1 What's wrong with this dude?
How can still have a job?

2 If a nice rack is wrong, I don't wanna be right.

3
The gay and black political affiliations are at cross-purposes. Good luck nurturing the Love with those identity pollitics

4 I thought Dow 35000 was the stupidest thing the Atlantic published.  They've outdone themselves.  Congratulations.

5 Lesbians aren't the only ones who like nice tits .

6 The blame males for depriving us of a possible Bruni-Palin smooch at a summit.

Bastards.

7 strange dude right there

8 This is one annoying cockman.

9

What's wrong with this dude?

More to the point, what's wrong with The Atlantic for publishing Sully's erotic musings. I'm sure I could do a better job for half the money.

All right, I couldn't. But Ace could.

10 I consider this kinda innocuous, if stupid.

It's just Andrew being a misogynistic pig. No surprises here.

11 This is, I remind you, the most important one-man blog on the internet

Not for long if you don't provide links when you go off on one of your lesbian /tittie narratives .

12 Why does Drudge still link this whack job? I thought Drudge liked Palin.

Oh, and lesbians/Palin/rack all in the same sentence? Bunk.

13 You think you guys feel bad. How rotten is it that we have to look at Biden instead of Todd Palin. I feel so terribly cheated.

14 So, lesbians vote for whoever has the nicest tits

And this puts me at a disadvantage with the Titted-American demographic.

15 bill d. cat,

I meant sullivan is the most important blog on the internet, by his own estimation.

Most important or most popular, forget which.

16 Andrew Sullivan was looking through the dumpsters of Wasilla for Trig's placenta I hear for some afternoon lunch with Tom Cruise.

17 Gee, do you think it might just have something to do with the fact that Obama voters, specifically minority Obama voters,  aren't fans of gay marriage?

18 Andrew Sullivan can suck my dick, kiss my ass and lick my nuts.

19 "Most important or most popular, forget which."

Might I suggest "most obsessive"?

Sullivan is out of his gourd. This cannot be repeated enough. Or understated.

20 Andrew Sullivan can suck my dick.

...

Wait, no.  I'm going to have to rethink this.  Never mind.

Oh, and fuck  you, Andrew.

21 The lesbian opinions don't bother me because I like pussy too!

22 "Why does Drudge still link this whack job?"
Posted by: Jim62sch at November 08, 2008 08:13 PM (6rQXk)

Absolutely mystifying.  Drudge should realize that the foolish twat is only a big leaguer because of his link.

23 Sullivan wouldn't know a good rack if it hit him in the face, unless it belonged to Christopher Buckley or that Hitchens guy.

24 New Palin Scandal!

Palin wants to turn Canada into water park, hates Chucky Cheese

25

Sully Dilemma:

Give up the dark meat or get some justice by yelling "n*ggar" while getting pumped in the RAWMUSCLEGLUTES since he might have voted against gay marriage?

 

26 Andrew Sullivan can suck my dick.

...

Wait, no.  I'm going to have to rethink this.  Never mind.

Oh, and fuck  you, Andrew.

Better rethink that one, too.

27 "What's wrong with this dude?"

Well for starters, he eats other guy's dicks.

28

So, lesbians vote for whoever has the nicest tits.

So who has the nicest tits, Obama or McCain?

29

Maybe there was a particular lesbian bond with Clinton

What the fuck does that mean?

And why does it have to be about sex? Some people base their political standpoints on...what are they called...issues.

Maybe gays really really disliked Bush more than McCain. Ya think? Oh, only with a certain part of your anatomy, apparently.

I'm tempted to write to him as a Concerned Conservative Lesbian who really digs Michelle Obama.

 

30 In a normal political environment. Gays would be solid Republicans. They are mostly white, mostly well off, and want to be left alone for the most part.

31 I never learn anything worth knowing by reading an AS column.

I never feel fulfilled having read the vitriol that follows a post about an AS column.

I feel slightly dumber after reading a thread of comments on an AS post.

I feel like I'm rubbernecking at the rubberneckers by reading AS-post comments.

Beer, please.

32

God,

please drown Andrew Sullivan in a vat full of cheap beer and moose stew, forever... ahmen 

33 "I never learn anything worth knowing by reading an AS column.

I never feel fulfilled having read the vitriol that follows a post about an AS column.

I feel slightly dumber after reading a thread of comments on an AS post.

I feel like I'm rubbernecking at the rubberneckers by reading AS-post comments.

Beer, please."

Yeah' but the word "lesbian" was in the story and that always grabs our eye here...that's all that matters.

So go stick that beer can up your well lubed ass.

34 What a pig that man is. An pathetic misogynist. He judges others by what he is capable of. He adores Obama for his brown skin and lezbos (like me) like Palin for her rack. Jesus, that guy loves to hate. No, Mr. Cornholer, we are repulsed by Obama because he is a fraud. He runs from the gays and used a homohater on his campaign trail to rally the black churches and homophobia among black males. He really makes me sick.
P.S. I am a former democrat. I am now disgusted by the democratic party and it's misogyny, bigotry, race baiting, corruption and hypocrisy. I'm not a republican but I definitely see your point of view of many issues now. The msm is a disgrace.

35 "Better rethink that one, too."
Posted by: Jim62sch at November 08, 2008 08:28 PM (6rQXk)

Hmmm, you're right.

I piss on Andrew Sullivan.

...

Dammit, that's no good, either!

36 "Mr. Cornholer"

BawwwwHawww!!!!

Good one.

37 Maybe there was a particular lesbian bond with Clinton

What the fuck does that mean?

C'mon, where you been? Hillary's a champion carpet muncher. She's been doing that actress Mastrantonio for years..

38 In a normal political environment. Gays would be solid Republicans. They are mostly white, mostly well off, and want to be left alone for the most part.

Maybe this is wonky of me, but I think the FairTax would help take some of these issues off the table. Social cons (and I say this as a person with some social-con principles) are sometimes trying to use the tax code for social engineering in this area and this causes resentment in the gay community.

Get the government out of the marriage thing altogether - gay or straight. Let marriage be a private contractual issue and/or a religious bond rather than a government thing.

39 off topic; but I was wondering if I am not clicking the right thing over at
"change-dot-gov-slash americaserves"
Earlier today I saw some stuff about the internet etc..and now nothing.

*I'll go back and triple check*
I was going there to bring the internet subject from that page up here
*blinks*
Yeah, earlier today when I clicked "agenda" there was an agenda.

40 I currently know one gay guy personally (not THAT personally though).  He was so pro-Moses that I swear he wanted 10,000 of his babies.  But then, he hated all Republicans and would scapegoat them for literally anything.  However, the black folk I know hate gays.  And we hear famous blacks publicly bashing gays.  I would think a number of gays would have taken note of this.  All anecdotal, but it adds up.

41

i think railwriter's "AS" stands for Andrew Sullivan, not Ace of Spades

 

42 Is SNL on live tonight? Is Hillary a lesbian? I had always heard rumors but never really knew?

43 The only thing Andrew Sullivan is good for anymore is identifying morons.  That is, whenever someone I know links approvingly to an Andrew Sullivan column, particularly one of his love letters to Barack Obama, especially if it's done to present an example of a conservative who supports Obama, I know that person is a moron.

44 "i think railwriter's "AS" stands for Andrew Sullivan, not Ace of Spades"

Oops! My bad.

You gotta admit the beer can line was funny though.

45 C'mon, where you been? Hillary's a champion carpet muncher. She's been doing that actress Mastrantonio for years.

Damn you, Mike! I've been wanting to do Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio since Scarface and now you've screwed it up!

46 "However, the black folk I know hate gays."

Yup, every last one of the ones I know, all of them stark raving Obamabots, too.  I enjoy equating the plight of blacks to the plight of gays in front of them, too.  It drives them nuts. 

47 Sorry about Mary Elizabeth, Jim. But don't give up hope. I once asked a lesbian why she hated cock. She said, I don't hate cock, I hate what's attached to it.

48 Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio is a lesbian??? Holy fuck that's hot!!!

49

the beer can line did make me chuckle..

 

50

Mike Force, do you think he was trying to say that Hillary is a lesbian? I think he wasn't, which makes it even more stupid.

But if Ace wanted to put up a flaming skull and claim Sullivan said that...

I demand Hillary's medical records to disprove his claim!!1!

51 i thought she was doing that hot middle-eastern aide of hers...

52 "the beer can line did make me chuckle.."

"thank you...thank you...I'll be here till friday...try the veal"

53 She's married to Bill. She can do both of them.

54 I guess it would never occur to Sullivan that sexuality isn't always the singular, all-encompassing factor in some people's lives and decision processes.

55 Hey Y'all - we're trying to get past the sexism and misogyny. My old team wouldn't do it. The gleefully embraced it against Hillary and Sarah.
I'm hoping we can expect more from the R's. When you call Hillary a carpet muncher, you're basically saying that a strong woman is a dyke. That she's not really a woman....she's a man.
Please don't be like them.
I got into a screaming match here in san francisco with two "progressive" brats wearing the famous "sarah palin is a c*nt" tshirt. I also went around the city with can of spray paint spraying out dozens of the posters of sarah palin as a fanged wolf (done in the Obama stalinist poster style).
I was hoping you guys would have your eyelids blown off to the misogyny towards sarah and see how nasty it is towards ANY woman.

56 No, seriously, doesn't immigrating and then running around, barebacking with HIV violate some kind of law that could get him deported?

Surely that kind of behavior by visitors to this country is frowned upon by one of our many government agencies.

57 or maybe he's just implying that ppl like Palin because she is physically attractive, but that doesn't hold water because i like Bobby Jindal and with the exception of my on Representative (Tim Johnson,(R) IL. 19th) he is perhaps the ugliest politican out there, lol

58 Wow, what a big surprise. Jackass.

59 Why is andy being such a pissy little bitch? His side won.

For now

60 Hahaha, sheesh, dawgs, I meant that shit metaphorically. I love my dick .

61 there's a lot of pent up resentment for Hillary round here... sorry if it comes out ugly on occasion 

62 i thought she was doing that hot middle-eastern aide of hers...

Huma Abedin? No, she likes Weiner.

63 sarah, I don't think the average moron sees lesbianism as a negative.

64 I used to really like the Atlantic, even if I disagreed with the thrust of the articles. But Sullivan is just ruining it for me.

65 Yep, AS = Sullivan

Made me chuckle, too.

Now swallow, butterbar. And THEN bring a beer, haha.

66 Are lesbians "breast girls" the way men are "breast men"???? That's a new one on me, never heard of lesbians being hung up on breasts. At least, not from the any lesbian friends I have.

Side note: as a guy, hitting the bars with a lesbian friend to chase women together is pretty fucking awesome. She'll work pretty hard to get you laid.

Unless she wants the same woman you do. Then, in her eyes, you turn into the spawn of Satan. Hide the cutlery.

67 Mark @ 59:
"Why is andy being such a pissy little bitch? His side won. "

Because Sullivan is a pissy little bitch.

68 Sarah, I sincerely did not mean "carpet muncher" as an insult. It's that gruff working class street corner talk. And I'm not just making it up. I got it from one of my lesbian friends here in NY. She was bragging.

69

#62

i was hoping someone would pick up on that, lol

 

70 I meant sullivan is the most important blog on the internet, by his own estimation.

Hey , that was always implied . All I was getting at was , when it comes to lesbian porn links ........ you just don't seem to have the same GUSTO as you usually do .

71 AS, through use of identity politics throughout his writing, shows his own self-hating gay views and opinions.  No self-respecting gay or lesbian would attempt to explain voting patterns based upon a beautiful set of mammaries or a Mr. Marcus-sized dong.  That line of thought only tends to support and bolster the whack-job argument that homosexuals' lives revolve around untethered sex, pride day parades and really bitchin' house music.  However, AS isn't comfortable with his own sexuality and tends to either play it up in one post and then only to denigrate it in another.   

AS's irrelevance only appears to be lessen in direct proportion to his degree of cozying up to Obama.  If not for this, who in the MSM would pay attention to this guy?

By the way, his "book" on Oakenshott if fucking unreadable and a disservice to a great conservative thinker.  

72 Shoey,
Thanks for that. Really. I'm in a bit off culture shock after the primary/general and seeing the ugly side of the Democrats. You guys have your own history and resentments and it's not really my place to ask you to change. But I'm still trying to find a new home/point of view and I thougt I'd try to speak up and see how I was received. 1000x more openminded and fair than those lefty hate swamps!

73 If love for you meant getting a cock jammed in your ass, you'd be a "pissy little bitch," too.

Like a chef I worked for used to say: "Fags? They're heroes. They go places I wouldn't, and I'm a bad motherfucker."

74

Andy is still being a pissy little bitch because he's afraid of Palin, if Palin and those like her come to dominate the GOP Sullivan, Will, Noonan and the rest of that bunch will have a much harder time claiming any kind of conservative creditentals.

good riddance, to bad rubbish

75 Sarah:  I think the gay community should have a permanent home in the Republican Party.  I can't see where the State has any business is saying who and who cannot have a relationship/union.  A religion, as a private organization, has the right to define marriage as it sees fit.  The State, on the other hand, does not. 

76 What a complete turd - does this guy read??? How's this for all the uneducated about that One gays out there who voted for Oblowme - they sure must have been surprised to find out the Obama campaign sent out robo calls to the AA communities telling them to vote yes, for Prop 8 - effectively killing their marriage rights. Same thing in Fl and in Ar about gay adoption. Some in the gay community already saw what Oblowme did along the way and figured out he was a piece of shit. It's been a topic of conversation all over the blogs one in a long list of why Oblowme is scum. Maybe the author should get his brain out of pants. We've also been talking about voter fraud - not so much interesting to a misogynist eh?

77 AS is like a flycaster that changes his offering too often. He's casting all around the rills looking for a bite, but he lacks the patience to learn the hatch, sell the right fly, and fish the right rock. Consequently, he's got a fickle audience.

Mediocrity.

78 and seeing the ugly side of the Democrats.

There's another side?

79

no problem Sarah,

things can be kinda raw here at times, we tend to just say what's on our minds without worrying too much about who doesn't like it, lots of times we don't agree with each other and things can get pretty heated.

and then there's the foul language,

and the personal insults,

and always the gayness, just simmering under the surface waiting to come out, lol

and one last thing, notice the startling lack of homeless ppl in the proximity of any AoS moron's dwelling.... quiet it's a secret. 

80 No. No. He can't be that stupid. He's a vile, mean sack of excrement, but he can't be that stupid.

Gay marriage, Andrew. It's kind of a big issue these days. Perhaps you weren't aware. (He said with sarcasm so thick Andrew could use it for a butt toy.) Or perhaps you've been so laser-focused on finding Trig's real mother that you forgot. Gays and lesbians (at least the ones inclined to vote Democrat) are largely for it. The One, at least personally...my understanding is, not so much.

81

Posted by: sarah at November 08, 2008 09:19 PM (01ULW)

Welcome; please stay.  We are what we are (morons, mainly), but we love our lesbians, usually.  We would never turn on them like the Donks.  Quite frankly, Hillary being a lesbian could only elevate her in my eyes.

82 That said...to any sisters of the other persuasion who may in fact have voted for Sarah because of her girls...excellent choice! We should sit down sometime, have a few adult bevs and compare notes.

83 Hell, I voted for Andrew since he had the nicest tits, I thought.

84

I'm trying to be dismissive of Sullivan, but to be honest I just feel sorry for him.  He's like that guy (William Hung?) from American Idol--no idea how idiotic he sounds and no idea that, yes, they are laughing AT and not WITH.

85 sarah, a little further,

I don't support gay marriage, at least not the way it's been "introduced," (i.e., via judicial fiats).  I take the whole "standing athwart history yelling "stop" part of conservatism seriously and think that, as a society, we should be way more cautious about doing something that pretty much no other society in human history has done (changing the definition of marriage to include same-sex couplings).

That said, I love my gay friends, honor their relationships and am glad to support any sort of civil unions that protect their rights. 

86 Sullivan is an idiot. 

If a nice rack got my vote, I would've written in Lisa Edelstein for president. 

I'm so sick of people asking me how I could've voted for McCain as a homo.  Uh, because I don't much like Socialism, and even though McCain wouldn't have been my first or second choice, at least his friends aren't plotting to take overthrow capitalism?  Oh, yeah, and Obama doesn't support gay marriage.  Oh, yeah, and we got DOMA during a Democrat administration. 

In other words, I'm racist and I'm mesmerized by Palin's boobs.

87 Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 08, 2008 09:44 PM (npfRQ)

Unfortunately, Sullivan manages to do harm to the conservative movement every time he fools someone into putting him forth as one of us.  That's what turns him from being merely a loathesome fool into a full-blown human cancer.

88 lots of us morons are ex-military, foul language and dark humor are a way of life in the military, please notice that it's rarely personal except in jest

89 If Slow Joe continues on the cosmetic-surgery path he's been on (nice cat-eyes!) he could end up with a better rack. *gag*

90 Andrew Sullivan can crawl up his own ass and start chewing. You know this motherlovincocksucker will be back when we take back Congress in 2010 saying some shit about, "Oh, the Republican Party I knew is back."

Stay under the bus and suck pipe, you fucker.

91

Dear President Elect Obama,

We know Andi Sullivan has worked relentlessly to rip your opponents to shreds, in the hopes of earning his presidential kneepads.

Although We didn't vote for you, please heed this warning:

Do not smoke the cigars! Stick to your Kools!

Love, 48

 

92 Geeze, stop linking this idiot, he's a mentally unstable moonbat idiot with a Drudge link, he'd be nobody if people would just stop paying any attention to the guy. Send Drudge a note: ask him to take Sullivan's link down. Do it every time you look at the site, everyone.

93 "Welcome; please stay.  We are what we are (morons, mainly), but we love our lesbians, usually.  We would never turn on them like the Donks.  Quite frankly, Hillary being a lesbian could only elevate her in my eyes."


Very well put.

94 Y'all know that I hate to disagree with Milky Loads (ha!), but when it comes to Sarah Palin, I don't really think we ever saw any "boobage," at least not any recent boobage. I certainly didn't, and I was looking for it. We saw legs. And shoes. Lots and lots and lots of legs and shoes and I'll be in my bunk.

95 Don't forget the boots! Even we chicks got all hot about her boots!

96 "Stick to your Kools!"

We ought to send him a carton a week...

97 Hm, sarah, it'll be interesting to see if we get more folks like you on these kinds of blogs.
It seems like both parties are casting anchor on a lot of their constituency - the difference I see is that the Repubs are willing to hand current party leadership its hat and move on to better things. Dems.... not so much I think.
So welcome to AoS - you're a lot more welcome than you'd think. Just don't mind the gratuitous stupidity. I swear sometimes there's some political discourse peppered in there.

98 I used to think that I have a lot in common with lesbians. I still think that I have a lot in common with lesbians.

99

She said, I don't hate cock, I hate what's attached to it.

Balls.

 

100 You only need to read about what happened to gay people in the workers paradise of the soviet union to realize what can happen when socialism takes over.

I agree with Dirk on the opinion that most gays should probably vote for repubs.
But hardcore social cons have made them shy away from the repub side.

I can read and I am pretty sure that the 14th amendment says that 2 dudes or 2 girls can get married.

K

101

I can read and I am pretty sure that the 14th amendment says that 2 dudes or 2 girls can get married.

 

Hmm. I'm quite sure it says nothing of the sort. But there's always the 9th. A lot of people like to go fishing there when they want to find new "rights".

 

102 Thanks for the welcome. I'm definitely a leper now among my friends....they just look at me and blink or sputter something stupid like, "McCain called his wife a c*nt". Honestly.
Regarding the gay marriage thing - for those of us that are a little older and a little less angry, we don't want the symbol of marriage. We want the same rights. That's all.
As a matter of fact, some friends of ours (I'm in a 20 year relationships...for lesbians, that equals about 4 years) asked us to go to city hall to witness one another's weddings. Our response was that we've forged our own way without that symbol of union and set of relationship customs guiding us through thick and thin. We didn't need or want it at this point. My partner has a libertarian streak and I've picked up some of it as well. Cheers y'all and thanks again.

103

Hm, sarah, it'll be interesting to see if we get more folks like you on these kinds of blogs.

I think what Revvy meant to say was "Are you hot? And do you have friends?" But I could be projecting.

 

104

to me marriage is the union of one man and one woman, having said that, lack of law on this issue is creating unfairness to gay ppl by not allowing them inheritance rights, hospital visitation rights, and probably other stuff i haven't thought of yet, i contend that civil unions would be a fair compromise.

 

105 Worf
Maybe I am way off, but when it says:
No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

I am pretty sure that includes marriage laws.

K

106 I'm not gay and I'm very offended by this jackass.

107

I am pretty sure that includes marriage laws

 

I'm quite sure that it does not, and that you don't have the foggiest notion of what the phrase "equal protection of the laws" means. You must have one of those mail-order law degrees from the Ayn Rand Institute.

 

108 My puppies are offended by this jackass.  They are sagging in disbelief. 

Or that could be age and gravity... paging Biden's doctor.

109

This theory holds about as much water as a spaghetti strainer. If lesbians and gay men who are turned on by powerful women voted based on the biggest boobs, O'Boobee would have won hands down. He is the biggest teat-head I have ever known.

110

abridge the privileges or immunities

Refers to the "privilege" of habeas corpus.

 

nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

 

You cannot have laws aganst killing people and not prosecute the killing of blacks. You can have laws which treat people differently. For instance, the tax laws. Feel free to take the IRA to court and argue that taxing you  (100k/yr and single) and not taxing Joe Smith (three kids, 50k/yr) violates the 14th Amendment. You can have marriage laws, obviously. You can make men eligible for the draft and not women. And  myriad other examples.

111

IRA=IRS.

Don't you dare take the Irish Republican Army to court.

112 108 My puppies are offended by this jackass.  They are sagging in disbelief. 

Or that could be age and gravity... paging Biden's doctor.

Posted by: bmeuppls at November 08, 2008 10:54 PM (lNXkY)

Geez, don't do that.  You'd end up smothering in them.

113

OK. Long time lurker and also long time lesbian. I'm a registered Dem but feel my party has abandoned me. I can't stand Pelosi and Barney Frank. I voted McCain. His choice of Palin sealed the deal for me. But in reality, I really could not vote  for Obama because he an empty suit. I can't believe that no one see's that. What many of us in Southern Cal are also realizing this weekend is that the black vote, driven to the polls by Obama, turned the tide for Prop 8. In other words, Obama screwed the gay community big time.  

Two weeks ago, I was in an office conversation with a black woman (IT manager) and a white gay man (office manager). The black woman is a very leftist type of Democrat, an admirer of Castro, hater of George Bush type. I'm sure you get the picture. We were discussing Obama and the election. The man asked her what her position is on Prop 8. She said I don't care about Prop 8 and probably will vote for it. She rationalized this by saying that gays should not be getting married. Period. So much for the liberal. all-inclusive tent. Since that time, I've heard the same position echoed at least 4 times by other people.

You know the gays blindly followed the Clintons around, even after Don't Ask, Don't Tell and DOMA. I hope that gays come to their senses and realize how much Obama screwed them over and DOES NOT have their backs.

Sorry for the rant. I like vodka too. Carpet muncher is a term used by lesbians that I know too.  

 

114 Worf, your examples of people being treated diff are exactly why I argue that.  It may not be applied as such, but I think it should.  I never claimed to be a lawyer, as a matter of fact far from it.  But I do believe the 14th amendment give equal protection for everything, not just what the govt gets to pick and choose.

K

115

66Are lesbians "breast girls" the way men are "breast men"???? That's a new one on me, never heard of lesbians being hung up on breasts. At least, not from the any lesbian friends I have.

Dunno: I've always been a mucous membrane man, myself.....

and hey!!!  I didn't see a single pic of Palin's rack during the campaign.  Do lezzies have some special vision that lets them see under her designer jackets?

116

I voted for Prop 8, primarily to teach at least one California judge (and possibly several) a lesson in civics.

Specifically, I have a problem with the judiciary (where I have zero say) inventing rights as they please; it’s a bad precedent.

I have a problem with them then using these new rights to justify decisions that they then use to afflict the population. They make litigation easy and convictions difficult.

And if judges can invent rights, what’s to stop them from simply abolishing rights, and then from doing it when it suits them?

I have a better idea: let’s jeep the judiciary out of lawmaking, and restricted to JUDGING.

117 Judging by that pic of the One showing his A-cups on the beach, Andi is not above being susceptible to boob action himself.

118

Back to A. Sullivan, maybe Andy’s trying to stir up a few issues to cover for Obama’s séance gaffe (at least he made a call to apologize; wonder who suggested it?), or his change of community service terms, or …

Andy’s approach does work to an extent; it generated this thread, it got my attention, it got me thinking ...

Possibly Andy wants to prep (i.e., distract) us from one of several probably-disastrous Obama policy blunders: Iran’s not happy with Obama, Russia’s making moves, the Hamas angle is politically problematic.

Then there are many unanswered campaign questions, starting with what’s on the LATimes tape?

But Andy's candidate got elected, and now has to preform. 

At some point, reports have to be written because papers and magazines have to be printed to sell the ads that make the revenue that pays the bills.

We've heard enough lies about Sarah Palin, we now need to hear the truth about Obama.

Andy: you're on.

119 "How rotten is it that we have to look at Biden instead of Todd Palin." Now I'm *really* depressed. See this is why I like Sarah. While being gorgeous herself and having all the guys' (and the lesbians') tongues hanging out, she was considerate enough to be married to a smoking hot *manly* man for us straight girls and gay g... Hey, I just figured out why Andi hates Sarah so much. Duh.

120 #100
This is another reason Republicans need to be all about cutting back the size of the Federal government with a fucking chainsaw and leaving this social engineering crap to the states. If we can get the Feds out of the business of dictating the same law to all 50 states, maybe we can push all this gay marriage/covenant marriage/civil union business down to the states where it ought to be settled anyway. You know, like gun laws.

121 Obama screwed the gay community big time. 
Posted by: Patti at November 08, 2008 11:50 PM (2wEWc)

Hi, Patti; thanks for giving us a chance.  I'm so heartened to see the seedy underbelly of Obama and his followers being recognized by someone who the Left would normally expect to be unquestioningly in their camp.

The anti-gay bigotry of many black people has long repulsed me.  I've heard "fag" used derisively by an Obamabot acquaintance more in the last three years than in my entire life beforehand.

122 Jesus, that guy loves to hate. No, Mr. Cornholer, we are repulsed by Obama because he is a fraud. He runs from the gays and used a homohater on his campaign trail to rally the black churches and homophobia among black males. He really makes me sick.

Yes, I was really shocked that the Rev. Wright tapes didn't have any homo hate on them. Echoing others here, anyone who spends any length of time in mixed company, as it were, knows that most black people HATE gays something fierce.

Of course if the Rev. had said anything in that vein it's not like McCain would've used it. Jackass.

And sarah, welcome to the party. I for one did see the sexism that was rampant in this campaign. The Hillary's Pantsuits and Palin's Wardrobe stories seemed like flip sides of the same piggish coin to me.

123 maybe it had something to do with Obama going on tour with a virulently anti-gay preacher.

unlike andrew sullivan, maybe the rest of the gays got the anti-gay vibe from Obama and his followers, and rightly so -  70% of blacks in California voted for gays to be 2nd class citizens.

124 However, the black folk I know hate gays.  And we hear famous blacks publicly bashing gays.  I would think a number of gays would have taken note of this.  All anecdotal, but it adds up.

One of news organizations claimed that in California Whites were about split evenly on Prop 8 but blacks were for it 70%. The irony is that since there was a huge black turnout for Obama, it got defeated. If it would have been Hillary, it probably would have passed.

Regarding the gay marriage thing - for those of us that are a little older and a little less angry, we don't want the symbol of marriage. We want the same rights. That's all.

Wouldn't civil unions accomplish that? Or is there something different in the law specifically with marriage?

This whole political push is a real turn off to me and personally, I could care less about gay marriage. I don't believe homosexuals are 'sinful', but that it's a biological thing.

But since there are people that believe the 'sin' thing, why is there such a push with the marriage issue? The radical liberals and liberal judges are on a jihad to push the issue, and are only creating resentment  and turning people against the issue.

125 This is the guy you kept an axe handle or baseball bat handy for when he attempted to call on your daughter.

126 Damn you, Mike! I've been wanting to do Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio since Scarface and now you've screwed it up!

Relax. The only thing that changed is the reason she's unattainable.

127 As for gay marriage, I'[m fairly libertarian but socially conservative. The gay marriage isn't about having equal right to the institution. The institution is the union of a single woman and a single man. And as any married person knows, sexual fulfillment is not required. Nice, but not a part of the definition.

The marriage controversy is about the right to redefine the institution to cover something that someone, in this instance gays but others will follow, would prefer to see covered. There is no individual right whatsoever to do this. And it is certainly not something that judges should be inventing to jam down the throats of "less enlightened" citizens of a free republic.

I suspect the push for gay marriage has more to do with forcing a more general acceptance of the gay lifestyle on the public. If so, it's misguided to look for top down social engineering to rework the public into a more pleasing shape. First gain the acceptance the real way: with openness about your identity while engaging in respectable lives that others can even admire. (Knocking off those ridiculous parades and exhibitions would be nice too.) Acceptance follows. It isn't easy but it isn't complicated either.

128 But since there are people that believe the 'sin' thing, why is there such a push with the marriage issue? The radical liberals and liberal judges are on a jihad to push the issue, and are only creating resentment  and turning people against the issue.

Because, I believe that the ultimate goal of these activists is to use same sex marriage laws as a bludgeon to compel churches to perform SS marriages. That's the only thing that really concerns me about SS marriage. I'm not religious, but the way the leftists attack religion makes me sick.

I've long believed that government should just get out of the marriage business entirely. Domestic partnerships for all, strictly as a legal contract for cohabitation, division of assets, tax purposes, "next of kin" issues etc. Issues of love or procreation are none of the government's damned business.

129 This is silly.  The most annoying thing about lesbians is that they DON'T look at a woman's chest to form an opinion about her.  Cmon.  What other info do we have to go on?

FWIW, I kinda like them small, as opposed to the fake ones, or the naturally large ones that are filled with giant purple veins and are always pointing at the center of the Earth.  Let's face it.  Small boobs = smart and fun lady.

130 Are lesbians "breast girls" the way men are "breast men"???? That's a new one on me, never heard of lesbians being hung up on breasts. At least, not from the any lesbian friends I have.

Someone once told me that lesbian pornography (visual, not written) is different than pornography produced by males. He said that males liked to focus on breasts, butts, and legs, whereas the emphasis in lesbian pornography tended to be on the face and the clitoris.

For what it's worth.

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132 growing up-I think he was beaten up alot by his sisters

133 maybe sullivan is a lesbian stuck in a gay man's body,who has female genitalia envy....especially of strong political figures

134 Howcum the gays aren't protesting in front of the Latino churches in East LA or the black Baptist churches in South Central?

135

134 Howcum the gays aren't protesting in front of the Latino churches in East LA or the black Baptist churches in South Central?

They can bring it.  I live close to a black mega church.  I'd love to witness the entertainment.

136

He's projecting his own ignorant and carnal motives on the gay community in general.

He would like to have Palin's vagine--not conquer it, but HAVE it as part of his own body.  And probably her chesticles as well.

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