1

Drew, no, the leakers have no balls.

Period.

 

2 I am not the biggest fan of Sarah, think she has some troubling characteristics, but I think she is being unfairly attacked on this stuff.  I'm sure she knows Africa is a continent.   The clothes are not a big story, either.

I suspect Mitt Romney for this crap, but only because I'm a low rent Axelturfer who isn't half as clever as I believe myself to be.

3 So it's named sources going on the record versus cowardly "anonymous sources" making shit up. Who to believe...

4 when his staff is done coming out in her defense their will be nobody left that smeared her.

5 Hey she got a great new wardrobe!Not so dumb! BTW, I can't wait to do my public service for The One! Does dancing a naked ballet with Rahm Emmanuel count?

6  
" has some troubling characteristics"
snort

7 Not only no balls, but dickless as well.  Kind of like the campaign they ran.

8

Does anyone know if any of these stories are actually coming from anyone in the McCain/Palin campaign?  They really fit the astroturf profile much better... and the opposition has every reason to continue...

9

Roberta:

I dont think the MSM would risk the level of backlash that would ensue if no mccain person could ever be found for these allegations.......but maybe.

Perhaps axelrod put a few words in a few people's ears about how it would be a favor to the new President's senior advisor to leak some anonymous crap on Palin ....

10 Posted by: Roberta at November 08, 2008 02:53 PM (jqm25)

A lot of this started with Carl Cameron at FNC. He's been covering the McCain camp for a year. I doubt he flat out lied about who told him this.

11 #8

Good point.  I'd imagine that of all the people to benefit from a weakened Sarah Palin, Obama would have to be pretty near the top of the list.

12 I suspect Mitt Romney for this crap..

icus,

That's idiotic.

First, Romney and his people weren't in the room when the shit happened. McCain people were.

Secondly, when was the last time McCain passed on an opportunity to take a shot at Republicans in general or Mitt Romney in particular? If he or his people thought it was Romney supporters, McCain and his people would be all over it and beating the hell out of Romney.

13 I suspect Mitt Romney for this crap..

We know even know which aides made up this crap, please stop tossing in Romney's name in there.  This will only create more in fighting.

14 We don't know*

15

A PALIN DEBATE.

She challenges a critic, lib, con whomevery, to a debate.Sponsored by NRO or Heritage Foundation, or someone.

She handled herself well with Biden. She should do it.

You can say, "She shouldn't have to" and she can dismiss the gossip hounds as "jerks" and deal with this issue for the next 2-4 years, or she can challenge them.

16

The penetrating silence from John McCain in defending Sarah Palin from the forces of evil is equally as silent as the farting gerbil vacationing in  Barney Frank's colon. 

17

Anyone else think Carl Cameron's a bitch and needs a slap? The glee / fervor / breathlessness with which he reported this the other night makes me think so...

18 McCain is going to be D'ohbama's go-to guy in the Senate. He's already telling us we need to unite behind our president elect and support him.

The price of McCain's admission into the new administration is the destruction of Palin.

D'ohbama studied despots, and when they eliminate their opponents they also eliminate the opponents' offspring so that they can't rise up in the future.

Palin was the Republican heir apparent--McCain's offspring, in a sense--so like Saddam, Stalin, and Pol Pot, Obama is trying to make sure she'll never threaten him.

I'm pretty disgusted that Mr. Honor and Straight Talk is going along with it, but I guess he figures that in the name of bipartsianship and unity, it's for the best.

Kathy Bates said the same thing in <i>Misery,</i> as she was smashing James Caan's ankles with a sledgehammer.

19 Jesus, that Maverick, what a mackerel.  He sure knows how to treat his own side. 
So yeah, from now on, Mackerel.  Cause he got old and stinky real quick.

Rush was right, Mackerel's concession speech was his campaign.  Hand it over to Obama.  No wonder Mackerel and W were so willing to take the blame for the financial crisis.  They'd do anything for someone whose not on their side. 

20 fish bwhahahahahahaha

21 "she can dismiss the gossip hounds as "jerks" and deal with this issue for the next 2-4 years, or she can challenge them."

Or she can say, "Fuck all y'all south of the 49th parallel," join the Alaska Independence Party for real, and enjoy the rest of her life.

I know, she's not that kind of a person.

But I am. (I'm doing a bit of job hunting as we speak.)

22 No wonder people voted for Palin and the guy that was all screwed up, believed the press and thought he could be loved by the liberals.  McCain got paid off like Dole and we got the hose.

The Republican party has run away from me and many of my friends.  They allowed the selection to be stolen in caucuses by northeaster states that only knows the liberal mantra.

We have to clean house and the McCainers that are spreading this crap should be the first in the blocks in the town square.

Carl, fess up and tell us who the skunks are!

23 Maybe these leaking bastards can get their next job working for a Democratic campaign. Although, it could be argued that they were all along.

This is so very low class.  I don't remember any Democrat staffers bad mouthing Joe Lieberman after the Gore loss or John Edwards after the Kerry loss.  (Someone correct me if I'm wrong.). 

I hope names are made known, and in Old McCain's own words, these asses are "made famous".  Although he clearly isn't going to do it. 

OT:  slavelover:  Like your handle.  Unless you're a dude, then never mind.

24 Carl, fess up and tell us who the skunks are!
Posted by: Typical Whte Person at November 08, 2008 03:09 PM

Yeah, he'll do that right after the LAT releases the Obama-Khalidi video and MSNBC fires Olby.

25 It's time for a GOP enema. Oust all these loser/lepers: Mike Duncan, Nicole Wallace, Steve Schmidt, Rick Davis, Kevin Madden. They are ALL in it for themselves and their silence or half-way comments in Palin's defense prove they're lowlifes.

NOT TO MENTION  - LOSERS!

26 Only threats to the Liberal Order are portrayed absurdly as being stupid. Strange that McCain was never accused of that...

27 McCain camp was full of checker pant cocksuckers and their spineless, incognito smears proves it. Palin is the iron woman; just wait till she reaches political maturity and starts a movement that will rival Goldwater's.

28 The McCain staff is a bunch of sour grapes whining MPH (my pussy hurts) all day long.  Pretty low of them to point the finger at the only thing that saved their pathetic campaign being smashed with a landslide by a communist.

29 So what exactly does Biegun mean that Palin has internationalist instincts?  I'm not sure I like the sound of that, but I'm not certain what the term is supposed to mean. 

30

Why do I have a feeling "people within the McCain campaign" means "wardrobe advisor for Piper Palin?" Anyone else getting the feeling this is a low level nobody, and when they reveal themselves they'll be the next hero for all the leftards who said she was an idiot without any proof?

All of this is BAD for our side guys. We have to fight the Obamacracy AND our own Vichy Regime within the GOP.

31 Slavedog they don't. That's why they own all 3 houses now. You don't have lib columnists going off the reservation, no matter how execrable the situation or the person. Their aides don't leak, or more to the point make things up.They have discipline, our side acts like a bunch of backstabbing beyotches.

32

she can dismiss the gossip hounds as "jerks" and deal with this issue for the next 2-4 years, or she can challenge them."

Or she can say, "Fuck all y'all south of the 49th parallel," join the Alaska Independence Party for real, and enjoy the rest of her life.

Well, sure she can do that. Hope she'll let her legions of defenders know first.

But if she wants to stick around, she should confront this issue now and not send her defenders into battle with limited ammunition.

33

All of this is BAD for our side guys. We have to fight the Obamacracy AND our own Vichy Regime within the GOP.

She can end this crap by going on 60 Minutes, Larry King, the Sunday morning news shows.

Or, we can keep it at the level of a cat fight. I say get out there and talk.

34 How hard is it for the aides to step up and deny that they are they ones smearing Palin and state who they know is? And I mean individuals-- not someone hired to release a statement denying blah blah blah. I want people on record stating their names. If they don't want to do it, then they are aiding and abetting those who are smearing Palin and they can all go down together.

Also, those who dragged their feet in defending her get no praise from me.

35 It's striking that her defenders will stand up and go on record and those making the accusations won't.

36 She can end this crap by going on 60 Minutes, Larry King, the Sunday morning news shows.

Posted by: cj at November 08, 2008 03:31 PM (JQtNT)

Why would she take her story to the people who also spread lies about her and portrayed her falsely in the worse light? She is appearing on Greta Van Sustern's show on Monday. After that, I hope she goes on some radio shows. And she choses them -- not any asshole handlers.

37

When the New York Times did its hit piece on Cindy McCain, Senator McCain should have slapped them into next year. He didn't, and I'm not holding my breath, waiting for him to step up and tell the media to STFU.

As for those who, inside or outside the campaign, are trashing Sarah Palin, well when Track Palin returns from combat.........just thinking. If somebody was trashing my Mom, I'd employ some non-verbal communication followed by some wall to wall therapy.

There, I feel better. 

38 35 thats what tells the story.  I wouldnt be surprised one bit if all of these allegations were outright lies.

39

She can end this crap by going on 60 Minutes, Larry King, the Sunday morning news shows.

Or, we can keep it at the level of a cat fight. I say get out there and talk.

Last I checked, she's doing a sit down with Greta Van Sustren on Monday, which doesn't exactly scream 'going on offense' given how sympathetic Greta's been since this story started.

Part of Palin's appeal is her ordinary, down home charm...not her ability to play Trivial Pursuit with a renowned dipshit like Katie Couric. I'd see any other interview as an oppourtunity to take her out once in for all.

As some people have already said, she owes the media nothing after how they attacked her. The story at this point isn't Palin; it's McCain and his pals acting like assholes by leaving their comrade behind to get slaughtered.

40

I don't believe there ARE inside "leakers".

I. Want. NAMES.

41 Greta is the best outlet for Palin to discuss the matter. But it will not die. It will only continue to have legs as long as the media have something new to fester over. They are out to destroy Palin because they know she is a risk to them.

This story goes on, and on, and on, and on.....

42 The Senatorial election in Minnesota is being stolen:

<a href="http://tinyurl.com/584o4m" Powerline Blog </a>

43 Mac has behaved like a guy who went on a bender, ended up on a one-night-stand, woke up, packed up his dick and ran home to his wife.  I have no respect for him, but that's nothing new.

I'm not a PUMA, nor a radical feminist.  I'm just a woman who is finally fed up with this sort of shit.  Palin has talent.  She's a decent person, and I hope she's not deterred from staying in public life.  I would never have voted for the HillBitch because she's a woman, but I don't like the way she was treated.  This election has been a reality check for me.  I thought we had made more progress, but I was wrong.  From now on my reaction will be different.  Cross me and you're in trouble.  It isn't a "Party" thing, it's a matter of dignity.

44 Oops. Try again.

<a href="http://tinyurl.com/584o4m"> Powerline Blog </a>

45

For those who think this will be over, remember that George W. Bush is still the only mentally retarded cocaine addicted alcoholic to graduate from Yale and Harvard, become Governor of Texas and then President of the United States according to the left.

 

46 cj,

Why should she go to all that trouble & effort, now that the election is over-- she must be exhausted, and has to get back to work in Alaska-- to "prove" herself against the most baseless of smears & slanders? And to the MSM fucks of "60 Minutes, Larry King, Sunday morning new shows"? She needs to prove herself to *Larry King*? Please, don't make me laugh. And debate? She did just fine recently in a debate against our next vice president. She will "prove" herself if & when she pleases, on her own terms, on her own timetable, in the fora she chooses. Meanwhile, she has a job to do as governor. She has no reason to let a bunch of taunting assholes dictate her actions. (That's what Bill O'Reilly is trying to do, to extort her to come on his show. Fuck that.)

47 http://tinyurl.com/584o4m

Wow, I suck.

48 not to chang the subject does anyone know what happen to free republic can't get on the web site

49

Remember Laffy Taffy? They used to print old Polack jokes on the wrappers and change "Polack" to "Mr. Stupid. Like, "Why dosen't Mr. Stupid eat pickles? He can't fit his head in the jar!" A lot of this stuff sounds like it's from someone's old laffy taffy wrapper collection. IMHO, this sounds just like the eternal high school brie-junkies that keep making the party nominate McCains and Doles because they're soooo freaking electable.

She should go on 60 Minutes, etc, IF they offer her a deal where she gets to approve the final cut, like Dick Clark.

50 It will only continue to have legs as long as the media have something new to fester over.

Then why doesn't Carl Cameron discuss how he and McGreevy ran into each other at a glory hole on the NJ Turnpike?

51 Yeah, I would recommend, should any interviews take place, that Palin shows up with her own cameras.  Should have done that after the Gibson interview.  Really no point in trusting the media.  

52 We need a deck of cards for the a$$wipes on the McCain campaign and then make sure they are poison to anyone who uses them. This is below contempt and is the politics which the real GOP fights against. Once again, McCainCo. is showing the world why his brand of faux conservatism was rejected.

53 When is the MSM going to investigate the fact that we have the first gay president? Every body knows that Bamba is on the "down low."

54 You know, if you're not able to Google/Wikipedia it on-the-spot, "Who's included in NAFTA?" is not a stupid question. My first (fairly well-read layman's) reaction was "well, before I put my foot in my mouth, does it include (for example, been expanded to) any of the countries south of Mexico, e.g., Belize, Guatemala, etc.?"

I wonder how many of our raving friends could NAME all those North American countries off the tip of their tongue (well, shucks, aside from Nicaragua)?

55 And what about the fact that Couric cheated on her dying husband?

56 Who the fuck listens to a bunch of whiny cocksucking losers complain about their free agent pickup?  Pussy motherfuckers, one and all.  

Palin came into their camp on short notice, towed the line, and took a fucking beating from the opposition and the press. And now, her own team resorts to gutter sniping and backstabbing like the runners-up in a prom queen contest.

The Republican brand, (if McCain ever was a Republican), is fast becoming comparable to free flowing diarrhea.

And McCain has no fucking balls.

57

Caution: Rant below.

Sarahcuda could whip the living shit out those deballed leakers. Go hunting with her and see who comes back field dressed. Go snow machining with the First Dude and see who ends up polar bear bait.

The leakers are world class no class pussies. They're afraid and jealous. They know that they should and probably will end up doing her laundry, and it just kills them. All that Ivy League tuition pissed away.

Gov. Palin is too much a lady to say it in public, but I know for damn sure what she and Todd are saying in private--"Fuck Them." Then they laugh their asses off. After all, who got over on whom? I'm laughing  my ass off too.

 

 

58 I had never heard the phrase "American exceptualism before. I'm no dummy. As someone else pointed out, Palin lives and preaches American exceptualism while others just mouth the words.

59 Oh and I should add-- by "proving" herself I suppose you mean subjecting herself to another pop quiz, administered by a Gibson/Couric? So the professorial geniuses of the MSM will "pass" her-- indulgently, let her take the test again? I can't roll my eyes enough.

60 It's time for a GOP enema. Oust all these loser/lepers: Mike Duncan, Nicole Wallace, Steve Schmidt, Rick Davis, Kevin Madden. They are ALL in it for themselves and their silence or half-way comments in Palin's defense prove they're lowlifes.

Question: Is Rick Davis on record proclaiming his innocence?

61 I want the names of the people involved or who won't come forward so I can make sure that I never give money to any campaign, politician, or business that employs them in the future.

62

Another profile in stupid women...Condi Rice.

She'd never heard of Al Qaeda according to Dick(head) Clarke and the Dems spent months attacking her as being inexperienced and not up to the job. Oh, and she was Aunt Jemima.

63 We get some inroads into Big Media or forget about it.

64

Remember 'The Simpsons' when Homer went on 'Rock Hard' during the gummy Statue of Liberty/Sexual Harrassment episode?  And the shots of Homer had a clock in the background with the hands changing to different settings when he spoke after questions?

Yeah, going on Larry King or 60 Minutes would be that useful.

65

Greetings,

Does not anyone remember the post by ACE on October 25th from an interview with a McCain aid about smearing Palin being the plan if McCain lost? The aid was fired because he would not go along with the plan, which was to blame Palin, thus deflecting any blame from them and save their pathetic political careers. In my view, anyone who ever hires these pathetic losers again is reason enough to vote against their canidate. In fact I just finished sending Gov. Palin the link to the article. I would like to accuse these aids of being suckers of, well, you know what, but I do not want to embarass ACE. After all, the posters in his blog have class and good manners, don't we?

66

Greetings,

Does not anyone remember the post by ACE on October 25th from an interview with a McCain aid about smearing Palin being the plan if McCain lost? The aid was fired because he would not go along with the plan, which was to blame Palin, thus deflecting any blame from them and save their pathetic political careers. In my view, anyone who ever hires these pathetic losers again is reason enough to vote against their canidate. In fact I just finished sending Gov. Palin the link to the article. I would like to accuse these aids of being suckers of, well, you know what, but I do not want to embarass ACE. After all, the posters in his blog have class and good manners, don't we?

 

67

Question: Is Rick Davis on record proclaiming his innocence?

He sort of did on Fox, he mostly just praised Palin and gave the party hurt feelings crap.

Steve Schmitd claimed the towel incident was bogus and he was there.

Beigun now seems legit.

Nicole Wallace sort of said the accusations were bullshit.

That leaves the rest of them, you can get the full list at Wikipedia or the McCain website if it is still up. Save it and send a letter to the RNC and anyone that hires them telling them that these people are poison. I sent one to the RNC

68 Boy you guys are jumping ship, Sarah talked to McCain and probably told him that she can defend herself.

69

64.

The gummy Venus de Milo.

Great episode, and yeah, I remember exactly what you're referencing re: the clock hands.

70

64.

The gummy Venus de Milo.

Great episode, and yeah, I remember exactly what you're referencing re: the clock hands.

"Her sweet-sweet...can...her sweet-sweet...can..."

71 When you let this shit spin out of control and only make feeble attempts to stop it you end up with this shit:

Sarah Palin blamed by the US Secret Service over death threats against Barack Obama

72 Question: Is Rick Davis on record proclaiming his innocence?

No. He's not. He said the bath towel thing happened, but was no big deal. Davis ran that campaign like he has McCain's senatorial bids of the past. Small, disjointed, MSM-sucking, and disorganized. Davis wasn't ever ready for primetime - ergo the addition of Steve - who although worked for the Rove, was never as good.

73 Thanks, robtr.

By "sort of" I take it that none of them actually said it wasn't they who spoke to the media anonymously.

I really think it's time for conservatives to distance themselves from anyone who worked on the campaign -- from McCain on down (except of course, for Palin).  No great loss.

I can't believe none of them have a clue who's doing this. And it's in their best interests to find out -- stat. If they don't, hey -- guilt by association. That's the way it works in the DC mosh pit.

OTOH, since no one in the campaign displayed the slightest skill in researching Obama's background,  I doubt they can find their way out of a paper bag on this issue.

74

Sarah Palin blamed by the US Secret Service over death threats against Barack Obama

 

Hey, douche, there is nothing in the story about the Secret Service "blaming" Palin for anything.  Can you read?

 

75

I'd love to see who recommended Palin as the pick and compare it to the eventual leakers.

"Look, we only lost because the VP pick was so stupid." 

"Um, didn't you pick her?"

"Well, yeah but how were we to know?"

 

76 Worf, it's the headline.

77 Nicole Wallace, and Steve Schmidt are just covering their collective asses.

They were named by Schneumann as the ones who were out for Sarah Palin. He is either fired or comes close to being fired for this, and loe and behold we have the Schneumann prophecy come true. Then the backlash came, and suddenly they come on TV to say it wasn't them, while John McCain is awfully busy with his barbecued ribs!

I am not a fan of Romney, but I fail to see the connection to him. He should never be the GOP candidate, but I don't see the blood trail leading to him as yet. McCain looks more guilty than Romney!

78 Posted by: worf at November 08, 2008 04:31 PM (MEbr

Um,  that's the headline of the story.  No, it's not supported by the story but I don't think someone quoting the headline is exactly out of bounds.

So the question I guess is, hey, douche, can you read?

79 As a Republican I don't know what to think or who to blame anymore. You can make the case for Palin blowing this thing but it was McCain's fault for picking her. And we can get excited all we want about her prospects but she sure didn't do a very good job selling herself to the american people. I'm not sure how she recovers from this. Is an appearance on Greta really going to do the trick? Why not just go back on Hannity, can't get any friendlier

80

She should go on 60 minutes et al……..hahahahaha

 

Yes, that’s the ticket, go on the show that invented edited answer journalism lying. What she should do is get McCain to call for Fox to release the names. Or she should call Carl Cameron a liar unless he produces the names.

81

When you let this shit spin out of control and only make feeble attempts to stop it you end up with this shit:

Sarah Palin blamed by the US Secret Service over death threats against Barack Obama

It's getting closer to a point with me where I don't want her to run on a national level again. I do not want a beautiful, intelligent, happy mother of five to be sacrificed to these asshole sucking, worthless abomonations of humanity. No one being deserves to be treated this way, especially some one that didn't hurt anyone and only stood up for what she believed.

This is seriously pushing me to the point of rage where I want to punch these fuckers in the face.

82

Hey, asshole! Yes, I can, but apparently you can't: "When you let this shit spin out of control and only make feeble attempts to stop it you end up with this shit: "

Besides you inability to read and analyse simple concepts, are you so fucking stupid that you can't understand that publishing lie after lie harms Palin? And that most of this bullshit could have been stopped if someone had the balls and the intelligence (obviously not you) to speak up and defend her and to weed out the assholes attacking her?

83 It really does upset me to see you guys bash McCain like this too he was the best guy out there and he's a freaking hero

84 The above was addressed to the retard that calls himself worf.

85 This is seriously pushing me to the point of rage where I want to punch these fuckers in the face.

You and me both.

86 We have enough with Beigun and Schmidt to collectivally petition fox to either retract Camerons story or have the weasel prove it with names. Probably won't work but it's better than a sharp stick in the eye.

87

This is seriously pushing me to the point of rage where I want to punch these fuckers in the face. 
 

I think I will go out and punch a hippy in the face until we find out who they are.

88 McCain can't control what every person on a national election campaign staff leaks to the media. I really wish you folks would lay off him a little...it kind of is upsetting to see a fellow veteran trashed because a woman who obviously wasn't very smart made some bad mistakes with her mouth./

89 It really does upset me to see you guys bash McCain like this too he was the best guy out there and he's a freaking hero.

Yeah, well, a "freaking hero" doesn't let someone who gave him everything she had go down in flames.

90 79 "As a Republican..."

91 This was our guy less than a week ago! How fast we turn on him. What happend to blaming obama for this??!? He's the terrorist

92 All the former VP hopefuls never, never got this kind of attention. On the one hand, I think it's a bunch of crap and she's doing just fine defending herself. In fact, I'd expect nothing less from her. And, just for the sake of discussion, in a weird kind of way, it's keeping her in the spotlight. Isn't there a saying that 'there's no such thing as bad press'...? I don't see her going down in flames. I see this, and perhaps she sees this (?), as a kickass opportunity to continue the attention on her. After all, who knew about her before McCain picked her, really.

93 91 "our guy"

94 Davis wasn't ever ready for primetime - ergo the addition of Steve - who although worked for the Rove, was never as good.

Even though he ran a totally fucked up campaign I kinda liked Davis.  I saw him on FNS with Axelrod which was a total clusterfuck waste of time since Barry's chief cocksucker would interrupt every time Davis tried to make a point and twatboy Chris Wallace just sat there like the useless cunt he is while chaos reigned.  Absolutely some of the most worthless television this side of MSPMS.  Plus Davis was shackled by having the Maverick going douche on him when it came to naming names in that whole financial fuckup; what can you do when your candidate won't step up to bat against the likes of Dodd, Frank and Schumer.

95

This was our guy less than a week ago! How fast we turn on him. What happend to blaming obama for this??!? He's the terrorist

Hank, I am not pissed at McCain because he couldn't control all of his staffers. I am pissed because he isn't...you know....MAKING THEM FAMOUS!

96 Hank, to add to Robtr's post, one would expect, EXPECT, a man of honor such as he to do the gentlemanly thing and defend her. He has not. This is what is upsetting. We know he is honorable and he has demonstrated that time and again. The question then becomes, why does he not in this instance.

97 After all, who knew about her before McCain picked her, really...

EXACTLY ClnAz! Without McCain we never would have heard of her before. I never had, had anyone else here? At least he did her the favor of putting her into the spotlight! If we all really love her so much we owe it to him for having the guts to pick her. He obviously was smart enough to do that. And she may be a great one someday but she didn't do McCain much justice in this campaign

98 John was bought by George Soros to lose.  The only decent ads were put on by other groups.  Sarah was supposed to be a loser....But, guess what, we love her.  So now, they are trying to kill her, and they will keep digging until they do.

Keep eye on anystreet.org...to be formed to fight Moveon.org and Acorn...stoked

99 Hank, I beg to differ with you on what she did for his campaign. Before she came along, I was voting nobama/mccain; he's my senator here in AZ and I can tell you that he's really turned off a lot of us here. Amnesty-Smamnesty. Bullshit. But, when he picked her, there seemed to be still a spark of wisdom and leadership left in him. It was no longer a vote against Oba-Mao, it was a vote FOR McPalin.

100 This was our guy less than a week ago!

As a conservative, McCain, who never missed an opportunity to poke a finger in my eye,  was never my "guy -- I voted for Palin. Without her on the ticket, I would likely have found something else to do with the two hours I stood on line with obnoxious Obamabots on election day.

101 And further, look at his numbers when he picked her. He was leading against That One. She added much to his campaign, I humbly submit. It was his team of staffers frankly that fucked it up for him and for her, any way too many ways to list here.

102 Yeah, we need to have the name of EVERY McCain staff member who worked with Palin so they can be proscribed until they exonerate themselves.

103

About all of us morons had heard of Sarah Palin.

From the explanation given here, the leaker sounds like someone who has seen some video or maybe just heard audio of Palin's preparations and is taking things out of context. Go back over what Beigun explains--doesn't that sound like offhand chatter that no one would notice if they were present? Maybe someone saw some transcript? That might mean it doesn't need to be a high-level campaign staffer at all though the fact that because the top staff cannot put a stop to this crap indicts them as fully as the leaker. As I see it.

104 I'm hoping that Palin, not Mac, will be the one to make public their names, to MAKE THEM FAMOUS.  Glorious good times then. Then we can watch with glee as she field dresses every one of them.

105 It just seems to me we were all trumpteting what a great guy McCain was and how we all need to respect his service and trashing anyone who said otherwise and now I'm reading waht some people are saying here and it's worse then what the Dems were saying during the campaign! That he has "no f@#%ing balls", that we all need to distance ourselve3s from him, that he is an a$$wipe...

I dare anyone who says that he has no balls to spend an hour in the Hanoi Hilton. I can't believe this!

106 Good theory/analysis, Spongeworthy. Even someone walking thru a room would only pick up part of the convo then it's twisted out of context.

107 I sure wouldn't want to be the asswipe that gave this to the press. It would be like knowing you got the Admirals daughter pregnant, soon or later your life is really going to suck.

108 Furthermore, who exactly are we abandoning McCain for? A woman who has done nothing in service to this country? I'm sorry, but it goes too far sometimes in her defense. Maybe I'M the moron because I had never heard the name Sarah palin before he picked her, but she doesn't seem to me to have earned this much respect. I served my country and I have a lot more admiration for a man who was a POW than a woman who really hasn't done much!!!!!

109 the best guy out there and he's a freaking hero.

McCain was an officer long enough to know you don't let people shit on your subordinates without going through you first.  Even if the shitters are on your own staff...

...or maybe they're teaching something different since I went through my officers' courses.

110

Well Hank, it isn't our fault that you are an idiot.  McCain has screwed conservatives over tie and time again, perverted the First Amendment, ensured that Bush wouldn't get judicial nominees, etc. 

If he hadn't picked her, he would have lost by a hell of a lot more than he did.

111 Hank. Being a veteran and an ex-pow makes McCain, drumroll... a veteran and an ex-pow. It doesn't determine who he is in any other regard. McCain clearly does have other admirable qualities, but he also has deficiencies.

He has not shown any loyalty to the GOP or to conservatives and has in fact shown contempt towards many Republicans who have honest disagreements with him. He has called them bigots, nativists, and more besides. He has made a career out of siding with Democrats and furthering their agenda at the expense of those who elected him and have tried to support him.

He came very close to leaving the Republican party several times and was considering running as John Kerry's running mate.

You are asking conservatives to show a loyalty towards him that he has never displayed towards them!

112 hank the Tank,
We are supposed to give McCain a pass because he's a vet?  I call bvullshit.  I wasn't even going to vote for him let alone donate until Sarah came along.  She was the best thing that happened to him.  McCain has continually done the "honorable" thing and shit on his party base over and over.  I'm done with his bullshit.

113 http://tinyurl.com/6y9o8j
This video is pretty incredible, the ignorance of elitists like Lawrence O'Donnell never ceases to amaze.  There must be something that can be done to get these douches off the air

114 Wow, Blarg, thanks. I suppose you'd say that to my face too. I guess my opinions aren't welcome here. Just not conservative enough I suppose, because I won't go fight to the death for this woman who I barely know, I'd rather defend a good man who has given 3/4 of his life to make this country a better place.

115

I don't think that I could ever endure what he did in his capture and in service to our country. For that I will always be grateful, and humbled; he in many ways embodies one of his greatest slogans, Country First. I will never attack or belittle that John S. McCain. However, as a representative of we Republicans, the senator chosen by the party to run against the Democratic ticket, he and his machine failed miserably. Not only was Team Mac, out marketed, but out maneuvered. The lack of consistancy was one of his team's, and by default his, greatest failings. He was never allowed to continue being the Mac that we saw that night at the RNC. I was invigorated at his words to 'join him' and 'to fight'. But he was never consistant in this message.

116 McCain was never my guy, I just voted for him because of Palin.

And anyone believing anything coming from a staff that was so incompetent that a couple of bloggers and Stanley Kurtz ran rings around their "opposition research" needs their heads checked.

117

My original theory was that all these smears are just coming from McCain staffers (ex-Bush people like Wallace and Schmidt) who want to cover their asses for their poor campaign.  But now I’m beginning to wonder if it’s more than that.  Maybe someone in the GOP establishment is trying to destroy Govenor Palin because they’re afraid she’s so popular with the base that she would win the nomination easily but too polarizing at this point (thanks to the smear job she’s received from the media) to win in a national general election campaign.  It’s sort of a “we must destroy this village in order to save it” type strategy. ( I think there was similar chicanery going on when it looked like Huckabee might win the nomination.)

What does everyone think?  It might help explain why FOX jumped on the story.  Maybe the campaign source is a GOP establishment bigwig like Rove (thinking his actions are actually saving the party.)  Frankly, I don’t see any plausible reason for McCain to do this because when you think about it, these Palin smears hurt him too.  If she’s really so dumb that she doesn’t know Africa is a continent than what does that say about McCain’s judgment in picking her?  Moreover, if he’s encouraging his staff to smear her that makes him look bad too since he actually hired these back biting traitorous bitches.  No, I’m with Bill Kristol on this.  I don’t think McCain has anything to do with this and the staffers are making McCain look just as bad as they’re making Palin look bad.  Note that the two names that have been put out there are Nicole Wallace and Steve Schmidt, ex-Bush staffers.  I’m not saying Bush is behind this at all.  I’m just saying there’s no way a loyal McCaniac would allow McCain to look bad in order to hurt Palin.

I think pre-existing McCain Derangement Syndrome (derived from McCain-Feingold, Immigration Reform, McCain’s vengefulness after the ugly 2000 SC primary, etc.) is clouding a lot of people’s judgment.   I understand why many of you dislike him.  But I don’t buy the idea that he’s behind this crap or that he’s purposefully letting her hang.  He put his reputation on the line by picking her and defending her on numerous occasions in the press.  At no point was his defense of Sarah anything less than absolute.  There was no equivocation.  Moreover, I’m pretty sure he told his staff during the $150,000 shopping spree to knock off the leaking.  The point is, there’s a lot more evidence that McCain likes Palin and has supported/defended her than evidence that’s he’s out to get her.

But having said that, he really needs to say something now because the base is going apeshit over this.  I suspect he thinks it’ll all blow over but he’s wrong.  It’s taken a life of it’s own and he needs to step up and put a stop to it.  This isn’t just bad for Palin.  It’s bad for McCain.  Most importantly, it’s bad for the party as a whole.  The GOP should be banding together to fight ObamaNation.  Instead it’s destroying itself with this crap. 

118

WHERE IN THE HELL IS MCCAIN?

It's said his post election strategy started with a barbecue. Now we hear he's going into  late night  comedy next week. As to the post election defamation of Gov. Pallin............crickets....chrip, chrip.....

Obviously McCain's  post election strategy continues his pre-election strategy...chrip, chrip.

119 EXACTLY ClnAz! Without McCain we never would have heard of her before. I never had, had anyone else here? At least he did her the favor of putting her into the spotlight!

It doesn't really do much of a favor for her if you leave her out there to be smeared without doing much to fight back and have aides who restrain her from fighting back.  She had enough to stand up on her merits in 2012 given what she's done in Alaska.  That completely fell by the wayside because he had campaign aides who took a Bush-patented "aw shucks" approach to being called the anti-Christ.

Instead of being a reformer with a 90% approval rating, she got tagged as hick, adulterer, religious nut, and corrupt herself.  And so, in not fighting back, in the end that's what he had:  not a reformer who's done a fantastic job - but a hick, adulterer, religious nut, and corrupt hack.

That's not a favor.  And that's why I have an animus towards these aides (apparently a decent amount actually came from the Bush administration) - whether or not they are disloyal, they're incompetent.

If we all really love her so much we owe it to him for having the guts to pick her. He obviously was smart enough to do that. And she may be a great one someday but she didn't do McCain much justice in this campaign.

I think you underestimate just how many conservatives hate McCain (and this is coming from somebody who likes him and who defended him on this website).  Palin helped immensely with their support and in fundraising from them.  And, again, while she did do some damaging things in the campaign - I say it's the image of Sarah Palin that the McCain let go unchallenged that did much more of the actual damage than Sarah Palin herself.

120 McCain wasn't doing Sarah Palin any favours by picking her! He wanted Joe Lieberman. He chose her because he wanted to win more, and to do that he had to secure the base of the party.

It didn't work because there are too many bodies out there with daggers in their back with McCain written all over them.

121 Incredible!!! I can't believe you people - WHO IS SARAH FREAKING PALIN...a woman who is pro-choice? There's millions of those out there! A woman who is a "Maverick"??!?! John McCain INVENTED being a Maverick, and it was because of all the things listed above-taking on his own party when they were wrong, working with the other side of the aisle when it was the right thing to do - all of which are things people love to say about sarah palin - that she took on her party in Alaska, that she puts aside politics when it's neccsary. Isn't that why we supposedly like her? For all the things that McCain made trendy?

The dems are laughing at us for turning on one another, all the way to the white house. We let a socialist into office becasue of this woman. Everyone says they like her because she's "just like me.."

I'd rather have an extraoridnary person leading this party, not an oridnary one.

122 Hank apparently thinks he is the only veteran here.

123

Hank,

You delirious moron.  Sarah Palin may be many things, but she is not Pro-Abortion.

I note also that I have never before seen you here, so parden me, I call shennanigans.

124

Hank, all McCain has to do is go on Fox and say.

This is bullshit my friends, Palin is great and I am going to find out who in my campaign is the douchenozzle and Make them famous my friends. I will name names and MAKE THEM FAMOUS!

He isn't doing that though so everyone is pissed at him because he ran to the microphones to defend Kerry against the Swift Boat Veterans and ran to the microphone to defect Obama against the Tennesse GOP over Reverand Wright. We would just like to see him do the same for Governor Palin.

125 Palin pro choice?????? jesus in an abortion clinic, another fucking troll.

126 Thanks so much for stopping by, Mr. Concerned Christian Conservative.

127 Incredible!!! I can't believe you people - WHO IS SARAH FREAKING PALIN...a woman who is pro-choice?

Hank, I'll assume that last one's a typo - but I really get a kick out of people (and this is not just you, but the people attacking her in general) ripping this person as being an "ordinary person."

What the hell have you done?

She's governor of the largest state in the union and obtained a 90% approval rating.  How many other governors/senators/politicians in general can you find me like that?  Have you done something comparable?

I hate to get personal, because my hatred here is primarily directed towards other people - but if she's "ordinary" what the hell does that make you and everybody else who's criticizing her?  What the hell are they?

Here, you find someone to run against her in four years - if you can find 10 people with that track record, I'll personally clean your shoes.

128 Hank drank the kool-aid!

129 I meant to say "Pro-life" - and I'm glad there''s at least a couple people here who will at least speak with a littel repsect for johnny Mac.

You can call 'shenanigans' all you want. I read this stuff and saw a lot of people saying bad things about a good man who introduced us to Sarah palin. I speak up when I see that. He won 48 percent of the vote in a climate where the GOP stood almost no chance of winning this thing, and I continue to respect him,. I will not abandon him for a newcomer who, quite frankly, failed to convince me that she had any brains whatsoever. That may uspet some of you, but it's how I feel and it's how a lot of people I know feel. Don't blindly support someone because she has a pretty face and gave one good scripted speech at the convention.

130 In reading The Corner piece, it sounds to me like Palin was saying a "who's on first?" type of thing to Biegun when someone came in and then only heard that part of the conversation and thought "Sarah isn't too bright".

I don't buy the "Sarah is stupid" meme for one minute.

131

Nobody is blindly supporting anybody, Hank.

McCain's people are busy declaring that Palin doesn't know 3rd grade geography, and you are on an honor-his-service rant?

Well, since we're on the topic of military service, tell me, who gets blamed when subordinates screw up?

132 I will not abandon him for a newcomer who, quite frankly, failed to convince me that she had any brains whatsoever.

Hank, I *like* John McCain (though I am starting to get annoyed he's not doing more to defend her).  I don't see why attacking Sarah Palin has do be a criteria for that.

More importantly, though - look, if she's an idiot, she's done a much more impressive job and accomplished more than most governors, politicians, and pundits currently criticizing her right now -- so if she has no brains, as far as I'm concerned, all of their neural tissue has been sucked out and replaced with styrofoam.

133

Repeat Post from the Mccain Thread

All of you who reference McCain’s military service and his being a POW as “proof” of his honor are missing a major point. That was 40 years ago. I too am a Nam vet but I don’t go around spouting it as a qualification for “honor”. Sure he had honor then, but as my old bosses used to say when I gave good work during the year, sure you did that for us then but what have you done today?

 

That is the crux of the matter. IN 2006 he had an ACU rating of 65. That is the second lowest rating for a Republican on the site. There are Democrats that have a higher rating!  And on top of that, its not just the rating that is the problem, it’s the things he defied the party on. He and the RINOs like him are responsible for a LOT of the defeats that GWB had that make Bush look to be so liberal. Nearly ALL of the major conservative legislation that Bush promoted that went down in defeat was due to McCain et al. The tax cuts wound up being “temporary”, no drilling in ANWR or the coast, the SS fix, Gang of 14 that got no judges we wouldn’t have got anyway. McCain-Fiengold (and look what that got us).  The list is endless.

 

Let’s face it, McCain is a liberal and a RINO who was proud to “stick it too conservatives” in the name of maverickness. And if he fails to stop this back-biting on Sarah he has no honor in 2008 and he can KMA.

 

134 I'm not ripping her for being an oridnary person - IM an oridanry person, and I don't need to defend myslef or my record of service to the United States of America. That used to mean something, especially in the republic party, but some of you folks are off the reservation.

She can be an ordinary person all she wants, there is nothing wrong with that. I jsut don't think that's what should qualify her for office, that's all. At least it shouldn't be your platform. If it is, you can't get all upset when people call you out on it.

You folks can go ahead and attack me, use profanity and call me all the names you want, it certainly doesn't change my mind about her or her "rabid" supporters who choose to throw McCain under the bus. Some of you here should be ashamed of yourselves.

135

 read this stuff and saw a lot of people saying bad things about a good man who introduced us to Sarah palin.

And by saying "bad things" you actually mean telling the truth about McCain.  Once agian, it isn't our damn fault that you never heard of Palin before.  I'm willing to bet more people here knew about her than didn't.

Just out of curiosity, can you tell us who the Gov of LA is without having to look it up?

136

Palin did a hellofa job. No one asked you to support her blindly either. Her record was avaliable for all to see; it speaks for itself. How about the other one's records? Nothing. None of his colleges. None of his medical records. Nothing. Dude, you are sorely due for a Palin field dressing.

As far as you veterans, I thank you all who have fought for the freedom's I cherish. I wept this morning watching the war pron. I wept with the joy that we had kicked some righteous ass. I wept for the boys and girls, men and women, doing this work. I wept with the thought that my husband and my sons, everyone's husbands and sons and daughters, will be asked to continue defending our freedoms and our liberties when our dear leader opens his gd mouth without a teleprompter and gets us into some nasty ass shit. Fuck you and the horse you rode in on. I can easily separate the honor earned and respect given to the McCain who served us most admirably from the McCain who allowed his team and his direction to stray. This is apparenly a skill you have yet to acquire.

137 Yeeah, it's Jindal, I'm not as big a moron as you assume I am. I just happen to have some opinions you don't like, Blarg.

138 She can be an ordinary person all she wants, there is nothing wrong with that. I jsut don't think that's what should qualify her for office, that's all.

I don't think it should either, but people criticizing her are acting like she's still the mayor of some small town in Alaska.  She has a record beyond that and it's a hell of a lot better than the bulk of her peers.

139 "Don't blindly support someone because she has a pretty face and gave one good scripted speech at the convention."

Hell of a compliment there, Hank the Tank.

Disregard her accomplishments. Ignore her climb from the grassroots. No mention of her small business acumen. Executive experience was a mirage. Loyal campaigner to McCain imaginary. Noteworthy whirlwind stump speeches and TV debate, her firsts on the national scene, passed over. Money, crowds, excitement just a dream.

She is as close to Americana as we will ever see, full of grace, dignity, rugged individualism, and class. A normal family mom with exceptional skills and you backhandedly deride her with "pretty face" and "one good scripted speech."

Well done. Good to have you on the team. Good to see the GOP is in such good hands.

140

You're right, Hank.  We should be ashamed of defending a conservative against ridiculous smears from McCain staffers.

After all, she was just asking for it, right?

Again, I ask you, Mr. war hero guy, who takes the fall in a military unit when suboordinates screw up?  Who steps up and takes responsibility, even if he or she had no direct knowledge of the events in question until after they took place?

Answer the question, Concerned Poster.

141 At this point, I don't even care who actually leaked this crap. As far as I'm concerned, anyone from the campaign who doesn't come out and name names about who leaked is culpable. In other words, everyone on the campaign. None of these jokers should ever work on a Republican campaign again. Just coming out in her defense is not enough, in my opinion; it's too late for that Should have happened the next day. And I'm letting Fox know just exactly how unhappy I am that they reported unsubstatiated rumors as news and asking them why that sorry excuse for a television journalist, Carl Cameron, is still in their employ. We need a list of their advertisers. They might as well be MSNBC for crying out loud.

142 If Sarah palin was a democrat we would ridicule her to no end for her intervies she gave. THAT'S A FACT. You can't have it both ways, and expect the majority of the public to go along with it and vote for her.

And for "who takes the fall in the military unit when subs screw up..." There is an important distinction to made here. This was a political campaign , not a war. You don't run a political campaign like you run a war. It's different. You're trying to get votes, not destroy an enemy.

I just don't think McCain owes her as much as you people think he does. I think he would have stood a much better chance at the White House if he would have picked Mike Huckabee as his running mate. The Couric interview never would have happened. The snarky coments never would have come out. He could have had a competent, thoughtful, articlaute running mate who could have raised the level of debate instead of dragging it into the mud. And the ticket could have touted it's intellegence rather than it's "winkwink aw-shucksiness".

143 GWB ruined the "good ol' boy, gee, i don't read all that much, I'm just an average folk" image, and the country wasn't ready for a female version.

144 Try to keep this thing in context, Hank. Context.

I'd like a person, ordinary or extraordinary, to show party leadership by defending his teammates when attacked; to have the desire to win. 

Palin is unfortunately the party scapegoat.  It's laughable.  She can go on living her life as if this were all a bad dream.  It's the GOP establishment and McCain and other so-called party leaders that will ultimately suffer from this childish stupidity.

Better luck next time.  At least the GOP lost the race with class and grace.

145
Hank, I won't call you names or degrade your achievements (like you're doing with Palin).  I'll simply say you're wrong and leave it at that.

146 CLASS AND GRACE!? This mess what we're talking about, right here, right now, all the infighting, all the name-calling, all the leaks to the media about how not smart this woman is, this is CLASS AND GRACE?? I think you may want to consult your Websters on that one.

Can any one person on this web page tell me that when they saw the Couric interview, that they were proud of this ticket? That they didn't cringe everytime she talked herself in circle3s? I'm sorry, she lost me there. Katie Couric isn't exactly a bulldog interviewer. She lost a lot of credibility there that the majority of the public wasnt willing to give back to her.

147

And by saying "bad things" you actually mean telling the truth about McCain. 

Except it’s not the truth.  People are assuming McCain is behind this crap.  People on this site are claiming McCain was jealous of her success (total bullshit. Her grinned like a Chesire Cat at the reaction she got from crowds).  People are claiming he never really liked her.  (Again. Bullshit.  She says she loves the guy.  She apparently has talked to him many times since the election.)  Most laughably at all, people are claiming McCain is trying to destroy her so he can be the nominee in 2012.  GMAB.  He constantly hinted that he’d be a one term President.  Lastly, people are claiming he’s destroying her to save himself.  But that’s an idiotic strategy.  Everytime one of these Palin smears comes out McCain looks worse and worse.  If Sarah was really that dumb than that means McCain was an idiot to pick her in the first place.  That’s why I maintain this stuff isn’t coming from McCain or any of his loyal McCanianic staffers.  Instead I think it’s coming from someone that’s threatened by Sarah’s popularity – someone that’s afraid she’s got the 2012 nomination in the bag. 

Given how much this has blown up I’d like McCain to speak up and defend her too.  But I’m not going to assume he’s a rat bastard because he hasn’t so far.  Particularly since he’s defended her MULTIPLE  already during this campaign. Regardless, I think these staffers need to be exposed for the back-stabbing cretins they are.  Moreover, we need to start focusing on Obama/Reid/Pelosi and stop the inter-party fratricide. 

There’s no doubt, the Dems are laughing at us.  If I didn’t know any better I’d think this was an Alinskyite move from the left.

 

148 142 If Sarah palin was a democrat we would ridicule her to no end for her intervies she gave. THAT'S A FACT. You can't have it both ways, and expect the majority of the public to go along with it and vote for her.

Yeah, we probably would.  I would still think it unbecoming to pick her as your nominee and then not back her up more.  I'd still also say it is a bad move politically.  If you defend your underlings, you get more loyal underlings.  If you don't?  I think it's more likely to lead to what we have right now.

Of course, either way, you're tied to your pick, so any attack on her is an attack on you.  The McCain camp doesn't want to do more to counter the attack she's an adulterer?

Well, then they've just picked an adulterer as VP.

They don't want to do more to defend her against the attack she's a religious nut?

Well, then they've just picked a religious nut as VP.

Etc.  Whatever problems Palin herself caused, that exacerbated them. Heavily.  We took note when Al Gore wasn't willing to defend his former VP pick, Lieberman, years after the fact.  We're taking note of this.  I like the guy, but McCain should do more.

149 I don't see what's wrong with continued criticism of John McCain. It's been pretty constant for years. I would have voted for a *broom* given the Alinsky alternative, that's how deep my anti-Marxism is. And I wouldn't be hurt if you criticized the broom's intellect.

150 I simply defy ANYONE to say that they were proud of her after the couric interview. If you are, you're simply blindly loyal and not willing to look at this rationally.

You have to look at this from the perspective of the moderate voter. They are the ones, who don't have a hard-leaning party affilation, who simply vote fot the ticket they feel will best serve the country, they are the ones who elect the president. It's not the party base. And she lost so many people that night, she ruined it!

I still think McCain was the right man for the job - i DONT think she was.

151

People, let’s quit calling this shit “leaks”. It is not a fucking leak, it is fucking scurrilous lies told to the press.

 

In addition, if she were a Democrat we wouldn’t have to “defend” the interviews because they would have been edited to make her look good instead of the other way around.

 

And Tank, yes, you are full of shit.

152 Hank the Tank

You seem to be rather deluded regarding what happened on Nov 4th.

McCain lost the election! He scrooged the pooch and Sarah Palin had NOTHING to do with his loss. She helped him, but it wasn't enough.

If being a veteran is all that matters then vote for Charlie Rangel or John Kerry. As for the rest of us it takes more than that.

You don't get to blame the subordinates for the disaster.

Dan Quayle didn't sink Bush and Sarah Palin didn't sink McCain.

McCain lost because CONSERVATIVES  stayed home rather than vote for him. Not liberals, not moderates, but conservatives.

McCain owns it!

153 I simply defy ANYONE to say that they were proud of her after the couric interview. Yo, Axelturfer: you need to refocus your energy. Palin isn't your problem right now.

It's all those people who are expecting the Messiah to deliver on his promises.

154 I simply defy ANYONE to say that they were proud of her after the couric interview.

I am proud of her today, which is well after the Couric interview.

I'm not willing to throw her overboard for a bad interview with a liberal MSM hack, and I don't condone the backstabbing she's getting from the people in the campaign who, like her running mate, are now showing their true colors.

155 I guess "Hank in the Tank" is being held prisoner somewhere, oddly enough with internet access.


Get your head out of your ass, Hank.

156 That Palin is being attacked like this makes me sick. Anyone who doesn't realize that she is the ONLY reason McCain didn't get totally steamrolled is completely clueless.  I am very grateful that she was willing to make the sacrifice--and yes, it was a sacrifice--to try and help a ticket operating under such difficult circumstances. Those people who are trashing her are liars and traitors who deserve to be expelled from the party and to NEVER be allowed  near a Republican campaign again.

157 I agree with several of the morons above that the best way to handle this backbiting is for Governor Palin to start her own "movement" at the grass roots level. All the major talk shows were crying to get access to her during the campaign. Now is her time to begin the offensive for 2012. She has plenty of friendly sources she can use as bully pulpits to begin constructing her own power base. Fuck the RNC and fuck The RINO'S that live there

158 150 I simply defy ANYONE to say that they were proud of her after the couric interview. If you are, you're simply blindly loyal and not willing to look at this rationally.

Hank, I wasn't proud, but I also put more weight in how she's performed in office than an interview.

I still think McCain was the right man for the job - i DONT think she was.

That's cool - but if McCain wanted to win the election, it was a little late for him to come to that conclusion.  He didn't have her thrust upon him.  He didn't have merely a day to vet her.  He picked her.  People judged him by the soundness of this pick, so needed to defend that soundness to become President.  To leave her out on her own was to shoot himself in the foot.  To defend her, at that point, was to defend himself.

If people voted against Palin, they voted against him - so he owed to himself as much as anybody to make sure they didn't vote against Palin.

And just in general, I'm more hesitant to work for people who let their underlings fry, no matter how much their underlings have it coming.  There could be some connection to the loyalty shown to Palin and the loyalty received from these campaign aides.

159 I'm going to catch all kinds of heat for this, but Sarah palin embarrassed me. She made Bush look like Eistein sometimes, and not just the Couric interview. She redeemed herslef somewhat during the debates, I gave ehr that. But she just was not the right person at this time. It turned off most women, becuase her pick (understandably) looked like outright pandering to Hellary supporters.

The Palin pick tried to turn the election into a culture war. Values issues simply don't get traction in a bad economy. Don't SOME of you agree that perhaps picking an economy hawk would have produced a more attractive ticket? I know Huckabee isn't exactly a economy wonk but he could have tried to learn some of it. Hussein Obama wasn't an economy candidate either in th beggining, but he held a huge advantage on the issue by election day. How did that happen?

160 I simply defy ANYONE to say that they were proud of her after the couric interview.

I'm proud of her at anytime.  Now stfu and quit embarrassing yourself.

161 Hank: Where's my free gas, bitch?

162 Posted by: Hank the Tank at November 08, 2008 06:36 PM (nBQnu)

Hank, you've gone well past the point of defending McCain to turning this into a Palin b-tch fest.

Yeah, she did some stuff to screw up.  You've said that for the fifth time.  We get it.  But that doesn't change the fact this was heavily exacerbated by the campaign not countering the smears and defending her more.

163 Hank is an Axelturfer. Ignore him.

164 I was embarrassed by John McCain and his weak sister campaign.

Some people are suggesting he deliberately threw the election, thats how bad it was. I don't believe that, but it does highlight how incompetently McCain conducted himself.

165

Hank

I will not go so far as to say you are full of shit, but it struck me then and I still remain flabergastted that McCain consented to Gov. Palin's first media interviews being given to journalists that every first grader knows is hostile at best to conservative candidates. Her first interviews should have been granted to Laura, Sean, or Rush. Anyone with a brain would know that you don't send a rooky out on the mound to face the mighty Casey. McCains staffers fucked this up from the beginning and now they are trying to pass the blame for serving up this shit sandwich.

166 As a liberal, I can't wait for her to run in 2012. Can. Not. Wait. Posted by: Nick at November 07, 2008 04:22 PM (nBQnu)

I am in many ways dissapointed McCain didn't win, we could have had 4 years of Palinisms plastered on every website and newspaper in the world. by Nick at November 07, 2008 09:30 PM (nBQnu)

Hank the Tank is really Nick, who enjoys licking Obama's asshole clean in his spare time.

167 I don't know how this is a "b-tchfest" when I'm the only one doing the complaining. I'm not the only republican who thinks she was a mistake.

I'm as upset as anyone that BHO is the president-elect at this point. I'm frightened for what he will do to our country. But apparently she frightened most other people more. And I think she should be held accountable for it, not the McCain aides who talked some trash AFTER the election had already been lost. They didn't lose the election.

AD, you seem like a rational human being - don't you agree that not having ONE of the canddates on the ticket being able to speak competently about the economy hurt our chances? Do you not think that she should have stepped down when it became so obvious that the economy was the major issue of the day? we werent going to be able to win on a pretty face alone, Im sorry!

168 Stop lying asshole. You've been exposed.

169 nBQnu

Nick at November 07, 2008 09:30 PM (nBQnu)
Hank the Tank at November 08, 2008 06:36 PM (nBQnu)

Yeah same code.

Are the hash codes linked up to an IP address?

170 I'm not the only republican

Liar. Now, where's my free gas, bitch?

171
Hey Nick/Hank The Tank? How well does Axelrod pay? I heard it was $10/hour. That right?

172 CONGRATS 48 PERCENTER! Maybe some of you douchefucks aren't as outright retarded as I thought you were. It was fun though, I was just trying to have a rational conversation with a few irrational people, which was my first mistake.

I actually did feel bad last night after rubbing the electoral romp deep in your faces, I was being a dick when I did that. But I did want to try to re-insert myself into your conversation with a little more tact and maybe have some more impact. I suppose it was only a matter of time before someone who lives and breathes on this message board figured me out. You win!

You're the brand-new recipient of some sour grapes and a few beers to cry in. Enjoy!

173 Travis, Hank's paid in "licks".

174 Can't we all get along?

175 Nick: where's my free gas, bitch?

176 169 nBQnu

Nick at November 07, 2008 09:30 PM (nBQnu)
Hank the Tank at November 08, 2008 06:36 PM (nBQnu)

Yeah same code.

Are the hash codes linked up to an IP address?

Posted by: Travis at November 08, 2008 06:54 PM (uOj//)

Okay, that settles.

Dude, you're a liberal and you want us to hate Sarah Palin - gee I wonder why?

She's an idiot and yet she scares you enough to waste your Saturday doing this stuff - odd huh?

177 I really do like you guys.

178 I don't care if you like us or not, bitch.

I want my free gas.

179 Dude, i live in Minnesota. There ain't much more to do when it's snowing and raining at the same time.

180 Nick/Hanky boy ain't wasting his saturday. This is a workday for him.

He is being paid by the hour and this shit is going to go on for the next four years or more.

181 Is it so bad to have someone with an opposing viewpoint on here? Or do you all just follow the herd?

182 177 I really do like you guys.

Posted by: Nick at November 08, 2008 07:01 PM (nBQnu)

But you're scared of Sarah Palin - which is why I like her.

You're also, like most Democrats, incapable of arguing or debating your positions. Ya have to resort to lying about your motives or just name-calling - which is why we don't respect you guys.

183 Opposing viewpoints? Is that what you call lying and insults?

184 Is it so bad to have someone with an opposing viewpoint on here?

When they're incompetent liars?

Yeah, that's pretty bad.

Now, about that free gas, bitch...

185 Hank the Tank,

And now we know you're full of shit.

You don't even know that Palin of the McCain/Palin ticket was the hawk of the small government economic reform ticket, yet you would try to drop that turd of dishonesty to astroturf. You try further with the spaghetti on the 'fridge that Palin's selection was steeped in values voting (while disingenuosly suggesting that Huckabee - an even greater VV panderer - would have been a better choice) and even manage to refling Palin as still an empty-headed no-nothing "pretty face."

Just pick up your last check from Axelrod and go worship Uhbama.

186 If I had sour grapes I would go troll moonbat forums and lie and insult them.

187 I've never been paid a dime by Obama. In fact i gave my hard-earned money to him to beat McCain. I work in insurance and my wife goes to law school - I have NO LIFE WHATSOEVER...which none of you seem to have much of either, seeing as you've spent all this time arguing with me. Especially the guy who weeded me out - wow, dude. I give you credit for paying attention.

Come on, I can be your liberal mascot if you want. Shouldn't this forum be a little "fair and balanced"?

188 No wonder your life sucks: you work in insurance and your wife has to fuck her law professors to get bumped a grade.

189 Come on, I can be your liberal mascot if you want. Shouldn't this forum be a little "fair and balanced"?

Posted by: Nick at November 08, 2008 07:08 PM (nBQnu)

Nick, I respect liberals who will come on here and argue their positions from an intellectually honest standpoint.  (amazingly enough a couple exist)  You ain't one and you ain't gonna be.  For starters, you don't know much about what you're arguing about - this explains the Palin being "pro-choice" bit -  It wasn't a typo, you just didn't know it.

Second, like most dems, the intellectual backing for your arguments consist of ad hominems . . . and that's about it.

We occasionally ban people here.  I won't worry too much about your loss.

190 And for the record, yes, I was lying, but I was really, honestly just trying to have a spirited debate and I do think that McCain is a good man. He really dissapointed me pandering to the likes of you folks here, which was his downfall. He, like Palin, turned off just enough people to lose the election. I would have beenscared if he would have picked Huck - He's the closest thing to Regan I've ever seen.

I really had no agenda of "trying to get you to hate Palin" because "she scares me". Like I said last night, I more than welcome her as a Presidential candidate. It would be a laugh a minute.

Good thing guys like John McCain fought for my right to say this kind of thing...otherwise I'd be in deep shit right now.

191 Come on, I can be your liberal mascot if you want. Shouldn't this forum be a little "fair and balanced"?

Not with self-admitted liars.

192 Nick/Hank: Would you be so bold as to tell us which insurance company you represent?

193 otherwise I'd be in deep shit right now.

You ain't seen 'nuthin yet...

194 And being banned from this website, believe me, wouldn't be a tragic loss to me either. I tried to be an honest intellectual last night, and was ridiculed for it...you know, being a book-reader, paying attention to the issues, going to college, learning how to talk in complete sentences...

And please, yes, I did realize Sarah Palin is pro-life. She may has well have tattooed a picture of an aborted fetus on her forehead. It's pretty obvious.

195 Good thing guys like John McCain fought for my right to say this kind of thing...otherwise I'd be in deep shit right now.

Hey, dumb ass! No one has ever fought for your right to make an ass out of yourself on a privately owned blog. Your wife must be flunking out of law school. You would have thought she would have known at least that much and passed it on to you (with the STDs).

196 I really had no agenda of "trying to get you to hate Palin" because "she scares me". Like I said last night, I more than welcome her as a Presidential candidate. It would be a laugh a minute.

Right . . . words, actions - one of these speaks louder than the other.

190 And for the record, yes, I was lying, but I was really, honestly just trying to have a spirited debate and I do think that McCain is a good man.

When you got countered, you just resorted to repeating your points and name-calling. You also misspelled a lot, so we got to you, whether you want to admit it or not.

Ya can't debate, dude.

BTW, tell your wife if she's nice to me, I'll get her a staff attorney job.

197 Nick/Hank(nBQnu): "I've never been paid a dime by Obama. In fact i gave my hard-earned money to him to beat McCain. I work in insurance and my wife goes to law school..."

Why would anyone believe any of that? Your behavior patterns indicate either a) you possess a real fear of Palin and you're a paid shill to smear her, or b) you possess a real fear of Palin and you voluntarily smear her while fluffing Uhbama on the side pro bono.

There really aren't any other ways to interpret it.

198 I tried to be an honest intellectual last night, and was ridiculed for it...you know, being a book-reader, paying attention to the issues, going to college

Not knowing Palin was pro-life...

Yeah, I'm really impressed by your intellect.

199 I tried to be an honest intellectual ...

You were neither honest nor intellectual.

200

Nick, what is your position on human sacrifice?

201 I'll spare my company the spam, thanks. I'm glad I've given you all place to direct your anger, maybe you can lay off McCain for a minute and bash me. Call me an asshole-licker. That's thoughtful, honest, intelligent debate.

202 Call me an asshole-licker.

Asshole-licker: You started the insults last night, so don't whine when you get it back.

203 Dude, you don't know Palin's positions on the issues and you don't know basic aspects of the campaign.

You don't have much in the brains department Nick.

204 Human Sacrifice....LOVE IT DUDE...

Well, had fun once again, ladies. I suppose you guys will sniff me out once again if I try to do this in the future, so I guess I'll just have to be myself next time. See ya 'round!

205 "...maybe you can lay off McCain for a minute and bash me."

What, you've never heard of multitasking? I suggest you observe Palin for tips on that, too, Mr. Honest Intellectual.

206 Goddamn - never much one for bravery, was he?

207 Troll and astroturfer quality is still going down. I want my money back.

208 Nick: great job representing your party. I'll be thinking of you in November 2010.

209 I like pretending when I misspelled half my comments and resorted to typing in caps that I had fun too.

210

I tried to be an honest intellectual last night, and was ridiculed for it...you know, being a book-reader, paying attention to the issues, going to college, learning how to talk in complete sentences...

 

I'd keep working on that complete sentences stuff if I were you, if thats a typical sample of your sentence output.

211

I think pre-existing McCain Derangement Syndrome (derived from McCain-Feingold, Immigration Reform, McCain’s vengefulness after the ugly 2000 SC primary, etc.) is clouding a lot of people’s judgment.   I understand why many of you dislike him.  But I don’t buy the idea that he’s behind this crap or that he’s purposefully letting her hang. 

 

It's certainly an open question whether he's behind it or not, but it's a stone cold fact that he's keeping his mouth tightly shut while his peeps lie about Palin. And this from the man who was constantly leaping to Obamas defence.

 

212

And for the record, yes, I was lying, but I was really, honestly just trying to have a spirited debate and I do think that McCain is a good man.

 

How do I know you're not lying again?

"Honestly" my ass.

 

 

213 "Honestly" -- you really need to look that word up before you use it, fakeboi.

214 My comment was directed at the pretend vet Hank/Nick, by the way.

215

She should go on 60 minutes et al……..hahahahaha.Yes, that’s the ticket, go on the show that invented edited answer journalism lying. What she should do is get McCain to call for Fox to release the names.

 

So, run from the liberal mainstream media industry, AND…declare war on the one, nonliberal media outlet.

 

THAT will convince people you’re smart. 

 

Genius.  Where do I sign up?

 

216

She can end this crap by going on 60 Minutes, Larry King, the Sunday morning news shows.

Posted by: cj at November 08, 2008 03:31 PM (JQtNT)

Why would she take her story to the people who also spread lies about her and portrayed her falsely in the worse light?

Because she's not a pussy. Stop protecting her like a fragile egg.

217

Sarahcuda could whip the living shit out those deballed leakers. Go hunting with her and see who comes back field dressed. Go snow machining with the First Dude and see who ends up polar bear bait.

How about a debate or something grownup?

218 Because she's not a pussy. Stop protecting her like a fragile egg. Posted by: cj at November 08, 2008

Nor is she an idiot. The msm has proved time after time that they are out to get her. Stop being naive.

219

The msm has proved time after time that they are out to get her. Stop being naive.

Guess what? They've ALWAYS been out to get conservatives. You don't run. You don't hide. It may shock so folks to learn that the vast percentage of the electorate does not get the news solely from FOX (which, I guess, is now on our shit list too.)

We can have candidates with the stones to take on MSM, or we can keep trimming the number of acceptable outreach activities to Sarah Palin delivering scripted remarks to her family in her den.

220 No one's running. You're still naive.

221

One thing that's happened as a result of the anti-Palin lies is the return of the faux libertarians.  These are the same people who said during the '90's, "I represent the libertarian wing of the GOP, because I'm more open to abortion and gun control," gun control obviously being not something a real libertarian could support.  So now you have Frum out there saying that you know, if we hope to win again, we need to support climate change legislation.

Yeah, real smart.  Support higher heating bills so people will vote for us.  Note that the one period during the campaign in which McCain led was when he championed drilling for oil.

FWIW, from what I've seen of the real libertarians, such as at Reason, I'm not too thrilled with them either.  Yeah, they avoid endorsing things like cap-and-trade and gun control, but they still seem to be trying to brownnose the far left by seeming as hedonistic and anti-Christian as possible, and by cherry-picking issues on which Republicans are technically non-libertarian (like Guantanamo) but which don't affect freedom for average Americans.

Meanwhile, it's the "idiot Palin wing" of the GOP, as one of these losers referred to us, who steadfastly support gun rights, oppose eminent domain for private benefit, and support the right of Americans to obtain our own vast energy resources--all of which are far more popular among Americans as a whole than the empty hedonistic goals of these pigs.

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