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Ambiguous Is His Middle Name and It's Amateur Hour at the Office of the President-elect

The "President-elect of the United States" has been giving mixed signals. He talked a lot of game, but it turns out he doesn't actually stand for much of anything.


From the Indispensable Slublog.

First, he was for involuntary servitude for college students, then he decided that it should be voluntary and pay $40 per hour! Then he deleted his website and we have no idea what he wants.

Then, he was for the Polish missile-shield when he was talking to Poland's president, but backtracked when he was talking to the U.S. press. (Now, Poland is kowtowing to Obama, saying it was all a misunderstanding.) This is an echo of Obama's NAFTA gaffe with Canada, which was also blamed on a misunderstanding with one of Obama's advisers.

This morning he was for closing Guantanamo Bay, and having the detainees face criminal charges in U.S. criminal courts, courts using the Uniform Code of Military Justice, or new, specially created national security courts. This evening, he has backtracked yet again.

"There is absolutely no truth to reports that a decision has been made about how and where to try the detainees, and there is no process in place to make that decision until his national security and legal teams are assembled," said Denis McDonough, a senior foreign policy adviser for the transition team, in a statement.

So where did those original reports come from? According to the AP, Obama's legal advisers.

One hand doesn't know what the other is doing so we end up with many conflicting statements. Mr. President-elect has to keep "clarifying" the positions his subordinates keep releasing on his behalf. It's almost like he has no leadership experience whatsoever.

Ah Ha!

I knew I'd written something just like this before; it sounded so familiar. Here's what I said July 1st when Mr. President-elect started flip-flopping after he finished off Clinton.

We generally expect that statements issued in a candidate's name come from the candidate, and whether they do or not, we impute the substance of the statement to the candidate. In Obama's case we've seen a pattern of conflicting statements in his name. I suspect that happens when different parts of his staff want different things. The left hand doesn't know what the far left hand is doing and Obama is too green to exercise meaningful control over his own office. The result is all these "distracting" and "inartful" statements.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at 12:22 AM



Comments

1 He'd better make up his mind about issues before announcing them publicly or else no one is going to take anything he says seriously.  That's bad for the U.S.

Posted by: katya at November 11, 2008 12:25 AM (G3frc)

2 Oh Lord. Its going to be the Clinton years all over again but ten times worse.

Posted by: Shannon at November 11, 2008 12:27 AM (q0Z3p)

3

RaaaAAACIST!

Posted by: local unicorns 412 at November 11, 2008 12:27 AM (hUStE)

4 OT: Thanks for editing the title of that post, Gabe. If I had known the story would have made Drudge, and had then have Rush mention it, I would have left that word out. It wasn't linked by Drudge, but there's Google to think about.

I probably would have left out the "flaming douche" part too. But, I really thought that something I posted on a Saturday night wouldn't have gotten any attention at all.

Anyway, my sincere thanks for the edit and the bump.

Posted by: Vinnie at November 11, 2008 12:28 AM (idf83)

5 Apparently you didn't get the memo/official blogger script: this administration is going to be about change. See how many changes have been made already?

Posted by: Xander Crews at November 11, 2008 12:28 AM (Aac1T)

6 Gee, you mean someone who has voted present so often might have trouble making a decision that he could be held accountable for? I'm shocked!!

Posted by: Mark at November 11, 2008 12:29 AM (EpUX6)

7

Dear 52,

From the bottom of my heart, I want to thank you for voting for this idiot. No, really. I just love cleaning up shit.

Smooches,

Ginger

Posted by: Ginger at November 11, 2008 12:30 AM (X/3fW)

8

Looks like he is just going to keep doing what he has always done when presented with a tough decision that he cant vote present on.....Flip flop until he comes to the position that draws the least criticism.

Posted by: Matt at November 11, 2008 12:31 AM (2u+85)

9

this administration is going to be about change. See how many changes have been made already?

heehee

Posted by: katya at November 11, 2008 12:32 AM (G3frc)

10 Oceania, Eurasia, and Eastasia are hard to keep straight. Give Big Brother a break.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at November 11, 2008 12:32 AM (sI5Ho)

11

Dear obama,

Let me guess. I bet you watched reruns of The West Wing to study for the Presidency. Did you realize that TV make believe life is not the same as real life? You are so going to make James Buchanan look like a saint.

Ginger

Posted by: Ginger at November 11, 2008 12:33 AM (X/3fW)

12 Layoff Bambi, dude was not kidding with the theme of his campaign. Change.

The winds of change are a blowin'.

Posted by: rockhead at November 11, 2008 12:34 AM (DvaIL)

13
Barack Hussein Ambiguous ObamaYeah, that sounds more like it

Posted by: YIKES! at November 11, 2008 12:35 AM (tyTuX)

14 Almost.

"Uh. Er.

Ummmmm. Uh.

Hmmm.

Er.

Present!"

Posted by: cthulhu at November 11, 2008 12:35 AM (qe4D8)

15

The Family Prayer

"And Shepherds we shall be

For thee, my Lord, for thee.

Power hath descended forth from Thy hand

Our feet may swiftly carry out Thy commands.

So we shall flow a river forth to Thee

And teeming with souls shall it ever be.

In Nomeni Patri Et Fili Spiritus Sancti."

Posted by: The Oort Cloud at November 11, 2008 12:36 AM (nOQXA)

16 Ladies and Gentleman, the Captain has activated the fasten your seat belts sign. Please remain in your seats with your seat belt securely fastened at your waist for 4 years.

Posted by: eman at November 11, 2008 12:41 AM (EBkTV)

17 Hey nothing like practicing the methods of John Kerry's School of "flip flopping"
 Kool-Aid messiah may just write his own book called:
 "Rhetorical flip flop , how to use it, identify it and also how to stop flip flopper's dead in their tracks"

"Or your money back"

Hey when it comes to the Kool-Aid Messiah
He is living up to be the worlds leading practitioner of rhetorical flip-flopping , so this should be his master piece! 
LOL!

Posted by: dtmf at November 11, 2008 12:42 AM (g0OOh)

18 Ginger, you crack me up!

Gabe, can ya add devil horns on the little fucker?

Posted by: incognito at November 11, 2008 12:42 AM (Rpam5)

19 I can see I need to make another popcorn run...

Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 11, 2008 12:43 AM (OqXyp)

20

Charge them with crimes and try them in criminal courts?  Charge them with what?

First of all, if they are "prisoners of war," as the left insists that they are, then the Geneva Convention PROHIBITS trying them in civilian courts.

Second, acts of war are, by definition, not crimes under civilian law.  In war, we get to kill the enemy without being charged with murder, and they get to kill us without being charged with murder.  That's what war is.  The only crimes they could be charged with are war crimes, over which the criminal justice system does not have jurisdiction.

Third, why the hell should this be a job for everyday citizens, i.e. jurors?  Dealing with the enemy is the job of the military, not jurors who might be retaliated against if they were to convict.

Fourth, didn't Lord Obama ridicule the accusation that he wanted the enemy on the battlefield to be "read their rights"?  (all of which clearly kick in if they are to be tried in civilian courts)

Fifth, who the hell voted for these sh*t-heads?

Posted by: Bender at November 11, 2008 12:44 AM (62LLx)

21 Would somebody explain something for me?

Did he just convert his campaign headquarters and create this "office"? Who's paying for it?

Posted by: Shannon at November 11, 2008 12:50 AM (q0Z3p)

22 Please let's not be to hard on him. When the 52 elected the one, we were told that his foreign policy would be more nuanced that Bush's. He is going to be more receptive to our allies and enemies points of view, and he will always take them into account before acting in an unilateral manner.

Posted by: mrcaniac at November 11, 2008 12:52 AM (Rbulg)

23 Let me clarify my earlier post. I said that he is going to be more receptive to our allies and enemies points of view, and he will always take them into account before acting in an unilateral manner. That is not the case, he will just be more receptive to our enemies points of view, and he will always take them into account before acting in an unilateral manner.

Posted by: mrcaniac at November 11, 2008 12:52 AM (Rbulg)

24 Best anti-obama t shirt I have seen thus far. http://tinyurl.com/4ysj8n

Posted by: Ginger at November 11, 2008 12:52 AM (X/3fW)

25 Let me clarify my earlier post. I said that he is going to be more receptive to our  enemies points of view, and he will always take them into account before acting in an unilateral manner. That is not the case, he will just be more receptive to our enemies points of view, and he will always take them into account before acting in a multilateral manner. With multilateral meaning the UN's posistion (or "Europe's squishy feely thoughts of the day.

Posted by: mrcaniac at November 11, 2008 12:53 AM (Rbulg)

26
whatsoever?
but, but, but...

i just wanted the job, i didn't actually want to DO the job

maybe joe can help. joe, i need three more words in this speech

Posted by: billypaintbrush at November 11, 2008 12:55 AM (2BytE)

27 Hey, Barack.  You don't seem to be cut out for this 'President' thing.  Your ship of state is gonna look like a racing sailboat with the staff running from one side to the other all the time, depending on which way the wind is blowing.  So, I gotta suggestion for you.

Call Bill Clinton.

Yeah, that's right.  Just pick up the phone.  You've hired him as 'National Security Advisor' or 'Intern Coordinator' or something.  Give him a nice space right next to the Oval Office, give him a key.  You go out and get on camera and get in a lot of those Mount Rushmore poses, but Rahm and the rest of the bunch go talk to Bill twice a day.

Once you get past the suntan, it's what the voters really wanted anyway.
 



Posted by: mrkwong at November 11, 2008 12:56 AM (G8Eo0)

28

Indecision is one of the worst traits that a leader can have. It makes a leader look weak, foolish and incapable of making tough decisions when the shit hits fan and does not bode well for the next four years.

If he behaves as indecisively as he did during the Georgia crisis the next time something like that happens then its going to be on for young and old as every two bit dictator and despot around the world lines up to challenge this neophyte President and show that America is no longer the Dominant Super power she once was.

Posted by: Matt at November 11, 2008 12:59 AM (2u+85)

29 obama's presidency is like a box of chocolates...u never know what your gonna get

Posted by: mama gump at November 11, 2008 01:00 AM (EBHrR)

30

Achielles Heel of Liberalism #314-

By trying to be all things to all people, Liberals routinely try to stake out all positions on all issues. This is commonly known as 'flip-flopping', 'triangulation' or 'being an ultra-slick bullshit artist'.

Posted by: El Kabong at November 11, 2008 01:02 AM (0BPlb)

31 El Kabong - I vote for lower taxes, bigger bombs, and more CO2.  Don't think Obama's gonna be triangulating me. 

Is he going to be Bill Clinton or Evo Morales, or will he just split the difference and channel his inner Nestor Kirchner?

Posted by: mrkwong at November 11, 2008 01:07 AM (G8Eo0)

32 At least when Clinton lied he was good at it.

Posted by: alexthechick at November 11, 2008 01:08 AM (WKY5b)

33 barrack needs to realize hes not campaigning any more,  if america seems wishy washy the world is gonna be scary for 4 years... thats what made bush so effective and scary to people, when he said something he fucking meant it

whooping aq's ass...he meant it. that scared aq.  preventing attacks no matter what the  cost.... that scared the libs.... amnesty... that scared conservatives cause he fuckin meant what he said and what i will miss with bush

bush may have not been the most articulate person but everyone of us knew what his intentions were all the time there wasnt this promise to suck u off while i shove an unlubed dildo up ur ass that obama is going to give us

Posted by: dixon at November 11, 2008 01:15 AM (EBHrR)

34 They should release the detainees in a blue state.

Posted by: PJ at November 11, 2008 01:19 AM (GVdvM)

35

Posted by: PJ at November 11, 2008 01:19 AM (GVdvM)

9/11 did the most damage in blue states and it seems only red states are still pissed off about it

Posted by: dixon at November 11, 2008 01:22 AM (EBHrR)

36

Well, to all the members of the 52 out there:

Like having a flip-flopper in power?  Not sure what he is going to do or if he will betray you tomorrow?

TOO BAD!

You voted for him, you wanted him, he's yours.

By the way - constantly changing your mind is NOT a good way to lead a country - just thought you wanted to know.

 

Posted by: BattleofthePyramids at November 11, 2008 01:24 AM (ZdTZL)

37

Do we know if the incoming president can differentiate between his own asshole and a hole in the ground?

Posted by: Jones at November 11, 2008 01:25 AM (KOkrW)

38 Yes, our head's on a swivel, and no, we're not yet fitted with a cup. Please, no punches below the belt. That would be unsportsmanlike and we'd like to at least be able to step into the ring in January.

Posted by: Obama's Policies at November 11, 2008 01:26 AM (sI5Ho)

39 #37
well he sees an asshole everytime he looks in the mirror so im hoping he can but who knows he cant tell the differentiate between an unrepentant terrorist and a suitable babysitter

Posted by: dixon at November 11, 2008 01:28 AM (EBHrR)

40 holy fuck i need to put the wine bottle down that last post was fuckin horrible

Posted by: dixon at November 11, 2008 01:28 AM (EBHrR)

41 #34 Thread over.

Posted by: MCho'sCandidaDiet at November 11, 2008 01:29 AM (EJmQG)

42 It's not just UFO's....
Okay out of sheer boredom [and obviously  madness] I switched the tube to Olberman.
 Oh my god. I really had no idea how insane he is.
 First the jingo for the day is "No-drama Obama"
 Second ,according to a Pravda-lite Newsweek "reporter" Obama is sad at losing his "old" life. sniff sniff...
 You know it was just so sad that he was ripped out of Chicago and into that nasty white house without his permission. I mean,my god, it's like slavery or something......
 And Keith has found religion.....he said amen....
 Sorry...I had to "share" it's like scraping gum off your shoe or something...

Posted by: christmasghost at November 11, 2008 01:29 AM (aUut1)

43

ha ha ha...

Remember on Seinfeld when Kramer showed up at an office building and just started "working" there?  When he was given an actual report to write, of course it sucked and the guy said "It's as if you have no business experience whatsoever..."

Wouldn't that be funny if it happened in real life?  If some poser just showed up out of nowhere and started hanging around the Oval Office?

Oh, wait... that's not really very funny after all.  Terrifying, in fact.

Posted by: jana at November 11, 2008 01:30 AM (vSRlG)

44 It's gonna be a fun 4 years, extremely dangerous but fun just the same. Maybe that's how McCain lost. We all voted here, and here we are with a '0' who's gonna be play president. How long will it be before the white house interns have rug burns on their knees and they won't be from bowing to their lord and master?

Posted by: Scrapiron at November 11, 2008 01:33 AM (XWJh5)

45

Remember on Seinfeld when Kramer showed up at an office building and just started "working" there?  When he was given an actual report to write, of course it sucked and the guy said "It's as if you have no business experience whatsoever..."

Wasn't that George? He went to a job interview and then just showed up and acted like he'd gotten the job. Also, he was fired once and then kept going back to work as though nothing had happened.

Posted by: jaleach at November 11, 2008 01:35 AM (gHrZU)

46

No, definitely Kramer.  H went into a building to use the washroom or something, and ended up just hanging around.  They had a riff about Jerry being jealous because Kramer was never home in time for dinner... and, yeah, George got fired for telling off his boss, but just went back the next day, pretending like it was all a joke.

Sitcoms were so much more fun when I didn't have to worry about that Civilian Security Force breaking in and changing the channel to MSNBC.

Posted by: jana at November 11, 2008 01:39 AM (vSRlG)

47 44....if the interns are guys it will be about five minutes.....

Posted by: christmasghost at November 11, 2008 01:39 AM (aUut1)

48

In a few months time I think there are going to be a lot of people who share Randy Marshes sentiments at the end of last nights South Park episode.

"Fuck! I knew I should have Voted for McCain"

Posted by: Matt at November 11, 2008 01:39 AM (2u+85)

49 anyone remember that skit where on snl that showed bush in the oval office when he  first took office calling his dad complaining how hard the job was while bombs and shit were going off in the background?  why i do i have a feeling that scenario may actually play out with obama calling wright in the next 6 months?

Posted by: dixon at November 11, 2008 01:44 AM (EBHrR)

50

Those bombs going off might be ones set by his buddy Ayers...

Wouldn't that be a sticky wicket for Mr. Cool to handle?

Posted by: jana at November 11, 2008 01:47 AM (vSRlG)

51 #50 haha, no shit... i get  the eerie feeling he is going to take revenge on all us who voted against him... remember the entire media was in the tank for him except for fox news and he sent the hate out their way

he wont be happy with those of us, while in the minority, criticize his views, heres to hoping im wrong *drinks a lot of wine*

Posted by: dixon at November 11, 2008 01:51 AM (EBHrR)

52 Shit. I have to make decisions? I just wanted this job so Ayers could ghost-write another autobiography about my awesomeness and unicorn-bringing.

Posted by: Barack Obama at November 11, 2008 01:55 AM (x3V9n)

53

#51 -  the stock market may be crashing, but you know what's still sellin' just fine?  Guns, ammo, canned foods and liquor.    

I'm just sayin....

Posted by: jana at November 11, 2008 01:57 AM (vSRlG)

54 In the Odd Ass City where I come from(Chicago), da sishun is made on da fly!

Posted by: Unique Horn at November 11, 2008 02:01 AM (Uagor)

55 i have the ammo and guns, i need liquor and to a lesser extent food, the big problem is we need to figure out a way to organize a moron resistance if shit really hits the fan and the internets go out, or is that what moronpalooza is all about?

Posted by: dixon at November 11, 2008 02:02 AM (EBHrR)

56

internet outage??  now that's just crazy talk!

 

Posted by: jana at November 11, 2008 02:09 AM (vSRlG)

57

Sounds like his "advisors" are trying to make policy by telling the media what he's for before he decides what he's for.  This is what happens when you run as a cipher trying to take both sides of every issue.

I've said it before: Obama is a puppet and every Democrat thinks he has a string.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 11, 2008 02:16 AM (GlrN/)

58 crazy talk is my brother, he has spoken of coming internet outage caused by the great spirits anger at red state tribe... great spirit say all enemies will be forced onto reservation or as he call them re education camps if we do not comply with his great vision.

Posted by: stupid indian persona aka shittingbull at November 11, 2008 02:17 AM (EBHrR)

59

Standard answer: No, Yes, maybe!

Ok, i am 100% certain there will be a tomorrow, that much I can tell you

Posted by: asshats galore at November 11, 2008 02:22 AM (B/Y39)

60
Take it easy on the guy. He ran on a campaign of bullshit, perhaps even bullshit that he actually believed. Now he has had the benefit of a few security briefings by men with briefcases full of undiluted screaming fucking nightmare. He damn well better be changing and hoping.

Of course he needs to rethink Gitmo, now he knows who the fuck is in those cages and why and what happens if he frees them. Fucking Saw movies are like kindergarten to these fuckers.

Of course he's got to rethink missile defense and Iraq and every other stupid thing that spouted out his stupid mouth. Yes, this means he ran a stupid, childish campaign. Better that he betray the dimwitted moonbeams who voted him into office than betray the nation.

Posted by: Ronsonic at November 11, 2008 02:25 AM (ywSvi)

61 Remember on Seinfeld when Kramer showed up at an office building and just started "working" there?  When he was given an actual report to write, of course it sucked and the guy said "It's as if you have no business experience whatsoever..."

Wouldn't that be funny if it happened in real life?  If some poser just showed up out of nowhere and started hanging around the Oval Office?

Oh, wait... that's not really very funny after all.  Terrifying, in fact.

Posted by: jana at November 11, 2008 01:30 AM (vSRlG)


Hehehe... yeah that was a good one.


KRAMER:  "What did you want to see me about, Mr. Leland?"

LELAND:  "Kramer, I've... been reviewing your work... Quite frankly, it stinks."

KRAMER:  "Well, I ah... been havin' trouble at home and uh... I mean, ah, you know, I'll work harder, nights, weekends, whatever it takes..."

LELAND:  "No, no, I don't think that's going to, do it, uh. These reports you handed in. It's almost as if you have no business training at all... I don't know what this is supposed to be!"

KRAMER:  "Well, I'm uh, just -- tryin' to get ahead..."

LELAND:  "Well, I'm sorry. There's just no way that we could keep you on."

KRAMER:  "I don't even really work here!"

LELAND:  "That's what makes this so difficult."

Posted by: Watcher at November 11, 2008 02:31 AM (BX126)

62 "Better that he betray the dimwitted moonbeams who voted him into office than betray the nation."

Don't underestimate my capabilities. My 400 advisers and I can do both.

Yes I can.

Posted by: Barack Obama at November 11, 2008 02:32 AM (sI5Ho)

63 "Nuanced" = "so stupid as to defy rational explanation."

Not only is this the primary Dem strategy for success, but it actually worked, at least during the election.

Kind of brilliant, if you ignore the long term. How do you argue against someone who's unintelligible?

Posted by: Merovign at November 11, 2008 02:40 AM (UXoQt)

64

I think his advisors are presenting positions to feel things out how the viewing public will react. If it's favorable, he sticks with it and if its not he revises it...or at least least gives the appearance of revising it. Just like the whole campaign, it is all for show.

I seems more of an exercise in perfecting the technique of serving a bowlful of shit and having the peasants not only thank you, but ask for another helping!! I don't think he is that big of a flip flopper, just trying to figure out how to package his real agenda without people knowing what it is so they can't get upset. I think he will stick with his original position but fool people (that got pissed with his position) with Bullshit, cliches and rhetoric so they have no idea.

Posted by: asshats galore at November 11, 2008 02:45 AM (B/Y39)

65 32 alexthechick: At least when Clinton lied he was good at it.   Heh.

Posted by: davis,br at November 11, 2008 02:50 AM (zewwG)

66 ummm, guys...he's already talking about taking away guns and revoking the Tiahrt Amendment. that way all the newspapers can print all the info on everyone who owns a gun.
 like they already did here in humboldt county on everyone that has a conceal carry. front page of the "newspaper" the north coast journal. basically putting a bulls eye on those of us with permits. one stop shopping for the mexican cartel guys.....just swell.

Posted by: christmasghost at November 11, 2008 02:51 AM (aUut1)

67 Michael Ramirez has a great cartoon up (insert link isn't working for me, you'll have to copy/paste, sorry): http://tinyurl.com/nbqtc

Posted by: devilish at November 11, 2008 02:54 AM (5ui08)

68

So he has retracted the “Gitmo” story eh? You can tell his staff is full of old tired liberals. This, along with the other “changes” reflect an old Nixon strategy that people caught on to long ago. It was known as the “trial balloon”. Some low level staffer would “leak” a statement to a member of the press and watch the “public” reaction to it (which was primarily the press reaction but never mind).  If the statement created too much of a fuss they disavowed it and dropped the idea. This is really how this “leaking shit” got started.

 

This strategy has already been dropped by most pols because the public is wise to it now.

Posted by: Vic at November 11, 2008 03:26 AM (Qd7GC)

69 Oh barf. People are naming their kids Barack now?  Does that mean in 18 years I am going to have to teach a roomful of kids named Barack and Hussein?  SHOOT ME NOW

Posted by: chemjeff at November 11, 2008 03:27 AM (gv6Tj)

70 Just heard it on Redeye, so you know it's reliable!

Posted by: chemjeff at November 11, 2008 03:28 AM (gv6Tj)

71

Posted by: chemjeff at November 11, 2008 03:27 AM (gv6Tj)

so ur a teacher too? was wednesday as terrible for u as it was for me being surrounded by all those  fucking piss poor winners?

Posted by: dixon at November 11, 2008 03:33 AM (EBHrR)

72 I am fortunately on sabbatical this year, and I chose my sabbatical host wisely - he is a right-wing nutjob just like me.  So on Wednesday he says "well, yeah, that sucked."  And that was it.  But I'm already getting emails from the people back home linking the change.gov propaganda and instructing us on how we can adjust the university's mission to more fully comply with the directives of The One.  I just happily delete them all and continue reading AOS and Redstate.

Posted by: chemjeff at November 11, 2008 03:46 AM (gv6Tj)

73

And, you have my sincere condolences.

Posted by: chemjeff at November 11, 2008 03:48 AM (gv6Tj)

74 "Pot had helped, and booze; maybe a little blow when you could afford it. Not smack, though."

Posted by: soupy at November 11, 2008 03:59 AM (0ZKeu)

75 #72 haha thanks, that day was seriously miserable but even with how horrible  i had a few good spots with a few former students coming to me saying that while they were disappointed in the results they would work harder for what they believed in in the next election cycle which was encouraging since i never tell my students my political orientation

 but with that of course with not telling my mindset i had to deal with a lot more ex students bragging about how obama was their savior... being an objective teacher is more difficult than most people realize i think sometimes

Posted by: dixon at November 11, 2008 04:00 AM (EBHrR)

76 oops not objective i mean non biased wrong word

Posted by: dixon at November 11, 2008 04:01 AM (EBHrR)

77

"He talked a lot of game, but it turns out he doesn't actually stand for much of anything."

Heh.  That's pretty much my best-case scenario for an Obama administration.  Seeing as how pretty much every policy he's articulated, I've disagreed with.

Posted by: Calix at November 11, 2008 04:21 AM (8d3U/)

78 If he is the puppet, who is the puppet master?t

Posted by: davod at November 11, 2008 05:25 AM (GUZAT)

79

"Of course he's got to rethink missile defense and Iraq and every other stupid thing that spouted out his stupid mouth. Yes, this means he ran a stupid, childish campaign. Better that he betray the dimwitted moonbeams who voted him into office than betray the nation."

He is in office you cannot say he ran a stupid, childish campaign.

Posted by: davod at November 11, 2008 05:38 AM (GUZAT)

80 Just to make sure I now get up earlier than usual to check that the sun has indeed come up.  I worry about claims of a new dawn for America being withdrawn due to a miscommunication with Sen Obama's panel of astronomers!

Posted by: Pat Patterson at November 11, 2008 06:45 AM (6SDmD)

81 The silver lining in his flip-flopping is he seems to move from a more extreme position to a less extreme position. Call it revision and keep up the pressure. But let's not give him too hard a time for changing his positions ... after all, we conservatives want him to change his positions. The last thing we want is for this guy to dig in his heels. It seems he has some poor instincts for initial policy positions, but it willing to respond to feedback ... that may not be a bad thing.

Don't get me wrong -- it's insane we elected this guy. But we need to find ways to work with him, and his so-called flip-flopping may be a key. Indeed, we probably should reward these flip-flops toward more conservative positions by calling his revised positions (in our direction) "mature" and "wise," signs of a reflective mind willing to ... blah blah blah.

You get the idea.

Posted by: IB Bill at November 11, 2008 06:48 AM (Z7SvB)

82 "the Uniform Code of Military Justice" will become "the Unicorn Code of Non-Military Justice"

The only thing standing in his way of releasing all 250 detainees left is American jurors will surely convict them if given a chance.  (And don't call me Shirley).

Posted by: dfbaskwill at November 11, 2008 07:28 AM (ympAm)

83

Did he just convert his campaign headquarters and create this "office"? Who's paying for it?

You and me buddy.  There is money in the budget for the transition office.

At least when Clinton lied he was good at it.

Clinton was the cheating husband who could convince his wife that his tomcatting was good for the marriage.

Will anyone truly be surprised when Obama pardons Ayers, Dohrn, etc.?

Oh yeah...Forty fucking dollars an hour?  I'd quit my job and go into public service for that much money.

Posted by: Steve L. at November 11, 2008 07:28 AM (o0YD+)

84 I'm also a teacher.  Yeah, I try to avoid talking about politics at work.  Not the Obamanuts, however.  It was so bad, that the district had to re-issue a directive forbidding employees to show political leanings.  That was helpful, though.  It really worked the 1st time they mandated it. </sarcasm>


I feel sorry for the Black kids.  When they insisted that ALL the white people had voted AGAINST Obama, I pointed out that, if their belief was correct, Obama wasn't President.  There just wasn't enough Black people to win the election by themselves.  They just stared at me.  The logic couldn't penetrate the fog cast upon them by the illogical propaganda they had been subjected to, day and night.

Posted by: Linda F at November 11, 2008 07:28 AM (E4xkX)

85 Outstanding, Slub

Posted by: drjohn at November 11, 2008 08:00 AM (ToVRf)

86 Amish Dude is right, I think. This is exactly the sort of thing you see when impatient executives - like the ones pulling Obama's strings - communicate their bidding to a collection of middle manager minions in parallel - in this case, Obama and his crew. They all hear a different story.

Obama's just one of those minions - the one the media and the public are focused on - not the guy running the program. And it's been obvious for months.

Mansourian Candidate I think Pam Geller called him. Oh yeah.

Posted by: goy at November 11, 2008 08:04 AM (BCIGN)

87 I have a different take on it. I think what they do by throwing out conflicting reports, or any reports at all, is to see the media's reaction to what they are presenting, then based upon response, then craft an "official" response once the media, the pundits and the bloggers have had at it.

This whole campaign has been about selling the candidate to the American people under the guise that it's "really about you" and "change" blah blah blah, feeding into the narcissistic nature of the American beast. That's why half of the morons that voted for him teared up post election night, he made it "about them" a la "Well enough about me, what do you think about me..."

Each step of the way is carefully crafted, and tuned accordingly. Again and again and again.

Posted by: b at November 11, 2008 08:04 AM (jSbKY)

88

Repeat my 3:30 post

 

So he has retracted the “Gitmo” story eh? You can tell his staff is full of old tired liberals. This, along with the other “changes” reflect an old Nixon strategy that people caught on to long ago. It was known as the “trial balloon”. Some low level staffer would “leak” a statement to a member of the press and watch the “public” reaction to it (which was primarily the press reaction but never mind).  If the statement created too much of a fuss they disavowed it and dropped the idea. This is really how this “leaking shit” got started.

 

This strategy has already been dropped by most pols because the public is wise to it now.

Posted by: Vic at November 11, 2008 08:09 AM (Qd7GC)

89 Will Obama's presidency actually end up increasing racism in the USA?

I know it's racist to ask that question, along with using the English language and engaging in cellular respiration.

Posted by: SuprKufr at November 11, 2008 08:10 AM (Xm81b)

90 Ginger, I'll see that t-shirt and raise you...

http://tinyurl.com/5ambnc

Posted by: Bruce at November 11, 2008 08:26 AM (2aqWd)

91 Putin is standing by and licking his chops. He now sees the US on a decline and he wants revenge. I think this guy is going to be a problem. He is going to push and push to see what kind of reaction he gets from Obama.

Posted by: ironman at November 11, 2008 08:30 AM (XWJh5)

92

davod: "He is in office you cannot say he ran a stupid, childish campaign."

Unless you think that a large majority of the 52% of the total voters that voted for Buttcrack must be stupid and childish, eh?  Based on my experience, I would estimate that 40% of the voters are stupid and childish.

Posted by: scrood at November 11, 2008 08:37 AM (1dOyI)

93 Do we gird our loins, or grid our lions

Posted by: ICBM at November 11, 2008 08:40 AM (FcwAY)

94 This is the best news I've heard all week.  Seriously.  An indecisive, incompetent Obama surrounded by backstabbing, empire-building lackeys means essentially four years of government paralysis.

Given all the things Obama has said he wants to do, a paralyzed government is a distinct improvement.  Sure, it'll be a bit hard on the Iraqis, Ukrainians, South Koreans, Taiwanese, and Israelis.  But as their countries are invaded and their cities bombed, we can be sure they will love America because we elected a slightly darker guy than before.

Posted by: Trimegistus at November 11, 2008 08:59 AM (V7sUe)

95

It's still not too late to try to stop this travesty.   You can all still help tremendously by contacting your states Electors before they vote.  These folks can help. 

And it sure beats all the whining and useless bickering with foolish liberals.

http://tinyurl.com/5jkkmt

Posted by: rrobin at November 11, 2008 09:00 AM (8nB5X)

96

I think we forget that most people watch the news and that's it. They read a headline, but not the story. The voters are not stupid, they had just been had by the media. I feel the media overplayed it's hand, and when people get a good idea who Obama is (a naive politician with no experience) people will start asking "how did this happen, the press didn't say anything". It may come back and bite the lefties and their media cohorts in the butt.

The press is so eager to report stories on Obama and what he is doing, they publish whatever they hear, only to have it changed the next day, hence this thread. Eventually people will see a pattern. I think the Democrats know they only have until 2010 to do something (which we know they can't do anything, except bitch and blame). I have a feeling they are starting to panic, and when they do they will make some large mistakes that the press can't ignore (but they will try).

So keep it up Obama, the press is now going to hurt you by reporting everything as fast as possible before you can even finish your sentence.

 

Posted by: Craig at November 11, 2008 09:05 AM (0nkpj)

97 But he gives speaches that send thrills up peoples' legs. He inspires nitwits. Europeans like him. "Comedians" can't find anything funny about him. He makes his own cheesy signs for podiums. He must be great presidential material. He can't just be a stuttering empty suit.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 11, 2008 09:10 AM (1Jaio)

98 "Mr. President-elect has to keep "clarifying" the positions his subordinates keep releasing on his behalf. It's almost like he has no leadership experience whatsoever."


If he had only campaigned for two years or so to define the positions he stands on before he got into office..

Posted by: Dave C at November 11, 2008 09:24 AM (Gsa+v)

99 Richard Pryor, after visiting the bruthas "unjustly" put in prison: "Thank God for the penitentiary."

Posted by: lmg at November 11, 2008 09:32 AM (A/vgC)

100 So, Rahm Emanuel is basically going to be president.

We should start that meme bigtime with RE or any other reasonably competent member of his administration. My guess is BO's ego is so huge and his skin so thin, he winds up firing them. Sort of a Jimmy Johnson/Jerry Jones situation.

Posted by: rinseandspit at November 11, 2008 09:33 AM (oEAm5)

101

How come I seem to know more about Obama's positions than Obama does? I read all this stuff on his website months ago. Of course, in all fairness to Obama, it was probably written by staff members, and he didn't get a chance to read it all between speaking in front of various throngs of adoring fans across the country. So, I can't expect him to know what his actual positions are. That's just asking too much. Although, I'm rather surprised that his positions weren't handed down to him on stone tablets...

But now, this stuff is news? It's almost as if the media didn't want this stuff to get out until after the election. But why would that be?

Posted by: Jason at November 11, 2008 09:47 AM (sV0Yw)

102 So when unauthorized leaks come out of the McCain camp about Palin it's an injustice, everything leaked is completely false, and you WANT NAMES GODDAMNIT.  But every "anonymous" leak that comes out of the Obama camp is taken as pure gospel?  Gotcha.

Have fun hyping up the Palin 2012 campaign.  I guess you'd better hope nobody over the age of 65 dies over the next 4 years.  That, or successful Republican disenfranchisement of every voter under the age of 50.

Posted by: Cam at November 11, 2008 09:54 AM (6+j77)

103 Headline on Drudge...............sounds like the O needs to learn how to keep his mouth shut............

Posted by: ironman at November 11, 2008 10:06 AM (XWJh5)

104

Well I see that fuck-stick CAM is back after not having taken my advice to eat shit and die.

Posted by: Vic at November 11, 2008 10:07 AM (Qd7GC)

105 Obama will know his positions when he reads them on his teleprompters!

Posted by: chs31 at November 11, 2008 10:19 AM (CNME6)

106
Identity politics never resolve differences. They have a momentum that causes ongoing splits. A new identity is always emerging and always grieving. and meeting today's demands just causes new grievances to be uncovered, or somebody shortchanged.

like little kids, constantly fighting for no reason than to be fighting

Posted by: billypaintbrush at November 11, 2008 10:23 AM (t5d/g)

107 Obama is just saying whatever it takes to shut everyone up, of course none of this means anything.  Take 15 positions on every issue!  Why not?  It's not like there  is any agency, let's call it a 'free press', that will hold him accountable for anything he says.

Posted by: kefka at November 11, 2008 10:24 AM (fKivs)

108 Much heart-ache at HuffPo over the statement that Obama won't make any immediate radical changes in the intelligence apparatus.

They want their unicorns, and they want them NOW.


Posted by: stace at November 11, 2008 10:27 AM (JO0c/)

109

Let's see, Cam, we have leaks in the form gratuitous swipes at the running mate of the man who lost the election by his staffers versus "leaks" in the form of actual policy positions that have been listed, for months, on the website of the man who actually won the election.

Yeah, those are the same.

And if you still can't tell the difference, the former are likely done by staff members in order to cover their own asses by placing blame for losing the election, and are entirely unnecessary. The latter reveal a lack of coherence among staff members concerning what the politician's actual positions are, and are largely, under the circumstances, unavoidable.

Posted by: Jason at November 11, 2008 10:27 AM (sV0Yw)

110 When they insisted that ALL the white people had voted AGAINST Obama, I pointed out that, if their belief was correct, Obama wasn't President.  There just wasn't enough Black people to win the election by themselves.

Math is racist.

Much heart-ache at HuffPo


I do enjoy that he's disappointing his acolytes already.  It's like a light honey mustard on the turd sammich.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at November 11, 2008 10:38 AM (yG+tb)

111 Uh, that's not the position I thought I knew.

Posted by: Michael J. Myers at November 11, 2008 10:46 AM (LZ3cP)

112

I guess you'd better hope nobody over the age of 65 dies over the next 4 years. 

 

and you'd better hope noone under the age of 30 gets a job or has kids

Posted by: Warren G. McHardinghitler at November 11, 2008 10:48 AM (k7SeR)

113 I think his advisors are presenting positions to feel things out how the viewing public will react. If it's favorable, he sticks with it and if its not he revises it...or at least least gives the appearance of revising it. Just like the whole campaign, it is all for show.

In other words, the Obama administration is going to be an exercise in government by trial balloon. I can hardly wait.

Posted by: OregonMuse at November 11, 2008 10:49 AM (FO+YO)

114

#106:  A good point about identity politics -- my husband and I were just talking about it last night.

Republicans (Conservatives, I should say) are united by a common belief system, i.e. 2nd amendment rights, fiscal responsibiliby, less govt. intrusion, just less govt, period, etc., etc.

Democrats are not really united by anything, they are a bunch of different groups that are under the same tent, but each group has their own agenda.

An excellent example is Prop 8 in California.  Gays are furious because they feel that the Blacks & Latinos sold them out... Gays have always voted for the agenda of the B & L communities, but the majority of the B & L community voted against the Gay agenda. 

In-fighting is unavoidable, since they all have their own interests to tend to, as opposed to sharing a common goal.

Posted by: jana at November 11, 2008 10:54 AM (vSRlG)

115

Oh barf. Just heard on Headline News:

"While many are expecting Obama to bring a helping of change to Washington, he's also going to bring a side order of cool."

Posted by: chemjeff at November 11, 2008 11:04 AM (gv6Tj)

116

#115 - He's also bringing a big bag of dumbass.

Drudge headline says Bush is angry that the "8th grader-Elect" has leaked info about their private meeting to the press...

Someone should take the cool, hip guy aside and explain to him what a "private meeting" is....

He was probably mad that Bush didn't let him bring in a snazzy new sign or attach his fake seal to the desk....

 

Posted by: jana at November 11, 2008 11:08 AM (vSRlG)

117

"While many are expecting Obama to bring a helping of change to Washington, he's also going to bring a side order of cool."

Yeah this Erkle, jean bike riding, 37 bowling, stutterer is the essence of cool.  And by cool I mean dorky.

Posted by: polynikes at November 11, 2008 11:09 AM (m2CN7)

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Posted by: Frank G at November 11, 2008 11:33 AM (P0rQD)

119 This IS Obama's first real job, isn't it?  If it weren't so sad, it would be fun to watch the next 4 years.

Angry White Dude

Posted by: angry white dude at November 11, 2008 11:48 AM (XYzZq)

120 Uh em Uh Chaaaaaaaaaange

Posted by: Obama Zombie at November 11, 2008 11:49 AM (m2CN7)

121 I don't see how this is a "lack of leadership".  I don't expect Obama to shut his team up under lock and key until they're ready to implement huge, sweeping, important changes.

Hell. 

We heard all the bad shit about the bailout two weeks before it happened.  We didn't even hear the bad news from Bush, and when questioned about it, they had to "clarify" some of the language in the bill.

I don't bring that up to show Bush in a bad light, I bring it up to show that appointees and cabinet members talking about reform, new laws, etc in advance doesn't have any bearing on leadership ability.

Posted by: Palooka at November 11, 2008 11:54 AM (QlZjK)

122 Hell.

The AP article sourced in the OP even states that all of this is just theoretical posturing.

Another Obama non issue.

Save the froth for when he does screw something up.  Cry wolf, etc etc.

Posted by: Palooka at November 11, 2008 11:55 AM (QlZjK)

123

and you'd better hope noone under the age of 30 gets a job or has kids

Thread winnah!

Posted by: VJay at November 11, 2008 12:04 PM (gQ+XA)

124 >Posted by: Cam at November 11, 2008 09:54 AM (6+j77)

die in a fire faggot

Posted by: ol-dirty-/b/tard at November 11, 2008 12:17 PM (IoUF1)

125

Indecision is one of the worst traits that a leader can have.

I've never seen Obama as any sort of leader.  The "Obama brings people together" meme doesn't really fit the data.  2 years of non-stop fawning and gushing  from the press (combined with overwhelming negative press bias toward his rivals), great oratorical skills, white guilt, a deeply unpopular President from the opposite party, 80% of voters think the country is on the wrong track, an unprecedented global financial crisis and a rival that couldn't articulate a coherent economic argument to save his (the rival's) life and Obama wins 53% of the popular vote?  Big woop.  Moreover, Obama could never seal the deal with HRC's voters all on his own.  Bill and Hill had to get up on stage at the DNC and lie through their teeth to get those voters to back Obama.  He's not a leader and the only people he's brought together are black voters and the so-called "wine track" Democratic voting constituency (e.g., college kids and latte liberals).  To be fair, McCain really isn't a leader either.  Mavericks are individualists and subversive by nature (as most conservatives can attest).  But at least McCain stood for something greater than himself: His country. In contrast, Obama is just an opportunist and enigmatic conman that manipulates his cons into doing his bidding (while the rest of us look on in wonder what exactly are we missing with this guy.)   

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126 JJJimmuh Cartuh all ovah agin.

Posted by: trentk269 at November 11, 2008 02:04 PM (i6cFP)

127 Ambiguous Is His Middle Name and It's Amateur Hour at the Office of the President-elect

See, here's another thing. What the hell is this "Office of the President-elect", anyway? There really isn't any such thing, is there? It's not any kind of a formally defined and invested office. It's just an important-sounding title Obama pulled out of his ass.

It sounds like Obama is one of those guys who is very much enamored of the trappings of office; the titles, ceremonies, decor, dress, etc.To bad we can't just give him the title of Viscount d'Hope et la Change, set him aside, and get some adults to run the country.

Posted by: OregonMuse at November 11, 2008 02:18 PM (FO+YO)

128 And you all wonder why you lost this election...

Posted by: Cam at November 11, 2008 04:46 PM (6+j77)

129 And CNN has released a poll that he already has a 64% approval raiting on what he has already accomplished!

All Good News, All The Time!

Posted by: Robin Mac at November 11, 2008 04:52 PM (6uXZa)

130 Viscount d'Hope et la Change

I laughed out loud, in a dark and sorry way.

Posted by: toby928 at November 11, 2008 05:15 PM (evdj2)

131

#129 -- Uhhhh, what exactly has he accomplished in the 6 days since he's been elected?

Are they counting not falling down as an accomplishment?  Getting dressed in the morning?  Keeping Kinko's in business printing self-important signs?

Hell, forget the last 6 days... what has he accomplished in his 48 years on the planet, other than pull off the biggest con job of all time?

Posted by: jana at November 11, 2008 06:59 PM (vSRlG)

132 Ambiguous Is His Middle Name Finger


FIFY

Posted by: cheshirecat at November 11, 2008 10:53 PM (ZRer4)

133 Hmm, it may appear as if Obama is not in control of his staff, but that is a blind. At the risk of sounding hysterical, he displays similar personnel management skills as one Adolf Hitler, who let factions within his organization war with each other and one up each other as they all fought for a higher status. To be succinct, he manipulated them.  I wonder how many  pre-WWI I  Germans were ridiculed for expecting the worst. An another note, Hitler also felt great shame and at a turning point in his life vowed to enter politics. A look at non-revised historical data reveals a lot of other similarities in their motivations and manners. Heh, Hitler was a great orator also.

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Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
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