made it clear. And by the way, will you please move to my neighborhood?

202 Gabe, I don't care about your sexual orientation, but promoting international law!?  Are you nuts!??

Also, I demand that you denounce waitresses that spit in your coffee before they bring it to you.  (Unless it's ordered that way, of course.)  Otherwise, I'll have to assume you silently support such spititudinous behavior.

203 I see that AlexTheChick has decided to occupy the ring and take all challengers. Bully for her. So now it's her turn:

Um, Alex....

You're a good person, and your presence here is appreciated.....

.....not that this appreciation means that I swing that way or anything, although in your case I might be open to persuasion.

204 "that connection is simply absurd. "

Really?  Because I don't think I'm the only one here that made that connection. 

205 Gabriel Malor, please denounce the Fruit of Islam.

206 You guys are all missing the point.

What this says to me is that we, the losers in the last general election, can protest and demand that Obama's victory be overturned because we don't agree with it.  Stomp our feet, push an elderly O supporter, whatever it takes to get our man in office.  Come on, it can happen, right? 

It just amazes me that people can put so much importance into the results of an election (Obama), then dismiss the will of the people when it doesn't go your way (prop .

207 I don't see where Gabe or ATC or anyone else owes more than they have done. Actually, ATC sounds like she goes above and beyond the call. The problem is that people on our end of the spectrum have lives we try to live out. For the savage fringe, this IS their lives. The only way you are going to counterbalance what they do would be to give up your own life as they have done. I wouldn't ask that of a friend or of a stranger.

If somebody wants to become an anti-ACT UP Batman devoting his or her life to thwarting the crazies, I'll send a check. Personally, I engage the people around me to advance the good and otherwise try to live well and provide a better life for my family. I wouldn't ask for more from anybody else. And I don't think gay/bi/Muslim/whatever people in general have special obligations to do more just because of who they are.

It may be in their self-interest to show their numbers and visibly oppose people who reflect badly on their groups as a whole, but it is not an obligation.

BTW, is there a reason ATC hasn't been promoted to co-blogger yet?

208 Wait. Gabe's gay? I thought he was just metro. Did this happen when I was away on my honeymoon?

209 Oh, and FOAD Chistoph.

210 And Bart's gay too? What the hell's goin on around here?

211 He had issues with his father.

212 Those that demand "tolerance" show none.  It's time for a beatdown!

213

Gay activists disrupt service then vandalize church.

Sorry, I don't know how to do tiny url so I added spaces.

http://www.anglican- mainstream.net /2008/11/11/gay-activists- disrupt-mount- hope-church- lansing-mi/

214

Again....from before....can't we just all get along.

First of all, Christians have for a long time been denouncing Phelps.

Secondly, the true issue is that Prop 8 lost by the same margin as the presidency.  So President Obama is a mandate and Prop 8 won by a narrow margin? 

I can only say how truly I empathize with a conservative gay American.  I know how much you love your country and how hard it is for you to fight for it. But you should fight for it the right way, by example, and perhaps by offering up the best civil union agreements you can.  By letting your fellow gays act this way and not denouncing it does nothing for you. 

 

 

215

72 Why aren't these protesters attacking the black churches?

'Cause the first time they got in the face of some sweet little gramma who happens to have a grandson armed to the upper teeth, with a boatload of Crip or Blood homies, they'd be hamburger.

That reminds me of a PJ O'Rourke observation;

"The reason that animal rights activists protest fur and not leather is that it's much easier to harass rich women than motorcycle gangs"

I really don't care if gays marry or not, I voted for Prop 8 because of past actions just like those protestors in this case. They roll out the drama about THEIR rights, but want the government to shut down and silence any church which sees homosexuality as a sin.

 

216 Anger and hate on both sides? Really?

Fucking really?

That lady who was protesting the protesters appeared to have been acting very calmly and surprisingly dignified as she was attacked and shouted down.

Anger and hate on both sides?

Really?

I was thinking the same exact thing. I love how these mealy mouthed pc bullshit artists in the media feel it's their duty to cover for the worst elements of society.

217 Hope I'm not putting a target on her back, but G-d bless Kimberly Chang for protecting that woman.  That "we are under attack" was very brave of her.  In more than one way.

218 "that connection is simply absurd. "

Really?  Because I don't think I'm the only one here that made that connection.

Ann, you need to get down off that horse before you fall. I can only speak for myself but I never said Alex or Robbie (whoever that is) wasn't doing enough--it was a generalised discussion that amongst other things addressed this issue with some individuals denying people like the ones in the video represent them and then people like me wondering then where the hell are all the dissenters. And I never said I thought this way because they are gay; I said it because of the attempt at dissasociation.

And given that you don't know jack shit about me or what I do (beyond the obvious framework descriptives, such as being conservative), I'd say you commenting on my alleged "lack of effort" is pretty rich.

219

"If there's anything else completely obvious you would like me to denounce just so we can get it out of the way, feel free to let me know."

Gabe, I haven't seen you denounce cancer yet, you tumor-loving bastard.

 

220 Ms. thechick,

I am VERY intrigued by your Alextopia ideas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

And cable channel.

221

Everything smart to say has already been said.  And some are working on finding everything stupid to say.

Gabe, ATC, Robbie, et al have no need to defend themselves.  Anyone who displays an ounce of the same intelligence they have demonstrated numerous times would know their positions on these curs jostling a grandmother without asking.

It's my own opinion that they should have the right to be just as miserable as the rest of us, but I really don't care all that much to begin with.  I'm more interested in good fences, deep moats, and clean fields of fire.

222 Gabriel Malor, please denounce Daniel Cowart and Paul Schlesselman.

223 Gabriel Malor, please denounce Jeffrey Dahmer.

224 Gabriel Malor, please denounce lint.

225

Um why would it even be an issue that this sh!t happened? "OH NO there are gay people who *gasp* blog here quick since they are gay, and these other people are gay, they will be able to magically switch on the magic gaydar and mind-read those people in California and figger out why they are spitting on an old woman!! And then if they don't denounce teh other gay people for that it must mean they want to spit on old women too and so do all gay peolple!!1111!!!one!!!one"

Would it be a bad idea to suggest that this kinda thing not even be brought up at all here since all it does is use up brain resources from people like Gabriel M which could be used to blog on something like, um I dunno, legal issues, supreme court appointments, etc. People you do realise that you get a qualification to be a lawyer but there is no "bar exam" you have to pass to be gay, right? Personally I'd druther hear the guy write about stuff that is actually important instead of "oh we need the authority of an actual REAL GHEY MAN to tell us that gay people shouldn't spit on old women any more than straight people, but luckily that behaviour does not represent gay people, nor does it contribute anything meaningful to the gay marriage debate" blha blah blah

226 "But they do represent a perpetually seething, decidedly countercultural aspect of the Gay Left that frankly gives the rest of us the shivering douchechills and sometimes makes us want to affirmatively just stick a thumb in their eyes (in political terms)."

Indeed.

I for one, have no guilt whatsoever left anymore that we stuck it right between their fascist eyes.

As I commented on Hotair, I refuse to apologize for how I feel any longer.

These fascist crybabies expect be to respect them with behavior like this.

Not going to happen.

And they, like the rest of us, will be judged.

They ought to look themselves in the mirror, and see what they've become.

227 Oh, and if I'd have been in that church, these bastards would have found out very quickly what the Second Amendment is all about.

228 There may not be a "bar exam" to become gay, but I do hear there is one hell of an initiation...

229 I am a conservative who voted against the gay marriage ban here in Florida.  There is no two ways about it...it's discriminatory.    But it's just silly for people to continue to just attack Christians and Republicans and Southerners and Blacks for these bans when they can't even get the state of California to vote for gay marriage.    The majority of Californians let this happen.  Because the gay issue just isn't that important to them.  Yet nobody wants to blame liberals for this mess.  But if you don't turn out and vote for these things, and the people on the opposite side do...then you are responsible for what happens.  You white, "I take no blame" California liberals were against gay marriage and you will all try to blame somebody else but your vote doesn't lie.    However the black vote against gay marriage just further proves what this ban is really about.  It's not about hate...it's about another group of people (heterosexuals) acting like victims and demanding that they receive special treatment (like affirmative action) because that's what everyone does now...whine.     Every group wants their own set of special rights now.  Every groups feels they need special entitlements from the government because of who they are.  You see the world differently than me?  Hater.  Heteros do it and transexuals do it.  Everyone does it.    The only strange thing now is that a group of people (the California electorate) who hasn't been labeled as homophobic by the liberal elite has now done something they weren't supposed to do and banned it right in the center of liberalism.  And they can't let that happen.    Now these liberals are going to try to get a recently passed amendment overturned because the vote didn't go the way they wanted.  They are telling the electorate that if you don't vote the way you are supposed to then your vote doesn't count and we will sue the hell out of you until your opinion is overturned.  And we'll yell at people.    The problem here is that there is the potential to do far more damage by the state by discouraging the electorate from even voting by telling them they're wrong and the vote should be overturned.  They just should have never let this thing get on the ballot.  They're making themselves look much worse than anyone who opposed this amendment.  This is just a perfect example of the ACLU mentality nowadays of "democracy by lawsuit".   

230 and all this while the media begs us to accept barry

231

There is no two ways about it...it's discriminatory

if you think it's wrong, how is discriminatory? i voted no cause i dont give a damn who marries but  that right there w/ all due respct was a stupid comment. it's like telling someone who thinks abortion is wrong that they're discriminating against it

232

Um why would it even be an issue that this sh!t happened? "OH NO there are gay people who *gasp* blog here quick since they are gay, and these other people are gay, they will be able to magically switch on the magic gaydar and mind-read those people in California and figger out why they are spitting on an old woman!! And then if they don't denounce teh other gay people for that it must mean they want to spit on old women too and so do all gay peolple!!1111!!!one!!!one"

Would it be a bad idea to suggest that this kinda thing not even be brought up at all here since all it does is use up brain resources from people like Gabriel M which could be used to blog on something like, um I dunno, legal issues, supreme court appointments, etc. People you do realise that you get a qualification to be a lawyer but there is no "bar exam" you have to pass to be gay, right? Personally I'd druther hear the guy write about stuff that is actually important instead of "oh we need the authority of an actual REAL GHEY MAN to tell us that gay people shouldn't spit on old women any more than straight people, but luckily that behaviour does not represent gay people, nor does it contribute anything meaningful to the gay marriage debate" blha blah blah

it's about what the state of marriage is clown, jesus christ makes me wanna vote yes when clowns like this make stupid comments on how people are bigots and crap over this

233

This is the big problem these days.  The media loves to make the views of the vocal few the views of the majority, but only in those situations that forward their agenda.  In this case, a group of cranks are made to speak for the majority since the media are big advocates of gay marriage.  If this had been a bunch of evangelicals protesting in favor of gay marriage, they would be classified as renegades fighting for justice against the mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging GOP.

234 indga expressed some "Christian love" and wrote:

The One with whom gays have a problem is God.

Incorrect.  Gays have a problem with Christians; specifically, with their vicious treatment of gays.  God doesn't give a shit one way or another.  If your god really had any power, he would de-gay every gay on the planet immediately.  Don't give me that "free will" shit, either.  Your god violated Pharoah's free will and made him his puppet, look it up in your Bible!  "Moses and Aaron performed all these wonders before Pharaoh, but the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, and he would not let the Israelites go out of his country." (Ex 11:10)

The violation of the church, the attack on Christians is just a symptom of the Daddy-problem. It is His Word, and it is He who has inspired it We cannot be true to our faith if we don't believe His Word.

"His word" (and you incorrectly capitalized "his" which is an example of "puffed up faith") actually came from hundreds of contradictory manuscripts spawning hundreds of weird Christian-y sects.  Then the Council of Nicea basically voted on which Christianity was the real one.  The Bible was written by committee, not by your god.

Attacking us Christians won't change the Word. The problem for gays is this: how to attack God? Their answer: through His children. That's why they come for us.

I don't give a shit about your invisible, impotent, and wholly undetectable gay sky fairy.  I attack you because you attack me.  It's called self-defense.

Not incidentally, for you, self-defense is a sin.  Jesus himself said, "Do not resist an evil person." (Matthew 5:39)  Are you permitted to resist an evil person?  No, you are not.  It is forbidden.  PERIOD.  If you *do* resist an evil person, then you are living in sin and might as well be a faggot.  You are separated from your god and you will burn in hell forever!

Anyway, forgive them. How they are is Adam's fault.

I do not forgive you, nor do I have to (or have to pretend to, like you do).  Let's take a look at god's word:

"A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety." 1 Tim 2:11-15

Any woman who has authority over a man is sinning, might as well be a faggot, and will burn in hell forever!  Furthermore, your words "How they are is Adam's fault" is an unbiblical lie.  Adam was not the one deceived.  It was the woman who was deceied and became a sinner!

Let's continue with our Bible study:

"For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death."  Ex 31:15

The Sabbath is so important that it's one of the ten-fucking-commandments.  Being gay did NOT make the ten.  Have you ever worked on a Saturday, even once?

"All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God's name and our teaching may not be slandered." 1 Tim 6:1

Does this mean that slaves of muslims should consider their masters worthy of full respect, or does that mandate only apply to Christian slaveholders?

235 You shudda used stronger terms to denounce Richard Simons. 

236 How Gabe was to know to precognitively denounce something that hadn't happened yet is beyond me.

He needs to upgrade his cable package to get ESPN and ESPN2, then he'd know ahead of time.

237

I can't help thinking about the demise of Jeff Dahmer - when Mr. Blue brought up the name - and the fact that we never used him to full advantage.

I mean, here we go with all these CIA and military interrogators useing "torture" at great cost in time and reputation, when we could have simply offered up the chance of time in the same cell with Jeff.  ("Not torture Sir, just a routine reorganization of prisoners").

Talk about sleep deprivation!  A few days of watching Jeff and wondering when it might be snack time should loosen the tongue of even the most committted torrorist.

And not a bad plan either for the domestic terrorists who are the subject of this thread.

238 Why are all the prop 8 protestors overweight balding white guys? I'm starting to worry about that demographic.

239 Gee, SuprKufr, thanks for the exegesis. Isn't it odd that the vast, vast bulk of Christianity disagrees with your take? I guess they just aren't as familiar with the material as you are. Keep reading, though. It's good for the soul.

240

If you are going to condemn Gabe, do it for something he has actually done.  Like support international law.

So he's now gone an about face on that as well?  Last I checked he was anti-UNCLOS.

241 Isn't it a federal felony to get a group of your friends together and disrupt a church service?

242 The gay nazis practicers of intolerence and not a word from the left-wing lie a day news media

243 Isn't it a federal felony to get a group of your friends together and disrupt a church service?

Posted by: scaramouche at November

No- you're confusing it with peacefully praying outside of an abortion clinic.

 An understandable mistake...

244

Comment scoring only works for what /. would call "informative" posts.

Look at LGF. The commenters there ding up "red-meat" posts with little or no content. There's nothing in the comment system to distinguish a decently-written observation, from some fartbrain typing "they blow up so fast" for the 2000th time. Each will get a +4.

Also, going against groupthink, no matter how well reasoned, will net you a "-2". Some people are insecure and they WILL ding you down for challenging them.

245 #238 -- They can't score in the bars anymore.  Time to settle down with a youngster with low expectations.

246

SuprKufr's take on how Christianity came about is pretty much spot-on. If you have a problem with that then you have a problem with history.

However he's defining "Christian" as biblical literalist. Catholics do preach from the Bible, but in day to day life they look to the example of the Saints as well. And Protestants owe more to Catholicism than they care to admit.

To give one example, western Christians (except maybe Quakers) ignore Jesus's commandments against self-defense on "just war" theory; those commandments are an ideal in the Kingdom of God, but they don't take precedence over survival in this fallen world. Eastern "nestorian" Christians are more peaceful, I understand; but that hasn't worked out too well for them.

247 VRWC Agent wrote:

Gee, SuprKufr, thanks for the exegesis. Isn't it odd that the vast, vast bulk of Christianity disagrees with your take?

What did I write that was untrue or inaccurate?  Please be specific and quote scripture to back your argument up.

248

SuprKufr, I'm telling you that your mockery is only relevant to Scripture-based churches. It doesn't apply to Catholics, or Copts, or Episcopalians, or even most mainline Protestants (anymore). As you've already pointed out, the Church wrote and selected the Scripture, not the other way around. Attacking the Scripture isn't going to change Christianity. What if the Church calls another synod and selects different Scriptures?

(I wouldn't be surprised if the New Testament gets changed in my lifetime. The Apocrypha is already getting shuffled around. The Didache (e.g.) gets cited a lot for its anti-abortion stance, and in modified form it's been in the Ethiopic canon for centuries; as for the books currently there now, I don't recall ever hearing 2 Peter from the pulpit.)

There is enough idiocy on this thread; indga's "a problem with God" post was particularly obnoxious. But your attack on all Christianity is bigoted and ignorant.

249 David Ross:

SuprKufr, I'm telling you that your mockery is only relevant to Scripture-based churches. It doesn't apply to Catholics, or Copts, or Episcopalians, or even most mainline Protestants (anymore).

I appreciate what you're saying, and I suspect that we likely agree on many issues, but what you are saying is simply not true.  All of those groups put some kind of value in scripture, so to say that they are NOT "scripture-based" is ridiculous.  If not from scripture, then from where do any of those groups get notions of the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus Christ?  Now you can argue that those churches are not sola scriptura, but that is a different argument.

As you've already pointed out, the Church wrote and selected the Scripture, not the other way around. Attacking the Scripture isn't going to change Christianity. What if the Church calls another synod and selects different Scriptures?

The only scriptures which might possibly be in question are the deutero-canonical books which are used by Catholics and rejected by Protestants.  It's not like Christians are in wild, massive dispute over whether Matthew, Mark, and Luke ought be considered inspired.  The issue was settled long ago.

And I'm not trying to change Christianity.  I am trying to weaken indga's faith.  You know, to inspire some more lukewarm sentiments toward that individual's god.

There is enough idiocy on this thread; indga's "a problem with God" post was particularly obnoxious. But your attack on all Christianity is bigoted and ignorant.

My attack wasn't against Christianity -- it was against indga's faith.  You may very well employ the interpretive tradition withing Christianity to change the meaning of the vile 1 Tim 2:11-15, and it would be to your honor to do so.  (An interpretive tradition is something that is *sorely* lacking and *desperately* needed within Islam.)  The fact is that indga's faith, which he or she calls "Christinaity", has targeted me for denigration, abuse, and destruction.  So I counter-attack against the faith of indga, and the weapon I will use is the Bible because that is simply the single-most effective weapon to use for the task at hand.

I apologize to you for offending you.  I have nothing against you.  But I have the right to self-defense, and any faith-based attack against me will elicit a Bible-based attack against their faith.  Every time, without fail.  Perhaps you would be capable of more empathy if you had been called "reprobate" or "deviant" or "pervert" or "abomination" or told that you would "burn in hell forever" just a few hundred more times by Christians who insisted that they loved you and simultaneously hated the shit out of everything you did.

250 God doesn't give a shit one way or another. If your god really had any power, he would de-gay every gay on the planet immediately.

This kind of ignorance about religion, theology, and God is just painful to watch. It's like a five year old lecturing dad on how to fix the car because he watched a mechanic change a tire once. You're out of your depth, son. Stop while you are ahead.

All of those groups put some kind of value in scripture, so to say that they are NOT "scripture-based" is ridiculous. If not from scripture, then from where do any of those groups get notions of the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus Christ?

Personal choice, and what they want to believe in. They pick and choose what they like in the Bible, reject the rest, and add things from the outside. That means they're the source, not scripture.

Oh, and one final word on discriminatory. I get tired of saying this but apparently it has to be repeated over and over because people just don't think.

Discrimination is not in and of its self wrong. When I pick an apple pie instead of a strawberry-rhubarb pie, I've showed discrimination. When I date Suzy instead of Sally, I've discriminated. Discrimination is merely making a choice between two different things, in a certain sense it is a virtue to be discriminating: it shows you have some manner of determining one thing over another.

When discrimination is a problem is when you add something else to the choice. If you discriminate unjustly, unfairly, or illegally, you have done wrong. It is the injustice, the unfairness and the illegality that is the problem, not the discrimination.

251 What did I write that was untrue or inaccurate? Please be specific and quote scripture to back your argument up.

Biblical interpretation involves a bit more than cherry picking verses from Google. And since I've had more than a few sterile proof-texting exchanges in the past, it would greatly speed the process if you would volunteer your exegetical approach and familiarity with the source materials.

Your post suggests that you are either unmindful or dismissive of the fact the people who center their lives around scripture generally or Christianity specifically have been tilling this field for thousands of years. Consider me just an average mainstream Christian of the non-"fundamentalist" variety and please advise as to what ground we share in our approach to interpretation.

In case it isn't clear, you sound like a lame poser and this thread isn't big enough to drag you unwilling through a decade or two of Sunday School.

252

it's about what the state of marriage is clown, jesus christ makes me wanna vote yes when clowns like this make stupid comments on how people are bigots and crap over this

Posted by: YRM at November 12, 2008 06:57 AM (004wR)

Um wow you can haz reading comprehension? My point was that threads like this are hijacked into Gabriel or other gay peeps who post here having to explain their own positions in light of other people's actions and it just seems like a giant waste of time, at least to me. It's my opinion, feel free to disagree with it; and do try and at least get a basic grasp on what I weas actually saying before you decide to run your mouth off. And no, the issue is not the state of marriage. The issue is that these clowns are trying to circumvent the democratic process. The proposition passed already, in case you noticed. And if you can find where I called anyone a bigot please let me know, I must have been sleep-typing when I wrote that because that sure as hell  wasn't the point I was going for. And no I'm not gay, I don't particularly like the concept of homosexuality at all, before you go off on yet another stupid tangent. God I hate stupid people, thanks for pissing me off right at the start of my day.

253 Did anyone notice the newscaster at the end of the clip saying there was plenty of hate on bath sides?  Did he watch the same video as I did?  Look like all the hatred was on one side in that clip.  Just more MSM bias. 

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