1 Hey, listen buddy, TRUE progressives know a Zionist conspiracy WHEREVER they find one

2

Clearly we are the racist buffoons and have no right to criticize these fair and tolerant people.

3 Having Rahm around makes Obama immune to criticism from ANYONE, even the Jews (and the Scandis!)

4

Yeah, and he can give advice about Fannie and Freddie as well.

5 I read an article that made a big deal about the fact that (a) Obama was considering Volcker for Treasury and (b) Volcker was Jewish.

It seems to me that the Obama administration is getting ready to screw Israel big time and wants cover.

6 #5 -- What's odd about that?  All the best gangstas and rap artists have Jewish money men.

7 For some strange reason I am so looking forward to Jan 22 ... let the games begin.

Obama administration predication: Limited leadership from the O, and as a result of the power vacuum, massive in-fighting among the factions in his administration. I just cannot imagine Emmanuel and Susan Rice as seeing eye to eye.

8 we need a bet thread... like will obama lead or sit back. will he push and agenda or be pushed by an agenda (nancy/harry). what favors does he need to fulfill? its hard to know how he will govern.

9 New I was thinking the same thing.

10 Obama  will sit back and do nothing.  He is a Chocolate Ken who will be manipulated by whoever talks to him last.

Or has he put his agenda page back up yet?

11 It could be fun to watch the different democrat factions fight over the next 4 years. In fact if republicans can encourage it would be even better. It's already started between the gays and blacks in California.

12 Who gives a crap if he's Jewish?

Rahm Emanuel Lewis, I call him.
Now that's funny.

13

its hard to know how he will govern.

This guy (and his puppetmasters) know the value of a red herring. He'll periodically propose something like forced volunteerism to keep us occupied while he slowly turns the economic ship towards socialism. He won't overdo it, though. He'll wait until his second term, after he's proven his "good judgment" to go rabid commie dictator on us.

14 A vote for Obama was a vote for the destruction of Israel - plain and simple.

15
Obama administration predication: Limited leadership from the O, and as a result of the power vacuum, massive in-fighting among the factions in his administration. I just cannot imagine Emmanuel and Susan Rice as seeing eye to eye.

Obama is under the mistaken impression that he is the president.  He will be disabused of that notion soon enough.  He is a puppet and every Democrat thinks they have a string.

I think he's a committed Marxist who believes in redistribution, even if it makes everybody worse off.  He's marinated in rhetoric that talks about the "revolution".  He won't be able to help himself.  Look at how often he has to change his websites.  But he has to not only please every member of the Leftist coalition, but he also can't do anything too outrageous to piss off moderate voters.  They have no idea how radical he is.

16

It's going to be "interesting" (to use a loaded word) watching Obama try to keep his coalition of supporters together. Leftwingers, liberals, left-of-center types, young, old, internationalists, isolationists, non-interventionists, pro-Israel, anti-Israel, et cetera et cetera. A mile wide but an inch deep (in terms of agreement).

Just an anti-communism held together the disparate right of center movements and groups during the GOP rise to power, anti-Republicanism/Bush held together Obama's myriad supporters  on election day.

Taken away Bush and all of these contradictory forces are held together by what? Obama's personality? That will fade.

Chris Matthews may not like it; but a successful Obama presidency will take some fancy footwork and interest group juggling.

 

 

 

17 Obama has a record from which to judge how he'll govern.

Speculating about it is just a question of whether you believe (after that record leading to him becoming President of United States) he'll inexplicably decide to do a complete 180 and act differently.

18 #14 Airedale ---

Unfortunately, you are correct. A more nuanced and fair-minded approach will be much appreciated by the savage dictatorships that surround the only democracy, and our only Ally and friend in the middle east. And they will take advantage of it very quickly.

And since I am a Jew, am I allowed to call Rahm a back-stabbing kike?

19 Rahm makes me think the strategic bombing of Iran's nuke facilities will be a forthcoming probability. 

20 Wait, before Rahm you didn't think the strategic bombing of Iran's nuke facilities was probable?

21 ... I mean really.  Wait awhile - bide your time.  The correct opportunity will present itself soon enough. When the one makes a whopper, they'll be glad to have him around.  (Can't have the one taking the blame, now can we.)

22

I have been hoping, perhaps foolishly, that Emmanuel's position in the Obama administration would benefit Israel. I have been literally terrified of what an Obama presidency would mean for Israel.

23

Rahm makes me think the strategic bombing of Iran's nuke facilities will be a forthcoming probability. 

Yeah, by the IAF not the USAF.

 

24

I get it. Rahm is a good Jew, not one of those bad Jews who manipulated Bush.

A pro-Obama friend of ours was circulating an email talking up Rahm's father, as if to say this proves Obama's OK on Israel.  Pure insanity.  Attila's third law of politics:  If you need to invoke you chief of staff's yichus, you don't have much of a case.

25 Old Rahm is a giant pain in the ass, but his is Pro-Israel.   And he's not ashamed to be an American either.  He's not a bad choice at all.  Probably why the far left despises him.

26 Yeah, I've seen the little Jew-jibes in comments on HuffPo, too. They're obsessed. Then you have gays screaming the n-word at blacks in LA, and in enlightened Philly, Palin is a c***.

Everyone outside of NY-LA-SF-Seattle is a mouthbreathing cracker.

I never let anyone get away with telling me that Dems are less bigoted than I am.

27 Kevin:

I never thought Bush was willing to dig a little deeper into the shit hole of war. The libtards would become a nightmare more so than now. Now that it's on the Messiah's watch an Iranian bombing is more palatable. Just my 2 cents.

28

I am a religious Jew and first became attracted to the conservative movement due to its generalized loyalty to Israel.  Since that time (decades ago), I have never heard anthing but strong support for Israel from conservatives (unless you consider Pat B. a conservative which I don't).  The extremely unfortunate reality is that most non-Jewish conservatives are much stronger on Israel than many American Jews.  It really doesn't matter what Rahm's background is - you really have to wait and see if he is a) supportive of Israel amd b) influential on Israel in the administration.  Even then, if he turns out not be completely mercenary, he could be fired quite quickly if he goes against the prevailing plan of the administration.

Basically his appointment gives me small but not infinitesimal comfort.

29 Well Fuck:

Rahm's appointment really means shit in reality; especially if you think it means Obama is Pro-Israel now. Juxtapose this against the fact there were collaborative Jews on the Nazis payroll in WWII.

30 At a dinner to celebrate President Clinton's first election victory, Mr Emanuel began to name those who he believed had earned his enmity. As he listed the names of those he saw as traitors, he grabbed a steak knife, stood up and began plunging the knife into the table and shouting "Dead! Dead! Dead!" after each name.

Gee, appointing this guy this just gives me a warm feeling all over!

31 My thoughts have recently solidified around the concepts voiced by Tom #11. We know that O'Dumbo has a remarkable record of not accomplishing anything after he has been propelled into leadership positions. NOTHING, zip,zero,nada. Why are we afraid that this life-long trait is going to reverse itself 180 degree's and result in some uberfuerer. The guy has about as much substance as a saucer full of distilled water. He may sit in the chair but he wont be holding the reins. Our mission now must be to cause so much discontent within and between his coalition commrads that no one can steer a course to anywhere.

32 Well Rahm's dad was a member of some hardcore Israeli hit squad back in the day. Plus, you oughta be able to handle yourself in the school yard if you're a fuckin' ballet dancer.

33 Well, since Rahmbo is so pro Israel, maybe that will bode well for them as long as that low budget turd is around. CoS types don't tend to stay overlong long in the job and then Urkel McRezkochimp is free to let someone of the Israel hating variety try to lay the smack down on the Jewish State.
Will we help in that case? Did having Shaq help his new team? No. He cost alot and took up space and that's precisely what Urkel and his number two, as in a big dump, Plugs O Biden will be doing when it all  happens...taking up space and nothing else.
Urkel's affilitation is to the Luo tribe of Kenya, Israel is a place he has no great need for. I look to see their foreign aide to be cut back or done away with altogether as well.
But being a religious person myself I have a idea what's coming and I think Urkel is just the opening volley of a very long dark time.
Just saying.

34 Why are we afraid that this life-long trait is going to reverse itself 180 degree's and result in some uberfuerer. The guy has about as much substance as a saucer full of distilled water. He may sit in the chair but he wont be holding the reins. Our mission now must be to cause so much discontent within and between his coalition commrads that no one can steer a course to anywhere. Posted by: hephaestus

Yeah, and there was this silly little man with a moustache from Austria that wasn't taken seriously either. A failed watercolour painter who has never done much in his life, never run a business, or succeeded at much of anything.

What could a man like that do?

35

No one whatsoever is saying Rahm isn't tough - quite the opposite.  The problem is to what use his toughness will be put.  And unfortunately most (80%?) Jews in this country - Rahm's family and community - will support a Democrat past the point of sanity.  There are none so blind as those who will not see, so Rahm is unlikely to get flack from his community and synogogue if the Obama administration takes a significantly pro-arab tack.  And those of us Jews who are conservative have no influence whatsoever on someone like Rahm.  I know Asher Lopatin (Rahm's rabbi) and he is a lovely, warm hearted guy who is extremely into interreligous outreach.  As such, Rahm is likely to get a lot of personal support even if the administration starts putting a heck of a lot of pressure on Israel.  Remember, there is a fairly big "Peace Now" movement amoungst both U.S. and Israeli Jews who think the Bush administration was far too militant and look forward to a more "balanced" approach on the Obama administration's part.  So, again, take only very small comfort from Rahm's appointment. 

36

One more thing:  despite everyone I know (including my parents and siblings) telling me how pro-Israel Rahm E. is, I am unable to find an obvious political example of this.  Sure, he volunteered to rust-proof vehicles in Israel during the Gulf War, but I would have liked to have seen more vocal political positions to back up his pro-Israel credentials.

I really wouldn't take it for granted that someone is pro-Israel because he is Jewish.  Let's see what happens and I hope he turns out to be a force for good (seriously, I'm not joking).

37 I tell you, we need to crash the site lefty sites posing as "concerned liberals" and decry this Likudnik neocon warmonger.

For instance "As a long time atheist liberal, I've supported the Democratic party in its struggle on behalf of the oppressed Palestinian people. I'm deeply concerned that a person like Rahm Emanuel has gained such a prominent position in our party. He's a more militant version of Paul Wolfowitz!"

 

38 Rahm makes me think the strategic bombing of Iran's nuke facilities will be a forthcoming probability.

You forgot your sarcasm tag.

39 Slightly off topic but does anyone have an idea who actually writes the web site stuff - it would be interesting to know the actual authors and editors? How is it they would post something that is sure to get everyone questioning so that within hours it is down again? I understand we all think it is diversionary - but most of us pay attention to more than one issue at a time - some grab different issues to follow - but it seems we aren't missing too many items to question - so it seems diversionary isn't working here? What is it going on really then? Who is the idiot factor on their team (stay focused here - none of that all of them answers, heh) that make such monumental errors in judgement - granted the minions of Obamabots could care less - but even idiots should figure out some smart folks are keeping notes, paying attention to details, saving screen shots, etc. Of course, then there are just some likie me -- I am not a political professional, not saving screen shots, not even memorizing it all -- I am just internalizing for the day when it all boils over the pot - there have always been guns in our house (and now in four son's homes) and there has always been a fiercely independent streak in all of us -- and basically I am not a forgiving sort of person (I have tried for way too many years and God deals with me about it but guess that is my personal failure - I hold grudges way WAY too long)-- and so basically it means I will not grant anyone their 100 days of honeymoon -- no one is granting me one (if they were, the money would be back in my 401-0) and Zero would be speaking out about what a gal Palin is and to drop the hate and race rhetoric - but he isn't (big zero) and the money isn't back - and my elephant memory is not forgetting and not forgiving.But something keeps niggling at me about why write something and then take it down -- something fishy smelly rancid there and not sure who or what or why - but the who might be a starting place?

40 Travis-while I'm not minimizing the potential of this megalomaniac throwing a major monkey wrench into the gears of our republic, the historical perspective of  interwar Germany and the generalized anarchy that existed in most of  Post-great war Europe is in no way comparable to the situation a modern, mostly mid-to right America faces today. My premise is only that O'Bimbo and his cabal of leftists may be able to motivate the hippies to slouch into the polling places, but I doubt that he will inspire anyone to storm the barricades if push comes to shove. On the other hand, O'Bidet is more likely to inspire unity within the ranks of true patriots like us. Latest news releases attest to the fact that the citizenry is armed and getting stronger by the day.

41 I bet comrade Rahm is feeling a little bitter and clingy right now.

42

This guy is our worst nightmare.  A mercenary socialist who does not take prisoner. 

Re education camps, yes if you disagree with him. 

He will take over. 

Be VERY AFRAID, he is a communist, pure and simple.  He also knows he is smarter that "the one" and will run the entire deal.

Jezze, we are fucked.  Where to send our cash??

Kemp

43 It's nice to know that after having a history of only being liberal and fiercely partisan the NewSpeak of Pradva keeps referring to Runt Emmanuel as being  a centrist and bi-partisan. Maybe they are just saying that so Runt won't get out of his high chair and call out their name and yell DEAD while stabbing a table.

44 Well hephaestus I certainly hope you are correct, but the playbook from Mussolini's Italy, The Bolsheviks in Imperial Russia, and pre-Nazi Germany is being followed a little too closely for me to be comfortable.

Internet/street activists making life miserable for those who defy him is only the beginning. These guys don't come from the traditional Democratic pool so many people see them as hailing from.

The loss of the educational system to the far left and the collapse of the American mythos has left a fractured culture that does not share common values. You cannot democratically rule a people who do not share a common moral code. Laws are encoded morals and they must have a source.

Should lewd women be stoned? Sharia laws says yes, Christian law says no. Someone has to pass a law, one way or the other. The gays vs blacks in California over Prop. 8 is an example. The Democrats utilize group identity politics to win power and therefore have a vested interest in institutionlizing such divisions. The increasingly diverse structure of American, politically, socially, racially, culturally, and theological give the Democrats a significant advantage. Like the Fascists they can utilize the Syndicate/Identity Group structure to govern. Old fashioned Classical Liberals or modern Conservatives cannot.

p.s. I think you underestimate how viscious hippies are and how quickly people will follow along as there rarely comes a point where you can say...'Now the revolution'. The bureacrat sends you a letter requiring you to register all firearms for safety purposes and most people will do so.

45 Putin is having a fuckin' ball with the outcome of this election. The Russians have even hailed it as the decline of the West. Are we supposed to play "diversity makes you feel good" and "circle jerk about gays' rights" as Russia cuts our throat? This is country is like the RMS Titanic and the fucker is going doooowwwnnn.

46 Emanuel is a raving hyper partisan.  He covered his ass with regards to his role in Freddie Mac here.

"Pelosi and her aides have made it clear they were not going to "whip" or twist the arms of members who did not want to vote, but they also made no effort to rally any support for a bill they attempted to hijack over the weekend.

Further, according to House Oversight Committee staff, Emanuel has received assurances from Pelosi that she will not allow what he termed a "witch hunt" to take place during the next Congressional session over the role Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac played in the economic crisis.

Emanuel apparently is concerned the roles former Clinton Administration members may have played in the mortgage industry collapse could be politically -- or worse, if the Department of Justice had its way, legally -- treacherous for many.

47 Debbie Schlussel says Rahm's mother was a leftie and indocrinated the kids.

So, the Kos Kids can hate the Dad, safely, and love the Mom, and continue to go pazzo over Rahm.

48

Y'know, this "Obama's going to round us all up" nonsense has to be stopped soon. Like, for me, right about now.

There is no evidence that Barack Obama or the people around him today have any designs or plans to "round us up" or build camps. None. Zip.

If one wants to argue the old concern expressed by a myriad of sociologists or political philosophers that democracy contains the seeds of a, what Tocqueville called "bland despotism", or what Madison called the "tyranny of the majority", then make that point. It's a fair argument.

But this Obama as Pol Pot or Stalin or Mao argument is just asinine.

 

 

49 Travis-we seem to talking apples and oranges. The left and O'Dimwit do understand the power of pschology and the use of the media to project their influence, In times of peace that will hold some formidable advantage. This election, in my opinion, has clearly demonstrated that we are either in the run up to or at the point of no return prior to civil war. Look around you, the threads of our civilization are seperating one by one. This changes everything for everyone and sides must and will be drawn. My contention is that the majority of Americans will choose our constitutional heritage and defend it with the same determination as the founding fathers. Under that scenario, which I firmly believe is closer than most people realize, I am confident that our cause will prevail. To ascribe any of the characteristics of Hitler, Mussolini, or the Bolshiviks on O'Bambi and his army of featherweight flower children is to totally overestimate your enemies abilities and organization. I am more convinced than ever that we will see civil war on some scale in our lifetime. If that is the case, our side is in the cat bird seat.

50 ericH,
Keep telling yourself that.  It will be small comfort when they try to shut you up.

51

Civil War or bust.

I'd give anything to live in a strictly red state America.

52

I noted before that Rahm bears a faint resemblance to Himmler

Also there is perverted irony that the Messiah chose Emanuel

53 Posted by: hephaestus

I agree with everything you said, except that I think that the socialists usually turn out to be a lot more rabid than their opponents give them credit for.

54

Travis- out here in fly over country, we have a lot of rabid skunks, coyotes,  raccoons and BATS. We know how to put down rabid critters. Socialists and communists are no exception. Thanks for the stimulating conversation, a real treat!

55

I think he's a committed Marxist who believes in redistribution, even if it makes everybody worse off.  He's marinated in rhetoric that talks about the "revolution".  He won't be able to help himself.  Look at how often he has to change his websites.  But he has to not only please every member of the Leftist coalition, but he also can't do anything too outrageous to piss off moderate voters.  They have no idea how radical he is.

I partcipate in Zogby's online polls.  He started one over the weekend that is interesting.  Many of the questions were (paraphrasing) "Would the following piece of information about Obama that was hidden by the media have influenced your decision to vote for him?"  (I might have added the part about the media, but the implication was there. )  He had about a dozen questions of this type in the survey.  About half of them were references to his more radical views.  It will be interesting to see the results.

56 I guess we'll soon see if Emanuel is one of those tame House Jews, eh?

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