1

This country is run by people we didn't elect !

2 these are not the droids you're looking for

3 This is the article that was causing Heart-ache at HuffPo. Yesterday they were all calling on Obama to close Gitmo on Jan 21. Guess that won't be happening.

4 change

5

Are you saying that people have been Hoodwinked and Bamboozled?

Racist!

6 Why is it I get the distinct impression that Obama is just a front man/puppet?  The real "president" is a mass secretive group who are the ones actually dictating what will happen.  I know all presidents have their advisors, but this is an entirely different feeling I'm picking up on.  I think Obama has no idea what his beliefs & convictions are, aside from what others tell him.  This is the most frightening thing of all.

7 This could also be a classic case of not realizing what is really going on until you get those Presidential Daily Briefings.  Yes, Obama, this whole "being President" deal may be tougher than you thought.  Pres. Bush is going to be looking like a total champion in about 7 months.  People are going to start to realize how much he actually did to cover our asses.  Obama is looking even worse than Clinton right now.  At least Clinton went through the process of doing some opinion polling before making decisions.  That way he knew he was making the "popular" choice.  Obama is just throwing shit on the wall and if it doesn't stick, he's scrubbing it and throwing some more shit.

8 At the end of all this, Barry O da Media Ho is gonna make Jimmah Carter look like some sort of fucking genius....

9 This is the article that was causing Heart-ache at HuffPo


Hide the screwdrivers!

10 Ha ha.

Another fault line to add to "gays vs blacks" and "Enviros vs auto workers".

I'm not sure whether to feel amusement or pity for the people who spent the last several years screeching about "Bush torture". I guess I'll settle for contempt.

11 Hide the screwdrivers!

*snort*  Good one!

12 Maybe, just maybe Obama got bitch-slapped by reality when he got his intel brief the other day.

But I kinda doubt it.

13 <block>Why is it I get the distinct impression that Obama is just a front man/puppet? </block>

Now you're talkin.

14 Obama was just saying whatever he could think of to get elected???? NO WAY!  I guess only 48% of the country saw this coming.  To the other 52%: enjoy defending this clown for the next 4 years!

15 The problem with Obama is he is beholden to too many special interest groups that want so many different and competing things. He will never be able to satisfy anybody.

He has been the President elect for a week and he or members of his team
have had to backtrack, clarify or repudiate something that was said or promised in his name. It's going to be a *fascinating 4 years.

* And by fascinating I mean fraught with peril and danger that might
not be possible to undo.

16 HuffPo has disabled comments for that story. Hmm.

17 Yeah this is gonna be fun watching all of the special interests tug on Obama for the scraps they feel they so richly deserve.

18 I am standing by my predication regarding this administration ... major in-fighting coming.  It will be know as Obama and the battle of the petty bourgeois bureaucrats. Own it Obots own it. This is what happens when you go for feelings over leadership.

19 Obama is the black Bushitler!

20 "But this is another situation where he doesn't seem to stand for anything"

His entire campaign was built on this concept .......get used to it.

21

Forget it people, this is just another one of those “test the waters leaks”. A sort of informal poll to determine if it offends his allies in the media.  

22 Heh, so Obama could concievably be the next President Grant?

That's gotta be some rich thick irony there.

23 I like the way we cleverly tricked the Dems into electing a deep under-cover mole from the VRWC.

Once he nominates Bork to the Supreme Court our master plan will be complete.

24 No, the MSM is still waiting for their orders.  Once THE ONE determines that the Gitmo crowd is "very dangerous", they'll be praising him to the high heavens for keeping them locked away and making us all safe!

25 I thought Joe Biden was going to mentor Obama? Where is Joe?

26 The CW is that the McCain campaign was the worst ever. Maybe so, but we are now witnessing the worst transition ever. And we still have ten more weeks of this shit.

27

I'm sure when he got the briefings detailing the various terrorist groups that are and always will be plotting to assassinate the POTUS, his perspective on the situation got a bit more personal.

It is an enduring truth that things look different when they're shooting at you.

28 For a guy that is deathly afraid of embarrassing himself or admitting he is wrong, i find all the flip flopping very suspect. This guy has followed a script almost to the T" for the last 3 months, minute by minute. I'm finding it hard to believe he is going off script now.  He's not changing positions either it "he may" or "it's possible". He's cultivated this public persona for years-doesn't it seem odd that suddenly they are screwing up again and again with the flip flopping? Almost feels like he wants to divert your attention away from something else and focus on this

29 he'll just use his powers to spy on Right wingers of course

30 There is always infighting and difference of opinion in any organization.  The problem comes when you don't have a leader to make it work.  Difference of opinion is good, because it brings ideas that people may not have thought about.  But at some point the "leader" has to say "enough" and call the shots.  Most great leaders have a general purpose or mission statement that they abide by with certain standards.  So they can apply most decisions to that.  This guy either doesn't stand for anything, or what he stands for (read Marxism) can't be let out of the bag too soon.

31 I'm hanging on to a sliver of hope that his intelligence briefings scared some sense into him.

32

Obama wanted to get elected, and everyone behind him saw a blank slate onto which they could project their own desires.  That seems to be what's happening, why there are so many voices that claim one thing, then counter it later that day.  His advisers, etc, are probably ignoring him and going for what they want.

Since he's never been criticised (or ever taken any of it to heart, anyway) I'm sure he's fairly baffled by all this.

33 Upon review, Mr. Obama may decide he wants to keep the road open in certain cases for the CIA to use techniques not approved by the military, but with much greater oversight.

Heh. Looks like they may be waking Mr. Obama up in the morning with a hot, steaming cup of "the world is a lot more complicated than I thought".

At least, this is what I hope is the case.

34

I think this is Gabe's best work yet.  I have been pondering these issues:  what happens when the new pres can't make any real moves because they will cause serious international, economic, and security problems?  He will be undermined and blasted by those who chose him.  Unfortunately there is a house of cards about to be collapsed, and there will only be "hope for a little change" left.

Happy Veterans Day to all of you morons who served or are still serving.

35

Hey, you know what?

Obama is measuring the drapes!

36 You have to be nuts or suicidal to fully believe in the ideology of the far left, anyone with an ounce of intellect knows it is the path to tyranny.

I have believed from the beginning that he will probably govern as a moderate. He is focusing on the next election and will want to make little changes as he goes along, nothing too big that will shock the sensibilities of the citizenry.

He is going to suck, that's for sure, but I see his flip flopping as a positive sign.

My biggest concern is the economy and immigration, he is wrong on both of these so that is where he will probably suck the most donkey.

37

I remember when McCain voted down that bill that would limit the CIA to using army field manual techniques.  All the loopy lefties were screaming that McCain voted for torture.  Is the loony left saying the same thing about Obama?  Pfft.  What am I talking about?  These freaks never let hypocrisy stand in the way of running their mouths.  (The funny thing is, they're clueless about their own hypocrisy.  They really think they're being consistent.)

This could also be a classic case of not realizing what is really going on until you get those Presidential Daily Briefings. 

I think you've got it.  I don't think this change is due to his conflicting interest groups.  However, I think those conflicting interest groups are bound to come to a head during his term:

Hispanics versus Unions with regard to immigration reform

Nanny state afficianados versus Investment Banker types (he got a crap load of money from Wall Street) with regard to increased taxes (esp capital gains)

Jewish voters versus neo-con conspiracy theorist liberals with regard to Israel

We've already seen one conflict play out: Black voters that supported Prop 8  (70%) versus gay voters

38 For the most part, just about any administration will face the same constraints in addressing national security threats. Public opinion isn't going to go to far from wanting bad guys punished. So while Obama may fuck things up there pretty well, he won't cause the collapse of the Republic on that front.

The sphere in which he will do real damage is in the greater reliance upon the government by an ever larger portion of the populace. That's where we need to fight tooth and nail.

There used to be a time when the Democrat/Republican approaches to foreign policy were almost identical. The real struggle was always about how to define the role of the government in our day to day lives. And if conservatives can get back to our traditional stance there, that will be our winning message.

39 Apophis needs to keep his interrogation options open.  Some of us may not be toeing the line.

40 Man - even the Bible doesn't talk about every single little thing that Jesus did. This is going to be a real long annoying 4 years. We can probably expect an Obama Action Email alert everytime a White House toilet flushes.

41

This is worrisome, from a 'stand back and take in the big picture' perspective. I mean, a bad plan is better than no plan at all, and I really think that Obama's (if not the entire Democratic party's) plan was simply Not Bush.

Not Bush is not a plan. They don't have a plan. And they've cultivated a base for eight years whose main political philosophy was Not Bush.

Now they have to go from being a mere negative, to some sort of positive, proactive governance and execution of what Bush was unable to wrap up in his eight years.

Instead of speaking real pretty, Obama now has to act.

In a way, I wish Obama luck. He needs it, as we do. But I'm sure it's our enemies in the Middle East, Russia, and Venezuela who consider themselves lucky right now.

42 He'll get a few passes from the MSM for "nuanced" changes like this. But, man, if they ever get sick of this and turn on him... He depends COMPLETELY on the media and 'associates' witholding his past and present.

43 just about any administration will face the same constraints in addressing national security threats.

Sure. But Obama's most passionate supporters, at least on the internet, have made Bush's "spying" and "torture" their Number One Issue. So I'm going to enjoy their reactions to this.

44

We can probably expect an Obama Action Email alert everytime a White House toilet flushes

 

Nah, we will just hear that OBama lost another advisor.

 

45
The one reason I favored Hillary over Obama is that I knew she could be pushed to accept sensible policies under political duress and the demands of the realities of governance. To be honest, I am very glad that this appears to be true of Obama as well. So what if he's fucking Zelig, just so's he is OUR fucking Zelig.

We'll kneecap the bastard in the next election with his betrayal of his base, but for now it's a matter of positive and negative reinforcement - carrot and the stick. He drops AWB, pat him on the head, "nice doggie." He talks about releasing Gitmo thugs, whack him with a newspaper.

46 Obama wanted to get elected, and everyone behind him saw a blank slate onto which they could project their own desires.

I've never understood this. Dude's got the most liberal voting record in the Senate. That's hardly a blank slate.

47 Well, maybe the Obama people will all turn on one another--that would be divine.

48 Don't forget that he already voted for the telecom immunities bill. It really looks like the anti-war/civil liberties left is fucked.

Of course I've always thought that the majority of them were only anti-war because they were anti-Bush, so they'll get over it quickly.

49

I'm sure when he got the briefings detailing the various terrorist groups that are and always will be plotting to assassinate the POTUS, his perspective on the situation got a bit more personal.

It is an enduring truth that things look different when they're shooting at you.

There's that, and there's also my suspicion that those briefings involved "here are the three or four 9/11-scale terroriss attacks we'ved stopped the past 7 years, here's the actionable intelligence we used to stop them, and here's how we got that info at Gitmo."  To which The One's reaction has been "OHSHITOHSHITOHSHITOHSHIT" as the enormity of the reality of what he's actually getting into hits him in the face and makes him piss himself in panic and wish McCain had won.

Most of his "advisers" don't get access to those briefings.

50 Apparently the puppet's strings are all tangled.

51

HuffPo has disabled comments for that story.

And just how soon after January 20 before Barry is gonna be looking around for a [ Disable Comments ] button of his very own?!  Look for some sort of "Fairness in Media Council" or somesuch crap to be set up to allow him to "guide" the media.  And all the big bad brave defenders of our right to know?  They will fall over each other to see who can sell out the fastest, the better to curry the most favor.  You just watch.

52

The Administration-elect is only a week old and already it's foundering because of a lack of leadership.

Yeah, it's a fuckin' mess already.

53 Dave (#49) - Heh, you are so right!! Time to hit the panic button and keep Gitmo open just a little bit longer, I am thinking! I am just praying he does not screw up so badly as to cause another 9/11 attack here or anywhere else, for that matter.

54 Well, maybe the Obama people will all turn on one another--that would be divine.

And if we can help facilitate this scenario through a little disinformation, maskirovka and political guerrilla warfare, that would be an honorable endeavor.

55

This is pretty much Obama's SOP - he puts a staffer out to float potentially controversial topics, and if there's adverse reaction he calmly disavows the staffer's "inartful" words.  How many staffers has he fired or disciplined for freewheeling, making up policy as they go?

Somewhere between not any and none.  Which tells me they are not making it up as they go, but operating according to Obama's directions.

56 Of course the Obamabots support aggressive interrogation techniques. How else will they interrogate and re-educate the bitter, clingy 48%?

57 And, I forgot to mention, I'm sure those briefings also involved, "here are the real-life, real-world consequences that have already happened because you threatened to invade Pakistan.  These are, of course, only the ones we know of so far."

58 Today's Demo party...the ultimate special interest trick bag. And as a bagholder, you never know day to day whether what you end up grabbing is going to kiss you or try to rip your throat out.

59 Did anyone see the movie "PCU" (Politically Correct University)? Basically, nothing can get done because anything you do will piss off someone.

Just saying it may be a good instructional video for this administration.

60 I figured this would happen. Just after the primaries, I remember telling some Obama supporters that if they really wanted to end "torture" and close Gitmo then they should vote for McCain. McCain's views on torture are longstanding and deep personal convinctions based on his own POW experiences. Obama's opposition is a flimsy political convenience that he'd probably abandon once he understood the big picture. Likewise on privacy and intelligence gathering, where McCain's every move would be under scrutiny while Obama does whatever he wants. But, predictably, they preferred to stay in their comfy little political boxes and hope for change.

61

Why is it I get the distinct impression that Obama is just a front man/puppet? 

I'm sure he knows that he's being pulled, I just wonder if he's aware of how many and how tuff those strings are.  He may yet shed those, or he may just become a manequin ("stick to the State dinners and partys, Barry").  I can only hope that the intercine warfare in the O administration doesn't hurt the US too bad.

62 obama isn't a leader.  he wasn't a leader in Illinois-he took his marching orders from Emil Jones, a person who makes Mushmouth from the Cosby Kids sound literate and intelligent.  he wasn't a leader in the Senate.  he wasn't a leader when he was a community organizer.  do people expect there to be a magical transformation upon election to a decisive leader who thinks for himself and is the "decider".  it doesn't happen that way.  expect the leaks to flow like water, even worse than with Bush given the caliber of people Obama surrounds himself with. 

63
This is pretty much Obama's SOP - he puts a staffer out to float potentially controversial topics, and if there's adverse reaction he calmly disavows the staffer's "inartful" words.

Clinton did the same thing.

Start watching public opinion polls on different issues. There will be polls showing support for liberal issues like taxpayer funded abortions for teenagers, etc. -- the MSM will trumpet results and Obama will propose federal programs to implement them. That's how Clinton worked. Obama will do the same.

64 If a leak flows to the media, and they don't publish it, does it make any sound?


If I was a leaker in the Obama administration I'd be afraid to leak to the MSM. They'd probably refuse to run the story, and would also inform my boss of my disloyalty. The media are Obama's enforcers, not his watchdogs.

65 This would be interesting to follow - if we could - but we can't...

I can easily picture Obama going toward two extremes:  Carter or Kennedy.

Carter wanted to pull our troops out of South Korea because of Park Chung-Hee's authoritarian rule.  He also lowered the status of US relations with the likes of Iran due to human rights issues.

Kennedy, however, was a black ops kinda guy who wanted to kill Castro.

I'd have to guess Obama would lean much more toward the Kennedy school of using power quietly than Carter's trying to practice what he preached.

Obama is the kind of ego that gets opponents tossed off ballots, uses ACORN, and shuts down the default screening of campaign donations.   --- I got to figure he is arrogant enough to be willing to play dirty if he thought HIS government was on the side of the righteous.  

Carter had that sincere Christian doubt about even power he controlled.  I don't see that in Obama's past and recent political moves.

66
"Why is it I get the distinct impression that Obama is just a front man/puppet?"

I doubt that very much. If so, who's the puppet-master - Joe Biden?

No, this is a guy who has spent his career reading obtuse books on social theory, sliding out of every tough situation he could possibly avoid (remember the ~130 "present" votes?), and who sold himself nine ways from Sunday in order to build up an overwhelming war chest for the election.

But now this oleaginous fellow finds himself in a situation where (1) there's no running or hiding, and (2) the folks who shelled out that $600 million want their money's worth, but (3) the hard, nasty, sharp-cornered world demands tough decisions that affect the lives of millions and the fate of nations.

Well, 52, you wanted your snake-oil salesman, you got your snake-oil salesman. Reality is a bitch, isn't it?

67

Folks,

Obama's first major scandal, the intentional disabling the AVS security system on his credit card donations page, has officially been swept under the rug, forever.

The FEC will not audit the Obama campaign's fundraising, because he's now a "sitting president."

Politico:

"Obama is expected to escape that level of scrutiny mostly because he declined an $84 million public grant for his campaign that automatically triggers an audit and because the sheer volume of cash he raised and spent minimizes the significance of his errors. Another factor: The FEC, which would have to vote to launch an audit, is prone to deadlocking on issues that inordinately impact one party or the other – like approving a messy and high-profile probe of a sitting president."

68

"I say "appears" to be flopping because this has all the hallmarks of the other situations where he comes along in 8 hours and offers a "clarification"."

Hillary supporters have a name for this we call it his WORM or "what Obama Really Meant" since he oftens says something, (usually slips up and tells the truth about his thoughts or plans) and then when there is outrage a few hours later they come out with a WORM and changes things completely.. And of course the MSM never calls him on his original statement.

 I predict many many  WORMs

69 Oh, they'll use torture alright.  Whenever they interogate christianists or other percieved conservatives.  

70 Maybe it's time to print up those "Obama = Bush's Third Term" bumper stickers?

71

obama might be keeping it an option to use once his buddy ayers gets those re-education camps after the take over is complete!! 

72 #67:

No surprise there.  Why follow the rules when no one cares enough to enforce them?  You can bet the FEC will crawl up the Republican's asses in 2010 and 2012.  They will have to make sure the election is fair don't ya know.  We get the government that we deserve. 

73 That FEC statement is kidding, right?

So, the FEC's policy is:  "It's only fraud if you lose"...??

The hell?

74

Techie-

Sad but true.  FEC will now get a few dems to fill the empty seats and it will be majority Dem, never to vote for an investigation of Obama's fundraising no matter what.

Sad but true.

The conservative media needs to get on this, pronto, especially the foreign money issue made possible by no AVS.

That can't be swept under the rug.

75

"But now this oleaginous fellow..."

Oleaginous? Very nice, Brown Line. Busting out the big words.

76 "rather doing what they want and saying it's all in His Name."

Hrm - Fuhurprinzip sounds pretty familiar to that. 

Ye gads, how did we elect him?!?!

77 The FEC, which would have to vote to launch an audit, is prone to deadlocking on issues that inordinately impact one party or the other...


That would be all issues, wouldn't it? Or does it mean that the FEC will do a sterling job at auditing the Constitution Party?

78 How many staffers has he fired or disciplined for freewheeling, making up policy as they go?

I would not want to be the person who comes to work in a red shirt under Obama.

(think Start Trek)

Obama:  Okay, [looking around] ummmmmmm, you!  In the red shirt.  Go um tell them we're uh uh uh thinking about er um uh this and we'll um uh er see what the um er um  reaction is.

Guy in the red shirt:  Fuck.

79 All this means is that Karl Rove has finished downloading Cheney's soul into Obama's body.

80 I'd like an extra dollop of cool whip on my inaugural cake.  I don't like pie. Or pudding.

81 Hope and change, folks, hope and change....the intelligence briefing must have scared the crap out of our Dear Leader. Time for him to stop believing his own hype and actually get some work done.

82

The Administration-elect is only a week old and already it's foundering because of a lack of leadership.

Yeah, it's a fuckin' mess already.

Remember when that shit-for-brains Harry Reid pronounced the surge "a failure" and the war to be "lost" about a week into it? Well, I think we should start referring to "the failed Obama administration" every chance we get.

83 Yes, Cheney's soul has found a new host and it lives on!!  Just as it has for millennia.  Excellent.

84 During the election, the media confirmed that Don't Ask, Don't Tell was official policy for Obama.

85 Now that he is in charge, expect them to kick it up a notch!

I bet Waterboarding will be considered humane, since it is a quick and does not have lasting effects.

86

I wonder how our enemies would react if they were actually scared of being caught and subjected to (ahem) interrogation? Like Jack Bauer does?

87 I bet Waterboarding will be considered humane, since it is a quick and does not have lasting effects.

Heh. Maybe he'll be wanting to try it out on a few right-wing bloggers who dare criticize him.

88

 

Media: McCain “gracious” in loss. Bush “shows grace” handing off to Obama. Hey, we figured out the Republicans we like. The ones who are leaving!

 

 

89 "Oleaginous? Very nice, Brown Line. Busting out the big words"

I've always been sesquipedalian.

90 I bet Waterboarding will be considered humane, since it is a quick and does not have lasting effects.

This is why waterboarding should be enjoying widespread and extensive use, especially during Cabinet meetings.

91 On second thought those interrogation methods might come in handy dealing with dissenters domestic terrorists.

92 Hopefully Obama has enough instinct for self-preservation that he won't entirely dismantle our national security - no one wants the next 9-11 to happen under their watch.
Besides, he will probably be permitted to use military force, torture and nuclear weapons indiscriminately without a peep from the media/Dems.
Don't forget the Democrat party motto:
Party uber alles.

93

"Obama is the kind of ego that gets opponents tossed off ballots'

 7 of 9 - all  your hubby wanted was a threesome !

  now we're all borg'ed

94 36  Posted by: Uniball

I have believed from the beginning that he will probably govern as a moderate. He is focusing on the next election and will want to make little changes as he goes along, nothing too big that will shock the sensibilities of the citizenry.

He is going to suck, that's for sure, but I see his flip flopping as a positive sign.


I too am heartened by O's potential pragmatism.  I'd rather have an ambitious political type who bends with the times (i.e. Clinton) than a true-believer ideologue (Carter) from the other side. 

Taxes are going up, bad, but if we can keep the remaining damage to a minimum, the country should be fine.

95 what happens when the new pres can't make any real moves because they will cause serious international, economic, and security problems?

This is where we find out if there is anything at all behind the image. 

Several have come to that office ill prepared and/or beholden to all sorts of special interests.  For some, the office changed them, and made them more than anyone ever expected.  I'd put Truman in that category.  For others, the office overwhelmed them and they buried their heads in the sand (ex. Carter).

Obama doesn't strike me as a "the buck stops here" kinda guy, but I'm willing to give him a chance to prove it one way or the other.  Initial results aren't looking too good though...

96 moronizer - I'm not so worried about the 'remaining damage' in the area of foreign policy, et al - I figure that he's going to stuff his cabinet with Clinton retreads there, so it won't be great but it won't be awful. 

It's climate fraud and a whole lot of little regulatory issues, social-justice activism at the DOJ, etc. where his administration seems likely to have the most potential to get away with real damage to our quality of life. 

97 obama just pressed the yellow button on that one....

98

You're all missing the really important thing here.  Sullivan is going to go into heartache overload if this shit keeps up.

First, blacks overwhelmingly voted against Prop 8 in CA and Obama was right there cheering them on.

Now, torture! After years of screaming for Bush and Cheney to be tried on war crimes, The One is going to use the same policies as Bush (and Clinton used).

Anything that makes this deranged drama queen's asshole/party tunnel pucker is a source of never ending joy.

99 obama supporters are afraid to hurt his feelings

100

And if we can help facilitate this scenario through a little disinformation, maskirovka and political guerrilla warfare, that would be an honorable endeavor.

Aww, but the beauty of this situation is that we won’t have to use disinformation at all.  We can use his actual words and most importantly his actions.  Remember right after Barry wrapped up the Democratic nomination and started “moving to the center”?  He voted for FISA, came out in support of faith based initiatives, supported off-shore oil drilling, changed from a strict time-tables based withdrawal from Iraq to a conditions based withdrawal, etc.  That was one of the only times during the campaign that his followers seemed to waver.  He survived by using his truly awesome manipulation skills (on the naďve, trusting, deeply illogical, etc.) to sell these flip-flops as “nuance” or alternatively “What he needs to do right now to win the general election.  Once he’s in office he’ll revert to his true blue lib ways.”   But now he’s going to have to actually make choices.  There’s no “voting present.”   Voting present worked in the State Senate.  It worked in the US Senate.  It even worked during the financial meltdown ( i.e., “The fault lies with 8 years of George Bush’s failed policies” followed by “Uh, call me if you need me.”)  The stock market is showing it won’t work now that he’s president (e.g., his uninformative first press conference (to be fair, we did learn his daughters are getting a hypo-allergenic dog) and his reluctance to name a Treasury Secretary or answer whether he still intends to raise taxes during a recession is causing alot of market uncertainty IMO.)  

The more decisions Barry makes the more people he’ll alienate.  <grins>  Several months ago I told an Obama supporter that the only thing I’m certain will happen if Obama wins is that he’ll disappoint someone.  Too many people with varying interests supported him.  My bitter cold black heart is comforted by this fact. ;-)

101 The One is going to use the same policies as Bush (and Clinton used).

Probably even worse.  The hard left has never had any problem with brutal suppression of enemies and/or throwing them into secret prisons.

102

Obama's first job is to win a second term.  His second job is not to get the Dems killed in the 2010 midterms.  Everything else he does, like protecting and upholding the constitution, etc, is subordinate to that inescapable fact.

Not wanting to spend the last two years of his one term presidency dealing with a Republican congress; should moderate his worst impulses.  He is a politcal animal; unfortunalely its harder to vote Present in the White House.

103 #44: Thread winner.

104 At the end of this we can look back and ask which has more folds the Obama Administration or King sized sheets in an Ikea Dresser?

105 In all honesty Obama's flip flops are NOT a bad thing, provided of course that he flips away from Marxism and Socialism and flops towards Americanism. 

If Obama were to suddenly pursue a policy of fiscal responsibility and small government, would it make sense to complain about it?

Don't punish him for moving in the right direction simply because he's moving.

Complain when he moves in the wrong direction. 

Charles at LGF is right when he says Country First.

106

I'm not so worried about the 'remaining damage' in the area of foreign policy, et al - I figure that he's going to stuff his cabinet with Clinton retreads there, so it won't be great but it won't be awful. 

I’m not totally comforted by that idea mrkwong.  Certainly, I’d be relieved to a degree if Obama picked DLC “I love America” centrist Dems (which is the Clinton wing of the Dem party) over the Kennedy/Soros “Blame America first” wing of the Democratic Party.  But wasn’t Clinton’s foreign policy a bit of a clusterfuck?   I think the reason many people don’t remember that is because Clinton was smart enough to internalize the message (via Greenspan and Rubin’s tutelage from what I’ve read) “keep your grubby fingers out of the economy” and lucky enough to preside over the post-Soviet era.  But in general, if I’m not mistaken, Clintons’ foreign policy was kind of a mess, wasn’t it?  He didn’t know what he was doing at all.

Speaking of foreign policy, I’d like the next GOP presidential candidate to advocate a more modest foreign policy.  Not the borderline-isolationism of Ron Paul and paleo-cons like Pat Buchanan.  But rather, a policy similar to what George W. Bush actually ran on in 2000.  I suspect there are a number of younger voters out there (possibly a lot of the Ron Paul voters) that are pro- fiscal conservatism but balk at the administration’s interventionist foreign policy.

107

Don't punish him for moving in the right direction simply because he's moving.

Oh, I’ll punish him.  But not by complaining about his actions.  I’ll punish him by pointing and laughing at his useful idiots at DailyKos , Huffington Post, Democratic Underground, etc.  I’ll punish him by helping drive a wedge between him and his core supporters. <I'm feeling almost gleeful at the prospect>

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Charles at LGF is a lefty. I wish people would stop citing him as some sort of conservative leader.


Don't punish him for moving in the right direction simply because he's moving.

Obama won power in large measure by attacking Bush policies. If he now adapts them then he deserves to be criticized for it, by both the left and the right. By the left for betrayal and by the right for dishonesty.

109 I too am heartened by O's potential pragmatism.

Likewise, but I'll be even more heartened if people on the right see it as a political opportunity rather than as a reason to like him.

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Obama has said a lot of things and has shown that he is 'flexible' with words. We are not going to know what he truly intends for about 3-6 months. We will get snippets here and there and can try to fit the pieces together, but the guy will say anything, so it should be done with a healthy dose of scepticism.

Hopefully he will just turn out to be incompetent, rather than a hard-liner which his radical associations suggest.

111 p.s. Charles Johnson is indeed a leftist except on the war on terror.

112 > The Administration-elect is only a week old and already it's foundering because of a lack of leadership.

Wow. Very Impressive. We were some months into the Clinton administration before Time magazine had it's famous "shrinking presidency" cover (June 1993). Essentially the same thing is gong on now 2 months before inauguration!

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Why do you take the "voting present" to mean he lacks a spine and not that it is a way to hide how he really feels about those issues? If he had taken a stand and not voted present, that stand would come back to haunt him come the Pres. campaign. His whole carreer has been getting into the white House. I see the present votes as hiding damaging positions until its too late for anyone to do anything.

 

Face it, people and lots of them would have changed their votes if they knew where he stood on the 100 + issues he voted present for. Its just another way to disguise real motives and agendas

114 Does any blogger have a full list of every single piece of legislation he voted present on? I am curious if any of those "present" positions have made it to light and which ones. I'd bet very few have any information out there on what those known positions would be. Now that's something to compre

115 Well, a spineless liberal is easier to deal with than one with the courage of his convictions. (If, and that is a big if, that this is really the case here).  Of course, this will piss his anti-torture supporters off, but that is a feature, not a bug as far as we should be concerned.  So by all means lets try to drive the One to do what is right, and with a little luck it will tear his party apart in the bargain!

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Also (Red Cross won't include this on their list!): guns and ammo. Nothing wrong with being ready to protect and defend your family. Things can get ugly in a meltdown.

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